Did Jaime Lannister know about the Red Wedding?

Did Jaime Lannister know about the Red Wedding? Was he involved? A deep dive into both the "A Song of Ice and Fire" books as well as the show "Game of Thrones"
This video is both an analysis of events from past seasons of HBOs "Game of Thrones" as well as Game of Thrones Season 8 theories and Game of Thrones Season 8 predictions.
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[@wukongmain2075]

This makes me feel like Jamie on the throne wouldn't be a terrible thing and upon further thinking of that it makes sense. He'd be nice. As long as cersei is no longer alive to corrupt her dear brother.

[@bridge4]

He'd be a great king. I foresee him as hand to Tyrion and Sansa:)

[@wukongmain2075]

@@bridge4 Best hand to the king -- One willing to slay said king if they ever go mad and try to wipe out the city. Protecting the king from the people and the people from the king.

[@wukongmain2075]

@Musta Krackish He generally cares about the people though, How many kings can say that?

[@bridge4]

As a huge admirer of ser jaime, I'm with ya :))

[@wukongmain2075]

@@bridge4 Hes a good guy born into a corrupt family and has struggled to stay true to his heart. Imagine if he was born a Stark? A lot of the bad about him suddenly wouldn't have happened.

[@95MidnightStar]

"What was the name of that bastard he fathered?" "Brienne" "No, that wasn't it" Still one of the best freaking moments ever.

[@bridge4]

I'm so with u. I loved that quick lil line

[@95MidnightStar]

@@bridge4 I really missed this "funny asshole Jaime'', he was so savage and it was gold. But he's never stopped being that in the books and it's glorious, especially since he's my favorite character ever. I felt a bit of old him returning in the Epic Oath Sex scene for a moment there, and I loved it.

[@arinerm1331]

Kev: "The less people who know, the better chance of keeping a secret." Stannis: "Fewer."

[@smithatkinson9962]

LOL

[@Ilfrinco]

beat me to it

[@sebastianlagos8292]

This comment needs more likes

[@hockeyking30]

Kev: What?

[@jessieBird96]

And, I'm dying xD

[@Veneficus1996]

I was hoping you would include Jaime's and Walder frey's dialogue where lord Walder says that they are both kingslayers. Jaime mocks Walder because he killed people unhonorably.

[@bridge4]

I also forgot to include the bit of tarly holding the red wedding against Jaime in s7

[@ashthomas5827]

All Walder Frey did his whole life is sit in a castle and tax people for wanting to pass through The Twins.... he's always had to rely on alliances and others protecting him to get through life and his sons are hardly anything close to what you could call warriors... I thought it was hilarious when Jaime mocked him because it was totally deserved - The Lannisters never really needed the Freys, Walder Frey and his legion of grubs were just a means to an end

[@ashthomas5827]

@@bridge4 why congratulations? Ps i really like the content of your channel so ive decided to subscribe and make you my *NEW* go -to channel for all my GoT info.. you probably won't reply as I would imagine you're super busy but thought I'd just give you the heads up!!

[@bridge4]

Thanks, ash!

[@Packitagain.]

@@ashthomas5827 I almost completely agree except that Lord Frey did have a sizable garrison that's the entire reason Rob cowtowed to him after breaking his oath. Also Frey was quite fond of the marriage alliances since he had many children

[@kimberlyterasaki4843]

4:55 "His father, King Aerys." Whelp, either that's a slip of the tongue or Joanna Lannister has some explaining to do.

[@bluerooster2933]

Ser Kev you keep out doing yourself Jamie had always been my favorite character even as he pushed Bran out of the window. Your Jamie videos point out so much stuff you I never even thought about. Keep up the good work

[@bridge4]

thanks, Blue! as you know i'm with ya. i was late to the game, but im totally Team Jaime. he's friggen awesome =))

[@bridge4]

side note, as i always say, "i'm no ser." #freefolk !!

[@bridge4]

Wife? You mean wives. They say hello

[@bridge4]

Lol

[@bridge4]

Helps in the cold

[@sadjklf]

Dude, so many videos of you in a short period of time, so nice :D

[@bridge4]

=))) i have up on sleeping lol

[@ladystark1959]

I am so glad I watched this. I tend to miss some of these important things and your grasp of Jaime's character rings true with me. Your conclusions totally make sense. Thank you for your channel. I am learning so much!

[@ApparentlyHuman]

I can’t believe I didn’t find your channel until now!! These are amazing!

[@bridge4]

Thanks, Catherine :))

[@SoggyMoppenheimer]

He's the best in the biz. No point in debate. He kills efficiently and cleanly.

[@SoggyMoppenheimer]

Kevin, I mean. Not Southpaw Lannister.

[@hughdongnomy]

Your joke delivery was seamless & hilarious ~

[@bridge4]

Which ones, Jaime jokes?? He's a funny dude. That was great writing by show writers. And great acting of couse. Nicholai is a stud

[@hughdongnomy]

@@bridge4 "He got a kick out of his squire naming his horse Honor" ~ cut to Brienne quote // even if it's not your joke, your presentation of it via your editing was great.

[@inasaira8380]

my interpretation was that roose was mocking robb. its sending him a long over due message that means nothing now that he's murdered him. thats like telling someone saying "hey rick, just so you know, bob said to he's coming over for dinner" while theyre at dinner and bob is already two feet away from rick.

[@jernie9384]

Killer video, my guy. You voice is very comforting

[@wildflower5888]

I’m binging tonight. I finally have WiFi and I’m catching up. We are dry camping in the valley and we have no service....we love camping like this....no WiFi sucks! Ciao for now!😉

[@bridge4]

Have fun :))

[@TJW531]

Great video! I always noticed his disappointment when Ned was stabbed from behind.

