Deviant's Lock Advice - Part 03 - My Deadbolt the Past Two Decades

[@peter_smyth]

I feel like changing/upgrading the lock on your house for the first time, is definitely something to test before you shut the door. I wouldn't want to have to call a trained locksmith out because I rekeyed my own front door but got it wrong, and am now stuck on the doorstep.

[@DeviantOllam]

Good advice :)

[@LeeThule]

Pro tip - leave a window open.

[@pahwraith]

That's fair and good advice. but doesn't fire code require at least two entryways in a residence? It does in my city, I assumed it was the same everywhere.

[@DeviantOllam]

@@pahwraith It can vary a lot from city to city. Also, it's typically not entrances as much as *exits* that are required. ;-)

[@anullhandle]

Test your backup scheme before your hard drive dies. Loosen the the fill bolt before pulling the drain bolt. Don't half ass it and screw the next guy. It will be you...

[@MrV1NC3N7V3G4]

I've been watching your various videos at hacking conferences for years...it's funny to see someone making KZbin videos that just doesn't care about monetization or sponsors for a change!

[@DeviantOllam]

Thanks!

[@thegingineer0]

Bit of advice that I may regret giving out once they get out of stock is that the refills for a kit are typically sold an order of magnitude cheaper than the kit. Rather than buy the kit, buying the refill and keeping it in a harbor freight parts container is a more economical option. There's usually something on the refill bags telling you what the pins/parts are anyways.

[@DeviantOllam]

yes that's also an option

[@Evan_Horvath]

The B60 deadbolts come with spools. I replace the cylinders with 6-pin versions, and use a mixture of spools and serrated driver pins. Very good residential lock.

[@lawfulmasses]

Oh god I still have a pin kit I did exactly that to. Left it open and unlatched while pinning, dog stepped on it and now I have hours of micrometer practice. Thanks for the great video!

[@ahmadaamer6]

That sucks! How did organizing your kit go?

[@lawfulmasses]

@@ahmadaamer6 It hasn't.

[@neruneri]

@@lawfulmasses I'd like to imagine there's a montage of you no longer being the badass lawyer, or the youtube superstar, and instead are just the dude who has to reorganize his pins.

[@NightRavenGSA01]

Let's get this out onto a tray. Nice!

[@jackpestaner6925]

My favorite deadbolt of all time is the Best double cylinder where the inside screws are covered by a plate held in by the core, but clearly, SFIC isnt for every homeowner or DIY person (unless they have a key combinator, capping press and A2 pinning kit in their basement). The Best has the free spinning rings that are wrench resistant, all brass parts (I believe the Schlage B660 is also brass, never a fan of the pot metal housings in the lower end stuff), and very heavy thru bolts. The main weakness in all deadbolt installations is the lack of reinforcement in the frame. I do like the Medeco strike box that has two holes in the back, allowing for long screws sunk deeply into the wall framing. The Schlage backing plate is good too, but sometimes requires longer screws to really reach into the wall framing. BTW, your video from ShakaCon on the Perfect Door was one of the best things I have seen. You addressed so many vulnerabilities to a $4K door installation, especially debunking double door installations. For data centers I advocate either a 4 ft wide door, or if they must have doubles, a removable mullion. Coordinators, automatic flush bolts, astragals = problems, failures, and vulnerabilities. Every serious building manager should see your video.

[@ryanwilson_canada]

I've been meaning to pick up an EZ loader for a long time now. Perhaps I'll do that later this week. Down the rabbit hole of lock tools I go. See you next week. Haha

[@coryandrum]

I have watched your talks and understand that with simple pin changing can improve security. Just like those screws for the hinge i changed out the pins in my deadbolt. It was kinda difficult to do the first time and I thank you for taking the time to make this video. This "Deviant's Lock Advice" series is amazing!

[@Jazzy_Josh]

Great series Deviant. Really enjoying the content.

