Discussion on Miracles: A fallacy against God | Mufti Abu Layth

Mufti Abu Layth discusses with a guest on Mufti's Meetup in regards to miracles.

[@crood7647]

I feel more attracted to Islam... Every time I see his talks

[@jenny-DD]

I feel reconfirmed to be a revert - ever more Everytime- I see Mufti- my Faith in Allah is stronger What a sensible Mufti

[@Acesinz]

Mashallah May Allah Bless you and your loved ones with happiness, prosperity in this life & the hereafter

[@sasuke.7251]

Mufti abu layth is a gem to this Ummah

[@ainaltair3217]

We live in a wonderful time when it is easier to understand or comprehend some of the verses, yet most people don't want to see and appreciate...summum, bukmun, umyun

[@hsmaruf86]

Oh my God!!! It was a Extraordinary deep explanation from Mufti. you are a really special gift for modern Islamic era. Keep your effort and enlighten the rusty Islamic world which has been poisoned since after our beloved prophet's death.

[@nadeemshoaib6747]

Definitely food for thought

[@webifyindonesia]

Very good, much love from Indonesia I hope in 10 years Mufti can still be true honest humble and happy, when he is more likable n popular than sh. Y. Q. some day I believe

[@theletterw3875]

Ameen

[@affarokurz1486]

may Allah protect you, Mufti, you doing it!!!!!!

[@hasansiddiqi91]

Mufti 🤩 this poor man was just not ready to let go of the dogma he’s been programmed with. This is was absolutely mind blowing

[@TqKazi93]

I really liked this lecture. MashAllah very eye opening

[@Lonzetta_3laama]

Salaam Mufti, I think I can speak for most of us when I say we greatly appreciate you giving us your time, especially in these more personal settings such as the Meet Up’s..Shout out to Light Within for his questions and adab with Mufti for hearing him out.. We’re all just in the pursuit of truth... Much Luv to both of you...

[@criticalrationalism975]

❤️💯

[@OAB9282]

Our mind's are limited. From now on my god has an elephant head. We can't question this, otherwise all hell breaks loose. Mufti you're doing it💚

[@All-Father88]

I wish I could give a 100 likes. Mufti absolutely killed it here. Have a blessed day! Love and respect everyone!

[@harrisdean8285]

Thoroughly enjoyed this! Go on Mufti!

[@Moon-gc2cv]

Masha Allah superb explanation Sheikh. May Allah reward you kathiran kathira. JazakAllah Khair.

[@fushiigso7145]

My favourite mindtrip for so far ❤️❤️❤️

[@7346908]

Mufti is a gem. He removed the false taboos and dogmas around Islam, without going against teachings of Quran. He is a gem. May Allah protect him from extremists and baboons who have a peanut size brain and force their version of Islam on others. Intolerant types like "Dr" Mohamed hijab and others.

[@rikisrh7354]

Subhanallah....Mufti somehow u open my eyes and now I'm addicted to your sensible and logical reasonings on the Quran....thx Mufti.

[@theletterw3875]

I appreciate that dj Khaled wasn't interrupting Mufti, he showed good ahqlaq

[@Forevertheprophecy]

So Mufti I follow your logic. And this might be like the best video you've ever done 😆

[@KS-dt7ug]

Amazing video, thank you Mufti

[@syedatayyaba8543]

We need persons like you in muftis world

[@OAB9282]

SubhannaLah Mufti is amazing💚💚💚.

[@mazhan6480]

Light within guy should get a basic education in logic, science and biology especially. The problem is even most so called scholars of Islam don't have an education in biology and mistakenly think evolution is the enemy.

[@zudupdudu]

If you have a background of science then the whole cosmos and the laws underpinning it feel more of a miracle. If you know biology then birth from an egg is a miracle. If you are interested in horticulture then sprouts is a miracle. Different coloured flowers 💐 and their fragrances are miraculous….it gives you a never ending feeling of alhamd emanating from deep within….. God said I will show you my signs in heavens and within your selves…. If only we can see it!!!!

[@criticalrationalism975]

This discussion has really recharged me! I am just so happy that we the people of reason have a representation amongst the islamic clergy. Thank you Mufti Abu Layth! You really hit it out the stadium with this one! ❤️💯👍🏼

[@obaidulhaque7687]

Do u prefer to see " Marvelous quran" channel by Dr. Hany Atchan

[@hammaadurrehman1459]

I love your adab man. May Allah bless you.

