Discover Why Peugeot and Citroen Make Electrical Fault Finding Easy!

[@nicodenhaak3961]

My 406 coupe hasn't had a problem with the electronics in the 17 years i own her. Schematic's are pretty easy to understand, and the basic's (BSI, comfortvan data lines which run to the other modules etc), are the same for other models in that era.

[@rmsdiagnostics]

great cars mate,petrol or diesel?

[@nicodenhaak3961]

@@rmsdiagnostics petrol V6 coupe. ES9J4S. Very well maintained. Blue with tan interior. Early 2000 car, skinny stalks on the steering column. Really love this channel.

[@theweekthatis]

You'll upset a lot of anti-French people with this. But I agree, PSA are so modular, wiring and mechanics too. Documentation is fairly good too I find.

[@rmsdiagnostics]

not the best system but they stuck with it for so long

[@loc4725]

Might be modular but the reliability of the electrics is poor and I understand that you now need PSA / Stelantis's permission to do some programming work on later models. And having had 2 main dealers refuse to sell me a part or sell me the code to my car so I can go secondhand and do it myself I'm never buying another PSA group car again.

[@mcjjordan]

Soon as they hit their 10th birthday -Fooked. I dont even entertain them now - just give them scrap yards number

[@lesklower7281]

In Australia we have the apprentice scheme for all trades because to be licensed in any trade you have to go through an apprenticeship

[@rmsdiagnostics]

we used to have some amazing schemes over here even when I was training, unfortunately now we get peoples mums contacting us asking if we can give the youngster a try🙈🙈. we want the youngsters that have had oil on their hands since a kid from repairing their own field bike of go karts but I honestly think them days have gone.

[@dan44zzt231]

I've looked after loads of apprentices over the years. 9/10 have worked out great, done their 4 years day release at College and still work in industry now. The hard part is finding stuff to keep them busy for the first couple of years when their still learning the basics, but they usually get better bit by bit over time. There's no harm in having them watch what your doing like you said and hopefully they'll ask loads of pertinent questions. I always try to explain to them the principles behind why we do things how we do, rather than just showing them how to do a 'task' so if something is different next time they can understand how the system works rather than just remembering what i showed them last time to fix it. In return they get less resentful about doing some of the housekeeping stuff that they'll inevitably have to do at some point. Some people are just better and more patient teachers than others, so I don't think blaming 'kids of today' or whatever is true at all, the one's with bad attitudes shouldn't get through the interview.

[@rmsdiagnostics]

he has been pushing to work for me for a while and now he has lost some days at his old place of work it’s worth giving him a try,if he continues the way he is I think he will be a asset

[@dan44zzt231]

@@rmsdiagnostics he sounds like a good lad 👍 finding someone with the right work ethic and good attitude is 99% of the battle

[@funkypumps1970]

I have sold batteries for almost four decades would not touch a Lion 🤫 great channel.

[@rmsdiagnostics]

thank you,I bet you find it hard to keep your standards up with people just looking at the price?

[@G7IQJUK]

GOT mate who works in recovery . YEP had few issuies with LION batterys pref yusa/ bosh myself . FORD FOCUS CLUSTERS , pain not always dry joints on 32 pin connection socket .

[@rmsdiagnostics]

we hate lion Batterys,we do loads of these focus clusters now

[@HK.Builds]

Really enjoying these videos

[@rmsdiagnostics]

Glad you like them! jobs a carrot

[@MrSimplesimon007]

I agree my C3 1.6hdi is quite easy to understand, however my jaguar i pace fills me with dread...

[@rmsdiagnostics]

I bet it does😂😂you had it long?

[@MrSimplesimon007]

@@rmsdiagnostics about 10mth, it's flagged up traction battery fault ebs fault, think it's linked to the traction battery fault, H448 I think or H441, it's a safety recall apparently, on the ipace forum the guys on there say it'll need some new cells, it's something that the vast majority of people cannot carry out, the current swing of the 90kwh output at 400v as we know if you get a belt, it's deadly, as far as I'm aware it's something like 35 cells wired in series to produce 1 big cell, anyway it's taken 3 mth to get it in at jaguar, goes in on the 21st of this month, when I took it in may the first thing they said was you can't have a courtesy car!!! That's york jaguar

[@chrisdunbar9831]

