DANGEROUS AND EVIL! Insane Response To TYT And Cenk's Response...

[@destiny]

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[@taltoskieron]

Okay you said you would stop making videos about destiny... obsessed much... lol

[@seacarter7448]

can we get the jonah hill vid back i didnt get to finish it thanks

[@taltoskieron]

@seacarter7448 ^^^ you know what to do august

[@DoNotBeSoNaive]

Talk that crap Destiny to a blk female by the name of Olay. She would throw you under the rug with your lame debates

[@Wackalacka]

Destiny is a white crybaby 😂😂😂

[@dannicatzer305]

Ana, "I was sexually assaulted in the street by a homeless guy" Vaush, "Ana's having a white woman moment" lmao

[@dannicatzer305]

@@donovan4222 Fascism? Do you mean her husband looking for the men to give them a deserved ass beating or calling the cops (although she didn't)..

[@namenloss730]

@@donovan4222 what's "doing a little fascism" ?

[@13wayz70]

​@@donovan4222stand clear everybody, im doing a fascism.

[@Jrce11]

@@donovan4222cracking down on homeless people squatting is fascist?

[@AsIf-pz9kt]

I live in Portland, and I want to take a bulldozer to the sidewalks right about now

[@nicklasveva]

"Xi Jinping is more popular than any president in US history." If your analysis of China doesn't include the fact that it's a one party state that doesn't allow criticism toward the governing party or basically any freedom of speech, you are simply not operating in reality.

[@RealFreedomMG]

They said in a debate with Charlie Kirk that China is a democracy with free and fair elections. They are legitimately a tankie

[@TonyCox1351]

Saddam Hussein had a 104% approval rating

[@nicklasveva]

@@RealFreedomMG by "tankie" do you mean "complete fucking moron"?

[@theprophet9428]

@@malcolmring242but a wide circle

[@michaelknight2897]

I know. Saddam Hussein got over 90% of the vote, as does every dictator/despot/etc. In fact, such numbers and popularity are a sign of an unhealthy system.

[@Notsogoodguitarguy]

Anna: Shares a story about almost getting graped and being afraid. Vaush: Just a Karen moment

[@zach8019]

Ofcourse Vaush would defend Rpe as he is a known predator.

[@Ajyia]

Sorry, but sympathy is only for people that Vaush agrees with.

[@3112-x9r]

Vaush's reaction is just like when jews call Europeans xenophobic/racist when noticing migrant sex crimes.

[@spurezurko]

By Vaushs logic white women can't be r**ed, just like black people cant be racist.

[@lighting7508]

@@Ajyiatbf to Vaush, Ana IS ontologically evil 😪

[@Michael-yg1qd]

"Polyamorous trans woman on tinder". She thinks she's on there talking with the salt of the earth lol.

[@Fm83473]

​@tylerbanns9515amen

[@legessi]

He*

[@we_are_so_back]

if you’re at the point where you think TYT is trAnSpHObiC, then you’re beyond saving

[@Kamfrenchie]

the purges of dissenters must continue, and when there's none left, purge some of the believers too !

[@allangraves942]

Just plain Insanity 😂

[@bigbillyboombutt]

They have to save themselves

[@imTEWcynical]

I’m hoping this creates a domino effect. I’m not a TYT fan or a leftist, but I find the treatment of TYT rather unpleasant. THEY’RE STILL LEFTISTS!!! It’s already unreasonable to demonize people simply for disagreeing with you, but it’s even more ridiculous when you’re doing it to someone you consider an ally. I hope this creates a domino effect and we can all just ignore the extremists on both sides and find a middle ground on America’s issues.

[@skuzzlebutt9745]

@@donovan4222why do you want to see dudes whoop woman so bad? I dont get it its not even entertaining. Like you really wanna see a dude identify as a woman and whoop woman in sports thats lame asf.

[@noheartx9992]

Vaush - Try not to be misogynistic challenge: Level Impossible

[@shadowthehedgehog181]

He's not misogynistic. He loves women... ...TRANSwomen

[@TurtleChad1]

Vaush is misogynist? I love him now!

[@m1cah]

That’s why we love him 🦅🦅🦅

[@ne0nmancer]

It's his only redeeming quality

[@mB-ke9bb]

Vaush is becoming the Alex Jones of the far left. Some far leftists love watching this stuff because he says what they’re thinking but are afraid to say. Even if it’s the polar opposite of a far left opinion.

[@luk6662]

Vaush thinks he's allowed to be sexist towards women if they disagree him

[@louie3216]

Not even remotely true, and I disagree with the guy

[@TurtleChad1]

I don't like Vaush but this I like about him

[@tilted_axis9819]

I don’t watch Vaush so tell me if I’m off base, but is calling a woman who disagrees with him a “pick me” his go to response?

[@GoChiefs1288]

@@tilted_axis9819Yes. You can find multiple examples of this

[@ne0nmancer]

@@tilted_axis9819 He's beyond that, he just calls them a bitch

[@RealFreedomMG]

The worst part is Ana and Cenk were so charitable towards Vaush since when they brought him on he was getting called a misogynist for his JK Rowling, Contrapoints and Kat Blaque drama. He was getting called a racist by leftists like Professor Flowers and her friends. They went out of their way to try and show that he wants the same goals as progressives and try to help him out and Vaush can't even be slightly charitable to Ana when he has said worse things about trans activists only a few years ago. Actual spineless cowards.

[@gnqknight]

I don't think anyone is due charity but it is a little weird how Vowsh does this everytime one of his allies is under attack.

[@RealFreedomMG]

@@gnqknight I disagree. TYT could have easily said they aren't associating with a known sexist, racist, transphobe like Vaush and they would have probably gotten a lot of praise for calling him out by the people mentioned and their followers as well as a bunch of leftists who hate Vaush. They actually decided to promote him on their channel and give him the benefit of the doubt, something Vaush only seems to do with people who will help his career. Until it's more profitable to throw them under the bus.

[@zalandarr]

Too funny it took these supposed tyt fans to break. That channel is mostly zero research emotional reporting always.

[@TheOldSchoolGamer93]

Idk I don't think people in this sphere should "owe favors" because someone is charitable to you because it muddies the conversation and becomes more political than honest. Vaush should be more charitable based on TYTs extensive pro trans track record

[@Cillranchello]

She's defending her anti-trans takes with arguments that she encountered while making pro-trans arguments. She had a chance for charity, she then promptly undid her pants, raised her leg up high, and pissed on it. I'm always amazed that loyalty is supposed to be more important than not telling someone they fucked up.

[@chunguschungus]

The framing of any criticism on your general side as "enlightened centrism" is one of the worst things to happen to politics, you're either entirely with or against. They treat their side's stances like religious dogma and it's all a fake team sports battle, the people doing this don't have real positions or beliefs just conformity.

[@bananian]

Tell me, what's the middle ground between a group who wants to take away trans rights, call trans groomers and the actual trans people who just want to live their life without being barred from normal human activities? Just treat them a little bit subhuman? I honestly have no clue.

[@rockefellerrepublican3336]

@@bananianyea if you don’t like being called a birthing person that makes you alt-right.

[@rockefellerrepublican3336]

@@donovan4222 the US government has started using birthing people but I’m sure they’re not important enough to count for you

[@dlaw515856]

Why can’t we accept that men and women are different? Just because people don’t want their young kids to be taught about trans issues doesn’t make them transphobic. It’s not as if there is a universal consensus that it’s good to start transitioning 10-12 year olds. How can a person that young make a decision that consequential. Some people on the far left claim they are the only ones who can be empathetic, and good faith “centrist” or republicans who have different opinions are evil.

[@cjohnson3836]

@@bananian Its neither. Only retards think you can distill the entirety of political belief onto one axis.

[@usafan1115]

It’s absolutely ridiculous how Ana is being treated as a right wing transphobic person just because she is progressing in her views. Thank you Destiny for being a reasonable voice in this situation.

[@saltking2715]

nah Destiny just likes to be contrarian, so every lefty getting dogpiled by the rest of the left automatically is correct and needs D's full support.

