Did Avril Lavigne Actually Write Her Earlier Hits?

[@nnkk7742]

Middle age swedish men singing girly pop is what the world needs. Lift the veil and give us the integrity that we deserve.

[@grantyboy9115]

Isn’t that the likes of Max Martin productions who made What The Hell amongst other legendary songs haha

[@charlee_hotel]

@@nnkk7742 RoomieOfficial? The dude who does that channel, despite his youthful appearance, is a 36 year old Swedish musician.

[@ivanperez4627]

Avril content 2 times in the same week?? I’m loving this!

[@NicoCollinsOfficial]

As a longtime major Avril Lavigne stan, I was in kindergarten when Let Go came out that year and it was my first album I ever owned by choice. I still believe that Avril was integral to the songwriting process - even if she might not have been the nucleus of it. With an industry songwriter and producer team like the Matrix, especially back in those days, your primary goal was to find underdeveloped artists that would most convincingly and authentically perform the songs/demos you‘ve created from both an artistic and a commercial standpoint. With that being said, Avril may not have been the “head b in charge” during the creation of the Let Go singles, but she was inarguably present and involved in the creative process no matter how you look at it. The Matrix, who I have always had the utmost respect for as a brilliant production team, would’ve never soared to the heights they did if it wasn’t for Let Go and their collaborations with Avril herself during the making of that album. Avril has always been writing her songs, either by herself or with co-writers, since the beginning of her career and so to argue that she was just some lame industry plant poser to me is a bit of a strawman fallacy. Even though she was technically an “industry plant”, NO DIFFERENTLY from her contemporaries, that doesn’t negate that she was a talented writer that was in fact heavily involved in the process of Let Go, as well as the several “B-sides” that were also recorded for it. The way I see it, is Avril helped the Matrix just as much as the Matrix helped Avril. It’s a shame they never continued working together for whatever reasons, because I’m sure that also would’ve been a great project. It takes a VILLAGE to create a global pop star. Avril Lavigne was just as much of a part of that village as every other writer and producer she worked with.

[@justjoannak]

Absolutely agree with this

[@KarlieStarrSings]

Let Go may have more "polished" lyrics, but Under My Skins comes across more raw and honest which is why it's a lot of fans favourite, including myself

[@justjoannak]

Agreed

[@Ghostflowers]

Bought UMS 20 years ago and to this day it's her best album sonically and lyrically. Ben Moody, Raine Maida and Chantal Kreviazuk truly brought out the best in her.

[@islandrebelmakeup4653]

@@Ghostflowers I didn’t realize Ben Moody worked on the album. Makes sense, even though I can’t stand the man.

[@xPaLmaaHx]

@@islandrebelmakeup4653 mainly on one song but that song is so good.. he cowrotee Nobody's Home... and guess what the chord progression is something he overused in Evanescence... and kept using afterwards but it didn't clicked so well, hence why his failure as solo artist, twice and how the copyband he did again using same pattern and chord progrssions he used back then, but yes it didn't click because the missing part is someone with real talent like Amy... or Avril to explode it to the full.. his best work will always be recognized with Evanescence...but it was mainly bc of Amy IMO.... after he left the band the only popular hits would be Nobody's Home, Because of You by Kelly Clarkson and the only song that artist from American Idol HANNA Pestle did, and 1 song with Celine Dion that went nowhere...and 1 song for Belinda a mexican pop artist that did kinda poorly.... so yes, that dude was an idiot, and had 1 formula only... but only worked with someone more talented that happened to be cowritting with him like the ones mentioned....

[@aleksaranitovic]

Under My Skin is for suure Avril`s best work to date, it felt honest, raw and vunerable.

[@byeian3644]

same thoughts

[@AmoMe2009]

Completely agree!!! I listen to that from start to finish!!!! My favorite album of hers!!!

[@cheshirerose2001]

My all time favorite album

[@kianna270]

Losing grip is one of her best songs. Hit so hard as a teenager and I still play it weekly as an adult 😂 she had pure talent! In glad she’s had a comeback

[@petrvarfolomeev1993]

Avril and The Matrix could have become something like Swift/Antonoff duo of their generation. Their chemistry together was unstoppable. So sad they never worked again.

[@justjoannak]

This, omg

[@BG12sofia]

She actually worked again with Lauren Christie from The Matrix for the album Head Above Water, though.

[@jessicaseitelman5875]

Thank you for mentioning this!

