DIALED S2-EP4: Can Brake Lever Position Cure Arm Pump? | Quick Tip with Jordi Cortes | FOX

[@trippprice8875]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the french lever position has to do with an additional ball?

[@kubagajda7347]

True. Taking this from another perspective - if it works for you, chances are that the thrid ball is there to be found xD

[@HannyDart]

haha nice barelli reference :D

[@micaelpereira953]

Yoann Bareli is so funny!!

[@pasaricabrucelee]

Ballshit

[@galetteS06]

Bro I m 2 days late ahah, i laughing my ass out rn 🤣 made my day

[@alex098186]

Do a handlebar setup tutorial that involves height and bar roll

[@dkgray828]

YES, please! I can't find any decent explanation what bar roll does, how it affects your posture and how to set it up properly.

[@nmelol]

@@dkgray828 handlebar rise should be in line with your fork, this is base principle a lot of raiders use.

[@thermonuculur]

+1 for a brake lever & bar roll setup segment. I find that rolling the bars too far back slows down steering, and too far forward quickens it but to a point that also includes hand numbness, maybe because the ends of the bar point upward as backsweep turns upward. A deeper dive by the Pro's would be awesome. Keep up the great work guys! Really enjoy these videos.

[@SeanKWhite-lk5zf]

My mechanic recently made this change during a service. I was not happy he messed with my cockpit. He recommended I try it. I had my levers down for decades. It felt weird af at first. I have struggled for year with arm fatigue on long chunky descents. This simple change completely fixed it for me. After being pissed at my mech I dropped off a sixer and thanked him profusely.

[@donchristie420]

Sean K. White I always drop off a 11’r- drink one, then drop off😬

[@mattydarbs8720]

Definitely need Jordi to do a 3 year old brain capacity low and high speed explanation and identifying the effect you’ll notice on the trail particularly in relation to fox 36’s and DPX2 👍🏻

[@tonyskirrow1634]

How about bar rotation to go with the lever position.

[@48dj3ikd]

The "sweep" or "bend" should be swept towards your quads. It gives you the most control.

[@collinalbert]

These are amazing. Really hope this continues after this phase...

[@nicoloweiss6529]

this is like a master in biking. thanks guys. Professor Jordie is super.

[@masondekeyrel6539]

Would be cool to see a video on how chain growth and pedal kickback can effect the suspensions function. Awesome videos.

[@Lylisuvanto]

Dude, your van is soo clean!

[@JakeFrew]

Thanks Ludvig!!

[@briantustison9478]

I will add that I think a lot of people overlook the distance from the lever to the grip. I like to leave just enough lever over the grip that I can rest my index finger on the hook of the lever. That way when I pull the lever close to the grip it doesn't interfere with my other fingers. I think a lot of people could be running their lever closer to the bars to help with pump but haven't pushed their levers in enough.

[@shawnpowell2733]

I was going to make that suggestion.

[@Aljonone1]

If you keep cutting your knuckles your levers are to close to your grips!

[@harryballs95]

I came from motocross/enduro to MTB enduro/downhill. In motocross, the majority tend to run their levers flat. This is all I've known, so I set my MTB cockpit up the same way. Good to have some reassurance from Jordi that I'm doing something right LOL

[@ZIggyRIbetto]

Totally agree, and flattening break levers has additionally helped me get my eyes up, however dropping the elbows to accommodate flat levers has its draws too. I find my body weight wandering off the back of the bike. This is especially bad going into fast corners where I need traction up front. Would you say that an issue like this could be resolved by increasing pressure or volume spacers in the rear shock to keep weight centered on the bike? How do you explain the ride style of someone like Aaron Gwin? His aggressive style with high elbows has allowed him to be incredibly precise.

[@kyle618]

i have the same problem with you. sometimes i do think i stay too far back and i need to soften my fork to have a good balance or like what u said... get volume spacers for the rear so its stiffens up to put a little more weight up front

[@kleinkurti]

Everything is about compromises. There are tons of ways to change this. Lower the levers a little bit, put more air or a token in the rear shock, put less air or less compression in your fork, get a shorter stem, lower the cockpit by removing spacers etc. etc.

[@justsayin3600]

@@kleinkurti 🤯

[@nicoofner85]

Have you got any tips on bar roll?

