Did TAG Heuer & Ryan Gosling Get It Wrong With Their Carrera Watch In The Gray Man Movie?

Netflix's recent movie The Gray Man has been a big success thus far, but would it have been possible without TAG Heuer watches? How did this collaboration come about and why? Is their newest brand ambassador Ryan Gosling an asset or a detriment to the brand? Why was he chosen, and how does the movie compare to the already established espionage movie franchises like James Bond, Jack Ryan, Jason Bourne, and Mission Impossible? In this video I analyze the watch worn by Ryan Gosling as Sierra Six, the film's titular character-the TAG Heuer Carrera automatic date (ref. WBN2111.FC6505). I take a look at its positives and negatives, design, appearances within the film, and ultimately ask: is this watch a good match for the movie?
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[@Roberto68n]

In a world were many love to hate, it’s refreshing to see a video were Tag Heuer is very well presented and respected. I’ve always liked their timepieces, especially the 41mm Carrera Day Date with blue dial. Thanks for another outstanding video!!

[@theurbangentry]

Thank you Roberto, you are very kind. I could not agree more, too much hate in this world today, often from those who have never experienced the watch in question, in person, or have ever made a film a tenth as good, even if this was obviously not a masterpiece. Best regards, TGV

[@Ivan__77]

No hate, but huge disappointment. To me it feels like someone took one of the best and most amazing watch brands of all time and turned it into a dull and boring fashion brand, while all they need to do is what they did with Monaco, reissue amazing watches from the 70s and change nothing.

[@sinesaii]

I almost bought the gray dial one for $1750. I regret not pulling the trigger. I hate all this “in house” bs. I prefer the old 2824 models.

[@thenotanclan]

It’s a shame that Tag is largely ignored by watch enthusiasts - ok so they are on the pricey side but they’re very well made and nicely finished - personally the Carrera 3 hand 39mm is a grail watch for me and has been for decades - nice to see one of the 3 watch channels with the biggest followings take a look at a Tag :)

[@borassictime918]

For many enthusiasts the issue with TAG Heuer is not so much to do with the watches, but with the ‘TAG’ bit. Pre-TAG watches and re-releases without ‘TAG’ on the dial are much admired among enthusiasts. Heuer is the ‘better’ name, the part with the long history and post-war motor racing heritage. But then I presume the vast majority of TAG Heuer buyers are not core watch enthusiasts and talk about their “TAGs”, so the branding is the branding.

[@voivod6871]

I think the opposite is true compered to Omega and Breitling some watch snobs maybe think they are a slightly less premium brand because they have quite a few watches that cost £1500 or less.

[@jimjudy2489]

Mark, check out Certina's DS-4 Silver Dial Day Date, C022.430.16.031.00 Very similar look with ETA 2836-2 movement

[@thenotanclan]

@@jimjudy2489 I’m familiar with that watch - it’s very nice and Certina is underrated as a brand - however, the same could be said for the Tissot Gemtleman Powermatic 80 - a lot of watch for the money - I bought one as a substitute for the Tag (at around 1/4 the price) but you know what they say about substitutes - they never really scratch the itch do they?

[@TheCdM1981]

The reason why Tag is looked down upon by watch enthusiasts is because of 2 reasons. 1 they’re sold in dept stores like Macys and they feel it cheapens the brand. Even though Rolex was sold in Costco until a few years ago. 2. They primarily use ETA or Selitta movements instead of in house and feel they over charge for watches with some cheaper movements.

[@alexm2113]

While I too like the look of the chronograph version better myself, I really have to respect the fact they went with the three-hander. It's so rare these days to see a movie character wearing a classic looking watch and I think they did a perfect job with this casting.

[@theurbangentry]

YESSSSSSS!!!! You got it Alex, I could not agree more. Thank you my friend, Best regards, TGV

[@speedzero7478]

My first Tag Heuer was a three hand Autavia. I couldn't believe how quality the watch felt on wrist. People should give Tag Heuer a chance.

[@LouisMorales-zx3jm]

Tag Heuer is great. I own omega, 2 Rolex and few other brands including 2 Tag Heuers. My wife has a Tag, Rolex and Omega. We love watches and don’t Follow childish wannabe watch enthusiasts. I buy what I love to wear regardless of name

[@GeoffreyEduard]

I own and absolutely love my 41mm blue Tag Heuer Caliber 5 with date. Bought it when my son was born five years ago and it is still today dead accurate. Every time I meet a watchmaker they all point out what an underrated watch with superb price quality ratio it is.

