Did Mother Frame Her Daughter for Homicide? | Debbie Collier Case Analysis

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[@sandilou2U]

The Venmo message is being repeated by everyone as "they're not going to let me go" but I think it is missing key punctuation. Apparently, Amanda knew Debbie had been depressed and had encouraged Debbie to cheer up by telling her things would get better. Debbie responded. "They're not going to. Let me go. I love you... " That one period completely changes the message's meaning..

[@onslaughtofagony6680]

Yes, that's exactly what that message was supposed to read. In the context of the conversation, it becomes clear that's what the message actually meant, which changes the case completely.

[@Lenticloudular]

Has merit. Yes perhaps tears blinding her too? Poor lady.

[@Fireproofwitchnz]

Holy shit 🫨 That makes so much sense! When I heard she bought paper towels I immediately knew she was going to use them to help ignite the fire that would ultimately kill her. I do believe she was plotting suicide and your theory is honestly the best I've heard.

[@thesongbird2383]

However... her daughter could have been with Debbie, and used her Mom's phone to both send herself the money, and the text message. But, I can't quite explain how the daughter could have coaxed her Mom into the store to buy those odd items. Any further thoughts?

[@canileaveitblank1476]

@@thesongbird2383 you can’t explain it, because it didn’t happen. Occam’s Razor - the simplest explanation is usually correct. The daughter wasn’t with her mother.

[@mrfreeman1763]

Chronic pain will make you're world become very small, with no hope in sight of ever feeling better, you're outlook on life will become bleak.

[@librab2497]

I can’t imagine but my husband is always in pain which started before he turned 30. Whenever my back hurts I think about how grateful I am to not experience chronic pain like he does!

[@hanb8737]

This case is extremely suspicious… I just can’t see someone choosing that method to end their life- especially taking her clothes off

[@irenes3470]

I believe self-immolation is very rare in suicides

[@crystalb4178]

It's also suspicious that she was found holding a small tree. It doesn't make sense that she would be able to keep her grip on that while being burned alive. Her daughter not immediately contacting authorities when she couldn't contact her mother after that disturbing text, exaggerated about the truck driver and the conflict her mother had with him and smirking in an interview as she gloated that she told the people in her life who suspected her in her mother's death would be apologising to her has me strongly suspecting that Debbie's death is not a suicide.

[@tessaducek5601]

Agree... 👍

[@It-is-me...Melsie]

She purchased the equipment herself for 'the deed'.

[@susanlee8609]

Debbie dressed very modestly. Son said she never wore shorts. She wouldn't want to be found naked or even half naked

[@GoGreen1977]

There's no way I'd let my daughter and her boyfriend move into my house if they had committed crimes as described in this video. I wouldn't tolerate that behavior in anyone and sure wouldn't bring it into my household.

[@MimiRAM0NE]

It seems like her daughter, the person originally suspected of her murder, is the only one claiming Debbie had a change in behavior pointing toward depression and suicidality.

[@CountessKitten]

Absolutely

[@mariangrove5292]

Yes, is there evidence from anyone else - particularly her doctor - to back this up?

[@haleyt3754]

@@mariangrove5292 haven’t heard of any. Coincidental huh?;)

[@joy-115]

Right

[@kathalloran5828]

She may be the only one not in denial though , that is the thing. We really don't know.

[@cjdodgeprimecrime]

I guess I couldn't believe that she, or anyone for that matter, would take their life in such a horrifically painful way, such as fire. That's why I've had such a difficult time believing that she committed suicide. So sad. 😔 Thank you for your analysis. It definitely makes more sense, as bad as it is.

[@gabriellenojaim261]

I agree. I'm not so certain, even AFTER Dr. Grande's breakdown, that Debbie killed herself. Especially in such a HORRIFICALLY PAINFUL way! I'd always been led to believe that women did t usually choose ways to die that would disfigure them...ever conscious of the fact that family would want to view their bodies at a funeral, yes? That's why MOST women don't shoot themselves in the head. Debbie was a rather good looking woman and I find it very difficult to believe that she would set herself on FIRE in order to kill herself...I don't know. That's awfully hard to swallow...

[@wizzardofpaws2420]

I am not believing her death was suicide either. It's just too messed up. Burning to death is not what anyone chooses to off themselves.

[@symbiote1982pk]

Self immolation isn't an uncommon event.

[@cjdodgeprimecrime]

@@gabriellenojaim261 I agree

[@cjdodgeprimecrime]

@@wizzardofpaws2420 that's exactly how I feel!

[@kimgilbert3605]

I find it incredible that any woman would strip naked prior to suicide knowing that this is how she would be found. I am doubtful of suicide, jmo

[@lindajakub624]

He did not see her. He assumed she was still in her room.I absolutely do not buy this. She was murdered

[@ludwigvanzappa9548]

Could you look into the case of Guy Turcotte . A cardiologist who killed his two young boys. Thank you, I love your channel!

[@HoneyHoneyBaby]

Wow 😱

[@dammar117]

Very famous case here in Canada.