[@natescarola4576]

Brake setup including adjustments on the levers and calipers to go along with lever position!

[@justsayin3600]

What do you mean? I'm a newbie but would really like to learn more.

[@natescarola4576]

Bo Lawrence adjustments such as bite point and lever reach. Some people like their levers to be close to the bars and have the brakes engage with a light tap while others like a longer distance between pulling the levers and the brakes grabbing. I’d like to learn how to properly adjust these and what a good setup is!

[@olivercook4277]

how different would a setup be for clips vs flats?

[@jbs3691]

Good suggestion. This would be a great topic!

[@ardor4247]

With flats we tend to want to get behind the pedal axle more so we can weight our feet adequately in high impact situations. That means we, in theory, can run our levers higher because of where our weight distribution favours a bit more rearward than when clipped in.

[@paullehrbmx]

@@ardor4247 flat place you foot further forward compared to clips, but you consciously weight properly (heels down) to maintain a lower center of gravity.

[@jimg.4913]

Good vid. A thought on raising the levers to drop the elbow position. In order for this to work properly the rider will have to improve their low back, glutes, and hamstring flexibility so that when they drop their elbows they are achieving the position via flexion at the lumbar spine not flexion in the thoracic (mid back) spine - if this is not the case their weight will be transferred too far rearward on the bike. Further - if riders utilize a raised brake position without an appropriate level of flexibility to drop their elbows they will endanger the extensor retinaculum of the wrist (the strap that holds your tendons in place). LSS: it's a good idea but you might want to work your way up to it instead of just rolling your levers to flat.

[@mountainlessbiking3268]

This is definitely my favorite MTB series on KZbin. I’ve always struggled with setting up my suspension compression vs air pressure. When do you increase LSC/HSC vs running less sag? Thanks

[@kleinkurti]

Don't ride less SAG if you are not using your full travel. Compression will not change the amount of travel that you use on certain features, air does. Get your SAG/airpressure dialed first (without any compression) and after that, start to use compression to get less suspension dive or to get a better feedback from the ground. Lsc is for cornering, pushing and other smooth or slow motions. Hsc is for hard hits like drops etc. But both are kinda connected and influence each other.

[@_kowono]

I enjoyed watching Kaos bike starter setup. I'm building up a new bike in quarantine, and it would be good to get a starting point when you can't test, so when I do get out I can ride it and then make subtle changes. Always enjoy Dialed and it works in our household as my wife loves Jordi. Ha.

[@flavioflavioflavio]

Seat height in downhill bikes: the lower the better? Is there a hotspot for DH seat height?

[@GarryFPV]

Flavio Tsutsui as long as it’s not between your knees and it doesn’t hit your ass you’re fine

[@sandertakkenberg1197]

I read somewhere it's 5-10 inches below optimal pedal height adjusting to the steepness of the jump lips

[@hobmarg]

Depends if you are racing or not. If you are just riding lift access park and jumping you probably want it a bit lower. Racing you need to still be able to put power to the cranks when seated for certain situations. Also some people like to help steer the bike by pushing against the saddle with their inner thigh.

[@Aljonone1]

Yes low is good, but not too low that tyre buzzes the seat is best!

[@binkzera2777]

Usually the saddle height is limited by how high the rear wheel is, when the suspension is fully compressed. Some riders just want it as low as possible, some will run it high enough that they can sit down and pedal, and some will run the saddle high, so they can squeeze it with their legs/knees, when they do no handers.

[@airclyde2]

Absolutely what I needed today! Thank you for the awesome content. Going to dial in my bike now. Love you guys!

[@menuoption]

PREACH!

[@erickilczer1245]

Dang, guess I better try it.. Years of off road motorcycle racing has put me in weird habits. One thing I did to get rid of arm pump on my MX bike was double my grips. One throttle tube grip on top of both L&R. I have long fingers, grips are all the same and they’re all too small. Helped a buddy of mine too. Arm pump was no more..