[@Bhethar]

As an Italian, every time TGV speaks in my language I shout a “grandissimo!”🇮🇹✌️ Love the watch, but I wish they made it in a 36mm. That gorgeous dial and bracelet combination would have been such a cool classic understated capolavoro.

[@Fmf511]

Great content, very well presented. My first "Good" watch was a Tag 1000 I'd purchased in Hong Kong while stationed there in the late 80's. Tag has always had a special spot in my heart.

[@cheapaudioman]

Dude. Your videos are absolutely flawless. Sublime. Well done.

[@Brown2099]

What an incredible overview and analysis of not just the Tag watch but also cinema. Very impressive video, you should be proud!

[@patyellowbear9928]

I've bought this Carrera 39mm blue dial last friday. It is my first Swiss automatic and first "luxury watch" I'm a big fan of motorsport and I was interested in wrist watches since I was a kid. Im watching you for few years now and I learned a lot from your channel. Thank You so much.

[@Number_006]

Thanks TGV for your first rate content ... I always give a silent "woo hoo!" when I see that you've posted a new vid. 👏🏼

[@theurbangentry]

Thank you my friend, you are an absolute gent! You made my evening. Bes tregards, TGV

[@peterlovell9869]

Great channel, with extremely funny intros thrown in, I just bought a watch off the back of one of your reviews recently, keep up the great work.

[@SamrayGTR]

Oh man, thank you for reviewing this one! I think TAG Heuer is going in a good direction recently. The red dial Carrera Chronograph looks excellent and hope you can get your hands on that!

[@fubaralakbar6800]

I remember seeing Tag Heuers in the Service Merchandise catalog when I was a kid (do the math, kiddies), and feeling absolutely hopeless at their $300 to 400 price tags, which would be pretty moderate now. Those things are freaking beautiful.

[@ShawnSchulz]

In the store they were right by the cologne where I bought my first bottle of Polo. Couldn't afford the Tag, but could wear some Polo cologne.

[@jakewoods7546]

Chris Evans' Hamilton Boulton in this movie was pretty sick as well! My father in-law has this same Tag Heuer Carrera. Awesome work as always TGV!

[@jordandaniele3710]

TGV, You've outdone yourself with this masterpiece of a video! Your film and show references, video editing, and narrative is just perfect! 👌 Big love from Perth, Western Australia.

[@theurbangentry]

Thank you so much Jordan, that means the world to me. Best regards, TGV

[@thedoctor007dfw]

I have had my TAG Heuer F1 Chronograph with blue dial for 4 years now. It's on a lovely Gulf Racing Nato strap and it never fails to make me feel great wearing it

[@diyounes]

Thank you for making my coffee moment this morning so pleasant 😊! Great work as usual 👍

[@simonelliott5956]

Really enjoyable video, high production values and a great review of both movie and watch. Many thanks

[@spankyharland9845]

thank you for making me into a proper gentleman when it comes to choosing the correct watch with the correct wardrobe during the correct activities....no more watch conflicts in my life.

[@TheCcmarine]

I love how you showcase the many great timepieces in cinema. Also I find it refreshing that you talk about older movies and actors who weren’t from this whole “Tiktok Era”. Great video even if I am s lot late to the party. thanks

[@davidtrachtenberg7095]

Just bought my second strap from Holben’s. Great selection and they have a large collection of shorter bands for those of us with smaller wrists.

[@Joe-xo3xy]

Hey TGV, hope ur keeping well? very tasteful work, thanks for the content.

[@Ishabu7]

Thank you TGV for such an interesting watch/film review!! Very interesting Tag with a slightly high price tag. But, I still find it is a very interesting piece with an interesting and unique style! Stay healthy and well as always!! P.S, I love the Hugo intro!! (Nicholas) 🦖🦖🦖⏱⏱⏱👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@joeshaves1633]

As always TGV. A great video. Thanks so much.

[@amankozha9778]

Nice City Views in the beginning!!! Thanks for the video!

