Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart PS5 Pro vs PS5 Image Quality Face-Off

[@GodofWarChuka]

For me it’s just not worth the hassle or the extra money for the Pro. I’ll wait and see what the PS6 brings.

[@Calebworldwide]

Exactly. The OG still works like a charm. As long as it doesn’t sound like a G6 taking off, I’m good. Yeah, I wish it was a bit smaller but before I know it, ps6 will be here. Graphics weren’t a problem for some people until a “pro” was announced. Already got the og model and a portal. That’s more than enough for me.

[@GodofWarChuka]

@ Same here. My launch edition PS5 is still Quiet and works good. I’ve watched a number of comparison videos between the PS5 and the Pro, and I don’t see a difference in Graphics or Performance. Our eyes can only see so good! lol

[@dreamcast3w525]

Ps6 only in 2027/8. You will eventually buy the pro 😂

[@1992Rainbowdog]

Its kinda weird, we've been promised fidelity mode in 60 fps but it looks more like performance mode with a bit higher resolution. Fidelity still has the sharper image with bigger crowds

[@warriormen0]

You were not promised anything. You just like many others assumed. That's not the fault of the manufacturer, that's the fault of the consumer.

[@1992Rainbowdog]

@@warriormen0 Mark Cerny mentions a bunch of times to expect/experience fidelity like detail in 60 frames etc. Stop eating everything up sony gives you and be critical.

[@WllKiedSnake]

You can unlock the fps also. It's not just 60fps if you have a VRR TV with 120hz.

[@atomickaiser1934]

@@1992Rainbowdog Yes fidelity like detail not the literal fidelity mode. There's going to be a new fidelity mode for this game on pro most likely at 30.

[@1992Rainbowdog]

@@atomickaiser1934 If your'e fine with getting taken advantage of developers and eat everything that they serve so be it. I'll still complain and expect better.

[@RedGamingTech]

I'd really liked to have seen additional comparsions vs PC too, PSSR vs DLSS for example. Oh well hopefully in the future.

[@OutlawFarmersRC]

There is no comparison! DLSS is way better. The "PISSER" on the pro is just going to be too soft on a 60in 4K OLED. If you can even tell a difference at a normal viewing distance really from couch to TV.

[@NowakP]

They already did that for Rift Apart, based on some of the footage they had before. I'm sure they'll be doing a lot more comparisons after they actually get a Pro in-house

[@mlggamingpro2578]

@@OutlawFarmersRC a comparison against FSR or XeSS would also have been valuable, PSSR may be more inline with those but its hard to tell from speculation

[@darkmaster539]

I'd wager for now PS have rules about coverage. We won't get this until the pro is out.

[@mitchelljenkins4815]

Love your videos. Perhaps you should do some PSSR vs DLSS comparisons on your channel. Would definitely stop by to check them out!

[@rodrigoalvas1866]

does it look better? yes does it worth 300 dollars more so you can see the plant leafs on the background with a little less jagged edges that you'll have to zoom x3 to even notice? absolutely fking NO

[@rashaddow]

Hopefully you are not getting a pro just for Rachet.

[@RandomGamingMoments925]

I've said it a dozen times, and so have DF - the zoom is to compensate for the fact that many users are watching it on a phone screen and because YT compression is atrocious. The Pro will look noticeably sharper on a 4K display, there's no getting around that fact.

[@rashaddow]

@@RandomGamingMoments925 Well said.

[@rodrigoalvas1866]

@@RandomGamingMoments925 I know, but noticeable at a static image and looking right at it sure, but I can bet you won't even mind in the middle of the action for that very mild improvement, we are not talking about going from 1080p to native 4k, and for 300 dollars more it just does not worth it, there is no getting around that fact neither

[@GiBMan70]

You speak for the whole world, or just those upset they can't afford a Pro? ....yep, exactly.

[@stevenkaye1625]

I say this as someone who has pre-ordered the Pro, and is generally in favour of it -- this is the most disappointing showing so far. I originally played this game in the 40fps mode, which was essentially the fidelity mode settings at 40fps (albeit at a lower resolution obviously). I thought it looked fantastic. I find it really hard to fathom that the Pro couldn't have taken this mode, and gotten it up to 60fps using PSSR, even keeping whatever base resolution it was using. Would have liked to have seen a comparison with this mode. It's quite disappointing that this Pro mode we get has lower graphical settings than the Fidelity Mode on PS5 (crowd density for example). Oliver seems a little too forgiving in this video.

[@fenixa2z936]

I’ve also preordered the Pro and to me it’s Insomniac still doing something with the Pro, not just for this title but all its others AND still having to do Wolverine etc. Pretty sure if they would allocate more resources to making this look the best it can be then they would but how much can you put on an old title? JS. Still think everyone needs to relax and hopefully 🤞🏻 we see some other modes they have cooking.

[@stevenkaye1625]

@@fenixa2z936 I guess I just expected more from one of Sony’s premier studios. If I was gonna jump back into this game a second time on the Pro, I actually feel like I’d be getting a lesser experience considering certain graphical settings are lower than the old fidelity mode, just for a boost from 40fps to 60fps.

[@xDJTrump]

You’re the reason they are this lazy and money hungry 🙄

[@Superdazzu2]

Even from a phone, the pro performance mode looks much softer than the ps5 performance rt mode, really disappointing

[@krisw4846]

Same...I pre ordered mine too and tbh the advertisement for the Pro so far's been Very unconvincing lol. Hoping to see a bigger difference once I get my hands on it in November.

[@rafaelizquierdolizama6260]

More and more clear I’ll stick with my base PS5 and save the 800+€ for the upcoming PS6 or other stuff

[@lordmaster2562]

Save for xbox like smart people.

[@idakev]

@@lordmaster2562 You are as insecure as Homelander in your profile pic

[@shinramiddlemanager7949]

Sell your OG PS5 to go towards the Pro and sell your Pro to go towards the PS6 and you'll be spending about $800 and ending up in the same place anyway.

[@Labarynthtube]

Sounds good I'll enjoy gaming on my pro for several years before the PS6

[@Labarynthtube]

​@lordmaster2562 no one is buying xbox consoles anymore...

[@Gr4yF0x]

Let's pretend there is no 40fps fidelity mode on base ps5.

[@fenixa2z936]

Yeah, what happens to those modes? Can they unlock the framerate and then use VRR to cover?