[@cateyes3813]

Yes... just rewatching seasons 1 through 7 and want to clarify something - did Jaime ultimately order the massacre at the Red Wedding? He said to Roose Bolton that the “Lannisters send their regards” and when it becomes apparent things aren’t good at the wedding, The Rain of Castameres is played. Did Jaime order this?

[@niveks8384]

Kev, you are on fire, man! Loving it, brother.

[@bridge4]

Thanjs, brotha!

[@bridge4]

Thanks*

[@voteZDLR]

It's one of those things IDK if it even warrants a video. Tywin absolutely colluded with the Freys to get rid of a mutual enemy. At that point I think Walder Frey simply realized the North's cause was likely not worth crossing Tywin over, and then on top of that Walder Frey took it personally that Robb Stark felt like he could marry someone else instead completely breaking the vow that was made, pissing off the one ally he could not afford to lose under any circumstances. Robb Stark, brilliant tactician and field general but a moron when it came to the most simple diplomacy. But Jaime himself had no idea what they were up to, when he says "Send Robb Stark my regards" it was mainly because Roose was still supposedly under Robb Stark's command and he had essentially just been freed by a Northman on his way to the Red Wedding where he knew Robb Stark would be, even if it wasn't his wedding anymore. He had no idea Robb and his entire army/family would be murdered like that.

[@reddishf0x237]

I always wondered why Lady Cat didn't jump in to protect Robb, and offer to marry Walder Frey for breaking his oath. Imagine how much of the story would have changed if she did.

[@bridge4]

think walder frey would have accepted?

[@reddishf0x237]

@@bridge4 if only to become the warden of the north, to lay claim to Winterfell.

[@philh2453]

Except that she is of no value, marrying her would not gain walder anything, she is not the heir to anything and he would not take over her role so it would not happen and wouldn't change anything.

[@reddishf0x237]

@@philh2453 it would have been included in the promise of marriage. He would hold Winterfell until it passed down to Robb after his death. She would have been desperate, and promised him anything to save Robb's life.

[@philh2453]

@@reddishf0x237 The second Ned's head came off Winterfell belonged to Robb, he was 16 so old enough if he was 5 then the story would be different. What Walder wants is a grandchild heir to either Winterfell (and at that point the Kingdom of the North) or settle for an heir to Riverrun. Cat and her children are further behind the line of heirs to Riverrun, first it goes to Edmure (which is why walder wants him) and if Edmure died without a child then it would pass to Black Fish, if they then accepted a female heir like the Targs did in the past then Cat would pass being heir to Riverrun to her son Robb. Sorry not trying to come off wrong, its just the rules of succession that they follow. That and Walder is Married at that point so he couldn't easily remarry without a bunch of trouble to get an annulment.

[@judywright4241]

I started this absolutely believing Jaime knew and it hinges on that ‘regards’ comment, but all the evidence is there. You laid it out like a trial judge, whoa! Excellent job🕯

[@dwolfel19]

4:58: "Jamie killed his father, King Areys". ... I think you misspoke my friend.

[@travelssrb]

Great analysis! The Baird's send their regards! 😉

[@bridge4]

Thankd, Shawn! :))

[@estelleaustin9205]

One meeting that I am looking forward to is that of Arya and Jamie. Arya is supposed to be smart. She should have been able to piece together quite a few important parts of Jamie's story - from her first encounter with Brienne who carries Lannister gold and was honest about it, and events at the Frey's that she witnessed - facial expressions (she is basically a mind reader) and actions (Jamie didn't drink the toast - in fact he didn't drink at all in the scene). Perhaps this influenced the way she carried out her massacre? If any of the Freys had been unwilling to toast the red wedding massacre, they would not have been poisoned. Also with Little Finger's dagger that she now knows was not sent by the Lannisters. I guess Arya and Jamie meeting is a very minor detail, but one that involves two of the main characters, and could potentially have some serious future repercussions. It will be interesting to see if/how the show deals with this - one would hope intelligently, logically and to character...

[@tonderaigwarega3129]

this is one of the best and yet sad event in the game of thrones The REd wedding

[@saintradarfatbucks]

I love your videos. But i have a complaint. I listen to them while driving and your lack of an outro makes it difficult to understand that its time to change vids

[@victoriasantoro6692]

I agree with the whole Jaime thing that has not to do with Red Wedding ..Jaime didnt had part on that ..but he was suspecting that Roose was up to something and this something had to do with his daddy and Robb Stark .Cercei also was aware of it.She in some previous episodes before the RW was talking symbolically with Margaery about the Reynes and the Tarbecks [the families that got red weddinged by Tywin before the curent events of GOT]and how they died [men,women,children ..everyone put on the sword]and she mentioned how powerful they were[Lady Rayne had more jewels than my mother]...Cercei also in S3 was more closer to Tywin than anyone ..she liked to sit close to him on the Small Council meetings and to have also personal meetings with him ..she knew something about whats is going to happen...Only Tyrion didnt knew anything about Tywins Red Wedding plans ..and he was surprised /shocked when he founded next morning in the Small Council meeting that the Starks they were murdered in a wedding...he was angry about that..and about Geoffreys insults to the murdered Starks after.Tywin was a villain ..but a very intelligent one [thats why i like to watch his scenes in GOT..now who i make my rewatch before S8 airs a month+ a week from now].

[@joshythehand2960]

Wait.. the red wedding basically took place on the same day that he showed up in kings landing after his capture. Just for the order to reach the twins.. it must have been made before he showed up.

[@thefnaffan2]

Great video as always dude.