[@LouisMorales-zx3jm]

Really nice piece. Tag Heuer continues to do well. Glad to see them get well deserved recognition

[@LouisMorales-zx3jm]

Tag Heuer is great history, major contributions to horology and they have ICONS. Many watch companies wish they had. I own omega, 2 Rolex and few other brands including 2 Tag Heuers. My wife has a Tag, Rolex and Omega. We love watches and don’t Follow childish wannabe watch enthusiasts. I buy what I love to wear regardless of name

[@WatchMeEDC]

To me it’s an odd choice for a character like “6” but I’m glad to see Tag Heuer getting some love. My first mechanical automatic “real” watch was a Tag Professional 2000 so I’ll always have a soft spot for them. I don’t think any mechanical watch would have survived the first seven minutes of the movie honestly… but hey Hollywood 😉

[@thomashavercamp1906]

Love the New Retro Wave intro music! As an 80's baby, it is very nostalgic.

[@indianasunsets5738]

I like its style, subtle and understated. I like the 6 o'clock date position too. Great vid, TGV.

[@theurbangentry]

👏👏👏 Hear hear, Thank you my friend, Best regards, TGV

[@edteach3r]

I am unashamedly a (TAG) Heuer fanboy, and have been since 1968. Thank you for another excellent video, Tristano.

[@77cjam]

I really like the look of the watch (albeit it looks surprisingly similar to my original dressy Seiko 5 I have on a leather strap, with the exception of the date). I've not seen the movie but I do agree from what you said about it, it seems like the chronograph would perhaps have been a bit of a better suited choice. However as I always say where what you want when you want it's your wrist! Great video about the watch and good mini review of the movie. Much appreciated as always sir 👍

[@mieszkogulinski168]

That sunburst metal dial looks insanely great and stylish :)

[@darrenbuckley7852]

just purchased the Tag carrera with the black dial, stunning looking everyday watch and not too flash.

[@dalsirohlik4979]

I love this wristwatch match, especialy with that silver dial It definitely pops up. It reminds me of Oris which was in film Constantine and John Wicks Bucherer, these dressier watches on action heroes are quite cool.

[@gary2632]

Perfect pre gym,happy place video. Thank you sir. 🙏

[@simtye88]

Love the brand. My first watch, a gift, was a tag formula 1 alarm from 2006 ish. Still have it. Great video tgv! Thanks for information!

[@SoCalWatchReviews]

Another great production brother 👏

[@WTDProductions]

Love these watches in movies videos! Gosling is always great fun to see what he chooses to wear in his films and personal life (both wardrobe and watches)

[@blipjockey3100]

Very interesting review, as usual. I did love the movie but with all the non-stop action didn't notice the watch. I guess I'll just have to watch it again. I purchased a TAG F1 GMT, the Batman version, after your review of one a few years ago. Very happy with the brand.

[@benrideout9583]

I recently bought the 2023 carrera day/date 41mm with the blue dial and blue strap. Love it

[@dunderhay9169]

Interesting video, nice watch and brilliant intro, great to have Hugo back 😎

[@jjjfffppp]

Great video TGV! Very interesting and unexpected as always. It's honestly not fair the way you dunk on every other watch channel.

[@RCR9897]

What watch would be a better deal for the price? Thanks for the recommendations in advance

[@freshramses]

Great review! Love the „IL CONFORMISTA“ poster in the back!

[@ExpeditedProductions]

Thanks much, TGV!!! I'll watch it as soon as I get on the ground!

[@theurbangentry]

Safe flying my friend, thank you, O&U! Best regards, TGV

[@lawrenceh7182]

You forget to mention the Hamilton American Classic Boulton worn by Chris Evans, which for me was perfectly chosen considering his all round attire. A film I personally really enjoyed. A bit of a throwback to the 90’s action film which had me laughing quite a few times too!

[@unixnerd23]

That Carrera has the same problem as my lovely 39mm Certina DS-4 small seconds. 39mm is fine, but the thin bezel makes the dial look oversize and makes the watch feel much larger than it really is. I prefer a smaller watch, 38mm so I should be fine with a 39. But when the dial is so large it feels like going up a scale.