[@DeviantOllam]

Thanks! 👍

[@SF-wk4lx]

I’ve had a pinning kit fall before. So many sadness sprinkles staring up at me

[@DeviantOllam]

😱

[@stevebabiak6997]

Back in the day when technical drawings were done with pencil on paper, mistakes would have to be erased; and when the detail being erased was close to a detail to be kept, an “eraser shield” would be used to protect that which was to be kept. These eraser shields are a sheet of thin metal with holes in them. That could be a possibility to explore for the measuring gauge, either material source or even a possible fabricator.

[@Oranos2115]

I've tried a few times and I can't watch this because I keep laughing too hard at 1:42-1:54 cool video series & thanks for making it

[@timbober1]

It’s nice to have interesting content to look forward to. I appreciate you.

[@BandEAtoZ]

There are few experiences more demoralizing than rainbowing your pinning kit.

[@raisage]

Your point at 12 minutes about which way is front is very important. I don't know if it's possible, since the video is already up, but if you could add that note earlier in the video, say around 3-4 minutes in, that might save people some grief, in case they didn't watch all the way through. Not that any eager beaver would jump in without reading all the instructions first ;)

[@Chirael]

Great stuff, the whole series, love it. Thanks for making and sharing this 😊

[@brysonalden5414]

Almost willing to try this, thanks to your videos!

[@DeviantOllam]

You're most welcome 😁👍

[@DeviantOllam]

Good luck if you do! (I'll even say "when" you do!)

[@ImGumbyDangit]

Love your added animation. Thx for the video.

[@MarylandDevin]

Question about the security grade: The B60 is a grade 1 which is supposed to be "best" but the 560 is a grade 2. However, everywhere I see people say the 560 is the superior lock, and the price shows this as well. Can you please explain why the 560 is a better lock without receiving a grade 1? How does the security compare or are there other factors? Thanks

[@Cynyr]

"Drop it! Press it! Advance it!" -The Deviant Musical.

[@thomaselmer9728]

It's just a jump to the left, and then a step to the Riiiiiight.

[@Isheian]

You forgot bop it.

[@hewhoadds]

17:20 me, new locksmith: wow let me pick up this closed pin case me, former locksmith with pins all around my feet: well that was fun while it lasted

[@juicebox86]

This was an awesome video. Such a wide audience base could find this useful.

[@juicebox86]

Also, is that a Glencairn glass or is Rhino the brand??

[@andreasbachlindsmann1610]

Lovely! Now, how about a video about securing the rest of the house? Windows in the ceiling, terrace doors and catflaps, that sort of thing. Here in Denmark, thieves don't really bother with locks, they favour dismantling window frames, or destructive entry. Sterling work, as always! Sincerely, A. B. Lindsmann

[@Ky-lb5ts]

Skookum stuff my friend! Always happy to see a new video from you come out

[@DeviantOllam]

This is a fun series to do. :)

[@greendryerlint]

I have Schlage locks on my home including a dual-cylinder deadbolt on my back door, which is steel but has a window. My house has so many windows that anyone that really wants to get in can use their lucky lock picking brick to defeat my security, but the double cylinder at least is a nod towards making it a bit difficult. The keys have decent bitting and I have not been able to bump the locks. I did know that hi-low bitting was better than not back in the days before I was much into lock picking, though I always liked locks and keys. I gained respect for Schlage's tolerances when the local hardware store was unable to produce a duplicate key for me that would work without jiggling. They had no problems with the landlord provided Kwikset on my GF's apartment. With a lot of time involved, I did manage to SPP the inside cylinder of my Schlage. I could not rake it. No doubt LPL or similar could open it in a minute or less. But another indication of quality is that I've had it on my door for 15 years and it works as smoothly and feels as tight as the day I installed it with just a bit of Lock-Eze every year or so. With this video series as inspiration, I will likely try re-keying the one padlock I use to match my house key. Possibly some good whisky for additional inspiration.

[@JamesBarthelemy]

The Ilco product driver and spring pin combo is called Bump Halt. Does a great job against bumping. I'm a locksmith that has used that as an upgrade for folks for years.

