Discussing Privilege with a Fan - Destiny Debates

[@Moochewmoo]

Ugh guys fixing something is hard, so let's just leave it broken.

[@tmsphere]

Waah it may hurt the top 1% waah

[@adamgarlington2190]

Maybe that's what he was saying but my belief on these big issues is that there are always going to be unseen issues when you start changing things and these issues could be massive and once you change a system this big and you turn out to be wrong you may have just stifled an entire generation and maybe the next and the next until you get it right.

[@williameblen3474]

@@adamgarlington2190 plus the whole eat the rich plan is about dragging people down and not about elevating the bottom.

[@gatlinkeaton9502]

Pro trick: you can watch movies on Flixzone. Been using them for watching a lot of movies during the lockdown.

[@brantleyjoaquin3238]

@Gatlin Keaton Definitely, have been using Flixzone for months myself :)

[@OriginLinear]

This guy keeps trying to make the argument about what the most extreme lefty SJWs say about white privalage. This is a complete strawman of Destiny's argument. The argument is that, on aggregate, white people have more privilege is certain respects (but not necessarily all respects) than black people, or other non-whites. That's NOT to say that ALL white people are more privileged, however, which is the strawman that this guy keeps trying to force on the argument. There most certainly are some white people who are very under privileged, and even less privileged than some black or non-white people.

[@Psychedlia98]

Even then it depends on the circumstance a white Person will have a Social privialge, but class wise or education wise they might not have the same as the other race depending who we are comparing it to

[@SubscribersWithoutAnySubscribe]

"The argument" is a racial generalisation, you can make the same argument for any racial stereotype. "More people of x race on average do [insert stereotype]".

[@Septiviumexe]

Well said. Like this is an example that I heard a while back but am not sure about the statistics following it, whites seem to have a higher rate of suicide. Whether that is scaled with the population or not I am unsure, I just heard it from someone. I'd say that is a privilege blacks seem to have over whites though I do feel a bit uncomfortable throwing out a blanket statement like that without knowing all the details. There could possibly be something more indepth about this im not seeing, I'll have to look deeper to see what's going on.

[@tarisco614]

So we should bring all the whites down to the intellectual level of a black as some sort of what, social or cultural welfare? Give me a fucking break. That's how you end up with Brazil.

[@MrLolMachine11]

Tony614 I dont think anyone here argued that, you’re throwing arguments at an invisible boogieman

[@WilcoWes]

"I don't judge a woman for getting an abortion; I just think she needs to go to prison :3"

[@onrev]

@56:00 in Destiny finally realizes this guy is talking about Privilege as a binary. That either you are or are not this tier level of "privilege" The entirety of discussion was using language like "to an extent" or "in this particular case" and yet this guy constantly conflates it as a 2 tier binary system, with either not privileged, or privileged in totality. Need to go slower and define terms at the beginning.

[@Septiviumexe]

It's too common these days to see people succumb to the lowly form of categorical thinking, it doesn't ever help when an argument starts like that especially in politics. It's a shame that people still try to debate like this and are so strongly indented in their belief without breaking it down.

[@Alucitary]

people make fun of Destiny for putting words in people's mouths, but goddamn this guy was stuffing words so far down Destiny's throat he was choking on them. I feel like Destiny was more baffled this debate than anything. The dude spoke just fast and concise enough to totally catch destiny off guard, and get him to concede where he really shouldn't have.

[@smd9915]

this guy is a fucking fucking stupid

[@thorguy2515]

I know right

[@Yoshsterpalooza]

Alucitary bahahaha so ur mad this guy comes in, reasonably debunks white privilege, beats destiny in a debate, and talks “fast” even though that’s exactly what destiny does too? Does destiny not talk fast?

[@hdudidi]

Long Dick Jones “debunks”

[@Yoshsterpalooza]

We are Doomed no it isn’t dishonest, if they cannot agree on definitions then the discussion can’t be had. How is this dishonest? Is everything you don’t like an opponent doing apparently dishonest?

[@OG-zr3bw]

22:00 Private schools have absolutely NOT been proven to improve much of anything unless your perspective is that of a person of great privilege. Look at the countries where private schools are banned, they rate at the very TOP of all countries for their education systems.

[@paigejane173]

The main problem with his argument is that Income distribution is not an evenly distributed curve. There are FAR more people at the bottom than there are at the top. The median of a positively skewed curve falls much further left than the mean.

