Ethan Confronts Hasan On Socialism

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Date: 21 September, 2023
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00:00:00 Teaser / Intro
00:00:44 Ethan debates Hasan on socialism
00:06:51 One party in social systems
00:09:42 What do communists do to other lefties and capitalists?
00:12:22 Hasan talks re-education camps for capitalists
00:22:11 Ethan wants bumpers and guard rails
00:29:44 Vegan Gains goes off on Hasan
00:37:57 Hiring process in socialist systems
00:49:03 Great thing about liberalism
00:57:35 Forsen break
01:08:23 Ethan asks Dan
01:19:29 Democratic process is only good if it agrees w/ socialism
01:21:44 "you cannot run your business this way" Ethan
01:34:34 Does Destiny support unions?
01:40:58 Matt Walsh shouts out Destiny
#destiny
#politics
#debate

[@destiny]

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[@SingularityMedia]

He's been bodied man. He just crumbled. Absolute faker.

[@BINGUS712]

Name of the intro track?

[@elvirfale5431]

you are absoultely 100% right about this big weasel. no wonder people cant stand this fake pos even for a few minutes..

[@elvirfale5431]

his face just has hypocritical weasel spelled all over it..puccie asc boi

[@seanryan2643]

fascism and Nazism are brands of socialism.

[@unit38421]

Everyone is talking about how well Ethan did but I think Hasan managed to present a great case against socialism.

[@semenstainsthemountaintops9497]

it’s not that hard

[@batracio1415]

@@semenstainsthemountaintops9497 just like, one look at history and common sense should be yelling at you to just stop even considering socialism given its killed more than 100 million people directly.

[@ShrisiddhakedarSontakke]

Hasan is intellectually equivalent of Antiwork reddit mod. When they open mouth they destroy their cause.

[@dexterrkk3711]

bro literally is using 1984 as his talking points it's crazy. He really said all governments are oppression why shouldn't we do it,

[@TheClassicDoomGuy]

Ethan has outpaced Hasan, intellectually.

[@user-og6hl6lv7p]

You say that as if it's some sort of feat 🤣🤣🤣

[@user-xf4fe4eb3u]

Cap 🧢

[@ekaterinastaneva9922]

No he hasn't. It is just that he has sensible beliefs and Hasan believes in socialism. It is not hard to mess up with his beliefs, take a kid from the street and he will ask the same questions

[@TheClassicDoomGuy]

@@ekaterinastaneva9922 I can't believe I have to explain this but, this is a stab at Vaush saying "I've outpaced destiny, intellectually"

[@cleanercomet8455]

Imagine thinking Hasan is intelligent 💀

[@williamnorton2428]

Ethan had so much practice arguing with Trisha, he has that crazy patience. Hasan is the Logan Paul of politics.

[@JakeNashPK]

This is Ethan walking all over Hasan after spending as little as 1 week learning about socialism 😂

[@deejitv]

Lol it's that easy.

[@danielseaburg9763]

1 week? try 1 minute mate.

[@Aryzo]

bbbbbut the socialist utopia comrade 🥺

[@devious2172]

Here's a handy workflow to use while following along: 1) Ethan: "So what is so wrong with a Capitalist society, that we need Socialism?" 2) Hasan: "X thing is absolutely terrible under Capitalism" 3) Ethan: "But X could be regulated under Social Democracy without needing to move to pure Socialism" 4) Hasan: "But then that would still be Capitalism" 5) Return to 1

[@boomynote]

Thank you for this. Unironically this is very helpful and I’m not kidding

[@MarusaTheBadKid]

​@@boomynotehelpful for what?

[@keithfilibeck2390]

I mean how can they put up their Hammer and Sickle aesthetics over everything if they don't have a Socialist Revolution.

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

​@@MarusaTheBadKidbreaking down the dialogue tree, or the cognitive loop ideologues fall into. There's a difference between a conversation and a script, and being in the former as often as possible is the only way we'll scale down hostilities.

[@kingcosmuder8078]

Capitalism bad socialism good but don’t ask me how

[@animatorbroman3710]

For a socialist, it’s weird seeing Hasan surely is hogging all of those Ls. Greedy.

[@Syn741]

He's a capitalist at heart and socialist by name ❤

[@esalkor03]

And it's both capital and lowercase L's. He should spread the wealth 😂

[@breneesmith5400]

Hasan L = is basically anytime daddy destiny disagrees lol IF Destiny agreed w him, you’d see it as a W even if he saying the same sht . You’re like a sneako. That’s a BIG L. You jst not grateful for your L 😂

[@ehwick8175]

He capitalized

[@stevejones8550]

Hahaha thats great

[@ZacharyTilzer]

Ethan might honestly be the best at hiding his true power level.

[@bananian]

With his dad bod

[@techterror1282]

He's been infiltrating them this entire time

[@duderRechthat]

The Power being; actually going into detail about surface level concepts by asking "how would that work in practise" until said concepts apart.

[@cradio52]

“If citizens in a pure socialist society wanted to move toward capitalism, how would you deal with that? What would you do?” “You’d re-educate them.” 🤯

[@Rodzilla_2000]

Ethan is the closest we'll ever get to another Hasan vs Destiny debate and ya know what? Ethan doesn't disappoint 👏

[@Furrnox]

Yeah Ethan has been grabbing W's left and right recently hopefully he stays on this path!

[@DivinesLegacy]

He’s finally putting that ashkenazi jew iq to the test

[@breneesmith5400]

Destiny been working HARD for years to get attention or a response Hasan. His BIGGEST fan forsure disguised as a biggest hater . I hope he gets the day he’s been dreaming of soon so he can stop obsessing over Hasan lol .

[@VerniasAugoeides]

​@@breneesmith5400cope harder. Just realize that an autistic streamer debate bro is more serious and effective than your favorite wine brocialist.

[@CanadianCarterson]

The origins of Destiny v Hasan begun when they were friends. Hasan spawned out of Destiny's twitch channel, and when everyone realized Hasan and his fans were genuine communists, they parted ways. Now of course they despise each other, but hey it is what is, not my life, not my problem. @@breneesmith5400

[@croisaor2308]

Watching Hasan forced to outline how socialism would exist as it's own system for 10 minutes has been more revealing than seeing him use socialism purely as an aesthetic to critique capitalism for 5 years. He has always been politically illiterate, but he seems downright malicious in way I didn't think he was.

[@RolaiEckolo]

Hasan's been malicious since the "weasely little liar" bit.

[@accountnew7030]

hasan owns you

[@chcowboy5410]

Hasan is the definition of a leftists liberals are fine commies facists (socialists) have to go.

[@dazza761]

@@RolaiEckolo "dude"

[@ReubenModeXXX]

He would have been a Red Pill guy like Andrew Tate if he was more successful in his Bro Tips phase. He truly has zero principles.

[@zvk3059]

“I want socialism with capitalistic characteristics” - Sums up Hasan’s whole career.

[@BareBandSubscription]

“I want capitalism but also want everyone to think it’s socialism.”

[@Daxank]

@@BareBandSubscription If Hasan were to wake up in a dimension where everything is the same except capitalism is now called socialism and vice versa, he'd 100% believe he achieved his goal

[@orionSpacecraft]

china?

