Nintendo Blamed For Ryujinx Takedown + Emulation Video Crackdown

[@theonik2006]

This is a classic SLAPP situation. There needs to be more penalties/protection for companies abusing the system to blackmail people to cease perfectly legitimate actions. First it was them abusing the copyright strike system in digital platforms now it's this. Unless there is consequences this will only keep escalating.

[@arga400]

Is not really a SLAPP, Nintendo ACTUALLY believes they are right and it is illegal, they are also attempting to overturn previous decisions. SLAPP is when you know the other party is right and you're wrong but using your financial position to damage them.

[@Oceanandskylinevidss]

From a bussniess stand point it makes sense to do this if their new system is backwards compat. But from a fan's stand point this is a big hit.

[@Crit-Chance]

7:14 Absolutely, this is what I've been saying since the beginning. Nintendo knew that the amazing progress Switch emulation had been making would greatly expedite the development of Switch 2 emulation.

[@kev1nno]

9:13 To back up Alex' point here, we're talking about *The Nintendo Switch.* Emulation of has been really good even during it's best years on the market, usually running the games even better than the hardware itself. AND the system has been jailbroken basically since before it released, since they used off-the-shelf parts for it... And yet Mario Kart 8 has still sold 60 million units. Animal Crossing has still sold 45 million units. Breath of the Wild and Smash Bros has still sold 30 million units, and the list goes on. If you ever needed proof of piracy not significantly affecting a company's bottom line, the Switch would be exhibit A

[@agherna80]

So this means Nintendo Switch 2 is approaching its release date. This means Nintendo is securing it's new system from being exploited on release by taking out of the picture the most capable people from creating any possible emulator.

[@Agent-mb1xx]

my PC is ready

[@THUGPUTIN]

Reason for going against emulators is simple, 1. Switch 2 will have same arm architecture and even though gpu will be ampere, with some tweeks, current emulators will play them... But only top end pc will be able to handle that ampere as nvidia still haven't launched a true successor to ampere architecture in pc space.. 2. With the leaks of it having 12gb ram/1024 gpu cores from switch 4gb ram/256 gpu cores, development of games will take time and they might heavily rely on backwards compatibility... Having $300 smartphones running switch games for free won't help Nintendo backwards marketing when console will be $400 or more..

[@Agent-mb1xx]

@@THUGPUTIN THEIR reasons, nuance they are not entitled to sales

[@richardchaney7295]

And so they can make the Switch 2 be the one and only Switch emulator.

[@daniebello]

if buying isn’t ownership, then piracy isn’t stealing

[@Toschez]

Taking something that doesn’t belong to you is stealing.

[@GatsuRage]

I wish ppl would rally and make a class act lawsuit against nintendo.

[@saintlugia]

This is what I hate about the emulation community. It's the self-righteousness

[@DanDaMaN95cov]

I only emulate or pirate once a console is discontinued. Like the 3ds. Nintendo isn't making then or selling 1st/3rd party games. Spending a inflated price for a copy of Star Fox 3D or A Link between worlds does not benefit Nintendo in the slightest, nor does downloading it off the H shop financially impact them in anyway.

[@theonik2006]

From Nintendo's perspective, the ideal situation is that you spend that money on a new Nintendo game instead. Now, they know they can't get away with blocking used games till digital only becomes the norm. The next best thing paradoxically then is games maintaining high prices. Nothing sells a $60 repackaged ROM better than the original game going for $100+. High second hand prices effectively allow Nintendo to just keep re-releasing the same games over and over. This is the same reason why Nintendo avoids discounting their games unless it's absolutely necessary since the days of Iwata even, what Nintendo wants is to condition their customers into thinking the cheapest way to play their games is paying full price day 1. Other makers like Sony are also following suit.

[@DanDaMaN95cov]

@@theonik2006 botw still being full price is a crime

[@25spot12]

if a game runs good on Switch, i will buy it. Otherwise, i will pirate and play it on an emulation

[@theonik2006]

@@DanDaMaN95cov Very much so but Iwata was quite clear when he pushed for that and I do think he was partially right. Knowing Nintendo games are only likely to cost me more waiting I've ended up just grabbing what I wanted from them when I could instead of just getting them later.

[@saintlugia]

@DanDaMaN95cov if the game wasn't worth it the used market wouldn't sell it for full price

[@Scarftail]

I'm going to say this again. Actually read the lawsuit Nintendo filed against Yuzu. Yes, they genuinely believe emulation is illegal and the other things Yuzu did were not the primary factors, just the cherry on top.

[@arga400]

Nintendo is 100% trying to get the previous decisions reversed

[@frisia3371]

Nintendo has been very carefull with their backlog of great games on their previous systems, I was expecting way more from Nintendo online

[@its_miscu]

Having recently looked into piracy circles this past year, Alex is right on about the "people who don't buy games *don't* buy games" point. There's a sizeable contingent of people in those communities who have completely spurned the idea of buying games at all, and if there's a game that is not capable of being pirated, they grouse about it and move on with zero intention to take the legal route there. In the days of wii/ds/psp where softmodding was easy enough for anyone to do, you would see a larger contingent of actual potential buyers going towards the piracy route to the point of noticeably eating into sales of games on those platforms. These days though, I think game piracy is once again primarily the domain of the shrewd diehards. Nintendo certainly isn't suffering in terms of game sales this generation.

[@hitmangfx7162]

I love this channel because of how serious they take gaming-related topics. It's like watching CNBC, but for gaming instead of stocks/finance.

[@ChrisShUK]

Nintendo will never have another penny of my money. I'm done

[@NostraSamus]

Good. They’re done without it. You sure showed them that protecting their IPs is wrong 🙄

[@ChrisShUK]

@@NostraSamus Yeaaahhhh!!😘

[@corgikun2579]

get lost

[@Agent-mb1xx]

Anti-emulation people are so cringe

[@Kingofconsoles54]

Gaybox fanqueers are even more cringe worthy. Imagine still thinking gaylo franchise will help gaybox be successful 😂😂😂. It has been 16 years since gaylo was popular 😂😂😂😂

[@kenziemac130]

​@@Kingofconsoles54 this........ has to be a joke post

[@corgikun2579]

Buy your games, and if you can't then you're not licensed to play them. Simple as that. People pro-current-system-emulation are so cringe and poor. If you wanna play your emulated games then go download a rom pack of older games and enjoy yourself endlessly If you wish to play current games then buy them and stop hurting the industry

[@danielyonspacini]

I buy them and emulated ​@@corgikun2579 I guess you are to poor to do this

[@CmoIsDaNam3i]

@@corgikun2579 An example of anti-emulation people being cringe, right here folks.