[@vikingo4877]

Just call Eliot up and you have a new fun video right there. Also now with the new Giant! Thanks again boys. See ya

[@FOXFACTORY]

Definitely hoping to do that! Great call! Thank you! 🤘

[@BasqueEnduro]

putting the levels up and braking close to the handlebar (thanks to Joe Barnes) helped me a lot in the past with hand pain and arm pump

[@nicholasbookless2601]

Would be awesome to have something about setting up front and rear ( mainly rear ) suspension for the heavy guys. When getting up around the 300psi mark it’s hard to get things set up well, it’s either set up to make sure you don’t bottom out a lot and the shock is firm as hell or it’s soft and you bottom out on moderate hits

[@janeblogs324]

We can dream

[@bp_mtb4014]

Nice vids. I think one on bar roll. Including the benefits of different rises. And therefore spacers under the stem and how that changes the reach values. Nice one guys, keep it up. 👍

[@cehvau_mtb]

V2 Madonna + fresh 36 and x2 all black. So sick 😎

[@rigid29er]

Totally make sense. Thanks for the tip! Can you talk about stem length and a handlebar height? Also seat angle? Why down hill bikes and BMX are pointing up, and others leveled.

[@MaplePanda04]

I believe for seat angle, DH and BMX have their saddles tilted upwards because it is oriented in an easier position to grab between the thighs that way. Other bikes have the saddles level because they need to pedal while seated.

[@Loosebirnieee]

@@MaplePanda04 unless your doing no handers, there is absolutly no reason to be pinching the seat on a dh bike.. Its more to do with it not getting in the way when your doing drops and such! Pinching with your thighs is a mx thing, in dh your better opening your legs up

[@MaplePanda04]

LooseBirniee I don’t ride DH personally so I don’t have any experience with it. However, I have seen pictures of DH bikes and the saddles aren’t always slammed in as far as they can go.

[@Loosebirnieee]

@@MaplePanda04 that's because the wheel will hit the seat if they slam it 👍🏻 They will all be as low as is possible without seat buzz from the wheel

[@Rumlen25]

Would be cool to see a video like this on tire pressure. Always curious as to what the pros are running and if they have any secrets; do they run low pressures and just destroy & replace rims or higher pressures to save rims & get them through the race... Insight into pressures at a couple different weights 160lbs rider vs 210lb rider; cushcore vs no cush core; DH vs enduro, etc.

[@promodsteve7882]

Great vid, did not know that tip. Keep em coming PLEASE.

[@paucostagraell3449]

I live near Oscar Saiz, and once he told me levers as flat as possible, i tryed them and never wanna go back. The problem is you have to change the lever angle slowly, like increasing it week by week

[@braddersbradbeer6923]

Could you do tips Saddle position (pointing up/down and forward/rearward on rails) with reference to where hips need to be for efficient pedaling. These videos are so good common sense stuff to make the rig you got better.

[@nigelsmith7366]

I have always set leavers up an angle halfway between seated and standing relative to a straight line following your forearm

[@userbosco]

That's the first thing I did after bringing my new bike home..that and adjust where the levers were horizontally on the bar...no brainer.

[@hwordog]

Qn.....How much benefit would a reduced offset csu really bring versus standard 51mm offset...?. (29er enduro rig) Best series on you tube, stay safe dudes!

[@mannyfnsc29]

How about a discussion on handlebar backsweep? I know a few companies are starting to go with more sweep to help with keeping elbows in a more relaxed position.

[@FarOutRide]

Awesome content this year #dialed folks, thanks! I say you stay quarantined for the next few years for our benefit.

[@FOXFACTORY]

😂🤘

[@benny360]

Hey! Nice to see some content coming out considering everything that is going on. Thanks guys :) Quick question, does fox have a Progressive spring coming out for rear shocks? Im running a progressive spring on my DHX2 and loving it, but would love if Fox bought one out with 25lbs increments :) Or maybe a explanation of progressive springs and how they work? Thanks again :)

[@DT-cb4xz]

Nice set of videos, despite the current unfortunate situation. In relation to brake lever position, for those of us not riding with shifter attached to lever, would it make sense to not only adjust the angle of the shifter (assuming the brake lever angle is changed) but also move it either to the right or left of the brake lever? Also if possible could you guys do a set up video for coil shocks? * bonus points if you guys use Loris sounds when squeezing the shock ;) - Thanks

[@julienmartel2272]

My levers are flat and i would never go back

[@mattsimon9154]

Can you guys cover XC setup recommendation for suspension and bars, etc. Thanks for the great improvising!