[@zvk3059]

@@orionSpacecraft More like USA dummy. Hasans just a whiner with a big ego

[@joseignaciomontes5712]

But also not the soc-dem way cause reasons

[@DangerDan19]

It's actually really cool to me how Ethan has turned into an actual debater. I haven't seen much from him lately, but he fucking destroyed Hasan here.

[@moze_-]

He was challenged with crazy and had no choice.

[@jackdaniel3135]

I love how hyped Destiny gets about Ethan’s debating skill.

[@aleksisuuronen5969]

I wouldn't say he is crazy good debator, these are like things a teenager should be able to respond from moral and logic standpoint 😅 I'm pretty sure at this point that Ethan has noticed him popping the dumb bubbles Hasan claims in his stream where no one is refuting him especially since he refuses to debate. So H3 have most likely watched his takes on things and goes for it since in this kinda forum Hasan cannot be like he is in his stream. So it is super easy to box him since he tries his hardest not to sound like a hypocrite 😅 Which is hard with the looney takes he have spewed over the years.

[@Joe-fj6dj]

Debate skill: ask questions from a normie s perspective It’s very effective

[@xatnu]

​@@aleksisuuronen5969honest question, were you high when you wrote that?

[@awoo21]

@@aleksisuuronen5969 I really hate how much people overestimate your average person so they can show off how smart they think they are

[@alexwheatley541]

He’s living vicariously thru Ethan and Ethan is surpassing his expectations

[@dahalofreeek]

Wow Ethan. Great moves! Keep it up. Proud of you.

[@TheStoneProduction]

Michelle?

[@martymcfly88mph35]

​@@TheStoneProductionBig Mike**

[@DragonDDark]

​@@martymcfly88mph35🤨

[@D3vilUS]

Obamna

[@gus3864]

ETHAN BRADBERRY!

[@jamesw5591]

After the interview Hassan drove his super car to his mansion.

[@huntergriffin7153]

It didn’t sit right with me when Hassan said he liked Japans way of not being able to fire someone and instead ostracizing them at work. What it basically says is instead of sitting someone down and firing them face to face like they’re a human being, is to emotionally degrade them so much to where they leave the company. Yeah getting fired sucks and can cause you to be hesitant next time you get a job, but to have everyone you see everyday treat you like you barely exist until you break down and can’t take it anymore is much worse and has more lasting impact.

[@SparePencils]

Because Hassan doesnt know what the world of real work is.

[@gosuckajd]

Why Ethan sounds like hes killing people with these easy questions is because hes approaching it from a normie perspective. We get so caught up in these debate bro responses that we applaud these simple questions.

[@jloiben12]

It also helps that Hasan doesn’t understand socialism nor reality (edit: so when Hasan engages with a normal person his dialogue trees just break down)

[@BigHotSauceBoss69]

Yeah you’re both spot-on

[@lindboknifeandtool]

He is pretty disarmingly aloof seeming. He’s also created this reputation for himself to be kind of a silly guy too so it’s great for debate if he actually does his research

[@DarkDevice]

It’s that you can also have simple answers. Being willing to state your opinion, take even one or two minutes to do simple research when someone makes their point and being willing to be wrong are three huge steps into being educated more than 80% of the populace.

[@Impervious11]

It also goes to show the value of not coming in ready to argue, and to instead discuss and understand the other side's point of view. The normal strategy would be to deflect or attack the other side, but when it's someone like Ethan who is challenging his points in a calm manner from the perspective of a friend, it's more difficult for Hasan to avoid addressing his points.

[@Wislehorn]

Don't like H3H3 at all, but he's such a king for making a podcast solely dedicated to torturing Hasan.

[@user-sp3gg7id8q]

Ethan is a hypocrisy and it's clear that he see the left wing are losing fans and the right wings are take-over on social media so he wants to sneak to right wing by sacrifice His long times budy who they always shares mindsets 😂

[@fffoolishnomore3834]

Daddy Handass sits round the fire with his employees as he splits profits with all his workers, you understand they all visit festivals and buy supercars just like him.

[@rareblues78daddy]

What else are you going to do after making a podcast dedicated to torturing yourself?

[@fffoolishnomore3834]

No they are both cnts who masquerade as something they are far from, fkn grifters the pair of them

[@lionelmessisburner7393]

Why do u dislike h3

[@virgomunoz]

It's almost like the solution to every fault in socialism returns to capitalism

[@paulalcohol]

Hasan has a brilliant way of not answering nothing but speaking.

[@ErcoleBellucci]

he has learned to press f1-f2-f3 for initiated dialogue and the rest is just phrases

[@BigDickMark]

He talks to himself in front of a computer for 12 hours a day so he has had a lot of practice😅

[@halfbloodprincess989]

Imagine calling your capitalistic 'comrades' that you forced into a reeducation camp for an indefinite amount of time your 'oppressors'

[@leftypaws1131]

He didn’t say anything about re education “camps”…. Destiny and Ethan are the only ones that said that.

[@N-Khal]

@@leftypaws1131 you aren’t the brightest are you

[@gaychampagnesocialist7213]

@@leftypaws1131 What happens if a capitalist DOESN'T want to be reeducated, and will continue to participate in democracy? You have only two options; allow the dismantling of your socialist system, or force them via threats and violence. What do you think a socialist would choose?

[@leftypaws1131]

@@gaychampagnesocialist7213 so you’re saying: what about the ppl who want to continue to exploit the poor and working class?

[@leftypaws1131]

@@gaychampagnesocialist7213 what do you think should happen to them? Genuine question.

[@ConsciousRobot]

If Hasan was entirely confident in his worldview he should appreciate Ethan grilling him on it, and as the premier socialist political streamer, should be able to make easy work of the very basic questions asked. Ethan did a great job challenging him.

[@kg356]

The problem is that Hasan stopped doing debates years ago and rather than polishing his worldview and responding to critiques, he's been living in an echo chamber

[@TheWiggum123]

Hasan believes people are subjected to false consciousness through people pushing back on Marxism and socialism. The Marxists believed it was an evil action. So no he won’t appreciate it.

[@dead4head294]

I'm only half hour in, but those are not easy questions. It gets very technical very quick.

[@cassady7169]

@@dead4head294Sure, but that’s Ethan’s point. Hasan is the one that makes everything simplistic; capitalism is evil and you’re a bootlicker whose head will roll when the revolution happens and my socialist system is just going to work, and when he is asked basic questions of his system he can’t even draw the line between capitalism and socialism. How do you say you want to put capitalists in “re education” camps, but you can’t even clearly define capitalism? It’s insane.

[@alexandriamahoneyy24687]

@@kg356 ngl, even if he did all that he’d still struggle with responding to these questions. not to say every capitalist is a perfect debater, but if they are like you said polished on their points i truly doubt that the socialist can be successful in the debate

[@olbrandonlo]

I feel like Hasan reads George Orwell and says to himself, "What's wrong with this? Everybody has exactly what they need to live. I wish I lived here!"

[@mathiaskanuck6759]

If thats the case, he's mentally ill... Like straightjacket insane.

[@xplodegg]

Hasan thinks he will be at the top of socialism where the 99% of money is held, if he truly believed in living on a small state ran socialist cheque he wouldn't live in a 3 million dollar house he would live 'realistically' to his own philosophy. Ironically if he was working for peanuts in a socialist state that's the thing he would make him realize it sucks the most as he clearly likes big spending.

[@PanosSchmitAlmeira]

George Orwell was a Socialist who fought in Catalonia..