[@LabTech41]

It's not ridiculous at all, it's standard operating procedure on the far left: the moment you question the doctrine, you're automatically declared not only an enemy, but an apostate, which is the worst thing you can be to a leftist. Doesn't matter how many years you've worked to further the leftist agenda, the moment you say anything like "hey, are we SURE this thing we believe is a good idea?", BAM, you're somehow a conservative, a Bible thumper, a [insert random leftist pejorative for someone outside their echo chamber], etc. This is the problem that everyone outside the leftist bubble has been talking about for years: they're utterly intolerant of any idea that conflicts with their one, monolithic interpretation of reality, even though that monolith moves like a juggernaut, crushing anyone who runs afoul of it, while everyone else strains to keep the behemoth moving inexorably to the cliff that this death cult's aiming for.

[@alexthefae]

Shes regressing not progreasing. Shes more inglamitory more angry and victim blaming trans people

[@raffitorres1714]

One of the only reasonable and intelligent voices on the left.

[@shway1]

I stopped watching after the homeless assault clip around 19min. that was the last staw. this is not at all what she was being criticized for on homelessness. every few months I find some video of destiny arguing a point really well and them im reminded of all this disingenuous stuff.

[@blueblazer9991]

"Do your own research, because a lot of doctors don't really know" That is just a flawless quote to be used as ammunition

[@thomasbuchovecky171]

He simultaneously believes doctors are too ignorant to administer gender care and that they all agree with and affirm his medical claims. Actual Orwellian double think.

[@halfbloodprincess989]

Yup, they also literally compared themselves (taking hormones) to women suffering from PCOS. These people are braindead.

[@totalwater9431]

"I matched with a random person on tinder and the first thing they said was how transphobic TYT had been lately and then everybody on the bus clapped"

[@noot3427]

and its not a bubble because so many people swipe for a chance with a polyamorous trans woman.

[@beanybabyrabie]

@@noot3427especially a commie with that laugh

[@donalddude7568]

Joe Biden started crying, I know all this I was the bus

[@wisdomandy9361]

As a more right leaning person, I understand left leaning people to be okay under the guise of pushing for empathy. But I think we have an issue now where we've allowed younger people to live within this ideal of confusing empathetic consideration without the logic and reason for why it was a good idea in the first place.

[@anem0nia]

Good observation

[@theprophet9428]

Same reasoning for why anti-semitism was bein cried about a while ago. “If you don’t engage in these conversations then you won’t have a defense when you finally do participate.”

[@Dironomer]

100%

[@yourancientancestor]

You fucking said it Wise Andy

[@yourancientancestor]

You fucking said it Wise Andy

[@ihsahnakerfeldt9280]

That trans person was so infuriatingly dishonest with the way they represented the opposition's arguments. The fact that they think not getting to play in a certain sports division because of an inherent biological advantage over other members of the group means you're being treated like a second-class citizen on its own proves they do really live in a bubble.

[@01man01truck]

Calling this a right-wing grift is insane to me. And it kind of shows you the entitlement held by trans activist. They're basically saying that your position on trans issues is the defining factor for where you lie on the political spectrum. Agree with us or you are right winger.

[@technoloverish]

I mean, I think it certainly can be, at this point. There's no question that transgender people exist, and talking them out of it doesn't really work

[@themadmattster9647]

TYT were always a grift to a certain extent but I do think Ana is having an actual shift in her takes on things

[@01man01truck]

I'm convinced none of you know what grifting means.

[@rodiculous9464]

Being pro or anti trans more or less is the defining factor esp for conservatives.

[@FookU2b]

​@@rodiculous9464wtf are you talking bout? Or was that sarcasm?

[@wellread8649]

"I said, I have friends who are on the right, i have friends who are literally Joe Biden fans. And then he just started laughing at me." Im laughing so hard thinking about Cenk trying his best to be professional talking to one of his employees but not being able to hold it together.

[@Noisy_Cricket]

Yeah, this part was hilarious because Cenk has been around the block and back. Dude started out at the bottom of a local broadcaster in Florida and originally cut his chops on public access TV. He started TYT in a janky LA apartment where guests on the show thought it was a setup. He went from that to being a paid host on MSNBC and turned down millions because they wanted him to play nice with the Obama admin. The idea of a relative kid saying, "I have have friends that are Joe Biden fans" must've been hilarious as a retort to him. Dude founded Justice Democrats, and had a pretty big hand in getting AOC elected. This is just another bump in the road to him. Cenk has done plenty for the left, and started pretty low on the media totem pole.

[@Noisy_Cricket]

@@donovan4222 because it shows just how limited her conception of "the right" is. Joe Biden is on the left in the context of American politics. Even Cenk would begrudgingly admit that, even though he likes to say Biden is a righwinger fir effect. Literally most voting Americans voted Joe Biden. It's not hard or at all remarkable to find someone who votes for Biden. It just shows what a massive bubble she's in. And beyond that, it makes Cenk's point about 5% disagreement. If you can't stand to even be around colleagues that are providing you a massive speech platform to raise issues (even points of view the owner and 2nd most senior host disagree eith you on!), then are you really cut out to advocate for you community? Black people had to deal with 10x worse, and we are just now being brought into hosting major opinion news shows. I wish Bennie and the other trans activists had stayed at TYT, even though I disagree with them on the sports issue. Sometimes you have to endure for the greater good of your community.

[@synaesthesia4183]

​@@donovan4222you're delusional. Biden is nothing close to conservative

[@thatindiandude4602]

​@@donovan4222Joe Biden is nothing resembling a right wingers now. Probably you see it that way because you are a genocide enabler.

[@Aaron-kj8dv]

I hate when someone is complaining about a person I don't like and they make him sound cool

[@orcanimal]

It's almost as if just doing what Hassan always does and call people Transphobic and compare them to monsters because they disagree with you on some issues, however small, is incredibly stupid and destructive behavior... naaahh, that can't be it, right?

[@tilted_axis9819]

For Cenk’s nephew calls people he disagrees with Nazi not transphobic, but yea you right

[@TurtleChad1]

Getting called transphobic in 2023 is a badge of honor

[@PraisetheSun150]

Well Hasan does it because of the patriarchy and socialism, anyone else who does is full of hate lol

[@A_3000]

​@@PraisetheSun150also extreme stupidity

[@dyjaun94]

Tbf this time around. Hassan’s take on the Ana Kasparian thing was pretty solid and the same as Destiny’s (and someone else’s response who I can’t remember), but just with the “just bc I was on TYT doesn’t mean I have to speak on everything they do” and then when his chat sent him the bonus hole clip he was like “wtf” and went off on people taking things that aren’t even a thing, making them out like they are a problem (when it’s some super small, niche, random little tidbit no one knew about and isn’t really a true thing, is the problem, horrible, & hurtful to do to legitimate groups and movements. But ultimately, it was the same as Destiny’s take which was solid. He was very surprised and disappointed when he got hit with the bonus hole video, but was quite reasonable.

[@eddiec5036]

“I don’t live in an echo chamber, I have friends who are Joe Biden fans.” “I’m not racist, I have black friends.” Lmao

[@RealFreedomMG]

It's even worse it's like saying; "I'm not racist I have friends of all types of ethnicities, one of my friends is even 1/16th black"

[@NikkiTheViolist]

@@RealFreedomMG Yeah I agree, I wouldn't say it's "I have a black friend" but rather "I have a black-adjacent friend"

[@7Vooby]

​@@NikkiTheViolist"I have a friend who acts black"

[@anttibra]

"I'm not racist, I have black slaves."

[@hickspaced2963]

”Im not racist i have friends from italy.”

[@SHADOWCLOUDGAMING]

Imagine getting a masters degree, not actually learning anything during school, and then just using said degree as a weapon in debates online. 😂

[@nopenope5601]

Exactly why they don't even work in a field related to their degree.

[@Vosk21]

The height of privilege tbh

[@sticks7857]

What do you mean? They became a master at being a destabilizing activist that seeks to undermine the country they live in. It may not be a useful education in the grand scheme of things but they definitely learned how to do something.

[@SHADOWCLOUDGAMING]

@@donovan4222 😂😂😂 Is that what you think is happening here?

[@SHADOWCLOUDGAMING]

@@donovan4222 Even if they're lying and spreading misinformation that may be a negative destabilizing force and lead society to a worse outcome?

[@perfectiondreamusa]

a friend of mine recently had to go to the hospital because her period cramps were so bad. “you can work out while on your period” is the most insane take ever

[@matthewedwards8576]

It varies person to person. I knew a girl who basically didn’t get period pain at all and then there are people like you’ve just mentioned.

[@perfectiondreamusa]

@@donovan4222 so true, women don’t have crippling period cramps, you have defeated all women 👏

[@demetter7936]

My girlfriend and her friends work out while on their period, she might take the first day off if there's a huge amount of discomfort but using her own words "you're just a unmotivated bitch if you stop working out throughout your period". There's obviously outliers who can't physically function on their period but that's the extreme, if you can go to work you can also workout.

