Did Prager U Just Accidentally Release a PRO Trans Documentary?

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[@IronCladBeliever]

They have someone admit that their father had them sexually abused by a prostitute and I'm supposed to think that the doctors offering them bottom surgery if they wanted it is supposed to be the scary part of their story...

[@Slashx92]

Wack

[@newutopians]

Both are bad. But having your genitals cut off is immeasurably worse - and irreversible.

[@E3AloeLi]

As someone who was assaulted and is trans. It’s so disgusting for them to try to brush off the sexual abuse, or from my interpretation say that, that “influenced” their choice to be trans.

[@cackle529]

"My father had me get raped as a teen." PragerU: "👍👍👍" "After that i went to my therapist." PragerU: "OMINOUS MUSIC"

[@CTimmerman]

There goes her bride price. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29; Exodus 22:16-17)

[@irrelevant_noob]

@@CTimmerman guess that means you didn't make it to 29:05? ^^

[@Almatty]

@cackle529 Watch that part of the video again 29.00 . The storm sound effects and creepy tones literally start AS the guy is relating what his father did to him with the prostitute. Your joke is like communism: it only makes sense to you if you haven't been paying attention.

[@CesRaisons]

All I can imagine is the correct buzzer and then the incorrect buzzer lmao

[@MoMo-ke1iq]

@@CTimmermanobject moment

[@Xenomnipotent]

It’s really telling how in PragerU’s “documentary”, the pictures of all the people expressing themselves as trans are vibrant and happy, whereas their detransitioned selves are absolutely miserable and self-hating.

[@LaSerpentDEden]

​@@TurtleChad1I wish the mods would ban you. You're such a disengenous troll.

[@FunAngelo2005]

Republicans are truely evil monsters are they???

[@wintyyy_]

​@@TurtleChad1please find a hobby other than commenting on vaush videos lmao

[@jdavis7993]

​@@wintyyy_How dare you sir, he comments on Hasan videos too.

[@jj947]

@@wintyyy_at least on Reddit it keeps track of your upvotes, for whatever’s that’s worth. KZbin doesn’t record how many likes your comments get lol

[@RaroHi]

If trans women can alter our voices to sound more feminine, there's literally no reason detransitioned cis women cannot.

[@MidnightEkaki]

yeah many detransitioned AFAB people do voice training like trans women. a lot of the problems can be solved if you just learn self acceptance and theres a lot of medical resources to make changes if you want them. you can have surgery to have breasts again and a vagina if you want them. also women can have deep voices, facial hair, hair loss etc cis or not. its not as bad as these people try to make it out to be. no you wont ever be the same as you were but people change every day thats just part of life

[@TsukadaHina]

I'm a transwoman who is doing voice training. It's super hard to do and some actually need voice surgery.

[@Qq-xs1fz]

Unless they do not really want to, is that what you're implying?

[@littleghost6102]

@@Qq-xs1fz no, the point is that they really don’t have that much to be complaining about when all of us have to do the exact same thing

[@-cj-]

It takes a lot of determination and time, but ya, anyone can do it Never done any voice acting, started in my 20s, still making steady progress!

[@Grace-tg4oy]

It's tragic when someone is a victim of religious trauma, but when you are now inflicting that abuse onto others, that's when I stop feeling bad for you.

[@dinodare1605]

I still feel bad. Hating what they do and the person they've become isn't mutually exclusive to feeling bad for them. It's like a villain with a sympathetic backstory.

[@_skud]

​@@dinodare1605agreed. The reason they are like this is because of systemic failure, conservative messaging, and loads upon loads of abuse.

[@jimbob498]

Religious trama? What the fuk are you babbling about?

[@TimeLord675]

@@dinodare1605 As TV Tropes would say, "Freudian Excuse is no excuse." The moment they start victimizing others, fuck them.

[@sophiepooks2174]

@@_skud True, and western societies always shift further right, become more conservative in times of economic uncertainty and fear of change,fear of losing what they have grown up with and are used to, think of as normality.

[@betterthanrae8137]

literally any medical provider that gives any treatments without informed consent is already illegal and unethical-regardless of what type of disease or illness. imagine a doctor telling a 50 year old cis woman that shes not "allowed" to have a nose job-because their giant nose makes her feel depressed.

[@apollofell3925]

Statistically speaking more people regret nose jobs than they do transitioning

[@ArDeeMee]

@@apollofell3925 It’s still their own decision, that’s the whole point of cosmetic surgery.

[@dinosaysrawr]

@@ArDeeMee , of course, medical providers should absolutely do their due diligence, but it's extremely telling that we don't see anyone wringing their hands about people who regret their nose jobs or hip replacements and suggesting that we need even more strict gatekeeping to bring the rate of regret down to zero. Also, yeah, at the end of the day, people have bodily autonomy, and honoring that fundamental right means that we continue to uphold it even if other people's choices strike us as odd, misguided, or stupid.

[@dinosaysrawr]

@@pinkheart-vn6pp , yep! Across every field and specialty, one may encounter quacks, hacks, and moldy oldies who should've retired from the field (or at least tried to accrue more CEUs) a decade ago! There's also sadly no shortage of corrupt, broken, and underfunded institutions and agencies to be found, too! Also, just by the numbers, there are waaaaaaay more hacks and quacks who've harmed their patients with their anti-queer bigotry and ignorance than those who've harmed their clients by being too affirming or gung-ho.

[@Gunkle_Jeb]

@@apollofell3925 they also just- let kids get nose jobs? Where’s the pushback for performing rhinoplasty on a kid because they’re getting bullied at school?

[@Nukabun]

As a detransitioner myself I can confirm that despite detransitioning my parents not being accepting of my identity and gender exploration only sent me into far deeper depression and ruined our relationship all of their disgusting words towards me did nothing to make me realize I was okay with my birth sex I came to that conclusion on my own DESPITE them trying to push me to it

[@soupsoup8006]

Im glad to hear you found yourself despite of a difficult parental environment 🌸

[@betterthanrae8137]

wait, so do conservatives like, "believe" in depression and anxiety and advocate for therapy as treatment for those things now? this video is trying to say that in the place of any kind of gender affirming treatment-we should use therapy and get treatment for depression....because they DO NOT believe that.

[@jordank4889]

Exactly lol. It's like the red herring of "well we have to wait for these trans kids to just be gay, they're all gay all of them, so just never treat them as if they might be trans EVER for some reason" And then it's like, well okay this may conveniently rationalize all trans people out of existence, but you're saying you'll at least accept the gay then? "...no."

[@Nemo12417]

The only time conservatives talk about mental health is to disparage people they dislike or to imply mass shooters are mentally ill.

[@morisan42]

the other thing about regret rates is it's a one-time answer to a question that might change drastically over time. Like.. If you had some surgery with complications that caused you to be in a massive amount of physical pain for many months or something, asked during that period you may express regret, but a few years later in hindsight see why the surgery was necessary

[@al.trash.41]

Holy shit i saw the original daisy detrans video three years ago i had no idea that was the same person cuz they did NOT say the same thing in that og vid. In the og vid they said that they weren't upset that they transitioned and that they just saw it as a stage in their life and that it lead them to finding god or whatever. This person is 100% dealing with religious guilt holy shit i feel bad for them. They did not have these "transgenderism is brainwashing the youth" points three years ago they were even still appreciative of the trans community.

[@gogetyourgun1490]

Daisy had a audio recording before she detransitioned. She said she was desperate for friends, her family kept misgendering & deadnaming her, & she was keep into transmedicalism to the point where she was picking apart everything about her manhood. You can tell she was dealing with the same type of loneliness that men deal with. I also think with her graduating from college in 2020 & the anxiety of job hunting as well as the pressure to make a LOT of money as a man effected her. So right after graduating, she immediately got married to a man she dated for only 1 year, got pregnant immediately afterwards, & is now going to have 2 kids by 2024. So within a course of 4 years, she got detransitioned, got married, had 2 kids, & is now a stay at home mom. I can understand being a stay at home mom might be "easy", but it's not because there is no time off, no pay, & no health insurance. Also it's really not recommended to give up your financial autonomy & agency to a man without some sort of backup plan because you don't know if the marriage isn't gonna work out or that childcare for 2 kids is so expensive that you need dual incomes. Also, just like how she used her transmedicalism to prove she is "trans enough" & "man enough", she's using her marriage, kids, & religion to prove she is "woman enough". Her detransition was just as extreme & quick as her transition. She really did make a prison of her own making. It's really sad. It's honestly only a matter of time.

[@parkerbarker2099]

dude,. the first tweet actually broke me- "I have to be the best mother/wife I can" DUde thats fucjing horrible

[@pedro-pascals-armpit]

keffals did a video a while ago that was titled something like "my doctors lied to me about transitioning" i think?? and in it she was like "they didn't tell me how fucking awesome it would be to transition and that i would be happy and have the best sex of my life" and i hope the people in this documentary will one day soon get there too.

[@SynysterProjects]

I'm getting two morals from this story... 1) she got pregnant and now feels like she has to put up the facade of the "nuclear family" 2) Christianity is literally programmed to destroy the individuality and happiness of its believers. I'm not Trans, hell I'm not even LGBTQ+. I'm an ally. But I empathize with these people so much, because the self-hate I endured for years over not being able to lie to myself and continue pretending to believe in something that I knew wasn't real, having been born and raised Presbyterian Baptist, was immense and nearly destroyed me as well. I can only hope these people see what they're doing to themselves and what those they surround themselves with are doing to them before it's too late. They deserve to be happy. They deserve to be who they are, not who they have to pretend to be for their "God" or their "loved ones".

[@Krysfranqui3638]

I just need to point out the fact that when Ollie is describing how he felt when he started testosterone, you can hear the happiness and enthusiasm and excitement in his voice still. There’s no trauma there’s no this was a mistake in his voice. He clearly still has a positive feelings about the prospect of transitioning. I’m sorry everything he’s saying against transitioning was probably written for him.

[@nenasadie]

Their claim that dysphoria is a symptom of depression is demonstrably false. I've suffered MDD for 40 years. I've suffered abuse, I'm bi, and I was a tomboy, but I never had any gender dysphoria. Those who do have dysphoria need gender affirming care. That might include transitioning or it might not. It might include puberty blocking until later. But gender affirming care saves lives. Trans people are not just "depressed" Gender dysphoria is real. And you can hate me if you want, but I don't think a person should have to wait until middle age or even later to get that treatment. So many people won't survive that long. Depression is a symptom of untreated dysphoria IMHO.

