DISGUSTED. | Mushoku Tensei: Jobless Reincarnation 2 Episode 23 Reaction | Lalafluffbunny

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[@Lalafluffbunny]

🙂🙂🙂🙂🙃🙃

[@marquisehibbler2754]

You should watch a skipped content video because there’s way more context. The anime just made Roxy look like a bad person for no reason.

[@ryansmith8102]

@@marquisehibbler2754 Definitely agree. But that's anime standards. It's to be expected. Sucks, though, but this did what it could to adapt a few chapters into one episode. The Light Novel definitely had a lot of buildup before this. In between Paul's death and the weeks leading to this moment and afterwards.

[@InstanRamen]

This could be the last controversial we not gonna see any controversial stuff until S5

[@oyaoya4156]

Same reaction!!

[@blackpepper2610]

Good job hanging on until now, guess this is the last straw. It's okay to drop the series, don't mind what other people say

[@cottonmather1969]

I knew what time it was when Roxy locked the door 😂😂

[@yajnalgibno6536]

fr lol

[@kevinkovacs3131]

For sure! Roxy wanted that Rudy D so badly and I was spoiled by this btw.

[@Tounushi]

Hercules was lost to the hydra, but Hulk remained to smash.

[@michaelwoodard8474]

Bro I can't ​@@Tounushi

[@potionprogaming8236]

Mhm

[@icedragonkid1480]

Its funny because roxy is technically a demon so her being on that time is pretty on brand lmao

[@colonelkenpachi5009]

They tried to tell us bro, Roxy dgaf.

[@Tounushi]

and she had a succubus outfit in a gacha collab.

[@wan8239]

the semen demon her self.

[@SlyI42]

@@Tounushi broo fr, after this episode, it makes so much sense 💀 I was like "okay random ass outfit? Even Eris's makes sense for her". The game in question is BrownDust 2 for anyone curious, but the collab ended already.

[@poulefryt4923]

@@colonelkenpachi5009 my poor man got roxylested

[@salierihiyajo6596]

Broooo, Rudy basically lost both his parents and an arm, wdym he didn't regret enough. 😂

[@AJaxnn]

Deadass 💀💀💀 she fr wants him to suffer

[@SlyI42]

Yeah when she said that I was like yoo she's salty 💀

[@josephtechub7320]

and that spoiled pdf file deserved all of that

[@notasadist1914]

Millis follower's be hating _🤣_

[@cloudjc0272]

Even hitogami's apostles

[@notasadist1914]

@@cloudjc0272 _🤫_ , But I was also referring to the people that hate the out come from this episode and in the future _🤣_

[@RastrKrok]

19:05 "F her BRO" He already did

[@thatguy3362]

😭

[@GeraldWalls]

27:25 The memory of Rudy as a young child wasn't being used for lust purposes. She was remembering how emotionally crippled he was that he couldn't even leave the walls around the house and how he could not save himself. She was the one who saved him by breaking him out of that and getting him able to go into the world. In the current case Elinalise and Geese wanted to leave Rudy alone so he could "man up" and break out of it by himself. Roxy knew that would not happen. She went into his room to talk him out, and failing that to use Any Means Necessary. (Left out: Rudy had not left the room for about a week and was not eating. He was starting to starve.)

[@aidanarmaggeddon]

Well if it was a problem that could be solved by sex then its rather shallow. Regardless of the intention, Roxy took advantage of Rudy while he was mourning and Rudy regardless of Mental State participated in it and somehow that alone resolved his grief. Having read the LN I would say that the portrayal in the anime didn't really change my opinion of this scene

[@GeraldWalls]

@@aidanarmaggeddon "Solved" isn't the right word. It isn't solved or resolved. This just pushed him out of his broken head space enough so that he could at least function again. Solving will take a long time.

[@FrostyMountain-wo3kl]

Men are simple, women complicate things.

