First Major Switch 2 Hardware Leak: What Have We Learned?

[@WH250398]

Richard's pure joy in the thumbnail lol

[@DoukNoukum]

He looks like a 60 year old baby

[@GenkiStarLeaf]

When I'm older, I want to be just like Rich.

[@John_R_Jackson_III]

He’s a Sony shill

[@Cormano980]

Wifi butplug user for sure

[@kysierkevin]

Sinister smile

[@HeroOfLegend115]

I just hope that the joy-cons are better made. The drifting/connection issues with the originals is crazy. The fact that the joy con can just disconnect while connected to the system is wild to me. Also for any future pro controller, hopefully the d-pad is more precise. The one on the current controller is so prone to accidental diagonals that it's completely unusable for certain 2D games.

[@SussyBaka_irl]

Unfortunately nothing has been confirmed regarding the integration of hall-effect sensored joy sticks & an actual D-Pad, however the magnetic connection between the newer models of Joy-Con is huge. I say that because my left Joy-Con got stuck on the rail & I accidentally snapped it off the rail & broke it.💀

[@vivid8979]

For the Joycon diaconnecting problem of yours maybe it's because the railings are dirty? Happens to alot of Switches

[@HeroOfLegend115]

@@vivid8979 Yeah I cleaned them recently and it's gotten better. Still feel it could be more reliable, though.

[@dr.sivavignesh664]

The joycons are uncomfortable to use after a while. They should also make it easy to repair.

[@skycloud4802]

Another thing that winds me up is the lack of d-pad, and the flimseyness/lack of rigidity of the regular Switch. I hope there's no more bending in the hand.

[@marcels9658]

In Japan the OLED is being sold more than the Light version. For Example: between 9 - 15 september sales numbers: The OLED: 34.250 , Switch Lite 11.570 , normal Switch 4.754 Lifetime OLED (7.867.533), Lite (6.051.222), Normal ( 19.897.221) . So yeah, Japanese like it big as well. Don't forget a lot of people, both adults and kids are used to big devices like tablets/ipads, and they don't fit in your pocket either. (Neither did the switch) If it fits in your bag and is light weight, easy to handle, you've got a winner.

[@TheGameBench]

If the size is an issue, I'm sure they'll have a Switch 2 Lite, that will be size of the old Switch.

[@DavidAddis]

Agree, to me this looks like just the "XL" sku for a Switch 2.

[@notesscrotes4360]

The normal Switch and Switch Lite are both too big! We need to go back to smaller handhelds.

[@ChristopherMoon31415]

Nah, still pretty small. An XL Switch 2 would be nice.

[@TheGameBench]

@@notesscrotes4360 If that's too big, you should probably just play games on a phone.

[@xcrack6364]

@@notesscrotes4360 no, we definitely don’t. To do more, they need to be larger. People need to stop fearing things larger than their hands. I have smallish hands and this appears to be about perfect sized for what it MAY actually be in the end.

[@cyrus8886]

400 at launch A 300 lite model Then a couple years later they'll do a 450 oled with 512 gb

[@danielespinoza6569]

Agree on point 1 & 3 but don’t you think a Lite will be a middle life launch most probably?

[@cyrus8886]

@@danielespinoza6569 oh I know I meant it as in a couple year after the lite It's a 1 to 1 repetition of this gen

[@danielespinoza6569]

@@cyrus8886 Yes! Then 100% agree with you. Cheers.

[@coolertuep]

400$ for a 8nm SOC would be ridiculous. Next months releasing Meta Quest 3s has a 4nm SOC and almost 4k 120hz screen at 299$. This would be a huge rip off from nintendo

[@fillerbunnyninjashark271]

It'll be be 5-600 for the hardware.

[@danesmith4227]

Only thing that gets me excited is the day they launch a switch 2.0 patch for Botw and Totk to boost visuals

[@colemin2]

Maybe pokemon Scarlet will finally run at 30 fps 😂

[@dolphin666dead]

​@@colemin2 Not a Pokemon fan, but I feel your collective pain bro. We all wish our existing Switch games get a boost in performance, or at least a stable frame rate.

[@GG-zv9ku]

Frame rates*

[@nickmotsarsky4382]

Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal with Switch 2 patches would be amazing.

[@zbigniew2628]

For better visuals just use an emulator...

[@Pocapontas]

I want the "aim-function" of the Wii back. I loved shooting with the wiimote in Metroid prime, zelda etc... I also want to be able to use both joycons as guns with the Wii-aming function. That would be a fun FPS-game or horror game!

[@MrCarpediem6]

I'm pretty sure the JoyCons still have that functionality know? To use it as Wii motes?

[@Boots43096]

that would be a cool way to seperate it from sony and microsoft consoles too, just being able to induldge in that gimmick again

[@krallakrulla971]

@@MrCarpediem6very janky if you don’t got a proper sensor

[@TumTuned]

I just REALLY hope that analog triggers make a come-back... the lack of actual triggers is my biggest gripe with the controller(s) on the Switch, and makes it so that most racing games are basically unplayable (ones that don't lean towards arcade physics, anyhow). The Gamecube controller had analog triggers that pushed straight down, and they were still decent, so I hope the Switch 2 Joycons can somehow have a similar design (even if the have less travel).

[@maxpain45678]

making racing games unplayable. :(

[@mickeycoolmouse]

As much as I want this too, the 3D renders looks as though they do not include analogue triggers. Huge bummer

[@lemming77gode]

For me it’s the missing D-Pad. It makes most fighting games and many retro-games unplayable.