[@jimbob498]

“Gender affirming care” is malpractice

[@BRAINSPLATTER16]

​@@jimbob498transphobia is a mental disorder.

[@michaelfox3486]

55 years old from TN, knew at the age of five. A trans kid raised southern baptist forced to wear a dress in christian school way before the internet, social media and no gender clinics back then. Christian conversion therapy. Couldn't beat, shame or shun to change me. Tennessee is brutal to trans and intersex people. Surgeries and transition 30 years ago. No regrets. False christians are rough on trans people.

[@RaspberryTurtle]

This guy is so based its crazy, going in my subscribed page

[@erikbrock5444]

The music and narration says no, but the footage and dialogue says yes. I choose to believe that the editor got halfway through cutting the film, suddenly realized their uniform had skulls all over it, and not in the cool way, so they decided to use their powers for good by making every shot of the movie as self-refuting as they thought they could get away with.

[@thecatsbackyard4833]

I never hear any outrage over how many people are involuntarily circumcised in America. Nobody ever calls out how weird that kind of genital mutilation is when it's involuntary and not even primarily done to Jewish babies. At least gender affirming care is voluntary. There's actually a choice. I feel like choice is maybe the thing that triggers Denis Praeger most about this.

[@Kimberly_Sparkles]

The unironic discussion of indoctrination. What's was it? Watching pro-Trans content and asking what gender the subject was. Like, friend...asking the question is really a big sign that you are not cisgender. As a cisgender person, I watched my first documentary about a trans woman in the late 1980s when I was 9 and my real takeaways were that it's so wonderful that medicine can allow that lady to be who she is. Like asking the questions is a sign you have questions that brought you to the content.

[@im_aleey]

Yeah, in my entire existence as a cis male and learning about trans people. My first question was "why would anyone want to change their gender?" This was before I learned about gender dysphoria. I never questioned my identity because I learned of trans people. If you're questioning your gender identity because you learn of the existence of trans people, then it's likely you might have been dysphoric, and learning this just made you realize something about yourself.

[@OneEyeShadow]

"I have to be miserable for Jesus, my lord and savior." That tweet is just very sad. They're basically forcing themselves to be miserable to appease a bunch of assholes in their life.

[@apollofell3925]

AS THOUGH JESUS, THE MAN WHO DINED WITH ROBBERS AND LEPERS, WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE WITH QUEER FOLKS

[@jordank4889]

I wish they'd ask themselves why their savior wants them to be miserable. It seems like a savior would be incapable of that by definition. Their savior would probably want them to shine as their best self.

[@Argumemnon]

Jesus was miserable and suffered, so you have to also, it seems.

[@GenreBGoode]

​@@Argumemnonhe saved you from the damnation he himself imposed. What more do you want? Can't save everyone from everything, ya know. Not like he created existence or anything.

[@apollofell3925]

@@jordank4889 Christian guilt is no joke. "Oh you're miserable? How miserable do you think Jesus was carrying the weight of all humanity's past and future sins when He died on the cross?" Self-repression is considered noble.

[@Argumemnon]

"The trans community found me." It's like Hagrid comes to your house and then he's all "Olivia, you're a TRANS!"

[@glacierwolf2155]

"Would you like to go to the wonderful world of VRChat and attend Transgender University?"

[@neil2444]

Imagine making a decision, realizing that it was wrong, and then deciding that consequently, it was the fault of someone other than yourself that you made that decision to begin with. I suppose it's easier than simply acknowledging that you made a mistake. Regret rates exist for any type of cosmetic surgery as well, and so long as the regret rates are far higher for cosmetic surgery, I don't take issue that there *may* be people who transition and regret it afterwards. All the propaganda on the right can do is show that people who regret transitioning *exist*. Like no shit, it's a big planet. You're going to find scientologist vegan bearded little people if you search hard enough. It says absolutely nothing about anything. So no, it isn't some attack by the trans community. The truth is that nobody likes to admit when they've made a mistake, and they double down on any idea that would discourage this thought. Now that I think of it, that explains conservative thought well.

[@Argumemnon]

@@neil2444 Not only that, but you decide that everyone else who makes that decision is also wrong.

[@Chelaxim]

​@Argumemnon I said I didn't like a certain SOPHIE song... then the trans community found me.

[@HotDogTimeMachine385]

Get away from parental figures who force you to hide yourself and are abusive and enter a magical world of people like you, who accept you, where you can be yourself and participate in things that are cool to you? There's a reason why Harry Potter resonated with so many queer kids

[@holdommi7505]

it’s so disturbing that the documentary brought up a corrective r*pe the second person went through and didn’t even comment on it being a bad thing.

[@justcallmekai1554]

Worse yet misidentified the issue. The problem was the dad and prostitute but the doc twist it into being trans. That implies that if they weren't so silly believing they were Trans to begin with maybe their dad wouldn't have done that to them. It's sick in the head.

[@liesalllies]

That part honestly made me cry, how fucked up.

[@chriscortez2036]

@@justcallmekai1554They’re literally victim blaming him for being r*ped because he was trans. F**king disgusting

[@Horseofhope]

In patriarchal worldview men can't be rpd by women, and the point they're making is "even free pssy couldn't fix him! That's how deep they got their hooks in him! Imagine not liking free pssy! How crazy is that?"

[@HarryDirtay]

It's definitely abuse apologia.

[@PumkRock]

I feel SO SORRY for the dude who de-transitioned for jesus, and openly admits he's still experiencing gender dysphoria. A few months after I came out as transgender, my life basically fell apart, I don't want to go into extreme detail- but the day I obtained my first dose of HRT, everyone around me realised I was serious, this wasn't a phase. My (allegedly pansexual) wife left me, most of my friends turned on me, I very nearly lost my job, I very nearly lost my house, and I was essentially completely excommunicated from my family. I was desperate to undo what I'd done, put the toothpaste back into the tube- go back to pretending I was cis and didn't constantly wish I had been born a girl. Shit I would literally have volunteered for conversion therapy if I wasn't bisexual and didn't already have enough background on the concept to know that it doesn't work. but I realised like... I wouldn't ever be happy if I detransitioned. I'd always have to deal with the dysphoria. The dysphoria that was getting worse and worse with each passing year. Even if everyone took me back in, I'd feel like that until the day I died. Probably young, because the dysphoria made me feel like I'd missed my shot at the life I wanted, that I'd never be a woman. At the time I believed that, but just trying anyway was better than the alternative, a life of pretending to be a man I always knew I wasn't, never really living the way I wanted to. it wasn't worth it. The thought that someone else stood at that same crossroads and was pushed into accepting a life of dysphoria instead? Since everything went wrong I'm starting to get my life back together- I've made new friends, I've had such amazing experiences, a whole new world opened up to me, and it's caring, and loving, and even when it's scary there's so much *solidarity* in the face of it. It's everything I dreamed it would be. I might even get to keep my house. And best of all I get to be a girl. I get to be me. Even in these stressful times I've never felt more excited for the future and optimistic in my entire life. The thought of someone else being denied that happiness- to live their entire life feeling as hollow and wrong as I did before? It's horrifying?! why would they want to do this to someone?

[@loopholesloopy]

I'm so sorry you went through that, but I am glad that you are doing better and you get to do it how you feel you should, a life of concession to people who only cared for you as long as you were convenient would have been even worse for sure.

[@PumkRock]

@@loopholesloopy One of the most painful parts about starting transition was realising exactly this. So many people I held in such high regard, people I loved, even people I would die for... Dropped me like a sack of shit because I had become *inconvenient*. Whether it was not wanting to explain me to people, genuine transphobia, or just that being seen with a tr*nny was cringe and embarrassing. People who were foundational in my support network VANISHED the moment I said I was trans. I regretted it for a long time, wished I'd never come out. But after being on HRT for a while- it really is everything I always dreamed would happen to my body as a kid, that easily. And my new friends don't just want me because I'm convenient, they have stood by me through some of my worst breakdowns, most hopeless hours, one even saved me from a suicide attempt. The people I sleep with now find me attractive for the way I want to present, not because I looked like a handsome femboy type dude on the outside and that's all that mattered. Above all else my life feels *authentic* now. I don't want to die anymore- I wouldn't give this up for anything. I never want to stop.

[@ArDeeMee]

You go, girl. Get revenge on them by being happy!

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

They want to do this to people because they are literally Nazis. They thrive on suffering.

[@FunAngelo2005]

Because they are evil

[@Moneyman2448]

Schrödinger's trans parent: simultaneously forcing their kid to be trans, while having no say in their kid transitioning.

[@paulhammond6978]

You mean... liberal/supportive parents of trans kids have "forced" their kid to be trans, while those who are anti-trans have had no power to stop their kid's transition, but apparently the teachers and the people on the internet have "made" them do it because it's just so trendy.

[@nondescriptcat5620]

"thus, by a constant shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemy is at once too strong and too weak."

[@FelisImpurrator]

Schrodinger's transparent: Simultaneously see-through and opaque.

[@downstream0114]

I think the argument goes if they're liberal they're making their kids trans and if the parents are conservative they have no say.

[@Passw0rdYT]

​@@nondescriptcat5620ah, Eco's 8th law of quantum thermodynazi

[@cheetaking243]

"They gave me my letters for bottom surgery without even asking." I call BULL. FREAKING. CRAP. That is NOT something that happens. I had to go through 3 therapists to get my letters for bottom surgery, with me directing the entire process. Bottom surgery is NEVER something forced on trans people, period. And it takes two letters, not one. (With one being a full evaluation from a clinical psychologist/psychiatrist.) Bottom surgery is BY FAR the most gatekept aspect of transition.

[@Kaanfight]

I’m willing to bet he’s only saying that because he wants to save face in front of his dad. I think he’s likely doing a lot of this out of fear of losing his family

[@MidnightEkaki]

oops i slipped and fell into getting bottom surgery

[@thefirstone4864]

If anything is transphobe forces bottom surgery into trans peaple. Ex: Iran

[@Qq-xs1fz]

So because you were lucky enough to get to decent therapists and doctors then everyone certainly had the same experience and if they claim they did not they are lying?

