Destiny And Lawyer React To Cops Arrest Special Agent Bodycam

Destiny reacts to an AuditTheAudit video of an ATF agent arrest gone wrong with Pisco95 who recently passed the bar, congrats!
Date: 30 Oct, 2021
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0:25 - ATA video start
26:10 - Lawyer joins stream to react together
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[@destiny]

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[@rabblerabbleroar9005]

August. You misspelled "breathe," ❤️

[@filipthedev4159]

Stephen, the caller told the cops that he was an agent and provided his id

[@wyattoutlaw2370]

Everyone thinks they’re cowboys in the Wild West.

[@rtmordecai1]

The best thing this ATF agent could have done is call the local police and ask for a car to be there for the warrant. I have no idea if that a common practice but the whole brouhaha would have been impossible if he had.

[@nicememes7570]

Vaush: sumbit to the mob Destiny: submit to the cops have rights later

[@Blank-41]

Imagine an ATF agent shows up to confiscate your weapon, you call the cops and they show up taze and arrest the agent and your just like.. "nice".

[@ogzombieblunt4626]

ATF feds deserve it

[@BorkieOmnominous]

Yeah but then they just send a different agent one week later xD

[@swellerballoon7]

yup #abolishatf

[@thenjry]

You're just like "nice" meanwhile your dog is just like "jesus, thank god!"

[@ivanprihhodko2278]

Local police protecting and serving.

[@fungdark8270]

“I was trying to give you my CREDS!” Needs to be a dono sound

[@m.czandogg9576]

It really really does lol. Genuinely a great idea.

[@saulkid7232]

Accompanied by an appropriate soyjack

[@Awaken_To_0]

Bump

[@benjaminratthe9904]

Bump

[@JeyPeyy]

38:44 I love it

[@Bai_Su_Zhen]

New meta crim strat in the US: 1) When cops are after you, call the cops against the cops who you have already called against the other cops who you called against the other cops. 2) Watch the shitshow unfold. Pepelaugh

[@DahVoozel]

Call local PD on the ATF, ICE on the local PD and Staties on ICE?

[@ryanmorris6388]

And dominos delivery just to see their face

[@chanr9531]

Oh nonono the cops lack critical information PepeLaugh

[@WanderTheNomad]

Exploit a bug in the game until the devs are forced to fix it

[@cincinnatislider]

“Alcohol tobacco and firearms… what else does y’all sell?” - Ali G

[@shoeby9273]

Ali G is still SBC best character.

[@wyattoutlaw2370]

Which one is the best… and how much?

[@cincinnatislider]

You know dolphins is smart like humans. Why doesn’t you use dem to sniff out da drugs?

[@tima6044]

Or the part on religion where the pastor tells him Jesus was born in the stable because the inns might be full and he immediately says: "That's cuz its Christmas innit?" He's way too quick and way too clever.

[@realeques]

Oh I miss those

[@fran13r]

This might be a lil mean to say, but the arresting officer seems like a nervous wreck and I would feel safer in a world where he is sitting at a desk doing paperwork all day.

[@bigdadybojangls9219]

I think police culture naturally turns these guys into nervous wrecks. Every single day people are like “hey officer… YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN SOMEONE IS GONNA PULL A GUN ON YOU AND BLOW YOUR FUCKIN BRAINS ALL OVER THE SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY! AND IMAGINE TOO, YOUR WIFE AND CHILD JUST HAPPEN TO BE DRIVING BY AS SOON AS IT HAPPENS! IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT OFFICER?! YOU WANT YOUR WIFE AND CHILD TO WATCH YOU GET YOUR FUCKIN BRAINS SPLATTERED ALL OVER SIDEWALK? YOUR CHILD WILL END UP ON DRUGS AND IN PRISON FOR IT AND YOUR WIFES GONNA KILL HERSELF FOR IT!” I’d be a nervous wreck too if people were constantly telling me I’m faced with death every day. Despite my job being less deadly than that of a pizza delivery guy

[@fran13r]

@@bigdadybojangls9219 That's pretty true, I wish we had a system that could figure out the kind of people who are mentally strong enough to NOT be nervous wrecks in the face of all that fear mongering, those should be the cops. An institution whose whole purpose is assigning people to the job they can most optimally perform could be pretty cool.

[@voszvaivaldtkoszikovokh6418]

or behind bars

[@davidh4653]

I am an attorney (although not your attorney, standard "this is not legal advice" disclaimers apply). The answer your question at 31:01 Destiny, is that yes, in practice, if the use of force sufficiently escalates, a detainment effectively turns into an arrest. As for how this will often work (at least in the states where I am licensed, YMMV), it is illegal to refuse to obey a lawful order (e.g., in Georgia, where I practice, it's O.C.G.A. 50-16-16). So, while you may only have reasonable suspicion of some other crime at the time you are detaining someone, if they refuse to obey an lawful order, the officer would have probable cause to arrest them for refusing obey a lawful order, even if they don't have probable cause for the initial crime. Essentially, a detainment to investigate crime A turns into an arrest for crime B because the officer observed crime B being committed while trying to investigate crime A. They can then sort everything out after the arrest, which is what seems to have happened here. Now, whether the officer was justified in pointing the gun at the federal agent right from the start (as opposed to having his hand on the gun, or just having it drawn) is much more complicated, as use of force laws with respect to deadly force, while being pretty similar at a high level, has nuances that vary widely from state to state and some of those nuances might be in play for this particular case. BTW, thanks for helping flip Georgia blue. If you're ever here again helping with election stuff and need volunteers, I'll try and make time to help out.

[@uxaenarrhythmia1483]

The problem that often arises in cases like you mention, people obeying a lawful order, is that the definition of what makes an order Lawful is vague. It seems as if this is intentionally so. My understanding is that officers seem to think any order they give is a Lawful one. I often see this abused as an officer gives any order they deem it lawful, even when it isn't, and then use that as justification to escalate or make arrests.

[@PuddingXXL]

@@uxaenarrhythmia1483 While you might have a point. In the situation at hand the officer did provide a lawful order in the moment. It's not for the civilian to decide if it is lawful or not. A court has to do this after proceedings and you can then file a claim against the department as a civilian. Wether or not an order is actually lawful or not you have to obey said order (depending on the state) and file a complaint afterwards.

[@davidh4653]

@@uxaenarrhythmia1483 I agree that this is an issue that comes up in practice. Especially since, if they give an order that turns out to be unlawful, that in most cases they would be protected by qualified immunity from civil liability. This is how it works however, like it or not. A police encounter in the field is not really the ideal place to argue with them about whether the order is lawful. This is especially the case when the police are responding with outside information you may not be privy to, even if that information turns out to be false or mistaken. Whether or not you should continue to openly disobey what you think is an unlawful order is situational. For something like what happened in this video, the ATF agent likely should've obeyed the orders. The police was clearly open to figuring out whether he was a federal agent, but only after securing the scene. The order was likely lawful, but even if it wasn't, had the ATF agent complied, that could be sorted out later. Other than his pride being hurt, there was really no good reason not to comply. The question might get answered differently if the order was for a bystander to stop filming a police encounter. In that situation, the video being recorded might be necessary to prove the order was unlawful, or to document other unlawful acts. In that case, I can understand why someone might risk arrest in order to disobey what may be an unlawful order.

[@davidh4653]

@@PuddingXXL I generally agree, although with the caveats I detail in my other reply to Uxaen. There are some situations, such as orders from the police to stop filming a police encounter, where defiance of the order may be necessary to prevail on holding the officers accountable after the fact. So, as with all legal questions, the real answer is "it depends."

[@PuddingXXL]

@@davidh4653 Agreed fully. I was more focused on the legal circumstances regardless of if an arrest is actually justified. Obviously you shouldn't just comply with anything but in the bounds of common sense I'd think that people could likely determine that themselves.

[@joshunderwood9975]

Did Destiny not pay attention to the first 10 seconds of the rewatch? The lady even told dispatch the dudes badge number. Wouldn't that be a big flag to just ask his name upon arrival and matching that to the number given? Lol

[@chriscopley7265]

That take would require not being ideologically motivated to always take the side of LEOs because you hate lefties.