[@freedomreloaded2494]

The brother is not understanding the mufti's argument

[@theletterw3875]

He doesn't understand his own argument or the implications of the language he uses.

[@Tata-ps4gy]

May God bless you both, you had a beautiful conversation despite your differences. Few people can say the same

[@JanealamkhakiTV]

Fascinating discussion. Compliment both discussants highlighting the intellectual issues. Compliments for their patience and focusing on issues rather than on their personalities, loved them. The discussion seems to focus too much on literal and the discussion needs to bring in the whole discussion of the verses they are quoting as symbolic, metaphorical and with much more esoteric content. I found Mufti Layth very generally taking a more symbolic stance and he does that job well. I urge him to look at a work called "A'lam al-Nubuwwah" by Abu Hatim al-Razi that supports his arguments so well. Jan-e-Alam Khaki

[@syedatayyaba8543]

Amazing video glad we have you brother

[@justCommando]

Ah! Glad you uploaded this separately, it was a really good discussion.

[@samhangster]

this is your best video. You need to do more open debates, more lives, and also start a discord community.

[@lolyou6676]

Good job mufti 👍🏻

[@dreamflier]

Very good discussion....the Mufti really schooled Light Within on some points of the discussion esp touching on the laws of nature set up by God and how God has to operate within these laws. But kudos to Light Within for keeping cool throughout. Mufti was amazing here.

[@antonc81]

“If we evolved from a common ancestor with chimpanzees why do we still have chimpanzees?” - this question betrays a total lack of understanding of evolutionary theory. If you lack such basic understanding of what evolution is then you need to do much more research before you form an opinion on whether you accept it or not.

[@ainaltair3217]

Yep...science keeps changing. So, no need to read it into the Quran. But the language of Quran is such that it alludes to various interpretation. That doesn't mean it would effect the core beliefs and day to day life. However, no harm in studying and going along with scientific research and studies to the best of our understanding.

[@groznyentertainment]

Yea the brother is not knowledgeable on the subject, the initial subject was isa

[@muhammadabdulrahman6799]

It is like: if we have electric-powered trains why do we still have petrol-powered and coal-powered ones. He simply doesn't understand

[@muhdsyamil8298]

@@ainaltair3217 there are several problematic arguments here but I'll address the last one. The reason its hard for science to reconcile with religion is because of the fundamentals of their operations. Religion, regardless of how much reason you put into it, at some point crumbles because it requires human to make such a huge leap of faith. While science when you arrive at a point of not understanding you don't make such baseless claims. You make hypothesis and the beauty of this is its testable and can be proven wrong. This is the biggest difference that separates science and religion: religion assumes a conclusion, and bends everything to make it work. Eg. Isa was born without a father, no scientific evidence in the history of human being has this occurred before. But the Quran isn't wrong, science still hasn't figured it out yet. Thus, science does not refute Quran. I used to try reasoning with Islam as well a few years back, but I can't keep lying to myself, its impossible to do so.

[@ainaltair3217]

@@muhdsyamil8298 I see your point though I disagree. Science with axioms and hypotheses keeps evolving over time. Scientists themselves say things work we developed technology, yet we fully don't understand how it exactly works. The laws of gravity as we understood worked to send man to the moon, then there is a whole paradigm shift in understanding gravity. Anyway, from the Quran some may interpret or understand about Isa (AS) differently - Mufti has covered it. I have my understanding based on comparing commentaries in english by 3 different scholars. Anyway, each person ponders and reflects differently. Peace!

[@Tskyn]

OMG if you can get Firas Zahabi over that would be amazing Mufti ji.

[@yassiral31]

How do you respond to that verse? قَالَتْ أَنَّىٰ يَكُونُ لِي غُلَامٌ وَلَمْ يَمْسَسْنِي بَشَرٌ وَلَمْ أَكُ بَغِيًّا

[@interqward1]

You be careful, please, Mufti - because these guys will still kill you when they find you old and/or weak. They did it to great ancient scholars in the past and nothing has changed with the mindset involved.

[@aron3123]

You can see the guy struggling to comprehend, he’s adamant in blindly believing stuff he’s been fed. He wants to believe, things don’t have to make sense to him...