[@shanemasters5737]

I disagree with you, but I was laughing my ass off at just how mad you were getting😂

[@Lalafluffbunny]

respect

[@aizensalandy1033]

this comment here lol, cause the fact of the matter is he loved Roxy since he saw her at first site

[@RatuGranola]

You disagree because your brain has already fried, what a ridiculous development, what a stupid anime, impossible to like and root for a disgusting character like that

[@Shwooomp]

@@Lalafluffbunny ---23:17 This episode was supposed to be his final struggle with his past life. its on the same level with the reunion with paul episode in season 1(S1 Eps17), or eris leaving him (S1 Eps 23), or his reconciliation with norn this season (S2 Eps 17). This episode shouldve been about how he sees his old parents and new parents and finally recognizing himself as Rudeus Greyrat, the son of Paul and Zenith. literally the most important thing for his character in the novel and the studio just cut the whole thing out. Just to give you an idea, the first 30 seconds of the episode shouldve been a whole episode (24:21 The studio cut out and CHANGES a lot of thing from Roxy pov in the novel, the anime literally potray her like this, youre justified to feel however you want. dont mind people talking shit. This is one of my favorites series of all time and im pissed off too at how they adapted this shit. I hope youd watch a cut content on this episode)

[@kanarieV3]

yeah ppl can disagree but rmb its just a show, learn to hf and laugh along fr

[@BevvyTV]

first reactor I've seen mad at Roxy instead of Rudy. damn respect for the diverse perspective

[@Leila20299]

Wait, really? I dislike Rudy and don't see him as the type to be faithful forever but in this one scene he was clearly being taken advantage of??? I'm disappointed if most reactors (and audience?) didn't realize that... Maybe they should picture this as a recurring situation that exists in our world: it's like taking advantage of a drunk girl. It's revolting whatever the gender is 😐😐😐

[@BevvyTV]

@@Leila20299 don't worry I'm in the same boat as you i completely agree with you, but just due to people usually disliking Rudy actually surprised someone looked through that and saw the real fucked up shit.

[@ZedUnbowed]

agreed and i watch A LOT of anime reactors. not once have i seen anyone get angry at Roxy. Props, Lala.

[@shinyhappyrem8728]

@@ZedUnbowed: "The GenreVerse" labeled Roxy as Padme

[@captainvanisher988]

both perspectives are ignorant though. It's either they're both at fault or neither. I am leaning towards neither.

[@AJaxnn]

I know this comment section is gonna get a bit chaotic but let's try to keep it civil comrades and focus on positive things...Like how adorable that armadillo they were riding back home is 😇

[@Lalafluffbunny]

😂😂 & the campfire was so nice 🥰

[@1m_N0t_CrAzY]

Dillo is the goat Even tho hes an armadillo

[@Nah_I-ll_Win]

​@@Lalafluffbunnynext episodes damage control can be pretty good if they adapt it well.

[@azumag4432]

Ok...but y!?

[@iceberg54321]

The start of the menagerie at Rudy's house.

[@jjpasay]

As an LN reader, regardless of the changes , it doesn't change the fact that Roxy took advantage of him, regardless of her intentions. Although I do agree that the cut content does give more context to her actions, it still doesn't change the fact that what she did was fucked up. Also, I find it somewhat funny and ironic that as reprehensible as Rudy was in his past life, all three of the women he had a deep connection with in this world all took advantage of him on their first night. >Eris coerced him to it (she's physically stronger by a superhuman margin) and played right into his fetishes to get what she wanted >Sylphy drugged him >Roxy fucked him while he was grieving

[@lordlubu3029]

Oh yea you're right, I forgot about the Sylphy drugging, nice catch.

[@HiddenStr3ngth]

Yeah, but the Sylphie thing I can't really put in the same category lol They both knew about it, they both wanted to work things out. Just, uh, strong measures and not ideal I guess. And they were already going to do it earlier if his thing worked. Can't call that taking advantage haha Roxy one is on a different tier, even to the Eris one.