[@orionSpacecraft]

more like brave new world

[@volundrfrey896]

"Napoleon actually was a good guy who just did what he had to too help his fellow animals. The book makes it very clear that all animals are equal, just that some are more equal"

[@user-sl6fg7pi6u]

Hasan : Amerca doesn't work, I don't like what America did. Ethan : if capitalist party gain power in your hypothetical multi party socialist state, what would you do? Hasan : I'd do what American did. I'm dead.

[@bigEsmall]

I have loved seeing how happy Ethan makes Destiny lately.

[@Theo-ot3ee]

Ethan is gaining much of my respect lately for addressing important issues and for pushing Hasan to engage more strongly with the arguments. You can tell Ethan is genuinely trying to understand the strengths and weaknesses of Hasan's views and regardless of what you think of Hasan, this is a good thing. I think this speaks to what this sphere lacks. I see a lot of drama and hear a lot of noise, but there's also a clear lack of genuineness that prevents people from noticing the obvious value that some aspects of the opposite side can potentially bring to yours.

[@CordaroBlu]

I was super anti Ethan at the H3 v A&P ark. Super bad faith. I think both he and Hasan look better in an argument against each other because their friendship is forcing a bit of good faith.

[@Theo-ot3ee]

@@CordaroBlu You're on point! Before these types of conversations, I always saw Ethan as nothing more than a troll with a 70 iq view of everything. You're definitely right that this brings something good out of each of them!

[@Logicalization]

@@Theo-ot3eenah he hates Tate.

[@SporkyMcFly]

​@@Theo-ot3ee What good does this bring from Hasan? He looks like a bumbling buffoon and a complete nitwit.

[@lancevance6346]

@@Theo-ot3ee Yea, Ethan still gets cringe with petty online confrontations like with JBP, Rogan etc. And his views about police are still fairly in line with Hasan's. Hopefully he gets out of that phase too.

[@MrG22333]

This is the Ethan I miss. He use to have great commentary. He is actually very smart. Last few years he has turned into a person who just talks bad about every one.

[@EmilyReiter]

Tbh his main demographic of fans is young women, so it makes sense to me, at least, that he pivoted his content towards that audience (i.e. more so talking about pop culture drama). I know this is where a lot of people stopped caring for him but I feel like it was understandable. What I don't understand, is how this same fanbase is shocked that Ethan, a successful production company owner married to another successful business owner, is a defender of capitalism. It's just so funny to me how people keep acting surprised by Ethan and Hasan being ideologically opposed to each other on this part but he's always been like this lol

[@samuelmark]

It's the audience he attracts, which has a certain leaning he then has to conform to; overtime, adapting it authentically.. It's a weird phenomenon, but you see this same thing happen all the time

[@floatingpiglets696]

You’re acting like destiny isn’t constantly shit talking someone or having some nebulous drama with that weeks orbiter. It’s just the context and subject matter of the drama you’re not interested in lol

[@matthewfors114]

@@floatingpiglets696 how is he acting like destiny doesnt do that? hes talking about ethan. we know what destiny does, apples and oranges buddy

[@marushall263]

@@floatingpiglets696 what he said had nothing to do with destiny.

[@scon1425]

The irony, and frankly, UTTER HYPOCRISY of Hasan Piker labeling people who react to political content an annoying “cottage industry” is kind of unmatched. What a shocking lack of self awareness, even for him.

[@jloiben12]

It would help if Hasan understood socialism and how the world works

[@andrewf8366]

Are you sure that's a fair? That sounds like it would take at least 1 weekend reading Wikipedia.

[@jloiben12]

@@andrewf8366 For Hasan? Asking him to have just a basic understanding of what he is talking about is too much

[@Horizon0505iije]

Social-capitalism is the best!!

[@jjmah7]

Socialism is extremely difficult to understand though. He understands it as well as anyone else who claims they do.

[@KnightOfTheWired]

​@@jjmah7 here's your complementary L and I'll show you the door.

[@cambienvenu]

Ethan did a really great job at not getting lots in the weeds, and re-centering the conversation. It allowed Hasan not to run from the questions, and showed how much of a clown he really is.

[@leftypaws1131]

Are you a conservative? Who is your fave political commentator? (Other than destiny)

[@KoopstaKlicca]

​@@leftypaws1131schizo question

[@cambienvenu]

@@KoopstaKliccaThey’re just not used to watching their favorite streamer get pressed, seeing as he never engages with anyone who might challenge his views.

[@leftypaws1131]

@@cambienvenu you’re the one that avoided two very simple questions….. But ok 👍

[@dieauferstehung]

hasans whole arguments was but WHAT ABOUT AMERICA IS BAD???

[@forsakenfortnite5771]

Destiny is coaching Ethan. That’s why he gets so excited when Ethan asks the right questions.😂

[@Priinsu]

56:41 One of the things that kinda convinced me that socialism/central planning is BS was serving in the military. I've been in the military for going on eight years now. I see government mess up allocating labor and resources all the time! As large, rich, and powerful as a our government is, it still has alot of issues properly allocating resources and we're not even close to 1% of the US population. So, this idea that with some more computers that the government will be able to accurately account for and manage the many trillions of different aspects and transactions of the US economy is just laughable to me. Maybe if you literally trapped GOD in a computer, maybe it would work but, anything short of that is just wishful thinking.

[@ianamburn3151]

At this point, I am convinced Destiny and Ethan have secretly teamed up for meta level of content.

[@beauevans8027]

@@melinagoransonsocialism = poor bruh

[@melinagoranson]

@@beauevans8027 eat the rich = before he was rich never blame the rich again = after he got rich

[@user-sp3gg7id8q]

Ethan is a hypocrisy and it's clear that he see the left wing are losing fans and the right wings are take-over on social media so he wants to sneak to right wing by sacrifice His long times budy who they always shares mindsets 😂

[@BareBandSubscription]

@@beauevans8027 Stupid meme argument. Hasan signed a three million dollar contract with Amazon, a company he previously criticized out of a socialist agenda. He’s a total hypocrite, period.

[@The_Babe]

​​​​​@@melinagoransonExcept none of what you said generates more wealth for him. He isn't exploiting anyone with said wealth, he is engaging in capitalism as a consumer. He isn't out here chasing stocks or encouraging others to, he isn't attempting to sell product in the vein of Alex Jones with vitamins or whatever pseudoscientific product he's trying to push. I hate Hasan, he is a dumbass tankie, but he is allowed luxuries that are within his means because we live in a capitalistic world. And being a consumer is the best way to bolster a capitalist economy because while he spent that money on extravagance, it is nonetheless still labor being paid for.

[@spacemonkeymafia522]

It’s funny how socialists will often say socialism isn’t a utopia but then turn around and say that everyone will be so perfectly provided for that no one would even consider wanting to be a capitalist haha.

[@CodeeXD]

And if they do all they need is a little re-education and they'll see the light comrade

[@FrogOf4Chan]

​@@CodeeXD"See the errors of your hungry stomach or face the wall"

[@Baccanaso]

They basically are trying to bring the kingdom of god on earth and will always fail for that hubris.