[@phattiger1506]

Whilst that should be covered, a lot of us don't have access to that due to having TVs that don't support 120HZ

[@cosmicgamingunlimited]

@@phattiger1506Then don't use that mode??? 30fps and 60fps would still be there!

[@thanksbetotap]

@@cosmicgamingunlimitedI think you may have missed his point… this is all in the context of this new Pro patch and whether it provides sufficient value. (I would say “yes,” because now I get 60 fps without image quality compromises and don’t even need to consider the 40 fps mode.)

[@Zinkolo]

You need a 120 Hertz TV for that...

[@TheRealBOBlibob]

Pay $800 to play Performance RT upscaled with PSSR. Turns out "playing with Fidelity mode graphics at 60fps" was a lie

[@WllKiedSnake]

It's a free mode if you got the game already. And are you sure it won't run at 60fps in Fidelity mode on Pro? It has a unlocked fps option in Fidelity mode. I'm sure the PS5 Pro can run at 4k 60fps in Fidelity mode.

[@DarshanBhambhani]

@@WllKiedSnakeweakest Sony fanboy defense I’ve ever seen holy crap 😂

[@TheRealBOBlibob]

@@WllKiedSnake So it's free if I pay $800?

[@iurigrang]

Fidelity-like* mode. This sure as hell looks more like the quality mode than it does the performance mode. It isn't either of them, but the amount of detail is pretty comparable to quality, at a lowered image stability/settings, but it doesn't look ANYTHING like the performance mode

[@WllKiedSnake]

@@TheRealBOBlibob It's free for the copy of Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart if you already own it. It's a free mode. To use DLSS it also cost the price of a graphics card which can use DLSS. Can't use DLSS if you don't buy a graphics card which can do it.

[@michaelmeyers7216]

These are the sort of videos I need. I usually play fidelity at 40 and I am afraid the pro modes will just use the performance mode settings at a higher resolution. And that's not great. Give me an unlocked fidelity mode.

[@balaam_7087]

I seriously hope that the traditional DF framerate analysis EKG is not being replaced by the tiny little thing in this video @11:50. That’s ridiculously small and hard to read, and nowhere near as pleasing to the eye as the usual DF graph we’ve all grown accustomed to. I’m hoping it was used here just because this is Pro footage you didn’t have access to run through the usual DF tools!

[@CodyHimselfXI]

I'll be sticking to my PS5 base model, I like the design, the fact that my disc drive is included and graphics look perfectly fine.

[@sersomeone9704]

It sucks that in this game as well as last of us part 2, the pro-performance mode is just a PSSR upscaled base performance mode. I wish we got similar settings to the fidelity mode like crowd density.

[@freyalunar3633]

you need to wait for "new game" to come out after the ps5 pro release for that kind of performance

[@johnboylan3832]

And how is that going to work on that crappy Pro CPU?

[@jorge69696]

Maybe there is a cpu bottleneck.

[@Highwaysonyfan87]

The last of us part 2 had 0 difference in settings between the 2 modes aside from resolution

[@stevenkaye1625]

Especially since Ratchet had a 40fps mode that retained the crowd density settings.

[@ScyrousFX]

That sharpening on base PS5 really isn’t helping PS5 Pro’s case. Can’t fault Insomniac for adding a bit of sharpening, but it makes it all the more difficult for PS5 Pro to prove its worth, with that sharpening removed in the PSSR mode. You’re improving image stability but sacrificing perceived detail (atleast, that’s how the average consumer will see it). That’s a hard sell.

[@upon-fe2720]

Just one game, the improvements are vast in every other reviewed game

[@atomickaiser1934]

Trust me when I say this nobody will notice it and nor will they care.

[@FigmentHF]

it's only because it's so cropped.

[@Norightnowrong1]

Hard sell but sold out in many countries, including USA?

[@jacquesdebruin796]

​​@@upon-fe2720I wouldn't call it vast, also if the developers went back and fine tuned everything on base ps5 the difference would be even less.

[@CrackedTubeGamer]

Honestly at this point I don't even know how DF carry on doing these videos. Getting to a point where we are zooming in 3x just to play where is Waldo with pixels is beyond mind numbing and I didn't even have to create the video! we've hit a plateau in visuals we're going to need something major to shake things up again.

[@NateMakesMusic]

I’m getting sick of the gaming industries obsession with super high fidelity graphics, where’s creativity?

[@DeesBees85]

If you’re sick of high fidelity graphics why are you watching digital foundry videos smart guy?

[@NateMakesMusic]

@@DeesBees85 if you were smart yourself you'd think "hey maybe this video popped up in this dudes recommended and he wanted to share his opinion"

[@DeesBees85]

@@NateMakesMusic you’ve commented on many Digital Foundry videos before. This isn’t a random one off occasion.

[@NateMakesMusic]

@@DeesBees85 And it matters to you in any capacity why?

[@DeesBees85]

@@NateMakesMusic just pointing out it’s strange to complain about developers making better looking graphics on a channel dedicated to analyzing video game graphics. It would be like going to a channel about sports cars and complaining that everyone is so focused on fast cars and it annoys you.

[@satoriaudio]

It seems like while playing most people if not all won’t even notice these differences unless specifically focused upon.It’s really hard to justify the price considering how little it brings.I think people were expecting more.

[@SICK_O]

But who honestly is playing this game with an appreciation for how much breakup there is in background confetti and how shadows in grass are resolved? Must be a tiny proportion who enjoy games for those things.

[@jkoz4]

And just like PS4 Pro only had a tiny proportion (1 in 10) so will the PS5 Pro. This isn’t made for the everyday consumer, it is made for that tiny proportion.

[@TheGamez07]

Gotta say very disappointed with this one and what insomniac is doing for their games in general for pro. So the whole point of the pro was to get the best of both worlds fidelity mode at 60fps uncompromised however thats not what we're getting what we're really getting is the same performance mode with better image quality meaning we're loosing the extra visual fidelity from the fidelity mode like extra particle effects and density for example and im really surprised no one is talking about that like heres a better idea why not give us the fidelity mode and just reduce the internal resolution if you have to to hit 60 and have PSSR clean it up to give us the extra sharpness in resolution

[@wben7833]

Go back to sleep, you people are on another planet. They have a fedelity mode at 60 plus fps, they already showed it. Stop crying

[@EckoTheFox1]

I’m honestly struggling to see any notable differences…

[@Hopkins955]

what immediately stands out to me that the PS5 image is sharper and the edges are more defined. Hence the PS5 Pro image is even a downgrade.