[@interqward1]

@@aron3123 That's it. 2020 and we still have this. And to think, the richness of the Arabic texts from Ibn Arabi, Al Tusi, al Khawarizmi... ...to name but a few. Shame. I don't even think that many people have actually READ al-Jawzi. He was brilliant - but totally nothing like what a lot of silly guys think he was like or think that he taught. What goes missing in too many discussions on KZbin, though not so much with Mufti Abu Layth, is the deep learned stuff. It's so interesting for real.

[@interqward1]

@Dhuku 10 Well, it will spread but he will continue to encounter powerful objections and a lot of animosity as well - he is already experiencing that; you can see from other videos.

[@K_12389]

Goodness mufti you have so much patience! If i spoke to that man i'd have a mental breakdown😂 What a fantastic topic! You are brilliant as ever.

[@Adrian-yf1zg]

Great discussion. Although not sure where in islamic text joseph is mentioned as husband of Maryam . What do you thinl about Jesus and Adam both being the similar in that they both have a Mother, and the "special" thing about them they were created without Human (male liquid)?

[@saraqostahterra4548]

Who says that they were not created with a father, or male human liquid as you said?

[@Adrian-yf1zg]

Another good point made in this video, is most muslims accept "big bang" type begining is not problematic. Why can't they allow for life starting (abiogenesis) by itself i.e. Allah allows for very very rare set of circumstances coming together to start life - maybe this single first life - could be interpreted as nafsin wahida (one being). Allah does not change his sunnan (way).

[@solsak836]

It is Sunnah not fard he can change it

[@zerakhu]

Love how flustered the guy gets when met with reason

[@Cokk9ine]

@@umaryounis4229 tell me one thing that he said that's baffling

[@gutts1405]

Mufti, what an absolutely fantastic debate. If was in the mindset of Light Within before I saw this when it was live, but you really changed the way I think. Thank you.

[@MASSAM9669]

Just because light didn't have an answer, doesn't mean there isnt. Keep balanced for now. Even I can refute some of his arguments, such as Esa being raised is against logic. Even his general argument of Allah being bound can be refuted.

[@gutts1405]

@@MASSAM9669 agreed. I'm not saying I'm fully switched over to Mufti's thoughts yet, but I mean I'm a little more open-minded

[@MASSAM9669]

@@gutts1405 Fair enough, the reason I'm even here myself is because I want to know how he thinks, even though I'm against it.

[@m.wilkinson9559]

My god, I feel sorry for Abdul Malik, he's like a ten year old being told Santa Claus isn't real. Anyways, there's another point of evidence to look at and it's the names of Allah that we have. We have Al-khallaq but we also have Al-Musawwir. If Allah always creates things instantaneously why does he have a name like Al-Musawwir which means the Fashioner? To be fair though a lot of muslims believe Allah always does things instantly when there's nothing idealogically wrong for Him to create things gradually through processes that He controls.

[@Yameen200]

you forgot the al bari ie the evolver

[@m.wilkinson9559]

@@Yameen200 thanks for reminding me, but that's my point. Why would Allah have a name like Bari' if things always proceeded instantly from "be"? It's clear for example that the Earth itself has things that developed over eons like the Grand Canyon, rivers and continents. As muslims we just ascribe ultimate power to Allah as the one organising and controlling everything but things still happen gradually through processes. With the exception of the quantum realm we don't see things pop into existence.

[@Yameen200]

@@m.wilkinson9559 The _be_ just is a way to convey pure will power or creation ex nihilo. Simple logic that such a powerful god (if he really is) could say be and a dragon could appear out of nothing or he could say be and a baby dragon starts growing & evolving.

[@2011redplanet]

Excellent!!!

[@hazard1219]

So much knowledge ❤❤❤

[@sniazi6753]

Can dua change destination? If yes then is that supernatural?

[@OAB9282]

All Respect to the guest. He clearly hasn't followed mufti's Q&A, Mufti has explained everything already.

[@ainaltair3217]

Tough task distinguishing between belief in unseen matters and belief in all kinds of miracles read into the Quran because God is capable of doing so. The stories from Judaism and Christianity have crept in and been concretized to an extent that it is difficult for most Muslims to see it. Why do you want to break God's wonderful law? If you defend God's law, some say that you don't believe that God's power.

[@urdominus]

"Why question" said no intellectual ever!