[@darkgardener9577]

OH and don't forget the 'no true socialist/socialism' fallacy..... all those times over the last century it's been tried across all different cultures on every continent and FAILED HORRIBLY 100% of the time....that wasn't REAL socialism. IF they (whatever activist you're talking to) or someone from THEIR group/party had been "Dear Leader", "Vlad" or "Chairman" it would have been totally different!! THEIR socialism is perfect and will absolutely result in the communist utopia ....you just have to submit to their rule and hand over all your property/labor. LOL

[@The_Babe]

I think democratic socialism is the way to go but past that (unless we somehow had infinite resources and no need for human labor on a mass scale) is just a dictatorship. Marxist-Leninists are no worse than conservatives tbh

[@Maximus98351]

I gained respect for Ethan after watching this. I used to think he was a mouth breathing reactionary content creator who tried to shock and or say what was necessary to get the highest viewership. I stand corrected his questions were well thought out. Hassan was clearly not ready for that, despite the questions being pretty obvious ones to ask.

[@Tedphoenician]

His reactions to Ky Cenat were completely braindead, using the Aladdin defense for looters, but his debate skills seem pretty high.

[@pariah_carey]

Honestly, for a long time, I was incredibly disappointed with Ethan, because he seemed to have adopted an Ideology without really UNDERSTANDING what that Ideology actually entails, which struck me as disingenuous and even a little irresponsible. So, it’s nice to see him start to push back a bit, because he adopted an Ideology that is predicated on the Expectation that a Species of Imperfect Beings will be able to create a Perfect Utopian Society, which is OBVIOUSLY an impossible task to accomplish (even if it is an incremental process), and thus, it is also a preposterous waste of time and effort to invest that heavily in an Exercise in Futility that is doomed to failure from the very start.

[@Mother_BEAR]

@@pariah_carey I mean that's generally anyone who follows socialism

[@MasterGhostf]

I completely agree. I wrote ethan off for years. Now it may be time to watch him.

[@yourancientancestor]

He's been smart people have just been catching on lately for some reason. Plus he got some cancelation bs happen a couple years ago which I think left a scar

[@antmen4]

I would love for Hasan to even debate someone who ACTUALLY LIVED through a socialist regime.

[@rando3939]

Depending on who and from where, you’d be disappointed. Plenty of old Eastern Europeans, even in America, are fully willing to speak highly of the USSR. I have family from Bulgaria during the time of the USSR and they look back fondly

[@antmen4]

Every guy I have ever met from those countries that had family that went through those times don't look fondly and genuinely hates communism and socialism, and they have reason for it. I have even seen western commies and socialists claim that Holodomor is a lie

[@TheBlinky81]

@@rando3939I was gonna say the same thing. My grandparents lived in the USSR, and they would just say those were the good times. But of course they suffered under communism, they just wish to see the better parts

[@rando3939]

@@TheBlinky81 there’s some boomers that will rave about the USSR lol, they’ll straight simp. My family usually goes “sure we where poor, but we did not have to worry about education, medicine, food, or house. Now we are still poor, and must also worry about these things.” Most of it seems to be along those lines, lamenting the degradation of infrastructure, or missing the camaraderie of those days; apparently people where far more friendly.

[@dudewhodoesstuff8959]

The first season of the Ethan leftie arc has started and I'm here for it

[@benblarney]

It's entertaining so far 😂😂😂

[@c0mplex564]

What? Ethan’s always been a lefty…

[@dudewhodoesstuff8959]

​@@c0mplex564"Lefty arc" is a Destiny community thing referring to Destiny getting into a bunch of arguments with socialist content creators that ended with socialists leaving his community.

[@ElChuntyCabra]

Don’t say “aNd iM hERe fUr iT” like some idiot high school white girl

[@forwatchingstuff]

W Lore@@dudewhodoesstuff8959

[@BonShula]

Dan really threw out "I'm a proud ancestor of a violent revolution that cumulated to millions of death" to earn points on the internet

[@curtiswarren8628]

That was an attempted joke on his part right??

[@BonShula]

@@curtiswarren8628 Pretty sure it was an attempt to impress Hasan and the audience

[@irnbrewhaha]

@@BonShula yeah.. :(

[@curtiswarren8628]

Wow

[@robertdinning2361]

Ethan is slowly realising he joined the wrong side

[@vNoMoreGod]

Wrong, that asshole is just gonna grift again once he notices he’s attracting people of the other side.

[@ImTheMan0fSteel]

Hassan is so vile. Omg. I hate how he gaslights Ethan. Ethan needs to start sticking up for himself and his beliefs more. He really does. Some people are just not speaking in good faith. And continuing to engage them like they are, gets you no where. Just lets him spew his nonsense.

[@kopekopekop]

Hasan truly risks himself for the people, disagreeing with anarchists is such an act of heroism

[@cambienvenu]

He really thought he was saying something there, though 💀

[@VerniasAugoeides]

He's always had disdain for anarchists, because out of all socialists they've been the only ones to even attempt to live their principles, usually by taking mutual aid a bit too seriously and becoming homeless and smelly as a result.

[@Steademans]

@@cambienvenunothing hasan ever says is legit

[@justin_ooo]

yup, a true man of the people. but hey, since they're helping to erode the power of capital they're still cool with him!

[@Scawtsauce]

so brave

[@WhitshWalker6]

Ethan’s perspective is so interesting because he’s coming in with genuine questions and testing hasans ideas. Hassan who I’d say is accustomed to not having to having his ideas directly challenged somewhat flounders when his ideology can’t provide an answer or the answer is optically bad. It’s one of the few opportunities now to see lefties get out to the fire in a way that requires a level of composure and competence and not meme through and offer the most generic opinion. Theory only gets you so far and Ethan is doing a great job of showing this just by asking simple questions and raising interesting hypotheticals.

[@PanosSchmitAlmeira]

All of these things can easily be answered by a socialist, hasan is barely a socialist if one at all

[@k.-flynn]

Ethan has a really simple technique of introducing the real world to heavily scripted arguments. Hasan has practiced his monologues a thousand times using the same terminology, the same theories, the same buzzwords. And all Ethan has to do is comprehend it (which can be difficult with how much these guys like to obscure their intent), and poke it a couple times. Ethan probably doesn't even realize he's good at it. Hasan builds a tower of cards that he's built over amd over, and he's ready to hold the couple of cards that he knows tend to slip, and Ethan just... nudges the table as he walks by.

[@Tespri]

@@k.-flynn this is how it works overall against left wing ideologies. They don't hold any scrutiny.

[@k.-flynn]

@@Tespri yeah wrong channel dude

[@Tespri]

@@k.-flynn hmm?

[@counterpoint1494]

I don’t understand this point Hassan keeps hammering that capitalist societies push “hyper individualism” and his socialist one would push collective attitudes. I think the difference is a free market capitalist society gives you the CHOICE to organize your life around any combination of individual and collective points. His socialist society would force you, ex reeducation centers, to adopt their collective view. In reality we see most people choose to be individualistic and capitalistic (Hassan especially)

[@slm0nw174]

this whole debate is basically ethan actually succesfully challenging socialism in many ways, asking great questions and mentioning huge concerns that would be the case in a socialist country (or have been the case, or both), and all hasan can really answer is 'muh ... also happens in capitalism', completely avoiding the question and its honestly so annoying, like is he trying to hide his real opinion or does he actually have no idea what hes talking about?

[@tooitchy]

It is fucking wildly entertaining watching Ethan the drunken master, as he dismantles everything Hasan believes with the most basic but critical questions.

