Insane Teacher Ragequits Because She Can't Abuse Her Students

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[@eryqeryq]

"I was smacked around as a kid, and I turned out great" -- every person who actually did not turn out great

[@MerelvandenHurk]

Yep, which you can prove really f*cking easily by just disagreeing with hitting kids and seeing how poorly they're able to control their emotions.

[@antonioscendrategattico2302]

​@@bostontowny4life744 Pretty telling that to "prove" you "turned out fine" you bring out your financial situation. That's... got very little to do with how "fine" you are psychologically.

[@antonioscendrategattico2302]

@@kagakai7729 Good for him, the plural of anecdote ain't data and someone's story on the internet is even less reliable than your average anecdote. He could be just presenting the parts of his life that work out well, he could be lying through his teeth, he could be entirely truthful and simply have gotten lucky. I don't give a shit. Not like y'all give any credence to the myriad of anecdotes that run contrary to your predetermined conclusion, much less the scientific studies.

[@xerxies8947]

I was abused in the name of "discipline" and it fucked me up for life. Even as a 5yr old I thought I was a bad person and I had to go through years of therapy to get over that and the other abuse I suffered. Breaking the cycle of abuse is really important and not letting teachers hit kids is one of the ways we do that.

[@Spock_Rogers]

​@@bostontowny4life744 Being a controlling narcissistic braggart isn't turning out great.

[@Octoberfurst]

This woman comes across as an angry conservative who thinks being a strict authoritarian who eagerly hands out corporal punishment is the best kind of teacher. Wrong! Her whining annoys me.

[@brandonbarrett4584]

My mother was just like this woman; she could never get it through her head despite years of it not working that being harsh and never showing love didn't make me want to improve, it just made me resent her. It's years later, I'm 26 years old now and just beginning to truly get over the damage I developed from it. Many people tend to forget the 'love' part of tough love.

[@joshl8599]

I was on the edge of my seat the entire time waiting for her to say "urban"

[@ryanwells137]

PBIS is about addressing causes of behavior rather than just putting students in the bad kid box. If students are fighting you could put them in detention, isolating them from their peers further and probably sparking more fights later, or you could hold a mediation with them where you learn why they were fighting and make a plan to prevent it in the future. These people really just want to punish kids because its easier for them than it is to think about what's happening for 15 minutes.

[@Demonetization_Symbol]

Meditation makes me feel like I'm not in control of my own body.

[@jonigarciajg]

Adults often think that they don't have the time or energy to do the proactive things to encourage good behavior and prevent bad behavior. What they don't realize is that they are spending more energy on the back end being reactive and actually increasing negative behavior.

[@unikracoon1913]

In France there is such a thing as "devoir de réserve" where you literally can't talk badly about the gouvernement unless you are legally on strike. I know, I'm a teacher

[@Romanticoutlaw]

jesus. What was the point of all those revolutions, then?

[@unikracoon1913]

@@Romanticoutlaw I mean that's crazy but those revolutions did pretty cool stuff

[@wta1518]

Here in the US we can say whatever we want about the government, except when they're actually doing something bad and then they just ignore the constitution.

[@asherroodcreel640]

Is that why you guys keeping pooping in the streets?

[@davitdavid7165]

That's the dumbest thing in the world

[@eagle1-bestgirl]

Funnily enough, my high school history teacher constantly told us how well behaved we were compared to his generation. He'd be like, "Back in my day, we'd skip an entire week of school and just go out drinking or picking fights in the parking lot. Nowadays, you all think you're being rebels when you show up to class five minutes late." It was hilarious to hear.

[@Mudmunt]

You just KNOW this lady was the type of person to Google all her curriculum material an hour before the class starts

[@8114梦见]

Vaush’s anecdote on homework is interesting, because I personally found I learned the most with homework assignments in school. I felt doing the homework assignments actually helped me learn the reasons and applications around skills. Courses in school that I had few assignments in, I now have limited memory of the content on. I’m in applications based engineering though, so maybe my case is specific.

[@tinycrimester]

"violence is the last refuge of the incompetent" --isaac asimov

[@keeponjammin456]

You're telling me that crazy lady who wants to be a teacher so she can knock some kids tf out is also Christofash? 😳😲

[@keeponjammin456]

@1:13:56 welcome back

[@absenteechild8542]

My dads a moderately high profile teacher (he makes tech KZbin videos for teachers in his free time) and he has been approached by a ton of orgs (similar to something like the heritage foundation), asking him to make anti-woke propaganda. A lot of these teachers are grifters, and a big part of that is us not paying teachers enough. They’re actively looking to buy teacher voices yknow. I think this might be an actual op

[@Struudeli]

Me and my brothers were raised with basically no punishments. We never made any trouble in school or anywhere else. Two of us got badly bullied, but we were raised with compassion and empathy and never took it out on anyone else. This is just one example of course, but at the same time I watched my friends who had very strict parents, losing their grip, using drugs, breaking property and coming home drunk. And the ones with minimal to no punishment, conversational parents, got through their teenage and young adult years without problems with any bad behaviour.

[@karatorres2047]

I hate when other teachers argue against standards based grading. Students in my class only do performance based assessments, and can go back and redo work or redo assessments to prove they mastered the skills. I don’t care when they master the skill, just that they master it. They can also turn in work late until the assessment and redo later if necessary. This ensures their grades reflect their learning and not whether or not they can memorize, or turn in work on time, etc. I have done this for a year and a half and already seen a TREMENDOUS difference in my students. I also stopped assigning homework after my first year, and data supports that decision despite what my older colleagues say.

[@TheNerdWizard]

I've seen her other videos before, she is talking about middle and high school students, not 5 year olds.

[@asteranx]

Nothing gives me more hope for the future than the fact that this lady quit teaching.

[@seta-san2149]

As a 11 year janitor in a public school I can vouch for the teachers chair thing. They don’t sit at the teachers desk. But they go get to sit in the teachers super comfortable rolling chair at their own desk.

[@myramedchan4775]

I(14 at the time) had a cousin(5m at the time) who manipulated my kindness and my father figures more conservative mindset to get away with theft because he was jealous of me taking time away from his time with his uncle. But thats anecdotal. I didn't have quite enough forethought to figure out how to properly explain that i wasnt actually in his way. But i had the capacity to figure out how to bring his manipulation to the authority in the circumstance which made it harder for him to manipulate said authority but we didn't get along and he would do everything in his power to annoy or bother me...

[@ApartmentPrepping]

This is a teacher who’s bullying a kid and the principal figured it out and tried to console the kid. The teacher probably quit because the principal held her accountable.

[@AvaruusArt]

18:30 Yea, I think that having to clean up after yourself and others you learn to respect the people who do those things for you elsewhere. I also think that you should clean up after yourself so if you destroy/mess up school property the school should be able to demand you to clean up after your mess. Like in my school if you drew on your desk or dented it, you had to go to wood workshop after school to fix it so sand it down etc. (ofc teacher was there for help and advice)

[@MissyGail4eva]

If one looks at British schools, the focus isn't on individual, regimental grading levels, but instead fully comprehensive key assessments (the SATs, or national curriculum assessments, are assessments of primary pupils' progress and attainment, completed at the end of two key stages) and the GCSEs (General Certificate of Secondary Education), which are taken upon the completion of high school.

[@gregmumbai333]

I know a lot of people who have gone into teaching (many of whom are no longer teaching) None of them say the reason why they left is the money it's not that weird Vaush. Sure in a broader conversation they will say that they should be paid more (and they should) but they will talk about the workload, high pressure, awful bureaucracy, and the demanding parents before they talk about money. Because teachers don't go into teaching for the money.

[@31415926535equalspi]

I’m a teacher considering leaving Teaching, and if I were paid enough to do things like buy a house, I might stay. I say “might” because it is such an incredibly stressful and impossible job. Higher pay may enable me to invest more in my future by buying a house and retiring early. With more $ I could also take better care of myself by paying someone to cook & clean because you’re too obliterated to do anything besides lie on the couch after work and rest before you have to grade papers and write lesson plans for the next day. Even being able to do all that, I’m still not sure more $ would be worth it.

[@dragoncatoverload]

The way I remember schooling is that we would get homework but it was graded based on participation. There was no active points based on how well you did and then our grades would come from the test which where the boss fights. And homework did help me with some subjects mainly math. Reading the textbook was much more handy for every other subject because it reiterated what the teacher had taught in class. Also we got graded on the “how well are you progressing” thing in elementary we didn’t get letter grades for specific subjects til middle school.

[@matthewmayton1845]

With all the issues teachers have to endure (i.e. underfunded schools, wages, lack of administrative support, the attack on education itself), the fact this person seems to believe discipline is the number one thing shows a disconnect. And yes, kids not being disciplined is a problem, but so is unsupported administration and parents which can contribute to this.

[@BlizzardfurYT]

i had a teacher that was like her in grade school and oh boy...

[@HotDogTimeMachine385]

Wha... wha... is this woman an actual teacher? She would fail any sort of teaching class, what?

