DESTROYED (BENT) OUR GRAPPLE!! Backhoe; Stump Grinder; Grapple vs. 100+ Year Old Stump

Huge Red Maple stump needs to be removed for Tractor Time with Tim's mom, Ruby. Case 580 backhoe, & John Deere 2038R with Baumalight swing arm stump grinder. TTWT bent the Mini 320 grapple!
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[@steventhomson2042]

really good video. we learn by doing. true testament to the integrity of precision mfg on the solution. Precision has treated me great and they have a great product! thank you for putting it to the test!

[@ATR-42]

I really wish i had purchased one of these grapples instead of Artillian

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Think so? I’m on the fence. The Artillian is very well engineered. Very tough!

[@feixie4873]

We can produce parts for you, and the cost can be reduced by 40%

[@stephenreamer4323]

Always enjoy the videos. I am 69 yrs old and spent many a day on the farm pulling stumps. I have learned a lot pulling stumps for more than 60yrs. Friendly advice, don't use a two foot bucket, use a 9in. or better, spend the money(

[@Kcolby47]

Fun to see the family and the home place projects, and you gotta love Tom’s quips! It’s refreshing to see the grapple follow-up and witness the customer service from Precision. “Live and learn” as they say. Blessings.

[@MattN03]

Glad the manufacture took care of the grapple. I've done the same type of work and more with my Everything Attachments Wicked 55 grapple, and it's never had a issue. Grapples are awesome attachments!

[@TractorTimewithTim]

The double clamp is a much more challenging design. Your single clamp has the cylinders right at the end. Double clamp is worth it!

[@pauldumitras3774]

EA makes the best grapple hands down. Got a 60 from them. You can actually use them to rake

[@mburke1211]

It’s always a pleasure seeing you working projects with Tom and Randall. It’s good that you found the grapple weaknesses and got it fixed. That was a good day overall!

[@lanceharsh7025]

Thank you for your honesty. Not always easy to show our foibles to each other. Love your interactions with your family. Just a joy to see.🤠

[@martinmcgee5503]

You guys really cracked me up today . First great to see your mom , I have such respect for her generation. Tom was in rare form with his humor today, everyone looks like you all had a great time on this family project, Thanks for bringing us along.

[@billfenner7084]

I figured that the manufacturer would find a fix for it. I bet that he was happy with you letting him know what happened. That's how they improve on their products.

[@stevemueller3705]

Always love when you include your family projects.

[@davem5370]

Family farm videos are always my favorite. Thanks Tim.

[@erice9536]

Nice camera work as usual Kristy. Fun times with the family.

[@GrampysTractor]

Love being back on the farm with the boys and all the toys. You probably found one of the rare circumstances that would put enough pressure on the grapple to bend it during normal work. Thanks everyone for the great video.🌽🌽🌽

[@genecarr4568]

Hey Tim, great video. I have the mini 322 (same basic grapple) from Precision Mfg. Second day of using it I bent the left claw just like you did only 2-3 times worse. I was trying to rake and got it a little too deep in the dirt. The inboard side of the left caught an old buried stump made a terrible twist, about 12 to 18 inches out of original position. Well I felt bad, I surely "knocked the new" off of it. Loaded it up and took it to my local machine shop. The shop owner looked it over and said the didn't have any equipment large enough to fix the bend/twist. He did have an excellent suggestion. He said the tractor bent it so the tractor should be able to bent it back. Placed a 16" round log piece (about 24" long) under the outboard edge of the left claw and clamped down on it. Had the tractor in 4WD low range loader low to ground and grapple vertical and placed the bent edge up against an old 28" pine tree. That allowed the tractor to bend the inboard edge back beyond it's original configuration. As the shop owner said, you have to bend it beyond the orignal position as the metal will spring back. He was spot on. The tractor dug four big holes as it pushed againt the tree that was not going to move. Sure enough the tines straightened out and realigned the twist. The bent edge wound up less than 1/2" from it original configuration. Unless you had seen it in the bent condition, you would never know it was damaged. Raking of loose limbs and debris is OK, but never put the claw tines in the dirt. If you hit a big root or rock, you will bend the claws.

[@kavemanthewoodbutcher]

Love seeing the family projects. Also, something about Randal brings me great joy. I don't know what it is, but his "good ole boy" demeanor just tickles me pink. Also wheres Martha when needed?