[@theurbangentry]

Great observation, I could not figure it out but you hit the nail on the head. Thank you, spot on! Best regards, TGV

[@heikowallauer]

Good morning TGV! I personally haven't seen The Gray Man yet, but I can't help but notice that Ryan Gosling has exceptionally good taste in wristwatches. And TAG Heuer has been doing a lot right again in recent years :-) Especially with the return to history and the classic models, TAG Heuer is stepping out of the shadow of the almighty Monaco. I find the Carrera line in particular very appealing and classy. Of course you are right, there is strong competition with Tudor and the BB36, although I almost consider the Carrera to be the better watch for all occasions. Best regards!

[@teamphys]

Just a question: Im looking at buying either: 39mm version or 41mm Twin-time but Im on the fence. Its my first 'luxury watch' so thats why I'm going for a day use yet classic design. The 39mm is £500 cheaper but is it too small? The 41mm equivalent has the date window at 3pm and I dont like that but the twin-time version is £500 but with the date window at 6 (like the 39mm). Will I really notice the difference between 39 and 41 enthuse very similar Carreras?

[@zozangzozang4073]

I've loved TAG Heuer since I first got to handle and try on my Dad's Carrera GMT (and older model of the wbn201A) Never quite understood the stigma against the brand, especially when they have such amazing designs as the Monaco.

[@zman8340]

I think it’s perfect and it one of the few tags I’ve thought of adding over the years .

[@Xandil]

I received a Carrera Chronograph with the blue dial and steel bracelet as a gift from my wife in March. It has the Heuer 02 movement. I love the watch and think it's a good value given the quality and beauty. I know of the hate TAG receives from the watch collectors but I don't care about status among watch snobs. I have watches ranging from the simple (but great) Seiko 5 automatic to a Kermit Submariner, but love wearing the TAG Chronograph. The blue dial and complications are just fun to admire during the day.

[@michaelpoplawski2998]

You have made me love my sole Tag even more.

[@peakrider4886]

Excellent video as always TGV. I’ve seen The Grey Man and thought it was very good, very high octane action, I was exhausted by the end of it! Loving the Carrera, but I’m in the look out for something with a smaller case size. What are your thoughts on Christopher Ward? I’ve seen they are releasing a 36mm version of the Sealander which looks an excellent buy.

[@frankbruno7122]

You truly entertain and inform.. Well done! I think Rex has an attitude though! Frank in Colorado

[@everydaypatriot1083]

I must admit my attraction to the Carrera. The black dial chronograph is appealing, especially in a 38mm.

[@Phil5150Bower]

Lethal Weapon, Die Hard and Cobra also had the leading stars wearing their great watches. I’m personally interested in either the reissue night diver or the gmt, may go Tudor who knows. Great video as usual TGV 🤙🏻

[@theurbangentry]

Thank you Phil, great idea, LOVE those movies too. Best regards, TGV

[@20thcenturyboy85]

Thank you for covering Tag. A balanced design. Great watch. Yes, it should be a bit lower in price to get more enthusiasts into their brand. I wish they could do more editions of the old Heuer models as they are such classics of design.

[@geno816]

My first watch was the carrera sport chronograph 160 LE. It's kinda big (44mm). but it fits me well. Wish they made one in 40-42mm

[@markikn3183]

Hey TGV, a weird one for you. I happened to watchspot Michael Douglas in Falling Down. Check the Fast Food Breakfast scene (when he arrives 1 min late), he's wearing a Lorus.

[@theurbangentry]

LOVE that movie!!!!! Deffo going to buy it on blur-ray so I can check it out again. Thank you, Best regards, TGV

[@Kristof_Kertesz]

1:10 Best T-Rex sound! 🤘🏻

[@thisisbradleyt]

This video helped me and affirmed my decision to pull the trigger on the Carrera Date :D

[@mackledee]

I owned the day-date version of this watch some years ago. If it wasn't for the size (41mm), it would still be on my wrist today. Finishing was superb. Design was clean, classic, and sporty. I think the 39mm size is better, but TGV, I agree, a 36mm would be a capolavoro! ;) Love that TAG Heuer is getting some respect again. Great brand even if it had some years in the wilderness.

[@uhrologe2596]

Few weeks ago I came across with the TAG HEUER Carrera in the Bucherer store in Berlin. The funny coincident: On the way to bucherer I passed the "Zoo Palast" Theater where where hundrets fans waited at the red carpet for Ryan Gosling for the premier of "Grey Man". Till this monent I didn't know anything about the movie. Back to the watch: I saw the Carrera live and wow...what an elegant yet sporty and dynamic looking design and individual look. I was so impressed to see such a watch in a world hommages of hommages of hommages. I think this brand deserves much more respect.

