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#TyrrellP34 #Sabotage #F1

[@MrWhatsHisFace87]

I got excited every time john said "that's a story for another time" because it obviously means more stories from one of the great vinwiki story tellers.

[@mikew735]

I'm very sad I cant find more, i very very much want to hear them.

[@ericheick7044]

He is the best person on this channel, and its not even close

[@denzz8687]

totally wanna hear john talk about how the modern F1 pit stop came to be

[@clevortrevor5121]

same

[@Thors_Garage]

It had to do with when Gordon Murray was working at Brabham (I believe) but he designed a car purely for speed and close second was reliability thus the gap they opened up was enough to do a pit stop (essentially refresh the car) and then go back out and rip around some more. Ferrari would go on to use a very similar race strategy in the early 2000s by way of shear pace over anything to win races.

[@jackbuckleyauto]

Is it just me or should someone do a cannonball run in a tesla semi

[@alterzus]

He may not have quality to tell a story like people here" but is a racecar driver (driver61) channel got some great story and info about many racecars category and the workings around them and one of those is about how Gordon pioneered the pit stop kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHfVg6GYfdaindE

[@blameitonthewhiteguy]

This

[@hgtydjdjdgh67889]

John is my favorite guest and I 100% agree about the obsession of six wheel vehicles

[@salty6pence672]

Same. I even had a 6 wheel Elf slot car as a kid.

[@roodick85]

Easily

[@davidhollenshead4892]

Keep in mind that the UK version of a three-axle commercial truck has four axles with the front two for steering & braking...

[@andycapo9you]

Agree

[@SimplePleasuresMTB]

I used to have this car as a toy🤣

[@jackielinde7568]

"Here is this forty year old man, sitting in a car going 'vroom-vroom-vroom'". This speaks to my heart. Why does this speak to my heart? Oh, yeah, I'd probably do the same if I worked there.

[@mycosys]

never grow up, its a trap

[@musiccylinderK6]

I'm 25 and I make car/motorcycle/boat driving noises + mimicking CONSTANTLY when my mind wanders or whenever I'm riding my bicyle somewhere or even jogging. The looks I get, I have to check myself sometimes! :D

[@anidiotinaracingcar4874]

I would do it in much lesser cars

[@kipdiggs1827]

As a 54-year-old man who still buys Hot Wheels, I feel this. Deeply.

[@robertgrant4501]

I would definitely do that if I worked there.

[@CYMotorsport]

Fun fact 9:12 Fangio was actually first to make the intentional choice to refuel his car and change tyres at the Nürburgring in 57. It just appeared so ineffective, we’d have to wait a quarter century until Murray proved him right

[@mazespinwastaken.]

this guy is a excellent story teller

[@MicroageHD]

Some errors in it but still good.

[@nelsonschumacher7956]

correct - "a story teller" a major error within the opening 2.10 which makes a fan lose interest already . . . if he cannot get the obvious bits about tyrrell and their drivers correct, what hope does he have with the rest?

[@drd1924]

Agreed, I like that he also includes an engineering perspective about everything.

[@VINwiki]

Tomorrow's story is one we have been waiting 2 years to release. We think you'll love it.

[@Habu12]

Does it involve Tanner Faust?

[@FriendsWThoughts]

I love all these stories so tomorrow will also be great!

[@vk849]

Rob Lonman?

[@collinbrummund5925]

What a great Christmas gift VINwiki.

[@TheCannonball79]

You’re not going to make John cry again are you?

[@Elkyblack]

These race history stories are my favorites on the channel. John is a great narrator, you can sense his passion for these.

[@jimz68]

And remember, both Williams and March built cars with four rear tires. The theory was to eliminate the huge rear tires and use four smaller tires to keep the same contact patch without the aero penalty. Great story, John !

[@johnficarra9500]

Thanks! It was a shame the March and Williams never got to race. Don't forget those four-wheels on the rear variants had four-wheel drive back there as well!

[@dr2stroke611]

the March was just a mock-up though. Williams were the closet to running a 6 wheeler.