[@shawnfender7237]

I sure enjoy your videos at the family place. Miss seeing your Dad

[@jakeschisler7525]

I got over 30 stumps in my front yard and the side. Previous owner tried burning some of them but didn't do much to remove them. Good to see the family

[@josephdriscoll8527]

Good watching you and your brothers do projects with not the best planning or equipment on hand making it happen anyhow true impressive farmers to the bone. Thanks for taking us along.

[@groundcontrol2795]

I have a Landpride that I had rebuilt and heavily reinforced. It's doing OK, now. Meanwhile, Travis over AR Everything Attachments takes the Wicked Grapple, pulls the top shell, and then takes and hangs, swings, and drags an M series Kubota it! 😁

[@FelipeColby]

What a testimony for all involved there with the grapple.

[@turdferguson5300]

I see what you mean about the two jaws being better than one. Its almost twice the price also so knowing that I wasn't going to use it all the time I got the Land Pride. Its a good unit but the double would be better if they were compliably priced. Any grapple bucket is a work saver and I'm not getting younger. I'm having to find ways to get the work done without having down time to recover. Getting old is truly lovely !?

[@TheMonkdad]

I had a huge stump and put a campfire ring around it and just kept burning it. It was gone in 3 days. I then used a middle buster that I removed the plow part and welded a 24” hook to it. This pulled out all the roots.

[@MARKLOCKWOOD2012]

tearing up bending stuff is only way to find where stuff needs improvement. so when someone buys this tool they know not to do certain things but after stuff gets strengthened so you don’t have to worry about the rut rough raggy.

[@Slider68]

Surprising how easily that grapple bent. I have to admit that I almost bought that same grapple but didn't like how there was no hinge below the cylinder and I was concerned about the weight reduction cutouts. I ended up going with a low cost, simple design; thinking that when I broke it I'd buy a higher quality grapple but... I've been doing things identical to that, including both pulling and pushing as hard as possible with both the front and back edges on my grapple, lifting huge logs, prying against roots, removing stumps, and moving large rocks around. I've even regularly been wedging the front section of my grapple between roots and using both the hydraulics and the tractor in 4wd low range to pry the roots apart. I also use the front edge of the grapple to push my biggest log piles away from the tractor to make more space for more logs. The only issue I'm having is my grapple doesn't have bushings or bearings and all of the joints are starting to get a bit sloppy. Mine is made out of a fairly high strength steel but instead of bushings it just has drilled holes with a large nut and bolt through them. I've been squirting grease with a grease gun needle fitting (since day 1) down to the bolts. After about 100 hours of constant heavy abuse, as mentioned above, the joints are getting noticeably sloppy but nothing looks bent at all and it still works perfectly. My tractor is admittedly a sub-compact, stock 1025R but it does have a 550 lb offset flail mower still on the back (it does a great job mulching up small trees and branches), all 4 tires are filled and the hydraulic pressure is set very slightly above stock (~2200 psi @2000 rpm). So far I've managed to put 150 hours on it this summer (still dealing with the nightmare storm damage that uprooted and snapped well over 500 trees on my property and tore half the roof of my barn). I don't want to advertise for the company who made mine here but it was a very good price (I paid $1199.99 last November; current price is $1399.99) and the 48" root rake grapple is a great match for the 1025R. For the price I'm more than happy with it. Edit: there is one minor issue I'm having with using the grapple and that is by the time I get to the wood pile the grapple isn't clamped tight on the load and brush & logs can fall out. I believe the issue is with the Summit Hydraulics spool valve having a significant amount of internal leakdown (I have the same issue with the hydraulic top link and the flail mower's offset and rotation) but it is possible there is a small internal leak in the cylinder. My workaround is to regularly tap the "close grapple" button on the joystick while driving to the wood pile.

[@photocontrol]

Great job clearing out that stump with the grinder and backhoe! Awesome that you got the new and improved grapple clamps replaced by precision.

[@johncrishock9317]

Loved the teamwork by the family.

[@grizz474]

You can tell that grapple isn't built for heavy work just by looking at it. Built for brush.

[@nrosario]

Agree

[@timraber6575]

Love the family interaction.

[@phloughtgnarpsehs7263]

The bending had nothing to do with the hydraulic pressure of the tractor. It’s basically the same problem that can happen by back-dragging with a bucket. With the hydraulic control in “neutral”, the implement(bucket or grapple) is locked in place and hence unprotected by the relief valve. Thus much more force can be exerted on the implement than it’s designed for. It’s how bucket rams get bent, and in this case, the grapple bent.

[@phloughtgnarpsehs7263]

And just to clarify-LOVE your channel. Between you & Neil Messick, I’ve gleaned a wealth of additional tractor knowledge. It’s especially cool when you & Neil collaborate on something.

