Development Blog - Lesta Veering Into Pay2Win?

Lesta recently announced a signal rework, introducing different tiers of new signals that combine the old ones. This entire setup looks like one short step away from absolute pay2win gameplay.
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[@Flamuu]

As someone in chat said, there's no way they did all of this just out of the goodness of their hearts. Absolutely no one has been asking for a signal rework. There's absolutely projected profits in adding 4 different tiers to the signals. Twitter: twitter.com/flamuchz Discord: discord.gg/Flamu Stream: www.twitch.tv/flamuu Insta: instagram.com/flamugram/

[@mrbruhman8842]

Equal signals for everybody, as Stalin intended

[@davidblackman1586]

That's not communism at all.

[@trololoev]

Why? From people to people.​@@davidblackman1586

[@Mayak_Kommunizm]

Uh...Communism does not work like that.

[@HexVertex]

So they are essentially saying: if you want to be competetive in our serious thinking man's action game you are required to play their events whenever they want you to and probably pay up whenever they want you to.

[@outfit5103]

Ah yes the bond system of wot Wows edition

[@Chocolate_cooki3]

I know that this is a Lesta change, but I am very concerned that this is one of the changes that WG will copy over to us

[@Flamuu]

They would ignore all the good stuff but get inspired by this

[@Chocolate_cooki3]

All I’m saying is that out of every changes lesta have made, this is probably the only one I wouldn’t put past WG to copy

[@CTAJIEBAP]

@@Flamuu Good stuff doesn't make them money(not directly), creating problems and selling solutions does.

[@Dbars19]

@@Flamuu graphic updates, maps, ignored. new ways to milk players??? put it in the game!!

[@sliceofcheese8360]

Man I’m glad this isn’t on the wargaming version

[@120420]

You acting like Wargaming won't be doing this...lol. Leesta pulls something out of its ass. Realizes the $ potential and passes it on down the line! 😅

[@sliceofcheese8360]

@@120420 lesta has released so much crap that wargaming hasn’t so far, im holding a little hope lol

[@giroromek8423]

Yet 😅

[@aleksei5172]

In this case I wouldn't be surprised if WG adopted the "best practices"

[@120420]

@@sliceofcheese8360 Hope is a terrible reason for you to still cling to the game. That is when you know it's shit and not worth it anymore!

[@Saddy231]

all of a sudden wargaming doesnt sound so bad lmao

[@jfloop77]

WG sounds exactly like the same stinking liar as Lesta breaking every word they give.

[@volknetai.3690]

You just need to wait for whatever weird shit they come up to compete with lesta

[@Sira_Kackavalj]

Wont be long before this come to WG side

[@minhquanvo5943]

pretty much pay to win at this point, the elite which is the [paid player will always have high advantage than the standard which f2p gonna use.

[@UnfortunateWatcher]

Signals are hard enough to get, wonderful.

[@shironee_2384]

As soon as I saw the requirement for achievement signals would be cumulative (earn any achievements x times), I thought there's a possibility of bots farmer running rampant, or a grinder being in a division with afk accounts for division achievements.

[@jabo109]

Also, they added stupid bonuses together, if I want to use my torpedo spd flag for my DDs I will spend my secondary flag as well. Now you will need tons more of flags, well thought WG.😆

[@colinschenck2129]

There will be CCs out there who will try to defend it and tell you why it's good

[@plichi87]

So when will there be special ammo type to purchase giving more pen or/and higher alpha damage?

[@volknetai.3690]

Or adjustable fuse time so my battleships doesn't overpenetrate the broadside ships

[@plichi87]

@@volknetai.3690 works against every light cruiser BUT Smolensk cause soviet engineering was that good that it cannot be outperformed even by pay2win

[@Ima9ineBreak3r]

WG, when they are in a "ruin your game as fast as you can" competition and their opponent is Lesta: *Shocked Squidward*

[@ImRandomDude]

conversion will be equal.... me looking at amount of my signals ranging from 1k to 4k each ... yeah conversion will be fair compared to someone running dry

[@alexander3364]

I visited a reddit thread that asked if WoW is P2W, back 2 years ago the majority of player still claim that it is a "Pay2Skip". I will really interesting for a new Reddit thread that talking about that and I want to know all those that defense WeeGee back in the day how do they defense them now...