[@DeviantOllam]

yeah, i love them

[@dcriley65]

I'm thinking Good door, Good Dead Bolt security, and this episcope. You learn something everyday😉 Love you D-Man, Sorry It's my Call Sign for ya!

[@DeviantOllam]

I'll accept it :)

[@caquino]

Friends, I see that in the US we can find key-in-knob cylinders really cheap to build training locks, but any of you know if is there any similar in cost option in Europe? feels like everything costs at least 3 times more sadly :(

[@CWGminer]

If there's nothing local, you could always order KiK cylinders from American eBay. You can use a P. O. box to buy US items that don't ship to Europe if you're willing to pay a little extra for it, though I imagine that sort of defeats the purpose of it being cheap.

[@taylornate2]

When I was two years old, I proudly flipped my dad's open pin kit right off the table

[@Kristopherwong]

@DeviantOllam can you link or let me know if you send this to Bill or lockpickinglawyer? I would love to see them pick the lock. In fact I would love to see a back and forth on these locks. Great video btw. :)

[@thelockpickinglebowski633]

Great video in many ways! Those standard driver pins can "fuck right off". LOL

[@christopherguy1217]

I learned to rekey my locks when I got a quote to do all five doors each with a lever lock and a double cylinder deadbolt. That was fifteen locks at $10 a lock, eBay was my friend. Now I realize that every lock in my house is garbage, standard Weisser locks with no security pins and poor bitting. Having watched this series I now realize I can probably just rekey all the locks with security pins, a strong spring or two and make the locks a little more challenging. Heck even I can rake the lock open so any can. One question, where can I find a pinning kit with security pins, they all seem to be standard pin kits. Clearly I'm not looking in the right places.

[@matthewellisor5835]

Only thing worse than those red springs come from Bic lighters. I'd never do it but I've heard of people making pick-murdering "challenge" locks. Does it count as a challenge when the damage is to your wallet?

[@crowley357]

Smooth as silk...

[@DavidLindes]

Question (is this a good place for them?): I'm wanting to get a bunch of locks to re-equip a duplex... planning to re-pin myself (for the fun and learning experience of it, mostly), and I've already practiced a bit by adding master pins to a B60 such that it can be opened both by the key it came with and another key I had lying around (that had bitting that was compatible with master-pin-based differentiation)... so far so good. Trying to decide between buying more B60's and some replacement cylinders (I'd like to go 6-pin for reasons, but don't feel like a strong need for the extra physical security of B560 (the doorjambs are currently the weakest link)... but I'm having trouble figuring out what's a good source for cylinders, and also wondering if the 6-pin nature of the B560's would make it worth just getting those anyway. Got any recommendations on a cylinder and/or a source for cylinders? Like, CLK Supplies sells the GMS Industries K001-SC-US4, which seems like it could nominally give me what I"m looking for, but I have no experience with either that vendor (CLK), that brand (GMS), or this product. Is it any good? Other recommendations? Should I just get the 560, and maybe some spool pins to swap out to (or maybe not bother -- again, I think the lock won't be the weakest link here, even with a low-end lock -- I just want at least half-decent keying, mostly for some sort of aesthetic sense, and also maybe for doing padlocks too, etc.) Thoughts welcome - from Dev or others who see this.

[@Evan_Horvath]

Instead of a standard pin in the 6th position, you should use a hardened steel pin. It doesn't look like that core had any drill protection. The Schlage B60 core comes with drill protection, but the aftermarket 6 pin cores I get from CLK do not, so I use a hardened steel pin in those.

[@MotoErgoSum]

Have you experimented with the security pins from Sparrows, like the check pins? I keyed our house with a nasty combination of spools, check, munition, and others. I can normally click through most regular schlage locks pretty quickly but I have yet to open my own house combo. Maybe I went a step too far...

[@DeviantOllam]

i have seen their crazy check pieces set, yeah. more for challenge lock picking than commercial work, but they are cool looking!

[@witmoreluke]

I know it was Andy, but loving Contrapoints on the nes lol. Also, you've convinced me to learn how the hell to do all this. Cheers!