[@bridge4]

Thanks again man

[@evelynvongizycki1017]

Wait at 5:03 or so you say that Jamie killed his father he didn’t kill his father Aerys was the king and Jaimie was a sworn knight of the kings guard But it’s not some sort of planned conspiracy it just built up when he saw all the atrocities he couldn’t take it anymore it was a passionate need for some sort of justice

[@mynormorales6653]

Jaime is a very ambiguos character. He is one person when he is with Cercei, but he is alone, he does tap into a more honorable persona...

[@firstswordofthenorth2995]

I'm sure he was told how Rob Stark was killed after his return to kings landing.

[@reddishf0x237]

I think the reason why Jamie loved Cersei was that she always loved him regardless of anything he did. And then fell for Breanne because she was the only person to believe him to be honorable, regardless of his past.

[@tlolovestats]

Cersei loved Jaime until he wasn't as much use to her

[@fridun007]

Another good one!

[@fridun007]

A man must have a code- Omar from the wire

[@bridge4]

Oh wow, he said that?? Omar was awesome (Sandor said it to arya in GoT about stealing, shortly before he breaks guestright and steals lol)

[@watto451]

0:42 look at the captions

[@dustinfenimore3077]

always wondered this myself(in the show)!

[@franciscomarques1356]

i find it funny that jamie managed to never prevent his own sons/daugther deaths but goes above and behond to keep other people´s sons safe

[@bridge4]

It's tragic

[@scottnewton2620]

He could only do so much as "uncle" before suspicions were proven

[@IceWolfLoki]

Except for Rickard Karstark's sons. In that case he almost went out of his way to kill them.

[@skullteria]

Dude u r awesome!

[@bridge4]

Thanks :))

[@elliottquinton2084]

He didn’t know about the red wedding no chance he was imprisoned at the time

[@aqua31forsberg49]

Are you kidding me? He pushed Bran to kill him!

[@paultoy9611]

Respect

[@terryminnesota7599]

We know he didn’t know because he continued to try to bring Cat her daughters so he thought she was alive before he knew she died in the twins

[@KimdraStBiryukova]

Right. The line "the Lannister's send their regards/give mine to Robb Stark" is essentially "Next time you meet up with Robb Stark at his own King's counsel, tell him you're also meeting up with the Lannisters, ya filthy animal." It's one of those lines that needs a bit of think-time.

[@MrDarkkamui]

Can't wait for Winds of Winter to come out... in the year 2059

[@json5467]

can't wait to read it with my grand kids

[@taya____]

Julian Thorn 🤣🤣🤣

[@TheRealMightyHokie]

Come on man! You give him too much credit! =D

[@nerop5456]

Julian Thorn 😂😂😂😩😩😩

[@Kelly12478]

LMFAO! I'm afraid he won't be around to finish his writing. I really hope George has some ghostwriters to help him out if that happens. He may have ghostwriters but they still may not be all that helpful because of Martin's writing style.

[@lucielewis6438]

I think while Tywin Lannister was alive no one took Lannister kids seriously. Therefore I can’t imagine Roose Bolton discussing his plans with Jaime.

[@bridge4]

great point

[@kevind3974]

@@bridge4 knowing Tywin they would have likely been told not to

[@lynnjohanssen6552]

I would go as far as to say that virtually everything Jaimie has ever done (minus his relationship with Cersei and pushing Bran) has been honorable. Even though his relationship with Cersei was unhealthy and immoral, he was faithful to her. He was never with anyone else. He saved all the Innocents in KL at great sacrifice to himself, I even think he respected Ned and The Blackfish and just wanted them to respect him too. I agree that he only threatened Edmure with killing his son in order to keep the loss of life to a minimum. Really everything he's ever done has minimized loss of life. Even pushing Bran. By doing that he saved four lives, three of whom were children. Challenging Robb to single combat to save lives, just like Jon did with Ramsey. Jaime also has a lot of parallels to Jon, which I find interesting.

[@bridge4]

I know that you have a reason to be biased for Jaime.... but with that said, I totally agree He's a true knight

[@maxmustermann369]

in a certain perspective even pushing bran was honorable, since he saved the life of cersei (and countless others by avoiding a war, which didnt work but he couldnt know that then). jaime is one of my favorite characters, but i only realised that in the third book when he finlally becomes a protagonist and the reader can share his thoughts...and well we dont choose the ones we love...o pls gods, i dont want him to die

[@bridge4]

Yup. He was between a rock and a haRd place. As jon said "I guess its all ij where youre standing." And as ygritte responded, "it always is"

[@bridge4]

And I'm with ya. His book train-of-thought mau cause a showonly fan to see him materially differently. I love his chapters and thoughts, and him :))

[@lynnjohanssen6552]

@@bridge4 why would I be biased for Jaime?

[@philh2453]

Both books and show he didn't know of his father and frey's plans

[@bridge4]

agreed

[@daemonblackfyre3238]

Well he was locked up. Roose did however tell Jaime about somethings without tipping off Brienne in the books. Jaime even started to realize Roose planned to betray the Starks. Brienne was sitting right there completely oblivious to the conversation.

[@MrJoshua1875]

yeh My first instinct would be he didnt know...but then you think he has just had his hand chopped off and has no idea if he will ever see home again. If he had to agree to the killing of some starks to get back "in 2 pieces" Id imagine at that stage he would be happy to slaughter a thousand northerners.. Not that he would have had a choice, Tywin would be slaying the starks regardless and I wonder what the point would be in telling Jaime9swings back to he maybe did not know0

[@kjones5052]

He def knew. In the book's dialogue where he and Roose explicitly discussed distancing the Boltons from the act of maiming Jaime when reporting to Tywin, they were implicitly discussing the Red Wedding.

[@drogna3905]

I've never thought that Jaime knew about the Red Wedding. As you say he gave no hints that he knew. He prefers to do his own dirty work, no honour in getting someone else to do it. Caitlyn believed he has Honour, some how she knew he would do as he was asked and not betray her trust. Great video Kev. Thank you.

