Redpill Debate w/ SNEAKO And FRESH AND FIT

[@destiny]

Fresh N Fit ►kzbin.info | Sneako ►kzbin.info H3H3 Allegation Against Fresh&Fit Leaves Destiny Speechless ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIexlKylbs6ij9k

[@IAmChad7]

These time stamps were Destiny!

[@Protogonas]

A bunch of insecure boys crying about what it is to be a Man, while ironically being the far opposite from; while parroting echo-chamber, red-pill, manosphere, ape-minded, smooth-brain, mouth breathing, rhetoric. Oozing and radiating false security while obviously projecting your shallow husk of a lack of Being, who's afraid of the inevitable. Inter faeces et urinam nascimur.

[@wvance0316]

47:30, why did you dodge the question? We know that many factors caused a decline in families being started and kept together, but both your points are things promoted by the left. Women go to college and get a high paying career as well as move to a big city, away from the hicks in the hills. The left also puts single mothers on a pedestal instead of saying it is something you should avoid at all cost. The simple answer is the left is responsible. You know, I know it, and everyone knows it. The left knows it too, they just argue that we are better off this way, so why dodge the question when you know this is a bullet you have to bite if you want to be considered on the left.

[@markrio95]

The chat is ahead by a second. Fix that next time.

[@user-cu9uq5bf6g]

Do you think a percentage of Andrew Tate fans are Chinese or Russian trolls trying to distract and divide the American public. Seems like the kind of content foreign governments would use to destabilize the US.

[@TootieVirus]

The way that Destiny has leveraged his relationship with Sneako to break into the redpill audience is fucking brilliant. Nice to see him on a more positive arc.

[@welly4907]

He was talking about making plans to this podcast before he knew sneoko. He knows sneoko for like 2 weeks

[@Mnnwer]

Uh, you sure? Did you see the after dark(with all the girls)? Sneako and that guy to the left was acting like 2 15 year olds, constantly bullying and being weird.

[@TootieVirus]

@@welly4907 I didn’t know that, but the genuineness of his relationship with sneako gives him credibility with these people either way. I think this is a really effective way to present yourself as a positive alternative. This is especially true of destiny who is a secure and successful guy who is socially progressive and the antithesis of basically everything these guys stand for.

[@eagle5818]

@@Mnnwer lmao

[@welly4907]

@@TootieVirus you are over thinking destiny just wants to talk to those guys for content and sneoko is also mutual good for content and chill guy. Destiny also agrees with fresh and fit allot because like he said they are mostly correct compared to the left

[@classiclemons4477]

The battle for Sneako's soul begins

[@meaninglesswords1082]

Qui Gonell vs Maul and Palp

[@fixitfelix718]

Hilarious

[@z123_qqq]

huh

[@jameskilgour387]

We can fix him

[@kingyellow3091]

Already lost

[@ze_chooch]

Destiny is an amazing communicator. His years of navigating hard conversations has birthed something really special.

[@powercore2000]

Yeah, he managed to hold his own and have good rapport with the guys. They disagrees and agreed without hating eachother.

[@anubistv1154]

meh

[@godofthisshit]

@Dominick Villegas He was soft imo.

[@marcmacaluso2795]

Yeah... But Destiny's a girls name..

[@Soldier_Sean]

Lol yea special as in on the spectrum

[@daviddawes293]

Myron is always talking about victim mentality but always paints men as victims..

[@tulersmeesh4077]

This dude actually understands Pokemon enough to make a decent analogy from it. God bless.

[@Waddrick]

Properly explaining EV, and why it's worst to cheat through life at the same time. Fuck maybe F&F are alright.

[@pie579]

That dude has no room to call anyone a dork😂

[@gaelheartt]

That pokemon analogy was too good 😭😭😭

[@tranformersaddiction]

LOL now you actually realize that a lot of redpill stuff coming from the right place actually makes a whole lot of sense. Don’t base your opinion on tiktoks or shorts next time

[@tulersmeesh4077]

@@tranformersaddiction No one said it wasn't, bud. It was just an observation.

[@t-poison1731]

Love this. Watched this live. Destiny pushed back a lot but didn't come off too strong and the way he has conversations really distinguishes him from other content creators in the same space.

[@animeking17]

Yeah i love the non online screaming match debates

[@AzukaTheGoat]

Yup. I hope this translates to people who are critical of F&F but don’t know about Destiny to start watching his content. The only thing is sometimes he’s not Normie friendly lmao

[@andrewcox5873]

People in the livestream comments were saying that Fresh & Fit were “dialing it back” a lot on this stream. I’ve never listened to F&F before but I guess the implication is that they are normally a lot stronger in their rhetoric, but walked it back to more defensible positions with Destiny there

[@macandcheese6395]

that’s not the case, his stance is very unique since he’s bisexual and in a open relationship so he is an exception who did come with very good points

[@IamDonRoyal]

@@andrewcox5873 They didn't want to make him cry. They didn't want to call him gey.

[@themarshmellow410]

listening to them talk about women, dating and sex is like listening to bunch of cave men who accidentally learned how to speak.

[@Twiloxie]

Bet they've got their clubs tucked underneath the table

[@arunsalwan8558]

Myron:men always have to have leverage ..very sad way of looking at relationships He found a niche but his only way is to bring men up while putting women down

[@Tweezy_runaway]

@@arunsalwan8558it’s not sad u just don’t understand lmao look what happened to destiny and his gf 🤷🏽‍♂️she had the leverage and left him for another man😂

[@Orange45ajfi]

thats the dumbest thing ive heard, imagine discrediting something thats true only because it sounds too technical, kinda retardd ngl@@arunsalwan8558

[@partlycurrent]

Like holy fuck they're a bunch of sexists it's insane how open they're about it

[@ಥ_ಥ-ಫ5ಮ]

I've seen other episodes of these F&F guys and women roundtables they do. It's the first time I've seen them being this calm and level headed when they're debating someone with an opposing view. Incredible how they're not even capable of having a decent conversation unless its coming from another man. They would be going crazy if a woman said the things Destiny is saying.

[@aladdout9454]

lmao true

[@pte9118]

Cap

[@noceboaffect3187]

I was thinking the same thing

[@noceboaffect3187]

@@pte9118 if a girl was saying the same things about relationships that destiny is saying, about it being deep, they’d call her an emotional female and say females are just wired that way and men aren’t

[@christian6455]

They mostly calm but the women get personal and that where they go viral

[@Nicolae_Mew]

Destiny has been pumping out so much content since this Sneako/Redpill arc that I'm now like 3-4 debates behind

[@ezziesmash]

Same! 😅

[@MuscleboundKage]

Miami Steve be bussin fr fr, no cap.

[@matthewmontano9695]

Who before him ?

[@HopefulBlue]

@@MuscleboundKage on God

[@mccracken4645]

@neal cassady nah he cares about talking to to people clearly he enjoys what he does

[@canadianrage5224]

Wanna say as someone who’s been watching fresh and fit for awhile now and is right leaning, I didn’t know much about Destiny before this podcast. However, based on his maturity, how he was able to hold a conversation and defend his opinion in a non argumentative way, makes me respect him a lot. I’m going to be listen to him more now and keep an open mind with the things he believes. Great representation from both sides during this podcast, this is what we need!

[@retingo7940]

Same thing with me

[@richcohen5936]

bro just keep in mind that he is bisexual and the girl he is with actually bangs 6'4'' NFL players regularly. Essentially, he's the third emotional wheel in her relationship. If you take his relationship and life advise seriously just because he sounds good, you will be doomed from a long and happy straight relationship for life. Remember most of the people like him in old times were toasts or eunuch lady guards who were castrated and forced to serve the kings and queens. Don't take his advise too seriously. Because he knows where he stands which is totally opposite of where masculine straight man stands in human dominance hierarchy!!!

[@harveyweir8061]

good attitude man. best thing you can think after this convo is that you just wanna hear more of both sides. im in the same boat but from the opposite end

[@brain7890]

This is why we are all fans of destiny. Even if we don’t agree he illustrates his opinions really well and respectfully. Easy to listen to and refreshing in an age of arguments

[@richcohen5936]

@@brain7890 So, you're a fan of his articulation, not his ideas. There is not a single point that he illustrates which are viable in real life.

[@JPEGBLACK]

this was much better than the online screaming matches over irrelevant twitter nonsense. saw it live and was pleasantly surprised by how much common ground our boy Destiny was able to find with F&F. more of this please, we need more reasonable voices stepping up to bat against the manosphere ideologues currently dominating the discourse.

[@ll2323]

Well it helps that he’s a man, if destiny were a woman Myron would be yelling incessantly.

[@shoeby9273]

Yeah this convo was cool and all but I get the feeling that these guys probably mentally couldn't handle a woman telling them these same things.

[@marketables]

I mean, red pill men are open misogynists. Of course they would dismiss a woman telling them the same thing.

[@lordreyna6924]

@@shoeby9273 oh for sure they wouldn’t. They are entire videos showing the double standards Myron puts on his own male and female guests.

[@JPEGBLACK]

@@ll2323 yeah that's my point. the fact that Destiny is not only a man, but also articulate is useful when it comes to his rhetoric.

[@BrandonRKH]

Man, I appreciate Destiny's ability to patiently and calmly speak rationally through all this chaos

[@NickFouladi11]

True but Destiny is a man with a girls name with blue hair who is a bi-sexual, no wonder his "girl" gets banged out by other dudes.

[@mbnall]

THE major problem with red pill masculinity culture is it’s self-centered. “Me, my hustle, my bag, my improvement, my women, my bla bla.” It’s Lone Ranger bullshit. All of the best men I’ve ever known have been pillars in a community. They’re outward focused. They’re respected because they’ve touched real lives. Red pill masculinity feels so adolescent because it’s a self-centered teenager’s mentality. It’s the Trump thing. Make yourself LOOK successful and people will “admire” you, instead of being enmeshed in a community, being a pillar, and becoming someone people can count on. That’s real respect, and that’s real masculinity. “Get your bag and then people will respect you” is the red pill message, and it’s absolute horse shit. It’s putting the cart before the horse.