[@BatCorkill]

Looks like it has analog triggers that you are squeezing outward with your middle fingers

[@GetterRay]

The digital triggers are why I prefer the Switch Pro over every other controller for everything but driving. Having squishy analogue triggers sucks for any action game that requires any real timing like Devil May Cry.

[@SideQuestStories]

I strongly expect that they'll want to repeat the shock factor of "It can run Skyrim?!" with a high profile home console game. Perhaps Final Fantasy XVI or Star Wars: Outlaws.

[@x2f0181]

Totally random. Nintendo just a few weeks ago released a charging station for the joy-cons. I think this makes things make more sense since there's no way to charge the original joy-cons on the new setup if this is in fact accurate.

[@ComradeChyrk]

They do have the joycon grip that charges the joycons that has been out since the switch launched.

[@Mothringer]

@@ComradeChyrkThe charging grip came out later, the launch grip didn’t have charging functionality.

[@Michael-ns3lj]

I don't know if it's just me but nintendo games have amazing sound effects would personally love a massive upgrade to the audio on the system

[@zemi2750]

It's basically trying to mimic what I like to call: the golden ratio: a Y700 Lenovo Legion 2023/24, and a telescopic controller for the perfect no compromise sweet spot in all of handheld eco. If the leaks are true, it means someone at Nintendo is doing their homework right, cuz I stop buying handhelds after Y700, you just don't need anything else after that.

[@emmettturner9452]

Bigger joycons means potentially bigger joycon batteries. Perhaps they will contribute to runtime when attached in portable mode?

[@teo_ww]

Would be a neat choice for a PC handled, but I don't see it as a feasible user experience from Nintendo's point of view.

[@Atropos148]

Well...if they actually use electromagnets then there is a high chance the Joycon battery will be powering those. Which means a part of the bigger battery not used for normal runtime. I would bet the battery life ends up being the same

[@emmettturner9452]

Here’s hoping they will be switchable magnets where the only electromagnet is the actuator. LockPickingLawyer has demonstrated switchable magnets before.

[@Occopuyo]

I'm not sure I agree with John's assessment that the cartridges will need to be faster, as long as they install first to local storage like PS5 (and Xbox?) do currently. So as long as we have sufficient cartridge and SDD storage size I'd think we should be good to go.

[@TheWeinerWarrior]

The problem with going that route is they'll end up in the same boat as Xbox/PS 8th-gen onward, where physical media is nothing more than a glorified installer and physical license key, rather than containing any actual game data read at runtime. Sure, if the physical game medium is a limitation that local storage can overcome, then it makes sense to just install everything to the device's storage, but then you'll just have companies printing their Switch 2 games on the smallest cart sizes available and making you download the entire game to local storage instead. We already saw this with a few 3rd party Switch releases, and that'll only get worse if Switch 2 carts aren't viably fast enough to run modern games off of without just dumping the files to your internal storage. I'd really rather see Nintendo keep physical media relevant by upping the cart/reader specs to modern game requirements than let them fall to the same sad fate as the other modern consoles, where physical media provides no benefit to the end user outside of resale value and sentimentality.

[@TheWeinerWarrior]

Should also note that the current given specs for the Switch 2 show a pretty paltry 256 GB flash storage(?) module along with a microSD slot, the latter of which would be slower than even Switch 1 carts, and the former being pretty pitiful in size if they expect you to fully install every given game to it. Not to mention, install sizes aren't going to be nearly as generous as the Switch 1's, where texture and audio quality could take quite a beating without the presentation being too offensive in most cases. They're not gonna be able to get away with that nearly as much on a generational successor.

[@Occopuyo]

@@TheWeinerWarrior oof. Good points all around. I guess I’ve just got to hope those flash storage specs are incorrect. I really wouldn’t think they would raise the cart reader speed and leave digitally downloaded games to suffer on slow storage. The cheapest(?) and most uniform option would be to have blazing fast storage speed and install the carts. I’m a physical media enthusiast but I’m not sure I see Nintendo prioritizing it much more than the other two manufacturers are

[@tgrujic1965]

The size is okay until you see the right joy-con thumb stick placement. I foresee a lot of carpal tunnel issues on that side.

[@jonathanwilson7949]

My guess for the port at the top is it’s just a way for Nintendo to scratch their Blue Ocean itch but just like the IR sensor at the bottom of the right joy con or the 3D on the 3DS it’ll be largely forgotten as the system goes on. I still except the Switch 2 to be more Switch. Nintendo just doesn’t want to sell a console without at least a little bit of a selling point. We’ll see though.

[@Atropos148]

I except the price in Europe will be at least 450 Euro, and i am willing to pay that, but unsure how many people will. Not sure if it makes sense for someone to go from Switch Lite all the way to Switch 2

[@currywurst2434]

Is that even necessary? Some of those Switch light players probably didn't have a normal Switch too. And probably they will sell all consoles they can produce in the first year for 430 Euro easily (or 450, but Switch was like 339 at launch). If they have interesting games. If they bring Xenoblade anything i will even buy it for 500. Some will jump in early, others will wait until price comes down a bit or wait for Switch Lite 2.

[@theakiwar9118]

@@currywurst2434yeah I think lite players will wait for switch lite 2s

[@darkroast9907]

I haven't thought of the DS "Third Pillar" stuff since the mid-2000s lol

[@marioleal8751]

of course alex drinks with his pinkey sticking out

[@JWBR84]

So I am curious why nobody is talking about the "Nintendo Attach" name that was floated around in surveys earlier in the year, the patent document that details a peripheral powered by USB C, and the fact that in this leak the system appears to have a 2nd USB C port on the top of the system to ATTACH potential peripherals...? Maybe I am crazy.

