Did BORKSEN Cheat? - HUNTERXHUNTER Ch 409

[@Mohinsh]

Togashi successfully fried this man's brain

[@Lhiet]

Borksen surprised me with her intelligence and she masterfully navigated this game. Def one of the most important characters from now on.

[@SamTheGumMan117]

After Togashi focused on Borksen crumbling the card I felt that's kinda strange since she's only ever showed a reaction to something like the kiss suggestion then her making it out alive. Plus the cutesy facial expressions were peak this chapter, and didn't expect one of the soldiers like Borksen to be so captivating but Togashi is goated like that with his characters.

[@PublicNemesis]

When Borksen checked the cards she crumpled one of them slightly so she knew what one was the card she wanted. I'm fairly sure she intended to join the Heil-Ly, not sure why though. Seeing as she is one of Tseri's friends, and he is the benefactor (or was) of the Heil-Ly; should could be trying to infiltrate them for some reason related to him.

[@isaiasrach7503]

Well i saw people talk about the reason she joined is because of martial law She doesnt join she dies She joins she stays alive She leaves, her coworker guards could see her as a treath because thats the orders that she herself gave them if someone of them was taken She needs to hide until martial law is over if she can survive that because tier 3 is shot on sight if youre hands are not placed against the wall Tier 2 you need to be in youre room with youre hands on the table or in the air or you will be shot So thats a no go for borksen so her only save place is join, learn a nen ability and destroy it from the inside

[@knightcommander5694]

You misunderstood about announcement. Higher tiers can hear what said for lower tears but not other way

[@UmairAamir01]

Hey Ryan, imo you're overthinking the last "No. It's not a mistake" dialogue from Borksen. Though after such heavy rule explanations, I wouldn't blame ya xD So, let me explain to make things simple for you. In 407, Morena said that a "Yes/No" answer can be interpreted in both ways. But if the subject is specified, it makes things clear. I think Togashi put that in there so that we keep that in our mind for this. Even in this chapter, when Borksen asked Morena if she'd settle for any compromise, Morena said "No. I will not change my mind". Clearly specifying what she meant, without leaving anything to interpretation. Similarly, Borksen kind of did same thing in the last dialogue, where she specifically said that her decision is NOT A MISTAKE, and it is her actual decision. If Borksen just answered "No", it could've been interpreted both ways. But with her assigning the subject to her "No", it makes it clear that what she did was not a mistake.

[@prototayp2]

9:00 she infected 22 total, 2 members died to nobunaga and Hinrigh

[@mokyodai]

Oh, I really have a feeling that Morena’s Contagion condition to level up to LVL. 50 if the subject was able to kill a Kakin prince, Borksen being Tserri’s childhood friend and a woman will really play something in the future. I kinda hope Togashi will not just dispose Theta just like what he did with Rammot, because I grew to empathize with her.

[@alexanderirizarry7722]

I think you're overthinking her response to whether or not it was a mistake. The significance of her answering the way she did is to show that she's her own subject, just like Morena did when they decided on how questions would be answered. I think the implication is, you're half right, that she intends on being her own person instead of a family member. Also, I think Morena knows Borksen cheated, and the whole point of allowing that is to prove that the child does in fact have some agency. I always thought the idea that you don't really get to choose your last card negate this idea that she would get to choose of her own free will, but if you're allowed to cheat, and Morena knows that, then yeah you really do have free will. Or... it means it's an illusion. An illusion of free will. She wanted Borksen to say yes after all, right? So maybe the question operates more like an opportunity to consent? 🤷‍♂️ I'm losing my mind too bro it's ok lol

[@TKUltra971]

prolly. she was pretty quick to crumple that card and was playing 4d chess in her head the entire time. kiss happened but the final condition is her watching a [bad thing]. so whos to say.

[@katsurotak6332]

Borksen 100% marked the return card, she made sure she was the one turning the cards over by doing so before getting a permission from Morena in order to avoid Morena turning the cards over herself.

