Did the Dreamcast 2 Actually Exist?

[@TynologyGaming]

What aspects between the Dreamcast and Xbox makes you believe (or not) that the Xbox is essentially the Dreamcast 2? Also let's go ahead and pretend that the Xbox Live Microphone Adapter never existed, okay? 👌 Be sure to also follow @pixelperfectbytynology for new podcast episodes!

[@danielhayes3607]

Bill gates. Nokia. Do I need to say more?

[@samuelg7673]

That people will gaslight others if they love their fan theories enough.

[@litjellyfish]

@@samuelg7673hahaahaa so true.

[@vitorrodrigues5735]

xbx = n64-2

[@TUMSEKUDAH6ONE]

Dkdkds

[@thejag4161]

This video is a bit inaccurate. Take it from someone who was far too invested in online gaming news in the late 90s/early 2000s. Shenmue 2 was never released in North America on the Dreamcast and became a North American Xbox exclusive. Spikeout: Battle Street, Otogi 1 and Otogi 2 were also Xbox exclusives. PSO was a fairly big game that was on Xbox/GC but not the Playstation 2. Iron Phoenix is a forgotten but fun online arena fighter that was also exclusive to Xbox. Rent a Hero was only on Xbox but as a Japan exclusive. I don't understand why that was never localized on any console. The Dreamcast ace in the hole was it's online service. Sega was pushing online as it's main system seller... Sega Net was even an ISP owned by Sega. Many Dreamcast owners bought the console to play games online. That chunk of players naturally switched to Xbox because Microsoft was also pushing Xbox Live and online gaming while GC/PS2 barely had online plans. The Sega games that came to PS2 the first were bad ports of arcade games done by Acclaim (Crazy Taxi, 18 Wheeler). Then Sega did a good amount of Saturn and Genesis rereleases on the PS2 of Virtual Cop, Nights and a bunch of games we never got over in North America... even the Seaman sequel was Japan exclusive. So I think if those games weren't Japan exclusive and we actually got them in the west the sentiment would of been different. But as someone from North America. Looking at what we actually got, the focus on online, the focus on couch multiplayer with the 4 ports, and even the design of the controller. The Xbox at that time really felt like the Dreamcast 2.0, and that was the main sentiment online at that time. Even a game like Microsoft's own Phantom Dust from Panzer Dragoon creator felt like a spiritual Dreamcast game. And I think you have to look how popular Dead or Alive became on Xbox. It sold best, and had multiple exclusives on Xbox and DOA2 was a big deal on the Dreamcast back in the day. Another good example is Project Gotham Racer. PGR became fairly important for the OG Xbox and Metropolis Street Racer the first release in the franchise was a hyped game for the Dreamcast. Again... I think it's harder to look back on and see why people call the Xbox the Dreamcast 2.0. But if you owned a Dreamcast back then, and were aware of the gaming news... you fully understand why the Xbox was seen as the Dreamcast 2.0.

[@TynologyGaming]

This has a lot of great information in it. I bought both my DC and Xbox on day 1 of their releases and played both online as soon as the services were available. I appreciate the corrections for exclusives (don’t know how I missed Shenmue II, it’s in my notes haha). At the time it felt like a good progression for fans of the Dreamcast like me. I’ve seen so much misconception about Windows CE and Chihiro and thinking Sega was involved in the hardware development of the Xbox, etc etc. I wanted to make a light & fun video to correct some of the discourse I keep seeing go around lately.

[@thejag4161]

@TynologyGaming lol do you remember there was that rumor going around that Microsoft wanted to essentially put the Dreamcast guts in the Xbox so it couldplay Dreamcast games... But that never made any sense to me... and I never believed it. I do miss the Dreamcast man. My favorite system, have so many memories with my friends from back then. And I even met people online that I still play online with to this day.

[@TynologyGaming]

@@thejag4161 yesss haha, so many schoolyard rumors that spread 😂 that’s so awesome! I played a lot online but mostly with existing school friends. The Dreamcast was the best, truly 🙌

[@onetwo6039]

Exactly. This is why I'm primarily an Xbox fan. Dreamcast was the first console I bought with my own money and when it was sadly discontinued, Xbox felt like an easy smooth natural transition where the Dreamcast left off.

[@onetwo6039]

@Jlacker Since we're talking about the OG Xbox here, then no Microsoft didn't either.