[@riziliencecoaching]

An epic discussion!! Open, real and very respectful! Thank you both for this!

[@paulmateen5416]

Can we conject that experience is a precursor to reason?

[@Forevertheprophecy]

When it comes to like God following the rules that he has set in the Cosmo, he also says that there will be no prophets after Muhammad. So that is a rule that he created. So does that mean because he make that rule and because there will be no other prophet are we saying that God is now not capable of sending another Prophet if he wanted too?

[@daboos8]

Hi Esa. In my understanding, Mufti is saying although Allah can 100% do as he pleases, He SWT, ultimately follows the rules he set forth. I hope that makes sense!

[@VerdantJedi]

I have a better question, what do you think God is then? Be honest and go ponder on it.

[@Adrian-yf1zg]

It's how that is understood... Most muslims believe God does not lie...

[@coffeehouse3785]

wow Amazing thank you Mufti you are truly an amazing soul

[@ibrahimfazeel3951]

Did it say prostrate Infront of adam? Or it says submit to adam?

[@mazighislam992]

at 14:50 its incoherent with surah maryam, if she was married from where does then the reaction of her family come, it wouldnt make sence to say to her that she did an awfull thing by having a child ? because she already has a husband to which Esau (as) belongs to ? please answer..

[@mohammedumarfarhan9900]

Mufti already made a video on it; The title goes like Jesus didn't speak from his cradle

[@yusafusmani7823]

Is it rational to rationalise that which is beyond the physical universe ?

[@muhammadabdulrahman6799]

Yes

[@solsak836]

You can rationalise aspects of it

[@sSkillaz336]

What if God set these rules of nature /physics etc. But to prove to us humans of the message he will sometimes break these rules(miricles) in order so that we can comprehend the power of God

[@maturidiwesley4107]

Then the question is, what validates islam? Christians can go on and claim the same thing; “god broke the rules of physics with regards to the trinity, so that we comprehend the power of god”. This is obviously a fallacy. That’s why we as muslims need the discourse of a mufti abu layth. You can’t play the uber logician when you debate christians and hindus and then break all the rules of logic and reason when it comes to our own religion.

[@sSkillaz336]

@@maturidiwesley4107 thank you i understand now

[@texan4548]

Many things in spirituality appear to the mind to 'not make sense'. However, the Qur'an does say clearly that Jesus made a clay bird, and turned it into a live bird. Also, the Qur'an addresses people who believe in the unseen. Not to mention the miracles of other prophets, stories of angels, etc. Proof enough, even though our minds don't grasp it fully.

[@solsak836]

Yes miracles are true, however this group and mufti think they r too smart, however they r not at all. They r deluded.

[@Cokk9ine]

@@solsak836 miracles are just improbable events

[@solsak836]

@@Cokk9ine I agree, it is improbable to fly

[@Cokk9ine]

@@solsak836 who flew?

[@solsak836]

@@Cokk9ine saints. Let alone flying, walking on water.

[@Fahimreasons]

There is a question about the posiblity of placing the sperm in the womb of a Homo neanderthalensis, then again how was the 1st of their creation begin? If God was able to create a sperm , could not God been able to create a l female egg too , I cant remember the sura and aiya and also not sure if the translation was correct , the verese says man was created by the mix of both male sperm and female egg, if I am not mistaken the verse does not say Womb , it rather says in a secured place ( again if the translation was correct) And the Quran does not give the slightest hint that Mary was married , infact She says I have not known any man , it does not conclude with no man has touched her , it also means she has not been in any relationship .And if Adam was created created by a sperm mixed with a female egg , and placed in a secure place and if from Adam came his spouse or pair , it must have been of similar process , the question I now struggle with is does a secured place really mean a womb ? Or was it a natural form like the present day artificial womb ? I am.not educated in Science , just know alittle bit by reading .

[@syedshehzad1520]

“We (Allah) said: ‘O fire! Be you coolness and safety for Ibrahim (Abraham)!’ And they wanted to harm him, but We made them the worst losers” [Surah al-Anbiyaa 21:69-70]. This Ayah clearly shows Allah had not acted naturally as we normally do hence Allah can changes or create what ever he wills This mean Generally Allah doesn't change its Sunnah.eg - Law of nature and all.