[@cheetaking243]

@Qq-xs1fz 2 recommendation letters, at least 1 of them from a clinical psychologist/psychiatrist, is the standard for basically every trans bottom surgery, regardless of which surgeon or which therapists are involved. Also it takes a year of living full-time before you're even eligible. What the detrans person in the video is claiming, that it was forced on him very early on in the process, is literally impossible. If you don't believe me, you can read it yourself in the WPATH standards of care. (The blueprint that basically all trans healthcare in the world is based around.)

[@OpheliaTerat]

Being dysphoric to the point you often fantasize and dream about being a guy, but thinking you're an awful sinner for feeling that way because of religion sounds like hell. Also what they describe as grooming in the documentary, looking at happy trans people's videos and researching trans stuff, isn't even grooming. What that guy said his dad did is grooming.

[@andrewkoster6506]

As per usual, every conservative accusation is actually a confession.

[@HotDogTimeMachine385]

The world christian conservatives want.

[@Koichi-Kun]

Thanks Catholic church, for perverting your own religion

[@WITCHCATFT]

I was once in that hell. It was awful.

[@littlestone1541]

What the dad did to their kid by taking them to sex workers and forcing them to have intercourse is absolutely repugnant. How to damage your kid, jesus christ! Christian consevatism in a nutshell. What's the saying "there's no hate like Christian love"?

[@leojansch7862]

Might be an old call out but that mini series that talked about the Duggar family is “no hate like christian love” in a nutshell.

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

These are the same people who say no sex before marriage.

[@lukemccann8930]

Ironically there are right wing "Christian" groups that make fear mongering anti immigrant videos about gang members sexually abusing young siblings in this way too but saying "see what monsters these scary brown people are?!?" every accusation as they say

[@snapgab]

I seriously hope that they end up being prosecuted or something, because holy shit it's so incredibly messed up.

[@FelisImpurrator]

Wait, what? I'm not even at that part yet. Isn't that a felony? Was the kid a minor? Edit: Oh. Ohhh. So that's why the dad crossed the border to Mexico. So it couldn't be prosecuted. Sure do love these "traditional values".

[@rusky9110]

I actually know a guy who regrets his heart surgery. Was getting a leaking valve replaced and had a stroke on the table, changed his life forever. But he doesn't run around saying no one should get heart valve surgery.

[@ObservingtheObserver]

I can't imagine he thinks the surgery was a bad idea, even if he regrets the complication

[@lucacuneo7218]

@@ObservingtheObserverpeople actually regret surgery much more then you would think. Stuff like chemo has 14% regret rates. Replacement surgeries are by far the highest

[@StAmander]

Both Ozzy Osborne and myself regret spinal fusion. Mine was a "success" at getting my nerves to work again, but since it's the fucking Middle Ages here, I'm in pain with nothing that works. Had I not had back surgery and the paralysis became permanent? I might have a chance at being numb, or at the very least an easier way to getting relief. Am out here trying to make spinal fusions illegal? No, am I advocating against spinal fusions, no. Also spinal fusions are far more risky than gender affirming surgeries of any sort. It was mandatory for me to recover in the ICU ffs.

[@StAmander]

@@lucacuneo7218 They say spinal fusions are 21% (but I don't know man, it doesn't seem like it's worth it anymore, I went back to my pre surgery pain levels, and just like pre surgery nothing for pain because I live in the US where the American Dream is the crusades and the bubonic plague, I wasted a year of my life trying to recover from it for it to be a total waste, had I just let the cauda equina syndrome run its course, I could have been numb or at least had an easier time getting some pain relief. I'm basically bed bound and unable to work. I just want to testify at these hearings pointing out the hypocrisy of them focusing on trans surgery when chronic pain patients are dying because we are the ones pressured in surgeries and other invasive procedures thanks to these moralistic simplistic hedonistic asshat clowns).

[@fart63]

@@lucacuneo7218back surgery has like a 30%+ regret rate

[@kated3165]

Conservatives: ''Look at these young adults who made life altering medical decisions, and now regret the permanent changes to their bodies! THE HORROR!!'' Also Conservatives: ''Look at this adorable 10 year old girl! She will make such a cute mother... 5 months from now! Time for your parents to sign you up for a good husband sweetheart!''

[@antifurryfoundation55]

Gotta love Texas.

[@yiev]

​@@antifurryfoundation55I'm surprised to see this pfp here, especially since anti-furries are all usually "edgy" 11 year olds who also regularly spread hate for the LGBTQ+ community.

[@CesRaisons]

Remember that a lot of conservatives wouldn’t bat an eye at giving their intersex infant bottom surgery to make them the binary, which leads to problems later in life

[@PuppetsByPalmieri]

I saw a PBS documentary when I was a kid about trans folks- might’ve been 9 or 10. It was just a neutral to positive representation of the story of 3 trans women. It didn’t make me trans but it painted a pretty compelling and complete picture of who trans people were and what being trans was- relative to a cis boy watching an early 2000s doc anyway. It’s completely fine to expose kids to trans people and trans stories- it won’t “turn” anyone trans who wasn’t. But it might make people a lot less likely to be bigoted towards trans folks when they meet them later in life.

[@Darca1n]

And that's exactly why these people so desperately want to eradicate any and all representation of trans people that isn't painting them as delusional lunatics or worse, because they know that otherwise, their bigotry will fail and the acceptance of trans people will accelerate because the bigots don't have the monopoly on representation of trans people anymore, or lack thereof.

[@andrewkoster6506]

It's that last part that conservatives are afraid of. There's a very strong correlation between "less likely to be bigoted" and "less likely to be conservative".

[@bastienfelix4605]

The wors part is: PragerU knows that. They're only manipulating ignorant(not a bad thing) people and fear-mongering in order to push their own hatred.

[@masterofwriters4176]

And that's what concervatives fear the most, because if your supportive and accepting, then you won't isten to their bull shit, and wont vote them into office or give them money.

[@dr_birb]

"It's bad that I could have just walked in and got the T, no questions asked!" "It's god's given right to be able to buy guns and 20 tons of ammo, no questions asked"

[@SomberSky]

"hey can i go on T?" "Sure first we'll put you on a waiting list to see a therapist who will do at least 3 sessions with months in-between to diagnose you with gender dysphoria then talk to you about what you want out of the transition and what effects you expect out of it." "GOD DAMNIT WHY IS IT SO EASY TO TRANSITION"

[@TihetrisWeathersby]

I almost never think of Trans people, It's amazing people dedicated their whole lives to targeting them

[@LaSerpentDEden]

​@@Shmeeby9411Graham lineham lost his wife in a divorce because he went off the rails with transphobia

[@FunAngelo2005]

That's what pure evil is my dear

[@shaunamichele]

The obsession is mind-blowing.

[@richie-3485]

speaking as a trans person, /i/ wouldn't think about being trans nearly as much if these people weren't obsessed with making our existence a federal fucking issue every day of their lives. it's almost like us trans people are barely relevant to mainstream culture and we just want the freedom to be ourselves in peace without a struggle. 🤷

[@jj947]

Conservatives haven’t gotten this mad at anything since desegregation

[@ShadowPa1adin]

No-one was ever threatened with Hellfire for not being trans, but people are threatened with hellfire for being trans. Seeing this is like seeing a battered-spouse with a black-eye saying "It's my fault. I didn't have dinner ready in time."

[@mogscugg2639]

Remember, Adam transitioned from clay to man, and Eve transitioned from rib to woman

[@glacierwolf2155]

@@mogscugg2639 Wasn't Eve made from half of Adam instead of just a rib?

[@mogscugg2639]

@@glacierwolf2155 yeah, the original Hebrew is tsela (half/side), not Ala (rib)

[@HotDogTimeMachine385]

I feel like christian conservatism and abuse are pretty much a flat circle at this point

[@theokooistra5856]

​@mogscugg2639 side note, as an 8-year old kid i literally wanted to learn Hebrew to read what was actually in the bible/torah. I had come across multiple versions of bible translations into dutch, all with small changes, so i thought: the best way to understand the holy text is to read it as it was intended. Point being that all translations make mistakes, and those mistakes *will* get taken for fact.

[@Indarow]

I am 100% a man, I was born a man, I have no question in my mind that I am a man, so transitioning is something I cannot even comprehend for myself. I personally know three people who transitioned, and I’ve known all three of them since well before they transitioned. One I saw coming from a mile away, one I didn’t expect, but thinking back it makes sense, and one came completely out of left field. All three of them are in the best place mentally that they have ever been in their lives now that they’ve transitioned, and that’s the *only* thing that matters.

[@denizentm2909]

Incredibly well put. These religious ideologues will construct a moralistic view of what's "natural" to justify depriving people of deep, true happiness, for the sake of order. They ask people to twist themselves into pretzels in order to fit into a rigid view of how we "should" live (heterosexual, monogamous, cisgender, married young with 2.5 kids and a dog, wife stays home while the husband has the job etc.) and when inevitably most people couldn't possibly live up to that standard, they demand you mold yourself to fit into that box, as much as it may hurt, as much of you as you may have to remove from yourself. Conservatives face the threat of new generations realizing the pain is unnecessary, and that their true nature is normal and harmless. If millions of people have to sacrifice their personal happiness for an ideology, then that ideology is too fragile for the people who can fit in to enforce on others.

[@June_The_Goon]

"AND FROM... WHERE??? THE LEFT FIELD??? WHERE ARE THEY COMING FROM??? AND THEY SCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE!!!! OUT OF THE BLUE, LIKE A GHOST THROUGH THE FIELD... *H R T!!!!!!!* "

[@ghost.6294]

no it isnt lol

[@roborat]

​@ghost.6294 how explain your points don't just say nuh uh

[@atxbee]

@@ghost.6294avg nge fan

[@cheetaking243]

My only trans friend who de-transitioned (I'm trans, so I know a LOT of trans people,) did so under HEAVY pressure/shaming from her religious mother, after being forced to move back home due to job discrimination. She eventually re-transitioned after 2-3 years of loudly leading a Christian de-transitioner "I was living in sin but now I'm saved" ministry. One of the frustrating issues is, when people de-transition under religious pressure, it takes a LOT of cope to keep it up. Which means constantly needing to loudly reaffirm their decision, which means plenty of people for right-wing media to exploit in the short-term without regard for whether it sticks in the long-term.