[@Karait933]

One step towards ethan destiny podcast 😂

[@missaliciaxxxx]

I’m here for it

[@gambigambigambi]

Inshallah

[@Ithaca-vv5dy]

YYYEEESSSS

[@BareBandSubscription]

If Ethan operated consistently at his best like this again, I’d be so down for these two to link up.

[@caponereacts8088]

So if I’m getting this socialism thing right, Hassan wants a ceo to build a company for years, hire workers with his own pay and then leave it to the workers to vote if he should lose even more of his money? Because I might kms if this ever pass😭. What if all your workers just love the general manager, should he be making more than the ceo now?

[@rorschach7623]

We just need a more transparent system to prevent corruption, lobbying made illegal and the media must cite their sources

[@ethanieldude1]

For real. Capitalism is a great system, it's just been rigged against us.

[@frankalmanzar3492]

I didn’t think I’d see Ethan lose weight. Good on him!

[@hellsjamfleas]

He was scary heavy at one point. He's really done well to reverse it.

[@EnteiFled]

that's what shitting your separate bed from your wife every night from Ozempic will do for you

[@THE_TURTLE.]

Skinnier Ethan is doing good

[@DaveOu]

Aye nice, I didn’t really notice but yea he looks great. Good on him

[@skifast69]

Def ozempic lmao

[@ksilva2848]

Destiny is like your vanilla protagonist with multiple arcs of downs and ups, while Ethan is the gifted side character that gave up all his potential to chill but still got that dog in him.

[@user-sp3gg7id8q]

Ethan is a hypocrisy and it's clear that he see the left wing are losing fans and the right wings are take-over on social media so he wants to sneak to right wing by sacrifice His long times budy who they always shares mindsets 😂

[@FauxRaidenator]

Who knew Ethan was capable of being unironically based? It's impossible to pay someone a percentage of the value they bring to a company outside of very specific circumstances like Sales. Coincidentally - things like Sales often do have a profit incentive by paying based on the sales they provide. For someone like myself, who is in a backend/regulatory position, it's impossible to know how much value I bring to the company because I mostly exist to prevent the company from being sued and/or fined. It's much easier to let the two parties negotiate their own value and it becomes a market driven commodity in and of itself. I know what the value of my contribution is based on my experience and what peer companies have offered and will offer to me. If a company doesn't meet my expectations, then I choose not to work with them and find someone who does. As an example of how easily it fails - think of how many businesses there are/have been where two or more people enter into the creation of a business with the expectation that they split profits equally. Then, inevitably, it gets to a point where one person thinks or is bringing more value or working harder to make the business successful than the other. This inevitably results in some sort of dissolution either of the relationship or the business. This happens so far more often than it doesn't. People are inherently inequal in multiple ways and as such the only way to make it work is for the system to be voluntary.

[@techelitesareadisease8816]

Yeah seriously. How would you ever grade someone's performance in a preventative role? Lets say your job is to go around your company's various locations and ensure the internal policies are being followed concerning safety and to investigate instances where they may have been broken. There is no conceivable way to determine what percentage of the profit they conserve by preventing workers from falling and hurting themselves.

[@ErcoleBellucci]

hasan say that because he never worked in his entire life, ask him what he did as a worker Nothing and if he mentioned where he worked there wont be evidence He's just aristocratic child and not even a man, sometime you can be aristocratic and a man, but he isnt

[@ichigonubetube]

My problem with socialism, and even democratic socialism, or possibly liberalism in general, is theres never a limit to how far you go, like everything is incremental until you hit the wall, the wall being full socialism. I feel like we are projecting things on capitalism, that arent actually capitalism, and when ever a socialist references capitalism, their just talking about a free market. Capitalism has checks to insure that were not tyrannized by corporations, our politicians just opt not to regulate them. Like im fine with employee protections, and things like that, but we need to be extremely careful when trying to advance when socialism is concerned, unions for example, there are some good unions, but there are unions that abuse their point, pushing companies to the breaking point. Sometimes those protections extend into mechanisms of power by extension of the government, i think when you have the government being used to wreak havok on a company, even with a collective agreement from some of the workers, i dont think thats fair. People depend on the company, its revenue, and its products, and just because you dont get your way, the company shouldnt go down in flames. To me thats just tyranny in the guise of employee protection.

[@perfectiondreamusa]

i love how even in the hypothetical example where full socialism the dominant system anything else is “counterrevolutionary” lmao

[@voidcowboy4327]

They feel like that because the average person even if they are say a socialist still don't know enough to be able to debate someone so they feel attacked, and the way they handle it is by insulting the person questioning them.

[@romnesia7729]

Watching Ethan's chat was the most glaaaaazing experience for hasan I've ever seen. hasTans were out in droves.

[@zinho934]

Ha💤an explanation💤

[@kennethjohnson8003]

there was a post on h3 subreddit explaining it 200 chatters were 60% of chat

[@zalandarr]

ye its funny that ppl dont think he has his commie community run around and brigade everything they have a chance to and he cries like a 5yold whenever he has negative publicity cause it must be dgg always even tho most normies even hate that moron by now.

[@itskastrand]

@@kennethjohnson8003 can you link the subreddit post?

[@LS-jv9hp]

@@itskastrand you can't post links on yt

[@rayraysphone]

Hasan fails to realize that "having all your needs met" is only possible for the bottom two rungs of Maslow's heirarchy. Only a man without propose would be happy with unlimited Oreos.

[@gR22401]

I am not a liberal, but the fact that liberals like Ethan and Destiny exist gives me hope. Common sense is lacking in the extreme left and right, so it's refreshing to see. I don't agree with everything they say, but I understand why they think the way they do because it's logical instead of ideological. I will say this is the first video I have seen Hasan not act like a complete dick, even if he unknowingly made his case against socialism.

[@Kopite96]

Ethan has become really enlightened recently. Props to him.

[@tramarthomas6105]

​@@Stav6anti glazers are cringe

[@Goredom-]

@@tramarthomas6105 Better cringe than easily manipulated. lol

[@Kekkai_]

I wouldn't say he's been Enlighted. He's still an idiot when it comes to social issues but that doesn't take away from him being a drunken master of economic politics lol the way I see it is that he's been talking about the wrong topics this whole time.

[@BillRevis]

@@Goredom- you are a puppet that believes anything.

[@zoharcina]

Lol, he literally gets his info from chatgpt...

[@kopekopekop]

Imagine how amazing it would be if Ethan was the figure that lead the deradicalization of the super popular far lefties

[@nosleepinheaven]

God works in mysterious ways

[@hazzardalsohazzard2624]

All will be forgiven!

[@user-xg9wb9zs7j]

he is part of gods chosen people ✡️

[@rossmillington4959]

😂😂😂

[@RachelDee]

Yeah did not see that one coming.

[@420dopethrone]

this makes me happy as an ex H3 fan (Pre-2020) would love to see them return to reality.

[@KainsAddiction]

I think he stopped smoking weed and finally got his meds right. If he keeps it up he's be back in about six months

[@crankyunicorn4423]

Hasan as a Turkish born should be fighting for the Kurds rights to have their land back from the Turkish government or should be critic of the islamification of the Turk government. Never seen him talk seriously about that.

[@chrisblessing45]

He was born in America.

[@doublestarships646]

If you came out of that interaction as someone that found Hasan to be right then there's no helping you.

[@damon22441]

Should those people be... removed?

[@ehmiguel7602]

@@damon22441no, just mocked

[@Gkario]

@@damon22441 From all intelligent discourse? Yes.

