Detroit Red Wings Are Finally STARTING the Yzerplan

Neal Ruhl, Sam "Stick" Day and the rest of the BDE crew discuss the Detroit Red Wings development since Steve Yzerman took over as General Manager. Do you think they can start to make runs into the playoffs? Like, Subscribe and leave your comment below!
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[@jacobc548]

Guy in the Lions shirt should never be involved in a hockey discussion if he has no idea what he's talking about half the time...

[@joshthibert8962]

Dude in the Michigan shirt pisses me off all the time as well, dude makes completely false statements constantly

[@ronaldadams3230]

@@joshthibert8962 They are all idiots but hardly anyone speaks about hockey. Someone should explain to blue shirt that hockey building is like baseball not football.

[@firsnamelasname6629]

None of them know what they’re talking about, even McCarty half the time.

[@joshthibert8962]

@ronaldadams3230 Honestly, everyone in detroit sports media seems to be holding up brad Holmes as the standard for GMs in the city, then they say they know that you can't compare the sports, but still do anyway

[@joshthibert8962]

@firsnamelasname6629 I don't mind McCarty, although I might be biased because my first hockey game was tickets my step-dad got from McCarty. That being said, he does look at things from a goons perspective and 90s players perspective, so his takes are sometimes pretty outdated

[@garrison4200]

Theres no point arguing with people who don’t follow hockey or understand a hard cap world. Its not like other sports where players are drafted and can contribute immediately. These are 18 year old kids that your gambling on 2-4 years down the road. You can’t judge this rebuild until you see how Edvinsson, Mazur, Kasper etc pan out. We are finally at the point where we will see if our prospect pool pans out, then you can judge the rebuild.

[@powerface71]

EXACTLY! FOOK THE CASUALS OPINIONS!

[@RedWingsninetyone]

Say it again. NFL prospects start year one after being drafted. Only the best of the best draft picks in the NHL will be in the league within the first 2 or 3 years. Your draft picks may never even make it to the NHL at all.

[@bobjohnson270]

yes.. hockey is different. where they sit in college for 2-4 years on average and can walk onto a team and contribute right away unlike hockey

[@ThatsBSTableGames]

For sure

[@Skeetskeet7363]

bro has not watch a full game in life

[@vmi4172]

Actually, SY drafted Vasy(with the 19th pick that he fleeced Holland for Kyle Quincey nevertheless😭) and he also drafted Kuch(in the 2nd round). He also drafted Brayden Point in the 3rd round.

[@Mjiw-hn2zm]

Yea they made it seem like Yzerman walked into a borderline cup favorite when he drafted most of they best players

[@powerface71]

6:07 He just said he doesn't follow hockey. CUT HIS MIC AND IGNORE HIM. WTF MAN. . . .

[@Wheels8504]

He sounded like he wanted to understand how it works. No harm in that.

[@woosa42]

@@Wheels8504 - Just to bust Yzerman's balls tho.

[@chettywapfilms1783]

There really aren’t any teams that have made a huge jump in our conference since Yzerman took over. Maybe 1-2 in the entire league. This game takes time. Enjoy the ride Detroit. And stop disrespecting the goats name.

[@nolanscripture]

Yep. Panthers and Rangers are the only teams to have really taken strides from mediocrity to contention in that time frame.

[@chettywapfilms1783]

@@nolanscripture yeah and they were a lot further along too. Panthers and NYR both had 100 pts a year or two before yzerman took over in Detroit. Carolina was really far along too. Free agent groups have been historically bad and wings have had terrible luck in the draft lotto. The captains down a helluva job with a very bad deck of cards

[@chrisput1024]

Yzerman simps make me laugh.

[@nolanscripture]

@@chrisput1024 Cool story, bro.

[@chettywapfilms1783]

@@nolanscripture Chris puss

[@achannell362]

Yzerman walked into a cap disaster left by Ken Holland. It's taken time to get rid of those cap issues and stockpile draft picks. This upcoming young defense core is gonna be scary.