[@waverazor]

I used the DC microphone to trash talk Fred durst

[@TynologyGaming]

I NEED TO KNOW MORE

[@juststatedtheobvious9633]

Sega's consoles were more than just a collection of Sega titles. They were also where you'd find oddball Western titles and the best music playback. And raw horsepower that could outperform every other console when they were released. Look at the PS2's smooth, low detail, textures and skipped frames. What about that says Sega to you?

[@TynologyGaming]

Honestly I was not a fan of PS2 when it came out, so I got an Xbox haha

[@Animated__Freak]

The design of the xbox controller is kind of a fusion between the Dreamcast and Sidewinder controllers that Microsoft made in the mid to later 90s. People usually forget about those controllers but they have a pretty similar black design to what the original xbox would have, they even both feature a terrible d-pad! Wish they would've taken the d-pad from the dreamcast instead.

[@TynologyGaming]

I actually cut out a bit part of this video about the Sidwinder! I had one in the 90s, but it was the ACBXYZ 6 button that mimicked the Saturn 😂 I cut it because I focused on the 4 button ABXY layout which actually came out right before the Xbox (clearly they knew what was coming) - that was a whole rabbit hole I didn’t expect to get sucked into haha

[@Animated__Freak]

@@TynologyGaming Well it wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft had a hard time deciding if they where going to include a 6 button layout or not. I think the small black and white buttons they added might have been a compromise. I do agree with you that the xbox is not a "Dreamcast 2" and I think the two consoles have a very different vibes.

[@TheSliderW]

One of the third party controllers for the xbox had a vmu type screen on it ;)

[@TynologyGaming]

Do you remember what it was called? I worked at EB Games for a few years during the Xbox and don't have any recollection of a device like that

[@TheSliderW]

@@TynologyGaming Sure, the Gamester "FPS master controller" from circa 2003. I think I still have one somewhere in the garage. X ) Here is a video from retro gametech : kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJewgqSemZyZhpo

[@TheSliderW]

I tried looking for more information online and barely got anything. Maybe I should do a teardown of that controller to see how they got the LCD in there, maybe it's a daughter-board of some sorts and internally plugged into the top slot, which would be an interesting idea. : )

[@TheSliderW]

I started taking it apart, well, unscrewing it for now. It's a nightmare of various screw lengths at various angles. The case is made of about a dozen parts that fit together like a puzzle. I don't want to break any tabs but I fear the way to disassemble it will require some sacrifices. I'll take pictures and make a short video as I proceed to document the process.

[@epicon6]

It is though. It doesn’t take a genious to figure out that the Xbox isn’t a Sega console and it makes no difference how many more Sega games are on the PS2. The whole Xbox is a spiritual successor is just that. When the DC went away the Xbox literally took it’s place and had the same controller layout. It’s enough to satisfy Dreamcast fans. It has literally nothing to do with was hardware was used or what deals had been made because by the way today a high end Windows PC with an Xbox controller is the current Dreamcast because it feels pretty much the same if Sega made a more powerful gaming system than the PS5/Series X. So the whole something something is the Dreamcast 2 or 3 isn’t about techinal facts but all about keeping the Dreamcast alive through what replaced it in the timeline and took enough inspiration from the DC controller so it’s familiar.

[@TynologyGaming]

Yeah this was more of a commentary on everything I see online about literally claiming a connection, and a rebuttal to that. As a massive DC fan that jumped to Xbox day 1, they were smart to pull from that fanbase

[@epicon6]

@@TynologyGaming Yeah ❤️

[@JaggedMercenary]

What the actual fuck? First time in 20 years that I hear somebody saying that the Xbox was supposed to be a Dreamcast 2. Is it a new joke between GenZ people or something?

[@samuelg7673]

Maybe if you smoke meth

[@epicon6]

@@JaggedMercenary No one said it was supposed to be a Dreamcast 2 or is secrectly a Dreamcast 2. Dreamcast fandom has just been making connections between the two because we like to think there’s some legacy alive from that because it was the most awesome console ever released.

[@williamoverton7775]

jet set radio was not just exclusive it was the pack in.

[@TynologyGaming]

That was later on (the SegaGT 2002/JSRF bundle). I worked at EB when that came out in late 2002.

[@califaern3sto]

Bud. You're confusing the jet set radio future and sega gt 2002 bundle for xbox.

[@williamoverton7775]

@@califaern3sto I guess that's the one I got . but the discussion was why isn't the xbox the dreamcast 2. it is the closest thing on the market to one. although segas F-Zero on Gamecube is what it's all about. did sega pack in with other brands? or bundle?