[@chay770]

nah, those best men wish they fulfilled their potential. Think of it as a top athlete, they sacrificed tons of shit to be the best they can be. Those pillars of the community you talk about are just natural born leaders, the people who grinds and push themselves are the one who fulfills their potential

[@mbnall]

@@chay770 That's my point. Red pill masculinity is only focused on the self. "Top athlete" is reserved for one person. "Top team" is a different focus. Real masculinity has a communal focus, whereas RPM is focused solely on self-improvement. The pillars I'm talking about are hard workers, sure! But they're not self-focused. They'd laugh at this boyish RPM fantasy. Self improvement isn't bad, mind you. But self-improvement divorced from community is just masturbatory...which is probably how 90% of RPMers have to get off since women can't stand to be around them. And in case you want to attack my cred so you can write me off--I'm 34, fit, married 13 years, raising 3 kids, own a house, own a small business, and am active in my community outside of my work. I don't make a lot of money, but I make enough to pay my bills on time, save for retirement, and help people if they need it. The proof is in the pudding. Almost none of these RPMers are in long term romantic relationships (let alone raising children!) and almost none of them give two shits about their communities. They're not teaching how to be men; they're teaching how to be fuckbois.

[@nardhippel9353]

@@chay770 Community is still important because I bet those athletes had a good support system at some point on their journey making them able to push their limits

[@barryallen8307]

Yes, not everyone is supposed to be some leader. What's the problem?

[@moreasmorebaes9996]

@@chay770 As a competing powerlifter, the difference in genetics is usually far greater than the difference in hardwork, half the time the environmental variables are fucked up as well and if they were taken care of by social support u will have records broken in most sports.

[@hartyewh1]

The obsession with women, having them, earning them, being above them is ironically deeply neurotic and unmasculine.

[@jamessantell6707]

That's the greatest irony about red pill philosophy. Someone who has an abundance mentality and is secure in themselves is not going to be constantly looking for ways to "game" women or come up with theories on what to do to relate to them. These people are deeply in fear and insecure in their own masculinity. It just drips from them.

[@YukonV]

Spot on!

[@harryb12993]

Thats why whenever destiny talked about working out he said "as long as you're doing it for yourself."

[@sheddrickkstraker369]

Are you going to back up this claim with evidence I'd put money you won't because all mammal males do what you just stated.

[@deadams8905]

@@sheddrickkstraker369 are you going to back up your claim with evidence?

[@MacabreStorytelling]

Destiny: "I want someone who feels more like a partner than a servant to me." Sneako: "That's where we disagree."

[@YourBestBudy]

As someone who came from a similar community, Im curious what your thoughts are on this convo. Do you feel like destiny potentially moved the needle for the F&F community? What was strong and weak in your opinion

[@MacabreStorytelling]

@@YourBestBudy I think he did an excellent job at pointing out the myriad of contradictions and double edged swords in the F&F ideology in addition to the fact that even if F&F are right about what they say, it doesn’t apply to 99% of men so all of this advice and talk is useless for most men seeking fulfillment, but I think most who watch F&F honestly are a bit too far gone. They are most likely still driven by anger and animosity towards women and no amount of rational logic can overcome that for a lot of these men.

[@montanac223344]

@@MacabreStorytelling i wouldn't say they're too far gone, but hearing reasonable people like Destiny that can agree with some of their points but also slip in some of his idealogy is a step in a healthy direction. The problem is its pretty rare to find a guy like Destiny who can communicate his ideas well without coming off as condescending or like a lecturer. But I gotta give it up to F & F as well as Sneako, good for them for having someone on like Destiny and not being confrontational as well

[@MacabreStorytelling]

@@montanac223344 Eh I don’t think you have to give it up to them. They have already caused a lot of damage to a lot of young men. And not necessarily completely too far gone but F&F’s rhetoric is pretty bitter in regard to the manosphere as a whole thus almost guys who watch them need to do a LOT of processing of their animosity towards women before they can hope to find a healthy relationship.

[@montanac223344]

@@MacabreStorytelling i can see that. I don't know too much about f & f other than short clips i've seen about them so maybe they're more toxic than i realize. Perhaps I'm just a glass half full type of guy who thinks the dudes watching this can be saved from their toxic masculinity

[@crisp_like_dylan]

This is an interesting debate and legitimately worth listening to in full. FnF are reasonable up until about the 1:20:00 mark where their beliefs go off the rails like Destiny says Redpill content creators often do. The most telling back and forth is at 2:01:09 where Destiny eventually says "I want the woman to be more of a partner than a servant" and Sneako immediately responds with "well that's where we disagree" as if that is a normal and okay belief to hold. How could you want to be in a relationship with someone you openly think of as a servant? Where is the respect there? Hiding behind "reproductive strategies" and "that's just the way men/women biologically are" is cowardice and weakness. In our society we fight against our basic biology in so many ways, and basic respect for all people as equals should be common sense.

[@TheZx23]

Exactly what you just said in your last few sentences is what should be the standard and ideal. But everybody's soul is hurting. I don't mean for it to sound "poetic", but that's what comes to mind when I try to summarize the reason for all of these social issues.

[@Skywalkerthegreat]

Genius.

[@crisp_like_dylan]

@@TheZx23 What do you mean when you say "everybody's soul is hurting" in regards to my last sentence? My assumption is that you're establishing a correlation between our society seemingly being less content/happy and our rejection of some of our primal instincts (please correct me if I'm wrong there). If that is where you're coming from, it's an interesting theory. I think general discontentedness in our society largely comes from the loss of a "meaning for life" as we reject things that used to give meaning, like religion. Adhering to our primal urge to reproduce and have a family, along with slotting more into traditional gender roles, could act as a stand-in for life meaning for some people. But mandating that for all people should not be the next step (not saying you think this). Instead, we need to work harder as a society to find a meaning for life that works for people without carrying the baggage that comes along with religion and/or forcing people into roles. Sorry if I went a little far with this, I had a train of thought and just let it run.

[@yasszone8694]

I gotta say, we agree but disagree. We agree about the whole red pilled toxicity but I don't agree with the whole "we fight against our basic biology" part. Fighting against basic biology is futile as it ends with or negative consequences in the short, medium and long term that are difficult to measure because it is delayed and the source isn't evident or putting a huge weakness which, in the case of any collapse of a civilisation, would end up with a shit load of fundamental socio-cultural (economic too but if the principes are in place, it's mostly fine) restructuring to conform to the stronger grip of nature's authority that it has over that civilisation (yes, not very probable but not that improbable and still measurably possible). The only thing is that Sneako and F&F are wrong about men/women psychological tendencies and only take into consideration sexual dynamics BEFORE the importance of social monogamy came into play as we became more sedentary (if you look at the hormones relating to love and sex released by men and by women and their consequences on behaviour/feelings, it becomes a bit clearer). To be brief, I think both men and women (in general, obviously there are a lot of outliers in this world since we are 7.8 billion people) are living in a paradox between their primary sexual tendencies and their secondary sexual tendencies that came later and that we cope by doing several things (the biggest one being cheating on eachother). Edit: mostly typos

[@Furio666]

Women are meant to serve.

[@tylerholston4063]

Destiny took a super well measured approach to this convo. Definitely gonna open some minds with this

[@darrene.vonbraun4421]

Vaush really taught him rhetoric well.😆

[@arsenic9680]

yea it will, but then again, FnF live based on probability not possibilities, is possible to find a good girl in the western world?? Yes, but is it really probable to happen, NO, bcz the Mojrity are the same, so since the majority are the same and men want sex, they need to know how to deal with the majority in other to have sex or they'll have a sexless life and wonder why females are so hard to understand, and thats where red pill comes in on knowing female nature and how they behave, but I'll say the redpill lifestyle works on ALL women, prob not the cheating part with the male, but with the masculine stoicism and being the rock in the relationship will keep all women in check and maintain their sexual arousal for you

[@darrene.vonbraun4421]

@@arsenic9680 perfect example of a RP take. The core nugget of the idea is good and valid. In this case that actual masculinity and not being whiny, taking successes and failures in stride, and not being a do-nothing complainer. But yhe way the RP guy _gets_ to the nugget and the thoughts surrounding the nugget are totally immature and ignorant. Detracting from the real and universal good that the nugget could be used for.

[@eon001]

Tyler Holston It's already working. FF comments sections are questioning the whole RP sh1t.

[@fizzyjecado]

He’s always been like this... open minded liberal. Don’t fall for the labels. He is willing to talk.

[@aeris...5389]

Destiny is the father figure that is severely lacking in the red pill community

[@RinZ3993]

And who's going to be his father figure? Destiny is still pretty fragile. Still a lot of toxic masculinity.

[@supan00bFTW]

@@watcherofcope crazy, with this mindset you have, can anyone ever grow from their past mistakes and become worthy of your acceptance?

[@aeris...5389]

If we’re thinking fragile means having low self esteem or insecure in one’s thinking then Destiny is the opposite of fragile. he is capable of listening to both sides and give arguments to support his side. He has his truth and actively goes out to engage with people and tries to change people mind.

[@RinZ3993]

@@aeris...5389 I would say that fragility shows in restless behavior. I agree that he can be pretty open and is a nice voice in such a debate. But some of his points need to be challenged imo. And from what I've seen so far, those points could make him insecure.

[@zzghost8593]

@@watcherofcope I appreciate destiny's new style and approach with disagreements. Yeah, I agree his history is pretty shit and he's come off as very pretentious and shitty but I'm down for someone when they grow and become better lol anyone can do better and I'm here for it.

[@aSSGoblin1488]

convo's in person IS SO MUCH BETTER than online discussions. ryan long, sneako and fnf was so great

[@i_hate_simps_2608]

Lasan and l3l3 podcast would never sit down with andrew tate and fnf to debate, they would rather lie about human trafficking and make their sarcastic liberal responses like the dorks they are.

