"You Take My Base, I'll Take Your Units" - Beyond All Reason (BAR)

[@Dave-tB]

Just to be clear, as there was some confusion in this video and another (by BrightWerksGaming), the "give it back" was referring to my commander, rather than the wind turbines. I had accidentally had my commander selected when I shared the winds over! Otherwise, this was the first time we tried this strategy after testing out the timing once vs bots. A lot of things we could have done to improve it, for sure!

[@rami-succar7356]

twas crazy

[@sir9129]

Youre quickly becoming my favorite BAR content creator! Keep up the great work.

[@UnknownSquid]

Players really gotta learn not to tilt. Kehvin rage quitting that game, meant that he lost skill rating, whilst his team went on to win and gained in rating. Sometimes you get hit, but he was far from out. Part of being a good player is knowing how to take a hit and bounce back. How to be a team player. I'd love to see a "curb your enthusiasm meme" style side series, or even a single video montage of "gg" and "It's over" early resign moments that turned out to be premature. For educational purposes. '-'

[@ericb7937]

Love waking up to these videos. Especially on a sunday. Can't wait to grab a coffee and sit back. Great channel!

[@aaronandrewjones]

Loving the BAR content Drongo - TA comparisons helping me with context. AOE4 is great and all but right here right now is the pinnacle of RTS.

[@uruson]

I've never played the game, but I've watched a bunch of it, and had a similar idea a few weeks ago; That of one commander not even building a lab and assisting the other instead. My idea went slightly differently, in that the assisting commander would literally assist construction - commanders have like 300 build power don't they? Reasoning is simple - each player starts with 1k metal. Ergo, two players sharing would leave 2k metal at their disposal from the very start - limitation is energy and build power. Commander has a bunch of build power, and energy can simply be built then reclaimed later for its metal. Thus, an assisted t2 rush should be incredibly quick. So, in situations where you have two eco players (for example, straits) this seems like it should be the superior strategy. A few other thoughts that have crossed my mind; More usage of the eco sharing slider, specifically having each player drop it really low so that you're working under a shared economy. (communication required) The boon of this idea is that the 'ecoing player' would passively benefit the 'fighting player' via eco, and vice versa when the 'fighting player' overflows reclaim. Energy flooding via eco slider; Once finishing the AFUS, drop the energy eco slider to zero. I haven't played the game, but the way I understand it, it will 'overflow' all energy made to other players if possible if you do this. A sudden +3k energy income for other players would inevitably fill their bars to capacity, and once they're full, you'd net the remainder for yourself. I'm not sure how useful this is, but it seems like it could be very useful for the frontline players to have 'infinite energy.' (rezbots free to mass-rez enemy units comes to mind) It'd be a 'team-oriented' strategy, and cut into your ecoing plans. Not sure whether that is worth it or not, but I'd want to try it sometime. Just gotta get around to launching the game.

[@Womblewobble1321]

Not only is Drongo a good commentator he is great at giving tips for the game. Learnt lots so far!

[@johnsterlacci132]

8v8 is the most common game format, but idt it's the best spectator format. Outback octagon works cause FFA is a much more forgiving format, the field gets whittled down throughout the cast. Would be interested to see you try to cast some BAR 1v1s or 4v4s where it's much easier to keep tabs on the primary action.

[@DrLeeX]

Much prefer the game casts instead of the tutorials personally.

[@timmietimmins3780]

Really neat strategy, but I think It would be a lot better if they didn't completely join. Just pool resources for the AFUS and transfer windmills and bulk metal back and forth. They were very late getting T2 mexes because red had the APM, but just not the infrastructure to run it. That would be a far more valuable early investment, as I believe the payback on an advanced mex is usually about 100 seconds, where as it's 225 for AFUS+Advanced Converters. It is NOT worth delaying your Amexes to get a faster AFUS. Not even close. I would like to see them overbuild mobile build power, go for one fusion, and then they upgrade mexes. Dump any excess economy into the afus, but build your mexes up. With the apm of 2 players, this should be very practical, and would come online much faster. but yeah, I think this makes a lot of sense. I have always felt that building and reclaiming bot labs makes much less sense than just sharing constructors, and the entire job of the back line has always been, to my mind, to reduce the amount of inefficient economy that gets built, by building efficient economy. The obvious easiest way to do this would be to have one guy in the corner build nothing but AFUS under air and nuke cover, while giving them to his team as they complete, but that's of course not super realistic due to the trust required to get your front line to not attempt to scale at all AND give you resources to speed up construction.

[@SandyG3TX]

Ready for more bar videos!!! Great commentary.

[@sebastiangundolf6740]

I have seen this game here for the first time.. I need to play it! ❤ I had your video recommended to me for whatever reason and the thumbnail caught me. Reminds me a lot of my childgood game Total Annihilation. The factions are Armada and Corex? So they are obviously inspired by TA, great!

[@Terminarch]

If anyone wants to do this, have the macro player re-gift the factory when it's unit time. Then simply assign con turrets to assist. Can still throttle spending by changing the number of turrets assigned, but no need to manually transfer batches of units for the rest of the game.

[@bitslammer]

That makes much more sense.