[@BG12sofia]

@jessicaseitelman5875 yeah. That leads me to believe that, at the end of the day, there wasn't any bad blood between Avril and The Matrix, at least not between her and Lauren.

[@emilyl.kaiser814]

"It was in me" was the only really good one. Souvenir is fine, but the rest is kinda trashy, idk.

[@renatamachado2852]

What I love about Avril is that she never cared to be popular, she just wanna be herself. To this day, she’s inspiration to many artists.

[@iagolsdsilva]

I think Under My Skin is her best album!

[@Gabe-jq4gk]

Saaaemee🤘🤘

[@wilfreddale764]

Could you PLEASE make a video about Hello Kitty and how unfairly she was treated? This song was made for her Japanese fans, and Japanese audiences didn’t see any issue with it. She’s still one of the most popular foreign singers in Japan, her sister married a Japanese singer, and the whole music video was produced by a Japanese team. It’s interesting in present time no one criticizing Megan Thee Stallion for ‘Mamushi’ and plenty of other singers are “culture appropriating”.

[@user-ke2ot4wd2s]

Avril wrote Head above water almost completely with Lauren Christy from The Matrix so yeah they did work together again

[@Avrillalo]

the way you added all those Avril puns 00:22-00:30 😂

[@tweetingsparks]

honest is an Avril girlie. 😊😊

[@PaulKapow]

Composing music and writing lyrics are two different skills. I just want to point this out. Making songs and albums are a collaborative process. Avril obviously contributed to Let Go even if she doesn't get credit for it. She has a very strong personal brand and is versatile musically. I'm glad that we have gotten the albums that we have so far. I love Head above water and Luv Sux.

[@ChristopherTom]

Let Go might just be my favorite album of all time, it's the most perfect pop album I've ever heard. Under My Skin is a great album too, but Let Go was just on another level.

[@yageshabazz3456]

Lots of artists don’t write their own songs. It doesn’t make them any less talented singers or performers

[@laterjester]

Ohhh more Avril Lavigne content???? mkay

[@user-jp4cj3ds7p]

😂⛱️

[@Greybell]

is Avril coming back for new music?

[@Mcabanas17]

@@Greybellshe been back lol

[@rydbthatsme]

Let Go is amazing BUT Under My Skin is her best work. She’s an amazing songwriter!

[@ZimaKamimoto]

I actually think Under My Skin is better than Let Go🙈

[@donjai9366]

Hi Honest can you make a video on George Michael and his impact on the music industry similar to a documentary. I really like George & I think he's underrated. Nice video on Avril Lavigne 👍

[@Crocady1]

Hello Kitty was her downfall

[@lourdesmaytegalvez4553]

Couldn't agree more!!

[@connection7165]

The worst part is that that album had Hush Hush, Falling Fast or 17 and she chose Hello Kitty as a single... That was criminal.

[@BombshElle_7]

But Japan LOVED it...

[@emilyl.kaiser814]

It was just a fun song for her japanese fans. People think way to much in this one.

[@user-gp9kg8do3h]

Her downfall was Girlfriend imho, it was a success yes, but the label wanted hits like this after that and she gave us "What The Hell", songs she never wanted to do. It is confusing to me, because The Best Damn Thing had also good songs like "When you're Gone" or "Keep Holding On" which is more like classic Avril. Her earlier work (her first and her second album) was really more adult stuff.

[@migueloronarodriguez930]

I think Avril will never be as successful in the mainstream because she found her lane and stayed there. That’s also the main reason of her longevity. When I want to listen to that type of music, I automatically listen to Avril.

[@charlee_hotel]

@@migueloronarodriguez930 Oh, bless your heart. She was *THE* mainstream in the 1st half of the 2000s. Source: I lived those years as a teen and young adult.

[@hilaryhongkong]

I think it was quite obvious that she didn't even write her earlier hits. In fact, I wouldn't say anyone who writes *exclusively* with a team of professional songwriters from the get-go is a real songwriter. This means I think Avril Lavigne only really started being one from after The Best Damn Thing at least. Goodbye Lullaby still has the singles written like that but at least not the whole project.

[@paintingdreams290]

except thats not necessarily true, two things are songwriting involves two separate aspects, composing and lyric writing, also, labels could force artists to collaborate w other songwriters.

[@skimask5933]

@@CentraalHub What makes her music trashy? It's quite good.