[@HeatherHolt]

The world is a terrible place

[@TT-cj3ek]

@@HeatherHolt it is . I bought a car last night , long story short it was a complete scam … almost . Spent 5 hours at court house today with someone in the titles / auditor dept , and by the grace of God there was 12 windows open and window 12 was my window to go to and she said if anybody else would’ve gotten me I would’ve lost out on my $2400 and there was nothing that I could’ve done about it, but she was a manager there, and she happen to know the guy that actually had originally owned the vehicle, and she worked diligently all day on it. I was literally shaking in so distressed the whole time. I just don’t know why people can’t be compassionate and kind and decent and honest. What is it in the human brain that switches or shuts down that makes people not capable of doing the right thing. And I know this is nothing even close to what murder is, but it was a very dirty thing that was done and Dr. grande is the best!!He is my number one go to and when I moved from Texas back home to South Dakota he was on my entire playlist on the way home.😊❤️💯✅

[@jillshannon8627]

I just wanted to add a comment on Hydrocodone, though this is not necessarily connected to poor Debbie's mysterious and tragic death. Some years ago, I was struck by a severe case of sciatica, which lasted for 18 months. I had never used opioids or drugs before this. Due to crippling pain, I had to quit my job, and was mostly in bed. The orthopedist gave me Hydrocodone to ease the pain. Within a couple weeks on this drug, I experienced visual hallucinations, for the first time in my life. The grotesque forms, faces and imagery I saw, with my eyes closed, and even eyes open at times, was terrifying. I had to quit the med, and deal with the pain until finally, I found a type of physical therapy that gradually healed it, and with the help of God. Even on the warning paperwork with the prescription, I noticed later that it warned of hallucinations, even suicide. Maybe it is not a universal side effect, but I saw images too horrific to bear. Possibly, Debbie had an adverse reaction, but I'm only speculating what might have happened.

[@dianabodemer1889]

How terrible for you. I'm glad you're better now. God bless.

[@whitedragoness23]

Wow! The side effects seem more common. It could of added to her stress but sadly she didn’t leave anything behind.

[@MariaOC1_]

Thank you for sharing. I have similar experience. After 3,days I was hearing weird noises. Freaked me out, stopped taking and those weird feeling left. After all the years of medical research I'd have hoped medicine would have perfected pain relief that does not drive people nuts! Good luck moving forwards🙏

[@MilaB1111]

Wow that’s very possible, she was having a side effects from the medication.

[@m.a.2836]

God bless Physical Therapists!

[@terrioestreich4007]

Maybe Debbie wanted to kill herself but for some reason, she didn't want people to think that she killed herself.

[@Catlily5]

That was my thought.

[@rockyevans1584]

Sure seems possible, and I'd imagine being viewed as a coward who gave up could be the incentive

[@eternitykentucky6935]

I think she tried to make it look like homicide, so family could get life insurance

[@M_Samp]

@@Catlily5 my thought exactly. She was ashamed. OR-she may have also had a life insurance and knew her family couldn’t receive it if she committed suicide so she tried to make it look like a homicide.

[@Catlily5]

@@M_Samp I agree but I don't think you get life insurance payments for murder. It would give people a reason to kill their family member.

[@elizabethhamm5320]

Crazy case. I’m glad that you highlighted it. It reminds us all that strange things can happen. You aren’t committed to narratives. Your objectively is a breath of fresh air

[@daynasafranek7807]

I agree. I have wanted to understand the psychology of what might have been happening. 👏

[@sophiaisabelle01]

We appreciate Dr Grande for giving us quality analyses. They're always worth looking forward to.

[@elizabethwarman9028]

Good evening Dr Grande, Debbie choice of suicide is frightening. But, with Opioids she most likely felt no pain. I know personally, Opioids doesn't make you psychotic, It makes you grandiose. Makes you feel like you can do anything. But, Opioids makes you extremely dependent on the drug. Took three Detoxes to make me realize that. I still take Codeine for a severe back injury, but my caregiver only gives me three a day. As always I learn something new from your videos. Have a wonderful Friday.

[@deedsterdoo1603]

Have you tried kratom? I make a tea from it for my chronic pain. Works better than any meds I was given.

[@elizabethwarman9028]

@@deedsterdoo1603 never heard of Kratom. I injured my back thinking I could help my Dad clean the new built in pool in 1989. I lifted up the hose, and something pop along my back on the left side. It was so loud my Dad, who was standing on the south side of the pool heard the pop. I ended up missing seven days of work. My parents who were in their late 60s had to help me get around. This same thing which pop then, had popped out again.

[@deedsterdoo1603]

@@elizabethwarman9028 Ouch! I'm sorry you're suffering so much. Pain is both mentally and physically taxing. I mentioned kratom because it's change my life. I no longer deal with a rheumatologist or chiropractor. If you do look into it, please only buy from safe vendors listed on the American Kratom Associations website. Sending peace and healing to you.

[@elizabethwarman9028]

@@deedsterdoo1603 I don't go to the first doctor you mentioned nor a Chiropractor. I see a pain specialist. He gives me I believe steroids shots every three months. Plus, I get PT about every six months. I think my problem is I have been for over a year sleeping on the sofa in the living room. I have a perfectly good bed in my bedroom. I have a Sleep Numbers Mattress. Why am I in the living room? Because I saw a spider in my room. I have Arachnophobia. So, I am in the living room. Which when you think about it, is a bit stupid. I have a company which sprays, and sets traps for every creepy crawly thing there is. I will look into the tea you mentioned.

