Did DJI Solve the Analog FPV Input latency issues?

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[@MrHauf85]

You can change fov in the digital part of the googles then go back to the AV in, it is all in the DJI Fpv forum on facebook, you should join to get up to date

[@NURKFPV]

ohhhhhhh good to know

[@NURKFPV]

Pinning this so people can see it.

[@MrHauf85]

sorry for the somewhat condescending tone, keep up to good work

[@zimzillakilla]

@@NURKFPV yeah anything bigger than 70% screen size was too much for me. I feel the bigger image is too much information. One more thing, I hooked mine to a immersion gtoundstation and the switching algorithm was too slow and in turn represented itself as frames loss, whereas the same didn't happen on rapidfire.

[@Theo-dj7vs]

NURK a DJI hater...he has to get with the program sooner or later...then he will act like the forever fan.

[@changeagent228]

Analog burns my eyes after using my DJI. 🤣

[@mrvideouploader7]

I can't see the problem. or branches. or anything really...

[@changeagent228]

@@mrvideouploader7 Haha exactly. I have not hit anything accidentally since switching. 😄👍

[@CaptainMavic]

Love the use of the wireless lav! Gives you the freedom to do what you do. Thanks for the info. 😊👍

[@SiamFpv]

Really nice test Nurk thanks for sharing this 🔥

[@FPVHans]

Hey nurk 👋👋👋 Just wanted to tell your that I really like your channel. Saw you earlier this year in drl and thought you are quiet a nice guy. After having watched some of your videos now, I still think you are! Keep it up my friend. Greetings from Germany 🤙🤙🤙 (You also made me want to have a cine whoop the other day 👀)

[@zoltangremsperger5361]

great vid! the fast forward part was cool. I saw your beard growing 👊

[@twigfpv3667]

Awesome video! I'm thinking I'll print up a little box to put a rapidfire reciever into and "side mount," or attach it to the side strap of the dji googles. That way, it'll be one unit to take to the field and I don't have to void the warranty.

[@michaelwayland4421]

Got into fpv 9 months ago. Seemed so much easier, hdo’s, rapid fire, frsky, hawk5, head to the field and start digging holes. (Call before you dig) My buddy started flying los a month ago using my spares and now wants a recommendation. Told him to keep using my stuff until the end of January and hopefully the muddy water will clear up! Thanks for the update and excellent content!

[@dronereviewman9580]

Nice work and Great flying!!! 👍😀👍

[@dmyers9230]

Thank you for your honest review.

[@HuntAndFishExchange]

thanks for the update video - DO you know if the NewBeeDrone Infinity30 F4 Flight Controllers wiring harness to the ESC matches up with the Hobbywing Xrotor ESC?

[@PinchTune]

Very interesting Nurk. I fly Clearview most of the time, I'll try it on my new DJI goggles. I have zero problems with it on HDOs. In fact, I prefer it over my Rapidfire. Maybe not the case on the DJI goggles.

[@enarramore77]

Have you tried to use the OSMO action, IMO it like it better than the 7 or 8 at this time.

[@flaparoundfpv8632]

Did you try the different picture modes in the goggles?

[@scotternst3678]

Thanks for this follow up video! Even though you didn't seem blown away by the av input updates Iike I was really hoping to hear.. at least it's way better. Also... URUAV has a new non-invasive adapter that allows you to stick your module to the outside of your goggles without breaking any warranties. That really sweetens it. That's the route I'll take if I ever fully solve my dji or hdo2 debacle lol. Currently have the dom v3 and rapidfire

[@mdk42o74]

When you do the mod I recommend installing a inline power switch so when you fly digital your anilog modular is not always on and you can use it on your computer for sims

[@MrIvanSuv]

3:00 That hyperlapse was SICK!!!

[@markmanning239]

Insane pilot i’m really hoping you can come up with a DJI Works fix

[@Momfasa]

Hi from someone just getting into this hobby. DJI FPV digital it is then. Thanks for this review.

[@Rcschim]

Thanks for mentioning my tests... At 4:00 you went the extra "mile" to walk towards your set up cam? Almost professional grade KZbinr at work ;)

[@bobbycooper93]

Could some of the differences have been between the rapid fire on your fatshark vs the Clearview connected to the dji goggle. Two different video receivers. Use the Clearview for both the dji and fatshark and see if there is a delay.

[@peregrineflow7354]

Thanks for this.

[@HDgodfrey]

That's why I love dshot beacon! Wouldbe helped finding in the leaves.

[@davidrichardson8394]

Yo Paul! You mentioned flying at that park now in the cold because no one is there, golf courses are great for this and make great footage! Maybe it would get too much attention on your channel idk but a fun fly none the less!