[@GamesGaloreVideos]

Can we have a Exskillme warning at the beginning of these videos please. I almost died from a panic attack.

[@demisaysstuff]

Privilege, when referring to it in the negative sense, are advantages that are unearned. That's what the guy here seemed to struggle in understanding. Destiny's wealth as a result of his career is not privilege. Destiny's whiteness is privilege. Destiny's white privilege may have contributed to his ability to forge this career and generate wealth. His son's wealth and whiteness are both 'privilege.' At least that's how I've always viewed it.

[@ArtKrishnamurti]

Exactly.

[@ruppelspoopels]

The guy understands that, he's just a slimy libertarian that believes the strong can abuse the weak for as long as they are strong. What makes it even worse is that he sensitive to the point of weakness. So his argument is against his own personal beliefs.

[@T9Parker]

You know the discussion is old when Destiny is rank 113 in PUBG

[@Ormusn2o]

Yeah, fuck off buddy we absolutely need more RNA duos. Fuckin every time this kid steps in the battleground someone dies. kids fuckin dirt nasty man. Does fuckin steel_tv have 14 kills this season I dont fuckin think so bud. I'm fuckin tellin ya RN "Military Man" A is pottin 50 in '17 fuckin callin it right now. Clap bombs, fuck moms, wheel, snipe, and fuckin celly boys fuck

[@sdrawkcabmodnar]

Ormus seek help

[@ruppelspoopels]

@@sdrawkcabmodnar hahahahaha

[@jacobinite2384]

It's always great when two white men can both come together to agree that abortions should be illegal/punished.

[@sparksradio1743]

Jacobinite this is old but still stupid, people often consider solutions to problems and tribulations that do not affect them directly. Two white men can speak on abortion, your sarcasm is misplaced

[@sorensamsami5321]

Destiny believes abortion should be legal btw

[@cripplingautism5785]

neurotypical privilege is real.

[@nr1skiller]

Explain. ^^

[@TheFreshTrumpet]

Rasmus Andersson life is significantly easier for the average person without a mental disorder compared to the average person with a disorder? Privilege basically just means “lack of hardships”

[@Worr]

1:20:10 Let's hope Steven's kid never watches this video one day.

[@mrboiardo1176]

Lol

[@funguy1938]

wealthy areas actually often have very low property tax rates but the property values are so much higher that the town/county has much more money to put into schools. rich people don't like paying high taxes on their mansions

[@Rogkun]

I wish people would lose a finger every time they wanted to engage a semantic debate purely on the basis of proving a fucking point. I also wish a pepperoni pizza materialized on my desk each time someone lost a hand this way.

[@mBluett]

You don't want to eat that pepperoni.

[@Vinzaf]

I don't understand why Destiny pays minor lip service to bodily autonomy.

[@shadiebat2136]

The way I view privilege is that first some people on the left tried to talk about oppression - these people are oppressed because they don't get to have the same opportunities as others, they lack the options, the representations, the fundings etc. Then some people on the right were like "WTF are you saying that we're oppressing them? There's no oppression going on in the USA, that's crazy. Everyone is equal under the law!" Then people on the left adapted, and instead started using the concept of privilege - If you are privileged, you have certain advantages that other people lack, that allow you to more easily succeed in life. Optimally, we would like all people to have these advantages and lift others up. And now some fringe crazies on the left are using the word "privilege" as a slur to accuse others of not having to put effort into their life, instead of the way it's supposed to be used. And a lot of people on the right are expanding that to the whole left, and saying "What do you mean I'm privileged?! I'm not evil, and I've worked hard for everything I have! Calling someone privileged is like oppression! Real privilege is not being called privileged!" I recently watched the South Park episode where Stan's dad is the "Niggerguy", and I feel like it's not only very funny, but also highlights some of these things. If you have privilege in a certain area, it can be hard to see what it's like for people who don't have it.

[@iSunmonkey]

A white guy, likely born into a middle-high income house, engaged to a medical student, is a right winger???? wtf???? But actually one of the better conversations in a while. The best part was the agreed exasperation at the end where they each tried to describe the extremists on the other side

[@steppebro]

How is that surprising exactly?

[@iSunmonkey]

Are you familiar with sarcasm?

