The Skyrim Pay-To-Win Challenge - Day 1

[@parkerc5812]

I feel like you should add a requirement to only level up through skill tutors.

[@DietJoov]

I'm gunna pin this so others can share their thoughts. I really do like this idea lol. This locks every single gameplay aspect behind a paywall. The grind would be pretty immense but it does make the challenge as a whole more compelling. I'll likely stay the course and see through the current ruleset, but this is a great change. Edit: I thought on this more. It's probably possible to continue the current run we are on, implement no more skills gains unless paid for, and lower the price of lootboxes a bit to balance things out. I'd be stuck between choosing only training or only lootboxes if everything else stayed constant. I'll keep thinking on this though

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

This might work, but it is also exploitable since leveling in Skyrim makes enemies stronger.

[@parkerc5812]

You'll probably need a mod to deal with the number of skill tutors you can use per-level, because i believe it would softlock at somepoint without one. But i've been playing more Morrowind than skyrim lately, so i really can't remember how the skill tutors specifically work in Skyrim...@@DietJoov

[@joshalmightyblades]

@@DietJoov That may be approaching that un-fun level of hard. Nah jmo ur call tho

[@maxharz3914]

Also pay to level up would be nice as well

[@Elderrion]

Honestly, Joov had the right idea near the start. Graverobbing Draugr tombs is like mining for gold; the draugr, including the static container draugr, all cary around 5-15 gold, and there are a lot of them. After that, temple of Meridia is your go-to. 25-125 gold per desecrated corpse and there are dozens just lying around. You can walk away with around 2000 gold after 1 dungeon crawl. Very lucrative.

[@your-chariot-awaits9249]

I got the twitch notification for this and was sad I missed it lol thank you for all the content though dude, it's been great. Last year has been really awful for me and I lost a lot of hobbies, but I found your main channel randomly through recommendations and you got me back into TES and Fallout. I forgot just how much I truly loved TES and I've missed it. So thank you! I'm excited to see more of the crazy challenges you come up with

[@DietJoov]

That's originally how I started making primarily Bethesda content. I got to sort of re-fall-in-love with these games as I hadn't played them in a long while.

[@mjtj115]

My favourite thing about being a vod frog is that joov says hi to us in the beginning 😌 makes me feel special

[@DietJoov]

Hello!

[@mjtj115]

@@DietJoov just like that 😂

[@derpderpington824]

Manual labour: sell firewood to Hulda. You now work at the inn. Room at the inn is free forever. So is the food. Pick and sell anything for Katla and she lets you use her horses because you work for her farm. Free food inside as well. Fight the guy at Riften Stables: free horses and food. Passive Income: get married. 100 gold/day and a free homecooked meal.

[@fishrsa9046]

I always end up working for hulda but I've started limiting myself to 100 gold a day from firewood. I didn't know about katla letting you use ehr horses though! I always beat up uthgerd to be able to use her horse

[@kyoukotsukino6322]

This kind of challenges would benefit from the mod Missives. Random quest generation, with some quests being "honest work" like bringing a letter to another town/city/village (but can't use carriages for those quests, because fast travel is for chums.) Also SAAL, which gives you points to health, stamina and/or magic depending on what you did to level up. Also also, Trade & Barter or some other, lesser economy mod, so the 300 gold the lootboxes cost are a lot harder to get from selling to vendors, and buying items from vendors can be basically an endgame goal. T&B can go up to insane levels. I remember its maximum settings being like "sell me that perfect gem for five gold, I'll sell you iron arrows at fifty gold a piece. Want an iron armor? Your life is worth less than iron armor, you hobo." 2:24:00 Yeah, the "Frenzy" line of spells is all about sitting back and letting NPCs kill each other. One of my favorite spells to have as backup. Run out of arrows? Let the bandits be your arrow. The winner gets a stab through the face as a reward. 2:35:00 That spider is like the Deathclaw in Concord in FO4. Extremely nerfed so new players can feel awesome about being able to kill a "tough" mob, and experienced players can use the scenery and a pipe pistol to save all the 5mm ammo for selling.

[@OurEmRM]

There's a flawless emerald spawn near anise's cabin I like to get. It's along the river cliffs in a deer skeleton.