[@MikalEdmunds]

I was wondering the same thing! Maybe we’re both crazy then, I dunno, but I’m glad it’s not just me. I thought for sure that rumor would resurface after all this

[@fillerbunnyninjashark271]

Maybe this one will actually be a hybrid and the top port is for an egpu... Otherwise it's still not a hybrid

[@D2Kprime]

@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 Wouldn't it make more sense or be more ergonomic to have an eGPU built into the dock itself though? Then again, maybe somewhere down the line instead of making a mid-gen refresh they give us an eGPU? It might be too confusing to do all of that right off the bat. Maybe that is what the top USB port is for? I think most likely it is just a port used by developers since these imagine are based on a prototype anyway.

[@Rah84eem]

​@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 I'm thinking the same. The dock will have its own hardware to boost the power.

[@JC012732]

Nintendo Forecast has a fantastic recent video going over the Nintendo’s history of peripherals and how a Switch 2 might aggressively support different accessories

[@DaReapa]

The magnets are in the console with a metal bar/mechanism in the controller there will likely be a clack vs a click and the added button is what will disengage the magnets fron the console by moving the mechanism in controller away from the magnets.

[@BlazeHedgehog]

I feel like Nintendo is very shrewd on pricing these things and they rarely if ever take losses on hardware. One of the only times they ever took a loss on hardware was the Wii U and Iwata docked his own pay to make up for it. The Switch is clearly a response to the Wii U, but I don't know if Nintendo would price themselves right back into another Wii U again. I could possibly see $349. It's a tough call.

[@marvin8559]

Just make it powerful enough to run ps4 games well and give us huge xenoblade games with great resolution and frame rate PLEASE

[@coolertuep]

That would essentially just a steam deck

[@arglebargle5531]

​@@coolertuepwell no, the Steam Deck doesnt have Xenoblade

[@riansillett2771]

It'll be around ps4pro series s power. Just from the more modern chipset used. Ps4 is ancient now.

[@Cheesehead302]

It actually seems like it could be achieving near PS4 pro/ Series S power (granted, from what I understand how close that number actually hits we won't really know till people tear it down probably), but nonetheless, it seems to be positioned decently above PS4. But that's before we bring in the use of DLSS upscaling, which is kind of crazy. Also to note, it has more ram that Series S. So yeah I'm excited to see what Nintendo can do with the games on this, Switch had a ton of games that looked shockingly incredible, it's just even the most impressive titles usually had some pretty rough variable resolution, especially later on it seemed. This seemingly solves that problem and then some.

[@sebastiansingh5167]

It will be as good or better as a steamdeck based on tech it's using. I'm literally playing uncharted 4 right now on the deck it's great ..

[@aeris2001]

Steam deck is way too big for me to use comfortably, so Nintendo need to not mess up the handheld ergonomics here

[@lupolinar]

Steam deck is not just big, but bulky.

[@pyrokamileon]

Nintendo has no problem making changes up until the 11th hour. just before the GameCube officially released the b button was a lima bean just like the x and y but when the official system came out it was a small red round button..

[@wiiownsps3and360]

Honestly the theory’s about the top port seem like a stretch. It’s literally to maintain full usb functionality for table top mode. Not just charging. External controller support being another big one. And that’s nothing to sneeze at. It doesn’t need to be this earth shattering thing it’s just a usb port. 😂

[@pneuma7183]

So an entire extra USB-C port on the top JUST to charge and use wired controllers in table top mode? That sounds more like a stretch, honestly. I highly doubt they’d design their entire console around having a second USB-C port just for those two things, especially considering most controllers are wireless these days.

[@MoonThuli]

Nintendo like to play about with their hardware to use it in creative ways so I wouldn't be surprised if they end up selling peripherals that make use of it, but I agree the main motivation is probably charging the console in tabletop mode without one of those finicky stand accessories.

[@dilaisy_loone2846]

There is a leak of a patent that they’ve recently filed of a square something that doesn’t have a battery but connects trough type c cable, so who knows

[@Jenaxu]

Y'all don't see the vision, it's so we can stick a little ir sensor bar on the top and use our wiimotes again

[@wiiownsps3and360]

@@Jenaxu I truly wish. That’d be dope. Don’t break my heart like this. 😭

[@silverfox__12]

Don't rely on Nintendo's past decisions for this gen... this is the first console since leadership has changed

[@Atropos148]

You know what that makes sense. I vaguely remember one video where Arlo explained his theory that the most Nintendo thing is to do the unexpected decision. And having the Switch 2 as a very powerful console is unexpected. Bring on the Power Switch!

[@Cheesehead302]

This is the one thing that's pretty significant imo. The current leadership seems to be more content with trying to give people what they're saying they want rather than something THEY think people want. Just the knowledge that it seems to be a simple case of "the Switch, but more powerful and with some small design improvements" is telling. I think if anything with Switch they've learned that a really key part to maintaining success is making sure the platform is as easy for other people to develop for as possible, so I could definitely see them going for the 4 nanometer chip here.

[@erikalvarez4516]

I hope they'd make a wireless and magnetic charger on the back, that way we can slap on an Anker portable charger and they can focus on performance instead of battery conservation

[@Jimmylikehalo]

That would actually be a nice addition

[@lupolinar]

That'll take up a lot of space and I don't see a good use for it. If I charge my phone, it is the place to be charged and I can check if neccessary. I either play my switch or have in the dock and If I charge it while playing, it is in my hands.