[@Demsnacks]

What would a channel like DF do if nintendo decided to randomly threaten the channel with copyright strikes, disgusting

[@donkeypong1847]

Sorry to tell you this but it turns out it wasn't nintendo doing this but an imposter pretending to be nintendo. Look it up.

[@Demsnacks]

KZbin needs a better systen fir copyright than "they said you did it"

[@MossySparks]

If the Switch 2 is backwards compatible Nintendo will need to release updates for any games they want to utilize the new hardware effectively... So basically the games would need a patch for resolution boost and 60 fps. My guess is without the need to hack 60fps using a mod these backward compatible games will run MUCH better on emulators with these new Switch 2 backward compatibility updates. Just a guess... There's also the slight possibility that Switch 2 games will boot and run day 1 without much work on the emulator. Although that's a long shot... Just trying to wrap my head around it because if Nintendo doesn't plan on charging a fee for the backward compatible upgrades(doubtful) then they wouldn't be losing any money if people decided to emulate.

[@Whit3WolfXArcadia]

And yet the many forks out there its like an endless game of wackem mole

[@BBWahoo]

Progress is much slower on those forks, though it takes time to fill in the shoes with something to incredibly complex. I hope we see emulation progress within a year

[@boshi9]

The forks are pointless without developers.

[@PikaDikaChu]

This all the fault of people running yuzu who were giving away totk roms early to patreon supporters. They gave Nintendo the chance to shut down yuzu, I don't like Nintendo shutting down all these emulators but people running yuzu gave them ammunition and Nintendo took that and ran with it.

[@BBWahoo]

Who did that? Jeeez that is moronic!

[@BBWahoo]

Source?

[@MashedStar]

Yuzu never gave away roms.

[@BBWahoo]

@@MashedStar They had a "stash" between devs but I don't recall it being part of their patreon

[@PikaDikaChu]

@@BBWahoo I believe it was going on in thier discord

[@antjones2281]

There will be another switch emulator when the switch is long dead, and then Nintendo won't care. If they did, why aren't they going after dolphin or N64 emulators . I think the problem is that these emulators were emulating active systems.

[@antjones2281]

Believe me, if there was a RPCS5 emulator for PS5 Sony would be doing the same thing. It would be Bleem all over again.

[@TechRyze]

I totally had to check that the video wasn't playing at 1.5 while Olie was talking on this one! How very time efficient of him! He's clearly a seasoned KZbinr!

[@paulc2007]

I haven’t tried Suyu yet but I have tried yuzu and ryujinx in the past, it seems as though as one closes another opens, and you can still get the last final builds of yuzu and ryujinx there just isn’t further updates

[@GareWorks]

We need more legal protections from this sort of stuff, for starters. Also, the Switch may be underpowered, but Nintendo still need to make sure current games run fine - it's unacceptable that new, first-party games such as Echoes of Wisdom have major performance issues. It would also help if we knew what the next system will do, at least - if I buy a new Switch game today, will the next system be able to run it at higher resolution and/or FPS without patches, or should I just buy it on PC instead? The lack of certainty with the future of modern game libraries (especially from Nintendo) is concerning.

[@Alacrity-reserved]

I see that Alex has his own definition of what legal is. I wonder if his definition changes after the court ruling.

[@ordohereticus3427]

2:00 - Onwards, Alex is just hitting home run after home run when it comes to taking principle stances and being frank about the reality that even p*racy--despite its flaws and potential for abuse--is vital to games preservation.

[@RemixedYoshi]

What it up with all these anti emulation people? You guys do know we need to preserve these ganes for future generations right? If you guys did research like a majority of people get the roms from there own consoles anyway. Thats like saying WE NEED DRM BECAUSE PEOPLE PIRATE GAMES its so few people that actually pirate then never buy the game. I think around 80% last I checked don't pirate.

[@saintlugia]

I don't care if you pirate but the thing I hate about the emulation community is the virtue signaling

[@LynxxLancer]

"majority of people get the roms from there own consoles anyway" Like how the fuck did TOTK get downloaded 1million times before release then? 🤣🤣 I know it's exaggerated but even with just 1000 downloads before release, that statement about majority will still be false.

[@gloryholdofficial]

I love emulation but when emulation is running alongside of current gen systems I don’t like it so much but after the system is discontinued it’s amazing

[@DrakonR]

That's BS and you know it. 👌

[@yvesrn]

Content based companies must demonstrate consistent efforts to protect their intellectual property rights (IP). The courts look at what a company has done to defend their IP. This informs decisions based on whether an IP remains protected or supposed copyrights violations will go unenforced. Disney has gone after people who had a Mickey Mouse tattoo as copyright violations. Nintendo is dependent on their IP to sustain their business. Sony and Microsoft however, don’t have as deep a bench of valuable IP and are much more reliant on 3rd party support. Nintendo has historically been less friendly to 3rd parties and therefore more reliant on their own IP (Mario,Zelda, Donkey Kong, Kirby) to generate revenue. This is what sets Nintendo apart from their obvious competitors. This also explains their aggressive posture towards emulation, piracy, and anything that may infringe on their copyrights.

[@madfinntech]

How does Nintendo have any legal basis to do this? Wasn't the emulation declared legal when Sony lost the case against the Bleem!?

[@DrakonR]

If I buy a game, I expect to be able to back it up and emulate. Congratulations Nintendo, you've convinced me to skip the "buying" portion.

[@Fuuntag]

I hate Nintendos behaviour, but I do need to mention something ; I have worked for companies that have literally suffered and had their intellectual property stolen from them because they did not pursue it in court to an extent that a judge electively determined they as a result of not protecting their IP forfeited certain aspects of it. And so while I disagree with most of Nintendo’s behaviour companies do need to litigate as a matter of obligation in regards to their IP to themselves and their shareholders. It’s actually illegal in some situations not to not to mention the previously, erm mentioned, loss of IP etc.