[@samuelg7673]

These fans are batshit insane and have some of the biggest reaches

[@TynologyGaming]

🤣

[@spyczech]

Them both being windows based was always enough for me, I mean its obviously meant as a collequialism that its Dreamcast 2 not a literal statement of fact

[@TynologyGaming]

The Dreamcast wasn’t Windows based. Sega developed the bios and the OS. The second half of the video explains this misconception in detail including quotes from the developers

[@spyczech]

@@TynologyGaming Did the windows me sticker just mean it could run windows? I thought that it used it for the OS could be wrong

[@TynologyGaming]

@@spyczech I touch on it in the video, but Sega went with their own OS for the DC. They had a partnership with the Windows CE team where games could be developed using the CE SDK and work on Dreamcast, but the entire CE OS had to be included on every game disc to actually run the games. This is why the DC says "Compatible with Windows CE" when the initial plan was to have the DC use a Windows CE OS, but it didn't pan out

[@litjellyfish]

@@TynologyGamingI can’t remember now. But I am not sure it even was the full windows CE. We checked it out when we got our DC dev kits. If I am not mistaken it was more som kind of bootstrapped wrapper / loader. So basically you could run windows CE on your PC write it using windows CE version of Direct X and the build it out to DC with the special DC toolchain and then it would run ok DC the same as on the PC (more or less - some platforms specific tweaks was needed) So in some sense the windowsCE was more or less marketing bullshit. It was more a DirectX to PVR wrapper and then support to compile the code to SH4 where some of the “windowCE>DC libs was already built. Might be wrong but that is how I remember it

[@Robert-nl3fd]

The Dreamcast was NOT running on Windows CE. The majority of Sega's games were ran on Shinobi, Kamui(Naomi) & Ninja APIS, all custom tailored for the Dreamcast SH-4 & Power VR graphics. Notice that Marvel VS Capcom 2 can't be emulated easily, because it ran on Naomi hardware. I could tell that all of Segas games were COMPLETELY different from their Dreamcast counterparts...they just had their likeness.

[@TynologyGaming]

Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video 😂 @3:24

[@XVa-uj8m]

Only RE2 and I think RE3 used Windows CE on the DC and maybe I forgot one more.

[@Caseymiller44m]

@@TynologyGamingRight? Excellent breakdown of the historical context.

[@litjellyfish]

Finally a no nonsense reality based conclusion

[@wordsshackles441]

Said the little ps2 bot. 😂

[@litjellyfish]

@@wordsshackles441 uh where did PS2 came into this?😅 I though this was about Dreamcast and Xbox? Or did I miss some info you have? 🤣🤣🤣

[@NeanderMeander]

Awesome video man! I love your style and delivery. The history of the original Xbox is so interesting. I watched that Xbox documentary a few times. I might need to watch it again. It's so good!

[@TynologyGaming]

Thanks so much man! That doc is absolutely amazing (and why I used so much of the info from it haha). I'll always credit Xbox for their humility haha

[@NeanderMeander]

@@TynologyGaming I was happy you referenced it. It worked perfectly for what you were saying. I hope you come out with another video soon. They are so good!

[@TynologyGaming]

@@NeanderMeander Dude you know I wake up every morning hoping that that new Neander drop!

[@thelegendaryqwerty]

20 years later.

[@TynologyGaming]

I'm old

[@valentine_puppy]