[@ly_0]

Would this work? The micro/unit player wouldn't have the resources though. Build power doesn't matter if can't spend the metal/energy to build it.

[@Terminarch]

@@ly_0 The factory's build power wouldn't help without resources. but the turrets draw from the owner's (macro) bank.

[@ly_0]

@@Terminarch oh! I suppose that does make sense

[@Armadillyo]

Thanks for making BAR content!

[@Dead_Fish0]

Great game and great casting - my only recommendation was you talked so much about the bombing run and then totally missed it on the mini-map whilst trying to remember names 😆

[@joeschroedernz]

Yes I want casted games with your technical insights.

[@InvisibleForSCII]

I love your BAR custards games sir drongo. keep it up!

[@mtking4]

NGL I'm a bit disappointed we didn't see any triple thor gantries from the thumbnail

[@kanseidorifto2430]

"Raise the bar", if you will. "Raise the BAR" LMAO

[@Argonwolfproject]

|8D| was so instrumental in the win, then throws away any respect he had with "ez".

[@SweetJP.]

i've noticed how many games that has been played and nobody goes the SC opening method with a few scout units. Scouting in this game with 3 T1 fast units, from all 8 players could literally win you the game in 5 minutes like 70% of the time of not more.

[@mishQasim]

Like your content very much. Thank you for efforts

[@ForestDude86]

Dude, that bombing run #T90blind ;)

[@LaMainy]

How do you choose replays?

[@snuffinperl8059]

wow, what a cast!

[@rossallen738]

Imagine if they instead went for the nuke rush... No one is going to have antinukes and they could have knocked a few players back to square 1.

[@jmarino715]

Great video! Now if we can just get a widget to auto-share the units that are produced to a specific player...

[@shadow7988]

Few things as satisfying as watching a devastating carpet bombing run in this game. Always amazes me how people get so far into a match and see no problem with dumping mountains of resources into a bunch of T3 stuff but then don't build any AA to protect their base from instant death.

[@jacobnunya]

i love how it says this game is total annihilation under the details

[@nathanielblairofkew1082]

More BAR content please!

[@abusethesun]

Loved the Archon play but after the Jag push failed they should have gone back to eco boom and then bomber blitz. They were crazy far ahead in eco scaling. Would have gotten an easy Rag up and won no problem.

[@MadSolarV2]

fantastic, cant wait for this to become an e sport so good to watch

[@andrewgreeb916]

Air walls are a bit too easy to dismantle, it's probably better to have air response forces. Cause if you have an air wall an opposing player can just walk a couple aa units under it and the air wall will begin to crumble

[@bitslammer]

I've wondered about this as I think it allows 2 players to really focus. One can stay locked onto booming and the other can micro like mad since they can be dedicated 100% to units. Just imagine being 7-8min into the game and seeing a hound or sheldon show up on your doorstep. Not fun. Just like AoE4 this could be that early aggression thing that people never quite recover from.

[@ericbehm5890]

i had 3 games in a row where I was sweating cause of my flank was always weak, or my frontline. On my 3rd game, I raged quit, cause its just too tiring to have to carry every game.

[@ruler898]

I still prefer supreme commander (FAF client obv) but its a great thing when we see these massive scale rts games become a thing again

[@LaMainy]

Dammit, I just saw this replay from some other creator, dunno which one.

[@bluu.0111]

BrightWorks?

[@bumdaffy5828]

good vid!

[@Sakrosankt-Bierstube]

So.. i just downloaded BAR, played one match.. got totally fucked, i love it!

[@manumaster1990]

nice

[@Hazen87]

I think if you want to cast BAR you have to take the StarCraft approach. Often casters come in pairs. Both talk evenly about the game but the “main” guy has control of the screen the audience is watching. The “off” screen guy comments on what is on the screen but also looks around the map to identify other points of interest. You don’t want to miss the action. Then you do the “Formula 1 approach” for tense situations. “2 seconds Ted, we got a massive pawn run by coming in right now” and the main guy does the colour commentary for that, which you would be good at.

[@Hazen87]

Edit: ahh what am I saying, of course you’ve casted tournaments before in age of empires so you know all about it.

[@Loxen86]

With Wintergaming seeming to bounce between other games, and leaving BAR behind for now, the handful of casters, you might have a open door to viewership

[@Loxen86]

Also, if you ever desire to do long casts, I suggest finding another content creator to buddy up with. TheBightworks is pretty cool guy, maybe try a co cast one of these days?

[@Masteraal]

I'm just wondering, why aren't players just donating constructors to purple who is dead but just sitting there. Surely you can just boom in the corner somewhere and donate resources instead?

[@IDonotHaveAGoodName]

Same reason why they spent so much into t3/eco yet couldn't bother to place aa

[@kylerearp9091]

Comments

[@TheNipSnipper]

Stop caring about whether or not you're pronouncing made up names correctly lol. Just wing it and stop bringing it up every single time you talk about that player.

[@Mythic1560]

First

[@DafcX]

not many beyond all content creators for learning only bright guy but ur far more entertaining and best to watch his strategies are not so clean and i can see alot of flaws. Havent found anything better than you for that .