Did God Ordain Evil RC Sproul, Al Mohler, Ravi

[@HJM0409]

No, we know what good is because he writes His law on our hearts and He tells us in His word what is good. He does NOt ordain, decree, determine, or even tempt us to sin. We must never fall into the trap that we can’t understand what God has actually revealed to us.

[@DavidEmailman]

You're right. God did not choose people's sin and bad behavior. God can't do evil.

[@2wheelz3504]

If we cannot understand what is good, how can we do that which is good? How can we know that God is good? How can we discern between righteousness and sin? It seems these men begin with a false premise and attempt to build a case upon it. They act like it should make perfect sense while the rest of us are thinking, "Huh!" There are Scriptural admonitions against calling evil good and good evil (Isa 5:20).

[@HJM0409]

I guess Ravi’s confusion of good and evil caught up with him. What you did Ravi was evil and brought shame.

[@davevandervelde4799]

It is good Ravi is in this video, since it proves Sprouls point perfectly. What Ravi did was 100% Ravi and 100% evil. And the God of the Bible decreed that it would be allowed to happen. God could have at any point prevented anything Ravi did from happening but choose not to. Ravi's victim's can be 100% sure that the God of the Bible is just and will punish evil. Unless Ravi repented of his sin, he will now 100% know that too. The victims can also trust that God will be the loving and healing God who they can turn to as He promised. God can use this for good also if He chooses to do so in their lives. I had 5 of Ravi's books and watched him alot. Threw out all the books and until today had not seen him on a video. Ravi was also not a Calvinist.

[@the1der]

He also was often never quoting Scripture as a reference or spring board but rather a psychological quote or psuedo wisdom without biblical assertions.

[@ZambianZebras]

What is Isaiah saying in 5:20 if evil is good and God ordained?

[@Music-zm5bi]

I thought God has defined evil in His law.

[@appointedaday]

Calvinism's god is a liar

[@arcanum3882]

⁠@@appointedadaylol, so the Bible’s God is a liar

[@Mike-qt7jp]

Jesus Himself said, "Unless you repent, you likewise will perish." Sounds like a choice to me. In Deuteronomy God said, " I have set before you, life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore, CHOOSE life, that you and your offspring may live..." Again, that is God Himself telling us to CHOOSE. In 1st John 1:9 it says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins..." NOTICE it doesn't say "when we confess" which would be the case in a Calvinist view, but "if" implying a choice. Hebrews 11:6 says, "...without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him." Again, you can't read this and not see that God is calling us CHOOSE to draw near to Him and seek Him. Acts 16:311 says, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” Why would that verse even be in the Bible if it is already decided who will be saved? John 3:16-17 says, "“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that WHOEVER believes in him should not perish but have eternal life." It does NOT say ONLY the ones God has chosen will have eternal life. Look, I know there are many scriptures that talk of God predestining this or that, but it is based on His FOREKNOWLEDGE. That means there is a reason why He predestines. It is not just arbitrary, as is the case with Calvinism. Jeremiah 19:5 says, “They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal-something I did NOT COMMAND or mention, nor did it enter my mind.” 2nd Peter 3:9 says, “The Lord is…not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentance.” and yet, it also has Jesus saying, "Broad is the road that leads to destruction (hell) and many are on it, but straight and narrow is the road that leads to life (Heaven) and few ever find it." So, while God is not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance and be saved, many, in fact, most are not. This is irrefutable proof that God’s will is NOT always being done.

[@TheApologeticDog]

I dont think you have ever understood Calvinism because it affirms that man has choice...

[@davevandervelde4799]

@@TheApologeticDog Exactly.

[@DavidEmailman]

Excellent statements about this. You have studied well and seem to know the Bible and the scriptures on this. I think you do know about Calvinism and that you do understand it very well.

[@renlamomtsopoe]

I love Al's answer

[@appointedaday]

Really? Because Als answer actually says Gods is a liar and disingenuous, Because God defines good and evil in his word, that is where we get the moral standard from in the first place

[@renlamomtsopoe]

@@appointedaday explain

[@appointedaday]

@@renlamomtsopoe Not really sure what you want me to explain God states what is righteousness and what is wickedness, and claim to be righteous, Your boy said its just that we have a wrong perception of good and hold God up to what is our perception we do not as Christians' have an arbitrary Idea of whats good we have Gods word here is one a perfect example God siad he has NO partiality there is no partiality in him he said he will Judge each man according to his own deeds, These principals are soo many times repeated throughout the whole word and not only that we have them repeated from Jesus, Peter Paul John and James in fact he states he HATES partiality, and even slams Israel for saying it is unfair for him to judge each man according to their OWN deeds And he even said he is NOT a man and CANNOT lie Yet Calvinist like every one on that stage claim God is a God of partiality and will NOT judge each according to their own own deeds But rather they will be judged based on weather or not he choose them from before the beginning of time having nothing to do with their deeds

[@davevandervelde4799]

Me too. He is a very wonderful and gifted teacher.

[@ethanmulvihill7177]

@appointedaday-ur6st This sounds like more of a misunderstanding of the gospel than a misunderstanding of Calvinism. If God judged us according to our works we would all be hellbound. It's only through the imputation of Christ's righteousness and by His atonement for our sins that we can be saved. If you think election interferes with that, that's a misunderstanding of Calvinism, but let's get it straight that Christianity is not about being good so that God lets us into heaven.

[@JamesDirette]

What a load of nonsense

[@DavidEmailman]

I'd say Dr Bruce Little, Dr Kraay, Dr Frank Turek, Leighton Flowers, Dave Hunt, Charles Stanley and many others got this right and they don't agree with Sproul whatsoever on this.

[@davevandervelde4799]

All those men got it wrong. Free will does not explain it period. Theologically or logically. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYayo3mAlMqphaM

[@roberthart6434]

Turek, Flowers, Hunt, Stanley, and Little also dont agree with the Bible on this.

[@quinnpeterson2716]

What? All of them affirm that God allows evil for no reason other than freewill! What a silly answer. You’re saying that when I get to heaven and ask God why members of my family were raped He’s going to say, “I just had so much respect for that man’s freewill?” I believe God only allows evil He has a greater purpose for because He is free to allow, restrain, redirect or redeem any and every evil intention.

[@DavidEmailman]

@@quinnpeterson2716 It's a good question and I think that there is a combination of reasons. A number of reasons might exist for this more than one or two including the one you stated.