[@ProperlyGaming]

Destiny has huge weak point, and that's hating anybody further left than him and defending things that they hate. He will jump through hoops defending cops so that key information probably went over his head while thinking of ways he'd defend the cop before seeing any of their wrong doing

[@deanteegarden]

This was what I caught as well. The fist thing dispatch should've done was check the information given to see if it was legitimate. They could've even sent officers on scene just to observe and be ready in case they didn't check out, and to witness the commission of a crime. Otherwise that would've been great cooperation on the part of the police to serve as support for the ATF agent. That being said, the ATF agent was misguided in not just playing along with the officers. His actions hurt his case going forward, damaged his physical ability to carry out his job (apparently), and certainly hurt his case against that department.

[@XelnasTV]

@@chriscopley7265 you know.... that the ATF is a LEO... right?

[@chriscopley7265]

@@XelnasTV do you think that ATF agents and what people colloquially call "LEOs" are the same? Do you think the connotation there is generally understood as the same? Genuinely curious

[@Marqrk]

I give Destiny an F for failing to hear how the officers were given the badge number to run but they just didn’t and ran in guns drawn

[@mjenkins91]

And constantly framing it as a break in call. Which obviously isn’t the case as soon as the cops get there

[@RstGamingReviews]

​@@mjenkins91 Lol

[@CocytusFrost]

even if they didnt run the numbers the guy couldve just done what they asked him to do, kekw

[@mbd251]

This is more the dispatchers fault, (according to the video) they say the caller read the badge number, but it doesnt say whether the officers on the scene were aware of that, but if they were then they were 100% in the wrong. Also the cop even says he thinks it's an attempt to impersonate an officer, so even if they did run the badge number it doesn't quite matter if it matches a real badge. And the video portrayed it as an attempted break in so the confusion on destiny's part there makes sense

[@bairhall]

@@CocytusFrost bet you said the same thing about george floyd, what a shit argument

[@RendingRapier]

Imagine only getting a C- for pulling your weapon on someone showing no signs of aggression within the first 5 seconds of encountering them.

[@jacobedwards4747]

@@happymolecule8894 Yeah you probably think that because you watch news headlines lol.

[@s-tierkeyboardwarrior-lvl4686]

I agree that he graded them too generously, but I think it'd be more fair to mention that the ATF guy was allegedly suspected of a "break-in" and "impersonation". Once they arrived on the scene they should've scoped things out before announcing their presence and they would've realized things were calmer than they initially expected. ATF guy responded to their escalation way to aggressively as well, though part of that is the cops fault too. Final Score: ATF: D Police: D- Honestly I think both could've done worse

[@kamarpeets8756]

The cops got an F, the ATF agent was the one who got the C-

[@WanderTheNomad]

@@jacobedwards4747 Or you can just watch footage like the one in this video a couple dozen times

[@WanderTheNomad]

@@kamarpeets8756 I think OP is referring to the grades that Destiny gave

[@Dildonion]

8:05 Hey Destiny i am a retired cop/veteran (My picture is me in uniform) and you are correct the officer on the scene is considered a POC (point of contact) officer they are the ones who give instructions. There was a recent video 2 different cops giving 2 different directions at the same time and the man choosing to follow one of the officers directions made the other cop shoot which then led the other cop whos directions the man followed to then shoot as well. The instruction was keep your hands on the cars and get on the ground. The man took his hands off the car so he can get on the ground and he was shot instantly for doing this. There are a lot of bad and poorly trained cops out there. I would also like to add this cop had a power trip but so did the federal agent. The cop escalated the situation where just keeping your distance and having him show his hands was advisable he could of asked for proof and identification and have him slowly take it out of his pocket or even had the man for the cops safety lean against the wall (This way it would be hard to attack the officer in close range) while the officer searches him. I watch your videos and it always pains me that i don't watch your streams when you cover cop issues because i have all the training and experience that others do not and i might be able to offer a good perspective. I am also not some MAGA guy i have high standards for cops to do and act in accordance with their training. Sometimes i will defend cops when appropriate and other times i will defend the citizens.

[@swashbuckler2319]

I know there's a lot of bs about ACAB and everything, but I just wanna thank you for keeping your chin up and being one of the good guys. It may not seem like that right now, but there are people who appreciate cops who are good at what they're supposed to do.

[@jamesbarnett6772]

you should watch Vaush's take on police, he always has good takes

[@Dildonion]

@@swashbuckler2319 for every 10 comments I get on channels like police activity where I try to explain situations and point out what cops did right or wrong I always get hate from the opposing side calling me a fake cop from uneducated people who are unhappy I don’t support there political view point ( this should have nothing to do with politics). I always get 1 comment out of those 10 like your and it is always appreciated and makes it all worth it. Thank you very much.

[@Dildonion]

@@jamesbarnett6772 I watched the one on Vaush and destiny police vs social worker. Honestly i feel both men were right on that one. I personally fear social workers more than cops. I had problems younger because my mother and aunt are therapists and they the craziest people i ever met My ex girlfriends mom was a therapist to and she literally tried to murder me by stabbing me to death. Whenever i got into any disagreement with my mother her go to was get social workers involved. Which forced me into overnight hospitals or other facilities with actual crazy people. So i do not trust them. However i am sure more people mistrust the police but Destiny is right in saying a significant portion might be afraid of a social worker more.

[@Dildonion]

@@sepulcher8263 Yes i agree it is terribly frustrating and toxic but i try my hardest to try and educate people and hopefully give people a clear understanding of situations as a whole not just a civilian or police perspective. For every 1 comment that is open minded is about 10 comments that are exactly what you said but i do it for those 1 comments. So thank you i appreciate it. Also how would the best way to get in touch with Destiny be since i am new to watching him. If he does not have any cop friends i am always down to talk about police procedures etc if it would help educate people on his stream. I just also don't want to over step and push myself on him.

[@StaggersonJagz]

So anybody can call the cops for any reason and the cops have zero responsibility for making a mistake? That means anyone can use the cops as a weapon.

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

Get bodied neighbor

[@bobberry1463]

So it a tricky thing to control it a federal crime to call the police to weaponize them against someone buy at the same time you don't want people to feel scared to call the police.

[@TR13400]

What mistake do you think the cops made here? The only mistake was by the federal agent not complying with the investigation of the possible crime he was suspected of.

[@ManicPandaz]

All stupidity aside, this is also good evidence of how deescalation is useful and how anyone can act badly when confronted with cops acting like this in this situation. You can turn any argument third party into a fight by showing up and then escalating the aggression levels.

[@yyny0]

As a non-American, I don't understand at all why this cop pulls his gun within 5 seconds of arriving. Even if this guy had a gun and could be considered dangerous (And I see no reason to believe this), this guy had his hands in clear view the whole time, and walked into the light as soon as he could. In any other country, being this confrontational as a police officer would immediately lead to pages of paperwork.

[@Marqrk]

@@yyny0 because a lot of US cops are kept high strung constantly by being trained to assume the worst in every situation. It’s a real problem

[@thenayancat8802]

@@yyny0 100%, this kind of behaviour is absolutely insane to me. Guy had his hands open and was responding calmly. There's absolutely no reason to try turning it into a shootout.

[@arthurgoonie4596]

@@Marqrk I hope you realise that more cops get killed in the line of duty than black men get killed by cops.

[@willtownsend1879]

@@arthurgoonie4596 what a brave statement

[@ANunes06]

This does just feel like an ego-off between a dumb fed and a bunch of roided out locals. But every time I see LEOs act this way around other LEOs, I can't help but wonder if they do it because they trust each other even less than we trust them.

[@abdulmohsenalmohammedi732]

LEOs? what does that mean

[@foxsotired3038]

@@abdulmohsenalmohammedi732 law enforcement officer

[@abdulmohsenalmohammedi732]

@@foxsotired3038 thanks

[@freeman7079]

Bingo

[@abirch2014]

Yeah, if the LEO approaches spooked, then you’re going to spook the other person too. And then it’s just everyone one upping each other.

[@GrizzlyBarrett4]

“I can’t breath” on the thumbnail? Come on August, you’re getting paid fat $ and you can’t even spell check the thumbnail smh

[@TapDat52K]

This comment needs more likes so it actually gets fixed.

[@ollejohansson6572]

Wait what's wrong with it?