[@Neil_Hanson]

No way I'm dropping cash on a Pro for such tiny improvements.

[@BBWahoo]

Right? Second hand GPU's look very appealing right now

[@alexdrum94]

Every time I watch one of these videos I am more and more sure about not buying the PRO. especially for $780. Furthermore, I’ll probably get a PS6… which will inevitably be better than the PS5 PRO… but I genuinely don’t see how they will get me to buy a PS7 if these are the difference we are currently talking about and these differences shrink more with every platform. Ps. The PRO clearly isn’t selling well. EVERY single journalist said “it’s a niche device meant for a smaller audience but inevitably it will sell out just because of the limited units”. Here we are weeks later with it in stock at literally every retailer.

[@GrumblingForesight]

I can’t decide which is more depressing, the fact that the Pro can’t run fidelity mode at 60fps or that we are still forced to using the same game to showcase this generation’s capabilities, 5 years after launch. Or maybe 4, it’s been a minute.

[@Zeegoku1007]

Both...

[@ramiyohay7286]

Show me a 700 dollar pc that can run 4k60 with RT

[@RedPillAlways]

The Generation is is dead. Developers today are the Laziest that's ever been and relying on upscaling Tech to do the work for them instead of optimizing is a big reason games suck. The PS5 Pro is basically a Money grab scam. Online multiplayer and games-as-a-DISservice GARBAGE especially has DESTROYED the Gaming Industry Digital has killed Ownership.. So yea gaming is pretty dead in my house as far as new stuff. It's not worth it

[@RedPillAlways]

​​@@ramiyohay7286 we get your the Brand Loyalist with no common sense and drinks all the company Kool-Aid it's Aimed at. But the Rest of us don't care. Also not even the PS5 Pro is doing that much of a difference.

[@PhilippeCorthout]

@@RedPillAlways he does have a point... show me a 700 dollar machine that would do that? Including a 70 dollar controller and a 2TB SSD.

[@Qrec12]

Wait, the Pro mode looks blurry. This does not look like an upgrade....

[@MrFrexxia]

It only looks "blurry" when compared to the original because it had pretty heavy sharpening applied. This is addressed in the video

[@maynardburger]

I'd say it's 'softer', rather than blurry. The Performance mode on base PS5 is oversharpened, and gives it a sort of unnatural and grainy look. If you've ever edited photos or anything, you know that being sharper is not inherently better. That said, PSSR is still clearly not a match for native 4k on PS5 Fidelity mode, so in this game at least, PS5 Pro is not delivering on the promise of PS5 Quality visuals, but at 60fps. Which really just further proves how insane the $700 asking price is for the machine.

[@RedPillAlways]

The PS5 Pro not worth the price. It's Aimed at Brand loyalists with no common sense that drink all the company Kool-Aid

[@redfirefox3568]

@@RedPillAlways Get a job kid

[@OrnelloLiborio]

Didn't you listen to what he says in the video?

[@220joe]

Sounds like he’s trying to keep himself convinced in this video 🤦🏻‍♂️. This was not good

[@ilkercan84]

I replied oliver's ff7 rebirth video saying that they are sugar coating the ps5 pro basically and they shadow banned my comment :) these losers are very dangerous stop following them..

[@vicks.577]

It's probably because he feels guilty. Oliver managed to convince Insomniac to get rid of the sharpnening pass at the event last month, as a result now both PSSR (once looking comparable to DLAA even in the first comparison from last month) and the whole console look like a joke.

[@rkeith7766]

@@vicks.577 Just add a sharpness setting like the PC versions. Problem solved.

[@chuckgreen41]

That sound like an assumption 😮. You know what they say about people who do that.

[@jerchongkong5387]

@@rkeith7766 That is a very cheap and lazy solution.

[@yonyon5108]

I canceled after watching this video

[@arghpee]

lol same and i got a Slim. Saved 400 bucks

[@nickmontiel1366]

Bro I’m actually about too as well wtf

[@arghpee]

@nickmontiel1366 Do it man, use the 450+ dollars you saved buying the base ps5 slim disc console on sale this holiday and get a PS6 in 2028 with PSSR 2.0 and PS5 Pro mode on Ps6

[@MrDream-zm1pw]

@@arghpee nice I got lucky and bought a slim mint in the box with disc for $270 off marketplace a month ago just for silent hill 2

[@TheJoe971]

You never intended to get it 🙄

[@Youtube-Censorship-Police]

you heard it guys, if you want high-res confetti, you have to bite the bullet

[@Einsteintse]

Bite the bullet for extra $700. Another one bite the dust. I will put that $700 to my future Rtx 5090 instead.

[@UltramarineDad]

@@Einsteintseenjoy the 800 watts bro 😂

[@MegaDeth859]

😂

[@MegaDeth859]

😂

[@MegaDeth859]

​@@Einsteintsedefinitely, I sold my series x and used the funds to buy my 4080. Super happy with that choice. I don't think I will go back to consoles except Nintendo or for some exclusive game that I won't ever see on PC.

[@FeisarX]

Why didn't they just do fidelity mode at 60 fps with PSSR? GPU not capable of that?

[@thecarl1013]

PSSR have computing cost, and they probably (but im not sure) dont have npu/ai cores (something like tensor cores in rtx gpus) so gpu have to compute this things. And ps5 pro gpu isn't 2x faster than base ps5 gpu, so they cant just double fidelity mode performance.

[@wanshurst2416]

@@thecarl1013 yes it has special cores for it...

[@mrX666-s9p]

@@thecarl1013 Wow you sure are not smart it literally has an AI upscaller and a chip separately just for this just like nvidia. Thing is some games look better than quality I don't understand why in this game it looks so blurry and bad it has no sense maybe on launch it will be better the good thing about this tech is it will improve as they train the AI more.

[@thecarl1013]

​@@mrX666-s9p Yes, you're also not too smart. Even if they have separated chip for it, there's still higher computing cost than taa/igti. And i watched nxgamer video about ps5 pro and pssr, and he said its not sure about separated chip for it. Maybe he misunderstood something, but i thought they didnt confirm that they have npu/ai cores and that was speculations only.