[@georgehasleftthebuilding6621]

Really? Thank you for sharing your experiences. That's awful, I hope the poor woman didn't think she was going crazy and didn't want to tell anybody! many wouldn't think hallucinations with a pain killer but 100% every ones body reacts differently.

[@loulabelle5082]

A request please, doc. Would you analyse the Murdaugh trial? I know you've already uploaded a vid going over the intricacies of the case but I'd be interested to know your thoughts on the trial itself. How did you think Alex presented himself? What did you think of the evidence? What, in particular, stood out to you, overall? Would love to hear your thoughts on all of this! Keep up the good work!

[@seaglasscolor]

I agree with this request. I would like to hear if Dr. Grande attributes any “blame” (for Murdaugh’s atrocious, murderous behavior) to opioids Murdaugh may have been taking at the time.

[@loulabelle5082]

@@seaglasscolor opioids are no excuse for murder. You can be the gentlest person in the world and have an addiction. Alex Murdaugh was just a selfish, greedy entitled man. I've been hooked on the trial, and I live in the UK. It baffles belief that this man was able to get away with what he did for so long!

[@kaseysewick1691]

Not sure if you saw or not , he did release it right after this ?

[@loulabelle5082]

@@kaseysewick1691 yes I saw, thanks. Think he uploaded about a day later. Thought he would probably do an update.

[@clarisd]

Short, sweet, and like a well-made martini dry delivery. As always, Dr. Grande delivers a well presented video. Also noted that the cactus 🌵 collection is rearranged. Mmm, is there a hidden purpose? Lolol. Thank you, Doc, you never disappoint.

[@dimepiecetia]

This is a weird case. I have so many questions

[@francescawilliams8177]

I feel conflicted about this case. Sometimes I believe she did it herself then I don't understand how she could in that manner. Mostly someone is not concerned about what people think when they do this, she went out of her way to make it look like something else .

[@zenawarrior7442]

Sounds like she was murdered to me but not sure they could pull it off like you said. Great points again. Thanks Dr G😊💟💟

[@thegatesofdawn...1386]

Seriously, I think it seems unlikely that this was done by her. Confusing.

[@Optics2024]

1:33 the girl you met online. 1:50 the girl you’re going to meet in reality

[@cko8643]

Omg, this comment made me bust out laughing! True!

[@VictoriaMarch13]

🤣🤣🤣 I swear my first thought when I saw that was "she's a CATFISH!!"

[@deborahblackvideoediting8697]

Your comment made me laugh so hard!! 😂😂😂

[@criminalconfidential]

Also, why would someone who’s planning on unaliving themselves bring their cell phone into the woods and smash it? And why would she get chik-fil-a as a “last meal”……I have so many questions. This case really stuck with me.

[@freethinkeralways]

Same here! Nothing makes sense.

[@TrentAdam]

Smashing your phone fits perfectly with the paranoid theory though. I've done that myself. Chic fil a is really neither here nor there. It's just food.

[@C2FUX]

Sir Todd we always look upon you as a impartial voice of reason ever reaching for the answer we all look to find , you are a voice of clarity and retribution in a sea of confusion and mis information from one soul if nothing else , thankyou for doing what you continue to do you help so many people in so many ways xxxx

[@LindysEpiphany]

I think maybe Debbie was talking about the hydrocodone "They aren't going to let me go." Meaning her addiction to the pills......"they." I spent over 15 years in active addiction to hydrocodone and can attest to its powerful grip. For years I worried, "How do I stop?" It doesn't feel like I'll ever be able to stop! Desperate to quit but my brain craved it and my body SCREAMED without it. Friggin endless cycle of hell! Thankfully that is no longer an issue. It's been over 5 years now and I don't have any cravings or desire to relapse. So there is a light at the end of the tunnel but I can remember a time when I could see absolutely no way out! Maybe thats what Debbie was referring to.

[@intentionallyleftblank3016]

Interesting point!

[@thelocalmaladroit8873]

Don’t people having a psychotic break often take their clothes off? What a strange way to lose your mother. (I think I see a new addition over there behind you Doc.)

[@KimberlyLetsGo]

No, they don't strip down usually.

[@celeca7]

People about to die of hypothermia do that sometimes. Maybe that’s what you’re thinking of?

[@Sleepparalysisdemon2]

That isn't typical of a psychotic break. No. Maybe people feigning...because they don't what true psychosis looks like.

[@LluviadeOrugas]

Really?, a woman I was close to took her clothes off before getting into her car to drive herself to where she eventually burned herself to death. I’m still trying to understand why she did it that way when there’re so many less painful ways to go. Her family tells me she had been depressed for a year or so, and had been taking medication prescribed by her regular doctor. Such doctor retired early right after the tragedy happened by the way. The first thing I thought was that the medication could have caused a psychotic episode because I can’t imagine anyone burning themselves if they’re in their right mind.

[@jukie16]

Remember alisa lamb ? She took all her clothes off before she jumped into that water tank.