MVG's Video is pretty damn convincing. That guy is a Programmer and worked on games. He thinks the System is. That said, what do I think? Well, here is the deal. Let's lay some groundwork. Number One, it's awfully fishy to me that Microsoft was working on a console when SEGA was weak in the market and needed to succeed with Dreamcast. Now, it's not that fishy to me that Microsoft was doing this in general though. Because understand something. Microsoft did a lot of projects in their experimental labs and had many small teams. Microsoft also did a lot of internal struggle sessions with developers. One of the weird, strange products that Microsoft came out with was something called the Zune. Remember that? Yeah, same kind of process. Then there are the tons of other things that never got released or saw the light of day off the work benches at Microsoft. Second, What Microsoft did reminds me of what Sony did. When in the book "Console Wars", Sony's Engineers and Sega of America's Engineers worked "Closely together" on a console that would have been a joint project. When it never happened Sony mysteriously came out with their PlayStation right after that and sold it for lower cost than Saturn. Sound Familiar? In Sony's case it was more theft in my opinion than Microsoft but, Microsoft wasn't known to keep their hands out of the cookie jar either. They were in a lot of trouble for Anti-trust suits etc., around 1999 I believe. Am I saying Microsoft stole from SEGA? No. Let me be clear I am not; however, I am saying that something similar could have taken place. As the timing of the supposed development of the Xbox just happened to meet the timeline of Dreamcast's Launch window and development. All Coincidence I bet. Yeah right. Anyway, SEGA published on Sony because of the user base. Sony only "won" over SEGA because of PS1's history and because of SEGA's internal strife. Between Okawa and SEGA of America. Which he promptly fixed for the worse. The Dreamcast also had impossible goals to meet set by Okawa who had jump the Business shark by being both the head of the Investment firm CSK and the company they owned SEGA. He set the tone and he set the goals. Okawa as the good guy is BS. Now, SEGA had to do something to keep themselves from going under and they did what they needed to do to survive. Even if that means putting their games on a console with inferior graphics than Dreamcast. Yes, it's true SEGA Dreamcast was better. Btw, Chihiro and Xbox are PC based. They are PCs. Everything SEGA made from then on in the arcade outside Tri-Force is PC based. Lindbergh to NU. All PC based. Clearly SEGA was going to go in this direction. As a result of their hardware team's issues. Now, there were team members who liked SEGA and Team members who didn't like SEGA at Xbox. It's clear then, that this system has the feel and style and overall milieu of what made Dreamcast something special. However, the other things that didn't were purposefully made by that other team. In fact, I'd say the people who loved SEGA were kicked out at Xbox as the 360 went from looking like a Dreamcast with it's creme color scheme and Blade interface to a completely different interface and change to it's shell. The other team won. The SEGA guys left. So, in my opinion, based on the feel and style and over all of the Xbox. Yes, it's a Dreamcast 2. It feels like SEGA all through it. Especially the controller. Also Modern Vintage Gamer's video on it, is pretty damn convincing as well. Btw I am a big SEGA hardware nerd and I love their hardware very much. I could talk all day about it. SEGA Forever! Saturn never got a chance!

[@TynologyGaming]

It was an entirely different team inside of Microsoft that worked with Sega and they were entirely cut out of the Xbox development. Sega was out of the hardware business almost a year before the Xbox launched (not after). In the video I explain the biggest similarity is the controller itself. Sega worked extensively with PS, Nintendo and Xbox immediately after exiting (most with Sony though).

[@segaunited3855]

@@TynologyGaming Microsoft started development of the "X Gaming Box" in July of 1999. There were internal Details published on Angelfire during that time and Mircosoft used Several of Sega Amusement USA's Key Designers and Engineers who had previously defected from Black Belt(Katana/NAOMI was 100% Japanese and done by Sega Away27 and Naoya Tsurumi) that Bernie Stolar had fired and chased away. So the notion that SEGA was cut out of Xbox's development isn't correct. Microsoft and SEGA had a partnership ALL the Way until Isao Okawa took over as CEO and had been in talks with Soichiro Irimajiri in offering SEGA a $5 billion loan to keep Dreamcast and its Roadmap going until 2005. Many of Xbox's Engineers had internships with SEGA and worked with various Sega AM3 Japan partners. And NO, SEGA officially left the Home Consumer Business on January 31,2001. They were STILL in the hardware business in 2000, which remained until Irimajiri was fired by Okawa. "Sega Worked extensively with PS" is beyond False. Early on, Sega's In house teams in mid 2001 mostly worked with Xbox and alot of in house teams had moved on to Gamecube/Stargate. SEGA development on PS2 didn't come until 2002 and majority of SEGA's IP's were picked up and published by various publishers (Who are ironically Now defunct) because prior to his death, Okawa had TRIED to sell off ALL of SEGA's IPs to the highest bidder. Valentine and MVG are fairly correct, Xbox has a TON of inspiration and influence from Dreamcast.

[@valentine_puppy]

@@TynologyGaming That's right they were cut out. Microsoft had many teams working on many things, and they all worked against each other. This was a common thing in the company. Even for experimental products. I never said They weren't out of the business after Xbox launched. 2001 for DC's end and 2002 for Xbox launch. I said the development of Xbox in the Timing to Dreamcast. Yes, the controller is the biggest tell but, that's significant and so is the style of the console and the style of the plugs used for the controllers were very similar to the Dreamcast. Sony didn't have plugs like that. Now, you can point to Nintendo having plugs like that too. To be fair. Xbox though had very similar indentations of the Controller plugs like Dreamcast did, that little ledge for it to sit there. Look closely at the Xbox and you will see it. However, keep in mind that Nintendo's Project Stargate was meant to compete with Dreamcast. SEGA also showed off their prototypes at CES and you think Nintendo wasn't watching that? Anyway, Xbox is Dreamcast 2 in spirit if not in specific design cues and games on launch. Oh let's not forget to mention that the killer app Halo was being developed for Dreamcast. So, more than you said in the video was involved with SEGA and Xbox. Not that I am saying you're wrong. I am saying you are right, but. I am trying to add to it and not take away from the discussion. Your video was a good video.