[@ReubenModeXXX]

​@@damon22441no just sent for re education

[@Noone-we9vb]

​@@damon22441as hasan said, reeducated...

[@vgorp3849]

Hasan cosigning re-education camps has officially made me pro gun I think.

[@wordshurt2676]

I'd rather die free that live a slave

[@sneakers_guy5488]

Let's be honest though, what percentage of the US population holds Hasan's exact worldview? I'm confident that it is a tiny minority.

[@zeus7873]

​@@sneakers_guy5488 true and that's a good sign

[@vgorp3849]

@@sneakers_guy5488 for now, maybe. Hasan's only 32 though. He'll be saying this shit to thousands of people at a time for decades.

[@KoopstaKlicca]

​@@vgorp3849well fortunately for us he advocates for the most impotent form of socialism that will amount to nothing

[@Dragonite43]

I work as a cashier at a grocery store. I think a cashier could have a say in which the boss should order, because many customers tell the cashier that they were looking for X, Y, and Z but the store doesn't have it. As a a cashier, I am then able to tell my boss that a customer is looking for an item, and then the boss can order the product as a trial run to see if other customers would be willing to purchase that product. If the product doesn't sell well before the products expire, we could then sell it at clearance at a much cheaper price. And I know this, because that is how we do things at the job I'm currently working at.

[@donvhermit5803]

Dan is such a Hasan janny

[@eliranmishal8270]

Hasan sounds like a student trying to explain tomorrow’s exam material to another student after reading it for the first time just yesterday.

[@TheGreatMilksteak]

It's so painfully obvious he skims articles and then shouts exactly like that student on his stream as any basic question becomes unanswerable

[@rherd]

As a long time h3 fan I’m glad to see Ethan regaining the respect of people again. He really is far more intelligent then people realize, and when he’s not joking around he nails these heavy topics perfectly.

[@misha130]

Is he? More like adequately intelligent imo

[@chillin5703]

​@@misha130so... more intelligent than people were portraying him. People were treating him like an idiot because he has bad takes, possibly _in part_ because his team misleads him, but also _in part_ because smart people can say things you find disagreeable. Simple lmao.

[@user-sp3gg7id8q]

Ethan is a hypocrisy and it's clear that he see the left wing are losing fans and the right wings are take-over on social media so he wants to sneak to right wing by sacrifice His long times budy who they always shares mindsets 😂

[@VillaCarrington]

Weird ass insecure comment.

[@jamesdraco09]

Skinny man good?

[@Edamame07]

2:30 what is the intro song?

[@joeip101]

Flashback to Richard Wolff/Destiny video viewer: "Can I have my PS5 in a socialist system?" Wolff: "Sure you can. It just depends on your need for a PS5 weighed against the greater collective need of your community" Ethan: "In a socialist country, is there one party or multiple parties?" Hasan: "Sure you can. It just depends on your need for [multiple political parties] weighed against the greater collective need of your [primary socialist party]."

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

You forgot to mention Wolff's flopsweat 😂

[@user-sp3gg7id8q]

Ethan is a hypocrisy and it's clear that he see the left wing are losing fans and the right wings are take-over on social media so he wants to sneak to right wing by sacrifice His long times budy who they always shares mindsets 😂

[@charlesmcguffin2979]

Imagine being such a loser that the first thing you think about is video games.

[@dmvbawse4265]

Ethan is handling Hasan and making him squirm is pure comedy

[@Selendeki]

Indeed, I think think the awkwardness comes from the substantial difference in IQ between them. If I had to guess I'd say Ethan is +2 sigma over Hasan.

[@RS-fy9hb]

​@@Selendekiat the very least.

[@emperortgp2424]

imagine getting bodied by ethan of all people.

[@faketheo3432]

1:09:37 In my opinion, implementing a maximum wage limit for CEOs seems like a positive proposal. It might be beneficial to set a cap on CEO salaries, perhaps at a level equivalent to 35,000 times the earnings of an average worker, inclusive of bonuses.

[@liftfork]

The issue with wage caps is that once you hit that cap you have no incentive to continue doing anything more since you won't be paid for it. Why continue to work or innovate your company if you're not going to be making anymore money for it?

[@faketheo3432]

@@liftfork good luck hitting my proposed cap

[@canislupus3655]

​@@liftforkThe incentive comes from the fact that more profit means you can increase your worker's wages, thus bumping up the cap on your salary

[@z0h33y]

The average tenure of a CEO is 4.9 years, there's no reason to implement a maximum wage on what is essentially a position that barely anyone can fill.

[@faketheo3432]

@@z0h33y there is also no reason not to implement a wage cap

[@CommunityServesUs]

Im more social democracy than capitalist but Hasan being pretty much eviscerated by a normie like Ethan speaks volumes.

[@natetollett5515]

Brother social democracy is capitalism

[@CommunityServesUs]

@@natetollett5515 pure capitalism?

[@jgreen802]

​@@CommunityServesUsit's just capitalism with social safety nets and more regulations. "Pure" capitalism doesn't really exist. Even in America, the government places a ton of restrictions on business such as anti trust laws, minimum wage laws, etc. They also have some government programs like food stamps and Medicaid for the poor. A social democrat advocates for even more regulation on business and the expansion of government funded programs, but they still want to operate under the capitalist economic model, where private citizens control industry and trade for profit.

[@oluwasegunoriola9834]

@@jgreen802 "capitalism with social safety nets and more regulations" is an oxymoron. As you said, pure capitalism does not exist. And, any involvement of the goverment and trade unions on the means of production means there is no longer private ownership. Sure, people can privately trade, but only under the laws regulated by the government. The government literally dictates who, what, and why private trade can occur. This is not capitalism. Nor is it socialism. Thus, "operate under the capitalist economic model" does not make sense.

[@momoz74]

​@@oluwasegunoriola9834 You're not only wrong but even if you were right it wouldn't matter. Let's say you're right and capitalism doesn't exist. So what? The argument is the system we currently have, whatever you want to call it vs. socialism. And socialism is infinitely worse.

[@willy_b_coyote]

Expect Cenk’s Nephew to stab Ethan in the back just like he did with Destiny any day now.

[@chadkleckler5180]

These guys, Destiny included, actually think they're like the great minds of our times, don't they? Jesus. I used to think it was a bit of a larp for shits and giggles, but its an actual delusion, isn't it? If this is our Socrates criticizing our Aristotle as he debates our Pythagoras as his eyebrows dance spasmodically, well then, I'm unsure if the proper reaction is to cry, laugh or simply superchat in agreement.

[@mingus8257]

Your last sentence has me dying

[@Asher17]

When Ethan "You don't even have to think about it, dude" Klein outclasses you intellectually, you've got problems

[@evilcookiekiller]

Under Hasans system, why would anyone ever start a business? To make a business successful is a ton of time, risk, effort, and no promise of ever being profitable. And then when that work pays off and you actually grow your success is undercut by someone that inherited all that previous work to be successful. All anyone would ever do is try to join on a small profitable business to forgo the initial start up risk and investment. But since no one is starting businesses that wouldn't happen. It would just collapse in on itself. Progress would slow to a crawl. Part of the reason why no socialist country ever has been able to build a decent car.

[@AlexDestroyerOfEarth]

@@mindlander What's wrong is that isn't the conceptualization of marxism, that is just a corporation with a board and ceo. Democracy in the workplace, especially large enterprises, is how you grind all workings to a halt.