[@applejuicyjuice]

I’m a social worker at an elementary school and the level of acting out and aggression has increased every year I’ve worked there. I’ve been at my same school for 7 yrs.

[@applejuicyjuice]

Everything Vaush said about teachers wanting to punish kids because the teacher is frustrated is accurate. They don’t want to actually build relationships or treat kids like humans deserving of respect. It’s incredibly frustrating after MANY years of providing teachers with education about behavior, social, emotional and mental health there are teachers like her that refuse to accept the science or change their ways.

[@hannahbrown5751]

I was a “good kid” in school. Teachers loved me and I was largely left alone compared to the kids that would misbehave. The reason why I was a “good kid” was mostly because of undiagnosed autism, I was TERRIFIED of authority and authoritarian teachers scared the shit out of me and I ended up learning nothing. But none of that was a problem because I was a “good kid”

[@Smellanie4121]

Felt the same way. Autistic here too.

[@kayvee256]

Yep. I'm convinced that every so-called "gifted kid" is actually a kid with undiagnosed special needs that aren't being met. I had undiagnosed autism and a dash of ADHD, and it flew completely under the radar because I was able to hyperfixate on learning to get good grades. I couldn't do homework or assignment work until the last minute, but even though every adult told me this was bad practice told me I'd do bad work if I rushed, my work under pressure was _amazing_ because stress and urgency are strong motivators for my people. But it's a deeply unhealthy way to be productive and it's fucked me over most of my life. But I was an anxious wreck the whole time and couldn't carry a conversation with another person my own age. So I wasn't talking in class, I was quiet and attentive. So I was considered a gifted kid instead because I got good grades and never caused trouble. This led to problems in early adulthood once I moved out of a primary and secondary school environment. What a shock! I'm diagnosed now and getting the help and support I need. Life is good. But looking back I'm starting to get bloody furious that these problems weren't caught sooner. I had so much wasted time and pointless suffering and confusion through my teens and twenties until I worked this stuff out, and I can never get that time back.

[@Matthew-zn3zm]

​@@kayvee256 you expect alot of people getting 40k a year to teach times tables and babysit

[@kayvee256]

@@Matthew-zn3zm I'm not expecting more of a single person getting underpaid to babysit. I want education to be about producing citizens that are highly educated, politically informed, and economically productive. Problem is, most developed nations aren't aiming their education policy at that outcome. Mostly they only care about getting a babysitter for 30 kids so those kids' parents can all go to work. The decision-makers within a school in turn only really want to provide that service as cheaply as possible so they can pocket the difference themselves. Times tables are just a nice-to-have in that kind of system. We can't expect a single underpaid teacher to solve that gap. We need more adults in classrooms and we need them to be better paid than they currently are. But we won't get it if voters, parents and rate payers don't start demanding it.

[@happyclown4331]

Yeah just sitting there being a watcher of trauma lead me to zip my mouth shut in fear of being berated. I just want to help everyone and teachers, really glad I've had some awesome teachers who *slightly* noticed this and gave me more attention

[@screamingphoenix8113]

Lady saw Pink Floyd's Another Brick in the Wall, and thought it was a celebration.

[@VCV95]

😂🤣😂🤣☠️☠️☠️☠️

[@Altorin]

She really needs to watch Full Metal Jacket or some old student of hers might pull a Gomer Pile

[@rosestrohm7986]

Cant have any pudding without eatin your meat

[@BiceratopsWi]

"WROOOOONG DOIT AGAIN"

[@tomboz777]

Lol…I can see her doing a Shapiro/Knowles type cringe “well actually…hypothetically” response video to part two.

[@RealBenda]

I'm a classics teacher. I've read texts by people from two millennia ago. "The kids are wild and stupid" is maybe the oldest trope among writers talking about society ever.

[@WASDLeftClick]

I don’t understand why this isn’t well-understood by most people.

[@TheMahayanist]

Ancient Egyptian literature has the same BS

[@PiccoTerra]

isn't one of the older texts we have chiseled into stone about the teacher venting about the students writing everything down?

[@dzonbrodi514]

@@vanessaashford9203 Aristophanes was the prototype Boomer

[@dzonbrodi514]

@@WASDLeftClick because most people think that the 1950s or 1980s was distant history

[@DanielleCapichano]

My grandmother threw a priest down a stairwell after he called her in to talk about why it was necessary to rap my father's five years old hands with a ruler, for "insubordination". Just saying, corporal punishment goes both ways.

[@greywolf7577]

What did the church or school system do when they found out what your grandmother had done?

[@jingbot1071]

@@greywolf7577 Hopefully kept their mouth shut for fear of it happening to them, too.

[@ariandynas]

I like your grandmother.

[@aguyontheinternet8436]

hell fucking yeah

[@Robin-jk6wz]

Common granny W

[@eman22017]

As a someone who has recently become a teacher I’ve come to realize that if you do not have patience and aren’t empathetic, this isn’t the profession for you.

[@BVargas78]

I think it's going to get harder and harder to recruit people to the difficult schools as time goes on.

[@eman22017]

@@BVargas78 there are ways you can rectify that, through better benefits and pay.

[@jackdanson2]

Unfortunately it's not the profession for nearly everyone. My cousin is a public school First Grade teacher in a rough area of north St. Louis. She's a wonderful person with the patience of a saint, but she ends up doing a yearly go-fund-me to buy supplies for her students. The only electronics they get is whatever my mom can wrangle up as hand-me-downs from her church. And she still makes less per year than I do slinging boxes PART TIME in a warehouse.

[@goldengolem4670]

to be fair thats kinda "water is wet"

[@Darkloid21]

It’s not a matter of patience or empathy it’s rather how little you get paid for the amount of effort you need to put into the job.

[@Dsworddance22]

This reminds me of that one therapist on TikTok complaining about patients "trauma dumping" or something along those lines

[@FelisImpurrator]

"My brother in Christ, you literally have one job"

[@davitdavid7165]

How can you be this delusional?

[@FelisImpurrator]

​@@davitdavid7165 by being right-wing, it's the primary symptom of the brain disease

[@Chelaxim]

@@FelisImpurrator Go listen to a true crime podcast with a case from the 70s or 80s that was recently solved and take a drink everytime the hosts say police incompetence or police negligence.

[@DrMocktopus1]

I remember that, that was crazy

[@hatientacetlen4246]

Wow there's a kid in my class who acts out because he's from a broken home where he's physically and emotionally abused. I wonder if we can fix this through physical and emotional abuse.

[@physicsfantasy8739]

That's not what she is saying. That's disingenuous

[@mrungk]

@@physicsfantasy8739 People can see the tears and seething through the screen. People are less likely to notice it if you come up with a coherent argument and elaborating instead of just denying someone's statement.

[@jackdiddles4304]

@@physicsfantasy8739 nope, corporal punishment is abuse, it doesn't solve any problem that couldnt be solved by more reasonable approaches

[@themadmanescaped1]

​@@physicsfantasy8739 that is exactly what she's saying.

[@beneroni8345]

​@@physicsfantasy8739that's what she was saying and what you agree with your being disingenuous

[@DHLpersonal]

Tbh as a highschooler I think it would be impossible as a teacher to try to hit a student past the 7th grade without getting hit back

[@octogonSmuggler]

There was that one girl who pepersprayed her teacher for confiscating her phone. And a dude who beat a teacher unconscious over a Nintendo switch. Both were in high school.

[@paulinxm8201]

​@@octogonSmuggler Honestly though? I wish to have confidence like that some day. Ofc not in those situations, but hey, too much is better than nothing.

[@octogonSmuggler]

@@paulinxm8201 No, but, same though. Like, I wish I had that much confidence. Lmao

[@brunoactis1104]

​@@paulinxm8201Just do it. Confidence is not a state of being. You're not confident, you ACT in ways that pile up and lead people to label you as confident and you feeling that way, which leads to you acting confidently even more. Just do it, be pourposely impulsive, you don't have to be "born impulsive", you can act in an impulsive way too regardless if you think you are one to act that way or not.

[@dinodare1605]

Not really, there isn't an age limit on abuse. Parents get their kids conditioned to accept getting hit all the way into their 30s.

[@zenbear9952]

This lady shouldn't be a teacher and the creationist stuff he finds at the end really explains everything that is wrong with her as a teacher

[@kj_H65f]

"Why can't I push my religion into my students and enforce it through intimidation and violence? Its so unfair!!"

[@FelisImpurrator]

Conservatives love framing punishment as "consequence" because they want people to believe that physical and mental abuse is an inevitable result of how the world works, not a product of their unhinged ideology. Edit: Especially religious ones. They literally just use the idea of a god as a pretext to sell the notion that their violence is part of natural moral law and thus unquestionably justified.

[@jonathanjuarez5544]

​@@kj_H65f The average Republican mindset in a nutshell.

[@sherlocksmuuug6692]

Not just creationism, straight up evangelical doomsday-cult doctrine. I'm surprised she didn't promise the viewers how the faithful would ride eternal, shiny and chrome.