[@VariantAEC]

​@@thecarl1013 The NPU in PS5 is part of the APU, like how the NPU is on the GPU in all PC GPUs from AMD and Nvidia currently and part of the APU for all mobile chipsets and yes, phones had NPUs longer than PCs did back in 2017 which was before Nvidia introduced Tensor cores in their second generation RTX cards which first launched in 2019.

[@brasbielwillian]

USD 700 for a reeeeeally small diference doesn't seem worth it

[@TommyBull2]

Well a game on a 3080 looks the same on a 4090

[@flockelocke2297]

@@brasbielwillian this is not what the Pro is capable of dude. This is just lazy. There is like no work done for the Pro version, except that it uses PSSR for the base PS5 RT performance mode.

[@brasbielwillian]

@@flockelocke2297 I'm sure the PS5 Pro can do more, but still don't know if it will be worth it to me. FF7 seems to have a big boost on Pro, for example

[@r0dexm]

​@@TommyBull2Nope. Maybe older games which can have max settings on both. But how about the FPS counter.

[@3jake5mee]

This video made me come to my senses, thank you. I just canceled my pre-order.

[@playzen8]

And you got tricked, I have a PS5 PRO and ratchet and clank rift apart and there is a Fidelity pro mode this reviewer did not even review for some reason reason that runs the game at 120hz VRR 50 to 90fps with better graphics than the base PS5s Fidelity mode.

[@SeraSxF]

The amount of angry PC comments is ironic because you think they would understand that adding a better GFX card doesn't mean you suddenly have a god PC on your hands but the PS5 Pro is being held to highest bar of standards and nitpicked to hell. The amount of people that don't understand Pro features vary by game is really shocking too, or the fact that it doesn't matter how good your hardware is if the DEVS can't optimize their own game themselves, which is a massive widespread issue.

[@brettlivingston595]

Digital Foundry has become more and more advertant to criticism lately. I don't need to watch Sony ads, I want honest breakdowns. Where is the unlocked framerate performance comparisons? Wouldn't show enough of a difference?

[@SotNist]

complains that PS5 Pro coverage is an ad asks for even more extensive PS5 Pro coverage

[@MyndZero]

The RT mode looks like a downgrade. Why can't they apply a sharpness filter AFTER the rest of the image render? Ground looks so much less details for example. PSSR kinda sucks from what I can see. I don't want to see a blurry image, ever.

[@rockyshoresstudios4987]

This feels more like a graphical patch vs a new $1000 system.

[@AssassinIsAfk]

That's because the old hardware can not receive the graphical patch due to not having pssr (an AI upscaler)

[@chuckgreen41]

Except it's not. It's the power of the new console standard. Your base PS5 Is now obsolete. Get used to it.

[@Zeegoku1007]

​@@chuckgreen41"Power of the new console"....it literally has the same CPU as the base model lmaooooooo...

[@PhilippeCorthout]

it is just a patch? Game was not developed with the Pro in mind, so seems logical? I would jump to conclusions when the "new" games eventually start come out.

[@lncbros.gaming8419]

@@chuckgreen41obsolete? I’m not against the ps5 pro, but having a graphical/performance improvement isn’t making the ps5 obsolete. Most people still have the base ps5, most of the player base will not upgrade to the pro.

[@Brolicherbs]

I'm sorry but I cannot get excited about this sort of thing. bring on some new games, some new ip

[@theplaystationgamer100]

Oliver scraping the barrel here for benefits of playing on the Pro.. basically if you have a decent 4k 120hz TV with VRR set up correctly, you’re not going to notice any difference, especially with the base PS5 RT mode looking better.

[@DrForce2010]

I cancelled my pro order, the more I look the less I see it’s worth the £700 investment

[@mrp73]

I grew up with a Commodore 64. Comparisons like this, while fun and educational, also show me how spoiled we've become.

[@fenixa2z936]

Absolutely, 43yo here and started with Atari from a garage sale with a box of full games. Couldn’t be happier. Now we nitpick at fizzle/shimmer and some dropped framerates. And it’s only going to get worse.

[@Sanchez792]

Is Sony paying Digital Foundry? Cus it seems so from this video.

[@ilkercan84]

the journalism in them is dead after many sponsored content don't expect too much from them they even shadow ban your comment they are not even open to criticism

[@Blaze-p8u]

Yikes! So I'm kind of insane sometimes. I may shell out thousands of dollars for a new laptop that improves upon things, sometimes even slightly. I'm just a tech guy. But, if I'm looking for the best visual fidelity with the best framerate, and the PS5 Pro can't really match the visual fidelity of fidelity mode (which is kind of insane when you're already charging $700.), that's not good. Because it'll feel like a downgrade from the base PS5. If it doesn't feel like an upgrade in ALL respects, that is a huge, huge turn off.

[@tokyogamer5825]

PS5 Fidelity VRR Mode 40FPS > PS5 Pro upscaling

[@indeed596]

I tend to agree judging by this KZbin video. Ps5 Pro image looks pretty soft in places. Not the best advert for the hardware at all.

[@ghostschiphon]

Hopefully pro will be able to pull the frame rates up on fidelity with vrr to consistently be at least within the vrr range for ps5

[@TheGoncas2]

Imagine saying 40fps is better than 60fps

[@Zeegoku1007]

​@@TheGoncas2 For single player and anime titles i always play them at 30 fps for that cinematic aesthetic....now imagine that !

[@Dezzyyx]

what do you mean VRR doesn't kick in at 40 fps on PS5

[@JB_inks]

There are very minor differences and you need good eyesight to see them. In some cases the base PS5 looks better.

[@jape6845]

its not minor though is it.. what people like you are failing to remember is even though a lot of games can look good on a standard ps5.. in a lot of cases it needs to be run in 30fps to get there. ps5 pro is not about beating the ps5 fidelity capabilities.. its about getting there while running in 60fps.... fidelity is pointless in 30fps because you cant see it anyway since there is a lot of judder unless you just stand completely still. but gaming is not about standing still.. its about movement

[@JB_inks]

@@jape6845 so by your own logic the differences in image quality are minor. Thanks for confirming

[@Strifethestriker]

​@jape6845 but even 60 fps is not enough bro they told us that it can run games in 4k at 120 fps so this console is a scam do not defend this shit and games still look amazing even in 30 fps

[@Hopkins955]

The PS5 image looks actually most of the time better because it is just sharper and more defined when it coems to edges.