[@ollejohansson6572]

Nvm i figured it out, its breathe

[@mad_1307]

Said he was there for impersonation of a cop not a break in. The caller told them his badge number Immediately after asking for the agent’s ID tells him to get on the ground with his gun out

[@christianfox7431]

Yeah this was really stupid and completely avoidable.

[@tuxedomaskkenny925]

It was more likely incompetence on the dispatchers end - yes it was said that the lady gave the dispatcher the cops number but you also have to assume she gave the dispatcher the guys description. Nothing here tells me the dispatcher actually gave the cop the number probably because they assumed it wasn’t a cop based on the description.

[@christianfox7431]

@@tuxedomaskkenny925 based on what description? The description where the narrator said that the women calling 911 gave them the feds badge number or some other description?

[@MrAzul132]

True. And even if he wasn't given the badge number and genuinely thought that he was attempting to break in by impersonating a fed, why was he so agro right off the jump? The fed was complying, not attempting to run, and was overall pretty chill before the cop escalated it to a 10 by drawing his weapon.

[@tuxedomaskkenny925]

@@christianfox7431 the one where the cop looked nothing like a cop - a dispatchers will ask for a description of the suspect. Which happened to not look like a cop - I believe the dispatcher thought it was safe to assume it wasn’t a cop and disregarded the number entirely.

[@whyareyoubothering]

One thing everyone overlooks. The lady named off the agent’s number during the call. The police could have followed up on identifying him with that. The lady was shown valid ID. The police refused to see it. That’s why they are in the wrong. His ID was available and absolutely no one cared.

[@Zach0451]

Yet another reason for the fed to comply with orders; you're dealing with people who might not care about the details of your situation

[@whyareyoubothering]

@@Zach0451 for sure but for the sake of why the law would be on his side (in court) is they had the info and ignored it down the telephone line.

[@Mukna132]

@@Zach0451 It's the police officers role to de-escalate, not the civilians.

[@Zach0451]

@@Mukna132 Yes, but a cop cannot de-escalate when a civilian escalates. The cop has to escalate above them to neutralize them proportionate to the threat they pose. How does this not make sense to you?

[@Mukna132]

@@Zach0451 At what point was the ATF officer the ESCALATING force in this scenario? When he didn't comply? I'm sorry but not complying when the first interaction with the officer is having a gun drawn on you does not make him the escalating factor here. Do you understand what de-escalation means?

[@francisxavier8374]

yeah, you probably have to comply with cops, even if you're a fed but holy shit, cops being experts at de-escalation once again

[@Oskar1000]

"He should have had his badge upp when I came here", but you approached gun cocked at a 10m distance... how would you have read the badge?

[@DrJasonTorn]

‘The caller read the atf officers badge number to the dispatcher’….

[@lordhelix2760]

Depending on the location, not all dispatchers are call takers. So it's very possible a situation where the woman gave the info to the call taker, call taker could have never given the number to the dispatcher or did give it but the dispatcher didn't recognize the number and assumed it was someone impersonating an officer. So it's completely plausible all the officers knew was "someone is trying to break in, and they are impersonating a police officer"

[@groundrunner752]

Police Dispatcher here...we also don't necessarily have any immediate way of verifying a Federal LEO from our local agency. It usually takes a request between each agencies Public Records department to verify the agent. Also it is NOT hard at all to get a LEO's badge number and go around using it.

[@lordhelix2760]

@@groundrunner752 yeah that's something i asked my roommate about. I was always curious and found it super weird that y'all system wasn't all linked together so every cop would be in one data base

[@DrJasonTorn]

Let’s look at this reasonably. When the call came in - the caller gave the purported officers badge number. Regardless of verification - the dispatch relayed that info to the officer on site (that the caller provided the purported officers badge number). Agreed - numbers can be faked. Reused. It’s not realistic for it to be verified. Agreed on all points. But given that this info was relayed - the PD still comes in SUPER hot. Its somewhat understandable given he’s armed - but once he’s subdued and cuffed - why the attitude? Check his creds. What’s with the Dick attitude? It’s just dumb and ego driven. They didn’t like him not being completely subservient. So they fucked with him.

[@lordhelix2760]

@@DrJasonTorn both parties where completely ego driven. The ATF agent should have immediately complied, but didn't. And the officers should have not gone in gun blazing. And tbh they shouldn't have dry stunned, that was most certainly over reach. The attitude afterwards makes sense to me tbh. It's the same reason I can get done with dealing with a shitty customer and go in the back and talk about how shitty they were in the back.

[@Timmah119]

“Despite the fact that they read the dispatcher the agents badge number” That dispatcher either didn’t give af enough to convey the msg or it takes like 2hr to pull a badge number from the database. Either way sheeeesh!

[@BlooCollaGal]

Little column A little column B Local PD doesn't exactly keep a full roster of ATF agents.

[@TriFekt]

They probably would for local ones though

[@BlooCollaGal]

@@TriFekt Who knows? I've never tried going to the police station and asking if they can print me out a list of local federal agents.

[@Cryptogram44]

Can confirm it takes roughly 2 minutes to run an ID at most, not two hours

[@dylansevitt]

Where do you they say that the dispatch had the ID number? I only heard them saying he told his number to the caller. It's unclear the cops knew the badge number.

[@prohealer3398]

Once they had him in cuffs there’s no reason they couldn’t have checked his creds

[@bc74sj]

The dispatcher had the badge number before they even showed up.

[@groundrunner752]

@@bc74sjPolice Dispatcher here...even with a potential badge number, we don't necessarily have a way of verifying it immediately. Federal agencies and local Police agencies have different internal systems for validating LEO's and it takes time going through each agencies department's before verifying. I will say it's very common and best practice that MOST Federal agencies conducting investigations or warrants will contact the local police agency prior to make them aware they will be in their jurisdiction to avoid situations just like this. From my experience with my department, Destiny has the most reasonable take on this situation. It's easy to impersonate a LEO and obtain a fraudulent badge. It was definitely an ego matches between these 3 and shouldn't have blown up as it did.

[@bc74sj]

@@groundrunner752 Destiny gives C- to citizens who Audit the Audit give As to. Of course as a police dispatcher you are going to agree with him lol. But yes, COMPLY is easiest, but as shown over and over again, it's the police breaking /not knowing the law.

[@lopeter6663]

Ok, so we start off assuming that they want to get the agent on the ground so they can check his id without having him reach into his pocket, reasonable. But then when they finally get him in cuffs, why aren't they checking it? Why do you need to taze the person, shove them into a car and call more people, instead of just taking a look at the fucking id? And then later the cop says first thing he should have already had his badge out, but he started the whole confrontation by saying "let me see your hands" immediately followed by "let me see your id, get on the ground now". Does the cop want the agent to use telekinesis to get his id out of the pocket, while keeping his hands up and getting on the ground? What even? For me it just seems like an agent with probably too big of an ego, and some cops messing around, wasting time, while calling even more people there, wasting their time too, talking dumb shit to each other, instead of just reaching into his pocket to check his id. Their whole reason to not do it is just "well you had your chance buddy". It just seems so petty and dumb to me.

[@chronographer]

Pretty sure cops are taught to issue many contradictory commands to confuse their target - that or they are just really dumb. Plus it enables you to say they were 'passively resisting' and 'not complying with commands' no matter what they do. That covers any use of force and absolves all liability.

[@Mayurbhedru]

No you only check if after you contained him fully. Like putting him in car and locking.

[@aleczitzelberger8123]

It’s almost like a lot of cops are morons that barely got their GED

[@ProperlyGaming]

21 states in our lovely country with definitely no fucked policing issues don't require deescalation training. How tf people who have that much power and the ability to end your life strapped to their hip whilst there on duty aren't required to get through deescalati8n training is beyond me

[@MrfunnyNacho]

@@chronographer N..no. It's just literally what happens when a human being has the job of being a cop. They make mistakes like this when they're not thinking tactfully. Armchair experts like you end up in comment sections or on news channels thinking its as easy in real life than they think it is to remember every single detail, or know the right words to every single interaction. This multi-commands happen a lot more when you now introduce multiple people with different personalities all making a call on where they want the situation to go.