[@lloydkerr]

Might have to check this movie out since there is a character named Lloyd 😁 I'm glad you are still doing the Watches in Cinema videos. If you haven't seen it already, the movie Sahara with Matthew McConaughey would be a great way into Doxa. 😉

[@coryames1170]

I've slacked on the channel recently. But I'm glad to see you and Hugo are still getting along so well Tristano 🤣. Great video as always.

[@theurbangentry]

Cory always great to see you in the comments, welcome back! I hope this finds you well, thank you for the support my friend. Best regards, TGV

[@coryames1170]

@@theurbangentry suggestion for a future video: G shocks in movies maybe? I know that they are not as obscure as some other brands in movies but hey we all love a good G Shock.

[@gaidinkamei8462]

I've seen the doppelganger of that watch from the Seiko 5 line.

[@cjammer18]

Love the video! Quality!

[@thomashennessy2567]

Another great review and a great watch but personally I prefer the Tag Leo wore in Wolf of Wall Street but this isn’t a movie watch suggestion but TGV please review the ZRC grand fonds 300 dive watch

[@Zotrax1946]

Always a delight.,thanks 😊

[@bronco1199]

Love this piece, and this piece by you 😉. I am getting this as my dress watch. Gosselin is the king of cool, he made this for me. I love everything about it.

[@YJMusic72]

Nice review! I own the previous Calibre 5 39mm, with the date at 3 and I have to say it's an extremely versatile watch: elegant, yet sporty, very well built, beautifully finished and just the right size. The perfect watch, whether you are an assassin or have a boring life like I do.😄

[@Rudyjosephjr]

Yup its nice. Im using 39mm with date at 6pm. Its perfect.

[@randallhill7979]

Great video, it’s a good looking timepiece. Thanks 👍

[@jimjudy2489]

Great Review! I think there are better options for the frugal watch collector. I have a Certina DS-4 Day-Date, ETA 2836-2 movement, silver dial with polished faceted hands and indices, black leather band, deployant clasp. VERY similar to Gosling's dressy TAG in the movie but at a fraction of the price but IMO just as good.

[@Watches_Anonymous]

TGV, can you tell me old chap, what colour is your Nizza strap on the DH? The linked strap looks lighter and the stitching is also a different colour.

[@theurbangentry]

Of course! The strap is the same as in the link, my camera just made it look darker, it is a little light in real life. I hope that helps. Thank you, Best regards, TGV

[@ronan3607]

Ahoy hoy from the correct side of the pond, 😉. I am new to your channel and I am slowly working through the back catalogue. I absolutely loving the positive and informative shows covering every budget..and without the usual watch snobbery! Ive been lucky enough to own some very nice watches over the years, that have included 10s of Tags, but now I want to slim down my watch collection to 3 or 4 watches I will keep forever. And I want Tag to be one of them. So which one should I buy? Best and worst Tags? Best decade for Tag? You may already have that video about this so I will deep dive. Many thanks. Peace.

[@low87dawg86]

I looked at that exact model with silver face and gator strap. It’s a beauty.

[@tommybrxb]

Really enjoyed this TGV, thank you. I have the Tag ‘Bourne’ and can vouch for it’s quality and ruggedness… and possibly the best bracelet ever engineered. I went to see Bullet Train last night and it might be worth your consideration for a ‘Watches In The Movies’ in the future… Breitling, Rolex and Cartier!! As a side note, have you noticed what a Breitling devotee Jerry Seinfeld is? Keep up the great work! Onwards..

[@bobbyglass7214]

I love the Tag Heuer brand. My wife bought me the Carrera Chronograph (blue dial) to go with my small collection of two professional 1000 and my Monza. I just like them and you can find second hand Tags/Heuer at even better savings. The carrera is my first new one and I love it as well as the others. One day hope to get the Monaco blue dial or red? Maybe purple. They make it hard to decide ……. GREAT video by the way and I love the NATO strap items especially the color combo you showed. How can we get it!!!

[@theurbangentry]

Thank you so much Bobby. Your wife has good taste! Enjoy your beautiful Tags, great choices btw. As for the strap, link in description on the video. Best regards, TGV

[@Javi_C]

As always, thanks for the video

[@dannyg6592]

I watched The Gray Man and enjoyed it, despite it receiving some fairly bad reviews. Ana de Armas is a pleasure to watch. Gosling did a fine job in this movie.