[@ana01678]

@@demetter7936ow your friend sound like a lovely and understanding person. Women can't be calling out of work for a week every month, so many women tolerate the excruciating pain and minimize it with pain medication and hot tea. But if you decided that working out is too much for you then you shouldn't feel ashamed for not doing it wtf. Ur one friend doesn't change that, women don't all experience period pain the same anyways. Also what's the point of ur comment. What does it matter to u if women work out on their periods or not?

[@ana01678]

@@swarmpope9608 while I agree it is isn't “crippling”, women still are affected by it lol. Also, Since men think they know more, here's an article: WORK IT OUT Most women won’t exercise while on their period - thinking it’s ‘unsafe’ or it hurts too much. You can do research yourself if that's not sufficient. But there are more reasons other than cramps that are why women choose not to work out like leakage or nausea or other pms symptoms. Also here are some articles on period pain: Period pain: why do so many women suffer from menstrual cramps in silence? Prevalence of menstrual pain in young women: what is dysmenorrhea? Just because every women doesn't experience severe period pain, doesn't mean it doesn't effect their women’s daily activities. There are still a significant amount of women that do while you make it seem like a decimal. If a woman chooses to work out good for her, if a woman chooses not to then good for her. But don't get upset when you see some left over blood on the seat from forcing ur gf to go to the gym when she says no.

[@justaname109]

I personally think Anna had a massive reality train hit her and she’s dealing with it in the open. I give her a lot of credit for that. Being able to be critical of very public past ideas and aggressively advocating of those ideas or recognizing something has gone too far…I dunno, if we just had more of this type of self reflection, honest look at reality, and most importantly, a desire to just be honest, I think we would all greatly benefit from that.

[@Earthad23]

You can’t ignore first person experience.

[@michaelknight2897]

I agree. The Progressive left is an identity based religion. It is dogmatic, more so than any other religion operating in America. Once reality hits and that dogma is questioned, you start getting red-pilled. This is why Progressivism MUST isolate its members.

[@jjrilla___2664]

I feel like this is exactly what destiny was talking about. The left need to stop dying on stupid hills and start calling out stupid shit from there own side. But you see as soon as you break away from the party line and don’t support absolutely everything you are suddenly evil and get called all the ic’s and ist’s and accused of all the ism’s

[@michaelknight2897]

@@donovan4222 I understand your comment. There is no context and so its confusing.

[@justaname109]

@@donovan4222 No. She obviously believes a different reality, thus the fresh incoming reality train. She’s getting smacked with whole new realities that she once vehemently disagreed with. This has nothing to do with my reality

[@zoruxma]

Vaush will never not be meme material 🤣

[@nicememes7570]

Definitely a lol cow

[@xokirei]

just makes her a bitch lmfao

[@markzuckergecko621]

The bigger meme is the fact that people unironically watch him and consider him a serious political commentator.

[@campbell682]

@@markzuckergecko621every 6 months or so I’ll tune into a livestream just to see what his chat is up to. It’s always as bad as I remembered.

[@LunarLocust]

Milhouse is not a meme, but vowsh is.

[@thesilverstalion1]

I dated a girl with PCOS for two years and the advantages and tradeoffs were pretty much as Destiny described. She would weight train with me at the gym and for the months that she would consistently train she would have really great results but inevitably she would run into an extremely bad episode of bleeding and cyst related pain that would knock her out physically and mentally for months and almost start from square one when she came back. She started distance running and as far as I know she is pretty average at that as well.

[@jakestroll6518]

It’s a medical condition for a reason. If it didn’t come with harmful symptoms, it wouldn’t be a syndrome. It would just be a statistical occurrence like how some people are red heads. These dudes need to have a long chat with a gynaecologist coz seems the trans affirming doctors are a huge grift at this point.

[@himmy2531]

Why would you date someone with PCOS

[@SalivatingSteve]

@@himmy2531I’m surprised she was able to do distance running, good for her. Most women I know with PCOS are overweight/obese, which makes their PCOS worse, yet refuse to do even light/moderate exercise like a brisk walk or eat healthier to lose weight - that’s how my ex was. I wouldn’t want to date a woman with uncontrolled PCOS or endometriosis.

[@pommiebears]

@@SalivatingSteve Not all women who have PCOS are overweight. My sister, myself, and my mother, we all have it, and we’re of normal weight. Maybe we got lucky.

[@lobohombreriera]

I kinda feel bad for Cenk because in truth he seems to have a history of platforming people who end up stabbing him in the back. First Dave Rubin, then Jimmy Dore and now this person.

[@kijanajenkins2546]

Cenk has a lot of fate in people from both sides (that's why he debates anyone no matter what they believe). But people on both sides always stab him in the back once they start getting paid more money from someone else.

[@Darthdoodoo]

Are u serious! He wasn't betrayed they realized that he was a lying piece of shit and decided not to work with a scumbag anymore. Hes one of the worst people ever when it comes to misinformation and disinformation. They just woke up and found out that they were wrong about things

[@1080lights]

That’s because he’s a moron who only hires people based on their propensity to hate “the establishment” and no actual other qualifications.

[@zunuf]

"I can't be in a bubble, I'm polyamorous." As someone who was poly for a couple years, poly people aren't in a bubble. They're on a different planet.

[@ON-ry8iw]

Are you monogamous now? If so, how'd you transition from being poly to being monogamous

[@zunuf]

@@ON-ry8iw I was 21. Wanted to be poly for a while. Met a poly girl online and started dating her. Wasn't super successful with dating other people. If they were poly they tended to be a little wacky, to put it nicely. If they weren't poly they usually didn't want to go on a second date after I told them I was. Or women liked the idea of what if they had two boyfriends, and I was one, but we didn't have sex. Maybe they wanted free dinners and someone to talk to. Maybe I was bad at sex. Probably both. I started feeling like maybe I just wanted to be monogamous with the poly girl I was dating. She did even less dating then me, but she felt like being poly was a fundamental part of her like being gay, and so she wouldn't consider it. She also wasn't perfectly respectful of me asking her to use a condom with other people. She also started saying she identified as non-binary. I said I think I just want to date a singular woman and we broke up. Then I met a nice woman on tinder and we've been together exclusively for 7 years. Being poly seems to require having lots of free time and money and ability to deal with drama. I think I'm on the autism spectrum, and I think that it can attract people like that. They like rules and logic. Like why can't you be in love with two people? If we discuss it it's fine. Dating those people can be awkward, but still good. Where it's bad is the other people it attracts. The tumblr types. They're the complete opposite, and they like rules just so there's MORE to start drama about. MORE people to get emotional with. You have to walk on eggshells about boring topics, but then they expect everything to go smooth with a bunch of people with extreme fetishes. I'm not the first one to say "it's never who you want to be poly that's poly." But even if that weren't true, I don't think I want to deal with all the extra thought of scheduling and communication and sex safety. Also, open relationships and swinging I see as slightly easier, because you aren't purposefully trying to be in love with multiple people and hope they all love each other. It's more explicitly about sex. Which still has risks, including love, but you might be able to find slightly more normal people. Maybe as it grows in popularity things will change this was like OKCupid days 8 or 9 years ago.

[@jorgepacheco9845]

Thanks for making this Destiny. The transphobic claims and backlash against Ana have been way over blown.

[@Kappatalism]

@@brya9681she hasnt left the left… disagreeing on minute social issues issues like self ID and trans sports doesnt mean you left the left. This is why Destiny has a problem with “leftists” purity testing ppl on every single issue.

[@dragonkilla-ch5pg]

​@@brya9681can you explain what stances of Ana's are out of bounds and transphobic? Like why do you believe she is against trans rights?

[@DD-st5rh]

Proof that the left is a cult and the majority of the time when the left calls somebody far-right, racist, or transphobic, they are full of shit.

[@DontEatSmurfs]

​@@brya9681no he didnt said that, he is actually talking to her soon thanks to brianna

[@gjgr7772]

@@brya9681how has she lost her mind

[@firerocket7343]

Honestly Cenk put himself in this situation himself. He didn't fight with his audience enough like Destiny did during his leftist arc.

[@jascu4251]

Probably true to an extent, though weirdly enough I think this might kind of end up benefitting the show if they can shed some of these types

[@PixelPenguin77]

many such cases

[@DSPHistoricalSociety]

True.