Iv found alot of french cars show a bsi fault when scanned when looking into other faults. Also can be confusing on non starts as most the time it isnt the bsi thats caused it to not start. Havent got my head around the bsi faults yet and havent found anywhere good to learn about it yet

[@rmsdiagnostics]

we used to do a lot of Bsi faults on the early partners etc but now not so much🥕🥕

[@Gneeznow]

I started an apprenteship about 20 years ago, they had me sweeping the floors and cleaning the toilets for 6 months. I quit and started an apprenteship somewhere else and they treated me extremely badly too. Needless to say I didn't continue with it! Apprentices get a bad deal as often as mechanics get bad apprentices to be honest

[@rmsdiagnostics]

this young lad has been asking me for any type of work for months and I as adamant I would not take on another youngster. he then found himself without work,I offered him some work doing the tidying and to help my other lad out when I go on holiday for the first half of August,he has impressed me so much with his work ethic and attitude I have offered to give him a trial to become my apprentice after he has his own 2weeks holiday in the last 2 weeks of August, if he can get to grips with the electrical side that is great, if he doesn’t he can decide if he wants to carry on doing the videos and house keeping and being a assistant for the company.,hope this clears things up.

[@elbuggo]

@@rmsdiagnostics Tell him to watch all Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics videos while he is on holiday!

[@rmsdiagnostics]

yeah I like his stuff, have a look at mechanic mindset, I going to buy him the course they run, it’s a yearly subscription with tests along the way I think

[@brianhunt9026]

I think you have picked a good lad and he has picked a good boss. Good luck to both of you.

[@samuesoeilyoriy6581]

french made the best small car diesel back in the 80s ...

[@rmsdiagnostics]

I still drive a 205d daily

[@DDDprinting]

I had a 309 Goodwood with the XU9DT diesel engine in it, wasn't too sad to be fair!

[@stiggyness1976]

Peugeot/Citroen diesel engines are very reliable, just make sure the timing belt and water pump is done on time. I've got a 2 litre hdi C4 and it's on 154k miles and still going strong. Yes they suffer from egr issues, especially the 1.6 hdi but the parts are cheap and if you have Diagbox you can fix most things yourself if you know how to use it.

[@PJ-om2wq]

I used to own a 607. The main thing with them was to always wait for the BSI to shut down properly before disconnecting the battery. I never had any electronic issues with mine.

[@rmsdiagnostics]

yep incorrect shut down would kill it most times

[@PJ-om2wq]

@@rmsdiagnostics The early Citroen C5 was exactly the same. Probably the same BSI module.

[@volt8684]

I love French cars too especially older ones

[@rmsdiagnostics]

my daily driver is a 205d

[@bwoo6223]

It's almost like the Formentioned, are thinking like intelligent design, modular systems keeps costs down

[@rmsdiagnostics]

it’s not a bad system to be honest

[@andrewforsyth4799]

Hi just come across your channel ,I've got a peugeut partner its got seat belt light and hand brake light on with the stop light,I'm thinking waters got inside and shorted. Thanks

[@rmsdiagnostics]

they don’t suffer that much with water

[@James.984haid]

If you take an ecm from lets say a 2011 Citroen Berlingo 1.6 hdi, can you just put it in a 2011 Peugeot Partner 1.6 hdi and it will work without having to program it?

[@rmsdiagnostics]

unfortunately not and the psa type programming is a one time thing, the bsi and the engine ecu have to be set to a virgin state before programming, it’s the only downfall in the systems they run

[@stevemcgowan3017]

hi my wife’s 308 mk1 headlight went off after heavy rain had just passed mot.i checked fuse bulb and green relay by fuse box under hood.going try unplug fuse box see if any corrosion.maybe run new wire to headlight from fuse 18 is it right headlight .i see used bsi fuse box quite cheap if needed

[@rmsdiagnostics]

check power to fuses and the plugs for water ingress

[@stevemcgowan3017]

@ hi if i plug the 308hdi fuse box to check it for water ingress can i just plug it back in without doing reset or entering a code ? its 2010 model hdi 1.6

[@mcjjordan]

When i attempted to take on an apprentice i couldnt find any courses in the uk ..🤷🏼‍♂️was told would need to train myself & pay them minimum wage instead of apprentices wage.

[@rmsdiagnostics]

we have had to do the same mate

[@capitanvonchickenpants8492]

Please what are equivalents to seems units for belt tension?

[@rmsdiagnostics]

sorry how do you mean?