[@xmanhall360]

Ryan Long Destiny was mean too.

[@anonymousanonymous7925]

@@i_hate_simps_2608 andrew tate has stored database criminal records in romania, i don't think that's a lie, you just have to look it up

[@JimC607]

@Mike Byrne He's 24. That's hardly a child.

[@JimC607]

@Mike Byrne Just because someone is too young to run for Senate doesn't mean they're a child, and I didn't ask you any questions wtf you talking about?

[@pedroloto]

These guys are crazy, props to Destiny for having such a chill conversation with them, but some of their ideas are out of this world

[@Fox_Mccloud11]

ever considered you might be the crazy one?

[@pedroloto]

@@Fox_Mccloud11 I could, but in my opinion I'm not

[@ducksten]

@@pedroloto based

[@reyalexandro]

I just can't imagine your whole life being self centered on getting women. I've been married for 4 years, 2 kids, I'm able to provide for my family. And that's all I care about.

[@aloowalia2849]

Are you happy

[@brookealicia92]

@@aloowalia2849I thought it wasn’t about happiness. I’ve heard red pill men say that women’s happiness doesn’t matter at all in a marriage especially when she becomes a mother. It’s her duty to stick out the marriage for the better of the children and anything less is selfish. So, does it not apply to men who are married and have children?

[@TipTheScales27]

They’re way too selfish to be good fathers. Your life ends when you have children, it becomes about them. There’s no way they’d sacrifice their sleep to be a present parent to keep their infants

[@EddyWriter_]

This went a lot better than I initially thought it would! As a more progressive person, I wish more progressives would step outside their comfort zone/echo chambers and have genuine open-minded conversations about hard topics with those they disagree with. I say the same for conservatives and reactionaries. Oftentimes when conservatives or progressives engage with each other, it's to throw shade or poke fun that either side believes the things they do. I like the approach Destiny has recently taken where he acknowledges that people don't have takes/views/ideas (especially in political spaces) without reason. It all comes from somewhere and he's been guiding me to be more empathetic as to WHY people hold certain positions, even if I disagree with the positions themselves or the conclusions those positions lead to. No matter where I go in my political journey (whether moving away from the right a few years ago or criticizing issues in the farther parts of the left now) - Destiny seems to be present altogether.

[@waj4ever16]

Great comment. I was more liberal before the pandemic and after going through it started to see errors in the ways I was thinking. One of the things I noticed was that when speaking with the right, I was able to have a good conversation with them with good dialogue. When I spoke with the (liberal) left and disagreed with them they would say it was because I was a trump lover, misogynistic, racist, far-right or whatever and that’s why I held that opinion. I found it to be quite intellectually dishonest.

[@adrian-dragosbalaban6401]

@@waj4ever16 that or immediate insults

[@anegron3285]

People need to learn that progressive and liberals are two different types Progressive care more about the Issue While liberals are the ones who ya people always talks about Like Hillary and Obama Most progressive people dislike Obama, Hillary, Biden and so on We like Bernie Sanders This is just my opinion. I dislike AOC she is annoying Liberals are the ones who try to cancel everyone who disagree with them on social media Liberals and progressive are fighting each other

[@christianlima987]

If were being honest at least people like crowder do branch out I cant name one person on the left that does that. For example I can say if gender isn’t sex why do trans people need sex hormones (HRT) to transition? And no one ever responds back.

[@ChichiNaka]

did not expect a full understanding of pokemon stats, ev's and IV's from this podcast

[@tranformersaddiction]

That’s cause people base their opinion on shorts and TikTok’s rather than actually taking the time to research before forming an opinion

[@ChichiNaka]

@@tranformersaddiction babe what are you talking about I don't have tiktok and I'm not watching shorts of guys in their 30s talking about how many dumb girls they fucked, I'm talking about real adult shit like Pokemon and the complexities of its online pvp battles

[@ChichiNaka]

@@4evahodlingdoge226 Do they have any of that kind of content now or is it just miami whores all day

[@env0x]

he actually explained some stuff about pokemon stats and rare candies that even I didn't know, and i consider myself a class A super nerd

[@alexandradelatorre5221]

Haha right

[@SUUNisK0]

It’s so funny seeing Sneako try to provoke Destiny and then Destiny smoothly disarming him 😂😂

[@porkerpete7722]

Sneako's an ape

[@mo7mova752]

@@SassanMedia Well played! ; )

[@J.Kimaar]

Destiny you’ve won me over. I was never against you. I jus love your honesty and perspective. I love that you’re not afraid to say the thing that no one is saying.

[@emptyeye1]

This was some of the best content on red pill I’ve ever seen. This was less a battle between ideas and more a discussion on the best ways to improve and understand the world. Love this content.

[@pie579]

💯💯💯

[@davidalan6354]

@@avacadocap9591 hate them even though Destiny agreed with like 90% of the things they said. Gotta love it 😂😂

[@axps4964]

@@davidalan6354 That 10% part about which Destiny and F&F are not on the same page is absurd enough tho. They draw some conclusion from some realities that are just stupid.

[@davidalan6354]

@@axps4964 could you give me some examples? Cause they do go to a lot of extremes I don’t like but 10% is just you being facetious lmao

[@agentfancyyancey]

@@davidalan6354 some of the things that fresh and fit says certainly contradict itself. They will go on and on about how a Instagram and the model type girls or whores and useless, but also to tell their audience these are the kind of woman they need to go after to be fulfilled. How can They call an Instagram model dumb and shallow, when their only criteria for a partner is how hot and fertile she is.

[@jfklmk13447]

I hoenstly feel like Destiny really was holding a lot of himself back in order to have a decent conversation and try and move them even the slightest as opposed to obliterate their dumb and teenage-like views on some issues, good on ya Steven

[@unyieldingmonotony4453]

I don't understand why you guys think this when destiny has talked about this stuff before and said he agrees with a lot of it, but disagrees with the prescriptions that follow. It's like you people don't watch all of destiny's content.

[@jfklmk13447]

@@unyieldingmonotony4453 you completely missed the point of what I've said, what you said doesn't contradict what I've said at all

[@vane_9182]

Lol. I agree

[@scale...3d]

@@jfklmk13447 The only views that are childlike are yours. Destiny didn't hold back anything, same goes for fnf.

[@Dagune]

I agree. If is really as Center Left ad he claims, he let alot of stuff fly by that I asked a Center Left person would have push backed on. I know you cant swing at every pitch in a conversation but, but there was quite a few pitches where I'd just found a happy space of agreement. Or maybe he isn't the same type of Center Left Liberal I am

[@Realleyes]

I haven’t finished the full podcast yet, so maybe it gets better but I am super disappointed in Destiny. The problem with the red pill space is not individualism and ambition, it is the absolute denigration of women. The red pill space does not view/treat women like humans. They see them as objects for sex, children, and housekeeping. I wish that he would push back against that, because that is one they could not talk their way out of.

[@canvasyourself3624]

i felt the same way

[@504gucci4]

You mean like how women only look at men as a wallet,a body guard & a dancing monkey to entertain them ? 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@tylercollins7297]

"Girls don't know that 1/3 of men don't/haven't had sex" "They don't know about men's struggle". What the hell is this dude talking about lololol

[@Zxgrhexbj]

As a woman I guess this is me not caring about mens struggle but how would I even know that? I don’t go through life thinking about anybodies seggs life except mine. Does the average person really think “wow I can’t believe 1/3 of men haven’t had seggs yet, may god have mercy on them”

[@tylercollins7297]

@@Zxgrhexbj exactly my point. It's laughable that this guy thinks women SHOULD care about that.

[@TipTheScales27]

It’s also frustrating how these men will still blame women for all of their problems… they’ve told women to choose better and they have and now they’re mad that women aren’t putting up with their insufferable personalities anymore 😂

[@Sealwithwificonnection]

It's not that they should care about it necessarily. But it's funny how much women ask for empathy about the dumbest sh!t and most can't really process how frustrating it is as a guy to not receive any love or attention when they don't even know what they're doing wrong exactly. Before you reply "well maybe they should stop being incels XDD" I agree. But in order to do that as a dude you have to work hard and, even if I disagree with most of TRP's outlook, the manosphere at least gives them a path to follow instead of the condescending dismissals from feminized progressives

[@Sealwithwificonnection]

@TipTheScales27 that's hilarious. Women are choosing better? Let's just ignore the rampant single motherhood, divorce and the constant whining of women "where are all the good men at?" Zero self-awareness, Jesus Christ

[@JayDeerTay]

This is why I watch Destiny. Good job to both sides. It didnt have to turn into a screaming match and it didnt. Well done.

[@rihhard1072]

Sneako has officially become.. Destiny's Child

[@Violaphobia]

"Why would you take the risk of crying in front of your partner? What if they leave you?" What is wrong with these guys? What are their relationships like? Edit: "As a guy, you get no benefits by being a friend with a woman" They are aware that women can do things besides sex, right?

[@constantlycorrect8550]

You don't yet understand that your greatest value IS your sexuality. Once you actually grasp that, the world will make a lot more sense to you.

[@jakobhancock106]

They don't want a relationship. They want a literal slave. They don't view women as humans they view them as animals solely made for their exploitation. How can anyone watch this and not be disgusted.

[@tylercollins7297]

Don't waste your breath dude. These guys perspective is that of a 17-21 year old dude when it comes to women.

[@gregre99]

@@jakobhancock106 I think a lot of adolescents males (15-20) think like this, the problem is not growing out of it and not developing your emotional depth. Their emotional depth is not much more then a 1/2” puddle, they’re stuck in the brain of a child

[@loud6037]

@@jakobhancock106 I am disgusted. But I think that's why the community needs people like Destiny to start chipping away at the ideology and guiding the conversation back to some modicum of reason. I liked this because at least it was productive compared to what you usually see from these guys. I see that as progress.