[@Jekpay]

Agree with you on the typical movie flow nowadays. And yes, kept me entertained with all the action. Was reading an article about Chris Evan's watch in this movie, i think its a hamilton dress watch. Loving how he portrays his character better on that watch compared to how Ryan Gosling kinda wearing a "less spy-ish" watch.

[@oOoScarecrow31oOo]

I really enjoy this movie: IMHO, it didn't get the success it deserves: Great Ryan Gosling performance, unusual Chis Evans character, and Amazing Ana de Armas (like in the Bond movie). Now, I'm always hitting on pause to check the watches in any movie: I just can't help it. where is that coming from ?! 😏

[@michealhoulihan513]

As usual very entertaining and enjoyable, Side note on heuer. It was a favorite of James Garner and he wore his personal one on all of the Rockford files episodes .i have a heuer in my Collection and it was my first high end watch that i bought. Thanks again for a great show.

[@theurbangentry]

Deffo will look into it, thank you Michael, Best regards, TGV

[@07DSMTSI]

This a great looking watch although it does remind me of the King Seiko and for my small wrist and personal taste, I'd rather go for the KS. Great video.

[@ralphus555]

Hugo is just hysterical...

[@farshidrahmani6262]

Tag amount watch enthusiasts is like Maserati with car collectors. Everyone knows about it, but no one really owns one. Great video as usual. I’m gonna watch that movie 👍🏼 Cheers 🥂

[@LouisMorales-zx3jm]

Over 1 million watch Tag Heuer watch buyers per year would disagree.

[@ironfoxmind]

That intro is the best intro on youtube

[@bignz721]

The TH Autavia diver is the best looking watch out there, especially in person

[@ztienapm]

this looks a lot like my recently purchased Union Glashutte Viro, except for the monochromatic dial. the viro has a 2892 and costs 1/3 the price.

[@theurbangentry]

You have great taste. Thank you, Best regards, TGV

[@joeweil8484]

Not quite in the same genre for either movies or watches as The Gray Man/Tag Heuer, but Paterson by Jim Jarmusch does feature a Casio Easy Reader MTP1130A-7B, I believe. This watch is the antithesis of the Casio aesthetic which may have been why it was chosen. It is also complements Adam Driver's character, a former war vet who drives a bus and writes poetry.

[@willkeast8284]

Really nice to see a Tag.

[@THEMADWATCHCOLLECTOR]

Right ! The wife and I have movie night sorted this weekend! For me I feel Tag has done too much damage on their image / marketing / smart watch etc for me to ever buy a new one. The vintage Chronos are beautiful . This watch , despite being on the wrist of Goslin won’t sell well will it?!?! The competition at the price is crazy. Think it will take them another decade coming out with classic non formula 1 racing divers for me to ever consider one T.

[@rikkidee]

Loving your cinema reviews with the emphasis on watches worn. So kudos to you TGV. As always kind regards from Australia, Rikki

[@theurbangentry]

Thank you Rikki, that means the world to me. 🥂😉🙏🦖 Best regards, TGV

[@hopelives7469]

An eye catching reflective silver dial with slim hands is possibly the most likely watch to give away an assasin's whereabouts to a mark while being the most difficult to read the time in a pinch. So probably wouldn't be my first choice. But nice looking watch!

[@ogdon2009]

I love your channel. Would you consider making a video on your thoughts about Stuhrling watches? They have been a bestseller for years on Amazon here in the US. However, there’s not a single professional opinion video on them on KZbin.

[@ArniesTech]

Every time Hugo pronounces "Huu-Mon" I cant help myself 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@theurbangentry]

🤣🤣🤣 Thank you, Best regards, TGV

[@andywilson3761]

Lovely watch. Top video TGV. God love Hugo! 🦖

[@mitchaelhollingsworth1698]

honestly this carrera doesnt look that different than the king seiko 1960s styled 140th anniversary watch. both look really nice, fairly simple dial, good proportions and really nice polishing.

[@theurbangentry]

YESSSSSS!!! so true, even the lugs. Well observed. Outstanding comment. Thank you Mitchael, Best regards, TGV

[@THX-C]

I thought the same thing.