[@IanPowell1985]

I guess you have experienced the mirrors not folding out and a fog light error after unlocking the car. due to a faulty BPGA unit in front or top of the battery. I have had this with my C4 2016 and replaced it then after two years it has started to do it again.

[@rmsdiagnostics]

was it a new unit you fitted?

[@IanPowell1985]

@@rmsdiagnostics yes it was new but has started to do it again. I heard it might be the solid State relay or something. It's very annoying indeed

[@Hadesdetecting]

Scare cam lol,good workshop banter is a must.Good to see things are improving,'do something today that makes your life easier tomorrow'....well done on smashing through 1k.🎉

[@rmsdiagnostics]

thanks mate, also just hit the 4k watch hours. now I can relax and just keep pushing the workshop forward and see where it takes us

[@Hadesdetecting]

@@rmsdiagnostics double whammy nice!Your new lad seems to have the motivation which is the basis you can start from.Enjoy your time away look forward to what's coming

[@trevormansfield6495]

Agreed. Those Lion batteries are shit

[@rmsdiagnostics]

yeah had a few now

[@MichaelSmith-wr5pj]

As a former citroen diag tech i disagree slightly 😂 they dont use the same colour wiring anywhere on the vehicle on the new stuff and then the models that are like toyota rebrands the diagrams and documentation at dealer level is horrific, its japanese then translated to french then to english, its also whatever they have laying around to make looms, then they print ultra small writing on the wiring you can only see with the hubble telescope 😂 and then theres the quality... wiring on new ones go brittle after 9months of normal british weather due to a change in the wiring and their coatings in recent years. Then theres how awkward the BCM's are to unplug and check fuses etc lol other than that, they are great 😂 always guaranteed work from a french car too!

[@rmsdiagnostics]

apart from that they are lovely 😂😂🥕🥕

[@m_lockwood-tj9kv]

I’m sure there’s a central locking kit out there that will fit ,master module with slave motors etc.

[@rmsdiagnostics]

if the motors in the door are still working a remote upgrade kit is the way to just trigger the actuators, I’m just about to put on in my Rs turbo van, but it’s not the sort of thing I do for customers

[@johnbridges7477]

Try getting a wiring diagram for 2023 Renault Captur

[@rmsdiagnostics]

I will have a look

[@johnbridges7477]

@@rmsdiagnostics thank you

[@theweekthatis]

I think that wiring diagram is wrong, K-Line goes to the radio and several other modules, as well as the CAN gateway. As the A4 platform got continued on for a while, later cars had more CAN, but the 2002 will still be predominately K-Line for diagnostics. On a 2002 TT Roadster it goes to Instruments (J285), ABS (J104), Climate (E87), ECM (J220), Airbag (J234), Central Locking (J429), Radar Interior Monitoring Control Module (G303), Range Control (J431), Haldex (J492) and the Radio (R).

[@rmsdiagnostics]

it is auto data so could be wrong but it showed what I needed to explain it to the young lad, I will be looking it up on alldata but it does line up with a late registered 2001 model not the next one up

[@theweekthatis]

@@rmsdiagnostics I think all of them up until end of production still got K-Line to radio and Haldex.

[@theweekthatis]

In fact, I'd go as far as to say that all diagnostics on Mk1 (8N) TT is K-Line, right up to the end in 2006. I might be wrong on that, but Alldata is showing a K-Line at the ABS on 2004 on.

[@philliplopez8745]

Worked on cars and appliances all my life , drove a french car once , that was enough . Worked on a french range oven once , that was enough .

[@leneanderthalien]

Incompréhensible message

[@rmsdiagnostics]

they are great

[@octymocty132]

Ok then can you help i have a pos ds4 which will not run after a rebuild when the wet belt snapped it was at one garrage for 8months and still not running to this day the pos

[@rmsdiagnostics]

I don’t like picking up the pieces of another garage,are you local?

[@zoidberg444]

Interesting. I don't know a massive amount about French vehicles. Out of curiosity did Renault learn anything from Nissan when it comes to electrical systems or are they an absolute black hole of despair from where there is no escape?

[@loc4725]

I'd never buy a Nissan now. Sad as they used to make some really good cars.

[@colinhamer6506]

Renault have totally destroyed all what Japanese Nissan was built on. It's a shame that Nissan or any of the Japanese companies aren't leading the way

[@rmsdiagnostics]

definitely take a bit of a back step.