[@MrSamoDude]

Maybe the Switch 2 will be powerful enough to emulate Wii U games, and they’ll form part of their online subscription. Perhaps they’re trying to remove the competition if that’s incoming!

[@pokemigas6049]

As soon as Echoes of Wisdom leaked there, it was obvious it was going down. Nintendo seems to take down emulators that either 1) try to make money out of it (Citra) or 2) allow users to play their newest releases (this and Yuzu). They don't seem to touch emulators that don't fit these criteria (look at Dolphin, for example). I'm all for emulation as a means of conservation but I am not sure why people are mad at this case in particular.

[@alejandrotuazon4831]

Nintendo has gone after channels showing Cemu ie Retro Game Corps. No one is safe

[@coreymiskell410]

It's frustrating that it took me this long to find this comment. Yes, thank you. It seems that EoW leaked and was being emulated and played through Ryujinx a good two weeks before the game actually launched. (Screenshots have been posted on Twitter and the like). I genuinely don't know what people expected from Nintendo otherwise and I'm surprised and disappointed DF didn't point out that... pretty massive bit of detail. Look, I'm all for emulation inherently, especially game preservation but this isn't a simple "MEH NINTENDO BAD" moment again. I'm disappointed DF pretty much portrayed it that way... Especially from Alex who REALLY doesn't like Nintendo whatsoever lol

[@hipmp5]

Still dumb anyway, Switch can be modded and play those games before they even come out too.

[@x149te]

​@@hipmp5that's why they went after Modded Hardware too

[@NL0Gwenster]

Ryunjinx isn't the one that leaked Echoes of Wisdom though. they have nothing to do with that. Echoes literally is by the same third party Dev with the same engine they made and used for the links awakening remake. so if that already worked before on emulation, echoes worked too.

[@OK75]

Try to explain them Art can only be looked at in Museums for lets say 5 years and then IT gets Destroyed... No Pictures No Copy... Nothing... Just remove it from History because WE feel Like it does Take Up too much space and a new piece of art would generate more income.

[@flink1231]

They are probably avoiding switch 2 emulation early in the console life. Hopefully. Otherwise they may start going after every emulator author...

[@ralphengland8559]

I'm pro emulation. Anti piracy. But F Nintendo. They might be within their rights, but so am I in avoiding their products so long as they behave this way.

[@x149te]

I'm pro emulation and pro piracy. W Nintendo. They keep do fun things with lawsuits (Modded Hardware or Bowser guy for example)

[@GatsuRage]

TL;DR: Making a copy of content u don't own the IP of it is already piracy. So saying "anti piracy" when u emulating games is such cop.. u have to dump ur games in order to emulate them and dunno if u knew this but dumping games is against any basic/standard TOS. Owning the game doesn't give u the rights to dumping them, so just own to it and stop saying "I'm anti piracy, I hate piracy blah blah" because u totally fooling urself on that one. ps. I do admit that the term of "piracy" is very dated and should be erased/changed because I always said and always will say that "Sharing ain't piracy" but w/e I don't make the laws.

[@Agent-mb1xx]

piracy is necessary Nintendo is NOT entitled to sales I AM entitled to do whatever I want with my PC nuance Earn the sale, that's all

[@x149te]

@@Agent-mb1xx we can pirate everything is not protected by DRM. Sadly it's mostly indie games. At least something.

[@ralphengland8559]

@GatsuRage that's one definition of piracy. I can be for emulation of games I own the license to play, but against the distribution of that game to those who don't have it- legal definition of piracy be damned. I can be pro emulation of older games that no longer are supported by hardware, but be against the distribution of current games being sold. So, it's not a cop. It's nuance.

[@GatsuRage]

13:41 Nintendo clearly hates free advertise so yeah they've already make that point very clear and ppl should stop making vids about any nintendo's games no matter the context, just pretend nintendo doesn't f*cking exist might as well at this point.

[@ilVice]

Nintendo has long been against its community, bullying everyone. This is not ok, and Nintendo should be called out for this. Personally, I don't buy Nintendo games or systems anymore since the Switch era. I don't support corporate greed and malicious companies.

[@dan_perry]

Horrible company, just gonna sit back and watch them fade.

[@donkeypong1847]

Good luck with that.

[@Oceanandskylinevidss]

All their ip's have sales numbers that AAA dream of having rn Mario kart 8 is almost a 10 year old and still selling. I hate that they won't let emulation coexist I really do because its not hurting their sales at all. Its pretty fucked

[@str8poisintv131]

They market to kids it's probably not likely to fade in your lifetime or in your kids lifetime a fight with your wallet my guy

[@godz2928]

Goodluck with that Daniella

[@violent8931]

​@@Oceanandskylinevidss emulation on current system just asking for non- existant.. I'm pro emulation but in this situation, I'm on the fence.. once Switch 2 release, I will go all out

[@realfastkx]

I agree 💯 with Alex's take! Maybe also if Nintendo released games on hardware the less than 5 years old people would be less tempted to play these games on recent/more performant hardware.

[@saintlugia]

Graphics are reaching their plateau you won't be able to use it for much longer

[@Demsnacks]

Nintendo: i want you to pay more for a worse experience

[@Innocuils]

I have been a Nintendo fan since the 80's and the NES. Over the last several years, my fandom has been waning, to the point I refuse to give Nintendo any of my money. I would have bough the Alarmo day one, but f*** the big N anymore. Greedy bastards.

[@saintlugia]

This is what I hate about the emulation community it's this self-righteousness in these posts

[@HebrewGamer100]

Many people are getting this wrong..

[@xkiroxX]

Ive grown to absolutely hate Nintendo as a company. I feel zero sympathy now seeing people "permanently borrowing" their products. Also alex is correct. Piracy is the only way youre going to preserve these games. Nintendo doesnt care about game preservation

[@BBWahoo]

I want to see if their attitude changes once the switch hardware becomes outdated, but seeing their attitude towards dolphin I doubt it

[@boshi9]

If you hate them so much, why do you care to "preserve" their games?