[@ice_king_15]

​@@CentraalHubyeah Let go and ums are so mature, tbdm, gl and self titled lyrics are so like dumb? Idk how yo explain it but her lyrics in those albums are so basic like if you compare it with another artist like taylor, marina, lana or even tove lo and kesha you can notice the lack of creativity

[@paintingdreams290]

@@CentraalHub i'm not tho, i'm not exactly a fan of Avril Lavigne in the first place and i'm making a point in general of how external factors exist.

[@chrishill9197]

@@CentraalHub Why do some people have such a problem with Avril's music? I wonder what you think of nowadays' dull mediocre rubbish?

[@ayeyagomez]

I've always related more to the lyrics in Under my Skin -I'd always be self isolating, anxious and melancholic growing up so that must be why-. 'Don't Tell Me' was the first Avril song I ever listen to and it's still my favorite of hers to this day.

[@gab5776]

loving these avril contents!!!!

[@delix787]

Can somebody tell me how new music musicians are already surpassing the order artistes from 20 years ago?? In terms of popularity and viewers on Spotify/KZbin, Billie and Olivia are new, yet they have more popularity than Avril, but they don’t have her legacy.

[@charlee_hotel]

Back in the early to mid 2000s, nobody really thought Avril was *_that_* great. In fact, I remember local radio stations called her 2nd marriage (to Chad Krueger) _same-sucks marriage._ To me, it truly feels like a bizarro world this sudden obsession with Avril Lavigne. She was popular, but also not viewed as a serious singer.

[@LD-tn6ff]

Girl, forget Avril, those new artists are more successful on Spotify and KZbin today than history's most successful commercial artists of all time. This is because exposure and consumption amongst the masses has absolutely nothing to do with talent, legacy, or quality of art itself. Theres a reason the music industry has what's called "kingmakers". If record labels/music executives today are going to invest hundreds of thousands on a new artist today like Billy or Olivia, they're going to ensure that those artists and their music are exposed, branded, and marketed to consumers with utmost priority over an artist who isn't yielding a return on investment for them- including legacy acts. This just shows that when consumers don't scour the majority of the market - learning about hundreds upon hundreds of new or old artists for a stake in preference as a consumer, that an industry can step in to manipulate what few artists DO get exposure.

[@justjoannak]

Billie*

[@BombshElle_7]

@LD-tn6ff Agreed. Streaming changed the game. Back then, it was easy for artists to go platinum because fans bought physical copies of music. Now, it takes YEARS to do it. Gen Z streams. There's nothing wrong with that. But Milennials, Gen X, and Boomers still have physical copies of their favorite albums and the media to play them. There's no need for us to stream. So, it APPEARS that today's artists are more successful. Looks can be deceiving

[@delix787]

@@BombshElle_7 so these new artists are becoming more popular than the old ones simply because streaming cares more about what’s trending as of now to push them as hard as they can for everyone to know that they exist surpassing the old generation?

[@imjakedeason]

i am so grateful that avril is back and thriving again

[@camdenbehrens]

I love Avril. I remember being a kid and hearing skater boy on the school bus radio. I think it’s the only song I remember hearing at that young age to be honest. ❤

[@BombshElle_7]

Conspiracy theorists have entered the chat. Avril is alive and well, ya. Freak out. Let it go.

[@nemanjaras]

Then she should give a DNA sample for a public examination.

[@imjakedeason]

@@nemanjaras touch some grass hahah

[@BombshElle_7]

@@imjakedeason 🤣 Agreed

[@yageshabazz3456]

@@nemanjaras Comments like these reinforces the idea that there is a new wave of celebrity obsession; and it’s rooted in voyeuristic contempt.

[@chrishill9197]

This conspiracy needs to gtfo for good. There is no way in hell you can accurately replace a whole person.

[@felipeyoungw]

I do prefer Under My Skin to Let Go.

[@charlee_hotel]

@@felipeyoungw Same.

[@user-ke2ot4wd2s]

0:21 You mentioning complicated, losing grip and let go in the same sentence?? There's no way that was NOT planned

[@sonablom]

6:05 oh no, so that’s what happened to Liz phair. Did they do that one jewel song too? Edit: nope, the razor ad song is jewel and Lester Mendez

[@AntonioGG2-8420]

Avril will forever be the princess of Pop-Punk.

[@beniana2101]

Avril did work with Lauren Christy again and they are both in great terms and quite close friends. Whatever stupid thing she said when she was 17 was probably forgotten and forgiven by both parties.

[@josephensworth7044]

6:04 Omggg you mentioned SHADOW!!! 😍😍😍 That song is and have always been In The Zone's hidden gem ❤

[@SirPlasticMan]

Under My Skin’s major song(which I know location in the US Top 40 matters) Nobody’s Home was huge due to using key people behind Evanescence’s Grammy winning album Fallen.