[@66PHILB]

@@dr2stroke611 No the 2-4-0 was intended as a race car. During the design stage, Wayne Eckersley's custom transmission case looked too pricey so he was told to rub out a lot of the expensive looking strengthening ribs. When the car was first tested, the case flexed, the crownwheels and pinions lost alignment and the transmission broke. March were on a tight budget plus they were making production F1 cars as well as running the factory team so the concept was pushed to the back burner. Ironically it was March's financially most successful car because Scalextric produced a slot-car model and it sold like hot cakes! The 2-4-0 was their regular 761 or 771 fitted with the 4 wheel rear end so the car was converted back to a 4-wheeler and raced. Roy Lane used the 6-wheeler in the British Hillclimb Championship with some success and the work he and Hewland did on the March fed into Williams' later research for the FW07D & FW08B.

[@chrislaing7153]

A friend of my family was the team photographer for Williams when they were at Station Rd in Didcot. I remember the evening (actually 2am) when he was called to the factory to do the RACMSA registration photos for the 6 wheeler.. He phoned my Dad to be his assistant that night. At breakfast, my Dad just said to me - You will not believe what the new car looks like. Frank took Don's photos (Studio Atlanta, Didcot) to the RAC first thing in the morning, got it registered and then Patrick and the team rolled it out for testing at Silverstone at about 10am. Patrick was telling dad that his theory was that, by reducing the frontal area, he could get 20mph extra on the straights. What he was explaining was that he wanted to see in testing what it would be like in corners. He was expecting ground effects to be better due to the longer wheelbase, but that the wheelbase would affect turn-in.

[@simonkevnorris]

Williams did have a running six wheel (four wheels at the rear) but they never raced it. I'm sure the car was run at the Goodwood Revival one year.

[@steckelton717]

Petition for John to tell stories about "Gods Middle Finger" (The DFV he touched on here) and the infamous Fan Car, as an F1 Nerd, I'd love for John to introduce the VINwiki crowd to those! :D

[@RohitKashyap02]

"But that's another story " Hes gonna be an amazing grandpa.

[@seanthompson258]

A consipiracy is covid 19 it doesnt make sense you lock the world down for something that is nothing worse than the flu????????????? 99.8% of people get it and recover no problem!!??? no big deal why lock the world down for something that is less harmful than the flu, the cure cannot be worse than virus!!! this is the part that doesnt make sense. I would say there is a hidden agenda here, which is a global conspiracy think about it!!!??? A bit strange why Gates who is not a doctor is pushing for the world to be vaccinated???? I have heard Nano chips can be put into syringes, hmmmm sounds pretty dangerous to me!!! WAKIE TIME PEOPLE think for yourself before we are taken over from within!

[@RohitKashyap02]

@@seanthompson258 didn't asked but ok.

[@andi36356]

Interestingly enough there were 3 other 6 wheeled F1 prototypes that never ended up racing. The March 2-4-0 and Williams FW08B had the extra wheels at the rear of the car and even Ferrari experimented with the 312T6 where the extra wheels were also at the rear, but next to each other like on a dually truck.

[@jamess5415]

The P34 was my favorite race car as a kid. People didn’t believe me years ago when i used to talk about it, they thought i was making it up. So refreshing hearing others talk about it. Wish i could have lunch in one!

[@astronomenov99]

I built the Tamiya model kit of the P34. I got in trouble for blowing a month's pocket money on it!

[@Turbo_The_Femboy_Fox]

Damn, I know how that feels. In 6th grade, I was talking about a Ford F-250. Another classmate said, “No such thing, there’s only the F-150”. I said, “No, Ford F-250s and F-350s exist.” They tried to convince me that the F-150 is the only truck that exists. They denied me pointing out all the Ram and Silverado 1500, 2500, and 3500s existing. California is full of idiots.

[@saguarotreker]

I was in a San Fernando chapter of the Civil Air Patrol who got asked to usher for the 1977 Long Beach Grand Prix. I was assigned to a set of bleachers at the inside of turn one. Got to see Mario Andretti in his JPL Lotus AND both of the P34s. What an amazing day for a 16 year old. Incidentally Mario led the race for most of the day. Then on last lap his JPL Lotus lost 4lbs of air pressure in a front tire. This allowed the eventual winner to pass. I was bummed. *edit: time and memory are not always kind partners. I went and checked, Mario won that day, and its coming clear that it was the 4lb pressure loss that allowed Mario to make his pass on the last lap. Actually found a video of the race, wow, surreal. **2nd edit. That race was LOUD! Echoing off the buildings in Long Beach. I've been to Metallica shows and they don't even come close to how loud these cars were.