[@PeregrineBF]

I'd probably put the standard pin at the front, and use a hardened steel one for it. Just to make the locksmith's life harder when I screw up the install and lock myself out!

[@ponderinggeek7861]

Totally agree! The B560 is really a good value.

[@LongboatLtd2004]

The B560 looks like it was based on the B160...

[@nrowlett]

Oh.. we don't need to dump any 'Misery Sprinkles' --- Always secure your pin kit latches, and keep it on the level!

[@danieljaworski1294]

Can you recommend a wholesaler for Lab Pins?

[@DeviantOllam]

American Key Supply has pretty good pricing... www.americankeysupply.com/category/lab-pins-kits-156

[@JiSe6669]

Thank you for great video :P Partly because of you and because of Lockpicking lawyer I ordered my first (shitty) lockpicking kit and practice lock. Will probably order some better gear when the basics are done.

[@DeviantOllam]

So cool to hear it!

[@MrJoel8959]

If I order the B560 from online how do I know if I’m getting what I paid for? Is there any markings or serial number to identify the B560 vs the B60? Thank you.

[@TheKeyote]

I'm constantly worried about the andifas snuggling just about everything!

[@anthonypolsinelli1179]

Deviant, this all seems great, locks are great deterants, and I suppose this is good to prevent covert entry, but personally if I was going to be attacking a house, If the door was locked, I'd probably be going straight for a window. So a security system I'd imagine is relatively important, do you have any suggestions for best practice for security system? How bout securing windows? I know a window isn't crazy hard to break, but perhaps you have some ideas?

[@thomaselmer9728]

Highlight of the video....The announcer lady at the end. Yeah Tarah! Just kidding great video Deviant.

[@LongboatLtd2004]

The B560 looks similar to the B160... 4.Jun.2021

[@markcall9695]

When can we get our hands on the Devious Decoder Card! Man I need like 10 asap!

[@DavidLindes]

9:17 - did this ever get sent? Got the video-id (or a link)? I'd love to watch. :)

[@EddyBombay]

I popped for the Futurama reference.

[@legion162]

Really hope you send it to BB or LPL, just out of interest to see how long it would take extraordinarily good pickers. Awesome content 👍👍👍👍

[@DeviantOllam]

oh i'm sure they'd be able to get it open... but the point of course wasn't to demonstrate a means of making something pick-proof, simply to demonstrate that it's within the grasp of your average person to make a lock much more robust than they might have imagined.

[@legion162]

@@DeviantOllam totally get the point of the video series, and I'm thoroughly enjoying it, on basically a pretty simple lock into a slightly tougher one,easily at home with no real difficulty. It was more of a thought exercise about BB or LPL giving their impression on pre and post mod difficultly differences. At my house the brick pick is going to defeat the high security door lock anyway 😂😂😂 Anyway, brilliant series, I've just finished watching the latest one.

[@kschleic9053]

Check out photo-chemical machining for your deviantcard... make them out of stainless steel. I've had parts made by NWetch.com, their costs are good and the precision then can achieve is incredible. They could also cut the gauges and etch labels in the same process.

[@DeviantOllam]

Ah yes, we've done photochemical etch with metal for things like the TOOOL card

[@blaked7532]

Damn, etched on a PCB, never thought of that one, thats really cool. Did ya know you can etch a PCB yourself with picklejuice? there's a cool project on instructables showing how to do it. No crazy acids needed.

[@blaked7532]

here's the link if you wanna see it for yourself, but i love how step 1 is "Selecting your Pickle" , so good :P www.instructables.com/id/Etching-PCBs-With-Pickle-Juice/

[@anullhandle]

That gauge wasn't etched or at least that wasn't the only thing. The cutouts were machined, looks like green solder mask (you can get other non standard colors) then silk screened.

[@blaked7532]

@@anullhandle oh yeah, its not like the pickle jicie will maker the guage holes themselves, but it will be useful for marking the numbers for the sizings. i work in a school and i try to find safer ways to do tech/maker projects with the kids. pickle juice is safer then acids you would normally use for pcb etching.