[@waltermattson1730]

It’s fun to watch you guys have fun while working.

[@jeremywheelock3988]

Brothers never stop ribbing each other from youth to wisdom… same case with me & my brothers lol

[@RCPSU4]

Sounds like you had a Crimson King Maple. There's a tree by the same description at my grandparent's house. Good to see Precision put a fix in along with an improvement to the grapple. That shows me something about how dedicated they are to their products.

[@XaViEr3520]

Love the family bond y’all have!

[@Diantane22]

When having the Heavy Hitch Toothbar attached to the 1025r bucket I was able to dig up brush and small trees pretty easily. Had to clear up a large area that I dug a 150' trench through. I hauled away all of this brush and trees with the bucket (the teeth really help to hold stuff in the bucket). There was no need for a grapple (yet).

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Heavy hitch toothbar….and a set of forks is the ‘next best thing’ to a grapple!

[@chrismills4213]

You have to love time with the family👌Wow that was a large stump! At one time you guys must have had some very large trees…they would have been something to see👍

[@matthewsims359]

Im impressed with that little stump grinder. It may take a little longer but it gets the job done.

[@d.a.ballou9740]

That was a great video! I love listening to Tom and Randall and the interactions between all of you. 😁👨‍🚒

[@johnmedlin5894]

I use a Top Dog Granite Grapple on my MF1740M, and I have put the grapple to the work, it has not failed me yet. Yes, it weighs a little over 400lbs, but it is a beast and it is built extremely beefy.

[@adammiddleton4037]

Tom and Randall crack me up with those ear pieces Doo wa Diddy

[@shanesherwood343]

Great video Tom wins the award for best country sayings always love the family farm videos I will admit they are my favorites

[@BulldogTractor]

I was looking at that grapple. Great to see a robust fix is now standard! Definitely on the top of my list now 🍻

[@martineastburn3679]

I have one if you took a road trip ! Rather like dragging backwards with a bucket. Hard on the hardware. Glad you found out while an easy oops and not a major one. Getting the three of you together is a crackup ! Thanks.

[@kaytod]

With the leaf structure described, it may have been a hard maple. Pretty sturdy wood. Many cutting boards are made of them. ( Guitar necks too ) Nice tight grain and finishes very smooth.

[@jerrykolb3017]

I have a 322 for my 2038r. I have played with it some, looking to add more rear blast and carry it low

[@Zanderthelab]

I can see you, Tim with a 6R and a GIANT bucket and grapple lol. I just love big equipment lol

[@ronharrison1776]

honesty is always the best thing to do .

[@chaskott3]

I love to see you with your brothers, I wish I had that with my siblings

[@cashxx]

I've seen on some grapples, say not to back drag with the top. Must be why!

[@terrancesnyder9323]

Good morning , God bless you all & Thamks for sharing

[@AdamMuhle]

Have you done a video talking through the different grapple styles along with pros & cons? I feel like you have, but I can't find it.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Yes…Dig drive Diy was here..

[@samengler539]

Nice job Tim I like the way you held off on posting the video and having the MFG resolve the problem. That’s team work and professional. Keep up the great work guys. I just order a virnig V30 rock bucket from Messicks today. Just because I’m tired of moving all my dirt along with rocks that really all I want to move. Look into one. It would of worked great for you on this job.

[@MrDerek19871987derek]

I got the worksaver grapple and I had bent it when I was moving some rocks not much but it was bent a little it's only got one jaw still works

[@88dalejr1fan]

@TractortimewithTim really cool to see this. Question can you not activate the pto not sitting. I know on the 1025r. you just hold it down and it activates. I feel this would help the neck out. Just wondering.

[@markmccoy1304]

We’re Men. We Love our Toys. We don’t abide by the rules! Awesome Video.

[@marksullivan57]

Tim, you need a skid steer. I can see it now, skid steer time with Tim lol.

[@royscarbrough3589]

Thanks! Another great one

[@dave.lawrence.3894]

Nice to know information.... sorry you bent the upper forks.... easy fix...