[@andyheydt]

For me, it was a good idea to re-read chapters 407-409 because it really helped me to follow along with the negotiation game. Maybe Borksen was able to use nen to swap the face up sides of the card so it would ensure her survival.

[@pigcatapult]

She gave Morena the No card to flip to distract her from seeing the card mark on Return

[@nahrubish]

Borksen can mark the card using her nail. She did it when she turned over both cards.

[@djoko1999]

Ryan, morena did infect 22 people but two of them died to nobunaga and pigeon guy

[@Slhazzard]

She marked one of the cards that’s at she crumpled it. To hide her tracks.

[@catholicguy3605]

Morena is kind of a diddler

[@Mantis_Toboggan_TrashMan]

I think the loophole is that the game is unfair from the start. She didn't cheat; she only played the game as it is. It's like a casino; they've built the game to always come out on top. I think the longer the game goes on or the more questions asked, the more the person becomes influenced to join.

[@IsaacDionne]

Morena emphasized that they had a limited amount of time and yet I imagine with the questions Borksen asked to squeeze every last drop ended up taking up a lot of time. Is it possible that Borksen has already failed to meet the conditions to the game via a time restriction? Not saying that’s the case but I feel like the emphasis on time will have some importance.

[@isaiasrach7503]

Uhm the time was for borksen because if dogman found another specialist she would be expandible But: because of martial law dogman was 100 procent stopped from being able to find the specialist and giving borksen all the time she needed to ask questions

[@IsaacDionne]

@ oooo that’s a good point, was it explicitly stated so or did you put that together

[@jynniferspencer861]

You’re overthinking this. It’s not a double negative situation. Good chapter though.

[@luizrafael7939]

To me the way the army act in different tiers is just another side of the social kakin structure. I have my doubts if it really means something happened in T3

[@jeom3808]

What if, most likely, she took a gamble. Knowing "no" and "return" would not be it, but her desired "x" or "yes". The gamble would mean that while it's not a mistake, it's only an intentional gamble for an unknown result.

[@melissajebediah]

we were the ones who were cheated out of an eight page kiss scene 😔

[@ObiClon]

Yeah I'm very confused by this chapter too.

[@KillaSmit20789]

Idk wtf was going on. She should've asked more about the "real" Morena.

[@alexanderirizarry7722]

Maybe she did. We don't know all the questions asked.

[@crispyjuice2110]

@@alexanderirizarry7722 Understanding the "real" Morena is too important not to be shown to the reader

[@nowwhat6716]

She answered her didn't she.

[@alexanderirizarry7722]

@crispyjuice2110 I think we've been given enough information to know the "real" Morena. I don't think Borksen thinks she can save her bc she doesn't want to be saved. She just wants to burn it all down. But I do think it's possible that she was the original Morena, and resurrected via post mortem nen. 🤷‍♂️

[@tengiskoks9883]

spiders are on chopping block damn

[@blablableep6811]

Spider continues, that's the whole point

[@nushinmalek634]

i wonder why she crushed the card at the end ;-)

[@TheLastCrow5150]

Plot twist: Kurapika stole one of the artifacts. Now Chrollo is unknowingly after Kurapika. TBC...

[@CJJ5269]

Nah phones and Feitan aren’t kicking the bucket from these guys. I’m still lowkey nervous though lol. Moreno and her family are giving very dangerous vibes

[@atramentouseyes4962]

my goat would never

[@nowwhat6716]

I think the card game is just a misdirection from meronna. I think this card game has nothing to do with nen ability but the way ro test the applicant. I don't think there is anyway broksen can fool merona.

[@hampaslupa7651]

I dont think all morena's children played this game without cheating. Borksen's move might be in vain here but we'll see

[@glodazkaloopablenakirium3692]

yes she did

[@notKevinFeige]

She definetly cheated

[@ThusSpokeFlexo]

She cheated. Trust me, i was there

[@nowwhat6716]

I don't think merona can be fooled that easily.

[@ThusSpokeFlexo]

@nowwhat6716 she knew and thought it was funny. The "r" card was swapped with my d pic. Thats why she huggged it in the end