[@justsayin3600]

Please do a video on cockpit set up. I've been tweaking; handlebar, levers and seat. At this point I'm wondering if I need to get a new handlebar with more rise and sweep.

[@JohnnieKav]

Cleat position for clipless setups? I've found a more centered cleat position helps reduce ankle injuries (casing big jumps) 😃

[@Loosebirnieee]

I like mine as far back as possible almost! But I come from flat pedals so I like the pedal pretty central on my foot and having it further forward on the ball cause me massive ankle issues when over shooting or hucking jumps

[@CarlosCosta-nw6xc]

Since tire pressures are so important and influence suspension setup, how does one find the sweet spot pressure wise?

[@m1chaelsc]

Carlos Costa she sweat spot is as low as you can go without it rolling off the rim significantly. A good starting point is the Stan’s formula which is (weight in lbs/7) then subtract 1 for the front and add 2 for the rear.

[@kleinkurti]

Depends on how hard you ride, the terrain and your weight. But try to get it as low as possible without punching your rim.

[@Shralps]

Also, too low and you'll get more drag on the flatter sections.

[@justsayin3600]

This is confirmation I need to adjust my left lever. I adjusted my brake and dropper thinking it would be better angled down. The last 3 rides my left wrist would hurt terribly. I am going to have to angle it up.

[@thenorthshoremtb6951]

Great video....I've always wondered about this!

[@williamvangorden44]

And also you got to also think about sitting on the bike or sitting in the bike however you want to word it, you got to think about your point of contact as well are valve stems if they're too short and you're sitting all the way up right I can make it uncomfortable to what are the seat stay and proper sizing of the bike those also have a lot to do with associated arm pump, or better yet don't try to death grip.

[@md.nafeesurrahman6704]

Great learning! Makes sense!

[@ianfleischhacker6154]

Question: What would you recommend? Theme: Rear Shock Situation: The shock seems to get a bit overwhelmed on extended off-camber descents. It's a Fox DPS 7.5x2.0. If I put the rebound a bit faster, I tend to lose bounce around and lose contact with the pedals. I think more pressure and slower rebound means it won't keep up with successive hits. So I'm considering spacers, a piggy back shock, but I'd like to get the most out of what I have. Rider weight 75kg (165lbs). Intermediate skills. What would you recommend?

[@petersilie2432]

I've got glove size xxl - if I put my levers in such a position, the line through the length of my under arms passes below the grips. Making my wrists feel really over-bent and insecure. I think this does not necessarily work for tall riders with big hands.

[@Loosebirnieee]

That's a issue with your bike size or your setup

[@faceblub]

I'd like to have a video of the influence of reach/stack/chainstay length/stem length on the weight balance or in other words how to balance your bike when ... is the case.

[@medallionsales]

Would like some xc suspension ideas. Stiff and supportive but without the chatter?

[@teundrumhead]

jaaakkeeee peace uppppp

[@JakeFrew]

😄🤘

[@Tzestos]

how about foot placement on a flat pedal? that influences how much you drop your heels, but also how much stability you have on the pedal

[@velofiends8849]

Do longer reach/wheelbase bikes have to run higher pressures than shorter reach/wheelbase bikes. It seams that leverage ratios and slightly more noticeable hobby horsing on a long bike would require more support than the shorter bikes. I understand longer bikes have a more centralized rider position and therefore less rider movement than the short bikes that encourage a rider to move about more.

[@50yearoldmtber37]

I'd really like to know the difference of crank arm length, is this only dependant on bottom bracket height or rider preference? Thanks guys..

[@gweflj]

The industry is useless on crank length. The fact that an extra small bike comes with the same BB height and crank length as a large is a joke.

[@50yearoldmtber37]

@@gweflj i suppose its a simple way to keep geometery similar. Im more curious if the output is different on crank arm length being as the longer will have more leverage to put more power down. I could be over thinking this but there has tio be a soecific reason for 160' 165 170 and 175 lengths.

[@gweflj]

@@50yearoldmtber37 No difference between 165 and 180mm unless you're on a single speed. Road guys have all the data on it. The reason they don't modify the frames and offer more crank length is cost.

[@Aljonone1]

@@50yearoldmtber37 If you use shorter cranks, you need to spin cranks at higher revs, for same performance, but shorter cranks have better ground clearance & better for short punchy climbs, other than that just try spinning gears more, as is better for your legs as you get older!