[@Fiendishfoe666]

They did have his badge number, the nice reasonable lady refusing to open the door gave dispatcher his badge number when she called 911. Maybe you wouldn't have missed this minute detail if you didn't run the videos at 2x the speed, and maybe these poodunks could have avoided this lawsuit had they reached out to ATF before Officer Doofy showed up on the scene guns ablazing.

[@WanderTheNomad]

I don't think the 2x speed was the reason Destiny missed that detail

[@jaimerivas9727]

@@WanderTheNomadlikely the need to be contrarian

[@thepoofster2251]

Lol, how long do you think it takes to look up federal agents? Go back to CSI Miami cause there is no database you can query to tell who the fed is. Things take time, if he is a criminal, you do not have time. Please refer to reality before posting

[@mchealy90]

God those cops were the absolute worst. Could have all been resolved by just talking to a guy. Instead, they immediately draw guns and start shouting, trying to assume a position of authority that they do not have. Kind of ironic for that one guy to say that the ATF agent "should be ashamed of himself," while acting in an absolutely despicable and shameful way throughout the entire interaction.

[@JP-gp9zr]

As a lawyer, it's funny that the more into Pisco's legal studies, his opinions have become less and less certain. YES!!!!! One of us, one of us, one of us! It depends, it depends, it depends!....

[@Lachronix]

Is law school THAT hard?

[@aydenr5467]

@@Lachronix lawyers will be replaced with AI within 50 years, they just regurgitate case law.

[@gamingwhilebroken2355]

@@aydenr5467 I think it’d be easier to list what won’t be replaced by AI on 50 to 100 years

[@KristoKorps]

The guy convinced me when he said "no, you screwed up, he bad" HE BAD

[@dekuwashi]

The agent was arguing because the local police were fucking up his job, the person he was supposed to be taking the gun from probably has a huge opportunity to hide any weapons if this was a surprise visit and it's a major waste of his time considering he willingly handed his information to the caller who gave it to dispatch, + he had no visible signs of aggression or any visible weapons, why start the encounter with a gun out???

[@WanderTheNomad]

I wonder how Destiny would respond to this. He didn't seem to bring up this perspective at all.

[@lb52person69]

Destiny analyzes these from some broader narrative point he is trying to make. You have to disregard the actual situation and enter his vacuum of absolutely best intentions and assumed communication breakdowns. From what i can tell, he got black pilled because of some lefty BLM narratives so you kind of have to leave your brain at the door and enter Destiny's cop interaction reality. "It MAY be the case... yada yada yada", "well what DID dispatch say cause if they told him... yada yada yada", "Well what SHOULD they do if they were told this terrible framing of the situation based on my pure speculation..". The point isnt to come to some concrete determination or look at the facts in a systematic way, its to cast doubt on situations spreading overwhelmingly negative portrayals of police officers. I think it comes off a little desperate with videos like this one but i can see why he feels compelled to do that.

[@edwardrichard8093]

It doesn't matter what the agents job was. The officers got called there because there was someone "impersonating" a federal agent. That's the information he's working on. Do you expect him to just believe him and risk his life not taking precautions?

[@thequeenundisputed]

Tbf, we have no idea what she told dispatch on the phone. We know at the very least she said there is someone impersonating an officer at her door that is trying to break in. That already is enough cause for a police officer to be expecting a possible showdown upon arrival. She could have said he was armed, or that he was trying to forcibly remove her weapon from her - both of which are probably 100% true and accurate to say. Then there's the possibility that she flat out lied or exaggerated to get him off her back. I can think of a lot of situations in which the responding officers would be on edge upon arrival. I still think they 100% escalated way, way too quickly, and I think it was nearly entirely due to their own inflated ego.

[@yuikol14]

Hiding the guns wouldn't matter if he didn't have a warrant.

[@CaptainDerty]

Guy immediately points gun at agent destiny: “just chill out!” “He’s so dramatic”

[@karthain5742]

Right off the bat Destiney misconstrues the situation. ATA just stated that the caller gave the dispatcher the ATF agents name and badge number. But destiny says, “all the cops know is that it was reported as a break in and who knows what other information was given.“ Completely missed it. And then later in the video, Destiny says, “it was reported someone was impersonating a police officer.“ That was never said. He’s being so dishonest and disingenuous here. I think he knows he’s wrong, but he’s trying to save face to his audience. So he has to add faults information into his argument to make it seem correct. This is gaslighting at its best. Also, having an extremely inexperienced lawyer on to try to support his opinion is complete bullshit. Not only should he get someone in that has experience, but has experience in this type of law. This whole thing is just a con.

[@deanteegarden]

This was what I caught as well. The fist thing dispatch should've done was check the information given to see if it was legitimate. They could've even sent officers on scene just to observe and be ready in case they didn't check out, and to witness the commission of a crime. Otherwise that would've been great cooperation on the part of the police to serve as support for the ATF agent. That being said, the ATF agent was misguided in not just playing along with the officers. His actions hurt his case going forward, damaged his physical ability to carry out his job (apparently), and certainly hurt his case against that department.

[@dw3134]

Wasn't it said that the cops were dispatched as if it were an attempted break in?

[@lawsonharrison6927]

Damn your right. I think you could chalk that up to that dispatch/CO should have checked the badge number. Buuuut also if I were a cop and responded to a possible fed impersonator I would assume that if they were infact a fed they wouldnt be a moron, understand the situation and comply. If the choice is to respond to the call or wait while you check the badge number, you respond to the call. Your right though Destiny did miss that.

[@FlatEarthTheory]

Holy shit, you need to touch grass. Destiny definitely fucked up here and because of that made false assumptions, but implying he's behaving like Vaush is insane.

[@ChoppersRevenge]

Didn't the cop literally say "we got a call about someone impersonating an officer" dafuq are you talkin about

[@mjenkins91]

Destiny is just uninformed here. This has been a topic multiple times in A the A’s videos. There’s little distinction between arrests and detainments. But lawsuits have been won for “bad arrests” where the person was never technically /arrested/ just detained. It doesn’t matter to the court what the officers CALL the seizure of your body- just that they cuffed you and held you. Or moved you.

[@silashernandez2779]

1.) You, as a LEO, cannot run a Federal Agent Identification card instantly. It can take 20 minutes, or even hours. Even if the badge came back instantly as legitimate, it doesn't mean it's him (stolen badge) 2.) When the first officer arrived on scene, he gave a lawful order for the ATF agent to get on the ground, which he did not comply and had a fit, also outright saying "no" 3.) If somebody is impersonating an officer, it is highly likely they have a firearm. 4.) When you are a local LEO, almost every encounter you have with a Federal Agent, they are going to have a partner with them or going to have their badge out. The cops were not professional, hotheaded, and acted very ego driven, but they were carrying out their duties in the extent they are allowed and expected to.

[@mjenkins91]

@@silashernandez2779 saying they were “allowed” to do what they did doesn’t mean much given that we give police huge amounts of latitude in their procedures. There context that can’t be ignored. He didn’t have to immediately order him down. He could’ve said keep your hands away from your waist and explain what’s going on. Police talk to people they KNOW have a weapon all the time and don’t disarm them. Let alone scream at them and essentially beat them. Thirty seconds of conversation and they would’ve been able to tell he was legit. If he was the least bit unconvinced he could’ve said “hands on your head I’m gonna take your weapon until we confirm you’re atf” there’s a lot that could’ve been done differently. I defend police all the time. Rittenhouse too. But this was just egregious. And if you didn’t think this was wrong you probably have never had bad dealings with the police where they just wouldn’t listen to you u til you bent the knee for them.

[@TriFekt]

This is mostly a failure of dispatch. They were given a name and badge number they could easily run before ever even arriving on scene. And both destiny and the other guy completely missed that at the very start of the video.

[@groundrunner752]

Police Dispatcher here...we don't have access to Federal Databases for all federal agents for obvious reasons. We have no way of verifying another agencies LEO immediately. It's takes time and usually a few phone calls at the very least.