[@shazindahlan1016]

But does it say that, "then they put him into the fire and the fire didn't burn him"? Or has the quran left some "dot dot dot"s and we are making assumptions here?

[@syedshehzad1520]

@@shazindahlan1016. It has not clearly stated that Allah put him ( AS)into fire but we can easily figure it out that was a command to fire ( which is naturally hot and not safety if it is not dealt properly).

[@mohammedumarfarhan9900]

​@@syedshehzad1520but never in the Qur'an it is mentioned that Ibrahim Ahlehissalm was thrown into the fire. Maybe he somehow escaped or maybe Lut ahlehissalm helped him. This dot dot can mean anything my friend

[@syedshehzad1520]

@@mohammedumarfarhan9900 , This shows this was a special command to fire to be cool and safe as it is hot and dangerous in nature( modality is continuously true) From this incident we can easily figure it out Miracle occurred and it should have additional evidence to support the claim including Tafsir , Hadith and so on. besides if you learn the evidence of God( Necessary being) from Shykh Hamza karamali you can easily believe miracles could occur which is based on logical proofs and not a fairy tale . the video is available on youtube why Islam is True

[@mohammedumarfarhan9900]

@@syedshehzad1520 yaa the story of Prophet Yonus and how he was swallowed by a Whale. Even Mufti agrees it's a literal thing and scientifically proven thing that people can survive in the belly of whale for some days. Even as you say the fire thing, fire are known to show different behaviour show burn severely and some don't

[@muhammadabdulrahman6799]

This is a very good talk. A friend of mine told a non-believer all her bad deeds will be erased by Allah a moment she converts to the deen. Let's assume this new convert says shahada and a second later she dies of seizure. She should go straight to jannah because her bad deeds were erased and in a second she couldn't do anything Allah would disapprove. But if Allah is restricted by his own promise given he is bound to his own creation and past will.

[@alfianbanjaransari4096]

My God! This Light Within dude is so insufferable, running around in circles! Mad props to MALM to gently dismantle his stubbornness.

[@JanealamkhakiTV]

If we remove the reason from humans, what do they become? Anything accepted based on no-reason, what value does it have? Why religion is not meant for lunatics and animals?

[@Zak-gl4ig]

This is really an interesting conversation, but it leaves more questions than it provides answers. For instance, what about Jesus (pbuh) speaking in the cradle?

[@groznyentertainment]

42:00 what's the problem with accepting evolution ? It crumbles the foundation of hadith.. or at least proves the few hadiths in bukhari are false... that's the whole noise against evolution

[@muhammadabdulrahman6799]

But lots of sahih hadith is false. Bukhari was fallible

[@groznyentertainment]

​@MAI WARJABI True - but the voices of extremists are louder unfortunately. I remember Muhamad Hassan Egyptian TV scholar used to call anyone who rejects a sahih hadith (not only bukhari) a Kaffer. and abdul almhdi abdul qader who was the head lead of Azhar hadith school said that Bukhari (the book) is massoom (An infallible )- here is the link to his quote kzbin.info/www/bejne/aWeYZ3t-nM-Wq5o

[@searchtruthsincerity5581]

First time i see mufti saab serious not laughing

[@ainaltair3217]

At 37:00:00..….it appears to me that some people would like God to break his rule to convince us of his power and miracles. Science keeps changing .....why nail down specifics, just relinquish illogical reasons.

[@solsak836]

God doesn't have rules in creation, God has a custom in creation , he does what he wills.

[@SanoobFit]

One of the most intellectual videos I have ever seen, with brilliant questions and very reasonable answers

[@shahtalha9325]

You are even more deluded then the guy speaking

[@abdulmughal2707]

Brilliant questions...where show me one

[@user-ky8ym7le9m]

Lol I couldn’t believe he was serious 38:53 how do people still think like this, you can believe it’s false but at least learn the basics of evolution.

[@dradia1983]

But Adam AS is mentioned as the first man on earth after he was taken out of jannah and sent to this world.. he was created from clay and kun fa yakun he was created into human.. so, how is it that Abu layth says Adam has a mom and a dad ??

[@Aesieda]

The Quran never says Adam is the first man.