[@gortt7611]

This was super useful, thanks so much! You saved me buying two goggles!

[@tehllama42]

This is the first time I've ever minded the Eagle sharpness over-tune shimmer effect - it's always there and noticeable, but somehow with the higher bitrate through the DVR, I was just seeing it a lot. Interesting... Wasn't as noticeable through the FS DVR, but I don't actually know why. The way clearview does the interlace voting can sometimes do that, but it didn't seem like the only causal reason. I think there's still tons of utility in somebody starting out being able to get DJI for FPV, slap an Eachine/Achilles module on for flying whoops and toothpick setups, but anything larger & heavier get the HD experience. For most pilots, that's just a great setup overall.

[@aldenhauser9555]

tehllama42 yup all u got to do is turn the sharpness down. I do this on all my cameras now

[@jhonsantamaria6337]

Amazing

[@postalbyke]

Gotta set up that motor beeper, bro :D That's how I find my quad without adding anything extra. Maybe this year I'll get the beeper that goes off when the quad stops moving...

[@falz]

my gues is that you have to chang the setting on the cam, so that it looks better. now i have the v2, and orderd a akk modul and the modul bay. i will make a test with the caddx tarsier. but i think the same, it would be awsome to only have to take 1 set of goggles to the field. happy ripping. greatings from germany.

[@Jrod_FPV]

1 - what's with the bouncing osd text in the DJI dvr ? seems much more noticeable in dji vs fatshark dvr. 2 - what's your mic setup for this vid? ++ production quality ! 3 - taking off without a CV lock!? you crazy

[@jasonsuffolkuk]

Does it show full screen view in the goggles?

[@MCsCreations]

Awesome flying, Paul! 😃 Great testing! Thanks! 😃

[@allennickles3970]

The Iflight adapter for the DJI goggles is just a stl print on 3D printer right? Are there a file on thingyverse for it? Just print it Nurk? And ill loan you my Rapidfire for this test?

[@NURKFPV]

I don't have a 3d printer haha

[@allennickles3970]

NURK FPV Well darn I thought you might have one. I was curious if it made a difference with the rapidfire hard wired to the DJI goggles...well I tried..lol

[@Theo-dj7vs]

Who is better NURK or VANOVER?

[@rogueproductions65]

NURK. Thanks to you. Your video of inside the Rotor Riot warehouse. I ended up buying one and I'm going to vlog about my progress in FPV. I have 0 experience in drones other than my 50 flights with my Anafi Parrot. Could you do a box opening of the pre built DJI + squirt option that RR sells?! Once it gets here I'll be lost lol. You the man!

[@NURKFPV]

We'll have to have them send one out!

[@rogueproductions65]

@@NURKFPV haha dude. I'll just come to you. Lol, like I got that power.

[@Pintosonic]

I think that the NTSC de-interlacing doesn't work on the DJI googles because the text from the OSD is jumping up and down. The analog image quality would be much better if de-interlacing would work properly.

[@Pintosonic]

or maybe the problem comes from the clearview receiver

[@swissfreek]

MurphysLaw996 No Bardwell mentioned the same thing and he was using the RapidFire mod.

[@grimfpv292]

The receiver modules doesn't affect the de-interlacing. Unless the fields get reversed, and then it would be pretty much unwatchable anyway.

[@sethchyna]

like why does the gopro need a touch screen just make buttons less complicated = less breakage

[@jtr918]

You seem to have a good comunication channel with DJI... Can you ask them if they have plan to come out with a smaller airUnit solution? Maybe Without Onboard recording and limited to 400mw. It will be greate if they ever come out with something like that.

[@Tetra84]

this.. i want to be able to add this to a micro.

[@samcarmel6975]

You have pretty much convinced me to cancel my Orqa order and get the DJI. I’m just getting into the hobby, rip tiny whoops in the house, and want to get into 5” freestyle. I’m just not sure what to do. Idk if I want two goggles when I could just have one with a minimal difference of latency.

[@bosslitfpv1906]

It will be a long time till there is a whoop sized dji air unit

[@samcarmel6975]

BOSSlitFPV analog mod

[@AgustinMolini]

I currently have the 800ds. Just bought the DJIs and im going to use them on analog for my micros as well. I DEFINENTLY dont want to buy a high end analog goggle along with DJI for digital. One because of not wanting to carry more gear than needed and also because of the money! Btw DJI is still on sale rn for 699

[@samcarmel6975]

Agustin Molini I just ordered a quad and setup from rotor riot :)

[@themechanic6151]

@@AgustinMolini how's the latency on analog for the DJI goggles? I'm thinking about doing same thing. Is it worth it?