[@jscinsf]

Can you expand on how you change settings/tune for changes in elevation? Is it also true that there is limitations for air shocks at really high elevations? Should you be riding coil if you regularly ride at 10k feet? Thanks!

[@velofiends8849]

Can you explain why the pinkbike crew always set the sag to 30% ??? I understand 1 reason would be to establish a standard across all test... but it seams like a pretty low standard, might as well do the test laps in flip-flops and a fishing hat.

[@gabrielhoffmann8805]

This will convince all my friends who are riding a stupid setup

[@emxrnyberg]

Can you please do a bike set up video for more of a XC bike with shorter travel?

[@orsonincharge4879]

all your setups for transfer posts are internal .... I have struggled with external routing and would appreciate a guide on cable length and best routing practice etc

[@ryzer349]

I struggle to trust my tires on tight turns. I have a fear that I’m gonna wash out and it’s probably an unfounded fear most times. Is it possible to demonstrate just how far you can lean a bike over into a turn? I’m a novice rider trying to improve and I constantly slow down when I probably don’t have to. Any help wound be awesome.

[@andrewslipperbrown3809]

Tips for how to accurately measure shock sag on frames where bore of shock is “hidden” in frame! IE specialized enduro (2020) Santa Cruz tallboy.

[@danielpinto8900]

Hello. First of all, great video! But i still didn't solve my arm pump problem... i am running Shimano XTR M975 brake levers and i don't know exacly how to position them! Can you help me Jordi? Thanks

[@tdone2811]

Could talk tyre pressures, saddle position and seat post height....

[@briangong007]

Good one guys! How about heel positioning...

[@brokenrims9634]

dude what bike is this? is it a cube two fifty with a single crown fork🤔 looks really slack, i like

[@tim3kgt]

YES YES YES!!!!!

[@yaya40321]

Clip lest pedal is the rider now move there ceats back towards the center of the foot ?

[@kristianh.7703]

I like the idea of different adjustments for the bike. But i still am trying to set up my fork and shock. I get information out of the adjustment videos. Then I feel like a dumbass after making adjustments and screwing it all up.

[@bernt5301]

Does barlenght has an effect on your riding,nor better how your setting feels in certains situations? Because i feel i need to get a bit longer bar. Or what are the benefits from a 780 to a 760 bar?

[@noahmacomber5970]

does that help with my fingers wanting to fall off from death gripping my bars, or help at least? If I ride a couple days in a row, my fingers want to fall off

[@szb0_tms42]

Is that a RAAW Madonna? Where did the Mega go? :D

[@williamheffernan5826]

Did he have a Mega? The one in this video looks sweet as, all murdered out.

[@velofiends8849]

How much does tyre size and pressure effect suspension performance and in what part of the stroke? ie. 27.5x2.8 with 20psi vs 29x2.3 25 psi. same bike and rider and trail. ie. start of stroke/ small bump, bottom-out/big hits, and rebound. And also the variable of terrain, hard-pack, mixed heavy gravel, roots and larger rock, mud and dry. Thanx

[@mickepettersson4707]

Why is there ”Tefloninfused” oil in some of your forks and what does the teflon do that regular oil dont?

[@danielg.3992]

When and how should I turn on my derailleur clutch?

[@flyboysnugs]

Sram- it's on all the time. Shimano- move switch to 'on'. Leave it there all the time. 'Off' is only for when u want to remove the rear wheel to take some tension off the chain to make it easier. Sram archives this with a pin that locks the lower cage in the forward position.

[@sPGgwUxYrSd7Cf5H]

#dialed #ridefox #foxdialed What in regards to rear suspension set up would cause you to land nose heavy off of large jumps? I've noticed on my Orbea Rallon (Float Factory X2 and Float Factory Grip 2 36) at bike parks I'm constantly landing nose heavy off big jumps. I ride dirt jumps frequently with a hardtail and never experience the same sensation so, I don't think its a technique thing. I've heard LSC adjustment could help?

[@shawnpowell2733]

Slow your rebound down.

[@gabrielhoffmann8805]

What does rise on handlebars do with your riding

[@pedalstrike6453]

Any advice for reach and lower back pain?