[@kevinlee6003]

Well, Rudy was literally dying from depression. Roxy low key saved his life. Another thing, we can't judge his world since ours is vastly different. Pologymy is a norm in Mushoku Tensei

[@captainvanisher988]

You're wrong on so many levels. What she did was NOT f*cked up. The idea of "adultery" is far different in that world's morality system than it is here. As far as we are concerned, there is nothing morally wrong with Rudy or any married man for that matter sleeping with other women outside of their marriage. Neither of them were Milis followers, so there are no moral qualms about such thing. Roxy's actions were half selfish, half selfless. She 100% wanted to experience affection from her love but she also had to help him get through his depression which she did. Sylphie did not take advantage of him whatsoever, what you on about? She literally cured him by giving him ultra viagra. Eris didn't coerce him either. Eris' bad decision is the entirety of the situation but they can be somewhat justified with the entire context. She was still in the wrong though.

[@aidanarmaggeddon]

​@@captainvanisher988nah the adultery is fucked up, because HE VOWED to Sylphie that she'd be the only one and then went back on his word. Regardless of how marriages and polygamy in this world are accepted, he vowed to her that she'd be THE ONE not the one out of three.

[@adrianjansen89]

I'm not justifying Roxy but the anime skipped a pretty important conversation between Geese, Elinalise, Talhand and Roxy, it provides context regarding why Roxy did what she did.

[@hannijrch.5178]

Not only that but they change a lot of scenes in here. In the novel, Rudeus was the one who initiated and pinned Roxy in bed even though Roxy hesitated to do it in the first place because she knew he already have a wife and a kid. Not only that, he's also the one who came up with the idea to take Roxy as his 2nd wife, not Elinalise.

[@SlyI42]

@@hannijrch.5178 bro wtf?? It seems like the anime changes things so much, that it's a completely different experience, I'm getting mad. I'm about to learn how to read just because of how much people talk about this novel.

[@adrianjansen89]

@@hannijrch.5178 as far as i remember Rudy wasn't sure about having two wifes, Elinalise had to lie to him saying that Roxy was pregnant and putting Rudy into the same scenario that Paul was forcing him into marry Roxy as well.

[@kmin2080]

Dude. The anime skipped a lot in this episode, as always. But you are wrong on many levels. You should read the part of the novel again.

[@adrianjansen89]

@@kmin2080 sorry but, who's comment are you replying? your comment doesn't have a name tagged so it's difficult to figure that out.

[@janina3879]

Mushoku Tensei is all about humans being flawed.. Paul was an asshole.. he raped when he was a teen, slept around, and cheated on Zenith.. yet he stepped up when Norn needed him the most, saved a great amount of lives that would have been lost otherwise to the teleportation accident.. and then he died to save his wife and son. We're not supposed to condone the bad things Paul did, but that doesn't mean we can't appreciate the good.. it also emphasizes that people make work with the hand they're dealt.. Zenith, in the end, was happy.. it doesn't make Paul's and Lilias actions any better, they're still scum for that.. but in the end Zenith made her decision and life went on.. Rudy and Roxy did something scummy towards Sylphy this episode.. in the LN their actions are much more understandable, especially Roxy doing what she did.. they were scared for Rudy's life at that point and she was made to believe having sex with him could save him.. and as they both said.. it's up to Sylphy.. they know they fucked up and will accept the consequences. That being said.. non of them come from a culture that views monogamy as the golden moral standard for relationships.. it's still a scummy thing and doesn't absolve them of anything.. and that is not the intent of Elinalise saying what she did.. it simply portrays the different set of values they have.. polyamory is a common thing and an outcome that makes everyone happy if they agree to it.. so of course she'd suggest it. Maybe I have an easier time with this given I'm poly.. again, I'm not saying what they did was right, but knowing the circumstance and how they feel.. that they want to confess and admit their wrongdoing and only agree to do anything more if Sylphy is ok with it.. as Sylphy I´d be hurt.. but not unable to forgive it.. and also not unwilling to expand the relationship if properly established. But just to emphasize yet again, that doesn't mean that it was ok or that we should think it was.. that's not what MT is about.. MT is about showing the good and the bad and about consequence and forgiveness. About second chances. Messing up and trying to make the best out of it.. that's also why the show tackles so many taboos. It's uncomfortable because that's the intent.