[@toastrdog]

If you draw a line following the colors of the buttons on the Dreamcast controller to how they orient on the Xbox controller and turn it sideways, it's the letter X. What more do you need to say? 😁

[@TynologyGaming]

You've gone full conspiracy theory on me now 😂

[@steviebhoy25]

I think the whole DC2 narrative was due to Xbox being the new underdog and the Sega exclusives released on the system, well that and like me a lot of DC fans had a bit of disdain for what the PS2 did to the consoles future.

[@TynologyGaming]

I agree, I was on the DC to Xbox path as well

[@jonnyelpoiss7]

The first port of outrun 2, sega gt 2002 online, spike out and otogami 1 and 2 havd all entered the chat, angry to not be part of the list

[@TynologyGaming]

Sega GT is at 1:54, I did miss Spike Out & Otogi (oops) - and Shenmue II, Outrun I considered multiplatform with C2C. I should check Otogi out, those were under my radar

[@ChannelCortez33]

Here’s an idea; The original XBox is the Dreamcast 1 Pro.

[@TynologyGaming]

I can dig it 🤘

[@califaern3sto]

Why do people ignore the fact that dreamcast has unreliable GD-ROM drives

[@TynologyGaming]

I have a video about installing a GDEmu because of this 🤷‍♂️

[@gamecomparisons]

I bought a PS2 in late 2001 to Play Soul Reaver 2, because they cancelled it for Dreamcast and my 1998 built PC couldn't run it. I then bought an Xbox in 2003 because the PS2 did_not live up to the "what's 10x as powerful as anything else out there" hype or continue any kind of gameplay I cared about without making it more mainstream as a first priority. That said, the Xbox was not a Dreamcast 2, or a Sega console. Sega consoles were about bringing the Arcade home, albeit with trade offs, and then about bringing NEW previously unknown games. Both categories fit Sega's Arcade game releases, by and large, as well. Sega brought this to their consoles not in a handful per generation, but in no less than several dozen (32-50+) unique new gameplay concepts per year. This did not happen on Xbox, or PS2, or Gamecube, not in the Action genres at least.

[@TynologyGaming]

Ah Soul Reaver, I just played the first one again for a few hours, what a great game. I agree, the innovation in gaming (especially action/arcade) was absolutely unmatched.

[@juststatedtheobvious9633]

@@TynologyGaming Remember all those really awkward computer ports on Master System and Genesis? Ugly graphics, poor controls, bad frame rates, and they take themselves way too seriously? But near endless ambition? MorrowWind felt a lot like continuing that tradition.

[@rockapartie]

OG Xbox was such a massive upgrade from the PS2, it was crazy. Finally, graphics that I had originally expected from the PS2 after the insane hype which had lasted more than a year. (I really didn't expect the PS2 to have worse image quality than the DC ... I was sooo disappointed with all the blur, flickering and often even lower-quality textures.)

[@juststatedtheobvious9633]

@@rockapartie Even Gamecube ports of Dreamcast games seemed to lose a bit. But yeah, the PS2 was uniquely bad in that generation.

[@thalesonic]

A japanese arcade at home and a american PC at your living room. Despite a few Sega exclusives and sequels, it couldn't be more different.

[@TynologyGaming]

Precisely 👌

[@VOAN]

Xbox is not the Dreamcast 2 cause it doesn't had Grandia 2, Evolution World, and Skies of Arcadia Legends on it. All of these games were Dreamcast exclusives RPGs but later re-released on GameCube and PS2 only. The PS2 is not the Dreamcast 3 cause even though it had Virtua Fighter 4, Altered Beast, Golden Axe, Shinobi, and Yakuza, it doesn't had Phantasy Star Online. Though the GameCube had Sonic Adventure 1 & 2, Crazy Taxi, Soul Calibur II, Evolution World, Skies of Arcadia Legends, Resident Evil: Code Veronica X, it doesn't had Shenmue and Daytona USA so it's not the Dreamcast 4.