[@gogo-word]

Is that a relatively current picture of her? She looks quite young for 59. Not suicide. According to autopsy expert she didn't inhale any particles from the fire so she was dead before the burning happened.

[@wigsandfluff5729]

I don’t think she committed suicide.. much easier to just take a lot of pills….I think the daughter may have been involved… 😮

[@shirleymurray157]

Doc, if there were more educated people in this world, like you, the world would be a better place.!!

[@LivinBilly]

There are schools for stuff like that

[@Kindred_37]

Definitely one of my favourite channels

[@Kindred_37]

@@LivinBilly was this suppose to be sarcasm?

[@johnqpublic2718]

​@@Kindred_37 if you have to ask...

[@TheDweeb002]

Beggar

[@patriciamoffat1542]

Perhaps her daughter and the boyfriend moving into her home, was the last straw. She probably had enough to cope with, without 2 idiots arriving on the scene. When she realised she was going to be subjected to a horrible time with her daughter arriving she couldn't bear it. Pity her daughter wasn't concerned enough about her mothers health to give her some support.

[@mariangrove5292]

It was apparently another house that she and / or her husband owned, not where they lived.

[@paulaousley2012]

I think she was murdered, by someone she knew,and now it's suicide

[@tonybosen701]

Andrew

[@DEPARTMENTOFREDUNDANCYDEPT]

"This couple was less like Bonnie and Clyde and more like Itchy and Scratchy!" LOL Dr. Grande!

[@Adrian-zd4cs]

Such an intriguing case. We never know what one person is going through.

[@benjamindover4337]

Car accident injuries can severely decrease a person's quality of life.

[@amyking4289]

I will NEVER, EVER believe this was self-inflicted. Never. Did you catch Amanda's interview on her cousin's youtube? She literally says 'nobody saw her on Friday.....(a sentence or two later) when I saw her on Friday.. WTF

[@susanlee8609]

Thank you! I caught that, too. Big red flag. The cops and coroner botched this up. Left crime scene open, (didn't tape it off, during the time they said it was a homicide, personal and targeted) for the gas can to magically appear later, when the guilty party saw the staged suicide plan had failed without that one piece.

[@bamakat8531]

I will never believe she did this to herself

[@gabriellenojaim261]

I'm right there with you!

[@lauraph5813]

Same. This case haunts me!

[@petermcgoldrick3872]

I will never believe she didn't do this to herself.

[@Liz-pe7xw]

I will say...I was a heroin addict for 20 years...and I have hallucinate. But it is very rare. Like out of the thousands of times I used it has happened maybe 4 times. Also...who knows what was mixed in. They were never dangerous hallucinations. It was mostly confusion...talking to people not there...almost like being between a dream state and awake at the same time. Like when ur falling asleep and start to dream but ur still awake....but more intense. It is possible..but to drive that far, go shopping and execute a plan like that seems very far fetched for an opiate hallucination.

[@linda.cafaro4284]

We are not supposed to laugh at serious stories where people died, but I can’t help it the dr. Is just too funny

[@usakiwi1986]

I can't imagine Debbie walking 1/4 mile down an embankment with a bad back

[@Patriot_Lady1776]

One doesn't burn one's self or clothes to disguise ones identity when there's a car parked next to your body which is rented under your identity. I've always thought the daughter and boyfriend hatched this scheme. I'm not sure that was even Debbie walking into the store. You only see a top down view - no face views. I think Itchy and Scratchy were quite capable of doing this. Who sets themselves on fire in the middle of a forest - the most painful death one can imagine.

[@Adrian-zd4cs]

I had two suicidal patients set themselves on fire. It happens.

[@flamechick6]

I agree. The fact there was a specific amount of money sent to the daughter only...

[@mariefriedmann3203]

It’s true... there is another video somewhere on here of a young woman, mentally ill, who after her death was investigated, was found to have killed herself this way.

[@Catlily5]

Her purse and phone were next to her body as well. I think it was a gruesome way to kill herself.

[@benjamindover4337]

She bought a lighter and then was found burned. Do the math. She took the opiates to knock her out. Stripped naked so the fire would be more effective. I'm not saying it was a good plan.

[@m.a.2836]

Based off of watching Amanda's own words on interviews go from blaming a third party, sounding certain that someone did this to her, but conveniently switched to the suicide theory whenever the internet was suggesting that Amanda and her bf were the third party to blame, I think that this is someone manipulating the willful ignorance towards understanding mental health being prevalent in Georgia. I think "They won't let me go" was a note for her husband, as it was their joint venmo account and he would likely see the transaction were he to check why money was missing from their bank accounts.

[@suejorgensen100]

I wonder what her husband thinks of the whole thing? I haven't heard anything that he has said.

[@hawaiapril]

Her daughter got the money right. So, she killed her & stated the message that way to feign a possible kidnapping story (if needed).

[@nancyevans7946]

Itchy and Scratchy 🤣🤣 Love it 👍

[@lisasmith7]

They were living in a home owned by her step-dad. Not with Debbie. A channel, Crime on the record, had an interview with Amanda. The creator is her cousin. It is very interesting. They did a few other lives about the case. You would probably enjoy them. The cousin is a therapist.