[@lordlubu3029]

Thank you, this is the most well put response to this episode I think. People seem to forget the entire point of Mushoku is showing that bad people are still capable of good and changing, and that sometimes good people can do bad things. People saying this episode is condoning cheating or saying that Roxy and Rudy were in the right absolutely baffles me.

[@captainvanisher988]

There are a bunch of corrections I need to do. What Roxy and Rudy did was NOT scummy towards Sylphie and why would it be? There is no standard of married men not sleeping with women outside of marriage in that world outside of Milis followers. Had Zenith not been a Milis follower, Paul would've already slept with Lilia and married her as well. The entire issue was that Zenith was a Milis follower and Paul did break his promise and hurt Zenith's religious values. What Roxy and Rudy did was not "adultery". That's the entire idea. And since Roxy did it out of necessity as well (it was partially the reason), I am sure Sylphie would thank her for saving/helping her husband. The entire marriage thing is a different talk. 2nd Correction: Polyamory is NOT a common thing in this world. Female monogamy is pretty much enforced and it's because they are humans and humanoids so they will mimic human instincts and natural social constructs. Female monogamy was also enforced in every advanced human society to exist and it's mainly due to biological reasons. However, what you needed to say is "Polygyny/Polygamy is a common thing in that world". Men having many wives, sleeping outside of their marriage, having concubines or even s3x slaves is common in that world as it was common in our world until Christianity influenced the planet. Polyamory(many men and many women) and polyandry(one woman with many men) is a modern invention that is able to happen only because of modern technology. Condoms, medication etc allows for it to exist and it's still not working as we know that those relationships have an incredibly high failure rate. Which is further proof of the human natural instinct for female monogamy that is entrenched in both men and women.

[@kevinarellano2681]

@@captainvanisher988 I agree... and we are talking about a world with a different set of beliefs where only one religion mirrors our values in the real world. Just cause we think it is not morally correct doesn't equate for it being the same in that world. Remember the world lore of Mushoko Tensei involves acceptance to Polygamy/Polygyny/Harem. Some matriarch in households have power of having multiple husbands and sex slaves and outside sexual relations, the same goes for patriarch households like the Boreas-Greyrat Household. I believe the only people that strongly believes in monogamy are minority - which are the devout followers of the Millis Belief. Rudy is not a follower of Millis Belief and thus he is not bound to this moral, the same goes for Sylphy and Roxy. So for me, I am open minded in this turn of events.

[@captainvanisher988]

@@kevinarellano2681 You're wrong on one front. Matriarchies never existed. There hasn't been a single one in recorded history. Our societies were always patriarchies. Jewish family structures are the closest we get to "matriarch households", but they are not actually close to it. The man is still the head of the household, it's just that the lineage goes from the mother instead of the father. But you can look at the Jewish states and empires, polyandry was always punished and usually by death whilst polygyny was legal and practiced. Now the idea of polyandry is also against human nature. It's not some moral standard that we as humans created along the way. Humans instinctually show disgust in promiscuous women/polyandry. There is a reason why every single advanced human society prohibited polyandry, and it's not because of religion or "patriarchy" for that matter. It's because it's against human biology. So in a world like Mushoku Tensei, where humans and humanoid creatures exist, polyandry would still be seen with disgust (it was shown by Elinalise) since it's in human nature. Characteristics of human biology (i.e. aversion to polyandry) will still be carried in a imaginary world where humans are present. Arbitrary moral standards (i.e. male monogamy) wouldn't.

[@kevinarellano2681]

@@captainvanisher988 Oh, but I am not talking about our real world household systems when I mentioned the Matriarchy. I was talking about the possibility of Polygamy for either types of household being potentially (fictionally) present in MT lore. Like the Latreia household (probable spoiler alert) or Ariel Asura for that matter. I read somewhere that having multiple wives and husbands in the world of MT is not really heavily looked down upon and is accepted by society. Although multiple sexual partners (outside of marriage) is indeed looked down upon (case of Elinalise) high probability of being the same as sex workers.