[@alan67676]

Headlight leveling module full of water, on the TT

[@rmsdiagnostics]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen one,where they located?

[@alan67676]

@@rmsdiagnostics center of the vechicle go in though the panel , behind the drivers seat

[@rmsdiagnostics]

Watch tonight video 😂😂 thanks for the pointer👌

[@Number1HeadlightRestoration]

👏🏼👏🏼

[@rmsdiagnostics]

thank you mate

[@Semi0ffGrid7]

So what happens on a Friday?

[@rmsdiagnostics]

we close on a Friday or do you mean what do I do on a Friday?

[@Dabayare]

Because rhey always had electrical problems. I had a Citroen Xzara where the wires were just running the foot rests without protection. One day I went shopping for paint cans and put them down only to have airbag and so many other lights come on the dashboard.

[@rmsdiagnostics]

they do have a bad reputation for electrical faults I agree

[@CentaurUK90]

I suspect the reason he finds it easy is because they both seem to suffer from Electrical faults which appear to be built in at the factories, It's why they appear at the top of unreliable vehicles along with Fiat, Jeep and some others.

[@rmsdiagnostics]

we won’t work on jeeps as they are always set up different and hard to get parts and information so I will not even book them in,although the French are in reliable they are constantly unreliable and that helps😂

[@DDDprinting]

If you like working on french tin so much, how much to retrofit central locking on my Renault 5 turbo 😂

[@rmsdiagnostics]

I would rather shove wasps up my own backside than do that type of work, #fixernotfitter 😂

[@BBS_Robski]

​@@rmsdiagnostics kinky..........

[@DDDprinting]

@@rmsdiagnostics fix my existing central locking then please mate 😂

[@rmsdiagnostics]

snookered Sherv 🙈

[@CASHSEC]

Tried hard to get a goof final car. Now Renault have produced a non standard modular electrical system. This must change or the whole car industry will collapse. All that material lost to scrap because of manufacture policy and stupid Global Economy. Need to create an organisation to stop computerised cars.

[@jsautosolutions]

Gonna have to start charging that kuga rent by now

[@rmsdiagnostics]

kvm turning up early next week will see what happens 🤞

[@gilberesrepairs]

Surely an apprentice is there to learn, rather than tidy your yard up?

[@rmsdiagnostics]

this young lad has been asking me for any type of work for months and I as adamant I would not take on another youngster. he then found himself without work,I offered him some work doing the tidying and to help my other lad out when I go on holiday for the first half of August,he has impressed me so much with his work ethic and attitude I have offered to give him a trial to become my apprentice after he has his own 2weeks holiday in the last 2 weeks of August, if he can get to grips with the electrical side that is great, if he doesn’t he can decide if he wants to carry on doing the videos and house keeping and being a assistant for the company.,hope this clears things up.

[@gilberesrepairs]

@@rmsdiagnostics That sheds some light on it. 👍 It sounded in the vid as if you’d got an apprentice and were using him to do the gardening 😂 Let’s hope he picks it up 🙏

[@rmsdiagnostics]

he best hope so or he is back on the weeding😂😂 in all seriousness if he can’t pick up the electrical testing trade he will still be a asset to me by helping me keeping the business smooth and maybe the content creation👌

[@gilberesrepairs]

@@rmsdiagnostics Yep, not that simple understanding car electrics these days. More electronics than electrics 👍 Keep up the good work.

[@WidowUK]

No way are they easy I’ve got a 2012 citreon c5 with a heater issue so far it’s had a new blower motor and the control resistor that goes in the side of the heater. When you first start the car you can control the heater blower speed then it defaults to a fixed setting and you can’t turn it off. The coder reader is saying it’s the heater motor but it’s a brand new motor and I’ve tested the old one and it’s not drawing many amps same as the new one. So I disagree with there easy fix.

[@rmsdiagnostics]

that is why you are struggling you are trying to fix a fault with a scan tool instead of knowledge,if you manage to find a process that help you identify the fault on your car you will have a good understanding of many models in the range,unlike other makes that change the complete system on every year and model

[@user-bz9cb8bp2y]

My citroen, 100 %reliable... Had it 8 years... Done 230000 miles... And the cost to buy £100.😂

[@rmsdiagnostics]

great cars

[@DDDprinting]

I had a lion battery on my caravan, load of shite!

[@rmsdiagnostics]

never much cop mate