[@aacc3585]

I love how these guys spent so much time defending materialism and then destiny confronts them in person about it and they all back down and pretend they weren’t materialistic

[@cookn6732]

Because Myron is an extreme minimalist

[@johnkatz1665]

You think they’re materialist (and shallow by insinuation) because that’s a straw man you’ve created or believe what someone else has told you. Actually listen to their message properly instead of watching a few out of context clips.

[@catmanmanson799]

It's how it always goes, almost every person will scale back their radical positions (most people have at least one) when confronted about it in person

[@NoHaBi02]

That's not at all the case. F&F talk all the time about how you should invest your money into assets that will make you more money, rather than spending it on materialistic items. You're judging them based off of your ignorance.

[@puccimane1017]

@@johnkatz1665 I’ve watched the whole thing and they’re still materialistic???? They obviously view women as material and have an unhealthy obsession. They just use “biology” and stereotypes as an excuse but its easy to tell where it is coming from. Most of it is based on spite from past relationships it seems. They have the maturity and talk like bitter teenage boys, the main audience who agrees with these types of hollow philosophies. It’s really just plain immature hopefully most of you guys grow out of it soon and don’t end up like these 30 year old goof balls. Im being a bit of a hater but I suppose it’s warranted given the effect these types of guys can have

[@don-jc3rd]

Shout of to Destiny for going on a different platform that he disagrees with to debate. More of this is needed instead of the cancellation BS. Great guy!

[@redshift912]

He has been doing this for years .. you should look through his old videos since you are new

[@nixta2528]

@Ronald Nygma prolly from the other audience

[@blushihtzu]

Why it that it's always the people on left that refuse to talk to people with different worldviews? Not only that they refuse to have a conversation, they also want to cancel the opposition.

[@TheAliceQuo]

What fucking timeline is this where we have... Destiny on fresh n fit Mr Girl is the one arguing against cuties Dan is actually showing up to every panel

[@BradleyCTurner]

Life has truly become a parody of comedy.

[@MuscleboundKage]

What's next Hassan claiming to be a capitalist but acting like a socialist?

[@beyoncehadoneofthebest]

dark brandon really rising

[@TheStrix]

Shouting into the void here, I think that Destiny hits on something really important about friendships. The redpill guys might be right that some women can often be more particular and petty with each other, but what they're missing is that there's an emotional honesty in that pettiness even if it's not healthy. Men can stay bros their whole life, but they struggle to take that last layer of the wall down and be real unless it's a clear cut situation where they can keep looking masculine. Red pill types are very good at taking true observations and drawing the wrong conclusions from those observations.

[@christianlima987]

I don’t get what you’re saying you’ve never had a male friend say or you have said to a male friend you’re acting like a piece of shit. The problem is women will mostly do the petty thing to women they aren’t friends with. Inviting problems. As a man I prefer to pedestalize honesty over emotional honesty because emotions are come and go.

[@silversalmon9909]

@@christianlima987 honesty is emotional? Honesty only ever refers to emotions. "What do you think about this thing?" "Well in my honest opinion...".

[@Icanbacktrailers]

@@christianlima987 the caricature of woman in your head is wrong. Do you actually know any woman?

[@Icanbacktrailers]

Their emotional honesty isn’t restricted to just pettiness though. Woman are just better at sharing and listening to each others personal problems. They are comfortable being vulnerable with friends. I’m a guy and I only found out my best mate was having marital problems when he showed up on my doorstep needing a place to sleep. We went for a drink and I found out a whole lot of stuff that he had been keeping to himself. He stayed for about a month

[@christianlima987]

@@silversalmon9909 honesty doesn’t refer to emotions. That’s such a Reddit thing to say. Honesty refers to truth. Now the Reddit brain of a Destiny viewer will say while what about my truth. And that highlights the difference between honesty and emotional honesty. If I ask is a 300 pound person fat? and someone says in my honest opinion, no. They are not honest.

[@idontwhy3132]

I don't think pushing people to tryhard is that bad. The problem w/ the redpill trend is that it tends to inject the idea of distrust towards women that goes far beyond merely being careful and it seems to come from a place of validating past ego damage. It's a type of cope that damages men's chances of finding a fulfilling relationship because it poisons their minds to perceive every woman with the lowest common denominators of female nature. The worst of feminism does the exact same thing to women.

[@benjaminwatson7868]

True

[@valdeirrodrigues5666]

'damages men's chances of finding a fulfilling relationship', 'poisons their minds' what a hell are you talking about? one of the things that redpill teaches us is to find a high-value woman. feminism teaches women to be disrespectful to man

[@Unclejamsarmy]

Very well said

[@emperortgp2424]

trueeeed so much at this comment that I've got a permanent soy face now

[@skmg2888]

It's not a distrust out of the blue though. U cannot deny that women hold all the power in the dating market now. In the last 15 years they have overwhelmingly became extremely superficial and consumed with attention as a result of social media and dating apps. Women no longer commit as much or are willing to work through issues because they can access a new man by simply logging onto their Instagram. This isn't some conspiracy red pill hate towards women, it's common sense if u just open your eyes

[@Darm0k]

That dude is out of his mind if he thinks that women just "show up and get what they want." Does he have any idea how much time women spend on makeup, skin care, and hair removal? Does he know how expensive it is for women to go to a salon to get their hair done vs men? It's like 4 or 5 times as expensive for women to get their hair done. Has he ever woken up with a woman and seen how long it takes for her to get ready to do something as simple as go out for brunch? The standards for male hygiene don't even come close to approaching what women do every fucking day. And these guys whole world revolves around young attractive women. There are plenty of average or ugly women who struggle to get dates. Those women are invisible to these guys. They criticize insta-thots and onlyfans girls, but that's all they really want to date. Any girl below a 6 is a just a troll to them.

[@hannah34218]

Exactly. A below average woman is basically living the same life as an average attractive level man. No perks, only downsides. These women aren’t living the “yacht only fans” lifestyle. It must be annoying as hell to be an “ugly” woman and constantly hear about female privilege when you don’t benefit at all. Somehow this type of guy completely disregards an entire demographic of people. They ridicule “trolls” instead of praising them for living life without using their looks to “get ahead”. Then within the same breath, ridicule the above average women FOR using their looks to get ahead. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

[@StoicBehavioR]

Obviously you missed the point of *_"show up and get what they want."_* When it comes to dating the man has approach said woman, ask her out, take her on date, make her laugh, pay for date, take her home, and make sure she gets inside safe. What is that woman doing to contributing to further that relationship? *"There are plenty of average or ugly women who struggle to get dates. Those women are invisible to these guys."* Those average to ugly women can still have access to getting sex or a relationship from men but not from the men they want. That's the key component you're leaving out is the unrealistic standards women have when it comes to men. Wheat Waffle's "The *3* Tiers of Men - Which Are You?" video and lots of his content goes into depth on this. While a man on the other hand doesn't have any options. At one time the highest grossing onlyfans chick was "average looking at best." Why is that? Because the men paying for her content can see themselves dating/ in relationship with her.

[@kareemramzey8870]

Yeah no body talks about average girls

[@StoicBehavioR]

@@kareemramzey8870 *"Yeah no body talks about average girls"* Dunno if this is sarcasm or not. But majority of women are average without make-up on. Even if the average woman doesn't wear much make-up she'll get hit on or ask out by men regardless.

[@kareemramzey8870]

@@StoicBehavioR no I'm agreeing with you. didn't mean to come of sarcastic 😅

[@slimthecatdad]

Fresh and fit: Men aren't predators Also Fresh and fit: Men are like lions hunting gazelles....

[@annegiii3446]

Pls lmaoo 😭😭😭

[@davidpinontoan]

In the end if ,your off spring is calibrated to socialise with other offspring that’s all that matters Idk if I conveyed it correctly but Jordan Peterson

[@davidpinontoan]

@@chrisc4507 I eat cringe

[@picardcook7569]

@@davidpinontoan you are what you eat 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♀️

[@davidpinontoan]

@@picardcook7569 carbon

[@TheSlimmestJim]

Watching people in Fresh’s stream waste their life savings just to get ignored will never not be funny 💀

[@PK-xu7gu]

Why do people pay?

[@taylorg8509]

If u pay you can get your chat read , pretty dumb , I’ve done it but only a couple dollar donos to a really small KZbinr I like

[@MrEvldreamr]

They pay to support the channel

[@Youngstar37]

@@MrEvldreamr its still stupid

[@andreja9119]

Everybody does that, dont try to be smart

[@philcook227]

I just became a subscriber. Destiny can triangulate the political space in ways I haven’t heard from many streamers.

[@Bori.1776]

My problem with fresh and fit it’s their universal descriptions of women as if human beings have set rolls in life that they absolutely cannot break out of, like we’re robots. Yes, there are biological traits but were such complicated creatures that it’s so asinine to just fit groups of people into what you think they should be.

[@TheFreshTrumpet]

I just wish they’d take one social psych course, they’re the type to say men and women have more differences than similarities and that’s just painfully false. Gender wars bs is all just so fascinating from an outsider’s (gay) perspective lol

[@Bori.1776]

@@TheFreshTrumpet Exactly, I’m not a denier of the differences between the sexes but when they say shit like “men and women are wildly different creatures” it’s just so wrong it’s not even funny.

[@puccimane1017]

Yea thats the biggest issue I have with them as well. It kinda feels like it’s mostly just based out if bitterness from past situations with women (with Sneako it’s extremely obvious)

[@akozzy9919]

Your focused on the minority of people who break out of a roles. If 50.1% of a men or women show a consistent behavior, that observation is accurate regardless of what 5%, 10 or the sum of the rest do.

[@TheFreshTrumpet]

@@akozzy9919 nah absolutely not enough to justify “women want to be servants” and “women are bad drivers” like we just took a time machine back 50 fkn years lol and that’s assuming >50% of women align with everything they rag on. Most of their generalizations sound sheltered af to anyone who’s met more than 1 type of woman, plus that shit just breeds sexist Mars vs Venus prejudices. imo there are way better ways to discuss the underlying trends they’re going for without talking about women like they’re a subspecies under men lol like holy hell

[@stevenm732]

Low key I bet Destiny has been Myron’s favorite guest in the shows history so far. You can just tell Myron lives for this kind of back and forth and Destiny and him both talk hella fast and immediately know what their counterpoint is going to be.