[@danielalva5442]

The funniest thing about this episode is how many would sacrifice Rudy to receive all the hate instead of Roxy 😂

[@Anime_aneki]

As a roxy fan,i see this as a win

[@user-ts4mh9kc5z]

victory🎉🎉🎉

[@P3.R3]

Total Roxybro Victory

[@TrivialPawn]

Found the pedo 🫵

[@martinjoster3282]

Absolute cinema

[@Rigo9]

Roxy the goat

[@boris2656]

This reaction is going to be fun

[@collister4844]

Elinalise saying Roxy fell in love with Rudy but is punished for meeting at the wrong time feels very true, because Rudy only avoided going to Begaritt because the Man god said he could cure his erection studying at the university. We were told that Rudy was too scared of women to get an erection, so Roxy could've also cured Rudy in the same way. The author adding this line about Roxy feels like the author saying the roles could've been reversed depending on the route he took. If Rudy never listened to the Man god, then he would've met Roxy 1st, fell in love, and then cure his erection. Then he'd probably continue to study at University just as he planned as a kid and meet slyphie there. Also Rudy didn't actually get much stronger studying at the University, all his classes were easy for him and no other student could beat him. If anything, Rudy's adventurer experience dulled from taking it easy for so long. If Rudy originally went to Begaritt and joined Paul's party, he could've gotten better combat skills and awareness to not freeze in front of the Hydra and cause Paul to die saving him. After thinking about it, Roxy being 1st wife and having a better ending is now my head cannon. Especially if Rudy talked to Ruijerd instead of Paul and asked Ruijerd agreed to help him save his mom.

[@ShiNijuuAKL]

Also remember that Elinalise didn't want to meet Paul, so she was the one who went to look for Rudeus instead of Roxy. If Roxy went instead, she would've cured Rudeus. It is Elinalise's fault!

[@gyptice]

Hmm but there's a chance things could have gone even worse. He would have never made the connections that are quite valuable at the University like with Nanohashi, Badigadi, etc. He wouldn't have gotten the Teleporter Labyrinth book. Chances are, Roxy still would have gotten teleported in the dungeon and potentially died since they wouldn't have been able to descend to the level she was at and perhaps would have died. His eyes might still have been overwhelmed in the presence of the hydra flailing, and Elanalise wouldn't have been a part of the party, and would potentially be off doing worse things again. Also, Norn and Aisha would both be nearby this whole time, and potentially exposed to more direct ramifications to everything. Paul sent them away for a reason. There are a lot of things to consider and I don't think there's really a right or wrong result. I still think this result wasn't so bad in the grand scheme as far as I currently know.

[@edian7667]

Kind of getting into spoilers because nothing in the anime has alluded to the idea that he would have met Roxy at the port without the ManGod's interference. We're talking about a major port town, it's SIGNIFICANTLY more likely that two randos would never cross each other's paths. Thus leading us more or less to this same path minus maybe Rudy having found Aisha. Because for sure he had no reason to even be in that town without Mangod.

[@uihirasawa843]

@@edian7667 If you're talking about Wind Port, then no; you can infer that Rudeus would've been there when Roxy saw Ruijerd and Eris sparring. Roxy noted she didn't see the "tiny Kennel Master" around, since at the time he was going to buy the food that ended up being eaten by Kishirika.

[@teo8446]

lmao love your reaction. not to defend, but there was cut content: Roxy, Talhand, and Elinalise were talking about how his health is getting worse. Roxy asked what can they do to help Talhand was like - Sleep with him thats how you get men to get better.

[@teo8446]

I can understand now why other LN readers say this was adapted quite badly since before your reaction i was like "aint this adaptation fine? what are the other LN readers talking about?"