[@Sjako7361]

Whats the music at the intro and outro? seen 50+ dialed videos now to try and figure out if it was in the comments :)

[@FOXFACTORY]

'Ventura' by Camel Power Club and 'Full Mouth' by Jango (that second one is a lot harder to find)

[@velofiends8849]

When is fox going to launch the 34 fatt bike fork?

[@ulbricht1999]

How do I get the best compromise between pedal and downhill position?

[@ssse3123]

On my bicycles and also on motocross I always run levers down so that my wrist is straight. Never had arm pump.

[@Loosebirnieee]

Fair enough on a mx bike, your riding flat stuff alot, and uphill sections! On a dh bike, your riding downhill all the time, so lever position should definitely not be in line with your arms! You need your palm to take the weight not your thumb 👍🏻👍🏻

[@blongmedia5209]

Not only brake lever position but also brake lever distance from the bar, how far out should i have my lever from the bar?

[@shawnpowell2733]

If your brake lever is too far out and you need to reach for it. This may cause some pump. I find it best to have your lever just far enough out that when you do pull the lever it doesn't interfere with your other fingers.

[@cristobalmunoz9222]

A like yuor video guy Jordi Cortés in the#dialed Lernernig the #ridefox so day guy's for the videocomunication #foxdialed face tu face. Saluds from chile 🇨🇱 🤘 😀 🤘 good lucky 🍀 💯

[@jltrack]

When to use Volume spacers...

[@Alexbeauchesne1]

When you have to run too high psi (or too little sag) in your suspension, in order to avoid bottom outs on big hits and harsh landings. Add a volume spacer or two, set sag to 15-30% (depending on riding style and other factors), that should reduce bottom-outs significantly. Try compressing your bike as hard as you can on flat ground with you riding gear on, you shouldn't be able to go over 80% travel. make sure to check max volume spacers capacity for your fork or shock.

[@useport80]

thoughts on progressive coil springs on the dhx2?

[@andrisvelmeris]

Why dosn't fox make diferent colour forks?

[@faceblub]

ooh and please let jordi present the seaotter news.

[@samuelcash9791]

#lovejordi

[@oleksandrprimov3095]

As I understand whenever you service forks lowers, you need to change foam rings. But, I can't find where to buy foam rings separately from seals! Does FOX sell foam rings separately? If it does, please share dealer's contacts in Europe.

[@finn1613]

No they dont😬Only in a seal kit. But you can reuse your rings if you get them cleaned with isopropyl alcohol and they look white. They only need to be replaced if they are damaged or too dirty

[@maxwellsequations]

Jodie personal bike check

[@Vieiradoingthings]

I’ve always used my levers kind a flat position not too much like the French, but more flat than most of my friends. But looking at my riding position I am always to far back and with the legs very bent, and that also causes me some leg fatigue even when’s is no pedalling. What can I do to force me to get a better aggressive position?

[@Loosebirnieee]

Straighten your legs and dip ankles and focus on putting weight through your palms 👍🏻 consciously think about that as your riding a trail slowly 👍🏻

[@Vieiradoingthings]

LooseBirniee thank you for the help, I will try to do that

[@charlieszablewski830]

real ease the death grip on youre handle bars when you can

[@bonemasterj]

I heard Loris adds a teaspoon of Nutella to every seal/bearing/joint to get them extra juicy. Can you confirm or deny this?

[@FOXFACTORY]

😂🤣

[@mattgrady518]

compensating with an aggressive front tire, when what is needed is a more balanced bodyweight distribution throughout your bike setup. I see this way too much. People being too upright to the point where there is no weight on the front tire and the bike tends to drift in heavy cornering.

[@bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb366]

can anyone tell which frame he is on?

[@julianclaudi]

RAAW Madonna V2

[@jordicortes4993]

Lowland Visuals RAAW Madonna

[@PierreAntoineRoiron]

Thank you for this tip, it's great. Yoann Barelli's explanations about lever position are far more complete but it only applies if you have a 3rd ball like him :) .Go check it out !

[@jordiflores4368]

What bike is this? I love those lines

[@jordiflores4368]

RAAW Madonna v2

[@callawaycass5148]

I don't know how many times I've told people this and they think I'm stupid. And they continue to complain about arm pump.