[@Kitsibalogh]

Ngl they were a joy to listen to, I would bring in an Andrew Tate too, bc when hes debating intelligent men he is really chill.

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

@@Kitsibalogh lol sure

[@lunkee6972]

@@Kitsibalogh Andrew Tate and chill have never been used in the same sentence before now LMAO

[@Kitsibalogh]

@@lunkee6972 You haven't seen it**** bc u probably despise and condemn that man for no reason.

[@lunkee6972]

@@Kitsibalogh woah. Do you need a step stool for that reach buddy? I never said anything if I liked him or not. I just never saw him chill. Do you need an ice pack too for how heated you got for no reason? LMAO

[@stelanutela]

How a woman can feel secure with a man that is still craving the attention from the village ?? This argument based on "biology" is just irresponsible and immature...

[@constantlycorrect8550]

Keep eating nutella, fatty.

[@lehxyx]

People who want multiple partners are going to attract people who want multiple partners. With a few who thought they'd change and eventually left in between. These guys have such a delusion that they can be the worst possible "husband" and come out with the best possible wife. Nah, you can live your life with the women of OnlyFans.

[@666MaRius9991]

Yes i don't think any serious woman would want to be in a harem lmao

[@metaphysicalfractionals4509]

I could be apart of a harem if all my bills were paid and I was spoiled financially but I definitely won't be faithful....but I wouldn't let the guy know I was out creeping, hence why the "milk man" and the "pool boy" are jokes steeped in reality

[@janettejack7721]

@@metaphysicalfractionals4509 yeah I don't think the women seriously love those kind of men..they would just love the lifestyle but there wouldn't be any fulfilment

[@BoneBll]

Was anybody driven crazy by the double standard in their evaluation of women? One on hand they dismiss everything a woman says about what they want then they turn around and point to how a woman would say she wouldn't want to step out on their man. Its contradictory.

[@504gucci4]

Dont listen to what women say, watch what they do, their actions.

[@jessieis]

53:37 I've been having this same argument with social media before. Everyone seems to acknowledge that damage social media has done, but no one is deleting their social media (at least not in mass scale). It has become a monster that has affected all of us with unrealistic standards.

[@letsjustsay6883]

Drugs is bad, still addicts have a hard time leaving it

[@dna8269]

Check out Hamza’s latest videos about guys deleting Instagram and IG banning him for suggesting people delete their social media. We have a real problem on our hands as a society against these apps

[@tranformersaddiction]

It’s probably the worst thing that has happened to the modern world and we have yet to see the true repercussions of it

[@Doeyhead]

@@tranformersaddiction i actually disagree...we are seeing the true repercussions now and only in the last few years have i started to hear a backlash to social media.

[@NathanBonline]

So not true, I know so many people that have deleted social media, i mean just look at facebook and snapchat, how many of your friends are still using it? Well if you are above the age of 22-25 its a very small percentage. More people are deleting insta or using their insta like linkedin(for business purposes) and tiktok is specifically for kids. So actually right now if you are a normal person (not influencer/business and not a teen) I guess you only have youtube to turn to. I spend much less time on social media than I did 5-10 years ago. But thats not to say the next big thing targeting the demographic i'm talking about isn't around the corner Everything swings in roundabouts.

[@itsrena9750]

They show respect to destiny they would never tolerate a woman saying same things,… they’d frank castle her right away. Shows they do have misogyny cos it triggers them when women says same points

[@eagle5818]

Been super redpilled lately and it's honestly been a bit overwhelming. I disagree with some redpill but i can definitely understand it. Recently i have been watching Destiny and it's refreshing to open my mind, good to hear both sides and not just from one side confirming your beliefs which can make you delusional.

[@teunvandalen7529]

good for you

[@IsomerSoma]

Sounds like a religion.

[@TheTruthPenguin]

I've waited for Destiny to be on here and I was not disappointed

[@EvilShadex101]

The issue with the biological imperative argument is that it only truly applies if we were like cavemen. We go against our “biological imperative” just by living in a civilized society. Some things still hold true but it’s not as cut and dry they are making it seem.

[@PicGirl904]

Especially with their “girl boss” complaints. Like for the average person, you can’t run a household without two incomes. Is what it is in this economy, women don’t necessarily have a choice but to work if she wants a family. So when the woman is equally providing financially, they don’t want to have 100% of the household responsibilities or have to dote relentlessly on their husband to keep him happy with coffee or ironing their clothes every morning when they do an equal amount of out of the house work. That’s been the reason men have used for a long time “I work, I provide money, I don’t have to contribute in the home in any way bc I’m the reason we have a home”. Just not how things work anymore for the average person, which is most people. Also women have ALWAYS been working, working for your family just wasn’t counted in statistics for a long, long time. Something like 60% of women had a job in 1860, contributing to the family business like a farm or a shop doing non “household” things. It was listed at like 10 percent until they actually looked into what women truly provided, like doing actual work to further the success of their husbands/fathers/uncles business with none of the credit.

[@StoicBehavioR]

@@PicGirl904 Swing a miss on the "boss chick" push back... Boss chick is women that are independent female's with the attitude of "I have my own money and have my shit together" they talk about how they have their own place, car, and pay their own bills. Down right a functioning human being in society, congrats.. Basically a woman in her masculinity. Majority of men don't want that type of women because what you get is argumentative push back on everything. But these "boss chicks" think when a certain man comes along they want to be with, they can turn off their masculinity and turn on their femininity like it's a damn light switch. That's not how that works at all.. Even Cam Newton touch upon this..

[@DSPHistoricalSociety]

True

[@MostLucid]

@@StoicBehavioR I think it's good that they get to live their lives how they want as someone independent. I don't see how it's a swing and a miss. I don't think the reason why the relationships don't work is because these women get argumentative. I think it's because these women tend to be ultra picky when selecting a partner. They don't usually marry down and this creates a shortage of options for them in the dating market. There are kinks in this current dating system but it's nothing that can't eventually be dealt with

[@StoicBehavioR]

@@MostLucid *" I don't think the reason why the relationships don't work is because these women get argumentative."* Actually it is.. They don't want the man to lead the relationship. They look at it as a partnership. Partnership is for people doing business together, not looking to grow with someone personal. *"I think it's because these women tend to be ultra picky when selecting a partner"* Correct! The men they want, don't want them. Why is that? Because those men options is one reason the other is their attitude!

[@artistryartistry7239]

This conversation is so devoid of logic and real, TRUE, deep, careful thinking that it's entertainment masquerading as enlightenment. Too many people think youtube personalities say things worth listening to when people should actually be listening to more serious discussions on these matters from: psychologists, sociologists, and philosophers, etc -- you know, people whose viewpoints are backed up with facts and a lifetime of study.

[@Dagune]

I would argue that experts like you describe are humans and can be wrong and that KZbinrs are ppl too who live their lives and learn from their experiences. I think both are equally valid. I would absorb from both.

[@hashtagunderscore3173]

Thank goodness. I thought I was the only one who saw this for the bullshit that it is.

[@Icanbacktrailers]

Yeah I’m embarrassed that I’m watching this. It’s so dumb

[@Lili-ey1nd]

Men aren’t allowed to step into traditionally feminine roles because of other men NOT women, do not blame that on society blame yourselves for having homophobic joke culture that actually affects your own men🥸

[@SenorPenor1337]

Nah not true, if I'm with a bunch of dudes I'll wear shit clothes and not do my hair. I'd never do that around any women

[@user-lh7mt7zo7l]

It's both women AND men that do that

[@pinolskun8764]

As a foreigner, you guys have the potential to achieve something great with these discussions, fixing the huge divide between left and right in the usa. You know you need it. Reach for that, you have a unique way and chance to do so.

[@HomoErectus311]

Some people hate women; other don’t lol .

[@malbasedvalentine3210]

Yes and no. Destiny is still headstrong and ignorant in moving or compromising with things that he believes are morally superiority.

[@pinolskun8764]

@@malbasedvalentine3210 idk how much i agree, yes he is solid on his opinions but he also allows those opinions to change. tho that takes its time, i think thats natural

[@pinolskun8764]

@@HomoErectus311 username does not check out

[@ForeverMasterless]

@@malbasedvalentine3210 Ummm...why wouldn't he be? Shouldn't everyone be? The problem isn't that most people are headstrong in regards to their morals, it that their morals are inherited or copied from other people without actually questioning them, or based on some gut emotional response to a question, so they have no solid and internally consistent moral foundation from which to be headstrong about something. If you have a consistent moral system you can be headstrong and refuse to budge to someone who has a bad moral foundation or whose moral foundation is vastly different than your own.

[@fatnose0]

"You gotta become the best version of yourself, and that means : working out, making a lot of money" It's like they'll say for one second that the money doesn't make you a better person, and then 2 minutes later they forget.

[@caitlinharper1633]

Fresh is dumb, I don’t know why Myron does the show with him honestly lol

[@Rissen_]

Nooooo you dont understanddddd the money comes when you become a good mannnn thats what we mean broooo Its hilarious how they dont understand what materialism is,

[@theobell2002]

​@@Rissen_ You don't get money for being a "good" man. There's a lot of horrible people out there who are wealthy.

[@Rissen_]

@@theobell2002 how isnt it obvious that im being sarcastic. With the long dragged out leterssss and the fact at the bottom i literally say how theyre stupid for how they think.

[@theobell2002]

@@Rissen_ Oh nvm. I'm retarded.

[@GauthierE]

I feel like i'm loosing neurons just hearing this 'red pill guys' but i'm glad there's at least someone Inteligent debating against that mentality

[@BAMBAMNAN]

That’s the only reason I’m able to watch. Bc destiny is very open to everything not just either side

[@danielrubin353]

Hearing destiny talk about neighborhoods like mine in such a positive light was really uplifting. We don't always have a lot but as long as we've got each other we're gonna be alright and we're gonna have a good time.