[@silashernandez2779]

1.) You, as a LEO, cannot run a Federal Agent Identification card instantly. It can take 20 minutes, or even hours. Even if the badge came back instantly as legitimate, it doesn't mean it's him (stolen badge) 2.) When the first officer arrived on scene, he gave a lawful order for the ATF agent to get on the ground, which he did not comply and had a fit, also outright saying "no" 3.) If somebody is impersonating an officer, it is highly likely they have a firearm. 4.) When you are a local LEO, almost every encounter you have with a Federal Agent, they are going to have a partner with them or going to have their badge out. The cops were not professional, hotheaded, and acted very ego driven, but they were carrying out their duties in the extent they are allowed and expected to.

[@casscody3488]

This "my way or the highway" attitude from the cops is really cancerous. You don't need to go through the whole power trip of "Get in the car, we'll talk about it later". You have him in cuffs, grab his ID and confirm is fucking identity. They literally just wanna argue and feel right, which is why they're trying to dunk on him like "You didn't show me your ID" and "Oh NOW you don't have any medical issues". It's pretty clear

[@rocketrelm1125]

Yeah, the "oh now you don't have any medical issues" is, purposely or not, them misunderstanding the situation. The federal officer was saying he was being choked and struggling, and in response they said "we'll get you a medic". He said "i don't need a medic I need you to stop *choking me*, and in response they're like "oh so you don't have a problem lololol".

[@MythXuriu]

I always wondered why the police in the us is so crazy, destiny looked it up: maximum training 6 months?! Thats a fucking joke.

[@LesterBrunt]

I am not in my 12th week of music at university and It is crazy to think this would already be halfway and I am just studying music, how can that be more complicated than being a cop?

[@Justin_GFM]

You should see the amount of training that it needs to train the "world's most elite conventional military force", the US Marines: 13 weeks. May sound short but there's actually a bunch of time afterwards to do your job training, which extends that 13 weeks way out. This is also the same with police. After the police academy, there's your FTO and probationary period which can last between 1-2 years after the academy. Specific example, FBI special agents have a 20 week academy and a 2 year probationary period. I wouldn't expect a foreigner to know this detail about the probationary period if they're reading news media outlets so I don't blame you for describing it as a joke

[@muskepticsometimes9133]

Actually US training not that bad. Can it be improved? Sure. One issue is money. Training costs money Another issue is natural talent. Being a cop is hard and many people would not make good cops Both these are hurt by the two "de": demonize n refund. Another problem is poor vetting. The cop who shot Justine Diamond should never been given a badge. He was not a bad person just not meant to be cop.

[@sjewitt22]

@@muskepticsometimes9133 America is the richest country in the world, you bimbo.

[@muskepticsometimes9133]

@@sjewitt22 per Capita we are near top. But regardless calling cops evil is stupid. Example in Mpls some city buildings banned cops from using restrooms. Such ignorant prejudice harks back to Jim Crow

[@abirch2014]

Don’t agree with you on this take. Cops are going in gun blazing. Other than the 911 call you have no idea of the situation. He should’ve got there, waited for backup so he could have control of the situation (he was what 10 seconds behind). Then have a calm calm conversation without guns raised. Once you’re looking at possible death, everyone gets tense and emotional. It then became a war of egos. The officer should do as much as they can to stop that from happening.

[@m.czandogg9576]

Big disagree, the cop knew from dispatch that it was a possible "breaking and entering" (or something akin to that) in progress; there wasn't time to wait for backup when the threat was, as far as the officer was informed, imminent. I'll concede that the cops were probably too rough on the guy since, IIRC they had him handcuffed.

[@abirch2014]

@@m.czandogg9576 So the officer arrives to the scene. He has the prior knowledge that this might be a b&e. But you get there and don’t see any visual evidence of it (at least from what we can see from the POV we’re given). Is this really a breaking and entering scene? To me it doesn’t seem like that. Also isn’t it better to take a check of the environment before going in like that? Unless there was an active shooter situation, wouldn’t it be safer for both you ( the officer) and the public to have the manpower to be able to take proper control of the situation?

[@penjamin1479]

I mean, he did say that the cop might have escalated too quickly by showing up gun in hand when the guy's hands were in plain view.

[@pauldoporto6811]

@@m.czandogg9576 No.The cop here was on a massive ego trip and just couldn’t stand for anyone to disobey him.Had he really wanted to clear up the situation,he would have checked the agent’s ID when he had him cuffed.

[@RamzaBeoulves]

@@m.czandogg9576 Not breaking and entering. It was possible impersonation of an officer. The dispatcher even gave him the number on the guy's badge. There was no imminent threat.

[@aydenr5467]

Hey Destiny, remember when you said that police's job is to ALWAYS de-escalate the situation. This didn't look like de-escalation to me.

[@silashernandez2779]

1.) You, as a LEO, cannot run a Federal Agent Identification card instantly. It can take 20 minutes, or even hours. Even if the badge came back instantly as legitimate, it doesn't mean it's him (stolen badge) 2.) When the first officer arrived on scene, he gave a lawful order for the ATF agent to get on the ground, which he did not comply and had a fit, also outright saying "no" 3.) If somebody is impersonating an officer, it is highly likely they have a firearm. 4.) When you are a local LEO, almost every encounter you have with a Federal Agent, they are going to have a partner with them or going to have their badge out. The cops were not professional, hotheaded, and acted very ego driven, but they were carrying out their duties in the extent they are allowed and expected to.

[@kjk607]

@@silashernandez2779 so in short, you agree that they didn't handle this as well as they probably should've. Got it.

[@VA-gu1jq]

Isn’t that why he said he didn’t do a good enough job? You know, because he believes that police should deescalate the situation? What kind of gotcha is this comment supposed to be?

[@DF-we4pt]

“We had to use the taser”. Really?

[@evelezpuma]

Being a Destiny fan can be so disappointing sometimes, as much as I respect the guy for generally grounding his logic pretty well, it also seems like he sometimes just refuses to engage with things that don't fit his view. I understand and largely agree that often LEO are misrepresented on the internet and that it is important to try to see things from their perspective, but this is such an obvious example where even the most minimal attempt to de-escalte would have prevented everything and come out infinitely cheaper and simpler for the state. As it has been said a thousand times by chat and comments, dispatch told the officer the ATF agent's badge number, all he had to do was check the ID before tasing the dude and escalating so damn much, instead he gives contradicting orders (show ID, but also keep your hands in the air) and then gets angry when the dude doesn't comply while trying to just show the idiot his ID and move on with his job. Big L for Destiny in my eyes, it's so clear-cut that the cop messed up because of ego, even if it is true that the other guy was egoing it as well it doesn't change the fact that the agent _was_ trying to de-escalate by showing his badge (which seems pretty standard) while the cop just kept escalating and escalating when it absolutely was not necessary

[@mattjennings4749]

Destiny is routinely disappointing

[@silashernandez2779]

1.) You, as a LEO, cannot run a Federal Agent Identification card instantly. It can take 20 minutes, or even hours. Even if the badge came back instantly as legitimate, it doesn't mean it's him (stolen badge) 2.) When the first officer arrived on scene, he gave a lawful order for the ATF agent to get on the ground, which he did not comply and had a fit, also outright saying "no" 3.) If somebody is impersonating an officer, it is highly likely they have a firearm. 4.) When you are a local LEO, almost every encounter you have with a Federal Agent, they are going to have a partner with them or going to have their badge out. The cops were not professional, hotheaded, and acted very ego driven, but they were carrying out their duties in the extent they are allowed and expected to.

[@myym79]

Really glad to hear Pisco95 passed the Bar! Seen him throughout a few of Destiny’s videos and always enjoyed his presence and dialogue so it’s great to hear he passed the exam :)

[@Jake-zn1qr]

Maybe there is just a huge difference between my perception of how things should be handled and how cops perceive things, but if there is a misunderstanding I expect to be able to clear it up through a short, calm conversation. I don't expect to be confronted by a bunch of aggressively sweaty dudes shouting over me and threatening me with guns, and I definitely don't expect to have to lay down on the ground and get dragged to the station or submit myself to whatever else the cops feel like doing. Maybe if it was communicated to citizens that the instant the cops roll up you should be ready to drop to the dirt and present your butthole for inspection there would be less conflict, but I always thought I should be treated with respect until I did something wrong. I understand why the cops might feel the need to secure someone for their own safety, but would it really be so hard for them to just explain the situation instead of screaming like a bunch of lunatics? I feel like the cops escalate the situation by doing that instead of diffusing it.