[@hi_im_sota]

No joke, I lost a warehouse job because I had to use the bathroom more than once a shift. turned out I had food poisoning due to tainted peanut butter that ended up getting recalled nation wide a few years ago... I wasn't mad because I hated the job lol

[@TayDoesStuff]

Warehouse work could totally be a form of hell torture

[@hi_im_sota]

@@TayDoesStuff id rather be homeless than work in s warehouse again. it was absolute trash.

[@DrLipkin]

I could see a version of this challenge in New Vegas. I feel like allowing you to gamble is in the spirit of the run.

[@Brian2]

But with Luck 1 and only way to raise it would be through items. Otherwise a high Luck in NV is very easy to be super rich. Right out the start run to the casino with a Luck 7 or more and you win most. Spam the buttons to max bet and play and in a fee minutes you have thousands of caps.

[@JakeB84936]

Love your content, You popped up in my recommended and now your one of my favorite youtubers im subbed to both channels and I catch your twitch streams when i can. 👍

[@alexanderregnar1841]

me too, saw one random skyrim video and i didnt even watch skyrim content but i love watching joov play this and fallout

[@kyoukotsukino6322]

3:00:30 And that's why the keys only cost 300 gold. The mod's author wasn't evil enough to go full "Bleed Your Customers Dry" mode. Also if you want further screwage, buy lootboxes from merchants, or do grab the ones enemies carry. The key-fueled chest gives you at least one "rare" item (the boots in this case) but any other lootbox can just be full of iron daggers. Golden Keys also have a small chance to give you some gold back (most I saw was 100, but along with an ebony mace...) so the non-key lootboxes are the true "please steal my money" option.

[@KRAJJI96]

it seems like a lot of people here found your channel through recommend. im no exception and found an oblivion video of yours on Jan 1 recovering, after partying too hard the night before lmao i just remember having a splitting headache and laughing my ass off which didn't help the handover lol thank you so much for the endless entertainment i love having your vods on in the background as i fall asleep. big fan!! ❤

[@DietJoov]

Thank you so much for watching! Happy to help nurse a hangover anytime!

[@captainlink72]

Thrilled there’s a new upload! I’ve been sick this last week so I’ve been watching Nuclear Nora’s Grand Glowing Sea Saga!

[@brazenyungking9701]

When you made the monster reference I looked at my TV in disbelief 😂 I love that anime

[@unsoundmusic]

Joov: "Am I wearing pants? You don't know." Falion suddenly utters "Take a look" as Joov opens the shop. Comedy gold 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@rystalvitt]

If long form content was a drug then I am addicted. ( It really helps pass time with night shift security work )

[@elderydrunkelvenarcherd575]

3:00:34 first LootBox 3:25:14 4:42:08 5:08:58

[@elderydrunkelvenarcherd575]

You’re welcome

[@dogalolo]

I'm actually so upset I missed this, I absolutely love the Sigma Grindset Alpha Male Podcast bit he's doing for this challenge-- also, Ben definitely didn't get that scar from a fight, let's be honest

[@alphabros5226]

I recognize your profile pic from somewhere but I can't figure it out. Any idea where you got it?

[@madameghostie]

He most likely got the scar from a botched plastic surgery job

[@xbon1]

@@alphabros5226its just a generically drawn character. u probly ain't even seen that exact one before.

[@brewilde]

That dragon jumpscare was one of the funniest joov moments ever

[@YdaxraTala]

Huzzah! Another vod! My entertainment is satisfied and my day made better. Hope you're having a good one! 😁💯

[@DarkoOG]

You don't need to push the npc's in dargonsreach progress the quests, you can just talk to bulgruf and he will give you the rewards, and you don't need to wait for irileth to get to the guard tower, you can just walk up to the tower untill the guard comes out to progress that part quicker. Just for future reference.