[@bridge4]

i was originally going to do a book version and a show version. but then i realized last night that i had already half completed half of this hybrid version a couple months ago so i meant to add in a nice line from the show which woudl've been the icing so Randyll Tarly in s7e1 or 2. the one where jaime recruits him. Randyll holds the red wedding against him. so its the classic theme of guilt by association (similar to Sandor in Beric's cave "is being born Clegane a crime!?!") ... cause sandor wasnt burning the riverlands. and Jaime didnt plan, encourage, or help carry out the Red wedding i wish i had remembered to end the video with that concept :-/ ah well

[@ColumbiaB]

“The less people who know . . . .” •Fewer•. (All hail Lord Stannis.)

[@bridge4]

Lol

[@angelinabenitaz]

What kills me about Stannis is.. he was right.. but uh... not the king viewers would choose

[@heresfrankbetches921]

Explain please) (not an English speaker)

[@bridge4]

Less refers to something uncountable. Less anger for example. Fewer usually refers to something you can count. Fewer apples Less is often used at least by Americans, when the correct word is fewer. So stannis is being a "grammar nazi" (excuse my slang on that one)

[@heresfrankbetches921]

bridge4 oh, thank you! 💁‍♀️✨

[@themutualfriend5286]

Me thinks tywins male children secretly want to be honourable.

[@AdroitXO]

“Is that a woman? Where did you find this beast??” I must admit that scene was hella funny😂😂😂

[@bridge4]

He was brutal. But pretty funny (I guess I'm evil for laughing tho)

[@AdroitXO]

bridge4 it’s very okay to like dark humor we are not evil 😌

[@bridge4]

@@AdroitXO yeh I feel ya. As long as we have our limits :))

[@user-wt5db2fz7r]

Thank god for these frequent uploads on a boring Friday night

[@bridge4]

:))

[@bridge4]

Thats all I got for today tho. My bad. Have a nice Friday and weekend, joel! :))

[@user-wt5db2fz7r]

bridge4 no worries, have a nice weekend!

[@Amdach]

Do you ever sleep??? We do appreciate your video’s so much but, please take some rest! :D

[@bridge4]

I haven't been able to this week. I finally stopped just now tho bc I might need to eat or go to bed soon lol. Watching episode 1 if Netflix-'s "one strange rock." It'll either be a 45 minute break or it might suck me in for a few episodes and then early bed :))

[@UserName-rf5zs]

Hahaha

[@warmonger9100]

Jaime, didn't know because it's complicated. Jaime's a complicated man but not when it comes to his sword. He fights at the front, where even the best fighters dare tread. In the bedroom, well that sword is, complicated.

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

good point! in many ways it was the same during Spoils of War. he just...charged a dragon

[@bridge4]

Well said!

[@RedSonya4]

I never thought that Jaime was in on it, but thank you for pulling it all together from book and show. Seeing all the evidence laid out makes me like Jaime even more. Have a great weekend!

[@chiefbeef5777]

Your longer videos with quotes from the books are my favorite videos of yours. They always come together so nicely near the end. One of the few youtubers who only posts videos about theories that they think are true or at least plausible and not just in it for the clickbait crazy theories.

[@bridge4]

I get accused of making tinfoil for views. But I'm glad some realize that I believe in my hypotheses. The only one I didn't was the first trial of seven video, but I'm pretty sure I clarified that for one, I just think it'd be cool. And that I was presenting it because even tho I didn't expect it at the time, I thought there was a chance Low and behold, a couple months later, now I actually expect it :)) It's funny when I get called out on making click bait stuff that in truth, is a very solid prediction. Like arya mercy killing sandor. I'd be truly shocked if it doesn't happen. But I constantly read attacks on videos like that where they accuse me of clickbait lolol

[@bridge4]

Thank you for the kind words, and apologies for the rant. It's just been a long week. And because of the trailer, there are a lot of new people here who are acting like hateful children to myself and others within the chats It'll fade back to normal this weekend though probably :))

[@chiefbeef5777]

@@bridge4 for sure man. there will always be naysayers, you keep doing you. Your enthusiasm for the show and making content for it is unparalleled !

[@bridge4]

Thanks again

[@michaelrocha7159]

"On the one hand" I see what you did there ;)

[@bridge4]

:-p

[@pmanessnolan]

Fewer people, Kev. Fewer. 😉

[@bridge4]

my bad, stannis

[@bridge4]

good catch. i made the same mistake a month or two ago and two people were quick to call me out lol

[@connor4435]

Patricia Nolan only in Old English, in the modern version of the language less is perfectly acceptable

[@pmanessnolan]

Don’t think of it as a Stannis thing, but then again, I try to forget Stannis altogether. Now it’s my favorite adorable Davos thing. (But everything is an adorable Davos thing. Fav character.). And I’m no grammar Nazi- I make joke.

[@bridge4]

"I make joke'" haha. Nice one grey worm! Even if you were serious, I wouldn't have minded (my mother i's an English teacher, so when my verbiage gets corrected, it probably causes happiness (of only on a subconscious level) since I'm so used to my favorite person ever correcting me :))

[@asteroidmonger]

He knew Bolton was turning his cloak, but not how.

[@chrisdelisle3954]

You are killing it, lately, with all of these videos. I don't think there will be a Trial of Seven like you suggested in the other video...unless you know something that none of us knows...

[@bridge4]

Just that there have been two. And I always thought cersei's trial would be a seven...until tommen banned trials in the show Now I expect him to do the same in the books, so a final trial of seven feels like it might happen Layer in seamus''s harys horpe discovery, and now i expect a trial of seven :)

[@asongforthemostbeautifulwo6476]

bridge4 not to mention a trial of the seven is freakin awesome. It would be quite a missed oppprtunity.