[@ExSpoonman]

​@@kj_H65f Queue up the Christian Persecution Complex

[@themanwithoutaplan9389]

There has been a notable uptick, post quarantine, of children’s behavioral problems. More than likely these kids have spent 1-2 years with very little social interaction, which makes them more vulnerable to socially disruptive behavior manifesting. The huge problem is that most schools are not equipped to deal with such a situation, and the teachers take the brunt of it.

[@bluexephosfan970]

Yeah, that's what I've heard from a lot of teachers. The problem isn't a lack of punishment, it's that administration is forcing teachers to be their students punching bag without doing anything to support them

[@Blackmamba-ce3nb]

Ask any veteran teacher and they will all tell you that student behavior is worse now than it’s ever been. Covid caused a huge shift and technology has ruined the attention spans of kids.

[@asherroodcreel640]

​@@bluexephosfan970 what could they do to help?

[@kj_H65f]

​@@bluexephosfan970 the solution isn't to allow the teachers to physically punch kids. Even if the problem is as simple as you describe.

[@bluexephosfan970]

@Jub-Jub Bouvier of course, did I imply that's the solution I supported? I think the woman in this video is batshit crazy. The real solution is, as all always, more funding, hiring more teachers, and hiring more specialists for dealing with dangerous kids safely, for both the kid and the teacher.

[@immaheadout4777]

Teachers should absolutely get paid a lot more and should absolutely get a lot more support than they do but corporal punishment should be outlawed completely. And I’d never hit any my kids.

[@FelisImpurrator]

Corporal punishment being banned isn't even necessarily a moral thing. It's objectively wrong. As in, empirically the incorrect thing to do.

[@zacheryeckard3051]

​@@FelisImpurrator Facts. It's an L on every level to defend it.

[@yoyohayli]

​@@FelisImpurrator But it is also immoral to physically punish kids. It causes harm to their wellbeing in multiple ways with no real benefit to wellbeing, so it's immoral.

[@Darkloid21]

@@yoyohayli That’s..not true? What evidence is there that corporal punishment is bad?

[@jurgnobs1308]

​@@Darkloid21 there are a ton of studies that prove that ALL forms of corporal punishment lead to higher rates of violent crime. the pro-hitting kids crowd only has the "hurr durr i got hit and i turned out fine" pseudo argument. the ones that oppose it have studies on their side. btw: the fact that people think some kids need to be spanked just proves that the lesson people make from being spanked is that violence is the only solution. which is exactly the problem with it. so, if you got hit and still support hitting, you did in fact not turn out fine.

[@robinvik1]

There is a 100 percent chance this woman got in trouble with her principal for attempting to do an exorcism on one of her pupils

[@annebruecks7381]

😂

[@danieltobin4498]

Or abusing a student. Her channel just seems like cope for something that happened to her years ago

[@filipmaly6603]

What do you mean there is no Excorcism policy on this scholl?! Call me your manager, boy! - Sun Tzu, Art of Karen, new book from NY Times best seller book Art of War

[@julial9770]

My sister works at a preschool and was telling me about a kid that was being disrespectful. They were hitting other kids, not listening to teachers, etc. My sister was trying to separate them from hitting another kid. This two-year-old (and I shit you not) SPIT in my sister's face. And they KNEW what that meant, God knows how. My sister then basically told this kid "When I count down to five, we are going to a quiet room and talk. If you do not walk, I will carry you there." She ended up taking this kid to a private room and told them she would wait until they were ready to talk. She sat with them for 30 minutes, even brought them their snack and bathroom time to stay on schedule. But her and a two-year-old ended up talking and respect and interactions with others. Dude, I was really proud of my sister when she told me about this. She's loved by her kids and the staff. She does her job so well. And she also said that she felt a wave of rage when this toddler literally spit in her face, but she knew nothing good would come of her getting mad. That's exactly the reaction this kid was looking for. Moral of the story is that a if a literal two-year-old can understand respect, adults can too. These kids mimic you and if you show them this behavior is acceptable, they'll only replicate it.

[@Alaskan-Armadillo]

Holy shit.. That is so admirable.. Seriously.. It is behavior like your sisters that makes me wish I knew them so I could give a more sincere compliment other than a reply.

[@ChiWillett]

I wish this was more standard practice in US education and hate that due to so many varying factors that this approach is something that's hard to implement well without significant changes to the US education system

[@smaakjeks]

Yeah, no 2 year old acts like that unless they live in a horrible home. Kids act out when they are scared, frustrated or angry. They just can't explain this because they are still human versions of puppies. Sounds like your sister pretty much nailed it. Patience, respect, trust, and understanding is something that kid has probably never encountered before she showed up. KNOWING that she will never hurt them -- being that safe bedrock for the kid -- could turn their entire life around. Outstanding.

[@mielipuolisiili7240]

Your sister is an Adult with a capital A.

[@crosseyedcat1183]

I think people tend to forget that smart adults were probably also smart kids. This kid is probably advanced for their age and I'm glad she took the time to respect their intelligence.

[@bigdsweet]

As a teacher I can understand the frustration with kids. I have kids that cuse me out, are selling drugs in the bathroom, and have no accountability at home. It is tough and has made me cry some days. (Middle school btw.) However, I wish to show kids kindness because so many don’t have that. They don’t have someone on their side. I try my best which lets me sleep sound at night. Do I help every kid? No, but with 35+ kids per class I physically and mentally can’t. I do try and I think that has helped the kiddos I can reach.

[@13thloona]

Reading ur comment broke me bc my mom also cried regularly before quitting. She was really caring and gave up most of her family time to her students before eventually quitting. Hope it gets better

[@fluffyfishcool226]

I cant imagine how difficult the job must be, but truly thank you for even trying Believe me it does make all the difference to the kids that need it

[@praisethesun3089]

​@João Baptista Dias Moreira getta load of this guy

[@Fluttersniper]

Stay strong, and stay involved with your teachers’ union if possible. If you’re underpaid and overworked, how can you be expected to do your best for your students?

[@Yepmyaccount]

Yeah, it's insanely difficult seeing how rough some of these kids have it, and how that leads to most of the problems in the school. It's also bothering seeing how some people can be so reductive to say that 'every generation says this about the next generation'. They kids have some serious problems after the covid gap, and teachers often don't get a lot of support because the system is so overburdened and there is so little funding to allow for more allotments at schools. People get sick of the workload, so they quit, and then that creates an even bigger workload for the people left, and no one wants to come in because now the workload is even bigger than before because of all the people leaving. It's a terrible negative feedback loop.

[@Maelys_ACNH]

My teachers hitting me back in school taught me violence is a useful solution to problems. No wonder I was a bully in high school. Is that really something we want, though ?

[@legion999]

You're saying you hit them first?

[@brandi598]

@@legion999 "back in school" not "hitting me back" im p sure

[@XXXXX8]

@@brandi598 They're saying they were acting out and the teacher fixed their attitude by hitting them and it worked. That led them to punching all their problems away.

[@legion999]

@@brandi598 lol yeah you're probably right silly me

[@Buttington_Headerson]

@@legion999it’s ok I read it that way as well haha

[@diablominero]

Being a well-behaved kid and getting no recognition and no rewards while watching your poorly-behaved classmates get stuff can feel unjust. But the solution to that isn't screwing everyone over.

[@dinodare1605]

Yeah, like you can have other treats to give the behaved kids. It's only a problem if you intended to give no students anything fun outside of the system for helping "bad" kids.

[@sophiepooks2174]

You wouldn't know seeing how many behave today, somehow I didn't seem to get the memo either, the one that says to be not harassed, taken seriously and get what you want you must behave and look like a complete arrogant, aggro, self obsessed arsehole, get in the grill of any random passer by sneer and roll your eyes at them if they do not look like people in your bubble. I was raised to be respectful and kind no matter how intolerant, horrible and hostile the rest of society becomes. Obviously it is a harder path to take when you see the worst traits of human behavior being so well rewarded and even encouraged. Yet I will never let those who have to shit on everything nice, decent, joyful, want everyone living in a feral and lawless society, being mean, nasty and cruel because they want power and material things grind me down to become as soulless and inhumane as them.

[@Lambda_Ovine]

As someone with ADHD, I was more prone to cause frustrations to adults and get in trouble with other kids. Teachers weren't and aren't allowed to hit you, but everyone knew back then that if the teachers talked to your parents and they suggested "harsher discipline" you were bound to get hit by your parents as soon as you get home, every kid I knew back then got at least spanked once in a while. My parents used to hit me with a belt quite often, as a teen my father "had to" upgrade to a closed fist to the face, though he only did that a couple times before I had to be sent to a psychologist after my mom caught me experimenting with self-harm. The psychologist explained a few things to my parents and so they stopped "harsh punishment" and only then, and in combination of other support, my behavior started to change for the better. I stopped running from home, I stopped breaking into private property with shaky company, I stopped insulting teachers, I started doing my homework. When I stopped being hit by my parents, and they promised me to never hit me again, everything I used to do that caused me to get punished stopped. When I see people like her argue for corporal punishment, I get filled with rage and anger, because I know first hand that she's arguing to make everything worse for everybody, just for the chance of feeling catharsis when she does something bad back to a kid that annoyed her or disrespected her or whatever. Fuck her.