[@s54csl10]

This is a strange one. When it's not zoomed in (like at 4:20), I find the Performance RT mode better looking in most cases. The textures have some sort of sharpening filter but they do look beter than the soft Pro ones. Refllections and Shadows do look a bit better one Pro. The fidelity near native 4K mode does have a way better IQ than the Pro and that's dissapointing. I'm viewing on a 55 inch OLED, 2,5 meters away. I would like to see more comparisson not zoomed in.

[@16-BitKev]

Idk man. I had reserved the pro on launch day and recently cancelled the order. It’s just a lot of money for me right now, considering I had saved up and got a nice LG tv and use my big og ps5 with sexy black blades on it since launch lol. I was excited for the pro but I’m going to hold off. To me the og ps5 holds its own at the time being. When you’re enjoying a game, sitting across the room, and the game is in motion, is the pro that much of a difference to justify the price? For me, I’d have to see a little more of it. I get the price, I figured it would be 650-700 before it even came out. And I understand the tech you have to add now to make a graphical leap has to be significant. But for now, I’ll wait and see what it has to offer once it’s out

[@A.Y.11]

They’re virtually the same and if anything I prefer the sharpness of the base PS5! Pro looks blurry.

[@Hopkins955]

THIS! I am actually shocked how only a few people are mentioning it and are talking about a slightly better PS5 Pro image which I feel the opposite meaning the PS5 is just sharper.

[@stevesgaming7475]

I'm fine with my PS5. In my eyes the changes I've seen, certainly don't warrant the £700 price point.

[@make.one.studio]

The Pro would make sense to me if it can run Space Marine 2 in Quality Mode and at a rock solid 60 FPS.

[@fenixa2z936]

So wait and see…

[@fenixa2z936]

Has Relic even come out with any performance patches or optimization yet? I don’t own the game.

[@xDaKiNG_Bro0KLyNx]

@@fenixa2z936Their first big major update is coming out the end of the month. So we should see some performance fixes.

[@robertlawrence9000]

A lot of these games will not be using the actual Quality Mode in Pro Mode. It will be only upscaled from specific resolutions or replace the FSR or other software upscaling of the 60fps Mode with PSSR. Some developers might go all out to get a more custom made mode for PS5 Pro though. There will be mixed results for sure.

[@otonielb]

Isnt space marine more of a cpu issue

[@ironaspect6850]

Wow. So, if I'm a gamer who always picks Fidelity mode, then PS5 Pro doesn't make much sense for me to get...certainly NOT at its present price point, at least.

[@WllKiedSnake]

The unlocked fps in both Fidelty mode and PS5 Pro Enhanced mode will be interesting to see on PS5 Pro.

[@iurigrang]

The argument for performance pro is certainly stronger than it was for performance or performance RT. If you're to ignore that argument on principle, yes, the pro isn't for you. But there's a much better chance people who usually pick fidelity would pick the performance pro mode than any other mode

[@xDJTrump]

Yes

[@hamzaboughraira4455]

The difference is bigger in third party titles cause Sony exclusives are already looking phenomenal on the base PS5 and their pro upgrade isn't that big

[@Burbin7995]

If you choose to play your games at choppy 30fps then yeah a "Pro" console is not for you

[@gameindustryinsider6450]

This game’s Pro version is least impressive so far. On the base machine I play in balanced mode which is very close to quality settings at 40-50fps with VRR. The Pro should be able to run this at 60 - which would be preferable to this current pro mode.

[@Bry.89]

It's nice to see Consoles finally getting some form of AI upscaling instead of the inferior FSR method that's currently available. DLSS is the goat, so maybe PSSR will match it one day. I imagine RDNA4 for AMD will introduce FSR with AI similar to this rebranded "PSSR", but I also hope they introduce a feature similar to Ray Reconstruction because it really cleans up ray tracing nicely.

[@thejiamobile]

thank you, i don't want the pro anymore after seeing this video.

[@britishyankee961]

I was hoping we would get Fidelity Mode at 60 fps instead of Performance RT mode at “4K”. I am the target customer for a PS5 Pro but this review makes it easier to wait for a PS6. If GTA 6 runs at 4k 30fps on Base PS5 and looks like the trailer, I’ll be happy. I’m looking forward to seeing more comparisons from Digital Foundry. Fidelity mode for life.

[@frankynakamoto2308]

They could had lock the 60fps performance mode to A 40FPS mode for the PS5 and they could had used the PSSR, that would had done just as good job as the PS5 PRO mode, with a 120hz VRR support.

[@mandrews6282]

At 1:53, are these labelled correctly? Even viewing this on a phone the image on the left (base PS5 Perf RT) looks noticably crisper with better detail and RT. Like look at the flowers or even the boxes themselves. Or the metal on the cylinder object in the front view. Actually it’s like this in all the shots. I’m not sure I like the removal of the sharpening pass. It looks blurrier. I guess I’d have to see it in person.

[@lucasbassopacheco8210]

Yeah, im so confused...

[@jjmah7]

I thought same thing, then determined the left I think it was at full ray tracing mode one (RT) and that wasn’t switched on for image on the right. Either way it’s very unclear at best.

[@fenixa2z936]

These are working updates. Literally nothing is confirmed because guess what, the PS5 Pro isn’t even out yet. Not once have you heard from DF “we have the official update/final build from Dev Blank” No one has said this is the only new mode that is coming. I can’t be the only person with logical thinking here. Honestly think it was silly for them to show this video. But they do need content. The FF7R and TLOU2 vids where the results of PSSR actually look better than fidelity mode are better examples. Just being realistic here. Not to mention Insomniac is busy with Wolverine etc. How much of your resources can you put in this old game anyway? Is it really going to drive that many new sales? Most people already bought it if they really wanted it.

[@Philosopheraptor]

100%.

[@theeimmaculatetrash2738]

Anybody else think the original ps5 looks better. Ps5 pro loses detail to me....

[@FigmentHF]

you're getting confused by the cropping

[@HaikarulUk]

i know, right?!

[@xDJTrump]

@@FigmentHFnice try Cerny 🙄

[@Joostinonline]

It seemed like a pretty small difference overall to me, but the removal of that sharpening filter was a big boost for me. So it seemed like an improvement to me. Not that I'm investing in a PS5 Pro.