[@Nall412]

U guy’s have to stop making excuses. Its been over 2 years now. Steve walking into what he walked into is a typical situation when a team is just coming off of 25 years of playoffs and being successful for about 30….. Holand left behind a lot… a lot of things for Steve to work with. ie obtaining draft picks and a few high end players for Steve to trade that was during Holland’s tenure… Its time to move on. It’s been 5 years now… Ot doesn’t take a GM to get out of the hole that the franchise was in that long. 2 years it takes. Steve is at his 3rd year now. With mostly his own team he has constructed. The rebuild will be another 2 to 4 years.

[@Wheels8504]

@@Nall412 If you don't understand the disaster he walked into here compared to how much better of a Tampa team he walked into then you're part of the group that can't be helped. Make room for HOCKEY fans with common sense. Go watch basketball.

[@koreans1984]

​@@Nall412 what high end players did he have other than larkin when he took over

[@DR.DisInfect]

He's not going great but falling in the draft every time didn't help. I think we should've stayed bad a few more years not sign aging vets the last 3 years

[@slipperyseal95]

@@Nall412get outta here buster. You made it easy to call you a dummy.

[@ex27evolution]

NFL draft picks can make a much more immediate impact than NHL draft picks, unfair comparison. NHL kids are drafted at 18 and NFL kids are drafted out of college ~21 years old....

[@RealYoutube33]

Let alone from many diffrent nations and leagues

[@Eddy1097]

This team was gonna take at least 5 years to turnaround, knowing that Holland left it in Cap Hell with only 4 players on the roster that had real NHL Value (Larkin, Bertuzzi, Mantha and Hronek). 3 of those players were traded out for some good returns. the only thing that went wrong that Yzerman couldn't predict was Vrana, which he would still be a great middle six scorer if he kept his head straight. Worst part is the prospect pool was non existence when Yzerman came aboard so he had to replenish that as well as building an actual NHL roster.

[@user-gw5wg2jf9c]

like Tarasenko is any different than Perron or Sundqvist or Walman

[@RedWingsninetyone]

Reminder than TB won a cup from a bottom feeder team 10 years after Yzerman took over. And, as noted, he didn't start in a hole at TB like he did in Detroit.

[@christopherewing1981]

He drafted vasilevski and kucherov

[@theprogressiveresponse4731]

In Yzerman I trust. I've heard the doubters my whole life. He gave detroi5 stanley cups as a player, and Mo Seider as a GM. First two years were a wash due to cap moves.

[@keefdaft]

The guy in the Lions shirt should never be allowed to talk about hockey on air again.

[@jessepassage425]

How do sports talk guys not realize that you can draft for position in nfl and it usually takes 3-5 years for hockey prospects?

[@HockeytownRundown]

One huge point you missed for the NHL vs NFL debate: players going into the NFL draft are 20+yrs old. Players going into the NHL draft are 17-18yrs old There’s a lot of growing these young players have to go through before they sniff NHL ice unless your name is Connor McDavid, Connor Bedard, Auston Matthews Also - The NFL has more players than the NHL entering the draft and selected from the draft. NHL 224 NFL 257 this past draft

[@alaskanmaffia8514]

He drafted Vas, Kuch, and Point. Three key players to get those cups. He also drafted Palat, Cirelli. Also signed Johnson and Yani as undrafted free agents. He built those cup teams he didn't just walk into it.

[@alexevanoski4588]

The biggest problem is that people who don’t follow the NHL but follow their local team don’t understand how long hockey rebuilds take. They don’t get it. They just see the NFL and think it can take 1-2 years if you get a QB. Add no lottery luck and it’s worse. They got one of the best prospect pools in the NHL. Again blinded by the NFL. It’s not the same sport or league but they want to pass blame because they have ADD. They need another 1-3 years.

[@thenickfoxx]

5 YEARS NOT 6 YEARS 5 YEARS NOT 6 YEARS 5 YEARS NOT 6 YEARS. LEARN MATH. 5 YEARS NOT 6 YEARS HOLY F-.

[@bobjohnson270]

they were 5th and 5th in the east for quite awhile last year. A couple bad injuries and we would of been better off. Losing Larkin hurt.