[@antonioscendrategattico2302]

Yeah, people like that deserve none of the respect and obedience they think they're entitled to.

[@dinodare1605]

It's messed up that the bar is so low, but your parents sending you to therapy for self harm actually raises them slightly above a lot of parents, especially conservative ones. Most parents in my family will punish or belittle their kids for self harm.

[@KindlyCryptid]

Relatively New Teacher here: it’s my experience that kids are typically inherently good and caring after say 1st-2nd grade, and those with social/behavioral problems are usually a bit ostracized by their peers, which can exacerbate their behaviors if not careful. I did my student teaching in NYC and as a male teacher, it CANNOT BE UNDERSTATED the effect a positive male role model has on little boys behavior. Kids with behavior problems nearly always have legitimate social-emotional issues they simply can’t communicate or control. Imagine how you would feel if you were insanely pissed all the time and couldn’t speak? Kids usually just need an outlet and a person they trust; they rest they tend to grow out of. Or not. 🤷‍♂️

[@IshtarNike]

This is true. Teachers need far more time with kids to help them and it's not going to happen while there's a teacher shortage. There is a vicious cycle going now and it will take huge investment, literally billions, to reverse it.

[@grice478]

Yeah, I'm a new teacher and I find even troubled kids are good when given the chance. They just need more help and care

[@Demonetization_Symbol]

Or a good female role model

[@kj_H65f]

There's been no corporal punishment in my state for decades. These psychos are trying to wind the clock back to the 1970s without even knowing what that world was like then.

[@rikifromplanetk8305]

Bruh im from NJ where we have one of the best, if not the best public school system in america. And there is no coporal punishment. Heck ive literally seen shit improve in general as i was going through grade school. 100% hitting kids does not achieve anything besides maybe making adults feel better about themselves, as well as making them scared. Maybe im just a young 22 year old, but ideally you should make people want to do good, not have them only do good because they fear punishment. Because as soon as they dont fear the punishment everything crumbles, and all your doing is adding torment onto an endless cycle of torment. Irregardless of who deserves what, violence will always lead to more violence

[@malum9478]

@@rikifromplanetk8305 oh i wouldve broken this bitch. i was catching the belt by the time i was in middleschool when my ma used to whoop me(she eventually realized it was wrong and apologized later in life), and that was my moms. YOU'RE just some teacher i don't even like?? i might just beat your ass for even tryin to touch me, and i definitely would've made your life hell with my defiant ass. heaven help whoever tried it tho because even if my ma used to whoop me she never let anyone else hit me--let alone some egomaniac teacher. she would've folded this bitch and anyone else that did something similar. regarding corporal punishment not working, i remember learning from my psych class in college as a freshmen even that not only does hitting kids not work, but the second they become old enough to reason out that "getting hit doesn't mean that much" without knowing why they shouldn't do something? it's over. hit em all you want, they're still gonna sneak out. and if you hit em enough and knock something loose whoops now your little boy is a 5"10+ young man with muscle mass and he's swinging back and now you have a tragedy on your hands.

[@dandoll4405]

My school still had corporal punishment in 1990 when I was in kindergarten. I think that was the last year.

[@gwit4051]

conservatism in a nutshell. they want to go back to "the good old days" without thinking about all of the reasons those days were not good at all

[@ssaberwolf]

@Gwit It hurts my heart to hear a Black, American woman trying to make a case for turning back the clock on the wholesale normalization of violent standards of power

[@Westlander857]

I had teachers who were amazing and deeply caring people, but I also had teachers who I think just wanted to be in a position of unchecked authority. They wanted control over a group of young, defenseless, powerless people who aren’t allowed to question them or stand up for themselves at any point, at least without serious consequences. Probably because they felt a lack of control and purpose in their own personal lives. Their behavior made it impossible for me to think otherwise.

[@bobjason7540]

This is the majority of people that go into public seevice jobs. They just want the power

[@blacky_Ninja]

I guess all schools have these and those Teachers. Even in my school, which was and still is like really top notch when it comes to teachers, we had two or three maniacs running around where it was a miracle if they DIDN‘T make the whole class cry at one point in their time together and the whole school knew them for that exact reputation. Though we didn‘t have any maniacs in elementary i can remember, but i think those are under stricter supervision in my country anyways. Still, you‘ll never be completely safe of such deranged individuals.

[@Westlander857]

@@blacky_Ninja You’re right that there are such people everywhere. I just think it’s different when you have someone dealing with kids and teenagers. They often don’t have the emotional tools or wherewithal to deal with such people, and they’re not allowed to stand up to them either. They’ll get in trouble if they do, and school administrators will immediately dismiss their concerns.

[@Yepmyaccount]

It's an extreme minority, though there are a few people I've had the displeasure of working with that I think that to be the case. The reality is that most teachers that are bad either have too much on their plate being handed down by the district, or too many extra curriculars they are being voluntold for, and they just resort to lashing out to get the kids to follow along because of their now tight time budget and high academic expectations; or they are simply incompetent. For the latter, I was quite surprised to find out just how 'human' a lot of teachers are on the backend. Classroom management is a hard school to master, and most teachers just don't have the time, energy, or support to practice it.

[@annebruecks7381]

That's been my experience with low-level retail managers as well. HUGE superiority complex, they are Definitely overcompensating for a lack in their own lives.

[@robmckennie4203]

"you don't cuss, you don't throw desks, you don't wear slutty clothing" one of these things is not like the others

[@michael.471]

This woman’s attitude reminds me of my dad’s French teacher who ended up having a huge turnout at her funeral to make sure she was dead because of how she terrified the students.

[@Iris_1217]

Did they drive a stake through her heart?

[@Maxisamo1]

​@@Iris_1217"TOO BAD"

[@Grace-tg4oy]

Living for her saying "We're expected to teach these kids." in an exasperated tone like she wasn't a literal teacher.

[@ascii_9727]

@Eyeney she was literally talking about elementary school kids. I'm sorry but the teaching responsibilities of an elementary school teacher is maybe perhaps 30% the actual subject at most and 70% to be a functioning member of a community

[@flamingogh_]

​@Eyeney If you don't want to act as an authority figure while the parents aren't there and teach students morals and values, then you should teach college because you do not belong in k-12.

[@nicolaim4275]

@Eyeney Once kids start school parents actually lose a lot of their options for raising their kids. The kids spend most of their time awake in school and often good parents are left doing coordination and mediation with other parents and the school to make sure everyone understands how to best help the kids develop. For better or worse the school is de facto raising the kids.

[@finalcut612]

@Eyeney teachers absolutely help with raising kids

[@D_McGeezacks]

​@Eyeney I agree with you ideally, but school in some cases may be the only respite from a horrible home situation and teachers should be prepared to deal with it

[@00t9x]

I’m a substitute teacher and yes, Vaush, she does throw up a lot of red flags. Also yes, high school students are super stoked to sit at my desk.

[@inTIMMYdator44]

Yea vaush really forgot how much hs desks suck. And you sit in them for hoursss. I loved snagging the teachers chair at club meetings lol

[@justcallmekai1554]

Those hs desk were torture to my ass and back. Idk whose idea was it to make them as uncomfortable as possible

[@trianglemoebius]

@@inTIMMYdator44 Vaush grew up in LA, so maybe he had nicer desks than the rest of the US? I could totally see LA using better seating. They're liberals, after all, and we all know liberals are too soft on our kids! For internet clarity: The last line about the liberals is a joke.

[@KazeShikamaru]

There are some red flags but she isn't fully wrong. Vaush is pretty ignorant on this. I'm sub too.

[@eyreyereye]

there is actually a behaviour issue going on in schools now, but the main issue is lack of support from admin not the kids themselves

[@SoWhosGae]

The main issue is parents at home not giving any effs more and more

[@dren5810]

That's one half of it for sure, American education is fucked. Not providing students the necessary resources, admin with unrealistic expectations and not giving support, over worked or lazy parents who are absent from their kids lives. The issue is multifaceted and I feel like vaush's read of this is so off base it's hilarious

[@GustSergeant]

​@@SoWhosGae that may be a factor, but that doesn't tell the whole story.

[@yellowgreymorals]

@@SoWhosGae Is there any reason to believe this? It sounds like everyone says this, but is that actually happening? Are parents really giving less fucks?