[@Guybrush_U_Threepwood]

Sounds SUPER bias. Pass.

[@lisasmith7]

@o.p.driftwood5484 Either way, it is an interesting watch, IMO

[@touche2584]

Another beautiful night with a new Grande video!!!

[@kevanbaconofficial]

That’s a ridiculously hardass way to off yourself. Jesus.

[@evelynwells-rk1ed]

I think she was killed because her daughter and boyfriend owed some one money!

[@wizzardofpaws2420]

Burning yourself to death is a horrible thought. Shame on her daughter and bf for putting her through hell.

[@librab2497]

And naked?

[@robyndawn]

Why was she undressed. I don't think she did it to.herself

[@samslost6011]

I know this is a strange thing to take away from this story but a family dollar seems like an unlikely place to buy a tarp.

[@TiffanyStarr2141]

I don't understand what the tarp was for either

[@susanlee8609]

Yeah, not one of good quality anyway

[@thesongbird2383]

Dr. Grande - Do you think the daughter may have drugged Debbie, used her phone to both send herself the money, and the text message? But, that leaves the question of how the daughter coaxed Debbie into the store to purchase those odd items... unless Debbie was terrified of her daughter. 👍💜🌵

[@samanthaphillips2547]

At gunpoint.all of it

[@TiffanyStarr2141]

In the video You can see her in the parking lot pull her vehicle over and pause for a moment the exact moment that text was sent. There appears to be no one with her.

[@Puglover130]

There is video and she is alone in the parking lot.

[@sherrykrause3410]

Women don’t take their clothes off, what was the accelerant? To burn yourself you’d have to burn the clothes you have on your body . Where were her clothes? She was partially naked, what part? People are saying that’s her daughter on the store video. Was Debbie that heavy? He face doesn’t show to me to be overweight like the person in the video. What did the dollar store cashier have to say. Why didn’t the husband get a text from Debbie, but her son and daughter. Have they traced the daughter and boyfriend’s cell phone data? What are their alibis? Too many questions!

[@Frowdo]

Seems odd that the police would demand a DNA sample from the daughter given that it would be similar to her mother's for investigating standpoint.

[@pierre6625]

Hello Dr. Grande, to me this is a case with different possibilities as you pointed out. I agree with your final thoughts, Debbie had issues and was responsible for what happened in her last actions and was highly motivated to achieve them. Thank you for this video and Best Regards.

[@claudiamontano519]

Why was Debbie HOLDING on to a branch?. Not buying SUICIDE

[@karenmassey6295]

They all didn't live together in the same house, her husband has a couple of places, and Amanda and her boyfriend lived in 1 of those places, i don't know i still don't believe she unlived herself JMO

[@MattCarvin]

Probably only time I’ve disagreed with Dr Grande. I don’t think Amanda and her husband were sophisticated enough either but they knew shady people and I think someone helped them kidnap Debbie and forced her to buy the supplies at the hardware store -specifically- so she would be seen on camera doing it, and thus could stage it better as a suicide. “They” from “they won’t let me go,” aren’t weird voices in her head or skeletons in her closet lol, she’s referring to someone her daughter must know or know of too. The closeness of the bail amount could be coincidence, but it’s another thing that points back to prison bail, prison relationships, and possible prison origins.

[@memyself4431]

Not her ending her suffering with suffering?? Doesn’t make sense. I believe she was sent on an errand to get those items she was seen purchasing for her own murder! I think someone may have been hiding in that vehicle too. A conspiracy within that family

[@NaveDelAmor]

With due respect, debbie and andrew moved into a rental owned by Steve, not debbies house from what i remember. Why would she buy a rain poncho? What happened to it? I believe the phone waz either cloned or switched by someone close to Debbie. The son is right, someone murdered her.

[@haileennevsmom09]

And hes also right that the cctv isnt debbie its some imposter ..prob her daughter

[@DonJuanDecepticon]

Maybe Debbie was supposed to be at work and was expected to ask to leave early, and she told her daughter they aren’t gonna let me go. I’ve said that plenty of times in that situation.

[@DonJuanDecepticon]

May she had a trip planned with her daughter and then was like well I won’t be going cause I won’t be around but she should go and sent her the money and as to not make her suspect anything was wrong sen”t her a message saying they “her work “wouldn’t let her go”as I’m not give her time off.

[@TiffanyStarr2141]

She wasn't working that day. She had taken that week off work

[@DonJuanDecepticon]

@@TiffanyStarr2141 yeah but maybe she was expected to ask for a specific day off and was just like, I asked about that day they won’t let me go. I’m gonna off myself may as well give my daughter the money for this trip we talked about talking.

[@criminalconfidential]

Or maybe since her and Steve shared a Venmo, it was him saying they were not going to let him leave early. Because I think she was off work for the week. I wonder how long in advance she took the time off, and what her reasoning was for asking for the time off.

[@gabrielesablotny783]

Amanda was somehow involved... carefully calculated.