[@grmacs95]

Frans Nielsen is still under contract. His name was changed to Andrew Copp.

[@samstickney4290]

Yzerman went to Tampa with only stammer and hedman being there, every other major piece like vassy, kuch, point he drafted. Also, in 2015, 2016, and 2018, Tampa lost to the eventual cup champs while also losing in the final in 2015. So it did not take Stevie 10 years to build Tampa, they were a cup contending team under him about 5 years into his GM tenure there.

[@Nall412]

I have a feeling the team heading into the season will be more consistent. I think they’ll definitely be in the mix for a playoff spot.

[@bradmaguire9611]

Hes lìterally in year 3, year one was getting rid of all hollands draft picks except larkin. No one mentions this.

[@jleif7736]

He’s going into his 5th season with us . He’s been in 5 draft years. 2019,2020,2021,2022,2023,2024

[@OMRPines]

How easy they forget the impact of making the playoffs 26 straight years has on your young talent pool.

[@BrandonKellogg22]

To all casual fans that do not understand how rebuilds work in Hockey, full on rebuilds take 8-10 years to get back to a legitimately deep run contending team. Football you can get away with 1, maybe 2 seasons and be fine, but hockey needs development through the draft, otherwise you're going to be a one and done playoff team once every 3-4 years and nothing to show for it. So far, Yzerman has been the GM of the Red Wings since 2019, or five years. To compare with Tampa, he was the GM there from 2009 until 2019. The Lightning started showing playoff strides in 2015, or about six years after he took over. They didn't even win the cup until AFTER he stepped down. As he said during his first press conference, "This takes time." We are FINALLY seeing the strides in Detroit that Tampa was seeing in 2014 and 2015, and the best is still long yet to come. Be patient Detroit. Hockey is a beautiful and amazing sport, but it is also a VERY different animal than football.

[@davidgolnick1403]

Agree. Lets not even talk about getting hosed by the draft lottery (so much so that they had to change the rules). Also, we are being setup for long-term success and contention, not one hit wonders.

[@Esydow13]

The Ilitch's are gonna give him 10-15 years. This isn't about making the playoff once this is about creating another Dynasty. This man gave 22 years to this organization as a player and 4 as a assistant GM. They have won 4 cups with him in the organization. You are out of your mind and a horrible sports analysts if you think after 6 seasons the Illitch's are going to dump him. This team has come so far and in this new Cap era making a dynasty is really difficult. What team compares to the 1983-2010 red wings? ZERO none there isn't a single team that can be compared to them in this day and age.

[@marklambert4793]

Stevie Y isn’t going anywhere. He’s staying right here, because the family is 💯 percent behind him and completely committed to the Yzerplan. Period.

[@user-gw5wg2jf9c]

it don't matter if u got 10 st Louis blues on the roster red wings suck

[@scottritcey5166]

A dynasty with no elite talent

[@bassomatic6055]

Look, I'm not complaining about Yzerman, but the real issue is his signings have been mixed which is why we're looking at 6 years. He hasn't fully committed to the rebuild.

[@derekhand7904]

My only issue with Stevie was over paying for guys like Copp and guys from that year. But I’m now realizing we had to overpay for those guys to get players to sign. Now the wings are a in position where great players want to come to Detroit and take discounts to come play.

[@richhogg8074]

Exactly, no one's gonna sign when we were in the hole, I think kaner signing again shows we are going somewhere

[@Mjiw-hn2zm]

Another thing is we paid a lot of vets to not only hold roster spots but to keep us over the minimum cap limit

[@kennethrussell1320]

Q: It takes 10 years to build a contender? A: Only if you're lucky! It's not like football where you just plug in a star QB or basketball where you just sign 3 superstars who make 10x more from China than they make in the league and win overnight.

[@shaunstinnett8446]

Easiest comparable to pre cap era... it took the aves 20 years between cups.