[@corgikun2579]

Preserve the games by buying them. It's the number one option, you should be Googling "how to earn more" rather than "how to play Nintendo Switch games on my PC"

[@xkiroxX]

@@boshi9 You can hate a company but still enjoy the products they produce. Its not the suits that are making your games

[@Agent-mb1xx]

@@boshi9 someone has too, dimwit

[@returningwhisper]

If Nintendo feels confident doing this, what is to stop them from going after older console emulators?

[@007GoldenLion]

They dont enforce older ones as much sinxe they are nit getring money from it

[@saintlugia]

How many years has dolphin been around for?

[@Matthew_Murray]

Im sorry but people get too upset at Nintendo for basically protecting their own intellectual property, name a business would wouldn’t do that. Of course Nintendo is going after Switch emulations especially in case like Yuzu were they were literally having people pay to play TotK before it was even officially released People act like Nintendo is going after emulation with blanket discrimination, but you don’t hear Nintendo going after Wii GameCube and DS emulators at all because those aren’t actively being used to pirate currently released game.

[@bernardbautista6209]

I agree that the piracy is the only way to get the older games , BUT Ryuzu was the emulation used to play Legend of Zelda Echoes of Wisdon PRE-RELEASED, the users should have thought about it.

[@sumomaster5585]

Maybe Nintendo should release proper hardware then? their potato switch is atrocious

[@alexmikhylov]

emulator doesn't pirate games, people do.

[@coreymiskell410]

Yes oh my god thank you. Not enough people are getting this. It's baffling

[@GareWorks]

You could pirate the game with a hacked Switch and do the same. Should Nintendo shut down the Switch while they're at it? Go after the leakers or pirates, not the emulators. Also, Nintendo had a demo for Echoes of Wisdom available at PAX but not on the eShop. Being a rather unique Zelda game, there was no way to try it outside of PAX or piracy before buying it. The game is good but it would have helped highlight the performance issues, as well as helped people to decide whether they liked the new gameplay or not. Nintendo basically invited this on themselves.

[@anthonyrizzo9043]

I understand that this is stealing, but if nintendo would just release games on pc after a while, they would get way more sales, i dont want to steal the games, i would buy them, but i dont necessarily want to play them low res and low framerates. I understand they make money off their hardware, but margines cant be that big, that they cant later release on pc and make way more money.

[@MizzahTee]

This really changes nothing 😅

[@akashmondal9794]

Nintendo: We make games and we don't give a fuck about preservation. "Game preservationists": Well ackshually, I want to preserve your fucking games.

[@jsr734]

Nintendo: sorry dude, those are MY GAMES and only i can decide if i wil preserve them or not.

[@akashmondal9794]

@@jsr734 "Game preservationists": But NoNtoNdo, I MUST preserve your f**king games. And if you don't let me, you are a piece of sh*t.

[@akashmondal9794]

@@jsr734 "Game preservationists": But Nontondo, I MUST preserve your games. And if you don't let me, you are evil af.

[@diffusion-ai]

The Ryu takedown is shocking. My disdain for Nintendogs is growing.

[@gertytk5528]

I thought emulators were completely legal.

[@ratharos]

Nintendo is over. Will never purchase another game. I hope people continue development on the tor network

[@arga400]

It is incredibly naive to think a corporation will be cool and won't strike back if you emulate/pirate their CURRENT content. It is also crazy that people think that emulation and piracy of a CURRENT platform is morally superior; look I don't think you're bad if you emulate or pirate CURRENT content, but lets not pretend you're a hero or a victim here. Lets also not pretend that the purpose of Switch emulation is anything but piracy, nobody is ripping their own games nor are they getting rid of those rips the moment they sell their original copy.

[@DrakonR]

If buying isn't owning, then pirating isn't stealing. 👌

[@arga400]

@@DrakonR I didn't say it was stealing, I said it was piracy; is nice that you admit that emulation IS intended for piracy tho lol

[@DrakonR]

@@arga400 reading comprehension is a bit lacking. Must be a kid, simping for big daddy Nintendo. Lol. Embarrassing

[@DrakonR]

@@arga400 work on reading comprehension. 👌

[@jamesdavid2893]

You want to know how I got these scars....

[@AntonioCunningham]

You *cannot* argue game preservation on Current gen hardware. When we hear people say that, we hear "Nintendo should allow piracy to compete directly against them" People defending Yuzu and Ryujinx are *Harming* legitimate game preservation arguments.

[@cizzymac]

Yes, you can argue game preservation on current gen hardware. Example: Super Mario Bros. 35.

[@AntonioCunningham]

@@cizzymac Hard disagree. You're competing directly with the hardware maker. You're costing them money so It would be unethical for Nintendo or any company to standby and do nothing. When Nintendo abandoned the Switch for the Super Switch/Switch 2, Emulate all you want. But to do so on a current gen device proves the Anti Emulation people right. Those defending Switch emulation when it's still supported by Nintendo justify the Anti Emulator existence.

[@daviddelgado5553]

Not buying something does not make it so that Nintendo loses money. That's not how that works when someone downloads a Rom, nothing is stolen.

[@cizzymac]

@@AntonioCunningham You're moving the goalpost and not actually addressing my response. Typical. The fact remains that game preservation ALWAYS matters, because producers can take away games at any time for any reason, such as SMB 35.

[@AntonioCunningham]

@@cizzymac I'm not moving the goal posts, you just wont except that arguing for game preservation on the system that's currently being supported is unethical. You're justifying people stealing. Your justifying people anti Emulation position. If I was moving the goal posts, I would say something like "There is no justification for playing games that's not even been released yet. That's why Nintendo justly went out to these emulators." My point is the argument for game preservation on currant generation hardware means people were lying/ being dishonest when they made that argument for unsupported consoles (like the Wii U and 3DS) Emulating a current gen console is on his face unethical.

[@xxnike0629xx]

Emulation is definitely (unfortunately) the only way some games can be preserved. A lot of these popular games are not even given the remaster/port/remake treatment on a modern console. Sure Nintendo is technically right to sue these emulator companies. But they're making themselves look bad. Another problem is (as mentioned) the Switch is underpowered and games can't even run at locked 60 fps. I 100% agree that Nintendo needs to have good backwards compatibility with Switch 1 games.