[@bakunaut6255]

Dude this guy needs to read about intersectionality if he's interested in this stuff

[@jjmah7]

Guy hates the word ‘privilege’ for some odd reason.

[@TheFreshTrumpet]

N-word Surfer if you think that’s bad, imagine living on the shit end of the privilege debate and being constantly told “I’m not privileged, you just need to stop victimizing yourself.” If it’s between being privileged and having to deal with people calling you privileged, vs not being privileged, having to deal with all that bs, and getting gaslit whenever you try to talk about it? Easy choice for me. This is why it’s a tad difficult for me to empathize with your perspective; it feels like anti-SJWs and skeptics only care about this issue as far as it affects them.

[@finalcipher457]

"What's an example of a typical person's privilege?" Moments later: "See that's your problem, you're saying typical people are privileged" Because he bloody asked for him to say that

[@confuciuscubed]

Destiny, why do you let him completely mischaracterize your argument the whole debate? It's very frustrating.

[@smitty7326]

Here's the short story that destiny mentioned, where people wear shit to bring the smartest and strongest down to the lowest. It's a vonnegut story and it's very short :3. It's called Harrison Bergeron, and you can find the full text online.

[@PleyVi]

I think I'm too early, I was trying to look at comments but there aren't any...

[@xXMisterTempestXx]

This dude hates the poor.

[@emeryboehnke4259]

PROBLEM in Destiny's argument here (though I get why he says what he does.) It is more understood now that we SHOULD put all people through the same education/classes, but give people the resources they need to succeed. It's a very small distinction, but I think the research is there to push people away a bit from special education specific classes and more into paraeducators or other resources.

[@pixelbath2131]

being pro-life is ignorant af because these people never take into account the effect on a child born into an inadequate home. foster care can be a good outcome for some but not in all cases and many children are neglected and abused. your literally preferencing the imaginary suffering/right to life of a fetus over the tangible and life long suffering of a human being which is straight up immoral.

[@Yoshsterpalooza]

teachdontpreach but then you are quantifying life in your arbitrary point of view in that a child born into a foster home won’t every enjoy life and will probably never enjoy life so let’s kill it now without their consent and not allow them to live.... Great line of reasoning dude. What if someone told you they thought you have a shitty life and would kill u one day without any consent in your sleep to put you out of your misery because of their personal view of how enjoyable they perceive your life to be and therefore that somehow justifies them to take a life because they believe they will be doing you a favor by ending your life, because they believe you will never understand enjoyment or fulfillment. Do u see why this is a warped view? Imagine someone said “let’s kill black people because a lot of them obviously don’t enjoy life being born into shitty neighborhoods, so let’s kill them because we’d be doing them a favor” Like what?😂

[@funky4ndrey]

you are the second youtuber that i found that actually has a spine. i would love to talk with you sometime

[@BoneBll]

This guy doesn't understand distributions. Not all distributions fall along a bell curve. So this is already damaging him approach and analysis.

[@greatmatt301]

hot nigga damn, this guy really has to take a look at the schooling system of like Norway (i think) and the success they have with public only schooling.

[@TheRepublicOfUngeria]

If you take a 15 down to a 14 to bring a 5 up to a 10, you have actually INCREASED the average level from 10 to 12, so you actually refuted his point without even realizing it. Poor people become better people the less poor they are, society becomes more efficient. His entire premise is simply faulty. Higher wealth has incredibly diminishing returns because it only provides incredibly small degrees of incentive for uniquely talented people to do the necessary things they need to do for optimal social benefit. But lower wealth has MASSIVE returns because it makes poor people WAY better off than they were before in absurd factors.

[@stuartp2006]

At around 40:00, there's a discussion about improving poor schools wrt. privilege. Firstly, I'm not sure you can discount a social theory because you don't like the outcomes. Secondly, the education system is HEAVILY skewed towards the poor. The number of people in "good" schools is vastly smaller than the number of people in "bad" schools. Thus, his claim of attempting to "shift the curve" is almost exactly just helping the poor bad schools. He just doesn't conflate the two, which is technically if not practically correct.

[@v5red]

I would suggest that people should stop using the term privilege. It plays well in the circles where people already believe in it, but you are not going to gain much traction with the people whose minds you seek to change. The term comes off as insulting, telling people that everything they have is unearned. I would suggest people stick with terms that are generally palatable like discrimination or disadvantage. If you talk about how people get unfairly poor treatment as opposed to accusing people of having a leg up in everything discussions will be more productive.