[@OMRPines]

Can’t compare Brad Holmes to the Captain if you’re going to only focus on free agents, because Holmes hasn’t made any major free agent signings. Holmes did it through the draft, which is what #19 is doing.

[@jefflewis9395]

8:40 in you nailed it! NFL draft, 3-6 players a year go right on the field. NHL draft, 2-5 yrs before “good” draft picks play NHL games

[@achillesninja]

Yzerman fine. Wings are also the hardest division with stacked ass prospect pool. Patience is needed

[@chrisput1024]

Yes, the 20-year rebuild is right on schedule.

[@joebemister6292]

I'm good with that for the first couple years, but it doesn't change that we haven't made the playoffs in a decade.

[@johngolfer9244]

NHL hockey players are the most highly skilled athletes in the world. Put any NHL player on the pitch or the gridiron or the hardwood and they'll keep up. Try putting a soccer, football or BB player on the ice and see what happens.🤣

[@travisbrown1949]

Let’s not forget that Jim Devellano took over as GM in 1982 and didn’t win a Cup with us till 1997. He built the dynasty. Things just take longer in the NHL and Steve came into a complete crap show where all of our future assets had been traded away by Holland to try and keep the playoff streak going. Steve has had to fix that and then build this from the ground up. Plus he still has a contract from Holland that he has to pay

[@sallybags9090]

Yes Devellano, but Scotty Bowman and a MASSIVE influence on the front office when he came her in 1993. Jim Nill was another gem. He's been in Dallas doing a damn good job. He just won GM of the year.

[@Wheels8504]

It's simple. They said it perfectly. Each sport is different and Yzerman walked into a much better team in Tampa. But also, the simple fact is that the year is 2024. It isn't 2002 anymore. The 2004 lockout completely ruined the game in many ways including signing players to contracts.

[@ericbejcek4986]

Mad respect for the guy in the blue shirt. Actually asking the hard questions & putting these guys (especially Neal) in there place. I love when someone has a DIFFERENT take/opinion and presents it calmly even when others (neal) interrupting / getting pissy every 5seconds. FYI, Yzerman wont get 10, let alone 16yrs to build a Stanley cup team, thats just insanity. This team was not that bad when he took over. That is a way overblown.

[@djjames8122]

Did u even listen to their discussion bro? The team was basically over-aged and over-paid on fat "rewards or past Stanley Cups" contracts. $19 M in lousy contracts. Their prospect pool was bottom 5 due to trading picks for deadline deals for over a decade.

[@ericbejcek4986]

@@djjames8122 as Neal said, it was only 1-2yrs of those bad contracts, so not really that big of an issue for Yzerman.

[@rrundle4]

“Not that bad when he took over” we’ve had the worst winning percentage in the league since 2017 and had one of the worst nhl seasons of all time in 2020 which was yzerman as first season with the red wings.

[@andybaker4450]

70+ picks. 2 NHL regulars.

[@williamsteffey3434]

Guy in the Lions shirt doesn’t get it. Holmes is great, BUT…with the NFL, players you draft play right away. That’s how Homes turned it around so quick. Laporta, Gibbs, etc. all played right after they were drafted. In hockey…you draft 18 year old kids that go to the minors for one to three years in the great players cases before they even sniff the NHL. Apples and oranges.

[@bobbyvv136]

You guys are so wrong about what Yzerman walked into in Tampa Bay. He walked into St. Louis, Stamkos, Hedman, Lecavalier, and Mike Smith. I believe he traded for Bishop from Ottawa but I could be wrong. Get your facts straight guys before you go on the air.