[@2007polisci]

I knew immediately once they clipped this out of their DF Direct that the influx of people would overwhelming be against emulation as a concept.

[@RemixedYoshi]

It's funny because even nintendo of America thinks nintendo of Japan is crazy. You guys remember when smash bros brawl had a story mode? Well nintendo got upset because people posted it online then said the next game won't have a story mode because they don't want it to be spoiled online and then when nintendo Killing every video started hitting harder.

[@coreymiskell410]

The whole coverage of this story is pretty frustrating if I'm being honest. EoW leaked and was being emulated and played through Ryujinx a good two weeks before the game actually launched. (Screenshots have been posted on Twitter and the like). I genuinely don't know what people expected from Nintendo otherwise and I'm surprised and disappointed DF didn't point out that... pretty massive bit of detail. Look, I'm all for emulation inherently, especially game preservation but this isn't a simple "MEH NINTENDO BAD" moment again. I'm disappointed DF pretty much portrayed it that way... Especially from Alex who REALLY doesn't like Nintendo whatsoever lol

[@hitochiquito8952]

A principal?? Bro so can I rob a bank to pay my mortgage?? How bout the content on this channel?? Can I use it to further my own channel??

[@SurrealLeaf]

Nintendo going bankrupt because all those people emulating SNES games they refuse to sell.

[@LynxxLancer]

Try reuploading this video (for preservation of course) 🤣🤣

[@deathtrooper2048]

Who else is going to take down a Switch emulator??

[@CheckmateStallioN]

Meanwhile the Steam Deck can emulate Luigis Mansion 3 and just about every switch game at 1440p - 4K at a locked 60 fps. Since when is emulation even considered "illegal"? Nintendo can take one site down but cant take them all

[@jsr734]

If Nintendo gets away with this, then be assured they will continue with all kind of hardware based emulation or hardware that allows such emulators to work as already did with the Xbox.

[@MarloLaw]

Lol they sued palworld on the PS5 announcement day. I feel like since xbox doesnt have that big of an install base they don't really care. But playstation was what it took for them to pull the trigger

[@DrakonR]

Lot's of Soylent in the comments. Simping for Nintendo.

[@danfay6201]

If nintendo brings out capable hardware ill stop using emulators. Simple.

[@boshi9]

It is what it is. Don't like it - don't play.

[@daviddelgado5553]

​@@boshi9 Or he is dumping roms n playing them how he wants to, on better hardware. Blame Nintendo.

[@saintlugia]

That excuse is on a time limit graphics are hitting the plateau what happens when hardware power doesn't become an issue

[@x149te]

All because new emulators are too open. They have address, owner, company, patreon, etc

[@Jake76667]

if i didn't own a switch at this point, i would of been emulating it on my gaming laptop and my gaming pc right now because it would of been pointless for me to start investing in the switch ecosystem now when the next nintendo console is right around the corner

[@igoticecreamz]

To me, pirating Nintendo, EA and Ubisoft is the moral thing to do

[@saintlugia]

This is the thing I hate about the emulation community. It's this self-righteousness

[@DrakonR]

​@@saintlugiaUbisoft literally told its customers to get used to not owning their games. Is that righteous?

[@michaelcasiano9497]

@@DrakonR i can understand companies like ubishit telling their consumers to eat shit, but i dont remember nintendo telling their consumers to walk off a cliff.

[@skyazuldream]

I ditched all consoles and brought a chinese vivo android tablet with Dimensity 9300 processor and it emulates everything. Sure haven’t tried PS3 emulator yet but thats the future and android games are good priced compared to console and pc some games like Streets of Rage 4, Aces Squadron ..many nice games. I expect Sifu to make it to android…That’s the future. You don’t need a $1000 iPad. $400 tablet and $10 games and everything! Its amazing. Switch is already done for it does nothing productive. Probably I am a different bracket but right now I expect my device to provide entertainment and productivity at the same time and negates usage of windows or mac. Its perfect. Its still early days but its great. I recently started playing 3DO games on emulator and damn what an era!

[@bor3dstrang3r]

I get that piracy is bad and Nintendo doesn't like it as they wanna milk as much money as they can like any other company, I get it. However, when my OG PS3 died that can play ps2 physical games and my old original Xbox 360 died due to red ring many many years later after a company stops manufacturing these units to buy and stop selling physical media and then you have to go out and buy used units and media and hope you're getting lucky enough to trust someone that isn't lying to you that it works great......it doesn't matter if you buy a unit, it's a finite piece of hardware that doesn't last forever and then 10 years from now when you still have to buy from the used market and hope the unit works and also risk paying an outrageous prices as these units get more rare to buy as again they have been out of production for years. Same with physical media, they are not made anymore and have to find and pay a way higher price for them used years later than the MSRP they were originally at when they first launched. Not only that, your media that you currently have can be lost or damaged or you may have a house fire like I did a long time ago and lost my 64, GameCube, PSX and Dreamcast and all the games I had for them. So THAT is when emulation is needed as they will not produce these units and physical medias forever for you to buy once they stop manufacturing them. It's a damn if you do and damn if you don't. So honestly, fuck Nintendo. They don't have your back once they stop manufacturing the current Switch and physical media for it in a few years and you have a lost or damaged unit or cart or something happened to your home and everything is destroyed and it get rare to find anything on store shelves and have to paid ridiculous prices for used media and units to build your collection up. I do believe in preservation but Nintendo hasn't been that great at it, once a new gen starts that will eventually shut down the servers of the previous gen's and you can't even buy digital on those systems anymore or they will say your account can't be used from the last gen system to bring any of your purchased content over to the new system but we'll just sell it to you again. I hate that I can't bring any of my virtualware content over from my WiiU and 3DS......they outright discontinued it to use on the Switch......It's again, damned if you do and damned if you don't. You never know how shady Nintendo will get in the future on if they will support backwards compatibility or not. The Switch successor probably will but what about the unit after that?

[@saintlugia]

Your point is kinda lost because they were having access to games that weren't even released.