[@Onthebrink5]

Maybe everyone should watch Swat videos and then they will understand what to expect. Be prepared to bury your Dog as well.

[@edwardrichard8093]

Jesus the idiocy in these comments. So one sided. If the guy simply complied and was calm it wouldn't have gotten to that point but it did. Refusing to get on the group and fighting them the entire time. You are not on equal ground to the police and people who think they are stupid. They have the authority you do not.

[@Jake-zn1qr]

@@edwardrichard8093 I agree that the best thing to do is to comply with any orders the police give you. But that doesn't mean that their orders weren't unnecessary, overly aggressive, and demeaning. The police have a lot of power but they ARE NOT above any other citizen. They need to be responsible with their power and give orders in a calm and reasonable way instead of escalating a situation by shouting and waving weapons around.

[@Onthebrink5]

@@Jake-zn1qr Seems like you people still do not understand where the power is. The only people that say the things that you people do have never been arrested. Have never had a warrant to search your premises. This anti Authority message is drilled out of you when you are in these situations a lot. Sorry my dude the only people that say the things that you do have never seen even a County Jail let alone Prison.

[@thepoofster2251]

Man this comment is just plain stupid

[@baldur4ever]

I can see a case for an ATF agent going there in civilian clothing alone because the people who failed the background check did nothing wrong. I assume that so long as they surrender the weapon, everything is fine and dandy legally. But if they refuse or try to simply ignore the agent, they might actually get into big trouble with the law. And the Agent's frustration might well be from the fact that they simply don't understand the gravity of refusing to hand over the weapon.

[@CrisjoseCruz]

Refusing to give up your weapon to that agent is no big deal in terms of on sight escalation. Most times they aren’t even gonna argue with you they’ll just leave. Now they will be back with a warrant and uniformed agents. But atm it’s a pretty chill okay have a nice day type thing

[@abirch2014]

@@CrisjoseCruz that’s what I was thinking. Judges have to sign off on warrants right, so this would create a ridiculous backlog and probably would have judges just signing off on anything. I think there are a lot of assumptions that he’s there for a warrant and search, when it seems like he was there to just have the gun handed over because they failed whatever background check that happened.

[@FSOKrYpTo]

Why are you guys not making a specific point to talk about the fact that the caller gave dispatch the ATF officers badge number? Couldn't they have done all of the investigating before making an appearance...

[@ogzombieblunt4626]

Maybe the ATF was taking too long to respond?

[@groundrunner752]

Police Dispatcher here...even with a badge number from a Fed Agency, local agencies don't have an immediate way of verifying it. We don't have lists or systems to run every single Fed agent for obvious reasons. It usually takes a special requests to verify identity between each agency UNLESS the ATF had disclosed prior that they would have an agent working in their jurisdiction.

[@RamzaBeoulves]

Chat saying he deserves to die for not immediately following command when a single wrong move while getting down leads to being shot. The officer had his number from the dispatcher and came with weapon drawn. There was no way for him to show them his ID. They even tased him before checking his ID. There was no de-escalation, in fact, only escalation from the responding officer It's also far from a "high-risk" call as Destiny says

[@Yor_gamma_ix_bae]

yea its like destiny's chat doesn't know the law.

[@verberus5277]

I feel as if Destiny was bending over backwards to disagree with AtA and its real strange to me. I'm happy other people caught that he seems to just ignore that the dispatcher had the badge number amd he keeps picking up on certain repeated phrases when I think AtA is just being thorough. He also forces Pisco to skip over all the legal context of AtA's interpretation for the sake of brevity which is silly.

[@ms6534]

Cops arrest other cop. Destiny: "sweats profusely"

[@bayazwow]

Based off the information he had, pulling his gun and screaming at the guy escalated the situation unnecessarily. He should just talk to the guy from a distance. If he tries to flee or shows some aggression towards the officers, then they should pull their guns and order him to get on the ground. Situation was much more high stakes than it needed to be on this one.

[@danielreyes7558]

This makes way too much sense.

[@Jankyito]

I think having guns drawn but not pointed at the fed would be the best way. If the information you have is that someone is impersonating a cop to get into a house that's already a very very sketchy and violent situation where the suspect is most likely armed.

[@ProperlyGaming]

Woah now, your speaking as if cops in America have brains or any care in how they treat others. That's not how our American cops are built. They are dumb as dirt and immediately escalate at ALL TIMES

[@bayazwow]

@@Jankyito Yes they do have reason to believe he is armed. Hmm, maybe order him to keep his hands out to the sides and talk from a distance? I really feel like opening with your gun out was too aggressive. It’s a tough one.

[@aimbotbob5056]

But it wouldn't have escalated if the guy just got on the ground in the beginning instead of trying to argue...

[@NEPAAlchey]

Its amazing how quick and confident the first cop was that he asked him for ID. The mind loves to create a narrative and stick to it.

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

Just as sure as possible

[@whatwouldsaido]

Show ID and GET DOWN?

[@davidbritton5627]

I love that destiny is doing this. I’m obsessed with these police audit videos

[@oephry3253]

To be fair idk why this cops was so on edge like immediately. He’s even manufacturing this claim that he didn’t present ID when he didn’t give him a chance to and pulled out a gun first thing so the atf guy hands went up.

[@laneuwu1660]

Bro, even if he HEARD the badge number over the com he would still want to pull the badge out himself IF it was the case that he isn't a fed and pulls out a gun instead of a badge. Didn't have it out before being told to get on the ground, didn't get in the cop car, acted stupid. The cop is utterly retarded for pulling his gun and all, but both actors here have absolutely no CRED

[@speck5348]

Right into my feed

[@drakebane9527]

While I agree that the ATF agent should've just complied, I feel like the police officer did everything wrong that could go wrong. 1. Lies about asking for ID before drawing his gun when in fact he didn't. 2. ATF agent offers to show ID, gets denied by cop further telling him to get on the ground with weapons raised. 3. Cop acts on emotions, denying the ATF officer their right to medical treatment for a while. 4. Cop continues to argue with the (what he still thinks) civilian on things in the car for no reason. 5. Cop continues to act out of emotion by telling his fellow officers some more things that weren't true or twists of the truth. While I don't like some things feds do either. I feel like this cop was completely in the wrong and the federal agent is right to sue them to prevent this from happening again.

[@ohfuffy4870]

Love the editing, I really appreciate the popups. Hoping I get to see Destiny and Avi combat covid stuff in the future, these videos are cool too

[@SaintMaxxi]

Dude, just comply, let the cop run your plates or check your ID, situation is resolved in like 2 minutes.

[@Mukna132]

It's not the civilians role to de-escalate

[@alexd4566]

But muh freedums

[@SaintMaxxi]

@@Mukna132 he's literally not a civilian.

[@Mukna132]

@@SaintMaxxi Whether or not he is is irrelevant. The cops clearly didn't think he was a fed. They are still the ones required to use de-escalation, ESPECIALLY if they think they are the authority in the situation.

[@SaintMaxxi]

@@Mukna132 so do you believe you should not comply with cops?

[@MoviesAreWesomeYeah]

i love destiny and pisco's relationship

[@alexeonbel4304]

Bro they literally say that the dispatcher gives out the badge ID number. I think you usually have pretty good takes but from the little I've already watched this is easily your dumbest take I've heard right now lmao.

[@hunterb7549]

Truly love most of destiny’s takes but why does it feel like he always overlooks the even potential for deescalation.

[@edwardrichard8093]

Maybe because he does a little more critical thinking than you do? Try thinking about it from other perspectives.

[@hunterb7549]

@@edwardrichard8093 I get where he’s coming from, but he never wants to talk about anything other than the situation in a vacuum

[@methodsworth3221]

Shoutout Audit the Audit! Awesome collab

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

The second time Destiny went through the video all that went through my head was "the officer escalated that so quickly and seriously." Like, jesus man, instantly pull out a Firearm and shouting at the top of his lungs in an angry AF voice. Wouldn't be surprised if the guy started running away he would be shot in the back with how aggressive the cop was.

[@edwardrichard8093]

He'd be shot because he was running from law enforcement. Tf is wrong with you guys where you think they arnt police?