[@curtcurt950]

I think the main problem people don't understand is that it's not like the 1990s early 2000 where we can sign 10 all star players like Hasek, Hull, Shanahan, Chelios, Fedorov, Yzerman, Lindstrom. Etc. I mean common people does anyone understand the concept that you can't build teams like that anymore??? Or how about we be like Toronto with 0 cap space tons of stars and still can't win a Cup? I mean seriously I think all people want to do is criticize. Id love to see any of you take Yzermans place 😂 bottom line is YOU HAVE TO BUILD YOUR TOP PROSPECTS FROM THE GROUND UP THE WAY YOU WANT THEM TO BE TRAINED!!! PERIOD!!! Oh yeah Datsyuk the sickest man to ever handle a puck is in the training camp coaching rookies btw! 😂 I don't care how long Yzerman takes to make a championship team. He is doing it the right way people!!! 💪💪

[@justincowen441]

They were also paying Stephen Weiss 1.7million and Zetterberg 6.0million for the 2020/2021 season

[@redizit]

The NHL is hard to win, to create 4 lines to win against a changing NHL and have a solid 3 lines of D with 2 goalies is so hard in comparison to the NBA where you need 2 major Super Stars with a supporting team and a solid 6th man off the bench

[@CrossIcePassNYC]

I’m in town Aug20-Sep2 I’d love to jump on

[@scottritcey5166]

Decent prospect pool but there's still no elite talent. Not Yzerman's fault with bad draft luck. Gonna need that elite goal scorer but easier said than done. Need a true 1C. Larkin is good but a 2C on good teams

[@JeffreyFournier]

Yes. This. Yzerman is doing damn fine work. Nobody is going to question him in two seasons. Lions shirt guy doesn't have a clue about hockey.

[@Mjiw-hn2zm]

It took Tampa 10 years to win yes but only 5 to be the cup favorites evrey year…

[@kennethrussell1320]

Connor McDavid. Best player in the world. 5 times leading points, one time leading goals. 9 years without a Cup.

[@jamboniandeathbeam9978]

Yzerman needs more time and we cannot be like buffalo, NJ, SJ, Anaheim, etc who are just revolving doors of management and coaches. Prospects take time to develop in the NHL. NFL rookies arent 17 or 18 years old fully kids still growing and developing. There will be regression at points and improvements at others. This past season was a perfect example. And even with "splashes," nothing is guaranteed. Look at edmonton and the draft luck they had. You win by building a functional system and putting players that fit that system and succeed in that system. The cup teams we had in the 90s and 00s didnt have any Hart trophy, Richard Trophy, or Vezina teophy winners either. Success will come. Yzerman is too competitive and driven to win for this to be the ceiling.

[@DefectiveSquash]

Steve drafted Vasy and Kucherov, and Point

[@williamaaron8177]

Yzerman still needs to address toughness size grit abrasiveness.. They are going to get pushed around

[@sallybags9090]

Thats why he went out and got Motte. Your going to love this guy. Casper and Mazur will also have some of that grit. Look at the Motte highlights. He's a very underrated signing this year.

[@gillies0317]

@woodwardsports ppl don’t understand that yzerman is building a team that can be competitive year after year like a dynasty. All those players are going to be young and around the same age. We have Raymond n Mo here now w/ evidsson coming this year. But we also have coming up in the next year or 2 or sooner kasper, danielson, ASP, Cossa, Bergren, wallinder ect plus we’ll end up getting Augustine in a few years n more draft pick to fuel the players that are already going to be there.

[@lab3-o2p]

How many of the previous regime's first round picks are on the team? Larkin/Veleno and no one else. Cupboard was almost completely bare when Yzerman took over. The Wings are in good hands now and have shown progress with more to come. Yzerman is doing a fairly good job. He overpaid on a couple of Free Agents, but nothing too damaging.... You want Guentzel, 7 years at 9 mil, or Stamkos at 4 years at 8 mil.. No thanks!

[@WizardofOsgood30]

He drafted Kucherov and Vasilevsky and Point. Traded for Sergachev and Bishop.

[@mr.brenman2132]

Hired Jon Cooper.

[@davidlaffin5747]

Seider was hardly an Yzerman pick. He got there days before the draft, so the scouting staff really made that pick!

[@Ryan-yi5ro]

Still has the say on picking Seider.

[@mr.brenman2132]

And?

[@davidlaffin5747]

@mr.brenman2132 so it was Ken's pick, not Yzerman's.