[@johnnyjay6959]

I think Jamie said send Rob my regards bc he knew the Starks were going to lose and figured he could have Roose rub it in a bit not knowing the whole plan.

[@SuperSpasticNinja]

I think it was more of a "I was set free by your own mum and now happily on my way back to go fuck my own sister" kind of thing. Still rubbing it in though. I think GRRM wrote the "Jaime Lannister sends his regards" thing specifically so Catelyn would feel the mistake and betrayal of Jaime after having set him free just before she died. So that it at least looked to HER, Jaime was part of it. Making him the ultimate target for Stoneheart's wrath, however misguided.

[@gcs7817]

Of course Jaime knew Bolton and Frey would betray Robb Stark. How is not the question, but Jaime knew betrayal was coming. “You’ll give my regards to Robb Stark, won’t you?” and Jaime doesn’t mean that Bolton will give Robb a warm hand shake and a bro hug. Tywin plotting with Frey and Bolton has to be communicated to them somehow. Not by ravens, mind you. Those can get intercepted. No, Jaime was involved and an important messenger. Luckily for him, no one survived the Red Wedding on the Stark side to relay what Roose said to Robb as he stabbed him. Now in the books Roose stabs Robb through the heart from the back and says “Jaime Lannister send his regards.” Then he twists the sword. Bran can see what happened at the Red Wedding, but he won’t. The question is what will Bran do when he sees Jaime when he arrives at Winterfell.

[@gcs7817]

Tha_ Jet_King At this point Bran doesn’t give a crap about the fact that Jaime pushed him out the window. That doesn’t mean Jon and Arya won’t be so forgiving, especially revenge seeking Arya who is hell bent on killing everyone involved in killing her family. So when Arya finds out that the Lannister’s were behind the Red Wedding and the Frey/Bolton plot....

[@gcs7817]

Tha_ Jet_King exactly ... what is she gonna do when she sees Jaime when he arrives in Winterfell? That’s the question.

[@gcs7817]

Tha_ Jet_King We’ll see. I think Jaime will die protecting Bran. Oh the irony

[@rairai8804]

"Jamie killed his father, King Aerys." Wut?

[@btrfly6499]

I agree, I don't think Jaime knew - I don't think he would have flippantly said "The Lannister's send their regards." Just can't see it. You video, as always, was great!

[@bridge4]

TL;DR - comment section is now limitted to channel-members only so as to avoid spoilers to become a channel-member and join the discussion: goo.gl/8WmV1p (i donate channel memberships to my Children's Hospital of Philadelphia fundraiser each month: gofundme.com/kev-cares ) -------------------------- just read a comment from an arse saying that one of my videos is wrong because allegedly the first three episode scripts have been leaked. i cannot take the risk of running into spoilers, so i immediately changed all video comment sections to "all comments must be approved" i am adding channel members to an "automatically approve all comments from this user" list, so the conversation from here until the end of season 8 will be channel members only i sincerely apologize. this will negatively affect my videos, and i genuinely love chatting with all of you. but i cannot run the risk of running into spoilers in the comment section, like i did last year with viserion and littlfinger (i wont be checking my "pending review" comments on videos, so if you're not a channel-member, i won't see you're comment. apologies)

[@callewee]

"On the one hand".. I see what you did there. Jaime is my favourite character in the show anyhow. The bathtub sceen solidified it for me.

[@uploadasap]

Late to comment here, but I think there are probably two reasons why they changed the phrasing of Roose giving regards. 1. To make it clear in the moment that Tywin was involved in the scheme. 2. Not as important to keep the same as it is in the books. Catelyn heard "Jaime" specifically in the line, and where's Jaime headed currently?

[@bridge4]

Good points!

[@drakekay6577]

5:00 Is it proven that the mad king is Jaime's REAL father?

[@bridge4]

Not yet

[@Xfier246]

it s not coz he s not..

[@TheWrongHands18]

I dont think Tywin would have stood for the Mad King bedding his wife. He wanted to strangle Aerys even when he just made lewd comments about his wife. Tywin would have rebelled if he knew that had taken place. Maybe Tywin didnt know....? No, Aerys had a mouth on him and word would have gotten out. There were also several slights that led to Tywin renouncing his position as hand of the king, the last being Aerys making Jaime a member of the Kingsguard and robbing him of his heir. Aerys sleeping with his wife, the only person he truly loved, would have pushed him over the edge. Remember, Tywin wiped 2 families off the face of the earth because they were being dicks. At the Defiance of Duskendale later on, he wiped out another couple of families, with the King's orders, though. He doesn't seem like the type to turn the other cheek. He could have let Aerys rot in the Duskendale prison or stormed the keep and caused them to kill the king as a hostage. He didn't though. Aerys also went mad after Duskendale so Tywin didn't fear being cooked by wildfire at this time either. He even resigned his post despite possibly causing the Mad King's wrath. I believe Tywin would have acted completely different towards Aerys is he knew he slept with his wife.

[@ragnarlodbrok1233]

It's basically a "adios bitches" moment for jaime. I agree with everything you said, jaime is a confident witty dude....and despite being covered in shit and malnourished he does not back down or tone his personality down in fear, it's why he took on brienne while chained, weakened and malnourished and made jokes even after the northerners took his hand. He knew how valuable of a hostage he was and how hard Robb had tried to recapture him, so as a slight revenge of words it was like a taunt to Robb that his own Bannerman was letting him go. Hence, he sends his regards.

[@chrisreid5766]

“Call it ironic or salt in the wounds” I call it poetic.

[@izuela7677]

To me it's pretty clear that he knew Roose was switching sides. He just wasn't aware that it was going to happen at a wedding celebration. He probably imagined it happening at an official battle between armies. Or, at worst, some other time somewhere guest rights weren't in play.