[@jsr734]

But the Ps2 got the Phantasy Star Online sequel "Phantasy Star Universe"

[@modalize]

My dreamcast was tanked by my friend with a pint of a bear one night. There went our friendship

[@TynologyGaming]

Smart call 👌

[@GameNasty]

The xbox wishes it was the dreamcast..... Boom. Roasted

[@TynologyGaming]

OOOOO BURNNNNN 🔥

[@dilbertfish]

@GameNasty Oh you saucy boy!

[@_mazarico_]

Given what's happening to the Xbox brand currently, it may actually achieve that. Leaving the console space in general.

[@freddiecollins9101]

Bro!!!! If Sega releases another dreamcast and if it takes out X Box. I will personally sell my ps5 or ps6. Whatever the case may be, I will go dreamcast.

[@JaggedMercenary]

Who in the world ever said that the Xbox was the Dreamcast 2? And what the hell are these comments? I never heard of this in the last 20 years. And the Xbox was just a consolified PC with inferior games. The Xbox 360, on the other hand, had LOTS of interesting Sega ports/remasters, like Guardian Heroes, Nights, Sega Rally Online, etc.(the XBLA library is a gold mine) I'm a bit puzzled by this video. Are you sure sure you guys don't mean the 360? Cos it sure had plenty of great SEGA games!

[@TynologyGaming]

I think it mostly stemmed from one company leaving the market as another was entering. But the misconception about Windows CE, exclusive games and focusing on some specific hardware caused it to snowball over the last several years, plus a couple wildly successful videos that pushed the narrative. As a day one DC buyer, I bought the Xbox day 1 also. I think they pulled a lot of the Sega fanbase back then (intentionally).

[@VOAN]

In North America back then, the Dreamcast version of Shenmue 2 got cancelled in favor of the Xbox version. This was what made them believe the Xbox was the Dreamcast 2.

[@Zontar82]

it's not..despite everything pointing it out it was going to be, starting from the controller itself to the sega dominant games lineup (some of them being sequels of games that were on dc like shenmue, jet set radio, sega gt etc)

[@TynologyGaming]

Yes.

[@jrecio325]

PS5 is the closest thing to the Dreamcast for me. Yes I know I't doesn't have the bc 360 games from Sega. But damn does it remind me of the Dreamcast. The mic totally makes it like it.

[@TynologyGaming]

Interesting take, I hadn't heard this one before

[@jrecio325]

@@TynologyGaming oh I forgot the GameCube, if it had house of the dead it would literally be the Dreamcast

[@jrecio325]

@@TynologyGaming all it's needs is a seaman sequel.

[@VOAN]

@@jrecio325 The Wii had House of the Dead. Not just one but 3 of em. It also had Samba de Amigo, Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz, and NiGHTS as well.

[@Spaghettaboutit]

TriForce had no Sega IPs, the Chihiro had mainline Sega IPs that followed tradition from Naomi or Model 2/3. The Xbox controller takes massive inspiration from the Dreamcast - double memory card slots, the only other controller with 2 analog triggers, and the colors used for the buttons are also the same but shuffled around. (These similarities and changes gives let me cheat off your homework vibes). The Xbox was online ready out of the box, the GameCube and the PS2 required add-ons. Dreamcast required no add-ons. The PS2 is disqualified as the successor to the Dreamcast “because it killed it”. The PS2 is very obviously a Sony system with only sometimes Sega visiting as a guest. Yakuza became a Sony supported franchise for the longest of times, but it wasn’t until the end of 2005, which was already by the time the Xbox 360 was out. A bunch of Sega games on PS2, doesn’t diminish it’s launch and early game window of releases for the Xbox. A lot of the system exclusives for Xbox were games that were direct sequels for games that were released on the Dreamcast or were games that were originally developed for the Dreamcast and then development shifted to Xbox. Rent-A-Hero, ToeJam and Earl 3, and Shenmue 2. The GameCube came out swinging by putting out two Sonic games that were just ports of games we already owned on Dreamcast - which doesn’t feel like the cool new Dreamcast 2 - it’s just a sidestep. And they were released for all of those that didn’t own a Dreamcast. Monkey Ball was good shit though (Deluxe did come out on Xbox).

[@TynologyGaming]

Love all the analysis. I went from DC to Xbox as I’m sure a lot of us did, so I guess I can’t say much 😂

[@Spaghettaboutit]

@Jlacker you did a lot of typing to just be dumb and wrong.

[@datassetteuser356]

Awesome video! Your passion for Dreamcast makes for some great content, thanks for that and keep the great work up. Cheers!