[@Ryan-yi5ro]

@@davidlaffin5747 It was Yzerman's pick.

[@mr.brenman2132]

@@davidlaffin5747 But it wasn't.

[@taticalgaming6188]

People who don't know puck need to stop commenting on the Yzerplan. 1) Not signing big name free agents is often a good thing because most of the WORST deals in hockey are made on July first. If you look at the top free agents in hockey over the years, most of them don't win ships (Tavares in Toronto, Johnny Hockey in Columbus, for example) 2) NHL drafts 17-18 year old kids while the NFL is drafting people ready to make an impact immediately. Simply put hockey players take longer to develope especially goalies and defense. Ultimately it takes time to build a serious cup contender in the sport.

[@stevemcevilly6762]

Most football players are 22 when they are drafted and they play right away, hockey players get drafted at 18 and play when they are around 22 generally so same age when they join the team but drafted wat earlier

[@Mjiw-hn2zm]

Didn’t Stevie draft Vas and kuch ? And point and being back stamkos when evryone thought he was gone

[@thenickfoxx]

A whole lot of "buts" from Lions shirt over here. Someone makes a good point, he then says "i understand, but.." So what hes saying is "i havent heard a word you said. You make a good point, but ill complete ignore it"

[@IHeartRedWings]

You can't compare Brad Holmes and the Lions to Steve and the Red wings. It's like comparing apples and oranges. In the NFL 2024 draft the average age of the prospects was 23 years old ok. The average age of a NHL 2024 prospect is about 18 or 19 years old. You're talking about a gap of about 4 to 5 years in development between a NFL pick compared to a NHL pick. That is huge and we can easily say if the NHL did it the same way as the NFL of course our draft picks would change. It would be so much easier to spot the studs because they are so much further along in their development. NHL players take more time to develop and come of age so that is why it will take longer. Steve is doing exactly what I've told everyone he was going to. He resigned Kane like i said he would and also signed a new star in Tarasenko like I said he would. He is doing this to have them help develop the young studs like what Kane did to Raymond this last season. I understand if you are a casual it's not obvious so no hate to anyone.

[@chevelle1]

Tarasenko is not 6’1. Listed as 5’11 or 6’0 depending on where you look. And listed heights for hockey players are almost always exaggerated by 1-2 inches. But he is solid. Built like a brick shit house.

[@djjames8122]

NHL draft picks are usually 17 - 18 yrs old. NFL Picks are usually 20 - 21 yrs . Much longer timeline in developing players before they're ready for the big stage.

[@gillies0317]

That guy in the lions shirt is just ignorant but if it only took teams 10 yrs to turn it around n win a cup then why isn’t every team doing that 🤷‍♂️

[@DankNastyBets]

Guy in the Lions shirt should never try to speak about hockey again until he understands it fully. You don’t come on a broadcast speaking on a situation or sport you don’t know fully about. Yzerplan is going how any true hockey fan/player knows it’s supposed to pan out. Just like he probably hasn’t realized that every year, they’ve either got more points or finished with the same amount as the prior. Never gone backwards. His situation in Tampa was a cake walk for someone with his hockey IQ. It takes time to rebuild a dynasty with what he was handed when he came to Detroit. He’s building them back correctly and they eventually will be contenders for years to come.

[@koreans1984]

Football and basketball players are 20-22 yrs oldwhen you draft them. Hockey players are 17-18 yrs old

[@thenickfoxx]

Lions shirt guy isnt real. He's just there to disagree. It's funny though because he's exactly like some of these dudes on social media that don't understand hockey but are complaining like they do 😂

[@jrigg04]

You cannot compare football to hockey. Football, the draft picks almost certainly get directly inserted into your lineup the same season as draft. Hockey takes 2-3 years to see a good prospect play in the league, and that is if they are crushing it in the AHL. Not comparable at all between the sports. Closest comparable is baseball.

