DIALED S2-EP5: What is VVC? | Jordi breaks down a GRIP2 damper from New Fox 38 Fork | FOX

[@mattsimon9154]

I love the fact Fox is willing to let you explain these details! Love the explanation, as always, keep up the great work!

[@OryxAnAngryBoi]

I feel like because they have the patent they can have a bit of freedom to share info

[@wesleybailey4128]

Can you guys make a video talking about the RAD program? How the 38 came to be and a bit about your prototyping process. Loving the content!

[@skeres01]

Great job at explaining suspension again Jordi! High speed compression and rebound is adjusted by VVC. Nice!

[@theodounis]

Jordi explains everything so easy about suspension tuning

[@justsayin3600]

When comparing RS and Fox I always lean to Fox because of their history of; auto, moto and bike suspension experience. I think they are solid and ahead of the curve.

[@withoutbounds]

After watching this I feel confident enough to go build my own in my bike shack instead of having to buy one....THANKS!

[@thedogfatherdogtraining3591]

These videos, and listening to Jordi has helped me immensely to set-up my SB150. LOVE IT, keep the videos coming!

[@Wadilaksana]

Super tuner, mixologists, youtuber. You're a complete package Jordi!

[@Michael-in6jh]

So I’ve heard from a few people that the new 2021 with vvc HSC doesn’t have enough HSC even when closed. Is it better to stick with the 2020 grip2 if you are an aggressive rider. Or possible revalve the main shim stack on the 2021 dampener.

[@povteer]

VVC was something I heard with GRIP2 last year, but with the Fox 38 coming out all over the internets, this video has the right timing! yah, what's VVC indeed. really helpful! thank guys!

[@kristianh.7703]

OMG I can see it!!!! That opened my world up .Thank you very much.

[@KyashanYosaBuson]

Very interesting and well done video. I only have one question about the GRIP2 service (my fork is a FOX 36 Performance Elite @160mm). The official FOX video (like other tutorials) indicates to push the cartridge rod upwards for 3/4 of its travel in order to release the excess oil. In other videos some don't. By pushing the rod up so much, wouldn't you risk letting too much oil escape from the cartridge? However, I suppose it is used to avoid adding oil to the 40cc PTFE already included in the FOX reference table. Thank you so much! K

[@koopatrpa]

Thanks Jordy for this explanation. Have been trying to figure out the mechanism since it first came out. For some reason i thought the adjustment mimicked changing the diameter of the clamping shim. The actual execution is brilliantly simple.

[@joshstaub6224]

Hell yeah this makes sense....it’s an eye opener for sure! Thanks for this.

[@PetrolHead209]

Hopefully this stuff appears on 2021 bikes, looking forward to moving to Fox suspension for my next bike!

[@collinalbert]

Gonna watch a few more times to really understand what you were saying. Was planning on getting an X2 for my Alchemy, and now I get the 2021 X2 stoked!

[@seitenryu6844]

Basically, the high speed valving is acted on by higher *effective* spring force without adding deflection/preload to the spring itself. The adjustment ridge changes diameter, but not height.

[@testtesttesttesttest884]

Would love to see what you guys think of vorsprung's review of the 21 damper.

[@Alanvictoryoung]

Congrats on VVC! Intriguing way to alter the damping curve. Changes the opening point of stack but also changes the spring pressure as well. The geek in me would love to see graphs! Add another talent onto your list? :)

[@yveslaingui457]

Awesome share of info, thanks and please make more of these type of vids seeing as you're at home now and have the time😉

[@emusp]

On the next episode, can you talk a little about what's new on the DPX2 2021 shock?

[@unclewickedmtb2023]

Interesting that no one ever seems to talk about the mid valve on mountain bike forks. Always rebound and base valve. Do any forks run check valves on the MV so the rebound adjuster only flows oil in the rebound direction and not on compression?

[@theodounis]

Fox suspension is always the best

[@TomStemplinger]

Great work guys even in this strange times. Thanks for that. Have a good quarantine. Can’t wait to ride the ne Grip 2 😁👍

[@p199a]

need more details. please disasemble whole thing and talk through how it works during different compresions and where does oil flows and how it flows

[@jackofthetrees]

Great explanation Jordi!

[@nickdmackie]

Great video guys. Quick question - am I doing my X2 any harm by running it in "firm" mode on certain trails? Curious to know if it can do any damage to the shock if used regularly...

[@jbw5485]

Good question. I’d like to hear a answer also. I assume it’s fine as long as you’re not on gnarly drops or casing the shit out of it regularly.