[@fillerbunnyninjashark271]

People forget the original switch had around 3 hours of battery. Pretty shit

[@erikalvarez4516]

@@lupolinar not necessarily, there's little packs for iPhones that are about the size of a deck of playing cards. It could sit in the middle of the back free from obstruction.

[@lupolinar]

@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 People forget, that the Steam Deck not even achives 3h when gaming low baller titles. Or the Ally with it's 1,5-2h in normal games.

[@quintessences]

This will definitively be the most high stakes announcement and product launch for Nintendo. I remember the Wii U days and Nintendo needs to not repeat the naming scheme fiasco. I think whatever price they put on the successor will land a whole lot better than PS5 Pro.

[@ConsistentlyAwkward]

I think the fact that this uses lddr5x almost confirms that this is a due shrink to either 7nm or 5nm samsung because it would be really hard to run those speeds on a memory controller designed for lpddr5 speeds

[@IronKeroro]

something I noted is that it looks like its screen first or butterfly dissassembly. Which can make repairs harder for novices and just kind of a pain in general.

[@djtomoy]

I had a major leak first thing this morning and a then a nice big info dump after my first coffee once i'd got to the office lovely stuff 👌👌

[@greggski3710]

Bruh 💀

[@JukainPwnsSurvives]

Corny…

[@AB_223]

A simple mind

[@hypno18s]

😂😂😂😂

[@HyouVizer]

why would anybody Like this 😭

[@Skasua]

You’d hope it has a mighty battery. That’s literally the most important thing atm for any portable device. The device doesn’t need to be super tiny, throw a chunky big battery in it.

[@DarknessInferno15]

Actually, the size of it is a bigger issue than you'd think for many. Especially the Japanese market, it's a huge deal in their eyes.

[@russelllapua4904]

It might have been, but now the most important thing is the APU. If it's 5nm then even the current battery will last much longer.

[@legendp2011]

20,000 mah power banks are dirt cheap. so I wouldn't say battery is the most important thing

[@Tailslol]

For the ones who still wonder what was exactly the power of the tegra X1 of the switch. The CPU was around the same power of the raspberry pi 4 at max speed. But the GPU was pretty much a gtx750. So yea there is room for improvement.

[@coolertuep]

@@russelllapua4904it really should be 4nm. 4nm is no longer state of the art and meta managed to use a 4nm SD XR2Gen2 in next months releasing quest 3s at 299$ with an almost 4k 120hz screen. Everything below 4nm in a 2025 device just isn’t acceptable

[@d18p]

Richard's happy face catches my attention 🤣

[@Jeremy-WC]

I cant remember who but leaks from NVIDIA said they had the switch 2 done 2 years ago, Now that is just the APU but this means you don't even need tsmc to manufacture it let alone 4nm. The only disappointing thing is the ram to me as 16gb would give more room for ray tracing and bigger textures etc and allow ports from the ps5 to crossover with less work. We are probably talking around $6 to go to 16gb and the power draw would be minimal. Besides that excited to see what Nintendo brings with the power uplift.

[@currywurst2434]

Ram is probably no problem, Nvidia is relatively efficient with ram and its not a PS5, in the absolute best case that thing has a 4teraflops gpu if clocked very high, probably more like 3 tflops. Also it has modern data compression as a hardware feature and uses DLSS, so probably lower internal resolution. It will have a bit more ram than Series S for games. Also its hasn't very high RT capabilities anyway. In AAA 3rd party games you probably won't see much RT as most of the power will go into performance etc. Yes, the most exciting thing is to see what Nintendo does with modern PS4 - Series S power hardware with DLSS and some RT capabilities. Can't wait to see what Zelda, Mario teams and Monolithsoft and Retro do with that jump, its a generational jump for them. And the Pokemon Team can bruteforce everything to get acceptable performance lol.

[@MrHamof]

It wouldn't surprise me if there ends up being a "lite" version with a smaller screen and overall size if it ends up being an issue.

[@karolis.burzinskas]

I remember when I got DSi. Console was amazing - small, light, with good battery life, and with a lot of interesting games that can be played only on that console. I loved it. Phoenix Wright series, Shin Megami Tensei and Etrian Odyssey series, Professor Layton series and huge amount of other games. System was underpowered, and developers has to comeup with something creative and they did. Switch 2 looks almost the same size as my laptop... It's crazy...

[@currywurst2434]

For many modern games a bigger screen is just better. BotW etc. on a very small screen aren't the same, even if better resolution would help. People and devs want modern architecture and more power today and exclusives get rarer and rarer, its the same for Sony too, i mean we now get even Yakuza on Switch and Falcom themselves develops at least timeexclusive games like Trails in the Sky Remake, those where Sony Fanboys. We lost SMT as a exclusive, but we still got it timeexclusive and we get Persona too. In the end we have more big 3rd party games, just not exclusive. Sony did get Final Fantasy, but thats only time exclusive too.... We got lots of timeexclusive Stuff on Switch like Octopath. With a hybrid you have to kinda please both kinds of players, Handheld fans like TV gamers. You can just wait until they release a light version though that is handheld only and smaller. Nintendo themselves will probably not develop different games for 2 consoles anymore. I play my Switch 90% on the TV and of course i would prefer a stronger homeconsole and a seperate handheld, but i'm glad i still can play those games on a TV and Nintendo didn't abandon that entirely. Its a compromise. Perhaps one day Nintendo will make 2 consoles again, but then both would probably still get the same games.