[@andrewalkema7239]

I've been playing hockey for 20 years, juat to preface what im about to say. It is ok to question Yzermans moves. Last year he signed a bunch of free agents to the point that not 1 of his prospects came up to play last year. This year, Yzerman has done the same thing. If you're planning a youth movement, you can't keep signing free agents and not bringing up the youth. You will then just be Ken Holland overripening his players. If you're also planning on bringing up guys like Kasper, Mazur, Danielsson, Sandin Pelica, etc. You also can't do it all in one year and not expect regression. Another point, Yzerman has 7 goalies signed between the NHL and AHL. Why would you not question that? If you think that's ok, then you're just following Steve blindly and, to you, he can do no wrong . . . Ever.

[@woosa42]

Get'em Neal.

[@Mjiw-hn2zm]

Yea but he says the same thing over and over why don’t he use all the other points that could be available to him

[@woosa42]

@@Mjiw-hn2zm - He shouldn't need another point. The one he is making pretty much says it all, and for some odd reason, it's not sinking in.

[@bmantheawsome77]

Stevie drafted kuch and vasey point and alot more he only walked into stammer and headmen and we haven't even seen are draft steals the later round picks yet the guys past the 1st round like Lombardi mazuer wallinder buuim the russian guy from i think 2022 i forget his name off the top of my head and also we got cossa and Augustine i think were looking at 10 years tho

[@vmi4172]

This argument is so bananas🤦‍♂ Anybody that doesn't understand the Yzerplan has very low intelligence. These people do not take into account the absolute dumpster fire Holand left SY. If SY started for scratch, thats one thing, but he started from the deep hole he inherited. He started behind the 8ball right away. It was gonna take 3 years just to fix the cap situation. then it was gonna take another 3 years to fix the roster. Me being a logistics/analytical guy, I looked at our situation and gave SY 6 years till we climbed out of the hole, and looks like Im spot on. BTW: SY is not immune from criticism. The Chariot, Copp, JT, Holl, Petry additions/contracts were completely unnecessary and IMO ridiculous. I am still scratching my head why SY overpaid and over-termed Copp and JT back to back years while drafting Kasper and Danielson back to back at the very same time. Still makes no sense. The Copp contract already hurts and the JT(even though he's the better signing of them all) will hurt soon, considering their much cheaper and likely better replacements are about a year away from being in Detroit.

[@robertcole9085]

Well, Kane wasn’t bad, Perron was OK, Holland crapped all over with lousy draft picks on this team. What’s he supposed to do started from square one

[@randallflagg9659]

I think dude in the blue shirt doesn't understand that player development arcs are a lot longer in the NHL. Unless you luck out with a top 3 pick (which isn't even a guarantee in every draft) it's most likely gonna be 3-5 years before your 1st rd guys even hits the NHL. You aren't drafting from a tailor made pool of prospects who are already grown men, you are drafting mostly 17-18 year old kids from all over the world. A full NHL organizational rebuild can absolutely take a decade, especially if you get zero lottery luck. You don't have to like it, but that's the way it is.

[@GaryDGuitar]

IMO, they've improved their goaltending, they've improved defensively, they've lost offense. I think the overall record will be close to last season's, probably a bit worse, and they miss the playoffs again. I predict that Kane will likely be dealt at the trade deadline.

[@Nall412]

Yikes!! Doom and gloom. 🤣.. I can’t see Kane being dealt.. they’ll battle for a playoff spot late again in the season im sure

[@Nall412]

I mean.. sure it’s possible that the team will drop off.. but in my opinion id be surprised if they did?? Like… i just cant see them doing it. I think what we’re going to see this season is, Lalonde and his staff overactive a bit with this roster and i think they’ll definitely be in the conversation for a playoff spot,, late in the season and making it. **overachieve

[@GaryDGuitar]

@@Nall412 Not at all doom and gloom, it's just how I see this current roster. Trading Kane would make the most sense, 1 year deal, Red Wings could retain most of the contract for draft capital.

[@70Eldo]

Neil, grab a decaf once in awhile.. sheesh..