[@muaddib989]

When did they ever run into these repeated issues with Twitter leftists? These people started fooking with them because they voiced an opinion.

[@MichelangeloBeats]

From watching cenks response I don’t think he stressing this situation lmao

[@zcylas]

I don't think Vaush is so pissed at Ana because of the things she said. I think he's pissed cause she doesn''t wanna talk to him xD

[@Reel___]

I dont get why she wouldn't though, she hides from leftists.

[@alsalcal]

"Are people really going to vote republican over trans issues?" Yes. I personally know many of them. I will not bc of abortion, but last year was the first election in my entire life i didnt vote democrat (i wrote in), and i will do that until dems get it together and stop effing around with womens rights.

[@vladimirputin110]

Lol good luck!

[@Loomenky]

They don’t understand how much their “activism” turns people off. My parents are both life long democrats and they both plan on voting republican this coming election. Mind you they’re in an interracial marriage, they have two gay daughters (myself and my half sister) are pro-choice and pro marriage equality. Hell, my father even has marxist aligned ideals. Like you, I won’t vote republican because of Roe v. Wade but I’m growing tired of the democrats pushing for the complete erasure of female only spaces. Especially as a lesbian. I don’t hate men, some of my best friends are men, but I don’t want them in lesbian spaces just because they “identify” a certain way.

[@vladimirputin110]

@@Loomenky hahahaha. Nice fan-fiction. Truly touching 😅

[@alsalcal]

@@vladimirputin110 look at cnn's tweet about megan rapinoe from yesterday. When i looked it had 700k views and 800 likes 😅😅 The days of TQAnon forcing their nonsense on everyone else are numbered. Sorry 🤷‍♀️

[@alsalcal]

@@Loomenky yep...most of the people i know who are vocally over it are left leaning (and specifically many from the lgb community). I went door to door for bernie. Im still very progressive. Removing womens rights, trying to force lesbians to like men, compelling everyones speech, etc etc are NOT progressive. (Also...just bc you wont vote republican doesnt mean you have to vote democrat🙃)

[@CordaroBlu]

Referring to all trans people as trans-activists is exactly what they didn't do. It was the trans host who was doing that. That is exactly why it's so difficult to have these discussions because when someone tries to argue points against what activists are doing, the activists pretend that they're attacking the whole group.

[@Earthad23]

When you can’t even question the validity of the claims or you get thrown out of the group, people will just run to the other side who doesn’t force everyone to think the same ideas. This isn’t politics, this is tribal hatred for the “opposition”

[@Dark10024]

What you said describes 101. I genuienly believe if people like them had an ounce of power they would abuse it so much. Oh wait... some of these lunatics are already starting to run our institutions.

[@tcorryne100614]

Aka politics 😂

[@gary7181]

CENK is to blame for hiring a cross dresser in the first place. Cenk was trying to virtue signal by hiring. And now he's paying the price as the left eats the left.

[@ottz2506]

Basically you could have a long and documented history of leftist activism, advocating for leftist politicians, and a history of pro LGBT activism but one disagreement will suddenly label you a homophobic and transphobic right winger. People need to be reminded that disagreement doesn’t mean that you don’t see them as human or that you don’t think that they should have rights.

[@komlat253]

How the hell did people take Ana's personal story about getting attacked by a homeless person out of context? Ana is the victim here yet they turned that shit around on her. Yea maybe ana feels alginated and politically homeless cuz as soon as she decided to be honest about her experience, the whole onlone left shat on her . Leke if i was there ,id be so betrayed and heart broken . She has been doing this for years and now one or 2 takes that seem different or personal now she must but crucified

[@talkingtakotaco8611]

It's the main problem with issues on the left. The most vocal people don't try to understand or fight difficult points. They are just happy to cut off others that have any dissent and just wash their hands of it all. It's easier to just call someone transphobic than to actually address anyone's issues.

[@danielpohl29]

This is why people hate leftist. Its truly a cult!! If you step outside whatever box there is at that certain time, they cancel you!! The snake will eventually eat its own tail

[@rockefellerrepublican3336]

Her story is really hard for me I was right wing & have been moving left but it feels like if I don’t support 100% of the progressive agenda I’ll be ostracized.

[@komlat253]

@@rockefellerrepublican3336 I definitely understand the fear actually. I empathize with it .people just have this idea that the other side is evil but it's rarely like this. I've always been left leaning in a conservative environment so I understand some times it's not always out of pure anger .we are very much so a product of the environment, and people want to feel save in the community they learn to trust because there's acceptance. Altho I'd say to u that u shouldn't let it turn u completely away because the majority anywhere is loud and dumb . But for I understand ana s unique pain that none of us can relate to . Imagine the level of betrayal she must feel after being cast away like useless crap after literally being a advocate on the front lines for many years. That would actually probably make me depressed and give up. That's a level of heart break I can't imagine. So much work just for this ? Most people simply don't have grace or the intellectual intelligence to carry complex conversations without a huge falling out . Like I can't imagine calling someone a racist against black people just cuz they don't agree with affective action or reparation. I'm not that soft as a black person. Disagreement is fine it just depends on how u disagree.. But I'm a far lefty but I don't play them dumb games making me look silly. I immediately disown it and keep going. That's all u can do. We are supposed to be the side of 2nd chances and acceptance and freedom and science. Let those be your values ,not this dumb left right BS game . Personally I think Ana is great and I hope she continues what she doing. Personally disappointed in the trans girl ( forget her name ) for doing all this and even more disappointed on half of leftist YT turning on ANA .

[@beanybabyrabie]

Standard leftist behavior

[@jonesdaevilone]

Hearing a trans person say there is no evidense of trans people having advantages in sports whilst having broader shoulders than female body builders is a laugh

[@albertosillywhips7281]

how about that jawline?

[@henryhenrison7122]

"Doctors don't understand, i DO cuz I'm a Tran e ReEeEeEeEe "

[@counselorguy5481]

Even if there's no advantage. Female sports are for females. Males sports are for males. It's such a moronic issue.

[@jakestroll6518]

​@@counselorguy5481Don’t bother. They’ve slowly been eroding the meaning of the words female and male too. That’s the real reason why they’re so mad at Ana. Because they’re trying to replace the term “female” in medical care with more essentialist words like “chest feeders” or “menstruators”.

[@jakestroll6518]

They believe that taking hormones makes them female. I kid not.

[@Winasaurus]

"Yeah, of course the hormones are permanent, that's kinda the point" "They're worried about if cis kids take take hormones because they think they're trans. Which, I mean, they can just stop taking hormones" Literally seconds apart from each other. I feel like this happens because they don't have ground to stand on so they have to argue both sides of the argument and sometimes end up forgetting that those sides don't actually mesh at all. So they'll argue hormones are permanent because that's the point and would discourage temporary use to cheat sports, but also that that hormones aren't permanent so you don't need to worry about kids misidentifying themselves. Or how trans people are a new thing and so require all these special rights and medications from nowhere that other groups don't, but also trans people have been around forever and ever. Or that drag shows and pride aren't actually sexual and aren't fundamentally related to trans people at all, but also you're transphobic if you don't like them. Or how trans people are apparently under an active genocide, but also bragging about how republicans can't win against them and that the govt/corps all agree with them.

[@theimmortal4718]

He's pretending that if a boy who's been on estrogen for years of their adolescence will magically have a male puberty years later if they go off the hormones. That micro penis is for life.

[@thecoolannishatk.]

Holy shit you hit the nail on the head. These guys can’t forever argue that there’s a trans genocide on the way 1941-style and then simultaneously argue that the GOP is losing elections because they keep talking about trans stuff. No wonder Vaush refuses to hedge on a bet with Destiny

[@Stratocaster42]

I cant take it anymore. I feel like Im losing it. I used to be one of those lefties like Vaush and Hasan who towed the line and always believed everything every minority said always, but I escaped it and now seeing it from the outside makes me so frustrated. Im glad we have you, Destiny.

[@beophobic9653]

You ever take a dump and it stunk?

[@BRLambert4]

You don't have to support everything that every minority says. I consider myself extremely progressive and I don't agree with every person just because they are a member of a marginalized group. To be progressive means that regardless of anything else all humans deserve the same rights. If any members of a particular marginalized group have been able to frustrate you to the point that you no longer believe that, then maybe you only "towed the line" bc You were scared not to.