[@EdBolian]

Episode 4 of the Car Trek Christmas Special comes out today at noon Eastern on Tavarish's channel.

[@thicctomato4977]

Aight bro Thanks!

[@henrycollins2478]

Can’t wait to watch it

[@PiersLawsonBrown1972]

I love listening to John tell stories, the silky smooth voice over man tones mixed with excellent story telling, brilliant

[@jonasthemovie]

”... at the swedish grand prix....” Those were very different times.

[@steckelton717]

Ah, talking about Sweden and F1 - that time Abba sponsored and F1 car and their Drummer freaking drove it.

[@bobmcl2406]

@@steckelton717 I do not remember that story! Any links, please?

[@jonasthemovie]

@@bobmcl2406 British Grand Prix 1981. Slim Borgudd scored one point.

[@bobmcl2406]

@@jonasthemovie thank you so much! As both an F1 fan and an ABBA fan, I am surprised I did not know this story. In fact, Slim Borgudd had quite a racing career: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slim_Borgudd

[@davidkuhn3970]

Every time I see John, inside my head is thinking “This can be red”.

[@teamkingburrous7537]

“SHE SAID IT AGAIN!”

[@derekwynn1452]

I love the story of this car.

[@rodrigodepierola]

"I'm not saying Ferrari did it, I'm also not saying Ferrari didn't do it."

[@Loulovesspeed]

@Rodrigo de Pierola - Ferrari made a 6 wheeler, but with 4 rear wheels rather than 4 front ones. The car was tested several times but never raced.

[@hazy33]

@@Loulovesspeed Here's a great article about it: www.unracedf1.com/312t6-ferrari-lost-six-wheeler/

[@rodrigodepierola]

@@Loulovesspeed Williams, too.

[@Loulovesspeed]

@@rodrigodepierola - Correct.

[@Loulovesspeed]

@@hazy33 Thanks, that was a good clip!

[@joshuagibson2520]

I'll take some Ficarra for an early Xmas present. Thank you.

[@pheuker45322]

John Ficarra perplexes me in that he can look different each time we see him - how does one have young skin and old facial hair?

[@johnficarra9500]

I perplex myself when I look in the mirror sometimes.

[@Jonathan_Doe_]

Moisturise

[@pheuker45322]

Haha - @@johnficarra9500 I’m loving the content- you’re a wealth of knowledge!

[@francoisfranceschini7947]

He creeps me out sometimes and I couldnt put my finger on it, its the fact that he always looks different. And he looks young but old at the same time. Amazing Story teller though

[@seanthompson258]

A consipiracy is covid 19 it doesnt make sense you lock the world down for something that is nothing worse than the flu????????????? 99.8% of people get it and recover no problem!!??? no big deal why lock the world down for something that is less harmful than the flu, the cure cannot be worse than virus!!! this is the part that doesnt make sense. I would say there is a hidden agenda here, which is a global conspiracy think about it!!!??? A bit strange why Gates who is not a doctor is pushing for the world to be vaccinated???? I have heard Nano chips can be put into syringes, hmmmm sounds pretty dangerous to me!!! WAKIE TIME PEOPLE think for yourself before we are taken over from within!

[@joarholmstrom6251]

The Tyrrel P34 is my favorite F1 car of all time. Pure engineering madness!

[@codya4593]

You have some of the best stories on Vin wiki I love hearing the history of these old race cars and loopholes in the craziness that one on and I always look forward to your next one

[@PizzaBoyRacing]

Since I layed my eyes on the 6 wheeled tyrell as a kid I fell in love with its design. Great story, always love hearing a story from Mr.Ficarra

[@charlesedwards6550]

Love John's videos, there are a lot of " thats a different story" 's to get to!

[@fokjohnpainkiller]

One of the few likeable guys you host, much like Casey. I'd be nice to have him more often

[@drewwrobel564]

I see it's a John Ficarra story and the song "Simply the Best" starts playing in my head . . .

[@danielsadler4435]

I wish I had 10% of John's story telling ability. That guy knows how to spin a yarn.

[@kleinbottled79]

I have a vague memory of my first time seeing a picture of this car. Mostly the sense incredulity that it could have been an actual real competitive F1 car. It looked, and still looks, like pure science fiction. Something someone would imagine for a movie maybe.