[@nohand322]

Great Video 👍 Tim you should told your mom that ya'lll had a surprise for her. You should have packed that tree stump with some DYNAMITE and let your mom throw the switch on it 👍😂 just tell her that is an early birthday present 😁😁

[@jdfleetguy28]

Enjoyed the video as always. I really love these back home on the farm videos with all your family involved. These are always a welcome treat to watch on your channel. I have to say it looks like you were having about the same luck I had with only clam shell grapple I ever owned. Owned being the key word, I hated that thing, it went gonzo from here pretty quick like. About half the time whatever I picked up ended up back on the ground and I was having to pick it up again sort of how it was working for you not only in this video and others I have seen in the past. I broke mine too, Mine was a larger Deere model that came with my 5M series tractor, I much prefer a grapple with more bucket shaped or more lower cradle to it and one that has as complete coverage of the top section as I can get. Clamshells never seem to have the grip I am looking for, I found the Clam shell style I had to be very frustrating to use.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Thanks! Clamshells are ‘different’. They handle some things great (brush). Other things not so good.

[@justin51986]

A wicked grapple from everything attachments wouldn't have bent like that. One day you'll learn...

[@TractorTimewithTim]

This is a double clamp grapple. Much more complex and difficult to design.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Heavier too. This one is built similar weight to the wicked 55 cept for 2 clamps.

[@justin51986]

@@TractorTimewithTim I have been using a wicked 60 double clamp on my L4060 for a year now and it hasn't let me down. and of course something that is built stronger will be a tad heavier, but not enough that I have noticed any hydraulic limitations caused by it.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

@@justin51986 L4060 is much larger (more capacity) than this machine. Probably a good fit for you. L4060 is nice machine. Congratulations!

[@brianhillis3701]

@@justin51986 that heavy a grapple and the 1025 wouldn't be able to lift much else. Maybe just the cheeseburgers for the workers and camera woman.

[@stanleyconrad4234]

Well it was entertaining to watch. And you did get it done, plus learned a few things in the process. Still waving my camera by the way, using different mouth positions. I’ll check the mail box for money today 😜

[@tcmits3699]

That grapple looked like it came off the Hindenburg, and we know how that worked out

[@kylerayk]

Wow, what a job! You're going to need 3 yards of soil to repair the hole!

[@floydferguson5366]

Great video!

[@divadyrdnal]

Not as fun, but I have had great success drilling stumps with a drill paddle bit, filling holes with stump rot, then let nature work on it for a season. The “stump rot” turns the stump into “paper” and the stump just falls apart. Then just fill the hole!

[@chrisluttor2275]

It is called a grapple and not a digger.

[@martyb3783]

Maybe I am a bit slow but I could not see any damage to the grapple. A side by side before/after picture would have helped.

[@Zanderthelab]

Poor camera man needs an A/C cab🤣don’t worry Christy I’ve been there I know how it is. I got your back haha!

[@shadlundquist2329]

Family 👍👍👍

[@waynederby4684]

Good Show Tim

[@heavytruckmachinery5141]

Very Nice Videos friend

[@aaronscomputers]

What happen to the Kubota

[@stephenlehr6020]

If you could rotate the guard or remove a portion of the rear part of the guard on that stump grinder, you could grind into the bottom sides of the stump, creating a "thinner" portion that would let the backhoe break off a larger top portion of the stump, without having to grind so much of it. This would likely be seen as a safety concern for many, so probably why it is not setup to allow that..... I think since this video was taken, you have a horizontal grinder/cutter that would have basically done this (maybe why you looked for that....). I have the 322 mini grapple on my Kioti DK50SE cab, it has the side mounted cylinders, it has different clamps than the 320, though I could see how having an additional pivot mount for the center tine on each clamp would make it stronger (the side mounted cylinder clamp pivot looks well designed though). So far I haven't bent it. I have used it to pull loose branches backwards some, not rocks and have lightly combed the soil with it the same way so I think it is pretty strong, but it is risky doing that as it isn't meant to be used like that (probably won't do that any more, at-least much more.....). Anyways, good video, great to see all the interaction, have a good one!!

[@TractorTimewithTim]

The side mounted cylinder won’t have the same issues the 320 with center mount has. Anyway, I’m certain the issue is resolved now.

[@jddriver9565]

Thanks, I always enjoy your family farm videos:)Are there two backhoes on the farm now? I saw one in the backround.:)

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Yes. They upgraded, but kept the older one.

[@jddriver9565]

@@TractorTimewithTim Thanks! We saw the older one in the video, right? will you show us the new one?or am i wrrong and it was the new one in the video?🤣

[@TractorTimewithTim]

@@jddriver9565 new one at the end of the video.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

@@jddriver9565 new one at the end of the video.