[@bernhard8540]

it is a problem for freestyle though .. idk why it wouldn't be unless you freestyle super slow mo and force yourself to just not be snappy and quick with movements.. it was an issue for me when I tried them and all I do is freestyle so maybe if your new or you just like to flow nice and floaty and chill when you freestyle then sure they are probably fine... my buddy is a fan of them, he doesn't think they are the best thing in the world but he can use them just fine but I cant it feels to off for me and my style. so if you dont think they would work for you racing then they wouldn't work any better for freestyle at least not quick and snappy flying style like some of us who have flown for a long time like to do.. there must be this misconception of freestyle as being just slow and chill and relaxing when really once you get bored just flowing around you start pushing yourself to do things that require quick movements just like racing when your turning and flipping at fast fast speeds

[@me3wfpv911]

Bobble head moments in that car drive hahahah

[@t0tobi]

11:05 dude are you using the rode wireless go or what? thats a hell of a range!

[@NURKFPV]

Yep!

[@NURKFPV]

Wait not the wireless go it's the nicer one

[@t0tobi]

NURK FPV okay 👌🏻 i was really wondering, my go has half the range!

[@lockwooddave]

Am I the only one who wants to give @nurkfpv a piece of my mind? Did he say he was really struggling after 2 crashes. If my second crash occurs more than 2.5 minutes after I started flying, I consider that a remarkable day. Congrats. It's not easy being great at anything. I'm great at playing gin Rumi but I take my share of beatdowns from old ladies.

[@fahrvergnuugen]

Tell me about your strap mounted battery for your DJI Goggles...

[@hazardboundband383]

Well, I guess you just answered my question from Yesterday; about if you live in Indianapolis.....Sahms is on 91st St correct?? I have only flown there 1 time due to the number of people. Come out to Greenfield. I am working out a deal with a Real estate company, to use a parcel of land (Approximately 3 Acres of mowed grass with trees that line the boarders). I have a meeting with the Owner Monday. We may be able to install semi-permanent structures to fly around/through. The trees have great gaps to shoot too! The owner is interested in flying Kwads, so I don't think this will be a hard sell. It even has a gravel parking area, that can accommodate 30 vehicles....so possible race/freestyle events??

[@AgustinMolini]

Interesting. I'm also here in Indy. I'll definitely have to stay posted about that!

[@RADERFPV]

Too many variables to consider the results. You need to use the same analog rx on both for it to be apple's to apple's. Fun to watch though.

[@NURKFPV]

Yeah that's what I was trying to get at in the beginning of the episode.. "this won't be scientific" or whatever I said just trying to point out that I am only sharing what I can understand with the time I have

[@MojoPapiFPV]

The 24fps footage in the 30fps timeline looks really jerky. Don't forget to interpolate properly.

[@gryngoladis]

make a tutorial friend, you assembling the drone piece by piece and setting it has as !!!

[@emillianozapatta9005]

Fourth month with DJI. I WILL keep some analog and a pair of Fatsharks but For all new builds and all converting this winter it is 100% DJI YES !

[@retro93277]

Those goggles are as big as the quest lol

[@421mantis]

somehow you took credit for dji reducing latency on analogue. no ego there aye lol. cool

[@NURKFPV]

Did I say that? If we're going to mince words then at least mince them the right way. ;-) my exact words after calling out and linking other community members that have done similar testing we're: "I called... And later it was fixed" in no way did I claim credit.

[@421mantis]

"So, I actually reached out to DJI directly I had a contact there that I had talked to about stuff in the past and I said, hey, I think somethings wrong, can you guys take a look at it. Low and behold a month later a new firmware version comes out and guess what?" Wanna guess??? huh? wanna? LOL.... not hating my man. Just pointing out the obvious ego in the first minute.

[@proxlamuz4591]

@@421mantis I thought the same thing when he said it

[@boardguy1024]

Motor noising is makes me want to flying

[@ArthurKingOne]

Hello, im Arthur from the DJI FPV programmer team. Im working on a new firmware. We want you guys to understand that we listen. Any wishes? Much love Arthur

[@FromAboveAndBeyondChannel]

Like to have this DJI googles by Santa this year and i hope i been nice all year =)

[@steve_beatty]

"nnniinja branch !!!."..lol...

[@mistercohaagen]

Who would've thought all the top guys that get all the free shit would all be wearing DJI Box Goggles in 2020.

[@NURKFPV]

Everyone. I mean something popular comes out we have to try it right?

[@mistercohaagen]

@@NURKFPV "Popular" why exactly? Cause of marketing / bribery budget clout that DJI clearly has, or superior technology... that DJI also has the clout to pull off? Or both / neither. Iunno... feels like a betrayal of sorts. I still worry about the tracking possibilities that DJI left open. And regardless they still suck all the air out of the room for other more open projects. Vendor lock-in is a real corporate tactic, and monopolization kills all the things.