[@ArDeeMee]

And heavy PTSD for your friend. I‘m glad she’s still your friend, she needs all the support she can get…

[@malum9478]

bingo.

[@TherandomguyhiAlastar]

Unfortunately, Christianity nowadays is just using the name of Jesus to do terrible things. I wish that would change.

[@jaspermooren5883]

​@@TherandomguyhiAlastartbf to Christianity, it's only some cults, particularly in America. The vast majority of religious people I know are fairly left wing, and quite liberal on issues like these. But I live in the Netherlands, where most religious people don't even go to church, it's much more about the concept of god and love than all the little rules in a book that has been hopelessly outdated for 4000 years. I'm not religious myself, but all of Christianity isn't that bad, just a small, but very loud, section that is.

[@TherandomguyhiAlastar]

@@jaspermooren5883 I'm Christian myself, so I know some stuff about the topic. Most Christian schools are very anit-LGBTQ.

[@mylespando5192]

Imagine the person who unironically sits down watching the full documentary and thinks to themselves “this makes sense, this is the biggest issue in world.”

[@synchronium24]

"this is the biggest issue in world." Ironically, that is the duplicitous attitude of trans activists. Majority Report: "Why ban trans women from competing with cis women when there are only 4 of them in the state? Also, we need to make 5 videos about this because it's the most important issue in the world."

[@convenientEstelle]

@@synchronium24 Because it's part of a larger movement that aims to remove trans people from society?

[@thomascromwell6840]

​@@synchronium24The majority report is not a viewer but also, trans women are women. Sports are inherently biased even among cis women. The pool size of athletes matters. The athletes from a smaller pool are less likely to win against those of the larger pool. All sporting regulations dictate hrt and specify hormone levels. These regulations have often even removed cis women from competing. You have no arguments. Every single sentence here decimates every lie you spout.

[@TheTailow]

@@synchronium24 Thas not an irony, if u are trans activist of course its your number one issue. Just like climate activists number one issue is climate? My question is, why the f would republicans make it their number one issue?

[@PancakemonsterFO4]

J.K.Rowling moment

[@an0bserver2000]

the way ftm detransitions always focus on how taking t changed their voice will never not be infuriating to me. i *begged* doctors to let me take puberty blockers or hrt but i was still forced to go through all of male puberty. my voice was changed in a way i despise too, but conservatives are completely incapable of showing people like me the same empathy they show to ftm detransitioners. at least the detransitioner got a choice. i was forced to just sit there and watch.

[@kawifurry]

i feel that, i can only train my voice now which takes a lot of time

[@StarryxNight5]

Here I am, in a drought of good horror books when I could literally just talk to any trans person about puberty

[@an0bserver2000]

@@StarryxNight5 fr like no body horror story ive ever read has managed to feel as intense or visceral to me as going through puberty did lmao

[@normanicole4714]

The right does not care about the pain and life long changes a disphoric puberty causes. Its all about control. Well being is just a pretense. To these people wellness IS living the way they think is right.

[@ConfusedPlushiee]

same 😭😭

[@danikinzstar]

I am a detransitioner. I would have figured out I wasn't trans much sooner had I not faced oppression. The harder my church and family pushed to break me of being transgender, the harder I held to it and latched on, refusing to let go. If they had actually let me express myself, let me figure out myself naturally, I would have been happier. The more they forced that mold on me, the more I felt like I could never fit it. Being raised extremely southern baptist, long skirts, long hair, no makeup: to serve, to be silent, meek, and mild... it's no wonder why I denied my femininity, rejected it. I was hotly and "outspoken" and dominant, like a man, in their eyes. They created the dysphoria. I have since seen a psychiatrist, and gone to therapy. I have healed, with medication, and mental exercises to unlearn my negative coping mechanisms and shake free the guilt my religion placed on me. I have gained body confidence through accepting my disabilities, and have stopped trying to morph my afab body into the body society wants women to be. This has alleviated my dismorphia, and I am no longer bound by the social laws of gender. I did not transition, I transformed.

[@slyko738]

That’s what always anoys me. Transphobs always say that if they accept trans people than people will make mistakes but the Opposite is true. What do you know, giving people the space to figure themselves out results in people figuring themselves out. Sounds like your doing a lot better. I’ve found that after transitioning I’m noticeably more confident. Being able to live as yourself is one of the most important parts of life.

[@adrianghandtchi1562]

You found out who you truly were, without negating it from others. And I appreciate your honesty.

[@sari9645]

This reminds of when kids who grow up with strict parents rebel by partying and drinking. You were just rebelling in a different way against the gender role forced on you. I’m so glad you’re happy now that you’re free of society’s expectations of what being a women means/looks like

[@linadnigarb8989]

Oh God, I hate to be that person, but I hate your parents. They are like.. absolutely unempathetic, even cruel. That conservative environment is cruel itself. It's just awful. I feel so sorry for you.. Your past was full of struggles. I can't imagine how I would feel myself if I was on your place. It's really scary, to not having the ability to be yourself.. I hope that right now you are free, safe and happy

[@Vahlee-A]

You grew, finally, in your own way. You're amazing. 🤟🏽🤟🏽

[@Norrsky]

My grandpa got hip surgery and the prosthetic became infected and almost killed him. We need to end the unethical practice of hip surgeries now!

[@jasonfenton8250]

It sure is a weird coincidence that hip surgeries make a lot of money for the hip surgeons. Clearly hip surgeries are a scam and the idea of "hip injuries" is a social contagion.

[@BlackHat-v4j]

Okay and that’s very different from a gender affirming surgery though like multiple differences from both sides on both left and right and everything else

[@Norrsky]

@@BlackHat-v4j true good thing random anecdotes aren't arguments. The argument would be that gender affirming care has the lowest regret rate of any major medical procedure. With about 2% detransitioning, and about 70% of that 2% doing it due to a lack of funding or social support. I don't genuinely think hip surgeries are unethical

[@BlackHat-v4j]

@@Norrsky one I am pretty sure that there are multiple studies on detransition and regret and I don’t trust any of them because they don’t give the same results I am like which is right Secondly that’s like comparing plastic surgery to cancer removal surgery There are differences in surgery is my point and you can’t be comparing surgery types that are widely differently it’s not a anecdote it’s logic

[@Norrsky]

@@BlackHat-v4j no one mentioned cancer. Also studies done about detransitioning and regret all come within a 1% to 8% regret rate (most are closer to 1%) even if we went with the 8% regret rate it would have a lower rate than almost any other medical procedure. Regular plastic surgery has a regret rate closer to 70%, even something like knee surgery has a regret rate of 30%

[@SkyenNovaA]

I was pyschologically manipulated to reject my true identity too. Until I transitioned again because I realised I wasnt happy

[@CrabRangoonSortaGuy]

Lesssgoo

[@outercat]

sending you good vibes friend. happy for you ❤

[@zacheryeckard3051]

Gotta always seek what makes you happy, right?

[@justalostlocal]

Congrats! We only have this life. So stay true to yourself is worth it 🗣

[@ivygreenleaf2722]

Reject being miserable, become happy

[@m.g.4446]

The descriptions of these people's medical transitions are completely opposite from the experiences of ALL of my trans friends (in the US). Everyone I know practically had to beg on their knees to get their surgeries and pester their doctors for years to actually get the letters and documents straightened out and then finally get the surgery dates and funding they needed.

[@gaylorvader]

As a trans person yeah. You have to jump through so many hoops. Basically have to complete all Heracles labors to transition.(it's so worth it through I'm so much happier and more confident)

[@Aeivious]

They like to act like its easy to transition as it is to get married in vegas.

[@GenreBGoode]

And yet if a cis male wants to be free of testicular pain, they will perform an orchidectomy at the drop of a hat.

[@angelainamarie9656]

I mean you know we've known for a long time that the Christian right can't have a conversation about anything without pathologically lying so what is new here

[@FelisImpurrator]

Also, keep in mind that conservatives DO want all healthcare to work like this. "You're not depressed. You just need to pray more and focus on cultivating proper values and work ethic. A sprain? Just take this ice pack and some advil and toughen up, bucko." They're truly deranged.

[@gamgam7979]

crazy how even with the edited, premade format, the only pictures they could find still supported the narrative that both of these people were the happiest they ever were while they were trans

[@angelainamarie9656]

It's almost like there's an internal Force driving this that is completely beyond the control of shit mouth preachers and Hate mongers

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

We can't be and ate not the only ones noticing that 😂

[@andrewkoster6506]

They're like completely different people. It's almost like they were really happy when they were able to be themselves, and now they're really sad because they're putting on some fake character and some bullshit costume every day of their life just to reduce (but not eliminate) abuse from family members.

[@masync183]

@@charisma-hornum-fries haha yeah, if conservatives and the people who follow them had real principles, this video might have caused quite a stir. unfortunately, 90% of them will just see "transitioning makes people sad and this video proves it" and the other 10% will see "transitioning makes people sad and this video doesnt prove it but that doesnt matter because trans people evil".

[@Dmchadra]

I was quite miserable when I was trans actually

[@Justin_42]

I hate the argument; 'they approved gender affirming care in only two hours hur du dur de durr' It took less than 20 minutes to diagnose me with depression and one visit with a doctor to get antidepressants. it's almost like doctors have a lot of experience identifying these or have systems built on a lot of experience to identify this shit. if it took a doctor a month to figure out what was wrong with me, I would be pissed. it's great that doctors are quick about getting people the help they need.

[@apollofell3925]

Even then, most doctors don't just approve trans patients for surgery right out the gate. You have to actually ask the doctor to refer you to a specialist for surgery. The notion this guy was approved for bottom surgery without his consent is an outright lie.

[@FarremShamist]

@@apollofell3925 I don't think you can be approved for any form of surgery without your consent which is the crazy part.

[@umtic]

also to the fact that gender affirming care is the most gatekept care. you need to see tons of psychiatrists and endocrinologists, and even therapy for years in some places, to get access to HRT in the first place

[@Qq-xs1fz]

You really think it is possible to diagnose a teenager with a number of mental problems in 20 minutes? Usually all the "pro-trans" crowd screams how "no, you go through months, even years therapy before they give you anything!" but now suddenly 20 minutes is enough...

[@thunderspark1536]

​@@FarremShamistImagine that, people gotta CONSENT to medical treatments?! Who would have thought.