[@bor3dstrang3r]

@@saintlugia my point still stands because I did say I get why Nintendo does what it does because of piracy but also stated it doesn't help preservation when systems are discontinued where you can't get units to buy brand new anymore at a later time without paying an arm and leg for a used one from some stranger telling you there isn't anything wrong with it and trying to con you or something......so yeah....i did say it's a damn if you do and damned if you don't......nothing is ever perfect in this world.

[@saintlugia]

@@bor3dstrang3r my point was you're worrying about a problem that's years away. Worrying about the discontinuation of something years before it happens is ridiculous.

[@birdman4birdlegs]

No one hates Nintendo fans more than Nintendo.

[@saintlugia]

Pc fans hate us every time we bring up exclusives

[@cadizking8161]

​@@saintlugiawhy would they?

[@birdman4birdlegs]

@@cadizking8161 I think it's that argument that PC has no exclusives and that Nintendo arguably has the best exclusives. Just a guess though !

[@cadizking8161]

@@birdman4birdlegs But on PC you can also play all Nintendo exclusives, if you know what I mean.

[@birdman4birdlegs]

@@cadizking8161 Oh I know.. You "want to go to the" @Zoo later. We might see a dolphin. There's also a cow we might see moo. Then we can play street fighter and both pick ryu at the same time and jinx the whole game.

[@Pancicopong]

TAKE THIS NOTE : GAME PRESERVATION = OLD CONSOLE NOT IN CURRENT GEN 🆗 Just admit it you guys use emulation mainly for pirate not for graphic or fps. DONT U USE “PRESERVATION” WORD THAT BASICLY HARM EMULATION DEVELOPER

[@Agent-mb1xx]

@@Pancicopong stop assuming, take meds

[@ninele7]

Is there a transparent guideline when to start developing an emulator? I don't know of such. Developers saw the opportunity and started development. If Nintendo was afraid specifically of timeframe of emulator development, they could've stated about it clearly, but instead they required to shutdown both Yuzu and Citra (which is emulator for discontinued console). Yes emulators can be used for piracy, but there is lots of legitimate reasons to work on switch emulator right now. One of reasons, why Switch emulation is viable now is running games on Mac/Android that don't work otherwise. For example, emulating windows version of Witcher 3 on android is very inefficient because of x86->arm translation. In case of Skyline/Yuzu Switch code is compiled for ARM and can be ran natively on Android Phones with good performance. As we can see Skyline devs specifically switched to PC emulation for Android, so we can say that end goal was brining games to android, not pirating Switch games.

[@cizzymac]

Cool. Why did they shut down Citra, then?

[@Pancicopong]

? Citra still exist

[@Pancicopong]

Who care ? If u want favorite game come to android just push to the dev and publisher itself.

[@Darkuni]

Guys guys guys ... This is a CURRENT GEN console. This is the livelihood of Switch developers RIGHT NOW. You want to cry emulation = preservation? I call BS. Once again - a CURRENT GEN SYSTEM. Let's not forget - there is NO LEGAL WAY (in the USA - DMCA Section 12) to hack a Switch or dump a Switch game. Nintendo is 100% within their right, IMHO, to stop Switch emulation. Now, when Switch is no longer a current gen and acting as a revenue generator proper? No problem. Pirate all you want. Sorry ... PRESERVE all you want. There is no threat to Switch game preservation - people are pissed they can't steal Nintendo's games and avoid Nintendo consoles.

[@DrakonR]

The short bus crew.

[@Darkuni]

@@DrakonR what do you do for a living?

[@DrakonR]

@@Darkuni I professionally mock people who get off the short bus. 👍

[@Darkuni]

@@DrakonR That minimum wage or do you work off commission?

[@DrakonR]

@@Darkuni commission, I make a killing off these comment sections. Almost as reliable as Reddit.

[@Electro096]

Emulation is fine but emulating a modern day game what hasn't been released is the grey area, if ur not gonna buy the game and just emulate on a video u game u can buy today. That's wrong because at the end of the day ur not giving any money to that new game?

[@histerical90]

If they act this hostile towards all the emulators/modders I really hope their Switch 2 will be a flop and they'll get in Ubisofts boots.

[@BBWahoo]

I'd laugh so hard if the 2.4 million yuzu is forced to pay is going directly into GDKchan's (Ryu dev) pocket

[@boshi9]

Why do you believe gdkchan got paid? The best possible outcome for him is to walk away without obligations.

[@BBWahoo]

@@boshi9 That's interesting, gdkchan could indeed walk away and produce another emulator if need be, with a change/obfuscation to their identity. I like that plan, realistically though, something went on under the table.

[@theonik2006]

@@BBWahoo Presumably if you can be intimidated to cease and desist like that you are probably not in a position where you just come back doing the same thing a few months later. In the first instance starting from scratch isn't exactly easy All Nintendo likely needed to do in this case was basically tell GDKchan "look, we can spend 5 years and millions of dollars in court or you can stop" most people are not in a position to say no to that. Being in the right legally is largely irrelevant.

[@BBWahoo]

@@theonik2006 Correct, yet I wonder why gdkchan said nothing and left, did Nintendo break his fingers? 🤣

[@theonik2006]

@@BBWahoo It's the Nintendo Ninjas. Well not really, extending all this further, Nintendo could have basically told them they may pursue further legal action if they talked about it. This is basically what this kind of C&D/SLAPP is about.

[@r9delta104]

If people want to be anti-emulation, that's fine. These are the same type who justify always-online for single-player, buy season passes on predatory f2p shooters, support digital only taking away choice, and generally just stick to the newest and greatest AAA slop of the month after mentally discarding last month's. I'm old enough where the gaming industry can grind to a halt today and it's not going to bother me (needs a reset quite frankly anyway), as there's a near infinite amount of content already out there. So newer generations will get what they ask for, and frankly what they deserve.

[@saintlugia]

I hate the emulation community because of the virtue signaling and the self righteousness Oh and using the same three quotes

[@moe282]

As someone with over 1,000 physical switch titles I was fucking livid.

[@MasterMayhem78]

Only 1% of the people want to preserve the games, the other 99% only want free games. This is the sad truth of it.

[@random-chickenz]

Some people just want to back up their saves and games though. Also since I own my switch games, I’d rather play them in 4k 120 fps than 720p 30 fps.