[@theiyrosthenes1639]

A better example would be: if God said there would be no more messengers after Mohammed, but after a while seeing the state of the ummah he decided to go back on this and send another one, THAT is God not following his own rules. Could he do it? Technically yes, of course. But anyone with a brain knows he won’t do that. To say otherwise would imply he would lie to his own followers

[@Fahimreasons]

Fantastic and more than anything it was completely civilised manner, you can disagree and still not disrespect eachother . I hope young Muslims with the knowkedge of Science will engage in a discussion with him ======================= Note:It is almost Slur to refer to the past Scholars of The Golden Age who used Reason and freewill as Mutazilites , Mutazilite was a term that derived from what his Senior used when Waseel ibn ata dusagreed and walked away , meaning he has left our circle , it would not make any sense to refer to a School of thought as he has left us or he has set himself apart . He was actually following the earliest Islamic branch known as Ahel - ar- Ray aka Ashab al ray . People of reason , common sense , logic and rationale, and by right his School should be refered as madhab Waseeliya , like all other madhabs . I am saying this becoz people should not get their wires crossed and start calling Mufti Abu Layt as Mutazilite. Actually he is gone back to the orignal root of Maliki , Imaam Maliki's were based on Reasons , like Imaam Abu Hanifa , his creed was Matrudi close to reasoning, but were all were based on Ahel Ar - Ray , people if reasons or logic. So I would refer to Mufti as , rather Ahel ray and a Malik Sunni .becoz his aqeeda is based on all three. Its my opinion I am impressed but yet want to clear more questions in my head . Thank you Mufti Abu layt Valued and appreciated. Fahim Sri Lanka

[@SalmanMoyeen]

I think Mufti should have more discussion with this guy or anyone like him who represent the mainstream Islam. It will be very beneficial to all the Muslim worldwide.

[@abdelbaasit1]

_59:58_ 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@searchtruthsincerity5581]

Waaaaw just waaaaw

[@cambridgeartsociety2555]

Appreciate the logic and reasoning you bring to the table. This would really be of value and hold further weight if you could bring a credible scholar to have a similar discourse with, rather than the unfortunate paricipant here who clearly is way over his head and frankly confused. Keep up the good work and please try to find a suitable counterpart in order to progress the discussions. You yourself must get frustrated by the limited mindsets these guys tend to have?

[@saheluddin]

Ooooww rathaaarrr

[@afzaldogar2452]

Belief seems to be not attainable without use of reason is it not suggested by Allah in Quran 10:100 notwithstanding that no human being can ever attain to faith otherwise than by God's leave, and [that] it is He who lays the loathsome evil [of disbelief] upon those who will not use -their reason? 25:73 and who, whenever they are reminded of their Sustainer’s messages, do not throw themselves upon them [as if] deaf and blind;

[@cissejr7695]

Mufti in surah Maryam ayah 20. Mary told the angel that no man ever touched her, so saying that she was married to Joseph is nowhere found in Islamic sources. And your understanding of the sunnah of Allah is clearly wrong because Allah working through those rules is part of that sunnah. Foe eg. What was the punishment of quraish rejecting the prophet compared to other nations in the Quran

[@Forevertheprophecy]

Right but that's when Mary was having the discussion with the angel. So at the time that Mary was speaking no man had touched her. Maybe their wedding had not happened yet, therefore the marriage was not yet consummated. Because even if Mary or any woman in general has the physical means to have a child, it will not happen unless Allah wills it to be. She could be intimate every day for 20 years and that doesn't necessitate she will have a child.

[@cissejr7695]

So why did she need to go outside the City if it was like a regular household. I mean I have not seen any evidence to doubt the virgin birth. It is good trying to be critical but in this case the evidence is overwhelming.

[@daboos8]

Hi cis, what your saying is true the Ayah clearly states it. But this isn’t unique to Mariam, if you rewind back a few Ayahs back to verse 7 - 9, you’ll find that Allah was telling Zakaria A.S. That will have a son, Zakaria couldn’t understand how and asks how in the ayah. Then, similarly, Allah tells him what he has told Mariam A.S. when she asked how, when no man has ever touched her. Allah of course knows best, but I hope my comment sheds some light.

[@Adrian-yf1zg]

I think joseph (or whoever a partner) is not mentioned because it could raise doubts on her purity. However i do think maryam (as) could have been married at some point in her life.