[@weir9996]

2:34:06 Illusion sucks at low levels. It doesn't work on a lot of things due to level caps, and it is only single target. Fury's only really good for assassinations. Illusion gets pretty fun at high levels, especially in the big civil war battles, but is still pretty limited, you still need a way to deal damage Edit: And it doesn't work on undead, which are the main enemy type you face in a lot of early quests

[@DogNamedWatson]

My man finally has a reason to find all the stones of Barenziah

[@hottwunk420]

the weight of 19 big macs is a little over 10 pounds, which is pretty spot on for a large newborn

[@nagisa3523]

5:11:48 Huh almost as if overwatch 1 had this and it magically disappeared for a battle pass in overwatch 2 😒

[@kyoukotsukino6322]

3:15:40 But do you know about the chest _outside_ the Bleak Falls dungeon? I have never seen any YTer loot that one, and I rarely see it mentioned anywhere. It's like people is allergic to searching for 'secrets.' 3:17:40 Chat schooling a schooler, never gets old. ;)

[@Lucorito_Costito]

I think it would be a nice idea to add a rule where every house you build you also should pay for a mercenary to be its housecarl, and maybe the improvements you could buy from whoever you chose as your housecarl gives some kind of reward to you as well, like points or lootboxes or even something special since many of the orders can actually go over 1000 gold. I dunno, that just came into my mind, hope this interests you.

[@vexxedspirit1050]

Nelkir is essential because of the Whispering Door quest, same reason for Farengar being Essential until after dragon rising is because of the Whispering Door quest, doesn't make them any less annoying, but it's crazy that nelkir breaks that quest

[@vexxedspirit1050]

oh, and with saadia's quest, you can collect money from both if you bring her out to him and then kill him she will give you money too, money hacks lol

[@rambibambi3810]

Thank you so much Joov for giving me the inspiration to try a similar challenge in Fallout New Vegas. I love your videos.

[@DiaJasmineFlanary]

I didn't know you could knock those fire pots down with spells! Learned something today.

[@thatfrackinguy3005]

btw i think its because Nelkir has a part in the scene that plays at the start of the dragons rising quest. He probably runs off somewhere and because he was gone it was like 'uhhh well we cant proceed til hes here to screw off.'

[@cassie5248]

Joov really is a great skyrim lockpicker

[@Shadow-ru5pq]

Seen within less than an hour....love all your videos man

[@Magnic_]

I like how Joov said he could sell the loot boxes loot, then just leaves the loot instead of selling it.

[@DiaJasmineFlanary]

He said in the beginning he couldn't sell it.

[@11531337]

31:18 Cheat Room mod has a "remove all spells" button in

[@R-YR29]

So glad I'm not the only one who always thought it was a butterfly too lol

[@darkkitten86]

Catching this 5 months later. But next time you need a loophole that the gold you were automatically given at the beginning can pay for the spells you cannot remove

[@cadence4527]

There is a way to skip dialogue faster. Disable Proventus and Irileth, then enable them right before talking to Farengar (must do this or the next quest won't trigger). Then Balgruuf will have a one-sided conversation with Numinex's skull.

[@XDracostheDragonX]

for the death tax couldn't you use shadow of skyrim mod to set that up automatically. pretty sure you can set what you drop including a % gold (might need to check that though)

[@gars0the03]

I believe that the reasons the quest Dragon Rising was bugging due to a lack of Nelchir is because he is spouse to either eavesdrop on the meeting, or be told to leave as the adults are talking, and as that part was undoable, the game would not trigger the quest. I can't be cirtain, because I'm not gonna fire up skyrim just to test that though.

[@xredxsixx4871]

Wants lockpicks forgets to talk to the fence after joining the thieves guild lol 😅

[@11531337]

2:52:13 Average weight of a Big Mac is 240g so 19 Big Macs would be around 10lbs

[@unidentifiedbiomass4106]

I had no recollection that the drunken huntsman was anything other than an inn vendor

[@naw726]

I am barely 15 minutes in but small idea, maybe drop a percentage of gold on death rather than a flat amount? Maybe even 10%? I think it would lead to more hectic situations. Edit: I was bested! Youre a step ahead

[@DietJoov]

10% feels fair right now. It's punishing with small amounts of gold because it essentially blocks me from carriages, hotels, food etc. Later on it will be even more punishing as it slows me down from a home purchase, a horse etc.

[@naw726]

@@DietJoov yeah definitely agreed! Seems to be the ideal amount of challenge + fairness I’m glad you swapped to 10% before the first run! I feel like only 100 gold would have eventually been not enough of a hit late game

[@xaniso6955]

Y'know...I'd love to see this lootbox challenge run on Fallout with lunchboxes. Bit less freedom, though perhaps modifying the rules to include found lunchboxes may help even the odds. Seems like it could work on paper.

[@DiaJasmineFlanary]

It killed me that you didn't loot the gold from the dragon!