[@davekim8472]

Amazing breakdown and explanation!

[@johnschick716]

Very comprehensive Jordi! Thanks

[@Bikesands]

I don’t need a 38 being a lightweight old and slow dude that doesn’t put much force on anything but I really want one now.

[@Aljonone1]

Just make your own 38 stickers & save $1000 plus will fit any forks & any travel!

[@RonnRider]

Excellent vid guys! Perfectly explained. Cheers

[@tomosullivan7193]

Thanks! I enjoyed the disassembly and explanation.

[@Rickie-37]

So I'm revisiting this video after the new GripX2 damper came out where they removed VVC on the compression side... if it's better, why get rid of it?

[@WaechterDerNacht]

Did i understand that right, that this wing basically acts like an additional leaf spring to set the opening pressure of the valve and it basically just changes the length of that leaf spring, therefore the needed pressure to open it...?

[@evo5349]

Fox is very good as I have run there coil shock for 3 years and its tuneable but don't be greedy on the adjusters or just get it revalved. The Fox 36 very good but converted to coil and was so much better than air.

[@laurenpaulchua9301]

Hey jordi great stuff there. Just a quick question is a that custom 2021 dhx2 for tallboy 4, 190x50 or 7.5x2? Cant find that size on fox’s website. I have the same frame and is looking to convert it to coil. Thanks

[@mikedemille]

I had the same question - also is the 36 at 140mm? They only make the new one in 150-160 I believe. Can you get a 140 air shaft in this new 36?

[@laurenpaulchua9301]

Mike DeMille based on the lost co bike shop here on yt, mike said that the 2021 36 can still go from 130-160mm

[@GumptionZA]

is there a difference, or what is the difference between a suspension setup that a normal rider would consider to be good, and a suspension setup that a good rider would consider to be fast? what are you looking for in a fast suspension setup?

[@premiumboard21]

So what the difference betwen preload the spring valve and leverage methode?

[@wm4385]

Thank you Jordi!

[@chriscalomino5229]

Need to know the coil set up on that tallboy. Have same set up with a 36 and need that coil small bump. Thanks for any input

[@klugehf]

Maybe a question for Jordi: I’ve seen you do the quick rebound speed test by pushing down on the bars and seeing if the front wheel hops off the ground. But what’s with the “drop the rear wheel” test? Should it not rebound at all? How useful is this?

[@Petrstuka]

can you describe differences between 2020 and 2021 dhx2 shocks? thanks, Jordi, much appreciate!

[@JeffVlimant]

you know what? I kindly want to work with this guy...

[@tajhendry9798]

Jeff Vlimant you really don’t he farts.

[@JeffVlimant]

@@tajhendry9798 I grew up with a farting uncle... Good enough

[@Exalix]

Hi Jordi! What is your comment about the new 2021 GRIP2 being under damped according to Vorsprung? Is it true?

[@TheDav81]

Hi jordi can i ask you an question ? My fork that is an fit4 36 160mm kashima 2019 When i open up the rebound it reaches a time that the fork feels that its stiff but this feeling goes away when i back down one click my question is if this is normal thanks 😁 Loving the comeback of dialled 🤟😎👏

[@philipdalessandro2127]

Quick question I got the 2021 fox 36 Factory grip 2 out of the box had issues with the HSR and LSR where it is kind of extremely tight to turn and it was moving the LSR with the HSR. The shop I bought it from had to send it back to Fox and Fox had to rebuild it because they did not have any of that same model in stock and now it's happening again after just a couple of light adjustments so I have to hold the LSR well adjusting the HSR. Any information is helpful

[@mtba102]

Where can I find the axle to crown length for the new fox 38 27.5 models?

[@promodsteve7882]

Great vid, love the technology.

[@harrisonbuenger8467]

So this is essentially a better way of using high speed and low speed rebound controls or am I missing the point?

[@braxtona.4575]

Jordini master of suspension

[@endurorider974]

I noticed that the new 36 will go up to 160mm of travel and the 38 from 160 to 180mm of travel. So no 36 in 170mm anymore? Actually I read that the 38 is stiffer than the 36 which is more suitable for lighter riders. So for my weight and style of riding the 36 seems to be the way to go but I ride a 170mm fork on all bikes. I'm a little bit confused lol. Thanks for your answer.

[@ttengineer404]

Is the new damper compatible with the older forks?