[@mockingbird4346]

@@yellowgreymorals Yes. Covid lockdowns caused a lot of people to be trapped with their family, which has sparked a hatred of said family members. It's why we're seeing spikes in domestic abuse and divorces even now. The same is true with parents, they learn they hate their fucking kid and check out of parenting. That's not to say I'm against lockdowns, it was just an unfortunate outcome of unhealthy family dynamics in the US

[@hunterm8516]

wanna point out real quick - the thing about kids who behave well not getting the attention they need bc all the focus goes to kids who behave badly is a genuine issue, it’s important for teachers/caretakers to be aware of how they are dividing their attention so that nobody gets overlooked

[@hunterm8516]

It’s just not an issue that is solved by punishment and also very clearly not an issue this woman cares about

[@antonioscendrategattico2302]

@@hunterm8516 Yeah, I cannot imagine that woman using the energy saved by taking the easy road in dealing with bullying that essentially lets her tell herself "I did something" and changed fucking nothing else being spent on anything that actually helped her students. You can't win with certain people, they've dug their heels in and will defend to the death their right to not think and not have to care about other people at all. So, just... fire them. Don't look back, just kick them out. They can go get a job where they don't have to interact with other human beings if it's so insufferable to them. You think that way, don't be a fucking teacher, simple as.

[@catbiscuits4424]

I see a big part of this being the constantly increasing ratio of students per teacher. So they end up just running round all day putting out the worst fires, Under the circumstances doing so makes sense so in turn I think the solution is to change the circumstances. Classrooms are being designed like an assembly line and so that's what they end up resembling.

[@afairyist9981]

Exactly, well said ❤

[@haleyspence]

Thisssss My eldest is in the fifth grade and finally got a teacher that actually sees HIM and his quiet struggles and not just the overly friendly and sensitive little guy that he is. Our last parent teacher conference was like an actual fkin hour of brain storming and discussing and her being really firm with me even and my tendency to make excuses for him 😅 And she had no negative comments on his behavior!

[@nathanerrington7983]

I will say - more attention does need to be given to kids who are better behaved. I was a fairly bright and well behaved student, so I was generally left to my own devices, but I did have some difficulties that completely spiralled after leaving school that were ultimately found to be undiagnosed ADHD. I ended up failing my final year of uni and got my diagnosis halfway through the resit. Having that spotted when I was 12 instead of 22 could've prevented a lot of difficulty later on in life. Also, some abused kids will just shrink into themselves/bury themselves in schoolwork. This kind of stuff needs to be spotted much quicker than it currently is. Basically, we need smaller class sizes

[@agencymenace1090]

I think it's generally a bad idea to strip bad behaved kids of a lifeline because a "good kid" might have ADHD (I'm someone with ADHD too). If you leave a bad behaved kid to their devices then they'll either spiral and kill themselves or be terrible struggling people. I was a horrible kid because I was being groomed online and neglected at home, the only reason I didn't kill myself was because teachers showed they cared.

[@artemisameretsu6905]

​@Agency Menace OP isn't saying take the lifeline away from bad kids, they're saying good well-behaved kids deserve one just as much because internalizing their struggle doesn't make them suffer any less. Smaller classroom sizes being the proper response.

[@antonioscendrategattico2302]

We absolutely do need smaller class sizes. And the only reason why we don't get them is politicians catering to affluent parents who go "hurr durr my kid is okay, they don't have problems, school is a waste of money, all you need is jesus".

[@noone26667]

As someone with a degree in education, I can tell you that the problems don’t lie with the students but rather the administration. I never had an issue with students no matter how rowdy or out of control they may have been. I ALWAYS had issues with the administration telling me how I needed to handle the students which was usually more aggressive than what I was comfortable with. No, I’m not sending students out of class because they didn’t wear a belt. No, I’m not calling their parents because they’re loud in class. No, I’m not giving them detention because they are arguing in class. I preferred facilitating discourse on why those actions or behaviors were distracting or inappropriate. That’s why I left teaching and chose to enroll in trade school. (Also the pay isn’t worth it imo)

[@Lingboysc2]

It’s sad that empathetic people get pushed out of teaching.

[@zefft.f4010]

Discourse!? Problem solving!? *EMPATHY!?* Sounds an awful lot like *COMMUNISM* to me! /s

[@davitdavid7165]

It's so sad to read something like this. One has to imagine how manny lives would be drastically improved and maybe even saved if situations like that did not happen.

[@jaymum23]

@@davitdavid7165 Americans don’t care about lives. They care about money and power.

[@lunsen402]

good lord you´re administrators sounds like deamons. I say this as a swedish teacher. I think i´ve never been told to send students out becouse they didn´t wear a belt or anything similar to that. Not to mention calling the perants becouse the kid was to loud.

[@fluididi1149]

In high school my friend was refused to use their pass to go to the special Ed room. They just wanted to go calm down so they didn’t have an autism meltdown, and knew the teacher didn’t have the right to refuse that pass. So they flipped off the teacher and said “fuck you” on their way out the door. That cowardly ass teacher then went and got a bigger, stronger teacher - who just so happened to also be making my life hell while I was in HIS class. That burley dude then grabbed my friend by the arm and started dragging them by force to the principals office, kicking and screaming the whole way because they were having flashbacks to former abuse. That friend had a bruise on their arm by the end of the day because of the manhandling from that fucking teacher. I brought them to the principal the next day and made a fuss until they removed that teacher from the school. But it was just paid leave for a while (basically a vacation) until they could wave their hands and say “we don’t have enough proof!” even tho there were multiple cameras in that hallway. Now imagine if corporal punishment was actually ALLOWED!? This kind of abuse is mainly going to be faced by kids with special needs, depression, anxiety, or literally anything going on that could give them a “bad attitude”. And it’s all just to make the teacher feel better, because I can tell you firsthand that “punishment” did nothing to actually HELP my friend. It just made us hate both of those teachers and anyone who would blindly take their side. Treat your kids with respect and personal agency, rather than like evil little slaves, and you WILL see results!! Students are HUMAN BEINGS first!

[@eelvis1674]

a chatter saying "you don't know how bad some kids can get" - " " Which is why we should beat them despite the fact that it doesn't work just to satisfy our frustration " " is peak not getting it lol

[@brutuslugo3969]

Chill , no one is talking bout beating kids , corporal punishment doesn’t just mean beating kids . There’s corporal punishment that doesn’t involve getting physical at all

[@hellboy6536]

​@@brutuslugo3969 like what?

[@brutuslugo3969]

@@hellboy6536 they were explained in the video , did you watch ?

[@hellboy6536]

@@brutuslugo3969 explained by the psychotic woman who want to beat kids explicitly? Tell me what types you are referring to.

[@littlemoth4956]

@@brutuslugo3969 They were not.

[@jeurycentury]

I was smacked a lot as a kid for my poor grades. It never helped me improve my grades. Later on, I was diagnosed with ADHD. You can't cure that with hits.

[@nataliethompson6248]

You’d be surprised how motivating it is for teens to be in the “teacher chair” though… it’s like a social/silly/fun thing lol

[@nathanmeagher7869]

It’s also an actual office chair and not some metal piece of shit and therefore is comfortable to sit in

[@mekannatarry1929]

An important fact to bring up. It isn't comfortable to be in class. Oh what an I saying that's lazy talk.

[@falloutsheppy8823]

I had a teacher that let kids take turns using a yoga ball instead of a chair during class, was pretty dope

[@trianglemoebius]

​@@nathanmeagher7869 I was in secondary school back when the "new open office" trend started, and they tried to integrate that into one of the classrooms. I'm pretty sure they were doing it just to hop on the current buzzword trend and get some good PR, but it really did work. It looked kind of like this: There were no set desks, instead a few couches and some beanbag chairs (each with writing desks) in various positions. They were all positioned to the teacher (who stood vaguely in the middle when not at their desk) could walk around and really engage with us during lectures. Even lectures, though, were more like conversations. The school brought in some guy who was apparently an expert (or at least pioneer) in this sort of thing, and he had a specific way of making the lesson *feel* like a conversation where we could all participate, while still getting the information across. There was also a period of us just doing worksheets, in which the guy would normally watch from his desk (this is when we'd collaborate if we needed help), and if he saw someone was having trouble he'd go sit next to them and talk them through it. To be clear here: I wasn't in special ed or anything - this was a normal 9th year (8th grade for Americans) history class. The process was far from perfect, likely due to it still being a fairly new concept. Either way, all our grades shot up, and misbehaviour dropped. I moved to America shortly after, so I don't know if they continued it, but I hope they did.

[@antonioscendrategattico2302]

@@trianglemoebius Damn, I'm jealous. Our school didn't have anything of the sort but my favorite kind of lessons were the ones that weren't structured traditionally. I remembered things a lot better when, for example, I was paired with others in a group to do some problem solving. But again, that ain't shit the tests show, so as far as the money people are concerned, that doesn't exist. School is a machine to produce graded tests in their eyes. And they sure as fuck don't have to worry about their tests *meaning* anything - they will get their paycheck regardless how how useful school has ACTUALLY been to kids or society at large.

[@yeezymcsleezy5464]

WITHOUT HAVING FINISHED THE VIDEO: There is something to be said about bad behaving kids wasting the teacher's energy while other students suffer for it. As someone who went through all 12+ years of schooling without their ADHD, anxiety or OCD being diagnosed, sitting catatonically, watching the floor breath while the teacher continuously forgot I existed had a lot of negative impacts on my entire school experience. There's a lot of factors here obviously, minimal compensation for teachers, bad systems punishment/reward, etc. But when everyone tells me that I'll eventually wish I could be back in school all I can think about is the prolonged anxiety attacks and Dull agony of being trapped in a place where no one cared about me because "my test scores say you should be doing great, you just aren't even trying." Well I'm not doing great, thanks for noticing once a semester, teach.