[@cissejr7695]

@@Adrian-yf1zg at some point maybe

[@Wenutz]

Light Within is a good guy but he failed to understand the logical arguments Mufti was making

[@imran.abbasi]

Mufti ... In Quran Allah says ... example of Jesus is like that of Adam... did you deliberately miss this Surah ? How else Jesus is like Adam unless Allah is talking about missing parent(s) ?

[@solsak836]

True, mufti distorts this verse and contorts it to mean what he wants it to mean

[@Yameen200]

It could also be interpreted as meaning both figures are divine in terms of possessing spirits from god, but not divine as in being god.

[@illuminatethepath404]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2fNiKd8m52mo9k

[@m.-9615]

I wish the brother paid better attention to what mufti was saying, because he had to repeat himself multiple times and I felt like the brother still didn't get the points mufti was making in the end. Not saying he has to agree with the points, but at least understanding what's being said to have a more meaningful interaction.

[@AlphaOmega888]

9:51 yes it is true that they give crazy reasons for Iesa coming back, But you know how people say "to be a Muslim, you must believe in Jesus" - that is *NOT JUST A SAYING* - it's *REALLY IN THE QURAN* and make a *SERIOUS COMMAND* that coms with a *SEVERE WARNING* if you don't believe i! And yes the Quran says it's does say he is coming back to judge and that you *MUST BELIEVE* in him before you death or you basically *WON'T MAKE IT TO HEAVEN.* If you don't believe in the Virgin Birth, then you don't have the same Iesa. It's something really *NOT WORTH IT* and a road I would not go down. You need his genetics to get you into heaven, if you deny him, you are doing this on your own free will and it isn't worth chancing it.

[@thesign1087]

Killing it mufti

[@qrx4057]

It's not that God has to follow these laws. It's just that we see these patterns in God's creation and we write them down as scientific laws

[@atilla4352]

37:30 main point

[@abdullaahbinbaroos6096]

Mufti is a Don!

[@mir3877]

This 'light within' guy doesn't know anything. He has never used his head. He should've done some research before putting Mufti to the test. That being said stepping away from the miraculous birth of Isa (AS) is just a bad move on part of mufti. His reasoning in the matter is flawed. The miraculous birth is clearly implied. There is no denying it but It required a scholar well versed in the subject not some random dude in front of the Mufti

[@AlphaOmega888]

wow denying Virgin Birth? Actually, Iesa's own name as referenced in the Qur'an proves he has no human father - he's called *'Iesa son of [mother]'* - not of father, because of how he was born. The 'Second Adam' theology is wiped away on such denial - The Quran directly *compares Jesus to Adam* in terms of *how he came into existence* "Verily, the likeness of Jesus before Allah is the likeness of Adam. *He created him* from dust, then He said to him: 'Be! 'But wow yeah I never seen a Muslim deny that before because I think there is an ayat in the Quran that *specifically warns* NOT to accuse Mariam of such things or take on such beleifs without *GRAVE* consequences attached. I personally wouldn't do it. It erases the Messiah role, and him being the 'Word of God', and 'Spirit From God.' If you can believe in Gabriel, you can believe in other Spirits that come into humans like Adam and made into living. I really feel that denying the Virgin Birth is a real bad step. Look up Human Cloning and you will see how easy it is to do. The idea is, we can not even get into heaven with Iesa genetics. That's why it's so important. And to do this Mariam was required a virgin (Iesa is just a human clone of Mariam which ensures he is a new Adam that we all use to get us into heaven).

[@solsak836]

Good point, Isa ibn Maryam, if Isa alayhi Salaam had a father his name would have been Isa ibn Yusuf

[@imransaid9184]

MALM asking why it's a problem to believe Adam a.s. was a product of evolution (and that the miracle was more cognitive thought etc. ) as if he doesn't know why people make it a big deal lol. He knows very well that its a problem to many people because they would have difficulty reconciling this belief with literal readings of the related hadith 😬😬

[@urdominus]

No the problem is people say the word "evolution" but have no idea what they're talking about.

[@Adrian-yf1zg]

Look how hadith were collected and also the environment\time they were being spread. E. G. Christians of syria region and jewish converts definately brought over previous baggage. Like the hadith in bukhari, prophet solomon had 99 wives and was 'rewarded' with deformed child Hadiths can be rejected because they go against established principles, common reason or quran

[@mk-bg6qp]

Hahahahaha if Adam as was created without parents then what about hawa his wife. Because Quran says his wife was with him. Mufti Abu Layth you are making sense and I hope everyone should be like this.