[@Zanderthelab]

On today’s episode of TTWT Tim decides he needs a MUCH heavier duty grapple, aka bigger tractor. Christy I need a bigger tractor. Christy: NOO! 😂

[@HydrosPlus]

Randall's comment, "It'll be a lot smoother if you speed it up" at around 13 minutes seems counter intuitive, but I also find that to be true...assuming you "don't move the leeeeever all the way in one direction" :)

[@projectswithjw]

I was really hoping to see the 3P24 grinder on JohnnyX. 😁

[@johnsullivan824]

Tim, Diesel Creek just put out a video about his Ventrac 4500 he just purchased used. His video is showing what you can put it through and it handles it with no problem.

[@johnsullivan824]

It makes a good advertisement for Ventrac. Please watch.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

I watched most of it. He did a great job!

[@randalmiddleton8068]

Wish you would demo the Frontier AV20F on your Turbo JD...

[@nrosario]

That grapple looks fisher-price. I'm using a similar size, from different manufacturer, on a 70hp tractor and no bent so far. Originally bought it for a Mahindra Max.

[@richardstevens3461]

Your brothers are cool. What happened to you? LOL

[@gafgradingllc5424]

Do you still have the ventrac

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Check out this morning’s episode :-)

[@noelstractors-firewood57]

That’s one big tree at one time.

[@cornellterry6484]

Hey how long did it take to grind it

[@TractorTimewithTim]

We didn’t grind very long. Most of our time was after the main stump was gone…we spent a lot of time getting the last surface roots dug out with the grapple, and getting the land smooth again.

[@susan330]

Can you use a stump grinder on a 2014 year 1025R?

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Yes. The 1P24 from Baumalight is a good fit. ShopGreenDealer.com/ttwt use code ttwt for a five percent discount.

[@eosjoe565]

A chainsaw could have probably cut that down to grinding height. Even if you would have sliced it into sections like a pie and then come across horizontal.

[@bigsway4414]

I don’t understand how that design ever made it into production.

[@thomasburton5843]

I love my wicked 55 single lid grapple. #wicked55

[@ohiotractorcountry3799]

Tim, If you were in the market what grapple would you prefer for a 3033R? Great video! Thanks for pushing the limits.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Artillian or maybe the new Mini327 from Precision. I have it here..but have not tried it. Intend to do so soon.

[@ohiotractorcountry3799]

@@TractorTimewithTim can’t wait to see the 327!

[@FaithHopeLove77]

Why not dig around it and pull it up? Just curious of the approach.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

We discussed the water line nearby.

[@garymeyer3294]

My first thought was " It would be a lot faster and easier to top that stump with a chainsaw". But after Randall pulled that brick out I guess it wouldn't have been good had the chain hit the brick.

[@jimmcknight3021]

I think it would e great if Precision mfg could make a grapple to fit on a stump for the tractor type of stump buckets. Suggest it to them as you have their ear.

[@butterball0109]

Hydraulic leak spotted at 22:49

[@zaineridling]

Taking a claw hammer to it would have been quicker. Seemed like you had the wrong equipment at every point. Oh well, pray harder! 🙏

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Seemed fine to me. We got it done. HUGE stump.

[@Bunk599]

Nothing is indestructible, but most farm equipment will withstand more abuse that that grapple. Even with the fix it still appears frail. Its useful for its intended, but narrow, purpose.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

It has worked beautifully for over a year since then.

[@AlSunderland]

@@TractorTimewithTim Well that's good. I could have used one of those in Pennsylvania...ran out of space for attachment storage....did not have the heart to let it sit outside.

[@paulstanley3265]

How come you did not use a chainsaw and then a stump grinder

[@bobd7384]

Sometimes a wheelbarrow and physical labor is the best way, or the old ways. How about a stick of Dynamite on the 4th of July.

[@ryancrazy1]

i mean you definitely abused it. as far as i know, the number 1 rule is don't do exactly what you did haha. they are made to be strong enough for the hydraulics. if those didn't bend it would have put all that force into your hydraulic system. Great learning and teaching opportunity for all of your viewers. As usual I love the videos!

[@trucktractorchannel1570]

Is that a new 2038R?

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Yes.

[@trucktractorchannel1570]

@@TractorTimewithTim Did you trade in the older one?

[@TractorTimewithTim]

@@trucktractorchannel1570 yes. We have a video on this new machine and the 3046r and how we got them.

[@alittleofthisandalittleofthat]

Question… Does Tom, Randall and your Mom like cheese burgers too 🍔 😊

[@tommarks7971]

Yeah Buddy!

[@aussiefarmerboy245]

First comment by the way I love the videos from Australia