[@Rhodair]

yeah, so many schools have horrible student to teacher ratios (way too many students per teacher)

[@Priestofgoddess]

The problem is, there are far too few teachers. And also not every teacher is good at his job, but this will always be an issue. Good teachers are hard to find, even more as long the job stays so unappealing. Devious cycle.

[@label_me]

People are neither good nor evil when they're born they are merely animals with instinctual behaviors. Culture creates good and evil because they are imaginary concepts that we have used to roughly sketch out species survival tactics.

[@razrv3lc]

You won’t miss it. The people that say you will miss it are the ones that peaked in high school. I have been out of high school for a decade and I STILL am so happy I’m done with it. High school was the worst part of my life despite being a straight A student. I was the valedictorian of my class and I *still* hated every second of it lmao

[@DoritoBot9000]

Who the hell ever told you you would eventually miss school?? anything after it would better because you can choose what to do with your life

[@basedswain5880]

She has the energy of someone who if one kid messed up she’d keep the whole class in for 15 min of lunch

[@johnwalker1058]

A lot of teachers at my old elementary school were like that. One kid steps slightly out of line. Punish the whole goddamn class. 🙄

[@markburns2621]

That's supposed to force start peer pressure and embarrassment so they stop while also putting the rest of the class on notice to not be gremlins.

[@Alex-eg3rr]

Her problem is that she wants immediate answers to behavior problems. Behavior problems though are not fixed through immediate action they take time. Fear feels like an immediate fix.

[@albionmerrick]

My dad lit the library on fire for the fun back in the 60s. His stories make it sound like the most wild time in our history. Also, my cousins who are from Morocco, where they have corporal punishment. The kids have shut down the whole school and thrown furniture out the windows. It doesn't work!

[@sophiepooks2174]

Setting fire to a library what a champion for progress and a better society, another gold star citizen, totally not a little psycho.

[@iwannabeyahtzee8056]

When I was working as a teachers assistant I was grading papers and I saw that one of the worst behaved kids in the class got a 100. I was so excited to tell him how proud I was of him! Cause that's how you motivate a kid like that to get another good grade. And another and another and another 😁

[@IshtarNike]

Teachers do do this though. What we have is negativity and confirmation bias. This teachers BS aside, teachers DO spend 10x more time praising students. But if even 1 kid in the class doesn't care about that then you do need SOME sort of negative consequence.

[@NoOne-hg1qc]

@@IshtarNike sure but hitting kids and making them do bullshit busywork is probably not going to make them rethink their actions so much as be sneaky to avoid the consequences later and feel like the consequences are stupid and make no sense, don't you think?

[@jordanwood3150]

I can't speak for the US. However, I'm currently training to be a teacher in the UK and behaviour is definitely a major issue in education right now, especially post-lockdown. The issue isn't just with the children though. It certainly doesn't help that education and children's services over here are severely underfunded, staff get absolutely no support from senior leadership, and a lot of parents seem to not give a fuck.

[@Westlander857]

I think there’s also been a generational decrease in trust in our education systems and they’ve been consistently defunded and neglected over the past decades. As the quality of education and care decreases, generations lose more and more faith in education, and that lack of faith is reflected in their children’s behavior. Best of luck to you.

[@sorryoutlandish]

Yea I can def say the same with the US (I’m a student atm but plan to graduate with my BA in education next year) for pretty much the same reasons: lack of funding for resources, overpacked classrooms and understaffed teachers, lack of support from admin, massive work loads, and parents that either don’t give a fuck or think they know everything about the American public school just cuz they watched Fox News. While misbehavior can and has been used in a racially demeaning way (referring to inner city public school students), I don’t think that’s exactly what she’s referring to because these problems are across the board, not located in “certain regions.” Making it clear that this woman is a horrific teacher and I’m not defending her in any way but it kinda bothered me that Vaush is making a lot of assumptions but doesn’t seem to know a lot about the issue

[@jordanwood3150]

@@sorryoutlandish Yeah, I don't want to defend her either but it definitely bothered me that Vaush kept responding with "that's your job" whilst clearly lacking the knowledge of the challenges that teachers are facing.

[@4swordsluver]

I agree, I've actually enjoyed some of her less insane content but a lot of the points she touches on are valid and true. It's slightly the students, mostly on the higher ups not doing enough and letting A LOT slide. Everyday I see one student that wears skirts so short I see EVERYTHING, been complaining to the higher ups and they don't think it's a problem. Kids bring in energy drinks that arent safe for under 18's and the higher ups don't care. I work in a middle school.

[@trashpanda3544]

​@@4swordsluver I read a story on r/autisminwomen that was actually insane. This girl was explaining that there's a 20 year old autistic man who keeps exposing himself in front of minors. Except because he's one of the students (being held back for 3 years) and because he's autistic the school literally won't do anything because "he can't help it". And now it's causing all the students to hate the autistic kids and demand to be separated from them even though the other autistic kids are just normal fucking kids.

[@immaheadout4777]

My Dad who grew up in the good old days he always got into fist fights and skipped class and did drugs thankfully he grew out of it but stuff like that always happened. Conservatives always love reaching for the great mythical past that never existed.

[@stewblare2190]

my dad was like that too.

[@RageOfBeef]

Same idea as like "where did all the mass shootings come from, in my day they didn't happen" yeah step dad, you grew up in a "town" that was all of a 5 by 5 little block of houses, and had no internet and very limited national and international news, the problem was most definitely there, we know for a fact these problems have been here for a long time, the older generations just seem to assume because they lacked information growing up, that those things never happened

[@darlenegattus8190]

Lots of Conservatives would never advocate what she is suggesting.

[@gloomjesussecretaccount]

I went to an alternative school for high school because I was expelled for fighting and possession of drugs early in my freshman year. Being expelled ended up being the best thing that ever happened to me. I was put into small classes of no more than 8-10 students so we all got more 1 on 1 time and help from our teachers. Everything was work at your own pace so if I wanted to do the year's work in a month I could (which I did and I ended up graduating 2 years early because of it). We also had a point system where you got a point for each class you behaved in. After a certain amount of points you could listen to music while you work, next step was a 30-minute break mid-day where you could talk to friends or play chess in the break room, and the last reward was a 30-minute recess at the end of the day. If you didn't get a break or recess you had to work those 30 minutes and your points reset after every 9 weeks. I was supposed to go back to regular high school my sophomore year but I requested to stay in alt school because it worked so much better for me.

[@DarkBangle]

I feel like she either slept through her early childhood development class (and her classroom management class) or she spent the whole time rolling her eyes to the point that I'm surprised they didn't roll out of her head. She points out some real issues with the American school system, but all her "solutions" are things that we've tried that we know don't work. She is the type of person that made me leave teaching (that and the lack of support and pay). Ffs.

[@DarkBangle]

Also, when I taught middle school, the students that other teachers labeled the "problem kids" were my favorites. There was a student who refused to do any work in any class until I took the time to just talk to her. Not even about school things at first - I asked about her band t-shirt at first. A kid who almost accosted me? By the end of the year, he was the role model for the class. Because I talked to him and treated him like a human being and not a defective recitation machine. And the kid that no other teacher wanted in their class because he was "distracting" to the other students? He was in *my class* during the majority of the periods at his request. And I let him so long as he worked on the classwork for whatever class he was supposed to be in. Because the other teacher had given up on him while I found accommodations to help him succeed. And it was people like her that ran me out because I didn't fit into their cookie cutter idea of what a teacher should be. I'm not giving up though - I want to make that clear. I'm going back for a more advanced degree so that I can have the clout to *make* them listen to me, to make myself valuable enough they can't afford for me to leave. Only then can I start making good changes for the students.

[@afairyist9981]

💖💖💖💖💖

[@cet6507]

There are lower standards for her kind of religious private schools. I bet she was only allowed to sub at public schools via work experience exceptions. We need standardized testing for those subs to prevent this.

[@hatientacetlen4246]

I thing people who advocate corporal punishment should ask themselves. If I was having trouble at my job which would motivate me more? Being offered support or bonuses if they perform better or getting beaten by your manager if you arrive late.

[@sanitytheorist8221]

The biggest failure of the school system has been the lack of social support for people with social disabilities, in my experience. Researching topics on my own time was never difficult, but the high school solution to autism being the 'special ed' classes that are kneecapped to teach basically nothing and add to the social stigma are probably a massive reason why it's so damn hard to find employment if you're an autistic adult. It's been an uphill battle against that ostracization ever since, and it's always upsetting to me that this shit never seems to come up when public education is being scrutinized. The conditioning from how schooling was 'supposed to be' with neglect of the socialization is why I still find it hard to escape retail despite having two degrees, it's a truly shit system when self research via library is more effective intellectually and there's no true chance at social connections. There are legitimate criticisms to be made about schooling and this teacher seems like she'd continue the negative socialization cycle.