[@artmccarthy3268]

Outstanding video.

[@11531337]

2:05:58 Whiterun court wizard sells every spell

[@CodedGaming]

1:52:01 if the loot boxes need a key to open i think they should be allowed to be looted

[@LyricAndCompany]

someone in chat at one point said it wasn't, but this mod is actually on xbox and it works p well 👀 this is one of those challenes that look really fun to try at home

[@spotonstupid]

Ireleth has to go to Whiterun main gate guard barracks to send guards to Riverwood. If you hand off the dragonstone too fast you can softlock the quest until she returns.

[@DeusVultSwe]

You miss alot of loot at bleekfalls burrow. #1 outside at the entrance fallow around and you find an adept lootbox usually having a gem, #2 before the spider you find a dead skeleton and a bunch of spider web inside the spiderweb is a chest, #3 when you get to the drauger loot the dead drauger laying in the alcoves, 4# behind the word wall is one, #5 behind the litte waterfall at the stairs in the word wall room is one chest.

[@logan9679]

Loadbearing Nelkir

[@cozy-horror]

illusion magic is annoying af except for calm spells. fury doesn't stop enemies from aggroing on you, and fear makes them run 5000 miles away and chasing them down is annoying af, but calm is great bc they just stand in place and you can get behind them and do a sneak attack or pickpocket. i think illusion would be a fun and viable play style, esp just to have the variety, but calm spells are supreme

[@barrycabbageM34]

53:00 if Starfield lacks stuff like this I won’t like it nearly as much as I could.. it needs that Bethesda charm man.

[@DietJoov]

I've thought about this a lot and I still have no idea how I'd feel if the game has really nice polish and upgraded combat AI lol.

[@LootGoblinPenny]

Today I learned you don't automatically succeed the Riften Guard Shakedown dialogue. I have never failed it nor seen it fail and assumed it was just free.

[@vicieux7789]

i got the monster reference, i feel approved of

[@breadpope0358]

Nothing is certain in this world but death is taxes

[@seb1500]

Ngl Ben purchasin as a khajit would have been funny

[@thorodinsson5684]

Don't let em lie to you joov it's a butterfly 😂😂😂

[@TheFeltmeister]

You have to have the great debate as your last podcast when you're good on gold

[@ramanspeedballof930]

I literally got a KZbin add about investing while watching this

[@thorodinsson5684]

Joov next time you go through bleak falls again and reach the boss dont go for the shout first go for the chests obviously go for the big chest infront of the wordwall and dont forget the hidden loot chest behind the word wall somewhere its behind hidin in a hole in between like 3 rocks

[@AndrewBrownK]

alternate start at helgen works differently than I remember. Is this a special XBox version? or am I just that out of date on PC?

[@toshinoriyagi8768]

what mod did he uses to gradually get better look in the lootboxes?

[@spotonstupid]

If people want to try a run like this look into every dead thing you find or kill. A lot of times gold and jewels are on things they should not be, including skeevers and wolves.

[@TheRedThirst]

@49:00 Skyrim npcs hate water It’s fucking freezing joov hahahaha

[@thorodinsson5684]

The reason the enemies you cast with frenzy they still hear you castin the spells and they still search for you cause of it but after the cancel their search for you they will fight each other if you had quite castin they wouldn't hear you cast the spell and then they would fight each other instead of searchin for where the spell came from

[@mjwtruth]

Not just a race against other Skyrim players, but a door randomizer scavenger hunt....eh?

[@ExaltedSalt]

If this mod is on console, ill have to try it. Lootbox survival sounds fun af lol

[@trevodawg]

Oh no it’s the Skyrim Crypto challenge

[@p3r_s3ph_0n3]

I think East Empire pendants should be allowed because they're a quest item.

[@TheThezenith]

Oh shit! I got an advert on this video for "dropshipping lifestyle"! Edit: now 2 ads for them in one video ahahaha

[@DietJoov]

How funny would it be if we somehow got only overpaying shopify midroll ads on this entire series

[@panda93247]

Man, Bleak Falls never looked so hard

[@DietJoov]

I'm so mad about it. We ended up finally getting a healing spell in the next stream and it made life way easier. Easily could've 10x'd progress with a healing spell :/

[@drgonserpent]

It's weird some naked Imperial came to town picked up my bag of gold and brought to the other room and then my bag of gold just disappeared but there's no way it was the Imperial

[@C4NIVORE9273]

I just invisioned you referring to yourself as Top G this whole video... 😂

[@C4NIVORE9273]

I watched these with my newborn son last year, he wouldn't sleep unless someone was holding him, 5-6 hours at a time these vods were my Rock. Now i cycle through all the old vods to sleep for my own benefit. Thanks Past Joov, and and Welcome Back Future Me.