[@KoopstaKlicca]

​@@mindlanderthen that's the softest weakest form of socialism that already can exist in capitalism, and there is no point for a revolution

[@AlexDestroyerOfEarth]

@@mindlander if every single individual in a company has to vote on every minor thing that occurs do you think that will be conducive to proper workings?

[@AlexDestroyerOfEarth]

@@mindlander so socialism and the workers paradise is now a representative democracy? I think all of your forebears in the ideology would disagree with you

[@KoopstaKlicca]

@@mindlander Hasan's fetish for revolution is undermined.

[@apollostemple8304]

When "orbiters" come in thinking they have the answers then end up being the most wrong. Just derailing good content into unbearable shit for like 5 minutes. God, Destiny's tolerant for these people never ceases to amaze me.

[@bobjenkins4925]

Is this about Vegan Gains. Because I like that goofy psycho lmao

[@user-tf9ky2bv5m]

For real I don't even like Hasan and I wanted to see Sam Hyde beat him up tbh but the guy who called in to say he wants socialism so people don't make more money than him because he is chasing clout was stupid af.

[@JohnDoe-kn7ex]

@@user-tf9ky2bv5m Yeah same. That’s like a mrgirl tier psychic reading of hasan.

[@travmak5719]

I'll say Ethan has a really good sense of business

[@polpol2739]

I think ethan could be amazing "hard questions" interviewer when he is serious and also when he stops being afraid of the audience like what happened with him and joradn peterson

[@jetjet6560]

It's amazing how the H3H3 and Hasan audience have bought into an idea without a single thought, and unable to actually answer or counter Ethan's points

[@RockPile_]

Name a single point from this entire video that I, as a member of Hasans community, couldn’t easily answer due to having previously considered it. Go ahead and try. Or just give a sassy reply and refuse bc you know you can’t.

[@tunnelsloth5948]

​@@RockPile_Marxism is basically a religion. Catholic apologists always have an answer for every possible question. Just because you may not be as dumb as Hasan doesn't mean you're right.

[@funkerman7]

​​@@RockPile_a simple question for you then. When will you grow up?

[@johnnyrotten1666]

To be honest I don't think it's H3's audience. The majority of the H3 audience actually agree with Ethan and some who were initially disagreeing with him just didn't realize they actually agree with him. I think they're starting to realize it based on how the conversations amongst the fans have been going. I've been a long time H3 fan and interact a bit within the fandom and from my perspective most fans seem like typical Bernie Sanders style social democrats.They want things like universal healthcare, education, housing etc. I think because in American politics people call Bernie Sanders a socialist and European social democracies socialist so they think well then I'm a socialist too and therefore capitalism bad. Many don't realize they're actually not socialists they're social democrats. They just initially freaked out hearing Ethan say capitalism good based on their misunderstanding. Another thing to consider is the size of the H3 audience vs how many were actually arguing for actual socialism. When Ethan first debated Dan Ethan seemed shocked at the response from chat like when he said to chat "are all you guys seriously radical communists?" A fan who's does data analysis was telling Ethan why he shouldn't pay so much attention to chat. He said during that episode 60% of comments from chat came from the same 200 people and that's with H3 averaging about 50k live viewers. It was just a tiny fraction of the live audience. The same can be said about the subreddit. Sure there were probably a dozen or more posts dragging Ethan or arguing in favor of socialism. But even though those posts had hundreds of up votes some probably 1,000+, you have to factor the amount of views the podcast gets. Not counting Leftovers with Hasan the regular H3 podcast averages about a million views per episode. So again it's just a tiny fraction of the fan base making those socialists posts on the subreddit and for sure many are Hasan fans. I just wanted to clear that up because it seems like people think the H3 fan base is full of radical socialists and from my experience it just doesn't seem like that's the case. Like I'm willing to bet if Ethan never mentioned the word capitalism and just said he wishes Bernie Sanders became president and modeled America after European social democracies there wouldn't have been an ounce of drama. Instead the entire audience would've cheered him on. Anytime Ethan says things like we need free healthcare or we should have free education, not once did the fanbase freak out and go, no it's not enough socialism is the only way. I just think they initially freaked out over Ethan saying capitalism good.

[@Healcraft]

where does food in the supermarket come from?@@RockPile_

[@saikonakoshi4334]

I swear Ethan is on a plot to get most of us back to subscribing because god damn his takes have been so fire lately.

[@irnbrewhaha]

Ethan has been more or less the same since Israel, so I don't get it. His content has evolved, some not as good. Reading the comments, it sounds like he pissed off the old fans or something and doubled-down on his position. Basically what he did here with the Hasan fans.

[@user-sp3gg7id8q]

Ethan is a hypocrisy and it's clear that he see the left wing are losing fans and the right wings are take-over on social media so he wants to sneak to right wing by sacrifice His long times budy who they always shares mindsets 😂

[@saikonakoshi4334]

@@irnbrewhaha My only gripe with Ethan, truly, is that once he strayed from h3h3 to Ethan and Hila, the content wasn't as funny. Then he switched his focus, rightfully for his own success in hindsight, to his podcast. I just miss the old h3h3 is all.

[@thegreatfapsby5786]

@@irnbrewhaha the Red pill people like to create retarded narratives and their disciples just regurgitate it over and over. It became a common thing to hear random people say that he sold out to the lefties or something. Ive been watching since the beginning and he's legitimately been the same dude. On the other hand people point to his podcast with Idubbz when it was "cool" to say the n-word, cus freedom or something, and how he has disavowed that behavior.

[@123basedddd]

are they actually fire or is hasan just that retarded?

[@paulcheenis9516]

I’d be terrified to be that Dan guy, his job became a central topic of an argument. Bro was about to lose it all

[@kristofferv]

yo whats the song at 2:30?

[@Mark_Bayer]

Hassans popularity is a sign of the sad state of critical thinking

[@tpolutts3309]

Hasan is just the streamer version of movie stars that speak about politics. 99% braindead but young fans eat it up.

[@intermediate212]

It's mainly teenagers and young adults. Once they get serious jobs and have to do adult responsibilities, they'll grow out of it.

[@zzirGuapo]

@@intermediate212 true

[@Paputsza]

ok, bud. he's hot though. Plus, he's thinking something, which is pretty rare in hot people.

[@antidave]

​@intermediate212 they are grown adults though lol and most likely work and do union work

[@Megatron5012]

its funny how i often thought ethan is dumb but sitting aside hassan he is a fucking genius.

[@user-sp3gg7id8q]

Ethan is a hypocrisy and it's clear that he see the left wing are losing fans and the right wings are take-over on social media so he wants to sneak to right wing by sacrifice His long times budy who they always shares mindsets lol

[@Cipher71]

Hasan: "we need to destroy every wheel in the world and rebuild wheels from the ground up, only shittier and less efficient" "Ok but you can build shitty wheels now" Hasan: "uhhh uhhhhh uhhhh uhhhhh"

[@classyname42]

August you're crushing the editing!

[@2nerC9]

It irritates me how Hasan does that fake "deep" voice it's so annoying.

[@blobbb]

Imagine being the top political streamer and getting steamrolled by fucking Ethan.