[@TynologyGaming]

Much appreciated! On to the next one haha! Cheers!

[@Diyomaro]

Cool vid, def learned some new things. I personally feel that despite on purpose or not, Xbox def felt like a spiritual successor and we can all admit it was the closest thing to one we will ever get.

[@TynologyGaming]

I think a lot of DC fans (like me) jumped to the Xbox, just wanted to have fun with this one haha

[@litjellyfish]

I don’t get why it would be a spiritual successor. It’s a console built upon PC tech from another company than SEGA. That took inspiration in some tech and visual areas from DC. I mean if so we can call DC the spiritual successor of N64 as it has 4 control ports and of PS1 (as Dreamcast look more like a PS1 than a Saturn) Why is there is a need to link DC to another hardware? Dreamcast was discontinued in 2001 the end of it. SEGA and its IP and software continued and is still here. Focus on that.

[@litjellyfish]

@Jlacker haha true. Or well mentally Ill is maybe a bit harsh but you have a point and indeed

[@XyNoST]

Been a while I saw one of your videos, thanks youtube recommendations to remember me your channel ! Awesome content as always man and I agree with you MVG rules for sure ! Keep doing these, you got skills ! :)

[@TynologyGaming]

Welcome back! Honestly I’ve been slow to make videos but here’s to picking up the pace again! 🍻

[@GameNasty]

Great video. Really cool animations really nice touch. Honestly well put together informative loved this video brother

[@TynologyGaming]

Thank you my dude 😎

[@Ty-douken]

The original Xbox always felt like a continuation of what Sega had done before, less a Dreamcast 2 & more what Dreamcast might have evolved into at least in terms of controller design if it stayed around longer, as it would've needed a second analog stick to compete long term. I personally have my Sega & Xbox shelves be part of the same cabinet as both don't take up as much space as my Nintendo & Playstation collections, so I'm defiantly bias. However Xbox could never replace Sega, they're just opposite sides of the same coin in my books.

[@TynologyGaming]

I agree with all this!

[@SkakinBaconMedia]

Wonderful video! The Xbox documentary was great, glad you referenced it as well as MVG and Macho Nacho too! I am now moved into my new apartment! As well as I now have fiber internet too yay, 600 Mbps symmetrical Rocks my socks!! And it will be my birthday on the 10th-, where does the Time go? Also also, I'm actually in the process of softmodding my Xbox OG too... thanks to MVGs video on the topic hehe! Keep up the wonderful work good sir!! Happy gaming! 😊🖖🎮🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ Marcus

[@TynologyGaming]

Congrats on the new place! I remember ordering my modchip for my OG Xbox and soldering that thing on, thinking I ruined it, only to realize it worked perfectly haha. That was my main console for like 10 years (mostly because of backups, XBMC and emulation haha)

[@maroon9273]

Imagine a xbox and dreamcast duo console

[@TynologyGaming]

🤯🤯🤯

[@vitorrodrigues5735]

october maybe a reveal, its name is Sega Saturn, same name as the 1994 console

[@Alien_Bob]

It's true, the Xbox is NOT the Dreamcast 2. It's the Dreamcast 360.

[@TynologyGaming]

🤔🤔🤔

[@lakibody]

If Dreamcast 2 would've exist I bet the board would be chichiro based and get games like virtua cop3

[@TynologyGaming]

I like the idea but no way MS would allow another hardware platform to make an Xbox-compatible system. I would love to see Sega return to hardware though 🥲

[@lakibody]

@TynologyGaming Yep ms, nintendo and sony would be shocked and mad if their former rival will return😅. But dreamcast walked so xbox could run and it was the most powerful console of the late90s ( at that time)

[@TheBeggies95]

Typing this before watching! Gamecube had Sonic Adventure 1 + 2, Crazy Taxi, Phantasy Star Online and Skies of Arcadia. Xbox is clearly not xbox 2

[@TynologyGaming]

😎😎😎 You feelin me

[@CBXweb]

I heard there were talks of making the Xbox compatible with Dreamcast games, but SEGANet not being working correctly (or not giving SEGA the money for online services?) was the thing that broke the deal.

[@TynologyGaming]

Yeah I've heard Sega's president was trying to get MS to include DC backward compatibility when they were negotiating exclusive games pre-launch of the Xbox. If I recall I think MS not being ready with their online infrastructure (and yes incompatibility with Sega's system)

[@XVa-uj8m]

Yeah I hate Moore giving away the late DC stuff near the end. Also the Dreamcast library was a much better balance of Western and esp. Japanese exclusive games. XBox had a MUCH WORSE amount of exclusive Japanese games vs. exclusive Western ones. XBox had MUCH more of the latter while in the scheme of things the OG XBox had a relative pittance of the former, esp. compared to the PS2.