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

@@edwardrichard8093 I guess someone forgot to tell me the rule of thumb is to mainly shoot people in the back.

[@wizzzer1337]

As a non American all I can say is that American cops seem to have poor deescalation skills. There needs to be a reform in training nationwide.

[@ryohio4706]

I will say, Im from a more rural part of Ohio, US, not very many cops are like this in rural/small town areas atleast where I'm from, a lot of cops out here are more like normal people, most of them friendly and willing to help people that need it

[@bronzee548]

@@ryohio4706 they can be extremely racist to a person of color though.

[@lmaonicebud]

I think the issue is with whoever ran that badge number If it was this cop, he was at fault. If it was some secretary, it's her. The cop went into this thinking the badge number didn't check out, and that's what informed his actions.

[@degz1s]

was stoked when I saw audit the audit

[@ogskullomania3119]

I hate people who are untrained giving a pass to cops I was taught more about deescalation as an 18 year old soldier then some of these 25 year police Sgt. Police are just not trained well nor do they uphold any standards for training it all changes depending on the lawsuit.

[@bc9554]

25% of police are from the military

[@fungdark8270]

2:40 but they said the caller read the badge number to dispatch. They should have relayed all of that and appears they didn’t by the way the officer approached.

[@ogzombieblunt4626]

That number could be fake and the ATF could be taking forever to verify.

[@WhatTheFrogDoing]

@@ogzombieblunt4626 speaking more broadly, is it more likely that the guy was faking being an ATF agent or that he was actually an ATF agent? unless these cops are constantly arresting people for pretending to be federal agents, i think it is unreasonable for them to assume this person is faking it when they have been presented with a badge number.

[@ogzombieblunt4626]

@@WhatTheFrogDoing So just assume everything is fine? Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

@@ogzombieblunt4626 guilty until proven innocent

[@lordhelix2760]

For anyone aware, depending on the location it's very possible that the "badge number" information either never made it to the officer or even the actual dispatcher. Some places have call takers and then dispatchers. So it's completely plausible the information got lost in transmission.

[@theRabbitFly]

I find destiny's take here to be in contradiction to his stance on f. Ex. The recent Alec Baldwin drama. I can also understand why police might be fearful and jump to conclusions. However they are not supposed to assume you are guilty, even if someone tells them you are on a 911 call. The atf agent was not acting in a profesional manner either. But that cop escalated the situation without need. No matter if we have empathy to the circumstances that creates such behaviour it does not mean this is acceptable behaviour in a police interaction. The police officer also openly lies in the tape. Saying the atf agent refused to show his id, but it was the police officer that refused the atf agent to show his id When the agent offered to do so. Brandishing a weapon and screaming get down might have been within the police officers authority. But it is bad practice and does not follow de-escalation policies many police precincts now advocate. I also think Destiny is being a bit contrarion here. Perhaps he has gotten so used to taking the centrist view on this issue due to the current climate When it comes to the debate around police practices in the U.S. these days. But this kind of behaviour is quite far from what would be tolerated elsewhere. Also terry stops are not legal in all States, so your lawyer was out of his depth here.

[@brumalh5548]

I think this could have gone way different if the LEO hadn't been so agro in the beginning. But my God both the LEO and the FED should know better.

[@Kilborns]

Typical American cops instantly escalating a problem instead of de-escalating

[@WanderTheNomad]

In their eyes, pulling out their gun _is_ de-escalating. "Everyone will definitely calm down if I point a gun at them and start yelling at them."

[@zvonomirzuboronovic8662]

So, are the Police Academy movies actually documentaries?

[@EpFiDude]

I think the entire point of the terrorist designation was basically to be able to treat certain individuals and groups as if they lacked certain rights, so we can eliminate what we consider to be a national security risk as effectively as possible. So, in my view terrorists should be designated via allegiance to a group that is considered some sort of special risk to national security. In that case we can basically obliterate individuals who belong to such groups without worrying too much about the restrictions of the common law.

[@shonuffkay7203]

The main issue here is that the cops did come in with guns drawn despite not having a reason to justify violence. The call on Burke didn't state that he was being violent. The cop also lied about him refusing to show his ID. The cop never gave him the chance to give his credentials, he just came in with his gun out. On an individual level he should have complied but its up in the air if the orders were lawful

[@nb4411]

Orders are clearly lawful. Gun drawn because dispatch said he was trying to break in. Having gun out isn't the issue, not complying is.

[@shonuffkay7203]

@@nb4411 drawing a gun on someone who was clearly non violent through their own observation on scene. Refusing to do any investigation work, lying about him refusing to show ID. The cops escalated this the entire way. This entire thing would have been glossed over if the cop in control just actually looked at the dude's ID instead of asking him for it and then drawing on him in the same breath. That is contradictory orders.

[@fab7423]

Yea, if I'm simply doing my job why should I go on the ground and get handcuffed when I didn't do anything wrong and never signaled any aggression or threat.

[@shonuffkay7203]

@@fab7423 kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4Csn4ythZ1ge9U at this point in the original video the cop can clearly see Burke's hands and clearly see that he isn't being violent but the cop still pulls his gun on him. The cop kept claiming that Burke either refused to show him ID or just didn't. The entire time Burke was trying to identify himself. Idk why people here are justifying a cop pulling a gun on clearly non violent people.

[@nb4411]

@@shonuffkay7203 He got a call that the guy was breaking in. Likely didn't see what was in his hands immediately so drew his weapon. Comply and then you show him your ID and everyone I'd on their way.

[@novasun1984]

I dislike Destiny's framing of this in both the explanation to Pisco(Originally) and after the video is watched... As explained(In the video), Burke the ATF Agent READS OFF THE BADGE NUMBER to the Dispatcher and it was given to the cops for them to verify... the COP entering the scene was ignorant to that information. IT WAS NOT A FAKE COP CALL to initiate this... Very important difference as Destiny continues to explain it as a "Fake cop trying to break into a house". :)

[@silashernandez2779]

1.) You, as a LEO, cannot run a Federal Agent Identification card instantly. It can take 20 minutes, or even hours. Even if the badge came back instantly as legitimate, it doesn't mean it's him (stolen badge) 2.) When the first officer arrived on scene, he gave a lawful order for the ATF agent to get on the ground, which he did not comply and had a fit, also outright saying "no" 3.) If somebody is impersonating an officer, it is highly likely they have a firearm. 4.) When you are a local LEO, almost every encounter you have with a Federal Agent, they are going to have a partner with them or going to have their badge out. The cops were not professional, hotheaded, and acted very ego driven, but they were carrying out their duties in the extent they are allowed and expected to.

[@mythicXD]

Audit the Audit, one of the best channels on the platform

[@biancahumble706]

Right into my feeeeeeed

[@fungdark8270]

12:00 For Austin PD it’s 32 weeks, there’s a 16 week modified course for people with active police experience (obviously meaning they’ve been through another academy)

[@tiefgefuhlfach5645]

32 Weeks is still fucking cringe In Germany it normally takes 3 years and another 3 years To apply for higher positions

[@Corgiking521]

@@tiefgefuhlfach5645 it’s kind of like the military. You need to balance out training time with your needs. Sometimes you just need the bodies to do it.

[@Justin_GFM]

@@tiefgefuhlfach5645 So you guys have a 3 year academy and no probationary period or what? Police here have a 1-2 year probationary period after the academy so that "6 months" of training extends into 1.5 to 2.5 years depending on where you're at. People love to dickride the FBI, especially people not from the US, but their academy is 20 weeks and their probationary period is 2 years so that may hurt some feelings

[@TheButterAnvil]

Ah the ATF. The only law enforcement both sides are cool with hating lol

[@dustinmosley5965]

The one thing that makes me think the cop over reacted was that the cop pointed his gun at him right away, said get on the ground then when the ATF agen refused the cop says "why didn't you ID?" Then when the ATF agent goes to grab his ID the cop yells at him to not reach. Maybe when you're pointing a gun at someone you should be clear what you want. That being said, if a cop points a gun at you, just comply. Audit the Audit should give both parties an F lol

[@KristianKumpula]

I think Destiny's advocating for placing excessive faith on what has been relayed to dispatch about the situation. Ideally, when dispatch tells you that someone claims that there's a guy at their door impersonating a federal officer, you don't treat it as a fact, you treat it as a claim. It doesn't carry any more weight than when that guy claimed that he's a federal officer. You're supposed to figure out what the facts actually are instead of assuming that he is in fact an impersonator and a threat. Unless he proves to be an actual threat or tries to flee, there's no basis for detainment at that point. Making assumptions based on what dispatch said can escalate the situation unnecessarily and get people killed, such as Tamir Rice, for example.