[@zander1896]

@teo8446 Ultimately the only way to truly enjoy the anime is to read the corresponding chapters after each episode to get a clearer picture. Mushoku is brilliantly written and every character is flawed in a way that makes you uncomfortable and disgusted at times but this episode left out TOO much

[@fearlandstay]

eh that doesn't make things better 😭

[@luan3762]

the full context made it worse lol

[@vladimirt.3627]

Geese said that not Talhand

[@zander1896]

In the novel, Roxy was walking away and Rudy pulled her back into his arms. Roxy was an outcast in her hometown due to not having telepathy unlike the other demons. So living with Zenith and Paul gave her a sense of belonging she never had. The decision to cut and adjust certain scenes has painted her in a worse light because in reality she just couldn't stand seeing him like that. For the record, it was Eli who advised her to pay him that visit at night and she took her advice to heart. It's complicated

[@zander1896]

She didn't even mount him or take the initiative during their little tryst. Rudeus was excessively rough and essentially took his frustration and sadness out on her. This is far more tamer than what happened in the novels, and I'm somewhat relieved as it makes Rudeus seem more justifiable but at Roxy's expense.

[@zander1896]

This isn't even the biggest change of them all. Read at your own risk. Rudy told Roxy EVERYTHING. About his past life and what he's gone through up to this point. It was a moment of catharsis similar to what Subaru experienced when he spoke to Echidna about return by death. It's an insane decision to cut this out and mitigates the impact of his decision to marry her.

[@wehrwolf3606]

@zander1896 This is true alot of context that was In the light novel was cut out, in the LN she never came on to him this strong so it didn't felt like she had her way with him, she just kinda offer herself and 1 thing just lead to another, i think if elinalise did show up instead the same thing would have happen but he would be able to move forward.

[@KyonSOSBrigad3]

Yeah theu changed it but dude, Both in anime and in LN Roxy took advantage of the situation. Dont try to tapa the sun with a finger Dude, Rudeus is no innocent but overall its still the same.

[@zander1896]

@wehrwolf3606 Right? And she has severe self-esteem issues due to her petite figure but offered herself to him anyway for his sake. The anime made it seem like she didn't care enough about his mental state. It's quite awful

[@pratikdash2182]

It's crazy how you didn't blame Rudy for getting taken advantage of, it's such a fresh take by someone who is invested in the show. Anyway, for more context Roxy is someone who is practically worshiped by Rudy due to the fact that she helped him alleviate his trauma of the outside world, so he placed her at a high enough position to listen to her words at least whether he believed them or not. A decent bit of time has passed since the last episode and this episode and Rudy was showing no signs of getting over Paul's death. Elinalise, Roxy and Talhand discussed some ways to fix Rudy where Talhand said that sleeping with him would work at least until he reached his home.

[@10CPS]

Definitely a reasonable reaction to what happened 😂 What I will say is it happened a lot differently in the novel from what I remember. I think he had been in there for weeks or longer, and I remember her monologue being different as well and more self aware of the situation. In the end I’m pretty sure she offered to “share his burden” and then Rudy was the one to pull her back onto the bed and initiate. As for the marriage proposal, during the campfire talk Elinalise told Rudy that Roxy was pregnant. Elinalise already knew about both their love for each other, and wanted a future where Roxy wouldn’t have to be hurt, and had faith that Sylphie would be understanding. Whether or not this makes it better or worse isn’t up for me to decide haha. Great reaction I just wanted to fill you in on some skipped/changed details.

[@captainvanisher988]

It didn't make much difference. The narrative and the plot is pretty much the same if you pay attention to the episode. The change of Roxy being the initiator is an improvement upon the LN so the author who makes the changes did well with that. Same with removing Elinalise's lie. It gives Rudy more agency and shows that Rudy wants to marry Roxy because he loves her and not out of pity. Also her reaction is not reasonable whatsoever lol.