[@haileennevsmom09]

I believe so also

[@Big_Tex]

Thumbs up for the Itchy & Scratchy reference

[@sharonanderson8680]

Maybe her daughter asked her to pick up a tarp etc because they needed it for something, this way the daughter and boyfriend wouldn't be seen on camera

[@Lenticloudular]

I had a paranoid psychotic episode (or something that could be described as that) following sudden withdrawal of codeine following 2 weeks of use after wisdom teeth removed under general anaesthetic. I'm very sensitive to opiods it seems.

[@HeatherHolt]

That’s so scary.

[@Lenticloudular]

@@HeatherHolt yes, I heard voices and thought I could hear bad people plotting bad things through the wall, and I thought that my friends knew I was insane but were sweetly looking after me, discreetly, without me knowing that they knew or were doing it, and they were protecting me from "the men in the white coats". Lasted a few hours. Felt terrified. Couldn't tell anyone : felt shame, panic, loss of control, fear, and that my life was a sham. All that from two weeks of codeine.

[@blazefairchild465]

The daughter & boyfriend moved into a rental that her mother & stepfather owned . I believe this was a different address than Debbie’s home. I have a hard time understanding why she would drive to a dollar store after passing 2 or 3 other dollar stores on her way the turn around to go back .It was also mentioned that the daughter was as heavy as her mom & could wear her clothes, the person in the store could be the daughter with a wig on . I understand Debbie s son having a hard time believing suicide. The money sent to the daughter was the amount needed for the daughters boyfriends rehab center that was close to where Debbie died. I don’t know if he was court ordered to attend because of parole or something jail or prison related as he had been in trouble for domestic abuse on Debbie’s daughter, I don’t think a mother would pay the man who beat her daughters rehab money & thus think it’s odd the money that he needed the same day she died was taken from her account. It will be a long time until I will think of this as a suicide. I feel bad for her two children , all they have is each other & the son is looking side at his drug addicted sister and her bf as a possible reason his mom is dead. So am I still.

[@BigZebraCom]

Just a reminder I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating about the little cactus on the far right that looks a lot like Beaker the muppet. I name him 'mini-beaker' so that he will not be confused with a previous large plant named 'Beaker'.

[@5954ldydi]

CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU DR GRANDE for surpassing 1.25 MILLION KZbin Subscribers!!! 🎈

[@roseredm1]

Can you evaluate the missing Mikelle Biggs from Mesa, AZ in 1999? She was never found.

[@Pimpernella]

There are so many things that are asumed in this case, that the most logical things are left for no one to notice. Like the message Debbie sent, her injuries and that telephone call her daughter had with her aunt...almost the first thing she told her aunt was that altercation that had happened quite a while before with that truck driver. Clearly used to cause suspicion away from the obvious. If you are about to kill someone you can use their phone and pretend you are that person. The amount of the money was just enough to pay what her daughter's boyfriend needed to pay what he owed to 'person x'. And the two of them reconcile a few months !ater and you see them going at each other after Debbie passed away??? It is like the solution is staring you right in the face but proving it might not seem so easy...shame on everyone who dealt with this case. There are murderers in your backyard and gave them a free pass. In the small chance they will never do anything wrong ever again is a small one if you hear how Debbie died. That isn't someone who should run around free. That person or maybe two won't stop here. They enjoyed it a little too much. Low intelligence and being cruel, prisons are filled with them. Hope you can sleep as a baby. For now at least.

[@garbagecan6969]

Bravo, you did a better job analyzing and describing the potential events that took place in one comment, than the police have done in nearly a year of investigation. I haven't watched the interview, but I bet the ones working this case didn't pay much attention to it either. It's so easy for them to say it's not my problem, but when the shoe is on the other foot guess who turns into a big crybaby, pathetic. On top of the already damming evidence that she did NOT commit suicide, it doesn't make sense to bring a tarp, a rain poncho, paper towels, and then kill yourself on the tarp and leave all the evidence and there, that negates the point of preparing all this stuff to make it look planned. If she was trying to frame her daughter, she would have to cut herself, smear blood all over the paper towels and clothing, fatally wound herself, then roll herself up in a tarp and roll down the hill into the ravine. THATS NUTS, it makes 0 sense to say someone that average planned to commit suicide in the stupidest, most suspicious way possible. Nobody would leave that much evidence of murder on purpose. Its clear that she was not supposed to catch fire and run through the woods leaving a mess everywhere, something went wrong during the murder and her captor or captors fled the scene in a panic. If it was truly intended to play out this way, it would be too risky to hope that the cops wouldn't suspect foul play, but these were not smart criminals. And yet the police don't even suspect murder anymore, what a JOKE. The location is a specific place as well, how did she know there was a logging road there, why would she choose such a dark place to end her life.

[@claudiamontano519]

Don't agree with you Dr. Debbie was KILLED by the boyfriend and or the daughter. Looks to me she had the intentions of meeting her husband at the game. ?why did she Venmo the daughter MONEY. The neighbor hearing yelling concerns me. Debbie was KILLED !!!!!