[@Ah-Sol]

I’ve got a challenge for you The “Skyrim Pub crawl” where you have you have an alcoholic beverage every 5min , in you quest to drink your way to every tavern in Skyrim no gear other than your drunken self can loot from each tavern and you can check point at each tavern you can use followers cos (who doesn’t make friends on a drunken night out) And you don’t have to use the road you can use any route you can find as you stumble though Skyrim with your mates

[@sylvia76319]

As a person in the eastern time zone, the central time zone is much better than ET

[@destinymills255]

Feeling slightly called out at 9:40

[@jadindavis9591]

You should make it where you have to pay a 5 dollar fee for honest work

[@calebnelson4932]

Have you ever considered using the alternate start mod for some of ur skyrim vids? I can hardly play through that damn opening after 12 years of starting new characters. Not that I'm complaining about your vids, I love them. I was just genuinely asking

[@DietJoov]

I got u - 22:42

[@davemardrov777]

My brother and I love your videos! 😊

[@unkletiny]

everytime he looks for the woodcutting axe as a weapon it pisses me off

[@rosshoyt2030]

1:41 good Boston accent 👏👏

[@TayDoesStuff]

"pay to win" *steals a horse*

[@TheRevan1337]

Guessing Nelkir might have been a necessary speaking part during the main quest at some point? :P

[@nycstreetpoet]

Doesn’t the dragon known you’re the Dragonborn? I always assumed all the dragons Alduin revives have a standing order to kill the Dragonborn on sight.

[@blankenheim39]

Apparently Flames and Healing cannot be removed via console, or rather you remove them and they're immediately added back.

[@jonathonmoore2063]

How do I add a video a funny thing I found out in the waste land?

[@TheDIRTBIKER10]

Can you beat skyrim as Pelinal Whitestrake/Racist and attack every high elf you see?

[@DementedLessons]

i swear joovs difficulty seems different from mine lol. on expert with full iron that spider in BFB does half health at 110

[@TheThezenith]

Chat saying that Khajiit would be better I have to disagree with. Imperials get Imperial Luck which makes gold coins spawn in higher numbers. Also Imperials are way better at that SIGMA GRINDSET

[@DietJoov]

TIL about Imperial Luck! That's wild too because it's a much tougher challenge than I originally thought it would be, and I have an advantage!

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

On the contrary though Khajiit will be going through fights and in turn getting gold quicker and visiting chests sooner which offsets this while also making it so you don't need weapons till you find a 16+ damage weapon you want. Khajiit are early game, Imperials are mid, and late where coin stops mattering.

[@TheThezenith]

​@@Buglin_Burger7878 yeah maybe but we have seen plenty of khajiit characters in challenges already and I don't think we've seen an imperial yet, and also I think its more thematic for the challenge. Cats just sleep all day! That's not sigma! Imperials are always on that Grindset pumping out septims. And hey I still think those extra few coins will help the progress of the challenge as well.

[@tylerhalkett9694]

I haven't watched in a few weeks and you look great man you been working out?

[@seineturnbeaugh]

Are you going to upload the Baldur's Gate Vods?

[@ciggie_beeze6209]

who did he raid at the end? i can't for the life of me figure out the name by his pronunciation haha

[@ratthew_xd]

I love you for that monster reference Joov, you sexy beast

[@truthtoad]

"show me what you got only"

[@jillthecivic5650]

3:20:53 anyone else recognize the PH theme before he said it?🤣🤣

[@adamjones3672]

You’re improv/role-playing is brilliant. But your Sigma-giga-Chad attitude is getting in the way of your success. Chad smarter not harder

[@LilGamingYes]

I'm so glad to be a VOD viewer... simply because I would ruin myself with gifting subs to hear "I'm a God, how can you kill a God?" if I watched on Twitch

[@KRAJJI96]

i do a lil dance every time i hear it lol