[@tommybruneel9573]

I want to be a guy that builds muscle and wears makeup. Conservatives be damned

[@MiotaLee]

fuck yeah!!

[@andrewkoster6506]

That's the funny thing about this social contagion narrative, I wish it WAS true so that I could casually "choose" to be gay and trans on a whim just to piss them off.

[@15zmrd15]

FUck yea go off king/queen

[@michaeladams5318]

What's your Stand gonna be?

[@thatdumbass9856]

​@@andrewkoster6506I'd be bi to double my dating pools

[@mykie1515]

Can we make a pro trans video that's just a bunch of us being happy? Like if that's whats affective maybe we should make a very well edited video and blast it everywhere we can.

[@jimbob498]

The point is the trans cult can only provide false hope

[@sandersGG]

​​@@jimbob498you asserting a point doesn't make it true the conservatives aren't sending their best with you go back to your echo chamber 💀

[@jimbob498]

@@sandersGGwhat a lazy comment

[@lancenwokeji6349]

Hell yeah. Some people gotta do it

[@sophiepooks2174]

It's obvious why that can't happen, would be called promoting transness/grooming, many do not want anyone to be happy especially those they have been made to believe are degenerates, life is supposed to be hardship, pain and misery if you are not able to become insanely wealthy, or born that way.

[@snowyetie8799]

Legit am NB and my doctor asked “Do you want to medically transition?” I said no and it ended there. No grooming whatsoever

[@JMWeaver]

I don't think I've ever seen a detransitioner that looks like they're doing remotely OK. If detransitioning was so necessary for them, you'd think they'd be as euphoric as most trans people in healthy situations, seeing transitioning as a stepping stone toward true self discovery, etc. But it's never the case. They all look bleak.

[@andrewkoster6506]

I've seen exactly one detransitioner who seems like she's doing fine. Crucially, she wasn't forced to detransition by an abusive family and she doesn't participate in anti-trans propaganda and she doesn't frame her detransition using the crazy f*scist narratives of this movie. She frames it as a simple personal choice that she made both times.

[@Rexidiotarum]

When I was struggling with gender issues I prayed to God. But I didn't get a reply. Instead, a therapist arrived at my door and offered referral letters. I refused, "God will help me with my gender issues." So I returned to praying. Instead of an answer an Endocrinologist showed up at my door and offered me HRT. I refused, "God will help me with my gender issues." So I returned to praying. Still I got no answer from God. Instead, the next day a surgeon showed up at my door and offered me a sex change. I refused. My prayers remained unanswered for years, soon I became spiteful at God and myself and drank myself to death. Standing in front of God, I asked him why he didn't answer my prayers. He said "I did answer your prayers. I sent the therapist, endocrinologist and surgeon to you."

[@hp51877]

They spend all day tweeting about how angry they are.

[@Gunkle_Jeb]

Well, I’d say they’re having some kind of social dysphoria and living with any type of dysphoria is hell so I’m not surprised.

[@soupsoup8006]

Ive seen like one but they WERENT transphobic .

[@autumnjacaranda106]

“I would do anything to have that voice again” you and every trans woman denied puberty blockers

[@rhymerlegend2717]

Puberty blockers are bad

[@rhymerlegend2717]

No compassion for those whose lives have been ruined by the trans medical agenda

[@mikey4617]

@@rhymerlegend2717ur mom’s bad

[@SpeedyShimeji]

​@@rhymerlegend2717do you also say this shit to kids with cancer?

[@sacrilegioussasquatch]

@@rhymerlegend2717 lmaooo so you want 7 year olds to go through puberty?? Sounds kinda sus bro

[@butHomeisNowhere___]

Conservatives talk about trans people more than trans people talk about trans people 😐

[@sophiepooks2174]

True most of us are too busy living our daily lives, and engaged in our hobbies etc..

[@HotDogTimeMachine385]

So true!

[@butHomeisNowhere___]

@@HotDogTimeMachine385 mmm hotdogs

[@darrelgreene7094]

This 100%!

[@cutesound9563]

That’s actually hilarious. You guys will do nothing else but talk about yourselves.

[@yeah5895]

The Christian probably-trans-guy is literally a Contrapoints character, it's surreal.

[@somewhat-blue]

I literally thought they were an old video of Natalie for a second when I saw them playing piano from the side.

[@thesilentcomposer1278]

The (probably) male Tiffany Tumbles… Timothy Tumbles?

[@NeonJ1]

I thought we canceled Contrapoints for being a bad one also.

[@NoReal420]

Nah, Contra still makes good content and is a good, smart person. Vaush is just a masculine asshole (also a good, smart person just with his foot in his mouth often) and they aren’t buddy palls anymore.

[@doublinx2]

​@@NeonJ1more so being petty and catty, and friends with some shitty people. Other than that she's fine, I think

[@CharlieApples]

My paternal grandfather _literally_ regretted getting heart surgery. The doctors insisted he needed it, so he agreed, but it went wrong and he died a couple weeks after I was born. I never got to meet him. His last words were cursing the doctors who pressured him into it. Unlike trans people, who get surgery _because they actually want to,_ NOT because some doctors want to try an experimental new surgery technique.

[@cardboard2night]

How old was your grandfather?

[@CharlieApples]

@@cardboard2night Late fifties. My maternal grandpa also died when my brother and I were little, so neither of us ever got the grandpa experience. I have to wonder if they’d have still loved me after finding out I was queer.

[@goodluckgorsky3413]

I feel like half of the complaints here could be addressed by “we live in America, stupid” “They gave me approval for bottom surgery without me asking” - “it’s a free country, you can say no” “Anyone can just go into a hospital and get medical treatment” - “it’s a free country, THATS HOW ITS SUPPOSED TO WORK”

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

The west. Not only the US. No one is forced to go through surgery if they don't want to. In all western countries we are allowed to get second opinions.

[@canalalex0119]

FREEDOM 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅

[@fromeveryting29]

True. And medical transition relies, like TONS of other stuff, on patient self-report. So many destrans stories I’ve seen have been like «and then I lied and managed to convince my doctor I was trans, and then I got a treatment I didn’t really need!» Yes, sunshine, much of medical treatment has to rely on your ability to be honest about your feelings and motives and be introspective. Depression, cosmetic surgery, even migraines. It HAS to be that way.

[@katamas832]

The first one is really funny. You can get an appointment for a life saving surgery and not show up. And noone's gonna call a swat team and drag you into the operating room against your will. Like once either them or AIG used a story where a doctor made an appointment for abortion without the woman's consent. Only case recorded btw. But like... and? You can cancel or just not go altogether. Noone's gonna drag you in there and take your baby out while you are strapped into a chair. It's so stupid lol.

[@canalalex0119]

@@katamas832 You know what you are gonna be forced to do against your will, and leave permanent scars? Conversion therapy :) They literally send people to grab you from your own bed, and fly you out of state, without your consent.

[@theevilmoppet]

I just have to say, as a trans person and a jew, and one who often feels spoken over and unrepresented in how my identities and my struggles are talked about, seriously thank you. Like, so much. It's a really big emotional help on these topics to have this youtube channel where a man who doesn't even have direct experience being either of these things just understands all the context of my experiences and expresses them so well. So uh yeah... thanks.

[@apollofell3925]

No shit, the reason I subbed to Vaush was looking through the comments section of a previous video concerning trans folk and seeing nothing but support in the comments. That was the first time I'd ever seen anything mention trans people and not be flooded with hate comments.

[@mogscugg2639]

G-d literally made trans people, what do gentiles think Eve was?

[@firudu]

@@apollofell3925 this is what you can accomplish if you´re allowed to call transphobes the R slur!

[@salemcorriea5157]

​@@firuduUnironically enough, yeah. The less you're allowed to be openly combative towards transphobes the more likely your comments are to be full of hate, lol.

[@zen_tewmbs]

@@firuduas a trans person, I can be pretty r-slur’d.

[@birdy-black]

I just wanna say - im medically transitioning and i fucking love it. My life has gotten way better- consistently

[@AwkwardPain]

congratulations!

[@birdy-black]

@@AwkwardPain arigato

[@sluttyMapleSyrup]

Same, fam

[@birdy-black]

@@sluttyMapleSyrup 👄😊🤙

[@ConsciusVeritasVids]

@@birdy-black Grats on taking the journey to becoming your true self! ❣

[@STARM-t9b]

I’m am so heartbroken that this hateful garbage gets all the funding and social media push while i and other trans people are constantly pushed aside while getting so much harassment for just being trans. We don’t even have to acknowledge it 😞

[@ConsciusVeritasVids]

This is what the rich spend their money on instead of taxes

[@neil2444]

@@ConsciusVeritasVids It would seem the rich don't know what to do with all that money. Fortunately for them, I have a few ideas in mind. Tax the rich! Put that money to good use!

[@andrewkoster6506]

@@ConsciusVeritasVids the rich are good eatin' (in minecraft)

[@lishlash3749]

For Evangelicals, it's all about demonizing their favorite scapegoats.

[@te7365]

Also. As a woman with PCOS I hate how they say "your body will be messed up beyond repair" because they like to say that women have to be in a little box while I have body hair and I might not look "feminine". Guess what? I'm cis.

[@RaidenKunii]

ikr i see so many transphobes attack cis women just because they tend to be more "masculine" than a stereotypical big boobed skinny waist pornstar brainrot type of women that men think is what a "real woman" looks like

[@ijm1261]

As someone who was nonbinary for a solid decade before realizing I was a cis male with a LOT of gender baggage and a bit of a streak in sexuality/gender fluidity, I can literally look back on my social transition and my nonbinary years fondly, speak on having been trans with authority, recall many happy and euphoric times before and after detransitioning, and advocate for trans people today. I hate that Daisy has religious trauma but I wish there weren't conservative aparatuses in place to monetize and propagate these horrific detransitioner stories. That said, this is very black and white in terms of showing happiness indecies...if anything it's just very ineffective propaganda.

[@zuresei]

Also cis male bisexual-- I'm mad as hell that I lived without the confidence or fashion I needed to be gnc like I wanted to be in high school.