[@houseofadhdandhyperfixatio9432]

@@mistercohaagen you have to activate register kiss hardware and lot of others. Everything can be tracked today so.. As for the lock in if you're worried about it just don't get EM lol. I have fatsharks and DJI and I'm always gonna use both. Dji have money and their system is truly the winner, but nobody forces anyone to get them.

[@MrHauf85]

You should have tried resizing the picture in the dji googles, more like fatshark too me

[@MrHauf85]

@@pirateradioFPV yes, read my other comment

[@airj3411]

Dji - guano , shit !!! Analog -rulezz. Ev800d- rulez!!!

[@aurelhollowgram]

One thing: av OUT! analog by av in, or by usb port please dji !!!! ;) I don't have so much money to buy the dji smart controller .. it will only be a usb to hdmi cable and a firmware update, if you can do it and receive the signal on your googles, why not av or hdmi out via usb ???? it is for broadcast video for others on a screen or live broadcast but not at

[@mistercohaagen]

The Ororo gloves are TERRIBLE!!!! Mittens, sure... but the gloves were awful! I'm about to try that hoodie though, I think.

[@mistercohaagen]

They got a rubber palm material that literally conducts heat away from your hand faster than regular cotton work gloves, or even (wet) Mechanix suede gun gloves. The fingers are like basket-ball player long and skinny despite measuring from their guide. The battery in the cuff was on the inside and pushes against a known pressure point that police use to control suspects when you bend your wrists upward. The electric heating is useless without putting the electric liners into the outer space-suit looking glove where you lose all dexterity and defeat the purpose of having an electric glove (reduction in size). The liners slide inside the outer glove so things like throttle or clutch on a bike or snowmobile become imprecise. The cables inside are clearly not durable to hold up over time either. Such a disaster of a product.

[@invisibleaznDJ]

I want to see someone hook up the googles to a oscilloscope or whatever the machine is called to actually measure latency. I'd like to see the actual numbers. Its like car shit, butt dyno vs actual dyno. Im sure RCSchim will do it.

[@NURKFPV]

See the description for a link to that.

[@Pintosonic]

RCShim did it it's 20ms glass to glass for the DJI googles and 15ms with fatshark googles

[@hallio111]

75ms not really a ton? sorry but to make this statement as a racer, it really sounds like your extremely biased as a DJI user. I don'T want to be that one DJI-hater person, but cmon 75 ms? runcam split v1 has less latency.

[@NURKFPV]

I was hedging my bets against everyone that's like.. "oh come on humans can't even perceive.." blah.blah blah.

[@hallio111]

​@@NURKFPV hm yeah. lol when I first started flying I was shocked, cause in audio-latency terms, everything that is more than 7.5 ms is too much for me... ( atleast thats what my DAW says to me at "global latency"...). but its still noticeable. to those guys saying the perceive stuff... well I think the brain can sense any latency difference really well. everything that is higher than the "natural latency-difference". if youre trained to sync that kind of stuff for years you'll notice any slight difference very fast. it's true that the brain needs some time to interpret the stuff you see. ( think that's what people refer to) but that's exactly what pilots practise for. eyery added ms from your signal adds to your brain processing what you see. I also think steel is right that audio from the quad is also very important. (big letdown from DJI for me). I (personally) think that the brain is more cabable to process audio and "pain" related stuff faster, like movements with the sticks, muscle memory, etc. just IMHO.. also, the better you get, the less important a visual reference is for flying. it's important, but the real good pilots like good "LOS" pilots have the physics kinda implanted in their brain. good fpv pilots also... they know or "feel" exactly what the kwad does. it all happens in the brain, lol:) picture gives just positive feedback:), it's kind of jedi-ish, what we see is not the whole deal of reality kind of...:)

[@WendysNuts4u]

analog on OLED is much better quality than analog on LCD.

[@dctrklein5975]

Thinkin about saving up for this kit. Also why you so damn cute

[@blee04524]

ewww

[@Theo-dj7vs]

NURK = Classic hater of DJI turned Disciple.

[@mrmisterman999]

Why is fpv technology still so shitty

[@poulmartinmller4094]

....some are born tripods; sounds better somehow....your unresponsive touch screen is perhaps 75 percent of the times due to a thin condensation water film building (warm gear cold air)....careful with the fuck-you-shitty-tech-work-now-or-DIE-poking finger.... mine killed a macbook amd two tablets....the tablets deserved it but the macbook hurt my heart badly through my empty wallet...