[@haileennevsmom09]

I agree.. i also think the person making the purchase was an imposter

[@Lisa3066]

I still believe she was murdered

[@haileennevsmom09]

The daughter is still sus imo

[@tencentpistol1]

Hey Dr. Grande, well, here's another attemt at an amateur alliteration: Debbie's destiny, a disparaging death indeed, definitely deemed suicidal September 11th, but Amanda and Andrews' alibi seems mysteriously murky. Had the husband helped with her hydrocodone habit, hopefully she may have seen someone, supposedly a suitable psychiatrist to suspend her sad situation. Let me know what you think👍👍😃😃🙊

[@darkcrystalmagik3369]

It's misinformed & demeaning to assume that bc someone uses a Dr prescribed opioid, that it's a "habit". Ever heard of those living with chronic pain conditions? Some ppl have to take pain medication every day of their lives and still live with limiting circumstances, broken dreams, & physical agony you can only imagine- plus despite being unable to work, on top of all that, those ones in the USA get to live in poverty as well . Such ppl are brave survivors and do nothing deserve to be referred to as drug addicts.

[@Sleepparalysisdemon2]

@@darkcrystalmagik3369 Your comment made me cry. I know this case is about Debbie...but for one time hearing someone speak about chronic pain the way you did hits it better than I've heard it put before. It is a barely understood beast. You are extremely insightful.

[@tencentpistol1]

@@darkcrystalmagik3369 listen, 1. It was just an alliteration, not to be taken seriously. 2, I'm IN RECOVERY ALSO, for heroin!!! so take your own advice and maybe stop with the self righteous attitude when you know NOTHING about me or anyone else posting here. 3 get a life and then GO LIVE IT!!! 4 Try on some compassion you may find it enlightening. 5 Have a great day! ✌

[@tencentpistol1]

@@darkcrystalmagik3369 also, NOWHERE did I call anyone an addict but myself. Are you speaking from experience? Doesnt sound like it. Also, I live WAAAAY below the poverty line. Again, maybe stop with the accusatory tone and perhaps post positive points pertinent to someone's situation. (That was another alliteration just for you) look the definition up as you seemingly don't know what they are. Again, have a great day.✌

[@hmac163]

“more like Itchy and Scrarchy” 😂😂😂

[@vastvideos7212]

Good narration as always,I respect your opinion and your probably right especially bcuz police would more than likely find more evidence pointing to someones guilt. It's hard to imagine someone picking tha way to play the end game but could have a religious aspect In many ancient cultures fire was a symbol of purification partly due an old belief tha the more pain inflicted to someone in this life would increase the chances of a better afterlife.

[@seesnap]

Why not just have alerts when cleaning products are bought along with zip ties black bags rope etc.

[@SusieQUnleashed]

I had thought for sure her daughter was involved

[@Voyagersk9]

This one is weird!

[@theglobalvagabond3074]

Hello Everybody from Virginia.

[@oregonsnob31]

Hello from Oregon! You’re up late!

[@QuinnieMae]

Hello from Colorado! I should've been asleep an hour ago!!

[@LiverpoolGarden]

Hello from cold California

[@123gozane]

I just had surgery and I'm on Hydrocodone, and I'm fine. The walls just bleed every now and them and the giant spiders keep their distance so I'm good..

[@zenobiadecrespin7561]

Oh 😮 i had never heard that paranoid people use fire 🚒🔥. That might change how i feel totally. I just found it odd. This case gripped me emotionally. Still does. Thank you for sharing your thoughts

[@exceptionaltalentspc4954]

This is so disturbing. A horrible way to die. It makes no sense. Mental health issues and meds adversed side effects seem to explain this tragic outcome. RIP Debbie.

[@zenobiadecrespin7561]

Oh 😮 i had never heard that paranoid people use fire 🚒🔥. That might change how i feel totally. I just found it odd. This case gripped me emotionally. Still does

[@irenestrmnss4496]

WHY WOULD DEBBIE WANT THOSE 2 TO MOVE INTO HER HOUSE ??? 2 DRUG ADDICTS ? WHY ? TO SUPPORT HER WELL GROWN DAUGHTER ( OVER 30 YEAR OLD ) WITH DRUG PROBLEMS AND HER NOT- SYMPATHIC BOYFRIEND , A DRUG ADDICT !!! WHY WOULD YOU WANT THOSE 2 IN YOUR HOUSE ??? I WOULD NOT. AT LEAST NOT THE BOYFRIEND.!!! THAT TELLS ME THAT DEBBIE WAS TOO KIND OR TOO NICE. THAT SHE LOVED HER DAUGHTER, MAYBE TOO MUCH . I UNDERSTAND PARENTS WANT TO HELP TROUBLED KIDS. I HAVE KIDS . BUT SO STRANGE THE BOYFRIEND MOVED IN. BOTH OF THEM. I WOULD NOT, NEVER LET A MAN LIKE HIM IN MY HOUSE AT ALL. BUT DEBBIE WAS MAYBE SOFT HEARTED OR MENTALLY ILL ? STRANGE CASE. !!! WOMEN USUALLY JUST TAKE PILLS AND DRUGS TO UNLIVE THEMESELVES. MOST HAVE BEEN VERY IN A PSYCOSIS / CONFUSED/ DELOUSIONAL STATE OR PSYCOTIC TO DO THAT TO HERSELF. OR KIDNAPPED ? SAD SAD . POOR DEBBIE.