[@chipsmx]

Watched the entire discussion live, it was great. As an F&F fan, thank you for coming on when others don’t dare doing so. You were an exceptional guest 🫡

[@55blackty]

I didn’t know F&F still had legit fans

[@beastmasterbg]

hey dude , we chatted before it started live. It was cool!

[@Ematched]

@Dugtrio hey, it takes time. Viewers often need time to adjust.

[@HomoErectus311]

@Dugtrio Yea it takes time to convert incels. Can’t go too hard on them lol.

[@IAmChad7]

I'm a Destiny fan, shout out to FnF Fans...some these Destiny Fans are so Left they can't chill, and admit this was a valid podcast.

[@maevepark7892]

must be dark times for Destiny being on this platform, at best being typical 21 year old frat boys and at worst talking about 'continuing to beat women to remind them that they're physically inferior' .... top tier intellect and moral integrity right there

[@amazingbecka1]

The most complicated thing about this conversation is that there are grains of truth to what Sneako and F+F are saying: it is in fact, common for rich and powerful men to cheat on their wives. I think what they’re missing is that this is not a desirable state of affairs. Both of them have succumbed to the idea that they cannot and should not control themselves sexually, and that somewhere out there, there’s a quality woman who can be a good mother and a faithful partner that also doesn’t blink at them going hog wild on a bunch of 22 year olds. It’s preposterous. At the core of their philosophy is a desperate rationalization for the inability of certain men to respect, relate, or commit to a woman and it’s glaringly obvious. They want to pretend that a man could never commit to a woman or find joy in doing so and that simply isn’t true. Men do it all the time. Out of the countless couples I know, the only ones who have lasting and fulfilling relationships are the ones based on mutual faithfulness, respect and trust; the polyamorous marriages rarely last and almost everyone (male and female) I’ve ever known who was involved in polygamy has told me in no uncertain terms that it’s a shit show and to stay far away from it. The philosophy being dished up by Sneako and F+F views women as little more than the dirt in which they will plant their seeds; it is arrogant, impractical, and utterly self-serving. Their ideology will bring nothing but misery to them and any self-loathing woman taken in by it. Perhaps one day these two enterprising young gentleman will find true love with a quality woman who has dignity and self respect and who will laugh in their face at the asinine arrangement that they are proposing. Perhaps they will be forced to compromise or perhaps they will continue this quest for empty casual sex into their 50s or 60s at the cost of any true connection or lasting relationship with a good woman. Totally up to them. I just wish they knew how pathetic they’ll look. Edit: kudos to Destiny for his forthrightness about his open relationship. Though I don’t hold polyamory in any particularly high esteem, I appreciate his “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander” attitude. I’d bet that he doesn’t particularly like his wife screwing around, but at least he’s not a raging hypocrite about his lifestyle like some people.

[@TheDuncskunk]

I'm probably gonna come back and watch this video later(I am only a few minutes in). I'm now listening to this while I type this reply: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJeUmoR4oMeCnJY That being said: I appreciate your input. My experience is that women I date, even women who are vocally feminist, want to know that I can sleep with other women. If they don't feel I am valued by the other sex it makes staying in the relationship that much harder. Women who don't experience an element of dread(that the relationship might end) aren't incentivised to actively participate in the relationship. They(SNEAKO and F+F) might find "high-quality" partners who 'laugh in their face' and they may choose to compromise so as to give the opportunity a chance. If that happens the success or failure of the relationship in the long term will depend on the self-awareness of everyone involved more that just that one compromise/assertion. Being an adult about all this stuff is hard. Thanks again for your longer-form comment Ms Sub.

[@mr.cheese2278]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[@amazingbecka1]

@@TheDuncskunk I won’t deny that men and women tend to value sexual behavior in different ways, in my experience. Both men and women want to be with someone who is desirable to others; but men might prefer less sexual experience, while women tend to prefer more. Whether this is biological or cultural is hard to say, but it’s a reality that I would recommend that people, especially women, be aware of. Promiscuity is obviously damaging to society in my opinion (it causes disease, single motherhood, and emotional detachment and trauma), but it’s hard to know what exactly to do about it. Regardless of any hypocrisy or double standard that society has about promiscuous women vs promiscuous men, I would advise my own sex against wasting time screwing around with short term losers. It isn’t fulfilling, it isn’t glamorous, it can be downright dangerous, and it sure as hell won’t get you any closer to finding a good man. I would also advise men to have the same standards, regardless of the hypocrisy of society. Always remember that women want to follow men; and that your example is a strong influence on the women around you. If men would exercise more control, I guarantee that most women would follow suit and a healthier society would follow. Nothing baffles me more than the ability of some men to speak of promiscuous women being damaged and worthless, and then gleefully participating in that damage; lying, manipulating, coaxing, pressuring, and persuading a woman to give in to him sexually and then sl*t shaming her afterwards. Women are easily influenced, especially by men; they genuinely want to please men and give them what they want. And if they are constantly getting mixed messages from every man they know (men want sl*ts, men want virgins, men want this, that or the other) it’s no wonder everything is so fucked between the sexes (no pun intended). I would encourage everyone to restrain themselves sexually as much as they can and to channel their energy into lasting relationships and not empty sexual hedonism. And to do it with as little hypocrisy as you can, regardless of societal perception.

[@blondetapperware8289]

Glad somebody says it. These guys are smart, but whenever I hear them all talk about this I'm like what the-

[@silversalmon9909]

@@amazingbecka1 Destiny is a very unique person, emotionally and psychologically. He often talks about his outlook on life, and his relationship, saying "do not do what I do, not even 1% of the population could do this." I think he is genuinely unbothered by the open relationship, even if his wife is also sleeping with others. He's just built that way I suppose, he's talked about how he "has a non-typical experience of processing emotions". And he's very open about the fact that an open relationship by its very nature brings more problems into it than a monogamous one, saying "If you cant even handle a relationship with one person, and really truly have a stable relationship with one person, you're screwed if you try to add more."

[@TrinikidHBK]

Destiny did solid here. Pushed back as much as he could have I think

[@akozzy9919]

@@0doublezero0 That was majority of the discussion.

[@Nrt2Pnt0]

@@0doublezero0 it's takes 1 and 2 to get 3

[@julianbroughton]

"You acknowledge it, so that you can overcome it" - Destiny. I'm taking that. But I strongly believe that you only acknowledge it IF your plan is to overcome it.

[@RanEncounter]

You really should see how many people think they fully acknowledge a problem and are even working on a solution but are totally wrong in their approach and the underlying problem. The example Destiny was talking about was talking about that.

[@DSPHistoricalSociety]

Nice!

[@TXAslingr]

it's nice to see destiny hit the brake pedal instead of the gas. persuasive af

[@ChristmasLore]

Based 🌿

[@logo960]

Yeah. i feel like he's slowly pulling people to a more reasonable world view. Sometimes when you try to deconstruct every point in someone's opinion, there can easily be a fracture in a debate and nothing productive comes out of it.

[@ll2323]

It’s all apart of his plan.

[@killer3000ad]

He's alot more polite and less abrasive when the people he's debating are withing punching range.

[@loud6037]

Half an hour in and this is the first time I've found myself interested in and enjoying a fresh and fit podcast. Even Myron has a lot of value to add to the conversation when he isn't focused on being as big a dick as possible, even though I still didn't agree with everything he had to say, for once his message didn't get lost in the telling. If redpill were to go more down this road in a more mature, nuanced, constructive direction, I, as a woman, would actually get something of value from what these people have to say. This looked a lot more like the kind of podcasts I tend to gravitate towards. Destiny, I think your presence is really good for this community.

[@gailliotr6175]

I couldn't agree more. 💯

[@AJweathersby]

You basically described Kevin Samuels

[@CrystalMannequins]

But whole online red pill community is based off bashing women the only reason they were calm and more reasonable was cuz it was just the men in the room lol

[@iiPotatoes]

Why the fuck would you be with someone you can't be vulnerable with? You're literally sabotaging yourself by being with someone like that.

[@666MaRius9991]

Might as well buy a robot partner at that point 😂

[@KreysHealth]

You can be vulnerable but the woman will naturally loose attraction. it’s proven in studies.

[@cokeMONSTERps3]

24:10 I did not expect pokemon's IV and EV mechanics be used so succinctly as a metaphor on here.

[@masewindo3902]

Love your take Destiny, it reminds me of this book I read called "Moves: Dating is a Game" that tries to solve the problem this generation of men face with being good at videogames, but bad at dating. It was definitely worth the read. Anyways, love the content.

[@ll2323]

Thank, love when people recommend books.

[@SuperiorRobyn]

What if your a female going through the same problems?

[@masewindo3902]

@@SuperiorRobyn No, it's for men as the dynamics and roles between the sexes are different.

[@SuperiorRobyn]

I am going through the same f*cking sh** as a female. that’s why I asked what about me, cause I know my answer to the problem is different

[@tracer4322]

I thought the conversation was going well up until the end with the evolutionary psychology stuff and about relationship dynamics between men and women. It was honestly hard to follow because I feel like it's just such a bizarre and outdated perspective. I'm definitely biased as a feminist and someone that believes people should pursue relationships for love first, but in my opinion, this outlook on life insults both men and women. I was shocked when Fresh called men "worthless commodities." He's talking about men as if they have no restraint and no emotional needs in a relationship. A relationship where one person is constantly fucking other people while the other person is expected to stay monogamous, be okay with the cheating, and even encourage the cheating sounds disastrous. Telling young men to expect this even when they become successful is just setting them up for failure because Destiny is right when he says that very few women in today's age would go for that kind of dynamic. It's so strange to see people talk about marriages as if they are just transactions of "biological needs" and fulfilling the best "reproductive strategy" instead of a loving lifelong commitment to one another. To each his own I guess.