[@Angi3_6]

I LOVE Under My Skin. I still have the mini poster!

[@tomvanes14]

I think Let Go and all her other album are distinctively unique while also featuring Avril’s signature sound. She’s a great singer and songwriter and will always be one of my favorites! 🤘🏼

[@PJsReplay]

I’ve always thought to myself that Avril could do a country album and I find this out today 🔥

[@Dean-rn8ik]

I love your videos! 🤩can you maybe do more of your videos where you rank artists their singles, like you did with Rihanna and Taylor swift :) I would love to see a ranking of Katy Perry for example

[@akuaampabeng]

Lady Gaga too😊

[@avikalra]

Avril worked with Lauren Christy on her Head Above Water album: It Was In Me, Souvenir, Bigger Wow and Love Me Insane.

[@xantonette]

I disagree that any of her post-lgwork is “redundant-“ her tracks on each album follow a theme, but the albums overall are very different. though lg will always be my fav album, I definitely think differently of it knowing she didnt write a lot of it, making me appreciate ums more.

[@PrettyboyAshtun]

i love complicated

[@connor_1x1x1x1]

I loved how you indirectly referenced her work in your intro.

[@jackiezw191]

Avril & Aaliyah are the coolest girls of my Life ❤❤

[@johnta20]

It's only the last couple years I've really paid attention to Avril. I used to think she was lumped in with Hilary and some if the other Disney girls but realized her music actually has alot of depth to it.

[@AngelBloom-p6j]

Avril's Music is Unmatched ❤️

[@rebelrebel2567]

where's the video on lady gaga's latest single disease ?

[@honestboy]

Working on it. Just putting out the content I’ve already done first.

[@calistusjay60]

Her Let Go stuff has lyricism that only a 15 year old would come up with. I also think if you listen to her newer songs, the melody structures and vocal adlibs are so similar - I don’t doubt her involvement!

[@justajournalist]

early gang. my Canadian queen

[@LizCooper39]

I loved how the “alternative girl” fed to girls at the time was still an incredibly slim and conventionally attractive young white woman.

[@ayo_moreno]

Under my skin was THEE CD. I really enjoyed that album

[@summerchild_]

Avril's first album is THE album

[@justjoannak]

Disagree regarding Under My Skin. It's *_EASILY_* her best record and my personal favorite

[@taint1801]

Under My Skin is the superior album

[@marstal4913]

I believe she is dead and was replace. Proof in the pudding even in this video something weird happens. 8:46 and let it play and CAREFULLY listen to the guy talking about helping her find "who she was" HE SAYS I WAS FORCING HER TO WORK WITH, STOPS, PAUSES, HAS A SHAKY VOICE, SAYS I MEAN TRY TO HELP HER WORK WITH THEM INSTEAD OF HIS PREVIOUS VERBIAGE OF "FORCING HER TO WORK WITH THEM" then he says sorry and the interview is over. Why the slip up then a sorry? Suspect much?!

[@SoBluFan]

Hey Honest, great video. Can you please do a video on Blu Cantrell. Thank you.

[@venusbby]

I thought he did? Like a few years back? I could be mistaken though

[@noelia1620]

Earlyyyy I love your vids!!

[@Felixlaii]

Well she did score a number one on billboard with girlfriend!

[@shannonshannonbobannon5040]

She married that nickelback guy. Enough said.

[@charlee_hotel]

@@shannonshannonbobannon5040 I didn't know _same-sucks marriage_ was allowed!!!

[@shawty9519]

This streak of Avril videos is Canadian-on-Canadian crime

[@--Paws--]

At the beginning of the video; amI hearing song puns?

[@dani-nl4wz]

We need a video about Disease

[@stink..]

It reminds me of people not believing Taylor’s writing involvement in her early music… and possibly still today

[@MateLeob]

She still didn’t write much on her first album Changing a few words don’t count

[@MrMikeInverse]

AVRIL STUFF YEAAAAAH

[@PureSparkles22]

The best damn thing was iconic

[@sullysullivan1187]

Why are people obsessed with avril? I only know girlfriend from the Burnout game…

[@LD-tn6ff]

Sk8ter Boi in particular, and Complicated were some of the biggest songs of their day commercially - in the mid 2000's. They were songs that everyone played repeatedly over and over again. Girlfriend was very successful, but nowhere near the earlier songs mentioned. Despite Avrils phenomenon being short-lived, it was quite a massive phenomenon for a minute. Combine that with her distinguished aesthetic, and she oozes nostalgia for younger millennials who fondly recall that era.