[@danieldavis8607]

I heard that the Switch 2 is going to be 4 Teraflops and have 12 gigs RAM. And still only run at 7-10 watts.

[@Messy_Marv]

Two Things.. First I would love to see a 4nm chip but I would be completely content with a 8nm. This still allows faster better performance and power efficiency. Second.. Out of all the console makers, Nintendo is not as willing to take a profit loss. Idk if I would spend $449 - $500 for a Switch.

[@tatorsalad150]

Great video guys! I wish the "switch 2" would have a wireless, non-contact type charger. They are pretty common in phones now a day. Keep the usb-c ports for devices but wireless changing would be great.

[@Mene0]

I hope it's significantly stronger. Of course its still a handheld, but they can make it more powerful

[@fillerbunnyninjashark271]

For the low price of 600-700

[@ZackSNetwork]

It’s impossible for it not to be. It’s using a custom modern mobile SOC from 2020 the latest. The Switch SOC is from 2014. This will be a bigger leap than PS4 to PS5 for Nintendo fans graphically and power wise.

[@notesscrotes4360]

@@ZackSNetwork Yeah, they're going from PS3 to PS4 raster-wise. Maybe even PS4 Pro. And that's not even counting stuff like DLSS or RT.

[@willwunsche6940]

​@@notesscrotes4360 I doubt PS4 Pro performance but DLSS and light Nvidia RT will undoubtably be a big benefit. Switch is a lot more powerful than a PS3 or Xbox 360 but the size of the leap is a fair comparison

[@Cheesehead302]

@@ZackSNetwork Judging from what we know from those Nvidia leaks, I really do think they might be in a really fantastic position here. When you consider that there are barely any current gen console titles that aren't also releasing on last generation hardware, I think it could be reasonable to assume that third party ports are in a better situation than like PS4 ---> to og Switch. Combine that with the potential DLSS capabilities and I think this will be a decently stacked machine. Now I'm not super knowledgeable on this stuff, but it seems like this will be the case. Idk, I'm just ready to see some games running on it, considering some of the stuff pulled off on Switch this will probably feel like having the chains removed after 8 years of Switch dev.

[@Jimmy074x4]

I’m still believe we could get 2 systems at launch. A 500$ 8in and a 300$ 6in “lite”

[@someguy4096]

Do you think there might be 2 versions? One xl one regular and this the xl?

[@sargentordb507]

I sure hope they call it the Super Nintendo Switch

[@Tailslol]

For the ones who still wonder what was exactly the power of the tegra X1 of the switch. The CPU was around the same power of the raspberry pi 4 at max speed. But the GPU was pretty much a gtx750.

[@coolertuep]

Gtx 750 is about twice as strong as the tegra x1 GPU at full clockspeed (1.111 vs 512 Gfops in FP32, double as much shader etc.). Switch downclocked the tegra X1 even further. Still decent performance considering the low wattage for the time (750 runs at 55W). A 750 is a lot closer to an xbox one.

[@Bigdaddymittens]

Where tf do u get this information lmfao. 😂. Literally false

[@Tailslol]

@@coolertuep yea i mixed a few results and it was based on the one on shield tv. the 750 is at half power but for the cpu it is still right

[@Mr.Atari2600]

Crazy enough, the switch GPU barely beats the Xbox 360 GPU. With having slightly more shaders, DirectX 12, & 4gb DDR4. The Xbox 360 GPU still runs a higher clock speed though.

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

⁠@@Mr.Atari2600 Yea the Switch’s hardware is laughable. I don’t care what anyone says.

[@Jimmy074x4]

I think they may make u install games on the ssd even from cartridges, I just hope it’s better than 64gb

[@kieran.grant_]

Not going to happen

[@mohmoh-jd1fg]

If upgrading from switch lcd to oled cost +50$ than it is normal that new switch 2 cost 400 with lcd screen maybe there is another version of switch 2 oled costs 450$

[@Liatin1]

7nm sounds likely, anything denser is too much and i already expect the switch to be $399

[@russelllapua4904]

I'd love for the new cards to be a different colour so we can tell right away. Like they're Blue or Gold or something.

[@Atropos148]

They probably cant be White, that would change color over time. Maybe Yellow?

[@mannybananny2259]

I love digital foundry, but I gotta say, that thumbnail had me losing it hahahahahah

[@Bajso84]

I never play on the go, but the Switch is still my console of choice, because its convenient. I can drop it into a backpack and move it between docks, or use it casually while watching tv. The larger joycons with magnetic click-on looks interesting. Hoping for a higher grade gyro inside.

[@spawnkiller9779]

Would be interesting of they did a nintendo tv with the left over switch pcb and let the boards run closer to their normal spec.

[@fturatti]

At this point, I just would love to see playstation and xbox launching something like ps4 and XOne portable. It would be great for the library.

[@OneTwoMark]

That’d be interesting. Every new gen of consoles also have a portable version of last gen.

[@fturatti]

@@OneTwoMark tbf, it would be already, 2 gens older, like a ps6 with a ps4portable

[@fillerbunnyninjashark271]

Rog Ally is pretty much a portable Xbox. They worked with Xbox designing it

[@notesscrotes4360]

Competition in the handheld space would be nice, but I don't think there's any real space for it right now. Sony learned a pretty obvious lesson last gen that people simply weren't into non-Nintendo handhelds, at least not unless they offered something wildly different than just "another console".

[@fturatti]

@@notesscrotes4360 but that's why I'm speaking about a literal ps4/xone, with all the library already there. For me it would be very nice.