[@nemesis851_]

I don’t get the point of have a Primus key but non primus cylinders. From the look of the primus key in video it doubles the cuts. Are there actual primus cylinders for sliding patio doors?

[@gravewalkerz7787]

Was that the voice of experience I heard when you were talking about not locking the pin kit.

[@DeviantOllam]

the voice of a witness

[@Isheian]

I’ve got to get into your classes. Locks are fun and physical security testing just seems like a dream job What have you got on nfc/rfid classes. Trying to figure out a ring to control a quick access gun safe.

[@DeviantOllam]

redteamalliance.com/RTCG.html ^ we have our Electronic Access Controls which covers all that

[@tbw357]

Could anyone tell me who got the honor of picking this beast?

[@P10NE3R1111]

Just picked up 3 of these deadbolts from Lowes for 35 a piece. Not bad at all.

[@krismDK]

dit you send this lock to any one? and if you dit who? i kinda want to see if the can pick it

[@thunderusnight]

"Transgender abortions" This had me rolling on the floor

[@syneardwin1990]

Video machine goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

[@justingauche6475]

Why does it seem that the only three or four you tubers I watch and find interesting, just happen to be roommates or drinking buddies

[@DeviantOllam]

good people knows good people

[@omegafighters]

Is there gcode for that gauge card? Seems like something that might be able to be 3d printed.

[@hateeternalmaver]

Wow! Have you seen the recent Linus Tech Tips video? They actually blurred out a bunch of keys someone held in his hand... They're a Tech company/ KZbin channel... And people in the comments are even praising it. I would ascribe (is that the word I'm thinking of?) most of that directly to you and your speeches. Anyway, I just find it amazing how much awareness "just" constant public talking can raise in people if you're doing it right. ;D

[@hateeternalmaver]

@@bosstowndynamics5488 ah okay, I see. Wasn't watching them back then. But even still, I think that issue was raised by Deviant as well back then...

[@hateeternalmaver]

@@bosstowndynamics5488 What I mean is in my mind he was the first to bring those things up and he sure was for me. Then thanks to his "spreading the news" it went so far around in the industry that nowadays even LTT (don't mean that in a bad way... just mainstream you know) are careful with that stuff. ;-)

[@HamiltonMechanical]

So, i've owned several cars that after many years, the key would come out once it was turned. Is it the pins that wear that allow the key to be removed, for example here, in the ignition on position? Just curious. Thank you for making these videos lately!

[@DeviantOllam]

it varies... many car locks are wafer-based, not pin-based. often it's a mix of the key wearing down and loose tolerances with the wafers.

[@Kryptomromine]

I have watched a couple of your videos, and I want to know what kind of screw driver is it your using it looks high quality

[@DeviantOllam]

i use Wera and Wiha screwdrivers. they appear in this video here... kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4DWenyVa9SCgrM

[@LongboatLtd2004]

What I use: -Craftsman Phillips size 2 screwdriver -Revlon nail file -Revlon tweezers -that cheap plastic follower -and LEGO bricks/plates

[@capkenway]

i wish I could learn at your classes but I live on the other side of the world and with a very weak passport.

[@Casket-Man]

What about re-pinning a primus based lock? Say to get two doors and a padlock to match?

[@DeviantOllam]

i did that to get the Mortice to match the American 3700 core =)

[@eapbg]

It looked like that the thin shaft of the anti-bump pin fell inside the spring as you were assembling the lock. Is that ok? Wouldn't that leave the spring below the shear line?

[@DeviantOllam]

yes, that's how it works... to accommodate such a thick and large spring and make the driver pin very low-mass. and it results in a kind of pseudo-serrated-pin effect.

[@Aidanite]

It looks a bit like this lock might be easy enough to use a core puller and rip that sucker out though..no?

[@davidparsons9167]

This is great.

[@DeviantOllam]

Thanks!

[@davidparsons9167]

I really appreciate the knowledge you've given out. I have collected a few keys bc of you. Feok1, h2389, ch751, DKS these have helped me in life as well as for fun. & I hope I never need a 1284x (waiting for the zombie apocalypse). I've noticed magnet door locks hooked up to movement sensors . Btw I'm a commercial exterminator and I've used a mollie several times (security door gates) thanks a ton.