[@10CPS]

@@captainvanisher988 A lot of the results are the same I agree. It’s just the context is different. In the anime Roxy says “let’s go see the city like we did the other day” implying it’s only been a few days vs a few weeks. I can see why anime only enjoyers saw it as “his dad just died like 2 days ago, he’s in mourning and she’s using it as an opportunity to take advantage of him. Why didn’t she try anything else to help him?” When in reality it had been weeks and it was a dire situation, he was quite literally dying a slow death, with no improvement at all since they got back. The conversation with Elinalise where she talks about how it’s common for male adventures to be “healed” this way after a traumatic event or survivals guilt, would have helped people recognize this was common practice and has shown the best results in the worst of cases. I agree with the lie not being necessary, it was only used to give Rudy an excuse to propose, since he actually wanted to do anyways. Both the LN and anime could’ve gave the scene a bit more heart, but maybe it’s more realistic since moods were pretty down. And yeah she over reacted but I get it lol. I blame victim culture, because the context was bad but Roxy would never take advantage of him for her own horny gains lmao. It was all for him, just portrayed poorly

[@10CPS]

@@captainvanisher988 damn I wrote way more than I meant to 🤣

[@captainvanisher988]

@@10CPS You can't look sickly and anorexic by not eating for only 2 days. To get to the state Rudy was he had to be starving for at least a week. So by his appearance alone you could get that. Also saying "let's go to the place where we went the other day" doesn't necessarily mean a couple days ago. It is used to in general for something that happened recently, could be yesterday, could be a week ago, could be a month ago.

[@10CPS]

@@captainvanisher988 I agree, but most reactors didn’t get a grasp on the timeframe because of the poor subs. Semantics, “the other day” implies recently in the last few days. “The other week” would have been better but still wouldn’t have implied about a month Should have just removed the line and put a time stamp “x weeks later” on the screen at the start of the ep

[@kei6121]

Comfort sex is a thing like it or not

[@EurocuntTrash]

Disgusting culture

[@HiddenStr3ngth]

Yeah, and it helps lol

[@NoImprovement7568]

Yeah, and it's an entire trope called "Sex for Solace" that appears in multiple works of fiction. and real life

[@lordlubu3029]

The thing about Mushoku is it is a test in empathy. It tests your ability to truly empathize with very realistic characters in very realistic and uncomfortable situations. It's easy to sit there as a viewer on your high horse and look down on Rudy and Roxy for "doing something bad" and hurting Sylphy...but actually think about their situation and put yourself in their shoes. Rudy lost his father due a mistake he personally made, he lost his mother forever too, and he lost his hand. Of the 4 people who understand him most in this world 2 of them are effectively dead and the other 2 (Sylphy/Eris) are on another continent thousands of miles away. All while he is at his lowest point in life, he has no one to talk to, no one who can relate to him, no one who can comfort him. In such a situation do you think YOU would have the mental fortitude and willpower to somehow turn away Roxy? Someone you have loved since childhood and the only person trying to comfort you? 99.9% of people wouldn't. Roxy too. Roxy has just reunited with her favorite student who was like a little brother to her and is now a grown man who she has fallen deeply in love with....only to find out he is taken by another woman. And two of the people she viewed as a 2nd family are now gone, while the person she loves is wasting away and slowly killing himself from depression and self blame. He won't listen to you, let you comfort him, and he just sits there dying. If you were in that situation what would you do? Again, it's easy to say "Roxy is a homewrecker" but should she have left Rudy to waste away and throw away her only chance to be with the love of her life? These are very complex situations and very complex characters. Instead of shaming them and yelling at them you should try to understand WHY they are doing the things they do and try to empathize

[@Roger001]

i Really dont Understand how people can get mad about a reaction video just beacause they disagree with it, especially when the person gives their honest thoughts on the episode, and discuss it, be they positive or not, like isnt that the best part of watching reaction videos? isnt that what we are here for? but anyway i loved the reaction lol, was waiting the whole day for this, and the rage is completelly justified from the way they adapted it.

[@hmmm..668]

They're being immature

[@KyonSOSBrigad3]

I think is not because of the outrage, is more because of the missunderstanding of the story as a whole, Lala kinda struggles to understad MT, wich is fine Btw, but yeah, Also fans are bitchy because they are traumatized with too much hate LOL. Fandoms always ruin shit.