[@Tskyn]

Effectively ALlah has created everything for nothing but has set rules and sequences for things to follow which we observe as rules as our own narratives work.

[@AryanAli0007]

Quran chaper 3, verse 59 Indeed, the example of Jesus in the sight of Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him, “Be!” And he was!

[@obaidulhaque7687]

That definitely no dust : but multitude .. ??

[@bachaplegic]

Allah say Be and it is

[@thomaskhan4566]

Shaytaan’s downfall was not due to reasoning but arrogance And (remember) when We said to the angels: "Prostrate yourselves before Adam.". And they prostrated except Iblis (Satan), he refused and was proud and was one of the disbelievers (disobedient to Allah). _ Verse (2:34) - English Translation

[@sam2168]

Allah is not binded with his own laws as well, its his will when and what to do

[@lolyou6676]

One thing that’s made out of nothing is MONEY.

[@interqward1]

Yeah 'money' can be but not 'currency.' Robert Mugabe made 'money' pretty close to out of thin air, and it was worthless.

[@urdominus]

@@interqward1 currency is actually what's created out of nothing, money is a store of value.

[@lolyou6676]

What about bitcoin?

[@lolyou6676]

John Ward What about bitcoin?

[@interqward1]

@@urdominus Why do you young guys, with inadequate background and experience and knowledge, say these kinds of things? Money is a token. What's current - as an intermediary token of exchange between a variety of real specific things (including intangible 'things' but which have perceived and expressed value) - HAS 'currency;' what's current has currency... And is called then, if it is being used as money (just the token aspect) currency. Money 'can be' 'might be,' and maybe 'should be' a store of value - and this is not so in hyperdeflation or hyperinflation where it's nominal store value is too fluid to be defined as having any quality of being a store of value. So no. You are wrong. As for my background, I worked in a Reserve Bank (IE a Central Bank), I am an economist, I have lectured economics at Universities, and, I have 'made some money in my life. Bitcoin is certainly NOT something made from out of nothing; it has an immense structural form standing behind it, and enormous internet and computing infrastructure intrinsic to its existence and use. Bitcoin is money, and it is a currency also. But you are entitled to believe whatever you choose. I will not stop you.

[@syedatayyaba8543]

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[@nikhaslinahatta6928]

For those who are exploring whether Jesus has a father: Try listening to Dr Hany Atchan of the Marvelous Quran. Be open, spend time understanding his methodology & the Abrahamic Locution. I believe that Jesus is not born from a miraculous birth. And it doesn't make us any less Islamic, on the contrary a better muslim.

[@ainaltair3217]

Even though I don't share the views of Light Within, I think he means that Allah created observable rules for humans and Allah has the capability to show His miracles to us within our observable universe. So, it is valid to believe in miraculous birth and resurrection of Isa. However, this would not conflict with the promise of afterlife as Allah is not going to change his laws with regards to it.

[@Adrian-yf1zg]

Miracle could be understood like a really unlikely even, however still possible within the physical laws

[@ainaltair3217]

@@Adrian-yf1zg I see your point. However, I think some may confuse metaphors or ambiguous words to be literal or definitive words and feel passionately attached to that interpretation. I think one should leave room for other nuances of understanding as long as it doesn't conflict with the core principles.

[@solsak836]

A promise is kept by Allah, there are no physical laws stated in the Qur'an though, therefore Allah may alter these things.

[@Cokk9ine]

​@@solsak836 The quran, just like the universe is allah's creation. If you believe the quran is 100% true, then it is irrational to believe god would go against one of his creations, more so to prove the other creation. Logically it doesn't make sense. It also doesn't make sense from a common sense perspective. Why would allah create such a vast universe with rules in place, but decide to break those rules just to show he can? In my opinion, it makes more sense that everything was set up from the beginning, Thermodynamics states that a system will always tend towards chaos, which means that the system will become more and more "unpredictable" as time goes on. This means a small change in the creation/setting up of a system, with enough time, can cause complex end results. Allah in his infinite knowledge has the ability to predict such events for hundreds of billions of years. Therefore, it's not unreasonable to assume that allah constructed the first atoms he placed in such a manner as to cause the miracles he mentions in the quran.

[@searchtruthsincerity5581]

Mufti saab..i just want Christian prince debate with you...