[@bananian]

Why do you have to side with anyone? Just use critical thinking instead of mindlessly join the destiny centrism just because you don't agree with vaush

[@Stratocaster42]

@@BRLambert4 Nah I still am super progressive and left, don't worry. I feel like in the same boat as TYT - what Cenk said resonated strongly with me. It feels like these morons have hijacked the left for moral clout and that's why I'm feeling frustrated. It's hard to articulate in a short YouTuhe comment

[@TheNeomaster15]

​@@BRLambert4 "all humans deserve the same rights" Except of course straight, white, asian, heteronormative, christian/catholic people right? Gotta keep these types out of university and work because equity right?

[@mikecurry6847]

It's wild to me that they don't think it's even possible that they're the one with blinders on. Like imagine actually thinking that you have so many different types of friends that your opinion is unassailable as a result of that fact alone

[@TheFatalcrest]

I also want to see their Conserative /Republican friends, I want to see just what they talk about.

[@jackeagleeye3453]

Obviously a lot of conservative commentators "ask questions" in bad faith in regards to trans people, but there's a lot of people that legit just don't understand the many complexities of gender dysphoria and it's awkward when people get triggered if anyone has any question ever, or even if they have healthy skepticism.

[@CptVein]

Got any examples of that happening?

[@TonyCox1351]

@@CptVeinever heard of Ana Kasparian

[@CptVein]

@@TonyCox1351 She didn't ask any questions. And if she did, care to share to ''questions'' here?

[@jackeagleeye3453]

@@CptVein Ana Kasparian

[@Chriscraft50]

​@@CptVeinare trans people born that way or does society have anything to do with it? Is gender fluid also trans? What difference does transitioning with or without puberty blockers have on athletes? These would be valid questions, however some activists believe the science is settled when it's not.

[@briano9397]

Glad Ana is getting some support for coming out as somewhat sane 😅

[@No_OneV]

What a time to be alive where common sense is celebrated.

[@briano9397]

@@donovan4222 would depend on the issue and what each of them say on said issue🤷 I don't usually like to clump people together as a group and hate them as a group; like you seem to be attempting to do

[@EyeOfTheTiger777]

She's panicking about "birthing person", not exactly sane behavior

[@briano9397]

@@EyeOfTheTiger777 she doesn't like a term of phrase, who cares?

[@briano9397]

@@donovan4222 this is the dumbest thing I've read all day. Take care big guy 😂

[@Tachyon836]

I remember that debate Destiny had, which is ironically why he got banned on Twitch, but yeah that take was what made me rethink if Trans women should play in womens sports and I am a trans woman. Periods matter A LOT. I have a cisgender gf and her flows are HEAVY and when she has them it is debilitating for her. All I can do is help her by bringing her anything she needs, and sometimes if her cramps are bad enough, I have to carry her or help her walk. Ive been on HRT for years now btw, neither of us are athletes nor work out, and yeah, I'm waaaay stronger still. I really don't care what the studies say, but genuinely, it doesn't seem fair. And btw Destiny/Cenk is right, if our goal is actual change and not just sounding nice, we need to pick and choose our battles. Its like the drag queen thing, why tf die on this hill? Trans women in sports? Why die on that hill? HRT for minors? Why die on that hill? Genuinely, being trans watching this play out politically is like consistently watching caricatures of you poison your public image. Its like those old super hero cartoons where an evil doppelganger is framing them of crimes and the hero has to catch them before the rest of the world comes down on them. Thats what this feels like rn.

[@saltking2715]

just doesnt stop there, thats why you die on that hill

[@Tachyon836]

@@saltking2715 what doesn't stop?

[@jujutrini8412]

I agree with you.

[@tinygrove7623]

lmao, i feel bad for you genuinely and wish you well, but your analogy with the evil doppelgänger framing the hero for crimes and then the hero has to go around re convincing everyone they are actually good is just to good.😂

[@WickedIndigo]

16:55 when destiny says “how can you grant so much leeway for one side and so little empathy for the other” is so spot on. Why is it wrong for Ana to not want to be called a “birthing person”? It’s the same as a trans person wanting to just be called a “man” or a “woman” instead of a “trans man” or a “trans woman”. I really don’t think any of these people actually care about any of these communities that they claim to be allies for. They just want to look good to other people and feel better about themselves because their life is lacking in some way. (I know, SUPER hot take that has never been said before haha) but it’s so fucking true.

[@jacobunruh9045]

No one called Ana a birthing person. That's why people were confused

[@WickedIndigo]

@@donovan4222 she doesn’t have to be called it directly for her to think it’s degrading. I understand the leftist criticisms that nobody is calling her a “birthing person” directly and all the other things. But the outrage over what she said is ridiculous, saying that she’s transphobic and becoming a right winger all because of this is ridiculous. Those are the people I have issue with. The people who are coming at this with genuine criticism are fine, there’s criticism to be said about her. I heavily disagree that she’s spreading moral panic and right wing hysteria. She was speaking out about how she doesn’t want to be referred to as a “birthing person” in the future, I don’t see how you get right wing hysteria from that. Maybe I’m missing a key piece of information, that’s definitely possible. But people are acting like she said “all trans people are delusional” like actual hysterical right wingers will say.

[@WickedIndigo]

@@jacobunruh9045 she just said she didn’t want anybody to refer to her as that, she doesn’t have to be directly called “birthing person” to proactively say that she doesn’t want that label. And I don’t see the term “birthing persons” as being THAT important to the broader concept of trans issues in America. If anything that term is the least of their problems so I don’t see why people are spending time attacking her when there are actual transphobes out there that need talking to. But again I could be missing a huge piece of the puzzle, idk.

[@jacobunruh9045]

@WickedIndigo The issue is that she was pretending that there was a huge movement of trans activists who were trying to replace the word women and call her a birthing person, and when left wing people initially said basically the same thing you did, she got super defensive. She was the one who made a gigantic deal out of a non issue and then when people questioned why she was making this one non issue a huge thing, she would intentionally misrepresent their arguments and get really upset

[@jacobunruh9045]

The issue with Ana isn't that she's necessarily even saying anything incorrect on this issue, it's what she's choosing to focus on. When you spend so much time attacking the left over a non issue and then getting really upset when people say it's a non issue, obviously it's going to be fair to question your intentions and why your focus is there.

[@maskatron9788]

And Vaush doesn't understand why Ana won't talk to him anymore. I wonder ever so much why she would feel that way!

[@lincabe321]

Thank god I unsubscribed Vaush

[@dpadchad2362]

All of their ideology reeks of the simplistic stench of a worldview stitched together by people who got Cs & Ds in their 101 classes and dropped out before the second semester. That's why they make 2hrs + videos to say something a competent person could say in 10 minutes. The usual narcissism and circular definitions to evade all criticism that goes along with it has been incredibly predictable and boring for years now.

[@olemanyounger5040]

Listening to other people talk about trans people makes me feel overwhelming empathy and understanding for trans people. Listening to trans people talk about trans people makes me feel overwhelming transphobia.

[@talkytabby2878]

Sounds like a you problem

[@cheatyhotbeef2636]

@@donovan4222 then I'm only talking about online trans people

[@beanybabyrabie]

Don’t forget about literal men talking about taking women’s opportunities and roles and identifiers and feeling entitled to reclassifying us and making us uncomfortable and unsafe. Literal grown men.

[@ivahmectin]

just dont watch the clocky leftie ones

[@olemanyounger5040]

A Bernie bro, trans activist, communist tankie, who supports the Russian genocide of the Ukrainian people, telling others to touch grass is hilarious. That's not grass your touching xer, that's astro turf.

[@alonzoacosta6045]

Imagine trying to help trans people and giving them advice, only to have them call you transphobic for it 😂

[@mattiOTX]

Try being transgender and disagreeing that anyone can be trans because they want the label and then having to deal with weeks of messages to kill yourself.

[@susanthejew6351]

gender DYSPHORIA

[@jacksyoutubechannel4045]

_"[Cenk]'s like, 'Oh, this trans woman won a competition where she broke a record bench pressing 275 pounds, and clearly that's unfair because I, a cisgender man, can easily bench press 275 pounds. Therefore, there must be an advantage.' And it's like, okay, Cenk's argument is not even a real argument." "She literally broke a record [...]; she clearly wasn't having, like, an incredibly easy time."_ This person much have some sort of degenerative brain disease. The trans woman broke a record, sure, but the point is that they did it merely by bench pressing an amount which even a non-athlete male, like Cenk, can bench press. _That's_ what's unfair -- that a biological man can set the women's record by achieving something that would be mediocre at _best_ in a men's competition and will never be achievable by a biological woman. It's not that hard to suss out the argument, even if it's not one with which you'd agree.