[@sabatory]

Samsung announced new much faster micro sd cards about a year ago, launching very soon. They will probably use these.

[@damientech88]

I know it'll never happen but a Shield 2 would be more interesting to me (Original Shield used same CPU/GPU as Switch)

[@moxbroker]

Top port so you can charge while using it standing up without a third party accessory. Currently if you use the built-in stand you can't charge the unit.

[@Lwitkowski]

Gen 1 switch had pretty poor battery life in handheld. V2 fixed a lot in that department

[@Howitchewstofeel5gum]

I mean, historically, it has always been the other way round: Sony and MS heavily subsidize their consoles at launch, while Nintendo sells them at a profit from the get-go

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

Sony just woke up to the value they hold, look at the ps5 pro price...

[@befayedocrimes4751]

Bigger is fine for me, my hands cramp up and fall asleep so bad on the original Switch without some kind of extended grip 😅

[@funtimefilms660]

What are the chances the 12GB RAM are actually just for the dev model and we'll end up with 8 or even 6 GB of RAM instead?

[@Oceanandskylinevidss]

Shhhh you'll might manifest it.

[@msf7699]

1%

[@pothitoskourtis]

dev model probably got 16

[@MorrisseyMuse]

Can't wait for it! :) But, Steam Deck is heralded as the best thing ever by DF, but when Switch 2 increases in size (yet still smaller than Deck!), it's a negative?! lol

[@holy-g2334]

The Deck LCD is way more powerful than the Switch OLED and starts at the same price. Nintendo could knock $50 off of all the Switches except Lite, and release the 2 at $350-400.

[@pyrokamileon]

for years and years I always preferred the smaller system if for no other reason so The screen could look better with an equal resolution but smaller screen.. but I guess I'm getting old now because I don't mind the bigger screen as much 🤷🏽

[@chrismueller1328]

I wouldn't say the keyword is price. I would say it's more about access. I'm an over-the-road Truck Driver. Sure I can afford a super computer but that's not going to work as comfortably for me when I'm sitting at the dock for hours on end. I have an Xbox for time off. Phones are too shallow and desk tops are too involved for me personally. I need that sweet spot in the middle. Nintendo is aiming for mainstream. This is where we'll get more games quicker dev times less bugs. It's way on the cutting edge that's risky more buggy less games rushed launches. This chip will be a good example of this. If you took all the data points and put it all on a coordinance graph, I bet all points would align- I guess what I'm saying is I think Nintendo 's taking a more broad approach rather than a more niche like PSPro kind of approach.

[@chrismueller1328]

You know, these are games. Playing games with technology. This is what's so fun. I think a lot of people in the industry forget that. I understand this, we can get so lost in the meta, we forget what it was all about to begin with and we can drop the ball. Maybe Nintendo will save the video game industry once again, or preserve it. The little Japanese toy company out of the 1800's. Very amazing story. Reminds us that videogames are more than computers and DVD players. They're fun. I left videogames for years before the Switch. When the Switch came out... When I turn on my Switch, I get that feeling like when I was a kid looking at the bright colorful lights of the dark arcade. Nintendo put the arcade back in videogames for me. Good stuff.

[@DanKaschel]

I'm surprised the steam deck isn't a more appealing option, unless it's just the annoyance of being more tethered during long sessions.

[@foilhat]

The phrase "Chinese KZbinrs" hits like "US bilibilillers".

[@koreyf]

I want a dock only version. I just want my Nintendo games on the TV. I'll take the savings of no battery and no screen.

[@azzy2001]

They should go with only physical releases and make the cartridges as big as possible with zero updates or DLC on first party games. I would love that. Day 1 buy.

[@BusterDarcy]

They will continue to sell the switch for casuals and the like, and the switch 2 will be in the $400+ range for the hardcore Nintendo fans who have played their current switch and game library out and are craving the next big thing. After a few years they’ll retire the switch, drop the switch 2 price and release an oled for that same $400+.

[@BigMates13]

Nintendo hire this man

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

Or what if the switch 2 never comes out and we just have the regular switch forever and ever...

[@Melsharpe95]

Sort out the joycon drift. There's really no excuse now.

[@lupolinar]

Dualshock drift was not fixed. They just don't care.

[@Goldmight]

Allegedly Nintendo patent hall effect-esque joystick for their switch last year. Chances are that's for switch 2.

[@Goldmight]

Nintendo must have really gotten a good deal with Nvidia. Considering that nintendo is somehow still their only console manufacturer, and competing AMD consoles and handhelds.

[@SanDan3rdDan]

I hope Xenoblade Chronicles X is a launch title.

[@currywurst2434]

I do hope too. If they remade it for Switch Pro that would be fantastic.

[@QuantumChrist]

Available for current switch in 2025

[@DeVstatrOmga]

Petition to call it the *Nintendo CHONKERS*

[@thomasschmidt7649]

A bigger switch 2 flagship means they can ship a smaller nerfed switch 2.5 later. Two price points, two sizes.

[@RandomGamingMoments925]

Never had a Nintendo and I'm looking forward to this. Maybe even Day one if they release an Oled model out of the gate.

[@Scarftail]

I'm honestly not a fan of the belief that "most people just want a more powerful Switch". The DS, 3DS, and Wii were all highly successful consoles that did new things, and guess what, most people appreciated and enjoyed those new things. Also, I think there's a 0% chance any Switch follow-up would be THAT BIG. ...Why...? At that point, literally just use a less powerful processor or smaller screen so that it actually stays handheld lmfao.