[@DeviantOllam]

@@davidparsons9167 that sounds like awesome application of this kind of knowledge! :-)

[@User-cc6cq]

Thanks Dev...in the context of residential house breaks, presuming consumer grade locks, is bump resistance preferrable to over anti-pick?

[@DeviantOllam]

i would always want a residential lock to have some kind of bump mitigation, yeah

[@technosasquatchfilms]

The hardware store one is a zinc garbage cylinder.

[@DeviantOllam]

You mean the B60? Yeah... It's not nearly as tough.

[@ImGumbyDangit]

Have you ever dumped a full pro pinning kit?

[@DeviantOllam]

thank god no

[@jamesk5364]

Any recommendations on a brand of locks to upgrade my system with we currently have Medico on all the exterior doors and on all of the interior doors we have keymark by Medico.

[@DeviantOllam]

Medeco's KeyMark system is pretty good, I must say.

[@dae8864]

What bit screwdriver is it you are using?

[@arivera3483]

always great stuff, dev. question though, when replacing your deadbolts, are you doing anything with the knobs that may or may not have keys? handlesets are also hard to find not in a deadbolt kit, what do you do with those, since a lot of those make a 2nd hole in the door?

[@DeviantOllam]

i always replace all knobs with passage-mode lever handle sets. no lock at all. i don't like to present the option to lock just the insecure lever handle... with my doors, it's deadbolt or nothing. 100% locked or 100% unlocked.

[@soltkiote7785]

Hey Deviant, what are the 2 screwdrivers you used in this video? Thanks in advance.

[@iLLeag7e]

The meaner you are, the fewer locks you need... until you get too mean. Then you need all the locks. At least the Covid can't kill the whiskey, gentlemen

[@bryansmith6327]

Yes, the PNW is te best place in the world to live.

[@gunnargu]

But why use pin tumbler at all? I'd much rather use Abloys.

[@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS]

Without a very high quality and heavy duty door, hardware, etc an abloy is not only a waste of money...it's stupid. Not to mention that no ones picking your locks. They're busting windows, kicking or prying doors open, etc.

[@kimj2570]

@@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS Yeah, on here almost all doors have 1 or 2 Abloys. But remember key control. It is impossible for criminal to duplicate your key if you have Sento, Protec 2 etc. Only factory and couple major dealers have tools/blanks/training to make keys. And try without key card and the locksmith throws you out. When moving in you can check against the card that you are on possession of all keys. Ofcourse only newer cylinders. Classic keys are made by every shoemaker shop in 60 secs against old key. But we lock lawnmowers and haybarns with Classic locks. 😊

[@PilotPlater]

Can order bulk PCBs from china for pennies each, great idea!

[@butterfliesinspace]

Ker-chunk!

[@MikkoRantalainen]

That easy loader sure looks better than majority of all the followers there are. I mean, it's possible to use AA battery if you cannot afford anything better but it seems you should keep using the AA battery until you have saved enough money to get something like the easy loader and skip all the crap.

[@robert-rv8lo]

nice rfid ring

[@DeviantOllam]

i do not have an RFID ring

[@hateeternalmaver]

One more thing before I'll stop bothering you, check out bosnianbill on KZbin if you don't know him already. I really ate that up daily for a while after you introduced me to the art of lockpicking with some Lockpicking-Village thing.... ;)

[@DeviantOllam]

yeah, Bill's awesome. i was just emailing him the other day about give-away stuff =)

[@rickysnit2163]

Kerchunk

[@grahamelliott9506]

lmao @ 1:39

[@uiopuiop3472]

Strange how European locksmith stuff are so bad compared to US gear

[@WRWhizard]

I saw "I'll let myself in" on TryHackMe. I have learned SO much since then. Still sucking in knowledge. I really really like locks. I've had a key fetish since I was a toddler and the neighbor next door let me play with his massive key ring.