[@cjohnson3836]

Honestly, this is something every side of this gets wrong and its annoying. Whether a record is broken or not is a stupid argument, from either side. If you want to know if there's a performance advantage for (post-puberty) trans-women, then you have to compare their own performance ranking pre and post transition. If their athletic rankings improve, especially if their performance measure decreases (so like, they were ranked 937 nationally pre, 28th post, but their swim time increased), then that is an irrefutable sign of an advantage.

[@thrash208]

​@@cjohnson3836Yeah it kinda frustrates me also their age should be called into question. Leah Thomas was a low ranking (nationally) male swimmer who became top rank female swimmer There was that trans female weightlifer as well who was low ranking as a male then made it to the olympics. Everybody pointed out that she lost but she was also in her 40s the oldest competitor in the category and had major injuries like a year earlier. Prior to her injuries she won a bunch of national and international events in her late 30s and early 40s wile the runner up was like 21 and 24

[@ihsahnakerfeldt9280]

It's what happens when you're so deep into an ideological bubble. All you do is muddy the waters and act stupid even when your opponent's point is very clear. Vaush does this all the time.

[@cjohnson3836]

@@thrash208 Age isn't clear cut until around 35 as different people hit power and endurance peaks differently, and endurance generally peaks later than strength. But regardless, its nothing more than another predictor in a model you can control for. Nothing that is beyond address.

[@JuliePascal]

​@cjohnson3836 the way to prove if transwomen have an advantage in athletics is to compare the percent of total trans women competing to the number of trans women at every level of competition. What is the distribution?

[@axson8]

I feel so bad for Adam and Sitch. They've just been castigated as this "right wing podcast" from this whole debacle and they are anything but.

[@famalam943]

I mean they do have a lot of right wingers on, Adam tends to lean more centre right and Sitch more centre left, they themselves are pretty moderate & have views spanning the spectrum, but when it comes to their content & audience do tend to lean right.

[@ne0nmancer]

@@famalam943 That would also make Destiny right-wing, it doesn't make sense to try to frame someone as right or left wing just because they've been on something or hosted someone

[@wilsonsanabia4259]

​@@famalam943who are they going to bring from the left? I'd obviously want destiny going every show but that's not feasible, and with this steriotype noone on the left wants to go to a "right wing pd"

[@mattgeddes8513]

@@famalam943 that's because most left wingers don't go on shows that will disagree with them anymore

[@DD-st5rh]

Because they left is a cult. They don't tolerate anything less than total submission.

[@natcliffe7166]

"Im not in a bubble" >proceeds to say to most sheltered shit on earth

[@Condeycon]

"I have a very diverse set of viewpoints around me. Everyone in my polycule agrees!" That made me laugh. When you don't know how in a bubble you are and are desperate to prove you're not.

[@AnorexicPandas]

I’d never imagine in a million years that I’d say this but Cenk and especially Ana have earned some respect from me. I thought they were unhinged echo chamber pundits but it looks like both of them have been thoughtful and principled recently. Real dialogue of disagreements and rejection of purity testing is actually making for some compelling content.

[@ataraxia7439]

I think part of is they got into politics commentary before social media as it exist today was really a thing and have lives and relationships outside of it. By no means are they free from bias and I still don’t like how they choose to cover or talk about most things but there’s a noticeable difference where you can see online leftism is not the defining feature of how they take in all information.

[@saltking2715]

they just switched echo chambers then?

[@AnorexicPandas]

@@saltking2715 no, they’re being thoughtful and engaging with ideas beyond their echo chambers

[@UnlimitedBladeWork]

that was the ultimate trans activist personification lmao, reddit level quips "WHO KNEW" "A LITTLE SOMETHING CALLED X" "LITERALLYYYYYYY", with the fake exagerated crying, degree namedropping, "THE SCIENCE SAYS SO" when it's incredibly not unanimous. I felt the /r/atheism running through xer veins.

[@Senorbenignhillarity]

The question becomes does the activist nature ruin the trans person? or the internet exposure. no normal individual who is trans acts this way lol.

[@TheRealZeke2003]

"....,YOU KNOW,...", "JUST SAY YOU'RE....". Redditors are so annoying, they all talk like bots

[@shortymccutlery8919]

They're insufferable.

[@counselorguy5481]

There's nothing scientific about transgenderism. I don't know why we're considering the humanities as scientific. Everyone knows that they're not.

[@Dark10024]

​@@SenorbenignhillarityI think its a combination of being terminally online and residing in a very weird ideological space where people are genuinely unhinged. Before he bent over backwards for them I remember Vaush saying way back in the day that the leftist discourse online is ridden with mental illness and that we shouldn't give any attention to these sociopaths. Now these people are starting to get into media, enterteinment, colleges and actual positions of power in our institutions. They use their identity of being a minority or trans as a shield that blocks all criticism while at the same time bullying everyone into submission. We need to start calling this out and standing our ground instead of folding, otherwise we are just going to get bulldozed.

[@LuizMoraes-xb7qj]

You know someone is in a bubble even more than an average person when they dont admit they are in a bubble

[@bananian]

Kind of like you

[@bamwesty8158]

I hate when people say this. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. It’s so dumb

[@mattiOTX]

Tbf I'm not in a bubble, I hate all of you. The left lost the plot and the right literally do nothing ever.

[@GBGB000]

"I'm not in a bubble. I meet lots of different people as a polyamorous internet-famous trans woman!" 🤣🤣🤣

[@immusicallyaddicted226]

This person is actually reinforcing TYT's point it's kinda funny and sad at the same time

[@hobbabobba7912]

The whole degree thing is so annoying, having a masters in biotechnology doesn't make you an expert in endocrinology. It doesn't even make you an expert in biotechnology.

[@lordteensie6156]

Honestly if you hear anyone say anything that sounds like how this person talks you should probably just avoid them, they're deeply and irrevocably tied up in something, probably emotionally, and there's no talking to them

[@Relizabeth1]

I live in VA and we now have a Republican Governor because he spoke out against the crap going on in Loudoun county, one of the wealthiest counties in the country. Very liberal but they didn’t like being told they don’t have a say in their kid’s education. Liberals will absolutely vote Republican over these issues.

[@rodiculous9464]

This conversation is about trans people in sports not transitioning kids or whatever. I doubt that many people are voting completely single issue on trans sports if they weren't already aligned with that side to begin with

[@Relizabeth1]

@@rodiculous9464 as someone who lives in the state, and is involved in local politics, people do vote on single issues. Whether it’s white women and abortion or lefties who just want their kids to have fair sports competition. It’s a fact and it happened here in blue Virginia.🤷🏻‍♀️

[@helioscomis3732]

I think its also telling that they try to say that doctors are not over medicating trans-youth for fear of being labeled transphobic, then when the whistleblower shows up to confirm that yes there are doctors who over medicate to avoid being labelled transphobic they instantly shift and deflect to "hipa violations."

[@technoloverish]

I mean, yes, you can can show that that anecdotal instances of a problem exist, but in the case medicating, that's argument for improving the standards and better regulations, rather than banning it

[@helioscomis3732]

@@technoloverish And if we did improve the standard and like Sweden it results in the removal of puberty blockers/hrt regimes for minors would that be taken in stride as a medical monitor doing its due diligence to weigh out the risks of treatments vs outcomes, or would it be labeled as trans-genocide?

[@technoloverish]

@@helioscomis3732 I don't know if it would count as total genocide, but it would be borderline genocide. Most of the evidence shows that for minors with gender dysphoria, letting them use puberty blockers with the consultation of their doctors and their families is ideal. Gender dysphoria is very crippling for some people and puberty blockers are good at pausing puberty, such that they have time to decide if they need to medically transition later on. As for Sweden, it's a decent place as far as having and egalitarian society and all that, but I don't necessarily see it as the best role model, politically-speaking. For instance, Sweden criminalizes paying prostitutes for intimacy. Plus, their only cited reason for limited puberty blockers was "not enough research", which means they didn't bother looking at the overwhelming amount of sources that confirm that they're safe and effective. Their policy wasn't based on any advice from people who've studied puberty blockers, and their justification could equally be used to justify banning birth control for women. Now, taking them more charitably, it's possibly they could just be talking about the fact that they haven't historically been used for gender dysphoria and were mostly intended for use with people who started puberty too early, but even that's fallacious, given that we already allow a lot of difference medicines to be used off-label for things that we're their original intended purpose

[@keithdavid5206]

@@technoloverishyou can’t pause puberty, you BLOCK it, puberty BLOCKERS. It would be called puberty pausers if that’s what it did. You are permanently taking away a younger persons gender and mental health away when you do extremely invasive surgery and medical procedures for some weird time in someones life.