[@MrFrexxia]

You're confusing sharpness and detail

[@bargaintuesday812]

You could spend 700 dollars on this or 700 dollars on games.

[@Glotttis]

You aren't very good at math are you? If you don't have a PS5 then it's only $200 difference for a higher spec machine. If you already have a PS5 then you sell it and cover a little over half the cost of Pro. Or... you can keep crying about it in the comments.

[@jc4446]

@@Glotttislet’s say he has a ps5 already , then that’s $700 on games … gaaaaaaaaameeeeesssssssssssss

[@lordspalse0062]

Or 700 dollars on family life

[@Glotttis]

@@lordspalse0062 Maybe you shouldn't be spending on gaming if your family life is suffering financially tbh.

[@lordspalse0062]

@@Glotttis True

[@name_christian]

Pro is blurry 😮 - I like it sharp please. Overly so sometimes

[@chrisbeaver5748]

Exactly what i thought

[@WllKiedSnake]

Then pick the Fidelity mode on PS5 Pro. And also unlock the fps. Should look and run good. Will it hit 120fps though? Not sure. The PS5 Pro Enhanced mode should.

[@FEWGEE1]

So it's basically the 40 fps 120hz quality mode with an extra 15 fps. Not sure why you didn't include that comparison, because it's the closest to the pro performance mode. Edit: The Pro mode actually looks worse than the base consoles quality mode, to me.

[@iPlaySEGA]

Better save your money for a PS6...

[@jollama]

*PS6 Pro

[@BCBtheBeastlyBeast]

I cancelled my pre-order because I realized I couldn't actually afford it. Was pretty excited for FF7 Rebirth jump in quality to start my 2nd playthrough eventually, waiting to play Dragon's Dogma 2 so I could have the better experience on the Pro, looking forward to a hopefully enhanced 120hz experience in Black Ops 6, and like many others I'm sure, I was looking forward to the best way to play GTA6 when it comes out. And I play on a TV that I would appreciate the extra detail. But the more comparisons I see, the more I'm being convinced that I'm not missing much, and the more content I am with waiting for PS6 and 60 series (I believe going from 50 series to 60 is going be way more impressive than 40 to 50, and I already have a 3080 12GB)

[@Dezzyyx]

@@jollama PS6*

[@jpdunphy1]

Some of the comments here are weird, those defending the upgrade like Sony is their daddy. Brand worship is weird, folks, plain and simple. If you want the system and can afford it, go nuts. But, its not 1992 anymore. Console wars don't exist and Sony doesn't give a crap about you, only your money. Have fun.

[@0wnz0rz888]

This is the truth.

[@Jedi_Luke]

Xbox boys need to hear that as well

[@denzelvilliers]

​@@Jedi_LukeI think that Mid Gen Consoles are an stupid idea, but it's always funny to see the hypocrisy of Xbox Players complaining about Ps5 $700 Price tag, when Microsoft announced an Xbox Series X ( same Hardware Specs than the actuall one ) with 2TB and No Disc for $600, that's the real atrocity in comparison to the Ps5 Pro 🤡

[@Querthquake]

Love the 1440p "fix" at 1:40 :D

[@eddiegarcia1560]

$700 on top of the $500 you already spent so you can zoom in 4x to see a difference 😅. Ugh...

[@AbysmalEnd]

I really hope there is a Fidelity Pro mode and that 40FPS modes will have higher resolutions. I also believe that third Party studios are gonna benefit alot more from PRO than first party devs.

[@pointlessrelic5589]

I will start with saying I know I'm the outlier here and everyone else's opinions are totally valid. I find it very easy to see the improvements with the pro, especially when viewing scenes with fast movement. None of the videos I've seen so far are HDR though. Lighting is supposed to be one of the big improvements with the pro so it will look even better than this 4k video. I'm so excited right now. I can't wait to play Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth again. Thanks for making these videos. I hope everybody has an awesome day.

[@JP_Albuquerque_]

Cerny said we will not have to choose between Quality or Performance mode.... BUT IF I WANT THE FULL GRAPHICS SETTINGS ON HIGHT I STIIL HAVE TO GO ON QUALITY??!! 800€ to still play on the "Performance mods" so it can maintain 60fps??! It's the same Performance RT settings of the Standard PS5 but with PSSR! And I'll bet the PS5 Pro will not upscale PS4 games to 4k like the Xbox SX does for old gen.... This is ridiculous... I'm can believe I pre order this 🤬

[@ArcanBot]

future of Digital Foundry is compare two identical images?

[@Simoss13]

Zoomed in x3 and the difference is negligible. Imagine actually playing the game at 100% zoom.

[@KonradLis-cx1be]

Hehehehe 😂😂😂

[@jrdz6695]

Base PS5 is the best value here, no question

[@willgiles6848]

Absolutely, im not seeing the value of the pro, with the ps4 pro and one x it was obvious why you would buy one. Much higher resolution. The ps5 pro is very niche. I can understand why Microsoft arent releasing a x pro

[@xtr.7662]

​​@@willgiles6848a lot of games dont run good on ps5 all of these exclusive run great obviously but you have to account all the others that dont ue5 games for example xbox isnt releasing a pro because its pointless they are already way behind in sales and the two xboxs are too expensive to make especially the series x

[@joefawley9264]

It has a disc drive which adds far more value

[@HueyTheDoctor]

Absolute joke of a console, not gonna lie, and that's from a Playstation fan. If DF doesnt start adopting a more accusatory and less apologetic tone in these videos, the audience is gonna suspect you're just managing your relationship with Sony.

[@Smallwoodenduck]

I think it's crazy that the pro mode runs with the reductions to crowd density and other feature details in the same way as the performance mode. I hadn't realised that the pro was purely about image quality. I knew that was a big part of it, but it's mad that the quality modes on the standard ps5 will still be superior in some respects (I realise this is subjective but I rate graphical detail and flare over image quality generally). The Pro console should really look the best in all respects. I know it's giving us the 60fps and I like a smooth game as much as anyone but this is a bit of a bummer.

[@Pakitorocker]

This game (or any first party Sony title for that matter) already look great on base PS5, the only reason that’s worth upgrading to Pro are those 3rd party titles that clearly struggle to either keep consistent 60fps and/or take a huge hit in graphic fidelity when playing in performance mode. Some good examples could be FFVII rebirth, FFXVI, Jedi Survivor or Wukong

[@Samurai-fo3to]

Now, do you mean that I should pay 900 euros and then sit 20 cm away from the TV to feel the difference?😂😂😂 It (ps5 pro ) was the jack of the century

[@lordspalse0062]

You can just cut and paste your eyes to the screen to save yourself the difference.