[@maj-solidsnake1808]

Yes but we grew up

[@rampantmjolnir]

As long as they can hit a $399 price point and run current-gen games at 1080p, I’m sold. $499 with OLED and 2x storage should be offered at launch as well.

[@maravreloaded]

Nah not at launch, 2 years after release I'd say.

[@MrTingle-qi2ne]

I'd be happier with a larger Switch, and the option later of a mini un-dockable version.

[@TheFightingGame_Network]

I can theory talk all day about this. I am far from expert, just a guy that has had everything from 7800 to ps5. Yes, I’m old,phew that’s out of the way. Now let’s go apples to apples here DLSS 2 support and FSR3. Current systems have FSR not 3 so Nintendo actually has an advantage here….right? Are we looking at a Nintendo with muscles? I’m trying to process this and would like the professionals to explain. Thanks for the great content

[@DanKaschel]

FSR3 is already being used in some console titles and will likely be pretty widespread by the time the switch 2 is released

[@gnoclaude7945]

It's all the same dude. Fsr, dlss, snapdragon upscaling, xess.

[@DanKaschel]

@@gnoclaude7945 it really, really isn't

[@Goldmight]

I really hope the ZR and ZL has analogue triggers again. The base switch is really missing out with it particularly with racing games.

[@NicolasSilvaVasault]

the lack of triggers really really bothers me, a lot, and is probably the main reason i'm not getting one, hopefully steam deck 2 comes out at the same period

[@marcosmos7478]

Valve said the Steam Deck 2 will come out the earliest in 2026, so another 2 or 3 years from now

[@NicolasSilvaVasault]

@@marcosmos7478 to be fair, i can wait, considering how poor the specs of the switch are gonna be, an emulator will likely be available not too late

[@mRibbons]

Steam Deck og and OLED are about as performant and efficient as any device could be at the price Nintendo is likely targeting. Better ergos and UI are my next top wishes after performance.

[@PamonhasDePiracicaba]

If it can render Tifa and her latest games I’m already satisfied.

[@DanKaschel]

Good luck playing rebirth on switch 2 😂

[@QuantumChrist]

And yet , FF games flopped in pa5

[@DanKaschel]

@@QuantumChrist sorry are we talking about the same FF games that have sold a combined 10M units, and the most recent one hasn't even hit PC yet? Interesting definition you have for "flop".

[@CaptainTitforce]

​@@DanKaschelwhich FF games? We are talking about the PS5 exclusive FF games. Which until a few weeks ago were FF7 Rebirth and FF16 which both underperformed.

[@joecamps1119]

If it is a magnetic connector I would love an adapter so I can use my current joycons as spares.

[@ChiplockRock]

I'm worried about the battery life and the heat dissipation. IT´s way too slim to handle AAA titles, and I don't want yet another device with an hour and a half battery use

[@currywurst2434]

Then pray with me it will be 6nm or 4nm. 8nm makes no sense for that big 1500 cuda core chip with 8 core cpu, 8 inch screen, 12 gb Ram and a small battery (a bit bigger than Switch battery). Imo they can't clock it low enough to not be really shitty in handheldmode if the console doesn't get much more than 7 watts. Funny rumour from "Moores Law is dead", he says the whole console will only consume like 5 watts, which makes zero sense with this chip on 8nm. (Honestly it makes no sense even on 4nm).

[@kleytman]

The history of nintendo consoles designs it whats makes me think the design will be very different, but due to the success of the switch..........

[@Madchimpz]

The one console that looked pretty similar to its predecessor was the Wii U and Wii. But remember even console revisions can look extremely different despite being the same console. Remember the Wii mini? It looked like a red dreamcast.

[@autumnalgloom5360]

I can see the Switch 2 being sold at a loss in Japan, but nowhere else.

[@nobody2021]

I really hope the screen is 1440p or around that resolution. That size of screen but only 1080p I think is not going to look super great

[@mikestockdale808]

The elephant in the room is that T239 on 8nm would consume at least 8 watts even with clock speeds in the basement, putting total system power draw over 10 watts. Do you really believe Nintendo is going to release Switch 2 with less than two hours of battery life? Nintendo isn't cheeping out on the ram, internal storage or screen, but they obviously are on the SOC? 7nm(6N) is possible. If your going to stick with the assumption of 8nm, you need to explain how they are achieving far better power consumption than they ever have on any 8nm chip in existence? Also, stop saying 4N is a high end node, its Nvidias customized 5nm, and 5nm is currently used for SOC's in budget smart phones.

[@elyasshussain5988]

They always cheap out on hardware what you in about

[@Shankovich]

Nintendo’s done crazier things don’t put it past them

[@colemin2]

​@@elyasshussain5988While Microsoft is putting a pathetic 10 gigabytes of ram in their Series S, Nintendo's tablet is apparently going to launch with 12. There is a chance they aren't doing the bare minimum this time.

[@lackofcheese344]

@@elyasshussain5988 they literally aren't this time. 12gm LPDDR5X is not cheaping out.

[@alexanderflores-MazterDestiny]

@@colemin2 that or nvidia gave them the offer of a lifetime to promote the inclusion of the dlss hardware to the masses specially if they want to move to other markets like mobile, as they already have mentioned

[@kontro113dkhaoz2]

I think they dont have a choice but go 4nm, but for cooling more than anything, to separate itself from the others

[@Nu_Merick]

Im just curious what the new big feature/gimmick they have planned to showcase. Usually theyve been doing that since the wii and DS started. More power and different joycons is a plus either way

[@antsinhispants8185]

No wii-u ports

[@kierenbuckley370]

watch Nintendo down clock "Switch 2" like crazy

[@TimvanHelsdingen]

Hope it doesn’t weight too much. Switch was a little heavy and hurts my hands

[@DoukNoukum]

Weaksauce

[@STuD0S]

Go to the gym

[@bobhilton3623]

Got to go to the gym bro

[@Mr.Chimpazee]

Do push-up 50 time per day.