[@wonderwatch2239]

Is that a coil shock, on a SC tallboy?👀

[@akjdhfkqwrhetkjanfvkkkresae]

I think that's a nomad. Pretty certain that a DHX2 wouldn't fit on a tallboy.

[@timgair6930]

Yes that is a Tallboy. He said ina previous video he was getting ~120 in the rear. So maybe it has a slightly longer stroke than stock

[@SuperPandaChannel]

Hey! I just got a new Fox 34 with a GRIP2 damper. The HSR has no clicks and spins infinitely. Is my damper broken? Kinda bummed out. Thanks!

[@vikingo4877]

Jordi looks to be such a mint julep guy. In my mind thats all he drinks. In a metal cup of course. What will the retail price be on the new valve for a 40?

[@sacha2711]

what exactly is the difference between tunes on a 2021 Fox 38? stiffness of the little clock spring? orifice size? my 2021 commencal meta power 29 signature came with the 2021 fox 38 factory emtb tune; rebound is waaay too slow even with HSR & LSR dialed all the way out; while compression is waaay too light even with HSC & LSC dialed on the way in. 180 pound rider, 50-60 degree winter norcal riding, 100psi, 2 volume spacers. how do i fix this? i've heard the term 'reclock' but i don't know what that is. does fox ship forks dry to commencal, ie they might have put 20wt oil in the damper side instead of oem spec 5wt teflon infused???????????????

[@gsichtle1]

Jordi, ist this a Specialized saddle on your santa?? I have got the cambination!!! Regards from Germany

[@kalso69]

hi there folks @Fox suspension. I recently got hold of a Fox36 w/ the latest VVC damper and was wondering if the behavior I observed is normal for this new damper. When i fully turn the HSC/LSC to the close position, the fork still compresses as if there was no/minimal damping. in my 2019 Fox36 it's very noticeable even when just wound half way, you can feel the damper working. can fox confirm whether VVC is indeed working this way or is my fork damper defective. appreciate if you can comment, thanks in advance.

[@86309]

thank you!

[@clarkie005]

Honestly surprised this basic design wasn’t picked up before fox got the idea and patented it.

[@Purveyorofawesome]

Jordi wearing a Whoop 🤘

[@hollycow123445]

Can we drop this new damper into a 2020 36?

[@jibberist]

love it !

[@nicolasvo4577]

So i got a quick question, arent the new 36,38&40 kind of over-ingieured for a normal, day to day mtb rider? I didn't look at the price list but isn't all of this going to make those suspensions enormously expensive for a rider who doesnt need so much dialing?

[@Twisted_Biscuit]

will this damper fit in previous 36 forks?

[@tankota22]

I have the same question

[@adammccarthy2157]

Buy a Lyrik

[@bonemasterj]

But what does VVC stand for? Variable Valve Control?

[@adammccarthy2157]

They will have redesigned it by August

[@ShiftMTB]

Freaking brilliant people

[@nelson4483]

Where are the Honda fan boys?

[@zyoungson215]

😂🤣

[@dank3823]

Very trick design. Who thinks this stuff up?

[@cristobalmunoz9222]

In my opinion in #dialed guy the #ridefox Jordi Cortés thes new grips damper of the new forcka 38 of the. Fox bike's. 🗣️yyaaCammone so good saluds a the guy #foxdialed. Of Chile 🇨🇱 🤘😀🤘 ♥️ 💯

[@m1chaelsc]

I find this stuff really interesting as an aspiring engineer. (I'm 16)

[@steelwing7532]

I'm so sad I missed this tech when I bought my bike 4 months ago. Jealous.

[@sonnduro]

Jeff French always wait a year, new stuff aren’t always reliable. At least with the old stuff you know its going to work.

[@steelwing7532]

@@sonnduro Fair enough!

[@sonnduro]

I feel the same sorta, i got a fox factory 36 grip 2 2019/2020. But when they say you gotta check the air pressure before every ride with the new fork, thats kinda turns me away from it.

[@steelwing7532]

@@sonnduro I converted my 2020 grip2 factory 36 to a Vorsprung Smashpot

[@adanielweaver]

@@steelwing7532 could you really notice a difference? What was it and was it worth it?

[@w1jumpmaster]

It would nice if it actually worked.. they should tell you if you run of a certain PSI.. it's worthless

[@About8VT]

Care to elaborate??? I’m looking at a 49 w/ this damper currently…and I’m heavy…and run high PSI.

[@bisforbroke4233]

There is only one real jordi

[@DM-hw4cr]

Wash your hair