[@ludovicofabris5819]

AFFC Jaime is the best character ever. His inner change arc is great. I think the show made a mess of it by extending the twincest after his reuturn upon KL. It is amazing how GRRM lets us inside the mind of the most hated character up to that point only to find out that he is a troubled, insightful man.

[@FallOutJosie]

"your word of honor?" ser brynden raised an eyebrow. "do you even know what honor is?" _a horse._ - jaime vi, affc jaime is so sassy in the books it's incredible

[@bridge4]

lol, yeah i love jaime and also train-of-thought in general. musical scores of shows are awesome, but train-of-thought is just as awesome =))

[@seb8190]

4:57 Did you mean the king he sworn to protect?

[@maxmustermann369]

probably, but look at rome, where the emporer was father of the homeland. in a certain way aerys was his father...

[@bridge4]

Cersei and jaime are probably aerys bastards

[@shannond7437]

bridge4 🙌

[@lyndonviney5714]

bridge4 “probably”

[@shannond7437]

NedBark Shallow waters at best.

[@ashlee8318]

This is great. There are few things I enjoy more than analysis. Despite Jaime’s somewhat skewed sense of morality at times, I was always under the impression he didn’t know about the Red Wedding, either. He’s more of a fight-you-face-to-face kind of man, which is honorable in its way. He may embellish and jape and provoke his enemies with words, but he’s not a conniving intellectual schemer like Tywin, Cersei, or Tyrion. I think that’s a major distinction shown in both the books and show.

[@Jockeylotforfun]

I hope you're feeling better and getting a little rest and relaxation. Love Qot 🌹

[@bridge4]

:)) Ive done a ton of reading and note taking :)) now back to the grind of scripts and editing which is no fun :(

[@lisa-sz8jj]

Why has _nobody_ put a sword holder on his golden hand! Would make his life easier and he'd be less vulnerable to literally everybody. Tyrion had plans to help Bran... he had nothing for a missing hand? Side note... I bet bridge4 has a great singing voice

[@liamsmith331]

Meh. Wouldn't really be the same as having a real hand, you need to be able to change your grip. Switching to the left hand would almost certainly be better than using a sword just locked firmly at the end of your arm.

[@lisa-sz8jj]

@@liamsmith331 yeah practicing with his other hand was a smart move but he'd be more bad ass as one of the best swordsmen in westeros if he could fight with both. And it would shock everyone who'd heard the gossip he'd lost his sword hand to see him in a battle using both. I guess that it was one of his lessons though

[@RedSonya4]

sweeter spirits7 Jaime would actually be better off with a smallish shield strapped to his right arm. It’s actually quite impossible to fight with a sword strapped to your hand. You don’t need nearly as much flexibility and mobility with a shield. Shields also double as weapons in real fights. Tv and films tend to overlook this. Plus, he’d be screwed if h had a sword attached to his hand and he got the sword jammed into an opponent’s armor.

[@lisa-sz8jj]

@@RedSonya4 oh that's a good point actually. I just don't like the uselessness of the golden hand lol

[@bridge4]

Lolol. I was not singing was i!?!?!

[@MichaelHolmgaard]

I have a crazy (or not so crazy) theory about Jaime. By all accounts, Jaime is the most decent leader and commander left in Westeros. Everything he has ever done, has been for others than himself. He is a great strategist and a cunning warrior, and he does everything while trying to spare as many lives as possible. So my theory is, that we might see Jaime sit on the Iron Throne! Now, whether it would be at the end of it all, that's a whole other story, but in the original outline for ASOIAF, Jaime killed everyone who came in his way, and took the throne. I can easily see this happen in the actual story. Jaime is not, and will never be interested in power, but if it is to protect others, I don't think he would hesitate. He knows how fucked King's Landing and its citizens will be under Cercei & Euron's reign, so for the good of the people, Jaime kills both Euron and Cercei in the great hall, for then to place himself on the Iron Throne. Imagine then, if Jon walks in to see Jaime sitting there, on the Iron Throne, just as Ned did back at Robert's Rebellion.... epic! I know it's super far fetched, but GRRM always plays with our expectations, so I don't think it's very far off ;)

[@bridge4]

I did my Jaime outlines back in December 2017, when he became my favorite character. And for a few months or may longer, I expected what you said. King Jaime and also queen brienne. But now I'd be shocked if tyrion and Sansa dont fall in love and get chosen as the kingdom's leaders, through a great council. with a plan to transition towards somethING more democratic over time

[@themutualfriend5286]

Yeah, nah i dont see it happening.

[@MichaelHolmgaard]

@@bridge4 Yeah I was sure that Tyrion would become some sort leader of all men, but as the seasons go by, I think Tyrion will die. Jaime will probably be the only Lannister left alive even?! Best character on the show, by far I'd say 😊

[@gcs7817]

Michael Holmgaard Jaime only became a better person after he lost what he thought defined him - his right hand. He looks at his empty pages in the books of The Kings Guard. The only notation was as a king slayer.

[@gabrielbrault1999]

As I like the theory, I can't see how the people would accept him. So far, only Brienne, Tyrion, perhaps man's who fought along his side and some of us the viewers knows that he is a good man of honor, but remember that most of Westeros from Dorne to the wall still thinks he is one of the worst dishonorable man in the whole kingdom. Not one northerner would ever bend to the kingslayer

[@franciscoreveriano2524]

I have the read the books multiple times and have seen the show. It was always my understanding that Jaime orchestrated the Red Wedding. Specifically when he tells Roose Bolton that the Lannister pay best. More importantly, there is the look and reaction from Brianne. Who was too naive to understand what was going on. Jaime is a person that attempts to be honorable, but always commits something dishonorable in the belief that it would save lives. For example kills the Mad King, under the belief that his burning of kings landing would kill more lives. Orchestrates the Red Wedding, under the belief that it would end the war. And then always regrets it. Fulfilling his role as a character that is neither black or white.