[@kingwonit]

@@LD-tn6ffshe didn't do bad she had three back to back hit album era before falling off

[@chrishill9197]

Why wouldn't you be obsessed with Avril?

[@AkiUtada]

The Let Go CD booklet had all the lyrics written in supposedly Avril's own hand! 😂 They really tried to sell the idea that Avril’s music was “real” and selfwritten (and that she wrote songs with her bandmates) as opposed to her competitors. Now we know that autorship is questionable and that she never quite managed to have the same success. A few years later Taylor Swift came up and was also marketed as a songwriter. The difference being that Taylor actually wrote her own stuff and so her voice remained constant troughout her career even when using different collaborators. And she also had booklets with handwritten lyrics (in her case, real ones!)

[@kianna270]

Yep . You can tell Taylor writes her own lyrics- the same situations, themes and descriptions come up frequently in her songs that it just cant be a room full of random song writers. As well as her “lore” is tied in heavily.

[@theloneliestloveliesttime]

Sis, theres been tea for years that Taylor wasnt writing her old music. Shes writing it now and we can all tell because its trash lol.

[@paintingdreams290]

u do realise that songwriting isnt just lyrics, its also composing the music, she couldve written the lyrics and not the composition

[@noitsbecky.4291]

⁠@@theloneliestloveliesttimesis, u sound like a moron. her old music was always written by her, the reason there is a difference is because of genre change, age and different collaborators..? she has a whole self written album from 2010 called “speak now” which i think showcases her lyrical potency. this “tea” u speak of is hilarious and just brought up to bring down the credibility of a young woman and shows ur level of gullibility. her old writing style was catchy pop country storytelling with naivety and relatability attached to it, reason u think her new stuff is “hers” is because u think it’s “worst” when really it’s just a change of writing style.

[@noitsbecky.4291]

@@theloneliestloveliesttimei do agree that her new stuff doesn’t hit the same way her older stuff does but that’s not because she is simply writing it herself which is wrong. she has collaborators, do they do much lyrically? no but they are there. i think she is simply not being challenged and isn’t being told to slow down which she should. she used to take her time.

[@islandrebelmakeup4653]

In all honesty, if those lyrics weren’t from a teenage mind, whoever wrote it should be kind of embarrassed. I appreciate Let Go for what it is but it’s not a lyrical masterpiece, in fact it has a lot of lyrics that border on just bad, except for them being written by a 16 year old.

[@Eva_noir.]

From what I heard from she doesn't write her stuff. RCA brought all the writers.

[@emilyl.kaiser814]

Then you read wrong, don't believe everything you read.

[@chrishill9197]

Well, that's just hear say. It is not facts.

[@infsai]

Umm any reaction to new lady Gaga song?

[@jacksampsonforever]

I wanna live in the reality where Avril became a country artist

[@LD-tn6ff]

Just go listen to the dixie chicks lol.

[@clarissavaldez7091]

When I became edgy at 11 lol

[@florescent93]

This is, perhaps, the dumbest rage bait video I've ever watched.

[@ei3554]

Not the OG pick me getting exposed for the commercial plant she actually is

[@marioandtyler]

bro what do you mean she had been singing since she was a kid

[@BombshElle_7]

What? How was she a plant? She wrote her music with other writers, wrote for other artists, influenced Taylor Swift, and has remained in the game for over 20 years. She wrote one "pick me" song, and it (along with its remix) was a hit. Stop trying to rewrite history and grow up. 🤡

[@ei3554]

@@marioandtyler nobody said anything about her not being a singer

[@ei3554]

@ she fits all criteria of one 😂

[@MoMo-rx4zr]

@@gigiloveyeahI love Avril’s discography but she was a “pick me”. She used to do interviews calling britney a sl*t. A lot of the alt girls at the time were ironically pro-status quo and misogynistic. You know someone is sexist when even I as an 8 year old would notice it in how she talked about the pop girls.

[@MsVitaD]

I think im actually first for once omg

[@todoguias1]

first

[@MsVitaD]

DANG IT!

[@AnthonyChobotdoespopcult-jz7jr]

3rd😊

[@junior-ij5fs]

the real avril did

[@MsVitaD]

No, Melissa did

[@chrishill9197]

Keep believing in that crock of shit.