[@leese.23]

I just don't believe the unalive situation. There's so many other ways to do that not involving lighters and being on a logging road, etc. Plus the amount she sent is supposedly what was owed on the daughter's boyfriends fines.

[@ValkyrieofNOLA]

If she indeed took her own life, I think she either didn’t want it to appear as a suicide because she didn’t want to shame her or her family; or she wanted her life insurance to go to her husband and kids. Many policies have suicide clauses that prevent the beneficiary from being paid if the death was self inflicted. So maybe she was just trying to make sure her family would be compensated. Or…she was actually that vindictive and was trying to frame her daughter for her murder. Somehow I don’t see that as the most reasonable explanation. Her daughter was unfairly treated and targeted by the media strictly because she has a past. As a fellow recovering addict and convicted felon, I know all too well how your past can be interpreted as being the most compelling evidence of guilt. Just because someone has a drug problem, especially if they have gotten into trouble due to drugs, doesn’t necessarily make them a career criminal. Amanda was charged with crimes related to domestic disputes with her boyfriend who also had drug problems. She doesn’t have a history of violence or violent behavior. She hasn’t been involved with any crime that victimized her family or anything that would indicate she is capable of killing her own mother!! But her inconsistencies don’t inspire much confidence in her either. Maybe she didn’t share her mother’s suspicious behavior at first because she didn’t realize how important it was. Or maybe she didn’t want to believe that her mother had taken her own life in such a horrific manner and she blocked it out. This is one of those things that will always remain a mystery. Only Debbie herself knows what happened that day in the woods. Only she knows what her intentions were and what motivated her to do what she did. However, there’s no evidence that her death was caused by another person, only assumptions and circumstantial clues that would never stand up in court.

[@alyross3081]

This is a very unusual way for a woman, in particular, to commit suicide. I don’t believe she tried to frame her daughter, but maybe her daughter’s boyfriend or even her husband? I just can’t see a mother with that level of hatred towards her daughter. She recently allowed them to live with her and would have to know that her daughter’s record and the Venmo would point suspicion straight to her. I also don’t think there is any level of hydrocodone taking that would enable her not to feel the tremendous, horrifying, pain of fire. I think you would have to be completely unconscious or even dead from that amount of opioid. And if that’s the case, how did she start the fire? Absent the fire, I might accept suicide, but I just can’t.

[@advantager355]

Thank you for your analysis of this quizzical death. Nothing will change the fact that Debbie died. Rest in peace Debbie.

[@JustMe-ll3zm]

My guess? Amanda wanted money and she was forced to send the money. Or the killer sent that money from her phone. Either way Amanda and her boyfriend are involved. I also find it strange that he was accusing her of stealing money from him for drugs when his mother sold drugs. Maybe he was there to collect a debt. Meaning she owed him for drugs and she never stole anything to begin with. But who knows.

[@usakiwi1986]

I still don't agree she took her own life

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this very intriguing case. Happy Friday, Dr. Grande.❤

[@shadaniels4126]

Idk it's over my head since I don't have any information that's more in depth but l will say she could have been murdered and they were good at covering it up after all she's burnt over 80% of her body coroner stated...

[@christiangasior4244]

Wow Amanda looks amazing in the first pic and terrible in that mugshot. Drugs…

[@neilgoldsmith482]

Dr Grande. I love your analyses of these unbelievable circumstances. Big fan. I love your dry yet extremely funny comments. 1 question why do you have all those cacti behind you. 😂

[@sarahcovell1169]

I would be curious to know if she also had taken Ambien. In my experience this causes bizarre behavior more than opioids

[@adrialee8149]

Wasnt she found near a drug treatment facility...she was addicted to opiates is it possible she meant they arent going to let me go as in the rehab didn't have any beds at the moment? Idk this one is just so weird. And she was trying to kill herself via smoke inhalation not burning herself in my opinion. Hence the tarp?

[@laynecurry7960]

The itchy and scratchy comment had me bust out laughing. You're the best, Dr G.

[@Barbara-yg7bj]

I think that they should investigate Debbies relationship with daughter then then arrows will point directly to the daughter and her boyfriend,

[@crazybkimber]

I hope you analyze the Karen garage couple confronting kids for flipping them off

[@dejuhvu1793]

I do think this was a suicide or some type of strange accident. However, I think L.E is holding back a lot of evidence from the public. They publically communicated that this was likely a homicide. They owe it to the public to help us understand why this was a suicide & why they think there isn’t a murderer out there anymore. I don’t know why they haven’t updated the public since the last press conference. They’ve handled this whole situation very poorly. Amanda is the only one who cared & helped find Debbie when she was missing. It’s a shame she was attacked while grieving her mother’s death.

[@Revolver1701]

This is such a strange and terrible case. Debbie died near my home. It is difficult to piece together the facts and make it make sense. To this day there is a small memorial at the entrance to the woods road leading to where her body was found. Very sad.

[@Gafferman]

Wouldn't it make more sense to say "Today's request is" as "Can I?" is always just "Yes, you can"

[@intentionallyleftblank3016]

I know he CAN… and he apparently WILL, because, here is a video!!