[@Ticonderous1]

Let's think abput Jaime, his character and his arc.. on The One Hand....nice pun ...

[@bridge4]

:-P Roose had a nice jab in the show about jaime over playing his.... position lol

[@anthoniesantic4325]

Jaime didn't know, he's a cool dude. Not much to argue about

[@vinayaksidharth5088]

Jaime proved over and over he cares about people's lives and he believes in killing a few people dishonorably to save the lives of a large number of people. So it's safe to say if he knew it he would've let it happen.

[@colintomlinson4589]

"Jamie killed his father"? What? No.

[@bridge4]

I meant to add in another selfless he's did the snake event (with archers versus drogon/dany)

[@bridge4]

selfless head-of-the-snake* event

[@veronicajade20]

It always disgusted me that Jaime threatened Edmure’s baby, b/c he _did_ previously throw a child out of a tower window with the intention of killing him. I thought he meant it. But I think I’ve gotten a more well rounded perspective on him now. While he has plenty of shitty moments - especially when it concerns Cersei - he has a lot of good, noble, honorable moments too.

[@BenGally00]

Short answer ? No. Long answer ? Also no.

[@Rafa-ey6ve]

Short answer: no Long answer: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[@KimM13744]

I always just assumed Jaime told Bolton to send his regards because when Jaime was Robb's prisoner he made a joke about Robb dragging Jaime from camp to camp instead of just leaving him in one place. Jaime would have been dragged to the wedding is Catelyn didn't betray her son. Jaime was mocking Robb.

[@malenasander7906]

The people always bringing up pushing bran out of the window. Have you ever heard of character development? He became the man he really is in his character arc. But I believe he wouldn’t have anything against it killing them (ending the war, saving his family) but the way they were killed (at the dinner table without a chance defending themselves and after receiving bread and salt so they have the guest right) it did show when Jaime fought Ned as you showed.

[@bridge4]

Yeh, I'd be shocked if he'd have agreed to conspire in the red wedding had he not been a prisoner. He'd have found a way out I bet

[@malenasander7906]

When he was held captive and killed the karstarks to get out he was well the ass Jaime. Than finding out that Catelyn would let him go for her children maybe had an impact on him. He always loved Myrcella and Tommen and wanted their relationship openly but couldn’t. Cersei brings out the worst in him and Brienne the best. This is why I believe that brienne is the more beautiful queen who takes everything Cersei holds dear.

[@vinayaksidharth5088]

I don't matter whether he knew about it or not because if he did he would be quite pleased and would've let it happen anyway

[@robinmattingly3745]

I have found myself liking Jamie more and more throughout this whole show series. It has never crossed my mind that Jamie knew about the Red Wedding and you just confirmed it. I do believe that Jamie won’t make it to the end but he will regain his honor and his deeds will be written down in the book by Breanne. She has been the biggest influence on how Jamie has been redeeming himself. It’s been slow but you see it....

[@tygerrrecchia6535]

I have to say I totally agree, I do not think he had any bloody idea about the Red Wedding! Jaime is a lot of things but he has always had this twisted sense of honour, that is a fact!

[@lyannafinn7473]

Agree agree agree he DID NOT KNOW....team Jaimie and Sansa forever.... btw you have become my fav asoiaf educational podcast! All that from a chance airport meeting! ⚔️🖤👑ps I know who you are now!

[@bridge4]

Hahha you're too funny. Thanks m'lady. And I'm totally on thise teams with ya. Jaime has been my #1 #ince December 2017. And in totally on team sansa. The one true queen!!! :)))

[@UncleMuin]

Your analysis of Jaimie is about as spot on as one can be. Whether in the books or the show, I see a long, slow arc of the Kingslayer becoming the knight he was supposed to have been years ago. His past crimes are numerous, and speak of a spoiled, jaded youth, easily manipulated and puppetted by his sister, his father, his previous (Mad) king, and the succession of warring interests and poorly followed mentors. He has learned some harsh and horrible lessons, leading up to the reluctant opening of his eyes to the world around him that his own weaknesses have helped to create. Oathbreaker, Kingslayer, Cuckolder, Incestuous... What WILL his page (singular...) say in the Knightsguard Book of Deeds?

[@fustilarian1]

3:44 fewer*

[@TypicalToyReviews]

Uh...what? Roose says Jaime Lannister sends his regards. Thats good enough for me

[@r.shanethompson7933]

Did you say "Jaime kills his FATHER King Aerys????" Color Me Confused!!! Can someone explain?

[@bridge4]

i never made that video. i kept putting it off since it meant so much to me. maybe ill finally do it. ive done a couiple, but not my final one long story short, Mad King Aerys had a crush on Tywin Lannisters wife. some fans believe Tyrion is Mad King Aerys bastard. but personally,. I believe Jaime and Cersei are Tywin's bastards its very poetic if Tyrion turns out to be Tywin Lannister's only trueborn sonon top of that, Cersei basically becomes a Mad King with her wildfire obsessions. there's a cheeky line in the books with Aunt Gemma (Tywin's sister) telling Jaime that "Tyrion is Tywin's son, not you" (shes referring to Tyrion being more like him. but it might have been a sneaky clue by GRRM since he does that kind of stuff) there's also a dream sequence where Jaime speaks to his dead mother while Jaime stood vigil for Tywin. and her wording was very suspect. she said something about how Jaime never knew his father or something. i forget the details but yeah. thats the idea. its not proven either way. but some people think all three kids are Tywins. some think Tyrion is the Mad King's bastard. And some (such as myself) think Jaime and Cersei are Mad King Aerys's bastards

[@starscourge_blackfyre1471]

What I don't understand is why Robb Stark doesn't make an attempt to fight back shoot even lady Catelyn slit a throat and in the books didn't John number fight back?