[@Lycanmaster]

I want to know what the song used in the intro is

[@Furvus_Mort]

I love how he remarks that Nazis werent left wing. Yet they were literally socialists. Like half of Adolf's policies, most liberals would appreciate. Massive welfare programs, guaranteed work and massive regulations on various other liberal policies. Even back in the 30's we can find liberal political figures praising him before they found out he was commiting genocide. Destiny may knock on people for being uneducated. But I wonder if that means either he's choosing to be deceitful or uneducated himself.

[@PSI441]

You do realise the first concentration camps the Nazis ever built were for socialists, right?

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

How can people still take this guy seriously after Ethan out of all people completely embarrassed him.

[@TheFoox]

Look at this dude reusing the same comment again. I guess turtles aren't known for originality.

[@southbayjay2540]

@@TheFooxI see this guy on every video I click lmao

[@wasd3108]

the light at the end of the tunnel has appeared, but not everyone can find the path to it, especially if the reason for them to enter was them being stupid to begin with

[@asmbeats5369]

​@@southbayjay2540He stalks every channel that has anything to do with Destiny.

[@MMAGamblingTips]

Turtle Bot

[@friendalex7384]

Well-known lolcow Hasan Piker saying "I like socialism with capitalist characteristics" has to be among the top 10 funniest things I have ever heard.

[@grizzly8356]

That shit caught me so off guard that I don’t even know what’s real any more

[@alinsorin3909]

My country used to be part of the eastern block, and my family lived through it. My grandparents told me how much better it used to be before the regime change. The country was out of debt, there was plenty of industry for everyone to get a job. The jobs were forced on you but by some specific factors, like how well you do in a specific subject. They were telling me that their homes were free and that they had a choice on where to live, as well as being able to move homes if they wanted to. Since they were from countryside they owned few animals and a small farm, and even though part of that food was taken away by the state, they had more than enough to give it to other neighbours or throw away because they had so much. My grandparents keep telling me that your generation will never be as free as they were because they had pretty much nothing to worry about since everything was taken care for them. After the regime changed everything changed. Now there was stress, people now had to do things one their own, otherwise they would starve to death. Outside countries started using this to take resources from the country, like gold and lumber. They wages were so low that most people migrated west, with many people who made it through universities now just cleaning toilets for the westerners. The country's population fell. Outside competition purchased and destroyed the factories of the country to destroy the competition. Corruption skyrocketed, and now the debt increased through the roof. And by the way, these are not views just from my family tree but from many more that I met, and they all dispise the new republic.

[@freeyourmind9997]

My Ukranian ancestors were purged in the dekulakization of farmers when they resisted collectivization, but all the death and despair is fine because your family had a free house.

[@alinsorin3909]

​@@freeyourmind9997I am sorry to hear that happened. I am not from Ukraine. But my point is not the house, is the fact they didn't have to work as hard as today someone needed to and managed to live a stress free life. The basic necessities that everyone needed to live were secured. Now they get more expensive by the day and the minimum salary is not able to sustain that today. The country went from a United group of people, to people trying their best to exploit others as much as possible.

[@SFUPodcast]

Every time Ethan asks a direct question like “explain the socialism you want” and Hasan breaks the world record for saying more words than anyone in 10 minutes without actually saying ANYTHING. Then Dan (Hasans Dobby) throws a Hail Mary into the weeds and gives examples of socialism in America 😂 further proving Capitalism is better and giving Ethan another W against Hasan.

[@MetalShopMagic]

It almost sounds like Hasan cannot stand being the person who's following the conversation instead of leading it. Ethan has grown on me just a tiny bit. He seems earthbound in his ideals. Edit: I find it incredibly odd how these socialists believe the CEO archetype is a greedy power-hungry PoS who abuses their employees but somehow under their views they will allow their underlings to make a "comfortable living" and the money motivator won't be as prevalent lol. As long as there's a form of currency, there's going to be this problem unless you use the government to stop it by force right?

[@pathos92]

"I think all humans deserve the right to comfort" is an easy thing to say until you are the one forced to provide it

[@lindboknifeandtool]

Or forced to give some of yours away, or a lot of it away.

[@eeyun5279]

What about “I can understand the economic law of diminishing marginal return, my billionth dollar is not worth someone else’s first”, why is that so hard for people to say?

[@j.a.6310]

@@eeyun5279 "billionth" why not millionth hmmmm?

[@Nexven]

It's funny you say that when working Americans have been asking for comfort since the first industrial revolution late 17th century and the lack of labor laws, but who was benefitting the most and who is still around now? JP Morgan, ExxonMobil previously Standard Oil. Americans have been asking for social reform since damn near the establishment of the country. Who though was pushing the agenda that the Populist Party with socialist ideas was bad for America? Hint they're still around to this day with different names.

[@doorhandledestroyer]

@@Nexvenasking for comfort and asking for the government to implement socialist ideas are two different things, and if we’re looking at raw numbers the people aren’t to fond of the latter lil bro

[@freewing3964]

August, as a viewer I should have a vote to the quality of this KZbin channel, and I'd vote to have DGG chat not be 10 seconds behind

[@walaaya2223]

In my experience with a few startups, people don’t want to spend 2+ years getting paid dirt from the “profits” of a company that you don’t even know will make it. Majority of people would rather take the salary/hourly and not take the risk. Imagine thinking a person with a family to feed would need to take a job at a small business and suffer through bad months of sales.

[@JesterAzazel]

I'm not even a socialist and I could come up with better answers. "if there's a capitalist party, by then we'll have proven that socialism works better, and they'll never win the vote. If it doesn't work better and they win, so be it, but I don't believe that will be the case."

[@tunnelsloth5948]

The thing is that a "real" socialist would never actually say that. They'd say the capitalists managed to trick the proletariat once again into voting against their interests. Any real socialist would, at the absolute least, ban such parties from existing, and otherwise would intimidate, arrest, torture, and/or kill them.

[@duckpotat9818]

Or just say they can get elected but the constitution will limit what they can do

[@Robisquick]

That is a better answer than Hasan gave.. But that has a presumption baked into it. The question is, in a socialist world, if there is a counter-revolutionary persuasive leader who starts gaining traction and a capitalist party sprouts up and gains major momentum (which is a reasonable likelihood), how would the state deal with those dissidents to maintain the socialist structure from toppling. You can’t presume that “well it’ll have worked so well that it won’t matter”. That doesn’t answer the possibility that there might be a large group who might be persuaded that there could be an even better system, which happens all the time.

[@JesterAzazel]

@@Robisquick Aren't you also baking an assumption into your question? All I'm doing is the same thing you're doing, assuming "my side" will be more persuasive in this hypothetical. >which is a reasonable likelihood If someone is confident in socialism, then they shouldn't believe that. They should believe that once "true socialism" is implemented, people will prefer it over capitalism. If they don't believe that, then why even be a socialist?

[@Robisquick]

Not quite, Ethan straight up asked, what if there is a capitalist uprising. Meaning what if enough people aren't convinced about the current model of socialism. Because Hasan is trying to pursuade or justify why socialism would work better than the current system, the onus is on Hasan to ensure that his model has accounted for realistic contingencies. Therefore, Hasan can't make an assumption and neatly answer a question with "well it'll be so good that an uprising wouldn't happen".. cause that begs the question, "In what way will the system ensure that satisfaction is met to the standard of eliminating uprising?"... See how the answer doesn't actually provide further information to justify socialism but rather just begs the question? @@JesterAzazel