[@officialnofriendo]

I want more!! Genius!!

[@TynologyGaming]

Haha thanks my dude!

[@ironinquisitor3656]

Spiritual successor in a way but not " The Dreamcast 2."

[@TynologyGaming]

Yeah one console manufacturer left and one came in in the same year, it’s natural to make that connection. I went from DC to Xbox along with a lot of Sega fans

[@Shannon-ul5re]

Ava was a mess during the Saturn days.. so much fomo at the time, instead of actually making something special and caring about there customers.

[@TynologyGaming]

What a rollercoaster it was in the 90s 🎢

[@sega-re-trop-vieux]

The controller is a mess, only 6 buttons against 8 for the Saturn. The Dreamcast is however amazing and there is plenty great games but not enough compared to the Saturn. Then should we talk about the fan of the Dreamcast? So loud that you neighbors can hear it. The disc noises also is insanely loud. Sega improved the programming for this console but they did a lot of mistakes too. Don’t get me wrong , I love the Dreamcast ( I have 5 Dreamcast … )

[@TynologyGaming]

All fair points. I personally didn't mind the 4 face buttons but I know a lot of people, especially fighting game fans were very upset about it. Although it was the four button layout that ultimately prevailed. I have other videos that address some of your other points also, haha. Just don't watch my video about my love for the DC controller 🫣

[@azyt695]

I love this video dont ask why but i love it so much

[@TynologyGaming]

I love you.

[@azyt695]

@ bruh am a dude

[@TynologyGaming]

@ oh I thought you were a phone 📱 my b

[@JohnnySuarez1982]

Dude.... im mad

[@TynologyGaming]

😳😳😳

[@joeschmoe4698]

Nooo, Xbox isn't Dreamcast 2... it's a PC mini, competing against the Mac mini! I'm a genius! 🤓

[@TynologyGaming]

🤣🤣🤣

[@atemporalmusic6622]

Como consoles da Sexta Geração, Dreamcast e Xbox Original, são Hardwares totalmente diferentes, Cpu, Gpu e Placas mães que nos mostram duas arquiteturas, distintas e extremas entre si, todo o bom desepenho do Dreamcast, estava concentrada no seu hardware de desenvolvimento de jogos, onde as configurações eram as mesmas da Sega Naomi, com uma abordagem em renderização por blocos, evitando gasto de memória desnecessária, dando ao console da Sega, uma construção mais compacta, porem muito otimizada, enquanto isso o console da Microsoft, venho com uma arquitetura obsoleta de mais de 10 anos, pois era praticamente um PC "nerfado" com bios de console, pesado e muito grande, sua cpu consumia grande contidade de energia, precisando de um relogio muito alto, por fim, acabou sendo um tremendo prejuizo pra Microsoft, que só não deixou o mercado de hardware, porque viu uma opotunidade de conquistar os fans da Sega, com seu proximo console sucessor, por fim, o Xbox Original, nunca foi e nunca será, o sucessor do Dreamcast, pois afinal, eram concorrentes entre si e da mesma geração de consoles, o único problema foi que o Dreamcast, foi interrompido propositadamente cedo demais nos bastidores, entre Sega e Microsoft...

[@TynologyGaming]

desculpe, não falo português, mas sim, concordo

[@ВадимБеляев-щ3д]

приятные фантазии но было все не так

[@BeachPizzaGaming]

Dreamcast is still in Xbox Hardware DNA. Xbox Series X/S means Ex-Sega.

[@TynologyGaming]

I think there's a little Sega in all of us 🫶

[@Robert-nl3fd]

There's PLENTY of Sega in me still. But...none in the OG Xbox.

[@Ashitaka0815]

Let's see... X86 architecture, AMD Navi graphics, GDDR memory... Not much DNA to be found there

[@litjellyfish]

What hardware DNA do you mean Xbox have from DC? Please be specific or it did not happen 🤓

[@maverick85]

I think I'll keep telling everyone it was 😂

[@TynologyGaming]

I'm cool with that haha

[@dalmocalmo420]

How dare you?!

[@TynologyGaming]

😳😳😳

[@extrastarplaya2363]

There's definitely similar games between the two consoles

[@deegeegeeretrogaming6684]

Great Video 👍

[@TynologyGaming]

Thank you!