[@bridge4]

In the show, he seemed stunned by not only the bolts, but the image if his wife and unborn child being stabbed. Put him in shock But yeh, like you said, it took alot of men to subdue the greatjon in the books. He wss such a beast

[@Violetsoul6]

Did you just say that the Mad King was Jaime's father or did I hear that wrong?

[@bridge4]

for sure =) cersei too

[@isadora9773]

❄️Deep in the west, far in the east who is the hero and who is the beast? Up in the north, down in the south Spoilers are everywhere, please shut your mouth! 🔥

[@bridge4]

Lmao. Dd you make that up?? The last line was valerian steel

[@isadora9773]

bridge4 The first one I once saw somewhere, the last one I created to fit your post 😅❤️

[@bridge4]

Lol. I got a kick out of your addition

[@johnsean93]

Question for you: do you think Sansa will marry Jaime (if he lives through season 8)?

[@melledevries4685]

In the book, he wasn't out to kill Ned Stark when he confronted him in King's Landing. He just wanted to kill Ned's companions as a show of force/as retaliation for Tyrion's capture, which isn't exactly honourable. He actually left before the fighting started, but it seems he had given his men orders not to kill Ned, as Ned is the only survivor of the Stark party. Ned breaking his leg was an accident in the book; a horse fell on him. No one stabbed him. It actually messed up Tywin Lannister's plans a bit, as Tywin had sent the Mountain raiding the Riverlands in the hope that Ned himself would lead the small army sent to bring Gregor Clegane to justice, with the goal of ambushing and capturing him to exchange him for Tyrion. Instead, because Ned's leg was broken, Beric Dondarrion was appointed to lead the army. The ambush still happened. TL;DR: Jaime didn't spare Ned for honour's sake, and as a matter of fact the entire attack was pretty dishonourable to begin with

[@nononono3421]

Choking the Karstarks to death with chains was probably not very honorable. I think Jaime tries to be honorable, but he's not perfect, so sometimes he isn't, but he's changing. I think down the line the roles will switch; Brienne will either pay for being too honorable or learn that sometimes you have to be dishonorable, while Jaime will do something great or die to be honorable. If Sansa has to order Jaime to be executed, Brienne would likely do it herself, with Oathkeeper.

[@amberkelly3187]

Jaime with all his complexities has always been my favourite character. I have always wondered if he will be the one to kill Cersei or if she will kill him? It would be sad and poetic.

[@Unlitedsoul]

I don't think that Jamie knew about the Red Wedding. In fact, I can't really go so far to state that Jamie knew Roose Bolton was turning against Robb Stark for certain... only that he was trying to cash in on releasing Jamie after basically destroying much of the threat he ever presented against himself and the Starks. That, to me, seemed to be the overwhelming sense as to that whole episode in Harrenhall. The line "Give my regards to Robb Stark." Was just a verbal jab at the end, reminding Bolton of his place with the veiled threat of his eventual return to the fight in one manner or another. On top of this, I'm not so certain that Roose had made the decision to betray Robb at that point yet. Keep in mind that the events which made the Red Wedding possible had mostly transpired after (and partially due to) Jamie being released by Catlyn. Sure, Walder Frey wanted revenge for Robb betraying the wedding pact. However, what could he have done as long as the Boltons and Karstarks were still backing the Starks and Tullys? It was the execution of Rickard Karstark than turned that house away, and caused them to turn their allegiance to Bolton. I would even go so far as to suggest that Roose may not have even truly considered the option of conspiring with Tywin until after he'd met with Jamie at Harrenhall.

[@Tyranastrasza]

Roose planned to betray Robb as soon as he was given the footmen to go south along the kingsroad when he separated ways with Robb charging with the horses to Riverrun. All his moves after that proved that he was trying to inflict losses on Robb's banermen while keeping his own relatively safe, preparing to jump on any possibility. If the Westerling thing didn't happen, Roose would have found another way. He may not have had all the details planned for his betrayal, but it was a wish from the start.

[@Unlitedsoul]

@@Tyranastrasza Oh, I have no doubt that Roose Bolton had intentions of taking any true opportunity he could use to usurp the Starks. In fact, I am certain that was one of the reasons why Ned brought Roose into his own confidence. Catlyn even warned Robb not to trust Roose Bolton too far, citing Ned's thoughts on him. However, I am not convinced he had any plans in motion until a brief time prior to the Red Wedding. He seemed quite content with resting on his laurels at Harrenhall and allowing his men to pillage the region, while Robb continually weakened his own forces, and waiting for an opportunity to arise. Four events transpired to create such an opportunity. First you have the Ironborn raiding various spots of the north, thus showing that Robb could not protect his territory and people. Second, Winterfell itself was taken by Theon who then spread about word that he executed Bran and Rickon (thus leaving only Sansa - who was essentially being held hostage by the Lannisters, then later married off to Ramsay -, the missing Arya -which he would handle by means of a pretender in the books-, and Robb himself to deal with. Third, the execution of Rickard Karstark, and Robb losing the Karstark's support. And finally, the capture of Jamie and idea of a reward bestowed to him by Tywin Lannister. Jamie was held at Harrenhall for several days, perhaps weeks. That is plenty of time to negotiate via trusted messenger, or even via raven. So, may Roose did have an idea that he was going to betray Robb when Jamie spoke that line to him... but the plan couldn't have been more than a couple of days old. I still don't think that Jamie knew anything about it at all.