[@BubblegumCrash332]

Wait he doesn’t like a system where poor neighborhoods have bad schools and rich neighborhoods have really good schools.no one said freedom is fair this is a problem with ALL systems

[@lucasschrofner]

if destiny believes the right to life was inalienable, then how could he be in favor of killing tribes people who cant reciprocate social contracts?

[@DuppyBoii187]

Because they don't respect his right to life. He believes he has the right to kill somebody who threatens his life.

[@lucasschrofner]

Ben 123 except that doesnt rly work if you believe that the right to life is intrinsic and inalienable.maybe im misinterpreting what he means by those words.

[@elamamkoulu3871]

S E M A N T I C S

[@mr.orca3251]

"My fiance is a med student" -person who doesn't believe in privilege --> "My wife is a doctor" -another person who doesn't believe in privilege

[@zac246]

I think this was the most reasonable and intelligent person Destiny has debated yet.

[@steppebro]

Shkreli is smart af

[@berndernlottet8077]

Shkreli isn't the dumbass here if that's what you think.

[@toastfire2007]

Berndern Lottet Dude, was that Shkreli?

[@jessiejoy1703]

No way #mistermetokur

[@khadi7454]

What is being defined as intelligence? He didnt understand half the concepts he was griping about

[@cronizle]

I've literally never heard a real person ever talk about white privilege as anything other than marginally different treatment that manifests from racial bias. This includes equity and social justice leaders.

[@dontknowdontcare2531]

"Date recorded: April 26, 2017" wth, why upload this now?

[@harpoon2445]

30:00 Oh wait, so you mean that we should fund all public schools equally from public money and all public schools should be brought up to a good minimum level? That sounds ridiculous!

[@XxMeatShakexX]

The dude spent so much time on some definitions but then doesnt define shit like "intelligence" what does he mean by that? Mental speed? Memory? Capacity? Theres a lot of measures and intelligence is a very vague concept on its own.

[@dantan1249]

There is privilege but we shouldn’t try to negate biological advantage.if someone has a 180iq, I want that mind free to work and develop new tech or medical innovation. I just need people to stop equalizing each other’s situations. If you got a free car when you were 16 then don’t compare yourself to someone that had to work for it and had to walk to work for miles for a year to afford their car. That car bought you time and saved you money.

[@ownagemunky]

This whole discussion was arguing definition of privilege, they both agree otherwise

[@gersubdenis6724]

This guys needs to go off twitter more often

[@SilentHobo]

Is this Martin Shkreli?

[@noah.11.11.]

46:52 for white privilege

[@millenniumcat]

public schools dont have to be held accountable for their curriculum and dont have to participate in the same testing rigor as public schools... yikes

[@millenniumcat]

also theyre an insult to education since you need pretty much no credentials to teach at most private schools meanwhile you need degrees, certificates, and to pass multiple tests to become a public school teacher and maintain these credentials every so many years

[@millenniumcat]

also this guys an idiot by ignoring the sheer number of schools qualified for title one. title one schools are usually in the majority and what would be considered a "typical" education, especially when you consider the number of students in attendance

[@Holy_Grapefruit]

Why do you keep calling these Debates? These are discussions, you don't have a mediator, several topics, and intro with your standpoint at the main topic at hand. This is merely a discussion.

[@lexort4204]

priv·i·lege /ˈpriv(ə)lij/ noun 1. a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people. "education is a right, not a privilege" synonyms:advantage, benefit; More verb FORMAL 1. grant a privilege or privileges to. "English inheritance law privileged the eldest son"

[@lexort4204]

@D.K your a fucking idiot, go type in privilege on google for the definition and you will see its copied word for word thus im not making any statement you fucktard.

[@lordlynkz]

At 4:44 this conversation goes awry...

[@langa77777]

The schooling conversation was fantastic. Really got a lot out of that area.

[@Tamaxlia]

Does he realise this is the exact education system in Finland. Finland also has state funded childcare so parents can work. The country with the best education in the world.

[@0hate9]

holy bad faith actor, batman!

[@caeruleusaurum1550]

He doesn't like the word privilege.

[@greatmatt301]

Also people who talk about legalizing drugs (i assume every drug) have obviously never had a drug addict in their family.