[@frankstantonjr1153]

The wings got SHAFTED by the draft lottery, We should have had a couple number one picks and a couple number two's in the last 5 years

[@user-gw5wg2jf9c]

detroit has no idea how to take care of a #1 pick.... now go let Konstantinov play in middle the street or go throw beer on pacers players #detroit

[@dingdonglouie]

Woodward Sports videos are becoming so hard to watch because theres always one guy complaining but you can tell they actually dont even follow the team. just shut up if you dont keep up with the team.

[@justinkoster4417]

You guys talk about abdelkader howard and Neilson a lot… they were so bad you don’t even mention Ericsson and dekyser who also had horrible contract and were endlessly injured. The lightning made the cup final in 2015 I think

[@Sarry_Banders]

Howard was a well above average goalie playing behind some of the worst defenses the league has seen in the past 20 years. His "goals in support" stat was one of the lowest of all time and the "high danger scoring chances against" one of the highest. In short, he was screwed.

[@W-A-R-HAWK]

​@@Sarry_Bandersand still managed to be one of the wings all time win leaders for goaltenders

[@larrydenny3000]

This guy is dumb...Yzerman came back as GM in the 2019-2020 season. They had 39 points that year! (91 points last year. So over double the points in 5 years) Holland didn't go down with the ship he burned the ship, pissed on it to put it out and then shit on the ashes. Mantha, Zadina were "the future of the redwings" when he left. No one... I mean no one else was in the pipeline to help. That Year (2019) Yzerman drafted Seider and Johansson who should be both studs in the NHL. But his best pick from his first draft year is only just finished his second season and you want to cut the cord. You guys are all nuts.

[@maxrcrypto]

The NHL draft is for 18 year old players. 99% of them can't play in the NHL right away. This is why rebuilds take longer

[@nostradamus420]

#LGRW

[@silverFOX-dj9zj]

Watch your mouth about Kane

[@randysaber5220]

The bottom line here is the wing's have not made the playoffs in 8 year's I'm done with the excuses at this point

[@Nacnud92]

Funny how a guy that doesn’t follow hockey and follows sports that basically have no salary cap complains about the Wings not “making a splash”… lmao

[@MES1331]

Yeah there’s no point of that guy talking hockey lol. Wings didn’t have chances to draft Hutchinson and high end 1st overall picks. The lower picks we’ve had, they’ve hit on. The rest take time to develop, doesn’t work like NFL where these guys have 2+ years of college already lol. Guy is talking about winning the Calder cup lmfao. That team had a ton of career AHLers and a few good prospects on it.

[@mattponkowski6396]

Is Edvinsson a replacement for Jake Walman or Ghost? Still need another Right Handed Defenseman. Since, Trouda cares more about his wife's career than playing professional hockey.

[@user-gw5wg2jf9c]

man u could have 100 right handed players they still ain't left handed

[@rickie2sticky66]

People forget how BAD the Wings were...

[@CrossIcePassNYC]

WTF does a football guy talk… fix it …. Separated that shit😊

[@SuperRyanreed]

Whos the dumbsss?

[@tydoom7559]

This draft and free agency(besides Tarasenko) has been fuckin trash bags and a half. Erik Gustafsson won't even get half the points Ghost did. Motte won't even get half the points Sprong did. Talbot is so washed up and old, good god. WE DO NOT PLAY ENOUGH OF OUR DRAFT PICKS PERIOD

[@JoroEdde]

Lions shirt dude needs to wear a gag.. everything he was saying just sounded like a Karen telling someone to move their vehicle. Get him off the air #clueless

[@voidvisual]

Bro just should not have said a word 😂 the second you say you’re a casual I’m immediately ignoring your opinion

[@SwingDance-j7k]

He lost in cup final in 2014-15. He aight

[@scottritcey5166]

What excuse will Neil make if they miss the playoffs again?

[@caleb-dx7yd]

Wings also lost Jake, Robbi, Shayne.

[@user-hk2ys4no1i]

This guy just yells ,who would want to be in a room with him or support this network

[@LottoLegend]

The guy in pink have no clue what he saying

[@2612chef]

This is the worst sports discussion I’ve ever heard… wow