[@michaeldrayson9513]

Big thank you for confirming I don’t need to spend money on the pro. Looks very similar to me and certainly not dropping a grand on that upgrade.

[@nicksampson538]

ratchet and clank has little difference but for other games the difference is much bigger, basing it on this video would be an odd decision

[@Mcfigg]

Looks the same definitely not worth $750 for this…

[@geekosa63]

The 40fps ps5 mode unlocked on proat 60 would have been better

[@rjblitz5871]

You're not serious. Stop enabling Sony, DF.

[@tpabdo7857]

i dont know if something is wrong with me but i think base looks better in a lot of senarios

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

Base PS5 has sharpening pass on both modes, pro doesnt...

[@xDJTrump]

You’re not wrong!

[@maynardburger]

If your eye is trained to believe 'sharper = better', then I can see how you think that. The gluttony of people who overuse sharpening on PC games and visual mods and whatnot is testament to this. But I'd also argue such people have a poor eye for good, coherent visuals in the first place.

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

@@maynardburger If my eye says it look good, it looks good

[@mrX666-s9p]

@@maynardburger You are caping this doesn't look good they either are still not having a clue how to implement this or pssr is just so trash. F1 for example used more ray tracing features and it is 100% a big difference in quality insomniac woke devs seem to not be able to work with pro .

[@Joeybatz33]

Can they show us Cyberpunk 2077, Avatar, Space Marines 2 & VR games?

[@fenixa2z936]

Sure after Nov 7

[@robertlawrence9000]

Maybe if they get a Pro patch.

[@Joeybatz33]

@@robertlawrence9000 Boost Mode would be a better way to sell people on it in my opinion. I bought one, but would rather see games that didn't run well

[@LongsamaGaming]

@@Joeybatz33 Really hoping to see Avatar get a patch. Although even without a patch it's dynamic res so it should look cleaner out of the box.

[@LongsamaGaming]

@@Joeybatz33 I also really want to see if amongst the upgrades to GT7 if they added PSSR to the VR mode

[@phil_matic]

These are differences you would never even notice when you are playing the game and having it in motion. The Pro is an absolute joke and waste of money. I really hope no one buys this to let Sony know that they aren't going to fall victim to this cash grab

[@Im_Behind_You]

Performance Pro mode CLEARS, these commenters are blind

[@fenixa2z936]

Mostly PC folks. Pretty wild. Nobody has confirmed this is the only new mode for Pro that is coming out. Just jumping to conclusions.

[@TheJohnold]

If I gotta 3x zoom to see the improvements, then I dont need to see it. Im not gonna be playing the game with a 3x zoom, or at a slower speed to gawk over stuff that's not gonna move the needle in fun factor.

[@LongsamaGaming]

So one thing I'm seeing missing from the PS5 Pro coverage is VRR performance on 120hz displays. Is there a reason for that?

[@dmitriytechmix1665]

We're not ready for this new technology 😊

[@Kysen10]

On the latest podcast John spoke with the Sony PR at a PS5pro event in Japan, they said no changes from base console.

[@peoduction6068]

@@Kysen10 120hz mode runs at 90 or 80 fps on ps5 base model, has to get higher on pro right?

[@Kysen10]

@@peoduction6068 if you mean framerate they I expect it to go up. But the OP was talking about VRR performance changes. The window on PS5 is narrower than on Series X.

[@Mo-eh1bq]

@@Kysen10 Unless you can force 120hz at all times, there won't be any changes with this console.

[@Tyranniod]

This really doesnt seem worth £700. This is definitely not for me.

[@samson7294]

we are at the point of diminishing returns of diminishing returns

[@Wobbothe3rd]

Not really, people have been moving to PCs for graphics reasons for a while now. Sony wouldn't release a Pro this generation if there was no value in it.

[@vintendio]

​There is litteraly 0 value to the Pro beside playing Rebirth at 60 fps with a decent image quality this time Rift Apart RT Performance mode looks already stunning even on a 4K display

[@godbelow]

@@Wobbothe3rd If anything, people have been moving to consoles, for money reasons for a while now.

[@adds-kz3oc]

Diminishing returns if you don't have a 4K display and a working pair of eyes.

[@vintendio]

​@@adds-kz3octhe difference is not worth $1K ffs

[@MrEvol94]

Wow total game changer I am so freaking impressed! OMG!!! Best product ever made!!! I love sitting close to my TV and inspect details!!!

[@Cae_the_Kitsune]

You guys really need to do something to better convey why you're zooming in to show off differences, because a quick scan of the comments on almost any of your videos makes it pretty clear that many people don't actually understand why that's necessary. People tend to assume zoom-ins mean the differences are invisible in person when you're really just combating the effects of KZbin compression.

[@Atonam_real]

Aight bro ps5 is good enough

[@martijnvanderwal3976]

Depends on the games you play, for this game, yeah PS5 is only slightly behind PS5 Pro

[@peteparker22]

​@@martijnvanderwal3976there hasn't been one game so far that can sell me on an upgrade from ps5

[@originalauthor]

Cope

[@SteveJonesOwnsDSP]

This is fine and all -- but Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart is an older game now, and not worth re-visiting just for the sharper image. Sony timed the PS5 Pro poorly, and should have released it with a new game that shows off it's features.

[@NineS5]

to be fair, PS5 released almost 4 years ago, and it feels like it doesnt exist. There hasnt been a ground breaking exclusive yet on it.

[@nendymion]

@@NineS5 I'd also argue that there hasn't been a game that pushed the system to it's limits. We are at the point where PC, Xbox and playstation are all capable of achieving the same graphical fidelity, which makes it a harder sell. They would need something that's exclusive to the system and is able blow peoples minds. However with the cost of game development these days, they would be insane to have a AAA title tied to a single system. It would have to be a AA title if they want any chance of recouping costs.

[@76sagman]

Another DF analysis showing me why i'll keep my PS5 slim and feel I'm not missing out on much, well unless i stand still and zoom in 3x anyways.