[@simonclover1954]

This lady has a video on special education basically saying that “being neurodivergent isn’t an excuse for bad behavior”. There was a comment on that video saying that they wouldn’t give kids accommodations and that these disorders were made up. Yikes. 😬

[@theuscivicsnerd7070]

Section 504 I'd say as someone with one was rarely enforced and as a minor you don't know you have these rights.

[@almeida1999]

I was diagnosed with high-functioning autism when I was in first grade. In my country high-functioning autistic kids aren't put in special ed, they go to the same classes as everyone else. If they had put me in special ed, I would never have made any friends or learned anything useful. Because I was given the chance to learn like everyone else, I discovered I was a mathematical genius and am now in college studying math, with hopes of one day becoming a college professor myself.

[@synthdriver8817]

The prison to pipeline thing makes a lot of sense when you factor in teachers like this who basically see schools as low security prisons made to keep charge of the degenerates while the parents work. God help any kids that got preyed on by that "teacher"

[@TheFlinchyDinosaur]

Growing up all my punishments were physical. Spankings, running laps til my legs were weak, doing pushups, and the worst one; doing pushups on my knuckles. I can still remember how carpet, concrete, and hardwood flooring feel when your entire body weight is put on your knuckles. Needless to say, I don't talk to my parents anymore

[@H0m0f1rST]

I study to become a teacher right now and literally all her takes about behavioral psychology go against everything i'm currently learning. Its all feels and vibes based off of something id expect some boomer in the 70s to think

[@t1nytim]

My wife is a teacher, so all my knowledge is secondhand from her, but this was definitely a difficult watch, to listen to her not seeming to understand what she is talking about.

[@ananousous]

"We have therapy at home"

[@L0RDK3Y]

Therapy at home:

[@deddrz2549]

It's wild to say that school have gotten more unruly when literally every delinquent stereotype is from the 80's lol

[@jtt8237]

No they 100% have. I experienced a noticeable difference pre and post lockdown. Really the main thing behind is that parents are overworked and don’t have as much time to be there for their kids + highly incompetent school administrators across the board. And a lack of consequences of course. We need to find some sort of method of discipline that isn’t a slap on the wrist but also isn’t just fucking arresting the kid and ruining their lives. As it is the same kids get into a fight, get suspended, come back and fight again. And to be completely honest the restorative circle stuff is just bullshit. Like yeah, force my friend with auditory epilepsy to acknowledge the feelings of the bitch who was trying to give her a seizure.

[@malum9478]

@@jtt8237 "no they 100% have" you have a source on that? and i'm not talking about post lockdown where disruptive behavior has emerged due to lack of socialization, i mean: where's the source that there's a general trend that of kids of the last ten years being more unruly than of kids in past?

[@Benjamino-lt8dh]

@@malum9478 there is none. Youth crime is lower then almost ever before.

[@kstar1489]

I disagree with Vaush, a lot of kids are naturally empathetic, they just sometimes don’t know the effects of their actions on others, because they are ignorant of it. That’s why teaching and raising them is important. Or because they don’t know how to regulate their emotions, their emotions make become so big the don’t about the impact on others and not think as rationally (that’s why it’s important to stay calm when a kid is upset, you want them to calm down for them to even understand what you’re talking about). It shouldn’t be surprising that kids are not exactly complicated thinkers. The don’t possess the same foresight or ability to think about multiple things at once that would impact decision making. But no, I don’t think most kids lack empathy.

[@ProudPlatypus]

Empathy is something that can be taught, most kids are very much capable of it from a very early age, it just take time and input from the people around them. Also yes, sometimes kids just do stuff without much forethought.

[@BlisaBLisa]

i think empathy and sympathy are natural things for most people, if you show a kid an animal being hurt they will very likely be upset, but kids are self-centered by nature, theres nothing wrong with that they are not fully developed humans its just the stage theyre at. a kid cant really see other people as their own people with their own lives and thoughts separate from him, like hell blame himself for his parents divorcing because he cant really comprehend that his parents are their own people who just had their own issues that had nothing to do with him. so they will naturally behave selfishly a lot of times

[@kstar1489]

@@BlisaBLisa I don’t think a lack of natural cognition means they are naturally unempathetic or don’t care about others. And it depends what age you are describing, because kids can see others as outside themselves from a young age. I just think Vaush is taking a needless pessimistic and perhaps downright wrong stance

[@BlisaBLisa]

@@kstar1489 yea i dont think most kids lack empathy, and kids are definetly capable of altruism they are just naurally more self centered through no fault of their own, i think even as a kid gets a little older and logically understands that other people have their own thoughts and lives they dont *really* see people that way, like as a kid u think of your parents as sort of all-knowing and its a while before it hits you that they are flawed people who can be wrong and make mistakes. i also think kids naturally tend to have less empathy than adults, not that they lack it just that having so little life experience and being generally very ignorant limits how much empathy someone can have.

[@Demonetization_Symbol]

I lacked empathy as a kid.

[@hollypop368]

My mom is a teacher, and yeah everyone always says “this generation is so much worse”, but there really is something to the behavior of kids being worse since Covid. I don’t think it’s a generational thing, it’s a Covid response thing. My mom has been teaching for almost 20 years and she has noticed significant differences with kids post Covid. They need extra help with regulation, among other things, but there are no resources for them so everyone is just in a loop of suffering.

[@mekannatarry1929]

A kid technically being grounded in their house for a lengthy period of time during an epidemic--in concept, of course; then you have the chance that the people they live with aren't the best, and some want to be surprised that they come back expressing signs of a stressful life.

[@BlisaBLisa]

i think there will always be new problems with every generation but i dont think its the new generation "being worse" than the old, there are things about the new generation that are improvements from the old and there are also new problems because the world changes with time (like covid happening), something about the current generation that I think is better than the older is kids tend to be more progressive/tolerant, u can especially see this w lgbt stuff lol the early 2000s were crazy homophobic and the way I see young kids today talk about lgbt stuff is like night and day from how it was when I was a kid, im 21 so its not a huge amount of time thats passed or anything either. i was in college by the time covid hit so idk how it affected highschoolers and kids, i imagine its a lot harder for them than it was for me.

[@davitdavid7165]

The fact that the bad teacher stereotype even exists should be an embarrassment to those in charge.

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

Why? Smart people know they can get a job that pays better, that treats them better, and that society respects. It really shouldn't be surprising that when teachers are treated as glorified babysitters, you don't get the best people becoming teachers.

[@mjolnirsoul9214]

@@jeffersonclippership2588 yeah.. that's why it should be an embarrassment to those in charge.. because the system they're in control of sucks ass

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

@@mjolnirsoul9214 it works fine for them which is the actual point of it

[@maxwellward8358]

I saw one of her videos and tried to watch it, it was so uncomfortable to listen to her talk abt how she'd rather hurt children than actually help them overcome their problems just bc it takes more work on her part

[@FelisImpurrator]

Conservative brain. They think like this, and then gaslight their kids by calling them lazy.

[@kstar1489]

Damn she’s straight up psychopathic

[@IshtarNike]

I've watched the videos. I'm against corporal punishment but you don't know anything about teaching if you think it's possible for a teacher to be a counsellor to even 5 students with serious behavioural issues then you have no clue about anything.

[@luciferkotsutempchannel]

@@IshtarNikeGood thing schools have someone specifically there to do that counseling.

[@Lastrit_JME]

@@IshtarNike I don't think they were saying the teacher needed to be like individually counseling every student, but as an educator they do also have a duty to the mental well being of their students. She clearly isn't doing enough to help them on that side

[@pottedplant1472]

This is seriously making me want to cry. My high behavior students are always the sweetest ones once you show them a little grace and empathy. They often come from difficult homes too. The thought that this woman is advocating for corporal punishment makes me sick. School should be a safe place for kids even if they misbehave. They HAVE to be there and they don't owe you good behavior. Respect is earned regardless of age. Bitch.

[@Advent3546]

This lady seems like the type who thinks being spanked as a kid didn't damage them when it clearly did

[@SleepyPossums]

I had a friend who was the “hardass” substitute teacher in a very rural, troubled middle school. They had 5-6th graders having sex in stairwells, violence, etc. He always used fear as his method for teaching bad students. You know, the “I’ll fucking whoop your ass if you do that again” type. Obviously I didn’t approve but I also didn’t know what to suggest otherwise. We’re not friends anymore… anyway! I got the impression that if anything was going to change at that school, a fundamental change would have to happen across the board. Individual teachers changing their behaviors wouldn’t be enough. People like this lady would just continue to punch students harder until somehow behavior improved. Culture at a school is incredibly important for behavior and she is stuck in the weeds only thinking of the issue and not the root of the problem.

[@nicolaim4275]

You have to define what you want to achieve before you can talk about what policies are good or bad. If you are teaching a troubled rural school and you have no resources to do good then just getting through the day might be what you structure your methods around. Your former friend didn't do anything that helped the kids, but that might not be what he tried to achieve.