[@rodiculous9464]

Conservatives when 250,000 people die every year of medical malpractice: 😴 Conservatives when 1 person is mistakenly diagnosed as trans: MARTHA GIT MUH AYARRRR 15 I NEED TUH SAVE DUH CUNTRY

[@daelaenor]

Bruh, why are they so sure of their political ideologies when they're already uncertain about their own gender?

[@wil1234111]

I'm a bit more right leaning man, works 60 hours a week in a factory, all anyone I know in that factory regardless of political leaning care about are gas cost, food cost and how much money is taken out of are paychecks, until the left actually address those things without taking more of our money we will never give a shit about this Trans rights bs

[@yajy4501]

Ana should come on stream. She’s getting hate when she should be applauded.

[@dukedematteo1995]

Cenk is right. In many of these hospitals and doctors' offices.....they have to give "gender affirming care" to any patient claiming to be the opposite gender whether the patient is a minor or not. So many articles have been written about this phenomenon

[@daralic2255]

Social transitioning is considered gender affirming care. Basically the doctors will call you by your gender and chosen name when Informed.

[@odeode4338]

@@daralic2255really, calling someone by their preferred pronouns is gender affirming care? I didn’t know I‘m kind of a doctor myself.

[@daralic2255]

@@odeode4338 As much as giving someone their daily pills makes you a pharmacist.

[@odeode4338]

@@daralic2255 I’m also a pharmacist then. Cool and that even without ever getting a degree in either profession. I also sometimes read legal texts, am I then a lawyer as well?

[@daralic2255]

@@odeode4338 Don’t forget that making a sex tape makes you a porn star. Lol

[@Senorbenignhillarity]

Twitter, redditt and the internet has ruined peoples ability to speak without causing cringe convulsions.

[@daniellastnaim1588]

I live to see people so progressive that they make everyone else not as progressive lmao 😂

[@michaelstark831]

275 is a really strong bench by normal standards. In powerlifting 275 is absolutely not a national level, local to maybe state level depending on your weight class

[@Under_the_Iceberg]

I'll be honest, I seriously question the intentions of anyone who simultaneously pushes "self id" and "access to womens-only spaces."

[@jakestroll6518]

Most men are against this. The women supporting that don’t think it will ever affect them. They’ll never need to escape to an abuse shelter or a homeless shelter or in a prison. And sports will never be their only viable route to college or out off poverty. That’s why they ge5 to virtue signal so freely.

[@katev7945]

I remember when this first came up and the first thing that went through my mind was fear. Not fear of trans women in our spaces but fear of men capitalizing on this easy entry point into our safe spaces. I grew up in a zip code full of preying sex offenders. Grown men masturbating in their cars, following us home from school, hanging outside of public restrooms at parks…these encounters started in 3rd grade and continued consistently until we were old enough to drive and couldn’t be followed on our walks to and from school and each other’s homes. Each and every person dismissing our perspective can eat a dick. They’re not the center of the universe.

[@Charlie_Loves]

@@synchronium24I still don’t see a wave of trans women violating cis women and they’ve had access to these spaces for decades. I don’t get how you guys don’t see through the selective outrage.

[@lightfeather9953]

​@@Charlie_Lovesno women being assaulted in women's prisons in CA already?

[@Charlie_Loves]

@@lightfeather9953 I’m talking about trans women in the bathrooms

[@ipponippon2592]

I would be curious if the people that think this is all a grift, will come out and apologise if ana stays at tyt

[@saltking2715]

i am more of expect TYT to get a different funding, "The hill" kinda went downhill, no pun intended, so maybe the money behind that will move to a different outlet to push their "centrist" message.

[@sward0483]

The main issue here is they went from "gender and sex are 2 different things" to "sex and gender are the same" its not. Youre either a man or a woman, or a trans man or woman. A trans woman is NOT a woman, theyre a TRANS woman. The big problem is this whole push to day trans women are women as if theres nothing different between the two. Its completely absurd.

[@cjohnson3836]

This isn't a correct framing of their argument. Literally no one believes sex and gender are the same. And their hierarchy would be [humans]->[male]->[cis-man] | [trans-man] and [humans] -> [female] -> [cis-woman] | [trans-woman]. They are not arguing that trans women are the same as cis women. Their argument is that woman includes both as a subdesignator. Whether this is correct or not isn't a useful question because definitions are ultimately social constructs. And if their framing wins, the only change will be that woman-only spaces will become cis-woman-only spaces.

[@sward0483]

@cjohnson3836 The fact they argue trans women are no different from women and have no advantage in sports says otherwise. The whole cis nonsense is just dumb. You don't need to put an identifier in front of regular men and women as they make up like 99% of the population, and they are the genetic norm. You only put trans infront because those people require it to signify that they identify opposite of the genetic norm. The only reason to put a qualifier or whatever before normal men/woman is to attempt to merge women and trans women into the same category. That won't fly in the real world.

[@chronographer]

I just wish they would pick one and stick with it! Sex and gender are separate? great. So no trans WOMEN (gender) in female sports or female bathrooms (sex). Don't confuse sex and gender now!

[@keithdavid5206]

⁠@@cjohnson3836everything is socially constructed, doesn’t mean it doesn’t serve a purpose. Having a different “sub designator” doesn’t change what’s between your legs.

[@cjohnson3836]

@@keithdavid5206 If you're going to copy my other posts at least take the time to understand them. And no, not "everything" is a social construct. But a definition very much is. And if you think any of this is only genitals, you're a fucktard that needs to go back to grade school life science class. Start with secondary sex characteristics. I'm not going to explain to you the nuance of cultural evolution as it relates to anisogamous reproduction in a YT comment.

[@PuertoRicanCreoleQueen]

Ben is a complete snowflake grifter. I used to like Ben but to completely purposefully misinterpret and misrepresent what Cenk said to her and then the things she is saying Ana said is not the way Ana said it. And she is literally changing what Cenk said because I watch TYT literally every day Monday through Friday starting with Indisputable then Unbossed then The WatchList then the main show The Young Turks

[@theimmortal4718]

If sexual orientation and gender are simple constructs, why is it that gay men and leabians, and trans men and trans women don't hang out as best friends?

[@gaychinee]

I think calling pregos "Cumdumpsters" is probably the best compromise on this issue.

[@rodiculous9464]

My biggest issue with both sides of the aisle is the permanence with which policy issues are approached which causes gridlock. So like just because trans people can't play sports now doesn't mean you can't take the more centrist position and get them the protection they need for now and worry about sports later. For example black people didn't win all their rights in one fell swoop.

[@zanestearns2143]

I think cenk's point wasn't anecdotal in a bad way. He is not a record pushing lifter, and he can do that bench, and it was a world record for women. His point was that a simple look at him would tell you he isn't unfit, but he isn't young anymore, and he isn't a world record lifter. His point I think hits well.

[@V4RUTV]

Hearing trans people talk about the trans experience like theyre experts in trans issues is so aggrevating. Its like when parents think they're experts on children because they have some.

[@LuZu_]

this is a hilarious attempt to sound smart and dogmatic by going from social activism to politics, when all they did was let their emotionally charged accusations and ignorance cloud their judgement. what a genuine embarrassment, I feel bad.

[@zkring]

Yet another example of Destiny nailing the fuck out a situation. He calls it like it is and I believe he is usually correct.

[@PixelPenguin77]

Uh... I feel you but Destiny's whole shtick is that you shouldn't "believe someone is usually correct" to form your own opinions.

[@DSPHistoricalSociety]

I'll say this... i always come away thinking Destiny is trying in good faith to find what's true

[@venom-gt7rc]

@@DSPHistoricalSociety Really, always? I feel like he enjoys a bit of hating from time to time

[@ForeverMasterless]

@@venom-gt7rc He enjoys hating and dunking on people, but he'll never make up shit or interpret what they're saying in the most uncharitable way possible just because he hates them. He still defends Hasan and Vaush sometimes, if he legitimately thinks they have a correct point or that the way what they said is being interpreted by people is super uncharitable. That's called integrity.