[@nickjacobsss]

I just want more games to have the option to run at 120fps, regardless of resolution. Which would be a significantly upgrade vs slightly better RT or slightly sharper edges of objects in the background.

[@kyzer9144]

People. Don't be fooled by the $700 price. It's $780 for a disc model, PLUS tax. It's about $830 with tax, hot garbage.

[@aaa4181]

You forgot the stand

It's simple. The PS5 pro isn't powerful enough and relies too much on AI to upscale the image to make up for the more modest improvement in GPU. Also, the improvements (while debatable), do NOT give gamers a clear choice for what is actually superior. This is the biggest indicator that the unit isn't powerful enough. PS5 pro is not a no-compromise experience.

[@warriormen0]

Nothing is a non compromise experience.

[@WllKiedSnake]

Same as compromises people need to make on PC when wanting higher quality graphics or performance. Lower the resolution and then use DLSS in order to push for higher graphics and performance.

[@AaronWOfficial]

@@WllKiedSnake Console is at this point literally a limited PC. You have to tweak graphics settings now, and the graphics settings are even limited to just a few presets while on PC you can fine-tune everything yourself or use low - ultra preset XD. You have to upgrade it every 3 - 4 years now if you want best graphics\performance on that platform, while pc you can spend a lot and not have to upgrade for ages. I don't understand why people even want a console anymore, its just remasters and remakes that eventually make their way to pc, and pc can do everything a console can do + a whole lot more things lol. And yes, you can play a pc from a couch with a controller, so don't even bother trying to argue with me on that one. Just get a mid-tower build, and bang it behind your tv. Done, can do everything with the controller once it is setup. Just have windows auto-login, steam launch with windows, press ps button on controller and it brings up steam big picture mode and can jus select what game u wanna play with controller and play it just like a console lol.

[@WllKiedSnake]

@@AaronWOfficial I'm good. I prefer consoles and have a massive library I have no interest in buying again on PC. And I have no issues with a good port, remaster or Remake.

[@AaronWOfficial]

@@WllKiedSnake Good thing you have no issues with remaster or remakes, because that is most of what you are getting these days lol. You would be pretty pissed if you didn't want any of that because what else is left?

[@MinkyMomo_]

The Pro version seems to have a crushed texture image quality compared to the original. Is Pro right?

[@ArchieBunker11]

Thats how i felt too, granted not for everything(confetti). The scene at 9:30 looks like a flat out downgrade.

[@upon-fe2720]

​@@ArchieBunker11overall definitely an improvement across the board with framerate in mind, however it's clear this is a title insomniac didn't really want to spend ages on optimizing for pro. Realistically insomniac have now very much moved on from Rift Apart and so has the PS5 player base. Insomniac likely spent a lot more time implementing improvements to Spiderman as that crosses 3 games and is far more popular. The results here are indicative of that.

[@ArchieBunker11]

@@upon-fe2720 I disagree about it being an overall improvement, everywhere I thought it won was 300% zoom, and slowed down. whereas the areas i thought it lost was really soft textures, and flat out missing detail. The ps4 pro, and one X didn’t have any instances of this vs their base counterparts. As for the insomniac point, i’d probably argue that Sony should have avoided their content as comparisons due to their in house upscaling that isnt terrible. But saying they essentially half assed it as a Sony first party studio is silly. Imo at least.

[@gears6476]

I sold my PS5 and pre-ordered the Pro. I feel like I made a mistake after seeing this video.

[@AaronWOfficial]

If you cancel that pre-order and get a PC instead. Will be the best mistake you ever made. I went from PC to original xbox (didn't like it, was jealous of all my friends ps2 console XD) > ps3 slim > ps4 > back to PC. Never going back, console isn't what it used to be. It used to be a device that had amazing games, actual system sellers that got you all hyped and excited. Now it is just remakes emasters and woke games that get cancelled after 2 weeks. I definitely picked the right time to switch back to PC, dodged a bullet with the PS5.

[@anabang1251]

@@AaronWOfficial A 700$ PC for what the PS5 Pro offers? And without mouse and keyboard?

[@Александр-э2ш3я]

@@anabang1251 subscription and game discount savings, web browsing, applications, emulation, piracy, upgrade paths, mods. Yeah pc wins my ps5 is a dust collector.

[@arercon]

Don't buy pro models, simple as that.

[@AaronWOfficial]

@@anabang1251 How many dualsense controllers have you had to replace because of stick drift? That must have set you back at least $150, and they just increased the price of the dualsense as well lol. I have had my mouse and keyboard for almost 10 years, still running as good as the day I bought them.

[@mitchellanderson1120]

The pro was advertised as a no compromise experience. Being able to play games at the base PS5’s fidelity mode but with performance mode framerates but sadly it isn’t the case. £700 what a scam.

[@AnthonyTripoli]

No pro mode should ever be inferior to a PS5 OG mode. The pro obviously doesn’t have enough power to offer an ultimate mode, so they might as well create two new modes: pro performance and pro fidelity, each better than their predecessors.

[@obersturmbannfuhrer60311]

Me while watching the video: *slowly hovers the mouse over the 'cancel the ps5 pro pre-order' button'.*

[@userk2876]

Why buy it in the first place ?

[@thomasleonhart1907]

Is digital foundry now owned by sony?

[@joefawley9264]

Ign unfortunately

[@sambagogo777]

Disappointing to hear Oliver having adopted the verbal affectation of "I feel like...". John and Alex use it constantly. Have the courage to stand by your convictions by firmly stating your opinion. Saying 'I feel like' is weak and pathetic. It's essentially a shield to protect you from criticism because in today's world people aren't allowed to have their feelings be upset. Show the evidence and state your opinion. We don't need to hear about your feelings. Also, Digital Foundry built its reputation on displaying objective information. This switch to replacing facts with 'feelings' is pitiful.

[@theinvisibleman-e8v]

@sambagogo777 Don’t watch if DF upsets you. Maybe take a walk and see the beauty of the outside world.

[@dynamicflashy]

Well said

[@alexanderharris6746]

the fact you need zoomed images to compare between the pro is....weird and sad. if i had'nt bought a ps5 earlier this year i would've gotten the pro. i just can't justify myself to sell my ps5 for the pro. graphics wise is not that big of a difference compared to pc vs ps5

[@joshuau.]

I appreciate the detailed analysis! I would be interested to see how PS5 PRO compares to PC versions as well, if possible. Thanks for the video!