[@xXMisterTempestXx]

They're going to get addicted to something either way. At least they won't spend life in jail. Instead they should go to rehab. Fund rehab.

[@greatmatt301]

I'm 100% down for more funding to go into rehabilitation (Portugal's system is amazing), but as a person with a meth addict in the family i can say personally their actions effect everyone. You become scared when he knocks on the door if you don't answer hes going to kick it down, if you answer he's going to beg for money or something and if he doesn't get it he'll threaten you and put a hole in your wall beside your head or steal your possessions. you see their chase with the police in the new paper and a part of you hoped that he would have crashed or the cops shoot him then you feel terrible for thinking that way about your sibling. you worry for the mother that birthed them because saying goodbye to any child good or bad is a terrible thing to have to go through. And the worse part about it, they don't even want to help themselves. it should be the addict going through the hardach not the family no?

[@DubhghlasMacDubhghlas]

Charter schools under preform public schools. charter schools are private schools.

[@Slavkod]

www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/charters-not-outperforming-nations-traditional-public-schools-report-says/2013/06/24/23f19bb8-dd0c-11e2-bd83-e99e43c336ed_story.html?.7204db4e6218

[@someidiot125]

Your definition for "alive" in the case of abortion is a tad off.

[@stuartsmith4369]

This guy has discovered intersectionality! Sweet!

[@pureevilclutch]

In my country we fund public schools based on students signed into schools. And some funds from the Ministry of education, science and sports that you can ask for to invest and build/repair if needed. And they can also ask Eu and local municipalities for funds. We have one mixed professional board for making public curriculum and one for making the per students head funding number each year. Even private schools need to have public curriculum and all kids need to attend it. Still private schools are cancer. Only private universties kinda make sense to allow. Not any lower education. Its kinda sad to listen to this, but nice debate memes no less.

[@pureevilclutch]

Im from the greatest of all biggly big countrys and its called Republic of Slovenia. Kek.

[@pureevilclutch]

tnx

[@jordant7207]

Not sure if dumb or disingenuous.... I cracked one part of this kids code, he uses "society" to mean "white people in my neighborhood "

[@Psychedlia98]

Common core is shit but what Destiny said could happen will be even worst

[@Psychedlia98]

I disagree I think in terms of racial Social issues the rich black man is still at a disadvantage than the white and that in the finacial stance the black person has more privialge than the poor whit Person

[@Psychedlia98]

In a way to ignore this is class reductionism

[@Heroprotag]

Could you argue that abortion would be self-defense?

[@abysmalgod]

this is fuckin martin shkreli lmao

[@bernardosax]

This guy isn't actually a complete idiot. Wow.

[@DuppyBoii187]

This dude just keeps agreeing that if your white all else equal you have a better time in areas of life, then says you can't say white people are more privileged in this area. All of his issues with privilege are with ultra radical leftists and that he strictly only believes their definitions are the ones that people mean. He's so sure everybody is saying "your only successful because you're privileged" but almost nobody is saying that.

[@alexwoolard4052]

I didn’t agree with pretty much anything homeboy said but he said it much better than anyone else on the other side of the aisle has in my humble opinion

[@yestheycan]

Back when speedy D was pro life

[@thisaccountisdead9060]

What the Dickens!?

[@smd9915]

Everytime Destiny catches this guy he changes the question or definition. talking to people like this isn't fruitful he's just trying to have a gotcha moment.

[@CaptainBagman]

In Germany most education is public.

[@Booya131]

Affirmative Action doesnt just help black people, it helps asians, and hispanics too but apparently it helps white women more SoDoge.

[@DaiQibao]

Affirmative Action is a privilege.

[@abellpepper6169]

1:56:43 - 1:56:53

[@MetalliCxZero]

this guy literally lost at the 2 minute mark lmfao

[@noah.11.11.]

59:30

[@MrTlong2010]

Did Destiny say that nudity laws are fine because the majority of people are offended by nudity? So if the majority of people are offended by women out of their burqas, should we mandate that women wear burqas?

[@minky2396]

56:00

[@ownagemunky]

TALK ABOUT THE SHKRELMAN

[@Moochewmoo]

please pre-screen everyone who calls with the autism test tia

[@thorguy2515]

I can't stand the dude on the other end

[@FleivaSleiva]

Dope

[@howitbe4670]

Ben Shapiro would destroy u