[@ElectrikHellfire]

I haven’t bothered with them since Camo stopped including bonuses.

[@JasonBlack66]

A BLATANT MONEY GRAB!!!

[@lukestables708]

Good point about clans playing better version of the game. Shame we can't just have that as the normal mode.

[@DaylightFan4449]

on the "they always lie" lets not forget the shit they pulled with the OG PR Dockyard where someone DID THE FUCKING MATH and PROVED they were lying when they said it was easy and all WG/Lesta could do was post a reply that basically just insulted the ENTIRE playerbase

[@serve_xt4298]

Backtracking a bit you can notice every rework they do is for milking where they couldn't before: they removed signals for achievements to milk credits there (they also promised to give something in return but ofc that never happened), the research bureau to milk free xp more efectively, the xp modifiers to milk the past xp signals (we got a bunch from the exchange but they rarely give blue and red ones and the jump from gray to other levels is way too big) and now lesta tries to milk on the regular flags...

[@LJKGray]

Weegee: Lesta changed Cv - I sleep Weegee: Lesta implement new P2W - Now that's the real shit

[@maximiliangraves4195]

I bet this wil hit us way bevore the CV Rework.....

[@JasonBlack66]

So what are we going to do about it? The usual?

[@frankmg4250]

Foxrot still dont have range boost

[@jure224]

Please all Players shoud Play on one day only tier 1 and 2!

[@eric-wb7gj]

TY 🙏🙏

[@alexanderfranke9951]

What happened to Ramming bonuses and Detonations?? Are there Signals for that or are we just gonna have random detonations in competitive?

[@CesarinPillinGaming]

The logic of whoever is writing those texts.. showcases how disconnected he is from freaking reality. He just literally destroyed his own argument. If not players field all flags and not all buy them... And now you reduce the amount of flags and give boosts together.. Just makes the freaking disparity even higher!

[@Xplod2064]

Great so we are expecting this to be forced into the game in 6months?

[@JasonBlack66]

Let's organize a Protest. I bet no one turns up

[@JasonBlack66]

It drives you crazy.I took about 1.5 years away from the game. I came back about 2 months ago. I go to play clanbattles and as a cruiser player, it would be essential to have both a Petra and a Napoli. So I grind the shit out of the Wisky (get it in 2 weeks lol ~10 hours per day)(only paid for 2 phases) as well as the petra and save the coal for the Napoli. I got to use the Petra for a week or so of the CB's test and I didn't play the Napoli (wanted to get practice first). Anyway, then the schedule for the next CB's comes out and I find out I can not play the Napoli or the Petra :/ I know you cant either, but I got all these ships in a few weeks literally just for CB's then they cancel being allowed to use the ships. So maybe I shouldn't bother buying the Top ships?! Especially if I find out I will only ever be able to use them in Randoms :/ I hardly play randoms anymore?!

[@benjiro8793]

The funny part is, even if Lesta goes pay to win, ... if your EU or US player, your WAY cheaper then anything on the Wargaming World of Warships. Look up the Belarus version, convert the Doubloons to what you pay for Wargaming doubloons, and your getting 4x !!! the amount of doubloons. Containers etc, 3x !!! ... So the ironic part is, you can be whaling in pay to win and still be multiple times cheaper then playing the same game fairly on Wargaming their version. So if you spend 250 Euro, its like spending a 1000 Euro in EU money. You can theoretically whale most of the ships for like 300 Euro... Ironically, that makes Lesta their version more interesting then Wargaming's.. O, and you can tell who has the graphical department. Lesta has better ship modules checking (ingame screen), clouds, etc... Just thing i noticed with just playing the game half a hour with the Belarus version. I do not know, but i feel that Lesta tries more, where as Wargaming just keeps doing the same shit all over again. Even if Lesta is sometimes drunk on Vodka *lol*

[@DV-uk3qn]

The defense of "we already have this dog shit mechanic in the game, this is just us making it worse" is one hell of a defense.

[@buraktunacengiz]

yo flamu how to play lesta in english

[@benjiro8793]

You need to copy the language file from the EU/US version, to the Belarus/Russian version. Google search, do not remember the filename.

[@SuziQ499]

Btw no secondary range?.