[@SleepyPossums]

@@nicolaim4275 If the resources are limited I understand to a point, but that removes a lot of agency from the higher ups and school board who are apparently fine with having a school culture of beatings and fear. I would point most of the blame with them and work heavily on applying better options to troubled students.

[@nicolaim4275]

@@SleepyPossums The blame can be placed at all levels of the system. Politicians not funding properly, educational boards hiring bad principals, principals not caring and teachers just wanting to get their pay-check. At any level things fall apart if the people in control don't actually believe it is possible to help the kids.

[@lmitz]

I can't think of a single time in my life where I was disciplined by being hit, screamed at, made to write lines, etc. and have been like "wow I really learned my lesson." Usually it was more like "wow, this is fucking stupid I guess the system sucks" and I learned more so to not get caught.

[@mekannatarry1929]

Exactly; although I got the slave master's version where they explain why what I did was wrong while or after being beaten, so I'm wondering why I had to get beaten in the first place smh.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

My mind just went blank and focused on pain, fear, pain pain pain _no safety_ Anyways im traumatised!

[@agencymenace1090]

​@@elvingearmasterirma7241 we stan trauma dumping on strangers

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@@agencymenace1090 this thread is about trauma. And itd be truma dumping if I went into detail about it

[@littlemoth4956]

@@elvingearmasterirma7241 This thread isn't about trauma lol

[@hihi123hiful]

This lady absolutely sided with the bullies when she was a teacher. Calling it 100%

[@SH-bm8yp]

Even prisoners aren't allowed to be abused or beaten by guards, so why would it be OK for teachers to abuse or beat literal kids?

[@darlenegattus8190]

Exactly

[@TheBT]

The only thing I have a thing about is the 'rewards for people who stop doing bad things but not rewarding the kids who behave'. I was treated like shit at school (undiagnosed Autism/ADHD) and I actually needed support but got nothing and it made it even more isolating. Then I had the famous undiagnosed ADHD university drop out thing happen which is so common it's a cliché.

[@Romanticoutlaw]

I didn't even know that's a cliche and did it, god damn it

[@TheBT]

@@Romanticoutlaw Yeah, it's very prevalent in people who are 'twice exceptional', the term used for people who are gifted but also are neurodiverse or disabled. Despite gifted people being 2% of the population they make up 20% of high school drop outs in the US. Vaush is honestly a great example of someone who is probably 'twice exceptional' but because he got the support he flourished.

[@hatientacetlen4246]

Kids will always learn how to be manipulative. If the only power you exert is punishment they won't learn what is good and what is bad; They will only learn what gets them in trouble and not why and they will learn that authority is based entirely on who holds the stick.

[@IsaRican810]

The kind of approach that this woman wants is what leads to people conflating the legal, the ethical, and the moral. If it’s illegal (I.e. if there’s no punishment) then it must be good.

[@thatdarnskag5043]

The rollercoaster of finding out more and more about this teacher throughout the stream was... something.

[@nikkiziggy9660]

My mom retired early because of lax treatment of students at her school in SA. It wasn’t so much behaviorally, but academically. She was told to give passing grades to students who never turned in HW, who didn’t show up to class, who didn’t take tests, and she refused. When they kept pushing her she just decided she had enough and retired a little early. Because of our country’s failing academic scores comparatively world wide, schools just want to pump kids through without giving them any useful knowledge or life skills. It’s sad.

[@NoOne-hg1qc]

that's messed up and yes very true, public school is in a lot of ways a cattle-daycare facility :p

[@richardarriaga6271]

Yeah, passing along students who haven't learned anything doesn't do anyone any favors

[@almeida1999]

@@NoOne-hg1qc It's funny that american public school have that reputation. In my country it's the opposite, people think of private schools as "pay to win".

[@antonioscendrategattico2302]

Tbh I'm skeptical a lot of the testing even means anything. Sometimes the same result could be due to someone actively learning, sometimes it could be just reciting back something they'll forget the next day. And we don't have anyone tasked with distinguishing between the two and improving the way teaching is done. The people with the highest paychecks are always glorified fucking paper pushers who never have to actually prove that what they do has a positive impact on anyone. All the actual important work is left to the underpaid and overworked teachers, while the paper pushers just have to not rock the boat and they'll be set for life.

[@edward0383]

Yes, that's another horrible thing. We are teaching that you can still succeed by doing nothing.

[@audreyrhiannon]

You would be very surprised how many high schoolers would’ve been ecstatic to sit in my chair for 15 minutes lol

[@TheKiroshi]

What about the iPad, lack of recess, or whatever else? Genuine question, I have no idea what age range those things apply to these days.

[@jamjam6315]

Definitely, teachers always had the best chairs, especially compared to the stuff they gave students 😂

[@minami3823]

I wanna hear more from teachers that have been working for 10+ years. I've heard a lot of young teachers talk about how awful the kids are since covid and I'm wondering if it really has or they just didn't realize how difficult some kids can be or are at a school with a higher precentage of behaviorial problem students than where they grew up

[@RonnyDoplo]

I have taught before and after covid at the same place and behavior is definitely worse

[@dsa513]

It's not hearsay.

[@PicassoSensei]

Ive been teaching for the past 5 years. So I’m no veteran. But worsening behavior of students after lockdown is one of the major issues of discussion across education as a whole. New teachers, veteran teachers, administrators and school support staff mostly agree that this is an issue

[@zenbear9952]

Kids had a long time to sit around and watch Andrew Tate unsupervised.

[@wolfspade1646]

It's a good study to set up. But realistically, we see behavioral shifts in all manners of tragedies-WW1, WW2, Cuban Missile Crisis, etc. Swing dancing and more "jarring means of expression" was strongly influenced by the stress of the environment, for example. A Pandemic is an extreme trigger. I may be biased as a Biologist with a working minor in Psych, but a pandemic is a *big deal.* A lot of people just don't know how badly it's messed them up, but it'll catch up to them. Not sure I can blame them as much as see them as just another obvious pattern in this phenomenon.

[@RenoRedhead77]

I mean students really don't give a shit about whatever punishments are doled out, and holding students accountable is a huge challenge. But corporal punishment won't solve that problem. Not even remotely.

[@Demonetization_Symbol]

Students care about punishment.

[@darlenegattus8190]

Agreed

[@y0g_s0th0th]

At first I thought her channel was decent because teachers were getting blamed for everything wrong with education. Then I realized she's just crazy. I dont even think she was teaching for thag long. Maybe 2 years. I could be wrong, but students have always been bad. They were bad when i was growing up too.

[@cgillespie78]

You're 100% correct that the purpose of elementary school is teaching social and emotional skills, unfortunately behavioral development is a much smaller part of an education major than you may think

[@dmman33]

What’s the rest of it?

[@dakotamerriman872]

I actually really like the community service thing. If you've ever worked in a school (especially highschool) you realize that detention and even suspension don't really correct behavior. Having the student participate in the school community invests them in the quality of the school and gives them something to do besides sit in a chair for seven hours while someone talks at you.

[@mockingbird4346]

As someone who was poorly behaved in school, community service would do nothing to help most kids. You're not going to be able to build a connection to the "school community" with kids like how I was. It's as ineffective as ISS, which I would literally start fights to get into so I could nap if I was bored.

[@NoOne-hg1qc]

@@mockingbird4346 what do you think would help get to the root of the issue and have some consequences that teach you something?

[@dakotamerriman872]

@@mockingbird4346 You're right. When kids misbehave instead of trying to give them something constructive to do we should just make them face the wall.

[@RevolutionaryGuitar]

@@mockingbird4346 well we’re running out of solutions, honestly kids like you were really annoy me in class. If there’s no positive solution and negative solutions don’t work, well you’re hopeless. May as well drop out, end up homeless or in the prison system.

[@boonsaplenty3924]

​@@mockingbird4346 Do you have any actual reason why community service is markedly ineffective, beyond your gut feeling from your anecdotal experience? Not saying I disagree with, I want to hear your perspective bc it feels underdeveloped atm

[@predsdreads3179]

I wasn't at all surprised to see that her other channels are all ramblings of a crazy person.

[@guardianoftheledge4966]

In elementary school, teachers often wouldn't let me go to recess because I couldn't finish my work as quickly as was expected. Being singled out like that, despite trying my hardest, only taught me to feel less worthy than my peers, and to be anxious whenever I am given an assignment. I likely would have developed these thought patterns anyway. But they didn't have to make it worse. Idk if this counts as corporal punishment, as Vaush wondered in this video, but it does distress me to learn of my nephew being singled out in the same way today. Singling out students like this is why the ADHD cases of my class grew up to be socially dysfunctional. Punishment for things beyond our control only reinforces the idea that we don't belong with everyone else.

[@irvine5732]

My sister was held back a year in school in the fourth grade. She was then diagnosed with dyslexia....her 2nd year of college. The system so badly missed what was causing issues for her (my parents and the school system). All holding her back did was make her feel bad and instill extra self-doubt about her studies.

[@Luigi_Mario_1997]

I was there for the livestream, and once we found out that she is a Rapturist who believes in the plot of DOOM I just died laughing!