[@constantlycorrect8550]

It's not outdated. That's the fucking point. It's in our DNA. Modernity is a tiny blip on the radar, when compared to the vast history of humanity. Our brains still think we're living in caveman days. Ever why sugar is so tasty? Look it up. That's no different than the reproductive strategies we're all hard-wired to follow.

[@kaycashin138]

I would totally agree. Bizarre and im surprised destiny didn’t push back more. As a women, this conversation was hard to listen to. They seem to be generalizing both men and women and kept equating a woman’s value to her fertility and youth. It’s like he was encouraging women to choose homemaking and children at a young age because if they choose their own lives and careers they will have less value by the time they are ready to settle down. Idk…doesn’t feel right to me and makes me sad that these men feel this way about themselves (men in general) and women. We aren’t that different from each other.

[@OmniKoneko]

@@kaycashin138 I feel the same way

[@ouibscfdadade1245]

But the things ir’s thar they are right , main purpose of humanity is to evovle , creat and have a descendance, like any others species on earth. Mariages is based ON biological needs , but that’s don’t tzke away from it it’s loving commitment

[@tracer4322]

@@ouibscfdadade1245 For most people, marriage is not based on biological needs. As an institution, marriage is about religion, finances, and/or love. That's why there are married people who don't have kids

[@pie579]

This is healthy to discuss stuff and come to understanding and respect each other on issues instead of being so divisive

[@allgreatnike1009]

Will Destiny save Sneako?! FIND OUT NEXT TIME ON DRAGON BALL Z!!!!

[@Skullfire56]

He probably won’t but I hope he does.

[@johndwyer1445]

Only person who can truly"save" sneako is sneako

[@Skullfire56]

@@johndwyer1445 I get what you mean but looking at him now, it’s more like “the only person in causing Sneako’s downfall is Sneako”

[@johndwyer1445]

@@Skullfire56 either way I cant wait to see how it all plays out

[@tamlin420]

You could also ask yourself... Would you even WANT a girlfriend who would stop being attracted to you if she saw you crying? I've had girlfriends who have LOVED to see my emotional side, like if we watch a movie and she sees me tearing up she would immediately kiss me. And she would repeatedly tell me how much she loves that side of me. So yeah...

[@StellarAudyssey]

So where are these girlfriends of yours now?

[@hannah34218]

I personally feel even more deeply connected to the man I’m with if he shows that emotion and cries infront of me. Vulnerability IS strength. Strength is masculine. Especially if it’s, like you said, tearing up at a movie. It shows emotional depth and it’s incredibly endearing. If a woman leaves her partner because he was breaking down crying after his MOM DIED, I would think of her as less than dirt and undeserving of any serious relationship. And even IF the woman “isn’t attracted” to the man in the moment, so what? You’re not going to be attracted to your partner 100% of the time in a deep, committed relationship! That’s real life.

[@aloowalia2849]

@@StellarAudyssey i am married for 14 years and my husband has cried quite a few times in front of me and it has never affected me that much but maybe it is because I come from a culture which sees marriage as 'till the death do us apart'

[@StellarAudyssey]

@@hannah34218 Typical feminine logic. Nice try, but vulnerability is objectively not a masculine trait.

[@StellarAudyssey]

@@aloowalia2849 “it never affected me *that much*”. But it definitely affected you, so it’s not inherently attractive.

[@jankajkowski2618]

Destiny's take on vulnerability was so spot on.

[@semir9112]

This went really well. Destiny was able to make the conversation meaningful and calm. I honestly expected Fresh and Fit screaming and ridiculing him just like they usually do when they meet someone with different opinions. And this whole thing went over Sneako's head. He was expecting the type of conversation he had with Destiny and he felt out of place when his heros were able to have a calm and reasonable conversation with him.

[@aono335]

He looked like a lost kid. Lmao

[@veritasabsoluta4285]

@@arcane.1212 why are people calling Hasan Lasan now? Lol

[@joematan6117]

“Just like they usually do” we know u don’t watch F&F only times they really messed up was the Aba n preach situation and a little bit from the Australian podcast

[@semir9112]

@@joematan6117 Dude, the whole podcast is about screaming and bullying women. Whenever a woman makes a good point they interrupt her and scream that they're talking and she doesn't have respect. Btw you also forgot the girl they were harrasing, because she didn't want to fuck them.

[@jazeroliversy673]

@@veritasabsoluta4285 idk my guess is because he’s a walking L? Idk I hardly watch politics stuff anymore

[@keely-lornekirby7370]

It blows my mind how so much of their points are made based purely off their opinion, they tend to generalise on a lot of their points and make assumptions no real evidence to back it up.

[@dark_nightwing_xl2797]

I mean they tell some truth and some lies

[@keely-lornekirby7370]

@@dark_nightwing_xl2797 maybe I’m a vaccine it makes sense, but hey present their points as if it applies to the majority and not just the echo chamber in which they associate with

[@keely-lornekirby7370]

@@dark_nightwing_xl2797 but yeah, some of what they say does hold true in general, I just hate how disingenuously it’s presented

[@autonomic471]

It's hilarious watching Sneako trying to fit into the conversation

[@julianprofas]

Honestly he was fine, his shtick is disagreeing with opposite opinion stuff but Destiny just agreed on a lot of points.

[@noicemate9111]

@@julianprofas he added absolutely nothing lol the Myron dude was reasonable and the other dude just sounds clueless

[@PK-xu7gu]

@@noicemate9111 The other dude can't even speak properly. He sounds like she's had a stroke.

[@noicemate9111]

@@PK-xu7gu he sounds like he just doesn’t believe what he’s saying and speaks with so much uncertainty. It’s like he’s forcing himself to be the way he is. Idk it’s weird

[@mariah1299]

One of the best podcasts with them that I’ve seen honestly this is so good two different mindsets coming together to have a healthy debate

[@jessieis]

13:55 I love destiny for that. While money is great to have for an easier life, it should not be the only purpose of living. Everyone is going to have their own vision of what a fulfilled life is. For someone like fresh it's cars , money and women (yes he mentioned taking care of his mom). For Density, his vision is the opposite of them with family and friends (not to say f&f may not care about that) Everyone doesn't want the same thing and is not material obsessed. Yes, we should all do better, but also remember to enjoy your life and ride along the way.

[@darkarokay8921]

"ive never said that" Previous conversation: "IF YOU WANNA BE A MAN YOU NEED HOES, BUGATTIS AND MONEY. IF YOU AINT GETTING IT YOU AINT A MAN!"

[@lokkol8658]

This podcast was a W no 🧢 on a stack 💯

[@screenname9872]

Common Destiny W 🤓

[@captainjerkov6150]

Facts fam

[@JustEli123]

@Marco A 🤨👉💪🏻💪🏻

[@jordanxowens2078]

Destiny is the only person here that understands how to think objectively.

[@bald_phoenix]

I was on board until the last section about sexual boundaries. This is where I have to fundamentally disagree with Fresh and Fit. Comparing the past traditions to todays standards is always going to fail for the average dude. It absolutely, absolutely needs to be 50 50 in every situation open or closed. This is where the red pill community completely fails in my opinion.

[@ExeErdna]

The problem is it's never gonna be 50/50 people can reach a point of balance yet it still won't be such.

[@botheredbiskit]

Men and women aren't equal biologically so no amount of social "change" is going to trump the Male/Female imperative which is ingrained in us. Even the most successful Modern woman want men to fulfil the Traditional biological role of Providing and leadership whilst most men want a woman to be exclusive to them because of territorial instincts and to ensure a good candidate for procreation. Myron touched on great point about how women who do have multiple partners seek different traits in each man because they cannot get a full package in one, not because they inherently want to sleep around, Destiny is the prime example, his wife, whilst she admires his intellect and accomplishments seeks other men to fulfil her physical desires.

[@thek2despot426]

@@giovincomaz2175 *_Then only go after the women that think differently._* This is what I don't get about RP: why complain about women supposedly having no accountability, never changing, and always exaggerating their value when, as far as red pillers are concerned, their interests, no matter how much they contradict yours, are always treated, by them _and you,_ as the inviolable and non-negotiable part of the arrangement, meanwhile all your interests are, and you'll still chase them anyway? Why get mad when women think of themselves as a prize when your actions do nothing other than reinforce that impression to them?

[@WPC799]

@@giovincomaz2175 50/50 relationships have succeeded for thousands of years and continue to succeed today. You are fundamentally wrong

[@johnathanbanner3841]

i see people talk about this a lot and i think a lot of important points are missed. As someone who has watched a decent amount of f&f content i feel like i have a decent understanding of what they are saying, and when they talk about the open relationship thing the basic gist is that as a woman if you want a man that is a 1 percenter then you need to realize that 99 percent of the time they will have sex with other women and wont tolerate their girl having sex outside the relationship. And then they say that as a man if you want to have the leverage with a girl to enforce that you need to be extremely high value or else the girl wont put up with it. I could be wrong but i dont think they tell average dudes to really have these kinds of relationships, unless they are willing to self improve. The problem then becomes that most women typically want these 1 percent dudes and a lot of times wont notice average dudes

[@MarieAntoinetteandherlittlesis]

Not gonna lie, it really pisses me off whenever they advocate for Married couples to let the man cheat, while the woman has to stay home and just act like his servant??? I’m sorry did I get that right?? So she marries him, has kids with him, then he gets to go off and fuck other women while she stays home and takes care of the kids and acts as his servant?? That’s bullshit.

[@TipTheScales27]

Not to mention how devastating it is for pregnant women to get an STI from their partner and how they cause birth defects to the baby… as a woman, there’s no way I’d be sacrificing my body and health for a dusty dude like that who would willy nilly put the baby’s health in jeopardy

[@sabrinarasulova9350]

My husband watched so many red pillers, he now thinks that the only valid reason for a divorce is when a woman cheats, but a man can do whatever, she needs to stay married.