[@ijm1261]

@zuresei I'm sorry friend. 😞

[@ijm1261]

@zuresei I said this in another comment: The Left needs to make a documentary of people who have been trans and detransitioned not out of trauma but from realizing they were cis after a lot of soul searching and going through different stages of life. There are MANY former trans people like myself who do NOT have this mythical narrative about detransitioning because they found God and he told them LGBTQ+ was a lie. There are a LOT more people like me than people willing to accept money from PragerU, we have good things to say about what it was like being trans and trans people's validity, and we can speak to much more genuine and healthy reasons people detransition, such as anything besides Christian suppression and the smell of Dennis Prager's wallet.

[@hp51877]

What do you mean by gender baggage? Just curious

[@ijm1261]

@hp51877 being born male and having every older male voice along with society influence my impression on the benchmarks for manhood, failing to meet expectations and having a catestrophic existential outlook as a result. The usual!

[@daraghokane4236]

1 million dollars well wasted. Do you think a single person was pro trans till this movie changed there mind?

[@Snoogen11]

Probably not. This is just a fluff piece to help bigoted people, (badly) justify their bigotry.

[@wikipiiimp9420]

it's not to convince people that are pro trans it's to convince people that are either ignorant/don't care or people that are already conservative on most issues. they want to reinforce their base, not to convince people from the other side.

[@tzizimime]

You do know that when white western people disappear, everyone else on earth will simply go back to normal? This means they'll forget trans and gays exist.

[@CrabRangoonSortaGuy]

It's not for pro trans people it's for anti trans people to memorize and parrot back on the internet. With the gas industry funding that Prager U gets a millie is nothing. This was probably worth it to them.

[@PancakemonsterFO4]

Its more of a PragerU promo to already bigoted people, not something to change transpeoples minds

[@nauticoom]

I see ads for their garbage when I’m just watching a trans person’s videos (Juno Birch for example). It’s honestly disgusting and distasteful that KZbin allows for that.

[@wikipiiimp9420]

youtube ads are very bad and often promote absolute garbage (far right political propaganda, fundamentalist religious orgs, scams (crypto, fake courses, investing, etc) and also some pr0n stuff, even at stuff watched by childs/teens (like for example a minecraft build video, and you get ads for some p0rn game) adblocks is not just convenient, it's 100% justified and moral. you can and should install some adblocker on your browser (for example ublock origin)

[@AwkwardPain]

Just be glad that the ad was wasted on you. That is the best we have right now...

[@gravelmonarch]

They are pushing extremely hard with the anti trans KZbin ads recently. Seems like their targeting any words related to LGBT people

[@skytiger215]

That was one of the worst things about them trying to get rid of ad block. It meant more right-wing propaganda.

[@traister101]

You see ads?🤨 In 2023?

[@LaigledeMeaux]

While I am not trans, I feel like I have some familiarity with "self diagnosis" in the form of Major Depressive Disorder. I've struggled with depression a significant amount of my life. I remember when I finally decided to see a doctor about it. I went to a family general doctor and said, "I think I have depression." His response? "Ok, why do you think that?" After answering he said, "ok," again and left the room for a moment, he came back with a sheet of paper. It was a checklist of questions. He went down each item. "How often do you feel sad? How often do you feel happy? When was the last time you were sad? For how long? Do you have moments of mania where you feel like you can do anything followed by moments of crashing and feeling like you can't get out of bed? Do you have thoughts of suicide?" etc. After answering all the questions he said, "Yeah, there's a pretty good chance you have Major Depressive Disorder." He started me on some Lexapro to see how it affected me and we adjusted the dosage over months and years to better suit me. The thing with all of this? And why I bring it up with this video? I went in thinking I had depression, the doctor didn't have a way of testing me to see if I have depression other than asking a checklist of questions. It's mental based, there isn't some insturement he could measure my head with and go, "Yep, you sure do have depression." This wasn't something like I walk into the clinic with a broken arm and he just has to look at it to know it's broken. The ONLY thing he can actually do is ask questions, and the way I answer him gives him his diagnosis. The point is, it's the same with trans people. "Oh, I just went into a clinic thinking I was trans and the doctor just immediately agreed with me! He shouldn't have done that!" Like, what are they supposed to do? Not believe you? You know your body and mind more than they do and if you have a mental issue then the only things you can do are ask questions and observe the answers. Even then, they do have a more involved process involving extended therapy (which I have also gone through for depression).

[@puffinatheart5565]

I've had this idea in my head for a while but didn't know how to express it. You put it beautifully. The job of a doctor is to believe patients. If they don't believe them, the patients cannot be treated properly. Do anti trans folks not think that doctors should listen? Do they want doctors to go "you don't have a broken arm so your arm can't hurt"?? Like what's the end goal here??

[@cactus2260]

Asking for external proof of a persons gender identity is like making a person prove they are gay before allowing them to come out. They are gay because they feel they are gay, them coming out is proof that they are, same with transness

[@MidnightEkaki]

you're totally right. this happened with me being diagnosed with anxiety by my GP. as a trans person i talked to my therapist about it and they wrote to my GP but I was the one who had to ask my GP for the next steps and i also have to do my own research on providers for trans care because most doctors dont know that much about it since its quite a niche area. its a very personal journey and all doctors need to do is clear you for other mental issues, and in some places you need to get a gender dysphoria diagnosis. i said i wasnt ready (for personal reasons) so i havent been able to move onto getting HRT yet but thats my experience so far.

[@keekenox3993]

Thing is, these conservatives are also against this sort of psychological therapy as well, there's tons and tons of right wing content focused on "medication is bad, feel depressed? Don't go to therapy, just be stronger." It's genuinely awful.

[@Qq-xs1fz]

These are different things. First - your doctor actually diagnosed you, did not "affirm" you right away. Second - depression is a much more common and much better known and studied condition. Third - antidepressants effects are also much better know than HRT and are not that risky. Btw - where I live a family doctor will not prescribe any psychotropic medication, it can only be done by a licensed psychiatrist.

[@FoxrosePettipaw]

So I walked into a gastro doctor's office and I told them I think I have ibs. They did testing and gave me a diagnosis of crohns. Suddenly, it happened so fast, they started giving me options of what medicines I could take to alleviate the symptoms. We decided on a treatment and I walked to the pharmacy with the script and WITHOUT ASKING they just gave me MEDICINE. It was just crazy to me now how I went from being diagnosed to getting MEDICAL TREATMENT. Now I realize I should have had way more appointments to tell me about all the benefits my treatment will have. Well turns out I started feeling better. Crazy. But after 6 months I realized, had I been groomed by the medical industry? I was given this medicine that helped me so quickly after being diagnosed. I took my life back and studied the Bible for what to do. I realized God wanted me to suffer and die young so I quit the poison I was prescribed. Now I'm unhappy, miserable in pain every day and will probably need to have surgery after surgery. But at least God is happy 😊 (If you couldn't tell this is sarcasm. It's just crazy how these people in this documentary were describing what it's like to get diagnosed and then treated. The whole time I was thinking to my own medical journey with crohns going, I wonder if someday the conservative right are going to say I was groomed too XD )

[@madnessoverload7824]

The fact that they could only find 2 people to put in this documentary says a lot about how serious this "problem" is.

[@etasjo]

i think its just that most happy detransitioners dont actually despise trans people and stuff

[@Nuvizzle]

"I was miserable, then I transitioned, and for a while I was happy, but then for some mysterious reason that we're not going to get into I was miserable again and convinced that transitioning is what made me miserable, so then I detransitioned and I'm still just as miserable but at least Prager U is paying me a bunch of money to say trans bad" What a journey. I don't know what any of this was supposed to prove but it sure was a lot of stuff.

[@zen_tewmbs]

Serious question, do these “detransitioners” not realize voice training exists? Like, what?

[@alix6553]

exactly, like if you’re upset your voice is not feminine you can go and train them, just like trans femme people do when they..get dysphoria on their voice. and there can be really good results. also cis women that’s never been on t can sounds androgynous and even like a man sometimes and it’s our society that chastises it. so it society was open to more variantion in gender expression the amount of surgery would literally go down.

[@kattkatt744]

My suspicion is that Oliver is keeping the voice exctly because he is really Oliver. It is the one thing he gets to keep and the conservative narrative lets him tell a lie about why he is keeping it to please the people who terrorised him into detransitioning.

[@rhymerlegend2717]

@@alix6553you have no compassion. They don’t want their voice to be changed like that when they regret it.

[@user-th1pv6ks5o]

​@rhymerlegend2717 And trans Women don't want their voice to be like that when they go through puberty.

[@rhymerlegend2717]

@@user-th1pv6ks5o puberty is a natural bodily process. Blocking it is a horrible idea

[@Zomonitan]

If knowing that trans people exist "makes" you trans, you were always trans, you just didn't know it was a legitimate thing before. Source: my personal experience

[@Jordan-kq3qw]

Second guy genuinely said, "I can't believe the insurance company approved me for the surgery i asked for after meeting with multiple medical professionals and therapists"

[@redfin382]

You can find people who regret literally everything on the earth. Got a tattoo? There are people who regret them. Boob job? People who regret it. Piercing? Regret it. It's so dumb to act like getting gender affirming care is the only decision that people can regret. *Edited I misspoke and said trans was a decision but I meant getting gender affirming care is a decision.

[@jimbob498]

So you admit it’s a decision and not needed

[@redfin382]

@@jimbob498 no, it is needed. Those were just examples of things people do that can be regretted. Trans people exist and matter and should be allowed to just be themselves. Getting gender affirming care is a decision....do you think it isn't? Being trans isn't a decision but seeing a Dr and getting care is a decision. I have an issue with my stomach that makes me nauseous very often. I haven't went to the Dr for it. Did I choose to get nauseous often? No.

[@jimbob498]

@@redfin382no…. It’s not needed… you admited It was a decision

[@Aadrian7]

​@@jimbob498Decision and need are not mutually exclusive. You can decide to go to the gym, doesn't make the act of going to the gym not healthy. Regret can happen with anything, including things that are seemingly necessary for your own physical and mental health. You're presupposing that humans are fully rational, and that other factors (in the case of detransitioning) like hospital debt and social stigma don't exist.