[@skycloud4802]

The thing is even if you take that as being true (there's no actual figures on this), who's actually being hurt pirating a twenty or thirty year old system? Sure you could say that scalpers aren't benefiting, but screw those a holes anyway. Plus a lot of lost publishers have IPs completely thrown up in the air, which means nobody gets hurt. And then you have Nintendo charging people money for...emulating old NES and Gameboy games, which doesn't fund new games or creatively being made. Nintendo even has the gall to charge a subscription of it's users to...emulate Sega Mega Drive games! Nintendo is also charging fully money for GBA and GameCube half a'd remakes. Emulation has also added features to later genuinely released ports, like Age of Empires 2 (added unofficial expansion to DE) and Tomb Raider (Unfinished DLC I think?).

[@boshi9]

@@random-chickenz 120 fps that runs less smooth than the original hardware despite the "average" fps numbers.

[@boshi9]

@@skycloud4802 We're talking about a system you can purchase right now, not some legacy out of production thing from a long defunct company.

[@corgikun2579]

@@random-chickenz Nintendo, and every other game company, sells you a license to play a game with certain rules; like playing them in their licensed hardware. You're not entitled to anything else

[@Damien-ry1ko]

Pirating Nintendo games is never legal, nowadays always moral, and when it comes to NES/SNES/GB/GBC/GBA pretty much the only option for playing the games since there is no way to purchase the games on modern platforms 😅 You could of course say emulating current gen hardware is a different beast altogether but that does not invalidate the above

[@saintlugia]

All those systems are in a gray zone because nso offers those systems so you do have access to some of those libraries

[@Damien-ry1ko]

@@saintlugia disagreed, the library on nso is laughable compared to the full library of the systems, 0.5 percent of a system's library can hardly be called gray area 😅🤔

[@godz2928]

I don’t mind emulation but if the games are on their latest system and is still very active and is still on sale. That’s just not right. People who thinks otherwise are disgusting people

[@Chriscras2]

The solution is to shame the company and encourage people to stop buying their products until they apologize, restore the damage done and promise never to do it again.

[@jsr734]

You can encourage other people to stop buying thier products, but they coudn´t apologize for protecting their own products/business.

[@Oceanandskylinevidss]

The sad part is the general public doesnt care about things like this and will be ignore by the masses at large.

[@VideoGameConnection]

I'm only 5 minutes into this video, but it seems ya'll missed the point of Nintendo's attack. YOU DON'T EMULATE CURRENT HARDWARE! Only retro emulation is OK. Handing out free roms of Nintendo's current hardware is crossing a line. They have a number set in their head, a goal of how much money the Switch can still make for them in the next 5 years! Emulation Roms basically throw that money out the window! Bottom line, make a switch emulator in 10-12 years from now and I guarantee you Nintendo WON'T GIVE NO FCKS!

[@Szydelski]

You can emulate any system you want. Keep in mind that law precedent was set in PS1 times with Bleem! and VGS emulators of PS1. And yes, that was current console at the time.

[@LynxxLancer]

@@Szydelski PS1 times was before DMCA, Modern DRM, and Encryption though so these things are not tested in court. Nowadays, you need a private key to decrypt roms.

[@reelroyalevizion800]

That PC argument/justification gets thinner by the day.🤔interesting

[@corgikun2579]

"Game preservation" is the most selfish card to play for justifying current console emulation. You want to preserve your Switch games, then buy them! Besides, many of these emulator developers get hired by the companies to work on their software security, but they are not allowed to disclose it

[@CmoIsDaNam3i]

That's... not how that works. Like at all... See Microsoft with their discs. 🙄

[@boshi9]

@@CmoIsDaNam3i This isn't about Microsoft.

[@dmer-zy3rb]

Imagine thinking that buying physical media, let alone digital media is in any form preservation 🤡 piracy always was always will be the only form of preservation. Game company's couldn't give two shits.

[@CmoIsDaNam3i]

​@@boshi9 Hey, I guess you never heard of something called "examples". Its when you wanna show something that exists elsewhere to prove a point, that point being that buying a game from a company does not actually perverse them, and in fact you are much more likely to lose than going the legitimate route than pirate route because they can remove the game files from your library at anytime for effectively any reason. Where as with a pirated copy you own it so long as you take care of it. Not saying this should be so, because with Valve this is not the case. Even delisted games you bought before can still be redownloaded. And Microsoft is an example because they don't even provide the data on the freaking disc let alone still have all the downsides of digital and none of the upsides for digital where at least you have the raw files on your computer like you do with Steam. I know this because its literally happened to me. With a game called Transformers War For Cybertron. I am able to redownload at anytime plus because people have access to the raw files from the game they have made mods and ways to play the game online again. There was even an offline mod for its wave defense mode that could be accessed by just going through the single player mode. Again, you don't even know what the freak you are talking about. So much so you don't even know the simple idea of what an example is. Sit the fun down little kid. 😂

[@CmoIsDaNam3i]

@@boshi9 Hey, I guess you never heard of something called "examples". Its when you wanna show something that exists elsewhere to prove a point, that point being that buying a game from a company does not actually perverse them, and in fact you are much more likely to lose than going the legitimate route than pirate route because they can remove the game files from your library at anytime for effectively any reason. Where as with a pirated copy you own it so long as you take care of it. Not saying this should be so, because with Valve this is not the case. Even delisted games you bought before can still be redownloaded. And Microsoft is an example because they don't even provide the data on the freaking disc let alone still have all the downsides of digital and none of the upsides for digital where at least you have the raw files on your computer like you do with Steam. I know this because its literally happened to me. With a game called Transformers War For Cybertron. I am able to redownload at anytime plus because people have access to the raw files from the game they have made mods and ways to play the game online again. There was even an offline mod for its wave defense mode that could be accessed by just going through the single player mode. Again, you don't even know what the freak you are talking about. So much so you don't even know the simple idea of what an example is. Sit the fun down little kid. 😂

[@WheeledHamster]

Because I don't want to play games with a trash screen, framerates, and shitty resolution.

[@boshi9]

What is "trash screen"?