[@TimvanHelsdingen]

@@STuD0S I go to the gym 3-4 times a week and have done for the past 12 years…. Which is in part what caused my tendonitis in my wrist and thumb which is why I hope the switch isn’t too heavy. So stop being an ass to people online that you know nothing about. I used to deadlift 200kg RAW

[@SIPESSB]

For bigger display and assuming its 1080p i think while charging you can get docked graphics in portable mode. And when you use battery it downclocks.

[@bjarkisteinnpetursson9736]

Sometimes I take the Switch with me to work. If it were any larger than it is, I wouldn’t bother. That’s why I don’t take the SteamDeck to work.

[@Peace1dy]

Everything you said makes sense. Unfortunately a lot of people on fami have convinced themselves otherwise.

[@pryan609]

I feel like I'm the only one that wants a mini console with a cartridge slot to play the Switch 1 and 2 games on my TV. I only care about playing at home, so if I could get a cheaper version with no screen and doesn't rely on a battery, then I'd be thrilled.

[@brinta2868]

Exactly! I predicted a tv-only Switch back in 2017, and I'm surprised Nintendo never made one. For many people it could be a much better option than a regular Switch. No battery, no screen, no dock, and an included Pro Controller instead of Joycons. The console wouldn't be that much cheaper, but not having to buy a Pro Controller separately would save an extra 60 euros. I honestly can't play with the Joycons, they're terribly uncomfortable. I'm also surprised that Nintendo never made Joycons that were basically a Pro Controller split in half.

[@willwunsche6940]

​​​​​​​​@@brinta2868 I was always curious about that, I wonder if it's just low demand. Nintendo released the usage stats several years ago for the OG Switch. 30% players use it almost exclusively handheld, 50% of players use it mixed handheld and docked, 20% of players almost always play docked. Meaning less than 20% of Switch players would even be considering a stripped down tier that is nonportable and without a battery in the first place. They would need to integrate joycon charging rails on it if they went for it but I think the idea would be interesting even if it is not for me. Some games need the joycons over the pro controller for multiplayer modes I think it'd be necessary they wouldn't be willing sacrifice it and have a Switch console that can't charge Joycons

[@brinta2868]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@willwunsche6940 "They wouldn't (...) have a Switch console that can't charge Joycons." Well, they made the Switch Lite.

[@brinta2868]

@@willwunsche6940 And already in 2017 there was the official "charger grip". All you need then is a usb-c cable (which you would have dangling from your console already to charge the Pro Controller) and then you can charge the Joycons through the charger grip.

[@willwunsche6940]

​​​@@brinta2868 Fair points! I wonder where my comment disappeared to? I didn't delete it 😂 KZbin still says it is posted

[@EJH_1138]

Interesting. I wouldn't have believed that silly R4 L4 situation, but 8bitdo just released a new controller with the R4 L4. The size is whack though.

[@AzumiRM]

Why don't companies put hall effect sensors in their analogue sticks instead of whatever they use now.

[@fillerbunnyninjashark271]

Because that's not how contracts work

[@AzumiRM]

@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 oh. I didn't know they would be bound to a contract for the analogue stick sensors. What a shame

[@RohanSlazar]

Planned obsolescence

[@willwunsche6940]

I think Sega had hall effect joysticks in one of their really old consoles. I could've sworn I heard a Valve engineer explained why they weren't on the Steam Deck but I can't find information online. Hall Effect sensors being really well known is more of a thing that happened this console generation with joycon drift defects being especially bad. Tons of third party controllers are hall effect now or at least claim to be. I somewhat doubt the Switch 2 will have hall effect but I bet they will take more subtle approach to try to reduce/resolve drift being as prevalent as on the joycons

[@PloopChute]

Because controllers and other peripherals are massively profitable. Considering drift is the reason most people replace a controller, they have all the reason to not use hall sensors. Why sell a person one controller if you can sell them several? These companies have one goal: to get as much money as they possibly can from you. That doesn't happen by making stuff last longer.

[@dbeardsley0]

As long as it can smoothly play Arkham Knight and the new Rocksteady Batman game currently being pitched or what not, I'll be happy.

[@coolertuep]

The next batman arkham game will be on quest 3 next month (which also seems to be quite significantly more powerful than the switch 2 considering its using a 4nm SOC and Switch 2 using an rather outdated 7-8nm node according to leaks).

[@dbeardsley0]

@@coolertuep VR does not count

[@coolertuep]

@@dbeardsley0 the best way of gaming doesnt count? Thats like saying in 1996 mario64 wouldnt count because its 3D and previous games were 2D.

[@dbeardsley0]

@@coolertuep It's not tho. I'd rather play 3rd person batman with a controller in my hand vs a helmet on my head. VR games 95% of the time just plain suck. Not to mention the new VR batman game is the one no one was asking for

[@coolertuep]

@@dbeardsley0 nonsense dude, millions of people cant wait to finally become batman instead of just remote control him. New technology is something nice but you can keep playing pong forver I guess, your choice lol

[@michaelkitchin9665]

It's one thing to take a hit on hardware cost but everyone's having trouble moving people over to the newer consoles. Is Nintendo going to be immune to that?