[@beanybabyrabie]

He thinks there isn’t widespread corruption in our government. So your observation is wrong.

[@pattyfranks7855]

I have a really hard time watching TYT because of my personal beliefs, but I have a lot respect for their transparency. The fact that they don’t cow to pressure have always impressed me. Conversation and honest debate is key to understanding and moving forward.

[@theimmortal4718]

Cenk and Anna have lied to their audience for so many years, that the audience rebelled when they told the truth

[@sole__doubt]

"This is selfish foolish ignorance that is fueling this" Oh man the irony that he said that about Cenk is so good. :)

[@dejectedfrogcat2840]

Narcissism explains most of these.

[@Slayqueenatron]

I can confirm PCOS sucks, I’m astounded by that one! Cenk was so right to say she lives in a bubble. She just has all these people telling her she’s right and brave and amazing that she is arrogant AF. Thank you for bringing some common sense to this crazy liberal war, Steven.

[@Darthdoodoo]

He thinks he is right because people like you entertain his delusions and call him she

[@moofps6732]

As someone with an extreme form of PCOS a side effect that isn't talked about a lot is diabetes and insulin problems. I encourage you to research it because its not just about acne and severe periods like everyone makes it seem.

[@TheFunctioningInsomniac]

These activists won’t do that research because it goes against their narrative

[@SalivatingSteve]

Yeah these people taking cross-sex hormones are literally inducing a disease state in their body. They wind up with diabetes and metabolic issues.

[@bigzubber]

Imagine the people you supported and fought for turn on you, oh wait who didn’t see that coming😂

[@Rakstawr]

The "implied white master r*ce in the talking points on the left" take from Destiny was spot on here. He has talked about it before but it's clearly coming from Vaush here.

[@UbiDoobyBanooby]

Dude I agree. I’ve been calling the left the white supremacists forever now. In terms of slavery the west was the first to attempt (and succeed) in a widespread ban, the rest of the world resisted it when Britain banned it in all its territories. So the only thing people are really complaining about is the fact that white people even participated or didn’t ban it sooner while everyone else just gets a pass. Why? Are white people just inherently smarter people and therefore knew better but just chose to ignore their conscience? And non white people were just too stupid to know any better so they get a pass? These people are white supremacists.

[@venom-gt7rc]

I don't think they are implying that whites are inherently superior, but rather that they have been privileged and thus have no right to complain because supposedly life is so much easier for them overall

[@rodiculous9464]

​@@venom-gt7rcthat's what I got too. Just more destiny being disingenuous against people he has a personal beef with.

[@TheUplate]

A perfect example of how Voosh values tribalism over principles. The accusations of him being a grifter are getting very difficult to deny

[@markfregly4148]

The fastest woman who has ever run the 100 yard dash would be about 143rd of all of todays' HIGH SCHOOL boys

[@tsa_Yama]

45:18 destiny is right that any time a competitor has a greater ability to recover from their sessions or has an increased work capacity due to internal or external factors, then that competitor has an advantage. For example, rock climbing is a sport that combines technique, strength and essentially problem solving. The more routes you can do and the more time you can spend on the wall before a competition, the more you increase at the very least your technique and ability to mentally visualize the common moves needed to succeed. This is why not all PED use boils down to just making an athlete stronger, but instead sometimes just increases recovery and thus allows them to put hours or perhaps even days more amount of training into their program.

[@chronographer]

'I am not in a bubble! I once matched with someone on tinder who agrees with all my political takes!' - uhhhhhhh

[@GBGB000]

This person is flaunting their "master's in biotechnology" but didn't mention that they got an ONLINE degree from UM Global Campus. Their degree is literally worthless.

[@ekkkkkans9315]

It is crazy how deep vaush read into her saying this. Hassan and him both do this, it’s so bad faith honestly it’s the most toxic part of being online.

[@JustChayse]

28:00 I love how they say the person they matched with on a dating app isn't part of their bubble, you had to like them to match with them thats literally part of the bubble process lmao

[@Darthdoodoo]

You already know that the main thing that they matched on was the "im trans" in the bio😂😂how idiotic

[@TheRexTera]

The Purity Spiralling is out of control.

[@itsjay3853]

Idk why people are focusing on vaush being sexist, it comes from the same memeing place that destiny draws it from. The difference is vaush seems to not give a shit about inflammatory rhetoric, “they hate you; they are evil; they are demons; they want you dead” far more dangerous than memeing about sexism

[@mattiOTX]

32:33 thats not actually true. In the UK multiple doctors were fired because they refused to give children hormones and doctors did anonymous interviews talking about how they would give children hormones so that they would not lose their job over claims of transphobia. In fact multiple psychologist refused to even question people about their feeling of dysphoria because in California it opened them up to discrimination lawsuits. This was covered in multiple new stories from different affiliates.

[@TehCredibleHulk]

I feel like Trans activists are intentionally obscusating the conversation by arguing fringe topics to win incremental ground on things like bathrooms, sports and medical intervention without addressing the core of the debate, which is "are brains sexed?". If they're not, which the most recent studies seem to indicate, all of the downstream conversations become moot. Ailments like body/gender dysmorphia and the inevitable suicide rate become a mental/phycological issue as opposed to a medical one making hormornes and surgical internvention not the right course of action for these people. For everyones sake, I think we need to answer the "sexed brain" question before we start enacting laws and enforcing societal norms that we likely cant undo if we're wrong.

[@Lycanmaster]

“Believe all women” Woman says something that I don’t love “She is racist about a minor inconvenience “ Lmfao

[@rafaelorona1395]

Is so weird that the people who are apparently from the “left” hate to debate their positions even within themselves. So Ana has a different take, or believes differently about an issue of the plethora of issues they defend or represent and that immediately makes her a republican. Is hilarious. 😂

[@cjohnson3836]

Its not weird, its predictable. Political power is gained when groups have ideological buy-in. This is was conservatives across the planet are amazing good at. Look at nearly any country, there will be few, large conservative parties where everyone more-or-less tows the line. Then they are countered by coalitions of smaller liberal parties. Its no surprise then that eventually, if this strategy is so successful, that evolution dictates the left would do the same.

[@rafaelorona1395]

@@cjohnson3836 to me is weird because I understand that behavior coming from conservatives and religious groups. Progressives and leftist are usually open for discussions and debates, also are most likely to switch positions if it makes sense.

[@cjohnson3836]

@@rafaelorona1395 There is no evidence to suggest progressives are more likely to change positions than conservatives. This is shit we tell ourselves to stroke our own egos. Evidence suggests that everyone, regardless of ideology, are more likely to entrench into existing beliefs when faced with new information.

[@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother]

@@rafaelorona1395 General humanity isnt open for discussions. "Left" leaning people are no different. Typically, people leave issues until its life ruining before they complain and blame. Its exceedingly rare that people confront and communicate at any point before then.

[@rafaelorona1395]

@@donovan4222 because labeling her takes as “right wing” or “conservative” doesn’t allow anyone to really have a conversation or think about the validity of her stance. Is more of a tactic to stop the conversation at the first instance and making all the receptors that label themselves as leftist to be already on defense. I thought that being a progressive or a leftist were simply a group of people that share a group of ideas, like abortion rights, market regulations, free healthcare and education, lbgtq+ rights, human rights, etc, etc, etc. So let’s say she has an opinion that isn’t particularly popular about one of those, that shouldn’t immediately make her a conservative or right wing, and it should warrant further discussion.

[@jacobspeedrunchannel1893]

Vaush calling a sexual assault a minor inconvenience is the most wild part of this video

[@odeode4338]

But is it wild for Vaush?

[@wisemage0]

She didn't say Simon says

[@EyeOfTheTiger777]

Sexual assault? Was she raped? What happened?

[@Gullysands]

@@EyeOfTheTiger777she says in this video

[@xitlallicommentstoday2169]

Yes, regarding HIPAA violations, you have to provide specific details that actually identify the actual patient to people who have not received the patient's permission to know about her or his private medical or mental health information. There's always a possibility, however, that a person's identity could be identified through a case study or an anecdote in a journalist's story (by someone who already knows enough inside information to recognize the details), but it is highly unlikely that people not familiar with the specific details of a case would be able to identify a person's identity if the identifying information has been changed or not included.

[@blane2472]

"I don't live in a bubble!" she says while retreating into her bubble because her bosses didn't agree with her 100%.