[@MarieAntoinetteandherlittlesis]

@@sabrinarasulova9350 I’m sorry. That really sucks. While that might fly as an internet idea, I would never put up with that from my man. I would have a chat with him and let him know what your boundaries are. If he cheats and break his vows, it’s just as bad as you doing it. That sucks. Oh the irony of redpill men letting the ideology ruin their relationships. Remind him that a man’s word is his bond. If he gave you his word that he would be in a marriage the you, and he discards that, that makes him less of a man. Men take care of their families and honor their commitments.

[@juny3039]

​@@sabrinarasulova9350 Are you still with him????? Because that is a major red flag.....

[@og_finn661]

These people in the red pill have such a mechanical view of relationships. My gf is not a woman to me she is an individual. If I am in a partnership I'm not trying to just keep a 'woman' I am trying to maintain a partnership. If my woman will judge me for being vulnerable then why would I want to maintain that relationship??

[@mac1291]

Thank god. Thought this was blatantly obvious

[@cata2060]

Those men like to talk about "male sexual strategy" but they miss understood that the female sexual strategy is not only security and protection but also stability. Monogamy is not just to ensure that the kids will be from the father but also to ensure that the kids will always be provided with ressources. This is why males in general, have to prove themselves before having access to sex. And those ressources have to be provided on the long run. Fidelity in the relationship is also here to ensure that men don t make kids to other women, forcing him to provide for those kids too which would put the first mother in an unstable situation like "i don t know if my men will be able to provide for me and my kids in the long run if he also has another family to take care of". Obviously, we shouldn't simplify complex behaviors and relationships to just "mating strategies " but if we taking this approche, it seems like volontary monogamy makes more sense for our species than harems

[@robspencer6452]

Their premise is wrong. Men crave a woman they are attracted to, to love them and they love the girl. That is what most men crave. The redpill guy has been crushed by a girl and now they protect their heart by wanting "all girls".

[@StoicBehavioR]

Yea the good ol' *_"Who hurt you"_* angle. SMH

[@loosecannon6142]

I think most men are genetically programmed to have as many attractive women as they can

[@themarathoncontinues4211]

@@StoicBehavioR it’s the truth, both of these men severely struggled with women early on in life which has led to their current mentality

[@Dreamdancer11]

Not really...mens biological programming is getting as many girls as possible but you are half right.... if a man finds a good woman to commit to, he has enough incentive to sacrifice his biological imperative and build something with that woman...the problem we face in todays society(at least in the west) is that we want the men to keep sacrificing their biological programming while the incentive nowadays is non existant....call me crazy but modern women with pornstar number bodycounts, hot girl summers,girls nights out,tatoos,debts,masculine attitudes full of disrespect towards men and up to the gills programmed by feminism is somehow enough incentive for guys to commit....its NOT, so its way better in todays society for guys to actually stay with their biological programming since the incentive for sacrifice isnt there anymore..... Since she is not mine...but just my turn..i wont buy...ill just rent.....

[@emperortgp2424]

@@themarathoncontinues4211 Avoiding and opposing something that has previously hurt you is common human nature, don't know why these guys are getting flak for it. You wouldn't use this same rhetoric against feminists now would you?

[@stefon815]

Why do people follow relationship advice from single people? How do you have all the answers but can't pass the test yourself. Would you take financial advice from homeless person?

[@JustN0tMe]

There's some things that bother me about the Redpill movement for years now: They trash talk women constantly, even on situations that the guy is at fault. They dislike hoes but everything they do attract those types of women(sometimes they create these women) Their whole ideology is based around beautiful/fine young women(so many of their criticisms don't really apply to the vast majority of women, since they're average or below average) Everything they do and think revolve around women, to the point that their validation or how they confirm their own value is based on women The self-help part and financial advises seem great...the constant whining, trash talking and focus on networking isn't

[@Seri-dy5dd]

So true. Who are these women? Most women I’ve been around haven’t been like this. I’ve maybe met one.

[@StoicBehavioR]

*"They dislike hoes but everything they do attract those types of women(sometimes they create these women)"* Men create hoes! That's a deflection if I ever seen one. A man can't get laid without a women's consent. When it come to the sexual dating market, women hold the power of sex. So how can one create a hoe when he has zero power? Make that make sense! *"Everything they do and think revolve around women, to the point that their validation or how they confirm their own value is based on women"* 17:32 Myron explain his position.. I guess you jumped right over that. Myron: _"Becoming successful you got to get in shape. You got to get your money up and then understand female nature so you can become the complete package, not to just get women but so women are a byproduct of your success."_ *"There whole ideology is based around beautiful/fine young women(so many of their criticisms don't really apply to the vast majority of women, since they're average or below average)"* Not really. Reality is, majority of women give their best years to the worst men and expect good men to deal with their worst years. *"Everything they do and think revolve around women, to the point that their validation or how they confirm their own value is based on women"* Refer back to 17:32 Myron position..

[@Sigmaasphere]

You simp bro?

[@Sigmaasphere]

@@Seri-dy5dd Most women i have seen are like these....The women you are talking about are like that too...They just act like they are good....

[@Sigmaasphere]

I don't think they trash talk about women, they tells the truth....It's not their fault if women are like this...They don't make the rules, they just report it......Their criticism applies to the vast majorities of women.....We saw their after our shows where Lot of women comes and we see shitty behaviour from women.... Almost 1500 women came in their show and we always saw their shitty behaviour.....I think woman are able on doing it because of bluepill simps

[@RecaJ333]

Destiny gives them 100% and they only take away 5%.Why are women talked about more than half of the conversation in these spaces? Are mens issues only with/about women? I feel like I try to watch this content..to not judge men and have a better understanding...but then its ALL ABOUT WOMEN? You can't look to someone else to fix your problems? I mean it was a good conversation. Destiny has emotional intelligence and makes great points and I'm living for it.

[@IsomerSoma]

I agree but feminist primarily talk about women's issues in relation men as well and why would judge men and not those individuals sitting at the table make the points you dislike?

[@rubssi8741]

Destiny making it his mission to move Sneako

[@papathicc9515]

1:01:26 I'd argue this is probably wrong based off some pretty cool and interesting data I've read on strength of relationships between parents and children of the same sex, which pretty much demonstrated Mother-Daughter relationships as typically more "emotionally fulfilling" and "stronger/closer" than Father-Son relationships; with that being the case, I'd also probably extend this conclusion to MOST women friend groups as well. Additionally, considering that women typically score way higher than men on emotional intelligence, i.e., they know how to deal with their emotions/read emotions of others, and not to mention that I'm a guy who has had multiple different types of friend groups growing up throughout life, I'd be totally confident on betting money knowing that most men, on average, belong to social circles that are not emotionally fulfilling and may potentially be filled with Sneako's that may call you beta for crying over your childhood dog passing away or your girl breaking up with you lmao. Honestly though, it's sad man. I say it all the time, we as men are sometimes our own worst enemies.

[@countdooku75]

Those women from that study are not giving objectively true statements. Women will nearly always obfuscate and bend the truth when it’s about fundamental emotional relationships.

[@electricanomaly]

destiny did a fantastic job engaging with these guys in a productive debate. His points were solid, he was concise, and didn't dodge any arguments. Clean debate here.

[@fiercetoast8338]

8:10 I'd say that having female friends actually does come with genuine benefits, because you can have that deeper connection that female friends have with each other without necessarily needing a relationship.

[@lastmeal1678]

I've been waiting on this debate all my life

[@yermil890]

I like how despite disagreeing with destiny a shit ton sneako still chills with the dude and listens to him

[@rexqt5337]

What do you expect? Just because you have diff ideologies doenst mean you have to act like an animal towards one another

[@yermil890]

@@rexqt5337 yeah thats the thing thats sad, what you said is true but its not what happens. Usually you just get insulted and break off contact. Its sad that we have to give props to something that should be the norm

[@micah459]

Only mature people can be friends even if they have different opinions on life. People act like just because you have different opinions, then you're a bad person which is not true.

[@rexqt5337]

@@yermil890 who cares if they insult you, thats the world that we live in and it cannot be changed its human nature

[@marketables]

@@rexqt5337 making fun of people isn’t human nature and if destiny were a woman sneako most def would not hang out with her 😂

[@enoughvincent]

this was by far the most difficult debate for me to get through. That main podcast guy had so many insane takes on so many different things xdd

[@karinknife8019]

Interesting how F&F, and Sneako can have a mature non hostile debate with Destiny but are not able to do so with the women they bring on the show. Misogyny personified.

[@Chechi-yf9lz]

Righttttttt....they'd be saying 'based' every 2 seconds she speaks

[@richardbohlen2093]

Imagine spending $50 just to mention the movie white chicks

[@moneyarr]

Fnf fans logic

[@hubbabubba8083]

I watched this live. Great content and awesome convo reaching out to these people. The convo with the girls after was good too.

[@wandarah]

The convo after was cancer

[@DanaAnderson1980]

Women need to feel safe and secure, a man sleeping around throws that safety and security out the window. If a women has a child with the man, that doesn't secure that relationship as destiny was explaining but not only that, if hes sleeping around, now he can potentially knocking up other women and shattering any security and now has to share resources. This clearly is not in a women's best interest, child's interest, or the man's as he has spread himself thin, with resources and spirit of integrity. Desiring to have sex with other women doesn't mean a man with integrity will do so, just because you have options does not mean you exercise them. Having everything you desire in a gluttonous manner, makes what you consume become less fulfilling yet just as dangerous in consequence. FNF will not have long term successful relationships. They do not today, yet they are coaching other men.

[@cashmererose1101]

I hate also when the fit guy is saying at around 44:00 woman come after a man’s success. Such bs. I’ve seen men get married and grow their riches in marriage. To sit and wait to grow is time wasting. A genuine woman won’t care and will stand by her man. Wealth is not static. You never know when you might lose it all. Also a mature and cultured man doesn’t call woman “b****es”. These idiots have no respect and think they will get married. Well not with that attitude. They’ll only every meet a woman of their own calibre, then complain because they will get played by them at their own game. The cycle won’t end. These guys haven’t left the playground.