[@yostr1]

I love the story teller’s passion about the history of racing! Very informative and engaging!

[@panzer9976]

Great piece of historical information, I loved that car and watched it race at Watkins.. John stated that Tyrrell needed new drivers after their driver quite in 1971. In actuality, Ken Tyrrell, owner of Tyrrell Racing needed two new drivers for 1974 because Jackie Stewart retired from driving at the end of 1973 and François Cevert was killed at the 1973 season finale in the United States. The team signed Jody Scheckter and Patrick Depailler. Tyrrell and Jackie Stewert won the 1969, 1971 and 1973 F1 championships.

[@danielkoontz6732]

1:51 XD AAAHHHH I laughed so hard! 40 year old man going vroom vroom vroom

[@commandohazelnuts]

About 1 year ago, I did some restoration work on a dream car of mine, a Mercedes Benz 190e 2.3-16 Cosworth, and the video I took of myself sitting in it was very childish.

[@superhoss95]

I love John! 100% my favorite guest on the channel. So smart and knowledgeable about race cars and classic race cars.

[@jakek6728]

We need all of the "but thats another story" stories mentioned in this video! PLEASE!

[@utdpkg38]

Ficarra is looking fit. Good work, bud!

[@daricarlisle6340]

Thanks for bringing John back, this was a fascinating story and he hinted there's more, so keep em coming.

[@stirfryjedi]

Thanks VinWiki & Mr. Ficarra, looking forward to hearing the Pit Stop story from you!

[@DIOSpeedDemon]

This guy is a GREAT COMMENTATOR. Breaks down the F1 racing cars to the General public , Brilliantly. Provides who, what, when, how and maybe, Perfectly spoken. This guy should do a video series of F1 History with all the little ins and outs of the Racing Game at that high levels. Great Video and RESPECT!!! RH DSD KING DIO

[@Jared-C]

Further reinforces the idea that 1976 was THE best year for F1. On top of all the drama that was going on between Lauda and Hunt, you had things like this going on that would've been a headliner if it weren't for all the other craziness going on. Great story.

[@Hogiewan1]

John's stories are always entertaining!

[@jabbasan12]

I remember watching the P34 race when I was a kid. Great trip down memory lane! Thank you!

[@rahulsudhir666]

Absolutely love John's stories! Havin access to super n hypercars is one thing. Havin access to Bruce Canepa's fleet is an all different ball game. That dude is freakin awesome!

[@aronk5099]

If Ferrari was Apple, they’d now use that fact to advertise themselves as environmentally friendly company that already back in the day advocated for the revolutionary concept of 4 instead of 6 tires to reduce microplastic in the F1 Industry.

[@kentbeitel9966]

This is my favorite guest! John is ozzing with automotive knowledge and history! I love his enthusiasm! It’s super inspiring. Keep up the great work vinwiki and John! 👊🤙👌

[@MountainSlayers]

One of my favorite automotive lore stories!

[@Xylotonic]

You literally couldn't have viewed the whole vid 2 minutes after it was put online.

[@paulcarmi8130]

@@Xylotonic no, but donut and Drive tribe both told this story months ago, so some of us actually already knew this story, like myself. If you're gonna be a dick, at least do a good job.

[@tony66au]

Every time Ficarra comes on VinWiki I am entertained and informed. Love his stories!

[@helmuttdvm]

It’s always fun to hear the backstories. Seeing this car in person at the Canepa Museum was definitely a high point of our visit to a California for the Porsche Parade.

[@bmf97ss1]

Great story! I love the mid 70s to mid 80s F1 cars. That was a great era with so many different awesome machines.

[@Tebbylous]

Honestly, these racing stories are amazing. Even though I know the majority of what's being talked about beforehand I'm just completely hooked on having John tell it.

[@karllundin5608]

As a swede in the 70s Ronnie Petterson was the national hero and he drove one of those 6 wheelers. As a kid I had a die cast of that car and the wheels turned. So cool!

[@Black_Jesus3005]

Always with the detailed stories. Thanks John

[@5150_Designs]

I love these stories this channel tells. Such incredible stories

[@robddickinson4217]

Fascinating interview! Many thanks for posting, great vid.