[@blablabla7796]

You’re supposed to assume they’re a threat because the call says it’s a police impersonator. Only after you are sure that there’s no threat will you investigate the facts. It sounds like you’re proposing cops should get close, lowered guard and everything, to a possible bad actor with a gun before you eliminate the risk. That’s a recipe for dead cops.

[@cmike123]

@@blablabla7796 No. He is saying the exact same thing you are saying. Assess the threat level, then verify any claims but dont assume an escalated threat level.

[@blablabla7796]

​@@cmike123 But that's impossible. You have to start with a base assumption of the threat level. If the call is a police impersonator trying to break in your house, the assumed threat level is that there is high probability of armed violence. You assume a too low of a threat level and you get unsuspecting cops shot down. Of course the converse is true, if they assume that the guy already killed someone then there isn't really any reason to investigate, the priority is to neutralize the threat as soon as possible. We are not saying the same thing. The guy wants the local police to buddy buddy the other potentially dangerous individual, ask him some questions, like you would when talking to a person making a noise complaint. The call's concern has to be treated as if it there is a 99% chance of that happening at the start.

[@fab7423]

@@blablabla7796 That's one of the big reasons why the american police is pretty much the most inefficient police force in the western world. Assuming guild is idiotic and only achieves tension. You don't have any right to threat people like shit because some random person claimed they did a crime.

[@blablabla7796]

@@fab7423 the problem is a lot more nuanced than the police treating every person like they’re trying to kill them. It’s a combination of a lot of different factors like the culture, the prevalence of guns, the lack of training. US police are very effective at dealing with a heavily armed populace. Try and apply European policing to the US and you’ll end up with a lot of dead police. I’m not saying that US police are perfect, there’s definitely a lot of things should be changed. But I’m not going to pretend that the solution to the problem is everyone holding hands and singing We Are The World.

[@TheJudoJoker]

Audit The Audit is a great channel. Would love to see his vids become the new JCS meta for streamers.

[@abirch2014]

So my guess, is because woman has an accent, I would assume the woman is an immigrant and got spooked making her call 911. I would also assume that the agent wasn’t there for a warrant search, but probably just to be like “hey, you’re not supposed to have this gun, may I take it.” It’s that or we get a endless set of warrants that judges stop reading because they have a backlog.

[@callowaymotorcompany]

They actually didn’t say whether he had a warrant or not in the video.

[@kkimberling]

I’m don’t recall any clarification regarding this in the video: Did the ATF guy actually have a warrant? If so, did he tell the woman that he had a warrant?

[@kylekremer7240]

I just really dont understand why cops go from talking to screaming as loud as they can. I've never been in a situation where screaming has helped I really dont get it.

[@seavpal]

Fs all around here, the cop should just be fired for anger control issues and the ATF agent should not be allowed to work solo until he learns to obey orders from cops (even if they aren't legal, that should be determined in court and not on the scene).

[@frankmarano1118]

Yeah thats pretty much what the audit guy says at the end of the video destiny's watching too. He acted very unprofessionally, which threw the cops off. But the cop also acted like a loon

[@seavpal]

@@frankmarano1118 , yeah. It's a bit sad that all the lefty hatred of cops has made Destiny too defensive of any arresting officer, that comes across as just being contrarian.

[@frankmarano1118]

@@seavpal Yeah it seems like a lot of people dont realize there are good cops & bad cops. I've seen some videos where I've straight up commanded the cop for their patience or professional in how they dealt with the situation

[@hugonamenlos7218]

This video explains why i would never ever want to live in america. I mean damn imagine a cop car pull up and they instantly draw weapons and start shouting.

[@jamesbarnett6772]

American policing just reminds me of the scene in idiocracy, where they show up in force and start shooting the crap out the car and fire a rocket launcher that flies off into the air and downs a plane.

[@GerblerM]

Typo in the thumbnail or was it intentional to type "can't breath" instead of "can't breathe"?

[@MrCrimAngel]

bruh even if the cops got a call of a potential break in they should be able to tell the difference between a unarmed guy with a clip board knocking at the door vs someone breaking in

[@ryan6984]

its breathe mister editor

[@BlooCollaGal]

You'd never guess, but the Department of Natural Resources has the most extensive and far reaching jurisdiction out of any US law enforcement agency.

[@sadboipotato3382]

Ah yes, the hunt for good ol oil. Murica.

[@s-tierkeyboardwarrior-lvl4686]

@@sadboipotato3382 The dispatcher told the cops the ATF guy had 300 barrels of crude oil and the coordinates of 17 key deposits across the middle east on his person, who can blame them for getting a little excited?

[@michaelvanderwal7390]

Do you think the DNR has anything to do with oil?

[@BlooCollaGal]

@@michaelvanderwal7390 I'm almost positive that oil is a "natural resource" so yeah I'm pretty sure they do.

[@BlooCollaGal]

@@sadboipotato3382 they do other things too. They're the "hunting and fishing" police. If a DNR agent decides you have a poached animal then *they are coming on your property and searching your shit* and that's all there is to it.

[@jordanmcdonald8227]

Don't know if the title was a misspelling but it sure was funny

[@benboy0404]

10 minutes in and these cops are so dumb I gotta disagree with destiny here cop never asked for ID immediately pulled a gun and started shouting, called backup, the agent tried to show his papers and then the cop wouldn't let him

[@EarthAmbassador]

Cops should have ran the badge number given to dispatch..

[@joshecker6907]

If mutliple trained law enforcement officers can't even deescalate conflict between themselves, how can we expect them to deescalate situations with random people who have no training?

[@petyrbaelish1216]

When two people are on a power trip.

[@shadyflakes6979]

11:05 I WAS TRYNA GIVE YOU MY CREEEeeEeeEeeED'S!!!!!

[@cheyennewebb7951]

This is on the dispatcher if the badge number was communicated. Both officers and fed would be in the right here but the department wrong due to lack of investigation and communication.

[@lukereeves1842]

I guess you could say that the moment the ATF officer failed to just lay down and let the officer pull out his ID m… his grade went from A. To F. (^u^)

[@fcdannyg]

August, you misspelled breathe in the thumbnail.

[@ZChoate]

You spelled "Breathe" wrong in the thumbnail.

[@ms6534]

(sorry, I misquoted destiny here. He actually said, "the cops goal is always to deescalate" at around 3:20" in the vid) Destiny in a panel with Vaush: "cops are trained to deescalate!" Destiny reviews this vid: "what is wrong with cops in this country?"

[@Kilborns]

Pretty sure cops in the US are not trained to deescalate the problem. I'm pretty sure I've never seen a cop act like an American one where I live, unless they are power tripping

[@s-tierkeyboardwarrior-lvl4686]

I've seen a few panels with Vaush and Destiny in my day but I've yet to see Destiny make that claim.

[@ms6534]

@@s-tierkeyboardwarrior-lvl4686 destiny and vaush just posted a panel they were on. They were discussing refund the police. Specifically about sending social workers on some calls that police are currently dispatched for. Destiny definitely claimed that police are trained to deescalate.

[@s-tierkeyboardwarrior-lvl4686]

@@ms6534 I’ll have to rewatch it then, thanks for telling me which vid

[@ms6534]

@@s-tierkeyboardwarrior-lvl4686 my bad. He doesn't exactly say they get trained to deescalate. He says it's always their goal to deescalate. (It's at like 3:20 on the latest panel he posted) But that's a pretty far reach. They're trained to control the situation. Often at the expense of escalating.

[@Bennick323]

Maybe I just don't know shit about the streamer life... is there a reason that Destiny doesn't just use the Discord screen share feature since he's talking with Pisco on Discord? I guess there's a chance it could compromise the Twitch stream quality? I just cringe whenever they do the countdown thing. lol

[@iceyroo]

Is destiny still doing the NFTs?