[@corgikun2579]

Then only play Play Station games or whatever you like. Remember, you're not entitled to do as you want and interpret licenses as you like or feel convenient

[@mikeuk666]

@@WheeledHamster attention seeking kids award

[@jurassictyrantkingYT]

*Nintendo:* who else is on top of our list to Sue & to and makes millions off of, oh yes, that's right Sony has "astrobot" which is pretty much copyright infringement on Mario and all our other titles well better prepare the lawsuit for PlayStation in the morning to shut down astrobot especially since it's mechanics are too similar to Mario and Kirby and all our other titles....😊 $$$$ *Sony:* No Please I can't afford a lawsuit otherwise the PlayStation 6 will be raised to $1200 per Console to pay you back....😢

[@TatankaTaylor]

The people that support emulating consoles that are not dead, but still for sale on the market, are cringe af.

[@boshi9]

​@@SinisterPuppy So play PC games then, what's the problem?

[@boshi9]

@@SinisterPuppy I don't understand why you bought Switch to begin with if you can only accept top line performance. It's not like they marketed it that way. I also think you're exaggerating quite a bit - I've never seen a 20 FPS game on Switch. Now, it's possible that a handful of such games exist among thousands of titles available on the platform, but that's certainly not typical by any stretch of imagination. 640x480 would be extremely unusual as well, there aren't many games below 720p (in fact most run at higher resolutions than that in the docked mode). Most games run quite well, perhaps outside of a few overly ambitious ports for the hardware (e.g. Witcher 3), but it doesn't really make sense to run such games in an emulator when you could simply play a native version for PC.

[@SinisterPuppy]

@@boshi9 I am exaggerating a bit, although hyrule warriors AoC dips down to 10fps; not sure the resolution. Xenoblade 3 bottoms out at 540p (equivalent to 480 in 16:9) and can't hold 30fps. I bought the switch because 7yrs ago it was a compelling platform. Plus I've had a Nintendo system since 1986... Between their recent legal run and everyone here defending them.. I'm done. They lost a customer of 30yrs. The message I'm getting from these YT comments are. Don't even support Nintendo unless you're willing to accept they're happy to give you a crummy experience. The way it's meant to be played ™ Last game I'll ever buy is Metroid Prime 4 unless it's only on Switch 2.

[@progressivemusic786]

Boring nintendo. Shity graphics games😊

[@justkevin09]

Well that’s just like your opinion man

[@southsidetherealest2860]

Too late I already downloaded it 😂

[@Toschez]

I would really worry if Nintendo starts to take down emulators for old systems like SNES9X or Dolphin. Otherwise there’s no need to panic.

[@arrjnetwork238]

Just make your own games. Stop using companies IP’s. It’s not your games what you people don’t get. It’s Nintendo’s IP. Even I know that. 🤦🏾

[@avifb]

Leave poor Nintendo alone!

[@DrakonR]

Nintendo is not going to sleep with you.

[@saintlugia]

I don't care if you pirate stuff, but the thing i hate about the emulation community is the self righteousness and the virtue signaling.

[@Electro096]

There should be a law where u can only emulate games when the console is out of its life span. That makes more sense to me then being a cheap ass and not just buying a switch if u wanana play a certain game. Having no money is just a excuse. No money then too bad u don't play.

[@DrakonR]

I own two switches, 40+ games, and I emulate. Get over yourself.

[@corgikun2579]

12:00 is not like those KZbin Channel specialize in making videos of systems designed to run emulators for pirated games and giving tutorials. Just saying

[@skycloud4802]

Emulation is not piracy.

[@boshi9]

@@skycloud4802 Even the developers of Yuzu played pirated ROMs as revealed by lawsuit documents.

[@YouTubeChannel-iq5to]

„I‘m not a person who buys chocolate bars. I just go to the store, rip them open and eat them. Oh no, why is nobody making chocolate bars anymore?!“ Your takes disgust me. Piracy is criminal and unethical. You CANT do as you PLEASE with someone else‘s work! Revolting, childlike opinions.

[@daviddelgado5553]

Shitass analogy. If someone downloads a rom Nintendo does not *lose* money, you are aware of that, right? Furthermore, people can also dump their own games.

[@AZBCDE]

They don’t make money either which is the whole point of being a business or that too hard for you to comprehend 🤡

[@daviddelgado5553]

@AZBCDE They're not getting money from people who wouldn't buy it anyways, so who cares?

[@AZBCDE]

@@daviddelgado5553 The game creators/ developers and shareholders thats who cares 🤡

[@LocoCocoPops]

Just buy a switch l. It’s much easier.

[@LazeeAnomalee]

Why?? With a decent PC running a Switch emulator and game mods I can get more FPS and stable frame rates at higher native resloutions than I can on the native console. The switch hardware offers an inferior experience than with emulation at least on my hardware which is why Nintendo is hellbent on shutting them down. Uninformed people against emulation or advocating for "just play on the Switch" are just cringe as hell.

[@corgikun2579]

Oh no, they love the thrill of spending 8 hours finding a rom, downloading it, figuring out how it will work following an online tutorial. On the other hand, other people would work for 8 hours, earn money and then buy their games and support their favorite game developers

[@donkeypong1847]

But why buy stuff from the evil company Nintendo when you can become a game preservation hero buy pirating their games for free?

[@LocoCocoPops]

@@LazeeAnomalee it’s just easier to get a switch.

[@LocoCocoPops]

@@corgikun2579 ha like all the time people who developed the thing, just for it to go in the bin. Like i say, just get a switch. It’s much easier

[@djtomoy]

why don't thjey just make everything free and we can live in a utopia where we can have everything we want without people coming and taking it away

[@s.h.5726]

There will never be a utopia as long as power and greed exist.

[@djtomoy]

@@s.h.5726 let’s just erase all money and install a system of governance that only rewards aptitude and talent

[@dmer-zy3rb]

​@@djtomoyyou say it ironically, but I'd be amazing. And honestly at some point in humanity it will probably pretty much be the case. When there isn't even any point in manual labor anymore.

[@s.h.5726]

@@djtomoy and those with disabilities? People do not have equal learning abilities or even access to equal education.

[@djtomoy]

@@dmer-zy3rb think about that carefully, maybe suffering and hardship are the canvas upon which the tiny paint drops of our happiness and pleasure may be expressed?

[@AZBCDE]

Childish opinions