[@l.w.c.2519]

Would love to hear as many Formula 1 stories as you could possibly find!! It’s my favorite sport.

[@bigheadache]

The first time I saw the idea of a 6 wheel f1 car was when I was a child on an epsiode of Astroboy (Robio and Robiet), never realising it was inspired a real car. That's how advanced this car was that they put it into a science fiction cartoon set in the future. Thanks alot for putting this video up and sharing the story of such an amazing car.

[@stevendominguez5517]

Please do another one on the invention of the pit stop! This guy is awesome!

[@georgesedwardh461]

This guy should have his own series with VinWiki Auto History

[@violinmiata]

Always my favorite stories! John could talk about anything and I’m all ears

[@makinwaves8147]

Aah John, an excellent linguist of automotive stories and obsessor of six wheeled automobiles. Quite the interesting gentleman if I do say so! I may just have to take a sit and listen for a little while... hmmm, interesting indeed! It’s of not just an automotive story, or even a six wheeled automobile, BUT BOTH!! Most exciting indeed! I’m happy for the sit and listen, thank you VinWiki!

[@mikecolie9290]

I remember seeing the car race at the Long Beach Grand Prix. It was amazing to see it run! We had garage passes and got to stand next to it and it was beautiful. I knew they went away because of tire development but didn't know the behind the scenes dealing going on at that time.

[@sujon6058]

FiCARra has car built in his name👌 as always insane storytelling ❤️

[@280zone]

Fascinating insight, thank you for sharing this.

[@FriendsWThoughts]

I love these stories! (Haven't fully watched it but it always very interesting!)

[@michaelimperato9125]

Love this guys stories

[@one8s7n]

Awesome! Never even heard of this car before. I'd love to hear about the lotus sometime

[@johnmontag]

John and John from Curated, tell the best stories. I could listen to both of them for hours

[@jeffroberge]

As a kid of the ‘80s, I was first introduced to the Tyrell via Transformers - Stunticon Dragstrip. It wasn’t until the Internet age that I realized the car was actually based on a real life race car. I always thought it was so cool with the 6 wheels but the fact that the car in fact exists makes it even cooler. Thanks for this little history lesson on this awesome vehicle!

[@Lt_Tragg]

I was a young GI, stationed in Germany, 1976 and managed to be at the old Nürburgring for the German Grand Prix. What a thrill to see Jody Schecter take 2nd in the Tyrell! It was only 2 or 3 yrs prior at Watkins Glen seeing him battle it out against Mark Donahue in the brutally fast 917 spiders in the Can Am series. Sadly Nikki Lauda (the come back kid) had his crash at this race. I have framed B&W 8 x12 prints of the Tyrells in pursuit behind the 911 safety car.

[@mace1367]

Need more of this guy

[@daverussell457]

01:42 - "I would sneak up at lunch and sit in it". So that's where the bread crumbs in the cockpit came from!

[@8kigana]

John Ficarra says "So I want to talk about one of my favourite race cars of all times", mean while I want to talk about one of my favourite guests on this show of all times,,,,John Ficarra no doubts, in my opinion he's a great story teller and a treasure trove of information on formula one racing.

[@squid_fish]

Cool engineering history/story 👌🏽

[@bicyclist2]

The Tyrell P34 also got some valuable screen time in the movie Rush. Thanks.

[@nooblangpoo]

other teams: innovates ferrari: Swiggity Swooty, I'm gonna ban that thingy.

[@Snowmirage6453]

This was awesome! I would love to see a series talking through the history of a race series from year to year from an engineering perspective.

[@philiptownsend4026]

That would be brilliant. But there would be an awful lot of it...

[@bicyclist2]

I've always loved the P34 ever since I saw pictures of it in car magazines in the early 80's. I love the Covini C6W as well. I also love the Mercedes G63 AMG 6X6. Thanks.

[@colinboniface194]

I saw the engineering drawings for this 6 wheeler in the off season prior to it's launch. Northern hemisphere off season. I was working for a race car designer in New Zealand who was sent a copy for his opinion and input... He came into our smoko room and said "Ok boys, can you keep a secret", and unrolled a set of plans for this amazing looking 6 wheeled race car. We were all gob smacked... I think I was 17 years old back then... George Begg. Formula 5000 designer and constructor...