[@jimbob498]

@@Aadrian7yes they are exclusive.. it wouldn’t be a decision if it’s needed…. 🤦‍♂️

[@HezrouDhiaga]

As a trans man it's always fun watching bigots become accidental allies 😂😂😂 But on a real note now that I could sit and watch this; as a trans man, I was borderline suicidal with how dysphoric and depressed I was. I was 31 when I finally hit the wall and could not hide it anymore. I literally could not keep up the fake game anymore and when I came out to all my friends, all of them knew before I admitted. The only people who were clueless was my recent EX (who ironically was trans and decided to detransition and accused me of "Transitioning out of spite") and my mother who TO THIS DAY 2 years later doesn't believe me and thinks i'm being groomed by the internet. Nothing I show or tell her will reach her. I was never "Indoctrinated" to transition. I knew from 7 and when I kept asking about it, I was told it's a phase and i'll get over it when I play with dolls. Nah. That never happened. In video games I was able to mask my dysphoria for a time by playing male characters and not correcting players who used he/him pronouns ingame by default. I pity the detransitioners who are brainwashed into thinking they're mentally ill. They will never be "normal" like they hope they will following the path these bigots put them on. As soon as they transition fully, and find people who support them like my friends do, they will be infinitely happier. Since socially transitioning and being on T for 2 years (I'm still saving up for top surgery :( it's so damn expensive and inaccessable in Texas) my suicidal tendancies have literally disappeared. My depression and self loathing are gone now that the dysphoria is gone. edit/addon: Also, I hate that these detransitioners are crying about accessibility of surgery. I literally am STRUGGLING to find accessibility BECAUSE of people like this ruining it for those of us who literally are desperate for this. It pisses me off :< Thanks conservatives. You guys literally are braindead and unaware of mental health.

[@JohnnyDelco]

You want everyone to affirm your mental illness. Let’s be honest

[@malum9478]

nah they know what they're doing and that's the point. it doesn't matter what science says because their beliefs aren't scientific

[@JosilyneTwigg]

​@@JohnnyDelco Its not 2016 anymore, being trans isn't a mental illness Gender dysphoria is, and the best way to alleviate it is transitioning

[@andrewkoster6506]

Conservatives ARE braindead, true, but they are aware of mental health. They simply don't agree that mental health is a good thing. They are demons sent from hell to cause the maximum amount of suffering, and so they oppose mental health as part of their overall mission to make the world a worse place.

[@Qq-xs1fz]

You were 31 when you started your transition, most detransitioners started it much, much younger. When you were 7 that was still the XX century and the social media were a decade away, there was no "indoctrination", there was barely any knowledge about it. The world has changed significantly since then.

[@Freffs]

Who could come away from this thinking these people are better off now. Like how. Their transitioned selves are radiant and then they're reduced to human husks with no light in their eyes. This is clearly a tragedy.

[@jimbob498]

What the piss are you babbling about?

[@CampingforCool41]

@@jimbob498do you know how to read?

[@jimbob498]

@@CampingforCool41Doesn’t mean it’s coherent

[@nondescriptcat5620]

conservatives can only get off on human suffering.

[@jimbob498]

@@nondescriptcat5620what a rtarded and lazy comment

[@katieorsomething115]

we should have a documentary about how divorced people exist, and can be sad about that, so then no one will marry ever again

[@rhymerlegend2717]

Divorced people didn’t botch up their body chasing a delusion

[@katieorsomething115]

they sure as hell are more common than detransitioners, assuming you were right (which you aren't) what's worse, one amputee, or millions of normally injured@@rhymerlegend2717

[@katieorsomething115]

i'm not saying divorced people are bad obviously, just over exaggerating to prove my point

[@Chaos-._]

@@rhymerlegend2717 I am once again imploring you to seek a medical professional to help with your unhealthy obsession with trans people.

[@galaxyocicat5660]

@@rhymerlegend2717 Please don't get an appendectomy when they tell you you need one, that's a form of mutilation and you're chopping your body part off.

[@celestialangel666]

I think I can tell the reason for why they added in the dad and his...actions...against his son. His "traditional *HISPANIC* dad". I wonder WHY they left that in. This feels like the worst bingo of a bingo card for "documentaries" like this.

[@dinosaysrawr]

Yep, that did not escape my notice! I'd wager they would not have included that kind of detail if the guy had hailed from a proper WASP family.

[@megamillion5852]

Glad someone else noticed that, too. The mentions of "culture" seemed oddly pointed, considering the dad's reaction was pretty in-line with the general conservative father's idea of masculinizing tough love. PragerU wants to brand a course of action they likely agree with as something steeped in the perverse culture of certain, dangerous groups.

[@celestialangel666]

@@megamillion5852 That's very true. But added was the story itself and how they framed that particular detransitioner - the event took place in Mexico just across the border, the light illuminating them and stained glass at one point surrounding them. Obviously yes they have found out The Truth but it's all framed in Catholic imagery with "hardworking non-white immigrant" all over it.

[@celestialangel666]

@@dinosaysrawr the moment they said it was "across the border" to get the prostitute, I was like "Ah, of course, that's why". I do agree with Vaush that part of it was "corrective" but that was something added in *specifically* because of ethnicity and "culture".

[@Nemo12417]

It's commonly believed among conservatives that sexual trauma turns you gay or trans, and if they can't find a real example, they'll twist one into being. Chaya Raichak once reposted a single tweet from a long thread about how queer people are often the victims of sexual violence because they are queer. Chaya made it sound like the journalist was admitting that being raped turns you gay. Prager U was probably trying to invoke that trope.

[@samiamrg7]

“The closest thing to killing myself without killing myself” You mean ego death? You want to, like, have a death match between your trans and cis personas and become whichever one comes out on top? (spoiler alert, the trans one won a long time ago, lol)

[@tilleul6917]

I think it's about dying in the eyes of your conservative family and community. Being trans is being worse than dead for those bigots. You will most likely be banned and erased from history. Or worse...

[@Terranallias18]

Funnily enough that's what I thought was going to happen when I found out a few years ago

[@kirbirbstomp]

this is such a badass way to describe transitioning

[@telefonjoker23]

Man, I feel really bad for them. Both said that they detransitioned because they thought they could never be fully cis and there would always be something outing them as their agab. A narrative that was likely pushed by their conservative family. Daisy even said so on twt, their parents and brother didn't accept them and that made them scared to ruin more relationships in their life with their transition. I can relate honestly because I also have to hear from my family that no matter what medical interventions I take I will never be a man, I will never pass (I do) and they will never see me as a son. I can understand how constantly hearing that will make you want to revert to your agab because it all seems pointless anyway. Hopefully the two will somehow manage to break out of that toxic environment and become happy.

[@CorwinFound]

Quite a while ago I watched a couple of Daisy's de-trans videos. And back then one of her major reasons was that she wasn't passing and didn't feel she ever would. The reality is that not all trans people who want to pass can. And it can be a heavy burden practically and emotionally. I'm a mostly not passing trans guy and there is some ambivalence with that issue, or there used to be. Some people will _never_ see me as a guy. I regularly have to correct how people gender me. I've experienced hate and discrimination. At the same time, 3+ years since starting my transition I'm at a place where if I could wave a magic wand and pass 100% as a cis guy I wouldn't. I'm truly happy with how I look and present and feel proud of the fact that daily I'm an ambassador of transness. But not everyone can or wants to do that. That situation sucks and I really do sympathize with people who consider or act on detranstioning due to this issue. Daisy's current stance feels like extreme and destructive cope over the reality that she wasn't ever going to be cis passing as a man. (NB: I've used she/her because that's what she currently uses.)

[@Soon2BGhost]

This documentary did the opposite of their intentions. Hearing how quickly their voice changed on T filled me with hope because their pre-trans voice sounds VERY similar to mine

[@eldritchtourist]

Oh, it's a lot of fun. My voice was the same way, and is now a bit deeper than theirs is. It's fairly genetic, I sound a lot like my dad/other male relatives.

[@Soon2BGhost]

@@eldritchtourist oh ew i don’t wanna sound like my male relatives But i’ll take anything over my voice now lol I can’t even try to deepen it with the octave I have. Voice exercises don’t do much i just sound like I’m trying too hard 😫

[@tylerthompson7461]

@@eldritchtouristyea, my cousin thought I was my Dad when I answered the door once 😂

[@TheybyBaby]

That first trans man tweeted something to the effect of "i dont believe anyone, 8 or 80, should be allowed to transition. I also believe everyone should convert to Catholicism." Definitely soneone whose ideals are super sane and who should be held up as an example of how to live.

[@RaidenKunii]

i find it funny that those who say trans/gay people shove it down our throats then try to shove their religion down our throats and try to convert us

[@gothboschincarnate3931]

When i were young....i mentioned autistic traits...and people were like "no you dont". no wonder I had a nervous breakdown....

[@neoordwell]

I mentioned I was autistic at work and a lady gasped like I just told her I had a terminal disease and insisted if I have it it "MUST" be very mild...

[@gothboschincarnate3931]

I used to know a young girl who way nice and lived just a few blocks away....and we exchanged greetings and she said something about a date...and i asked "does he perhaps have a measure of autism" and a look crossed over her face....as if he had a cancer or social disease. its very dis-heartening. @@neoordwell

[@varun009]

Ngl, that's pretty weak but nevertheless unfortunate.

[@salamantics]

@@varun009ngl no one cares about you

[@DB-sy6xc]

@@neoordwellshe’s complimenting you or trying to comfort you because having a disability is supposed to be a bad thing.

[@Leaga]

Nothing encapsulates America's problem with mental health better than that clip of the 2nd detransitioner using the phrase "hurt myself" as a stand-in for "seek help" and then that segment ending with the horror of being given options.

[@jimbob498]

What a vague statement

[@4lw921]

@@jimbob498 what a vague statement using specific quotes

[@limaxim]

I used to watch ollie/daisy. They were a huge Jordan Peterson stan and made multiple videos defending him even when they were still transitioned. I was wondering when the pipeline would get them. edit: it was said in the video later but point still stands. I remember when they made their detrans video and the comments were all lovebombing from conservatives that ollie/daisy was liking

[@limaxim]

Also i’m getting top surgery next month so the ppl who made this doc can suck it

[@OMGKawaiiPsycho]

​@@limaximI hope it goes well!

[@limaxim]

@@OMGKawaiiPsycho Thanks!!!

[@mkuhnactual]

39:13 She's either straight up lying or being deliberately dishonest here. She makes it sound like after one short appointment she was approved for hrt, then after another short appointment approved for top surgery when that's not what the lawsuit lays out for a timeline. She identified and socially transitioned at 11, began blockers and hrt at 12, and top surgery at 13. She then de-transitioned at 17. That doesn't really fit the "was immediately transitioned without evaluation" narrative they're spinning.