[@dimvssometimes]

They put the bonus into the secondary modification

[@RetroletsplayGBA]

And here it comes 😂

[@Shanex250]

+12% versus +20% flood chance is a VAST difference. That's literally going from around 1 of 10 torpedoes causing a flood to 1 of 5, and that's not even taking into account the percentages of the torpedoes themselves. Have they lost their minds? it's going to be called Flood of Warships at this point.

[@terrorslave7926]

please lower the taxes Lordship I need to clothe my children

[@trololoev]

I have some faith in Lesta, because they give Kitakami for free, not like WG.

[@Dominus_Potatus]

In a game where they balance the game by changing 5% of anything. getting buff by 5% is something

[@andrewbradley2208]

Same old song and dance. We've all seen and heard this dog and pony show before.

[@JasonBlack66]

Are the developers bored or are the shareholders broke? Either way, there must be better ways for WG to grab money than to piss off their entire WoWS base.

[@MrElectrology]

time to move on next game ....

[@dreadnought5680]

wow, thats disgusting, it's a clear pay2win

[@theredreiter]

When I see true pay 2 win, I'm done. 9 years is long enough

[@greatmatt301]

WOWS YOUR MOM

[@gasbdiscord2791]

drg mentioned: ROCK AND STONE!

[@SuziQ499]

game has always been p2w whales whale for the best ships and buy their flags and eco camos.

[@benjiro8793]

Yep, I do not understand the outrage when even in the past people with more money, had more chance of winning because they had rare ships with better stats. The main reason we get 75% paid/coal/steel ships these days vs 25% techtree is the entire pay to win and nerfing older ships over time. Instead of golden ammo, you had a Yamato at T9, or a better version of the techtree DD, or ... Aka, more firepower, speed or whatever aka, ... pay to win. Now people actually using that better, ........ world of tanks and gold ammo long time proven that paying does not make people better players ;)

[@DaxRaider]

so glad i not play on russia i would instantly stop playing

[@JasonBlack66]

So angry at WG right now. They are so Arrogant.

[@ladion7285]

The signal system itself is already pretty bad. This is reaaaaly scammy and i ask you: Where is the fun in that gamechanic? Who benefits from it?

[@beyond560]

If this crap comes to EU then I will sell my acc and never play it again

[@crapmalls]

I'm just gonna grind and the payers can waste their money

[@herrvorragend882]

Its the continuous act of braking promises that made me hate this game and eventually stop playing in the end. And it hurts, since the game as a whole used to be so great. But I cannot and will not support this company or wargaming (as a european) any longer. You can tell that they are lying when a new dev blog gets released

[@hagostaeldmann]

Let's be honest: this game has always been pay to win wiith the signals. If you're a new player, no premium time, there is no universe you have enough credits to run flags.

[@jakubslavik5595]

Hell, I don't have the credits to run flags that much and I am an open beta player. I run 1 or 2 flags on most of the ships, very often even no flags, just to save them for other occasions.

[@hagostaeldmann]

obviously this turns it up to 11, but if you're a new player this game is crazy pay to win

[@boblihvarq]

im selling account with almost all of tech tree ships + quite some coal/steel and some relics of the past

[@alphax4785]

This is Lesta's version of the game. WG is still interested in 'fixing' CV spotting by adding 50 new mechanics and hasn't given any inkling of f'ing over the combat signal system as of now.

[@Bohdisattva326]

The only way to truly “win” is ditch wg titles…..

[@Dbars19]

yea id instantly stop playin if EU got this.

[@bigpoppa1234]

The price Russians pay for getting rid of detonations.

[@unknown23hornet22]

flags should be banned in comp then

[@TTUSalvo]

Welp...time for me to stop playing this game too.

[@TR-kk2bh]

Lets hope this BS never makes it to WOWS

[@dewannee]

This company just got too arrogant and too greedy, they never want their game to get better. Better in their dictionary is pure profit, if this is the case then cut the BS with free online game theme, just go blatantly pay us instead. Well a company should have profit on their product, but should they have to act like some political party with their hypocrisy? Political clown I say. Edit: "We are so honest that we told you first before we steal." - Lesta -

[@EZE-007]

let the game die

[@randomgameplay5465]

obligatory first!!

[@ME262MKI]

Lesta needs funds to support ruZZia's "special operation"

[@Stvnpetersen]

Nobody gives a shit about Lesta 🥱