[@rembrandtqeinstein8652]

Definitely more stories like this!

[@BadApe351]

The P34 is my all time favourite F1 car. It was the car that actually got me interested in F1 back then - because it was unique. The theory that certain rival teams may have felt threatened enough to sabotage it to me are quite plausible. As you say John we will never see such outside-the-box thinking in F1 ever again. Thanks so much for a brilliant video. Just subscribed.

[@joeclarke9782]

Excellent interview and history.

[@miguelacosta4509]

Yup... Awesome story teller!! No doubt !!

[@ianelliott229]

Such impressive knowledge and analysis!

[@brenanconroy4052]

So something else that also explains Goodyear not wanting to develop the tires, 1976 Goodyear basically had F1 to themselves. 1977, Michelin decides to come back into F1 with Renault and then get bigger as the years go on. Goodyear doesn't want do develop tires for 1 team when now they have to fight for their tire dominance in F1

[@ariel340]

I love Fincarra's tales, a true car historian.

[@Tclans]

Great story of an equally great yet obscure car. Thanks for sharing that was an amazing story!

[@spiffyg4939]

Master storyteller. More of this, please.

[@alvaronunesdesousa878]

One of my favourite F1 cars, driven by Patrick Depailler, Ronnie Peterson and Jody Scheckter.... Ferrari and McLaren ended up dominating those seasons but that car was every kid's favourite... great video!

[@GasketManzrevenge]

I remember seeing an article in Popular Mechanics. This car fascinated me.. didn't help my grandma sitting me down as a kid to watch F1 racing with her.

[@markwalks4205]

Story time with John are my Favorite episodes!

[@MattyK166]

What a totally engaging interview. I share his passion for the car. Fascinating insights. Thanks!

[@elkabongg2716]

It was highly entertaining watching Ronnie Peterson wrestle it round Silverstone as it rapidly switched between understeer and oversteer. The description of how the wheelbase changed gives a good explanation for that.

[@66PHILB]

Fantastic video John! Please do a video on Williams' F1 FW07D & FW08B 6 wheelers of 1981 & '82. There's a lot to say about their origin, the whole ground effect thing, the politics involved in it being outlawed and the fact the 4 wheel version of FW08 won the Drivers' championship in '82. Throw in a piece on the March 2-4-0 6 wheeler and its right up your 6-wheel alley!

[@ToppedOut]

I wanna hear about this lotus turbine car

[@ThePapaja1996]

you meen brabham bt46

[@AbrahamArthemius]

You mean the one with a fan? That's a Brabham. Gordon Murray said that he knew about the loophole and already guess that that implementation was right on the edge of the regulation and though very effective during the race the system itself is very crude.

[@ToppedOut]

@@AbrahamArthemius That’s cool and all but I would like know more about the awd system and how the idea came about, who designed it and the drive train.

[@dingrey]

@@ThePapaja1996 no I think he meant the lotus turbine in this video.turbine engine not turbine suction.

[@MrSstiel]

Great video. Another thing, the car had a yellow stripe on the livery because there was a plan it would be powered by a Renault turbo-engine.

[@ozeskiman]

Loved that story. I recall seeing one at the London Car Show a few years back. Owned by Richard Mille, I think. Such a revolutionary car when it first came out. Still looks wild.

[@zrspangle]

Ferrari looking at the Tyrell: **This can be red**

[@ReverendBow]

John is the best storyteller and his historical knowledge is outstanding

[@michaelmccarthy4615]

They wanted to go big with small wheels. Unintentional pun....

[@bryandickerson5365]

Nicely done! One interesting point: John said Tyrrell won the F1 championship in 1971 but I’m thinking, “what about 1973”? All these years I had failed to understand that even though Stewart won the driver’s championship in ‘71 and ‘73, Tyrrell only won the manufacturers title in 1971. Then I looked at the ‘72 season wondering why Jackie/Tyrrell missed that title. Stewart completely missed the ‘72 Belgian GP because of............gastritis. Turns out he was burning the candle SO hard in ‘71-‘72, racing so many cars all over the world, doing media stuff, etc that he kinda trashed his body. There is a great video of Stewart coming out of retirement for a few laps in ‘76 to drive a few laps in the six-wheeler - fun stuff!

[@alexelber2003]

John Ficarra always has amazing stories