[@tylerthompson7461]

I literally had to be on hrt for 2 years and had to wait a year for top surgery after expressing I wanted it, they are LYING

[@RaidenKunii]

you quite literally cannot have top surgery under 18 either way idk wtf she was smoking...

[@awkwardukulele6077]

@@RaidenKuniithere are some places that do it at 16 in more well-documented cases, ie the trans kid had been going to therapy since before kindergarten and it was well established that transition was the goal for them. Just, the idea of anyone getting surgery like that at 13…that’s a terrible idea, even from a pro-trans standpoint. That’s not young enough to reasonably think breast development wouldn’t keep happening after surgery, which means complications would’ve been basically _guaranteed._ This is why binders are recommended for kids who are considering transition, it gives the same effect as surgery (or close to it) and it’s reversible by just taking the binder off like any other garment. The detransitioners in the doc seem to have no common sense in their timeline, which is a suspicious pattern. If that’s really what happened (which I doubt) that’s just a medical malpractice lawsuit, not a trans-panic. Anyone who knows about trans people would be able to sniff out this bullshit like a bloodhound, but PragerU doesn’t seem to care about that…

[@miss_editor]

Just to add, Oli London never wanted to be a woman, he just wanted to become a specific male K-Pop star. Then he realized he could make it a grift to claim he had been trying to be a woman. And then he started doing the conservative circuit.

[@bannstrahl]

he also went by they/them pronouns for a while - i don’t know if he ever actually identified as non binary or if that was a fluke, but he’s now very specifically against non binary identities too

[@brady5006]

He wanted to be a specific guy kpop star, then decided he wanted to be a specific girl. Then he became Christian and anti American trans policies (he's British so that's strange.) Olli just wants to keep being the center of attention

[@anonym0usplatypus]

This was so sad. I hope the people in this get the help they need

[@Argumemnon]

It's quite telling that conservatives think that being yourself and feeling free and comfortable in your own body is a bad thing. It says that our differences of ideology are irreconciblable, because helping people and being compassionate is simply against their core beliefs.

[@sophiepooks2174]

Example of why every trans person not just some should see an appropriate mental health professionals for more than one hour. Also the sad/ melancholic moody music helps set the emotional tone, help manipulate people's base emotions as usual.

[@jackofnotrades8648]

There’s that mayor from that small Georgian town who took their own life from the knowledge their cross-dressing coming out. Conservatives are trying to feign their support towards this persons family- yet they’re LITERALLY responsible. Tbh I have more respect for the ones who are openly saying their death is a good thing- which is still none. This is the result of “Christian love”. Even when they try to show candid examples of trans people they refute their own insanity. The utter disregard for human life and happiness is insane. Ah yes, ‘Murica “the freest country in the world”- where your freedoms extend to and end at being a conformist, miserable drone, who’s only worth is dependent solely upon how much you can slave away for billionaires. I just wanna live my own life and be the woman I’ve always known I was- and they will twist that into ME conforming. This idea of “trans-trenders” is so absurd, I personally can’t think of a social group in society that receives more vitriol & less compassion. Everyone has their two cents about my humanity. We’re such a disparate group so we’re also the most easily targetable. I just hate this country so fucking much.

[@shawnhenderson2091]

I love how you have an entire medical community of doctors and specialists dedicated to this field of medicine and you have another group comprised of flying spaghetti monster worshipers with (at most) a grade school level understanding of gender biology and psychology, and we are supposed to give equal credence to the latter group as we would the professionals? Nope, not happening.

[@jimbob498]

Your appeal to authority is cute. Not my fault I can think for myself

[@shawnhenderson2091]

@@jimbob498 That's just the thing though, I feel like those who claim its an "appeal to authority" to listen to the studies and claims made by medical professionals to be doing their own "appeal to authority" by bringing their religion into it, then citing crap sources and ignoring medical science while saying they're the ones appealing to the science here...its totally nonsensical...and nobody is telling you to not think for yourself except the ones on the right, the left is telling the right to stay the f*ck out of other people's business, the right sees that as oppression, they think the act of transition is degenerate and make their entire case based off a lie they themselves, the only "appeal to authority" being made by me is in respect to what studies and expertise is more valid, the science community preaching self actualization and acceptance? Or the religious community preaching intolerance? You DO have a right to think for yourself, and I have a right to think for myself that you are stupid if you side with the RW on this stuff, so I don't see what the issue is, think what you want dude, idgaf other than you're wrong if you think the lefties are the baddies in this situation.

[@sandersGG]

​@@jimbob498 thinking from your own limited knowledge is your fault u choose to be ignorant and lie to yourself

[@jimbob498]

@@shawnhenderson2091what “studies”. You people mention nothing other than appeal to authority…

[@jimbob498]

@@sandersGGyou being a prick doesn’t mean I’m wrong

[@TSmith-yy3cc]

I mean it kind of worked for me; I was pro-trans rights before and now I am super dooper pro trans-rights.

[@Skrogansauce]

So many of these arguments are like "i went to doctor said i was trans and they cut my genitals off instantly :("

[@OMGKawaiiPsycho]

I wish it worked like that

[@AzaiaMonota]

Speech 100

[@Ariel_is_a_dreamer]

*naruto sad music*

[@laravioliiii2832]

"Hey doctor I think I might have some gender dys-" *The Doctor Unsheathes his Blade, and in the blink of the eye, my dick fell off, without even harming my pants. Then, he used ESTROGEN NO JUTSU and injected me with 10x the amount of Estrogen needed, giving me big boobs*

[@PuppetsByPalmieri]

This doc basically shows that in the unlikely event you want to detransition it’s pretty easy for most people to do.

[@paulhammond6978]

Yeah - it's cool how the story of the main detrans person here, now having had a baby totally undermines the other anti-trans propaganda strand that any kind of gender affirming care is going to make you sterile for ever.

[@evan_j]

But it also warns, don't expect detransitioning to make you happy

[@PuppetsByPalmieri]

@@evan_j also true!

[@Xanthelei]

The really sad part about the FTM detrasitioner's story to me, a trans guy, is that I have not yet met another trans guy who HAS NOT had those thoughts of "but you aren't REALLY a man." This is a thing we struggle with because THE REST OF THE WORLD TELLS US THIS. This isn't even Christian guilt - I should know, having gone through that myself! I feel really badly for them, it's very clear to me that there were a lot of external pressures and not a lot of support in their life when they hit that inevitable bump, and I hate that they felt they had to detransition and are miserable. I really hope they get actual help from people who don't have an agenda beyond "You should be happy" but I kinda doubt they will, now that PragerU has gotten hold of them. (Yes, I'm using they/them, because I don't know what pronouns they actually want, and it feels less shitty to me this way.)

[@theotakux5959]

Anyone who publicly says you can't make yourself better by "chopping off body parts" should be barred from having tumors, tonsils, appendixes, or anything else causing them health problems removed.

[@galaxyocicat5660]

"Sorry, you can't have your tumor removed cause it would be mutilation."

[@bromleykatly]

not to mention cis guys get gynecomastia, some cis women need breast reductions for back pain etc. And yet some of these people are still fine with circumcising infants and performing other unnecessary surgeries on intersex infants...

[@SpeedyShimeji]

I hope people like Noah, Ash, and any others who had their videos and pictures stolen can legally pursue prageru in some way for this shit.

[@RaidenKunii]

since they posted those videos online i believe it could be used as "common use" or something like that, they didnt fully use a whole video so they sadly could get away with it

[@Argumemnon]

It's insane to me how much time and energy they spend on preventing less than 1% of the population from living their lives as they see fit.

[@icecrystal7965]

I grew up at a pretty pro trans school We had the clubs and everything I was even friendly acquaintances with a trans girl I was also into mlp, and wholely against sports, really not the archetypical male. I wasn't particularly secretive about any of that either Heck, I even had long hair And yet, I'm not trans, the trans community never found and converted me, dispite me being by all rights a "prime target" Or at least would appear as such from the outside Strange It's almost like that doesn't actually happen

[@klaibefhuoaiuwehjklbdfsnxnik]

Conservatives: 🤯

[@twistythetiny]

This shit speaks to me on a personal level. My mom was prevented from even CONSIDERING being a trans man because of the Christian guilt she was surrounded by. My mom never had a chance. She even admitted that she still dreams of being a man... but JESUS saved her and now she will embrace being a woman, even if it hurts.

[@Nerobyrne]

Imagine being so Jesus-brained that you risk your wife doing the "self-remove" rather than accepting that you're actually married to a dude.

[@Dmchadra]

What? Can you elaborate? I’m Daisy from the documentary by the way.

[@galaxyocicat5660]

@@Dmchadra lmao I saw you in another thread

[@awkwardukulele6077]

@@DmchadraI know I’m late to the convo, but Merry Christmas Daisy, and Happy Holidays y’all 😊

[@vickigroesbeck1104]

I was a deeply unhappy teen, who struggled with self-hate and depression. I also have PCOS and have a lot more testosterone naturally than most other women. I wasn't at all "typically feminine" and knew I was a disappointment to my mother. In spite of all this, I never for a second thought I was trans. Because I'm not. No amount of seeing happy trans men online would ever have persuaded me that I was. As you said... If learning about the existence of trans people is enough to convince you that you are trans... You probably are. Because believe it or not, it doesn't convince the rest of us.

[@apollofell3925]

31:38 Yeah, meeting a surgeon one time before getting surgery is routine for a surgery consultation. Also, his doctor wouldn't have just referred him, he would've needed to have been on hormones for some time AND request the referral specifically. Doctors don't just go "Okay you've been on hormones three weeks, time to schedule your bottom surgery."

[@thaenaa]

PragerPoo

[@LaSerpentDEden]

Holy shit. We got em

[@Piratewaffle43]

Why are people allowed to visibly smoke and drink? And I'm allowed to buy these things??? This SOCIAL CONTAGION could infect me!

[@Lala-kc2fw]

Actually yes it could, ye.

[@lukebytes5366]

Not the best example lol

[@atxbee]

oh that’s not..

[@olevgarden]

the detrans people look miserable. absolutely broken. so sad for them and what they were forced to become.