[@yh3336]

Simp

[@shadycactus7896]

@@KyonSOSBrigad3How did she misunderstand? The only reason you guys understood it differently is because you read the LN, which recontextualizes stuff...

[@HiddenStr3ngth]

Quite the nonsensical take. Hard to even start with it. It's basically like saying "How can someone get mad an anime?" "How can someone get mad at " Plenty of reasons someone can be upset about whatever. People can look up reaction videos for many different reasons. They can also watch someone and like them most of the time, or liked them thus far, then they suddenly they start saying crazy things. Reactors can, and do, say plenty of unhinged, nasty, ignorant, prejudice, selfish and narcissistic things. Would it not be understandable that someone might be upset when that happens? And certainly they do miss tons of aspects of the story and characters, even obvious things. (No, I'm not talking about this video, I'm talking in general. This video may be included in parts.) Even reactors are generally like, end up saying some messed up things sooner or later. Even in recent MT episodes before this one. Wishing characters to be miserable and suffer, for no other reason than them not aligning to your mindless dogma. I'd say it is pretty normal for someone to not like that and potentially make a comment. TLDR How can someone get "mad" at a "reaction" lol "Reaction" tells you nothing, it can be anything. It can be someone throwing out slurs and inciting violence. Only thing reaction means, is watching something and giving your opinions. Which can be as nasty and unhinged as you can imagine.

[@kurimiaisukurimu]

Ngl even as a LN reader, the fact that Roxy's motivation was just to get Rudeus to start taking care of himself again was the only thing that kept me from despising her here.

[@HiddenStr3ngth]

lol it 100% was not just that At minimum there is an implicit bias, she desperately wanted to be with him.

[@kurimiaisukurimu]

@@HiddenStr3ngth She did, but if Rudeus wasn't depressed and she knew he was married, she wouldn't have done it.

[@ShiNijuuAKL]

Sylphie would've done the same, that's all I need to know

[@Camilo.andres]

I don't know if you will read this, and I don't think it will change anything, but in the novel, the days that Rudy was locked up, the group started talking about how they could help him and they came to the conclusion that at that moment, What he needed was a night of passion (let's understand that they all think the same as in the middle ages. in that time, it was the same as that.) in the end, they decided to leave him alone because "he would recover on his own." which Roxy knew wouldn't be the case because she knew how soft Rudy was from what he looked like. and that's why she did what she did, which in the end did end up working. In addition, the creator said that he always wanted to capture "those times" in the most realistic way possible.

[@rainy_7129]

Nah i agree completely, taking advantage of somebody who is at their lowest is some grimey shit no matter the context. (and dont tell me how its different in the light novel because that doesnt matter, were watching the anime adaptation not reading the light novel lmao)

[@rainy_7129]

@@TheRoleplayer40k bruh 😂😂😂

[@lordlubu3029]

It's more complex than that, yes she did take advantage of him, but also there was quite literally no other way of helping Rudy out of that depression and he would have probably been permanently injured if he continued down that path. So while it was scummy to take advantage of him, in doing so she did help Rudy recover and that comfort was something he needed

[@scoop1215]

They literally said they changed it because they wanted to put roxy in a good light guess it backfired for the anime staff lol

[@Litgaming776]

​@@scoop1215Yeah they made it so Roxy looked worse💀

[@zimzalabim5633]

Knowing now what went down with the original source, the anime script writer sure did Roxy dirty even the author himself tweeted something about it 🙃

[@cataliniancu5318]

It was only a little bit different in the LN, she still did the same thing.

[@hmmm..668]

Is it just me that It doesn't matter who initiated it, both are in the wrong.

[@meetup9408]

beter than rudy raping roxy with force

[@10CPS]

@@cataliniancu5318 Yeah she did, context was a lot different though. The vibe went from her “giving” to Rudy, to “taking” in the anime. Which is why it feels like she was taking advantage of him for her own gain

[@shin-iti]

​@@cataliniancu5318actually was Rudeus that pushed her down, not Roxy. that changes a lot the context.

[@neverletmego6414]

The turning point is when Eris left. If Rudy had stayed with Eris the whole time, there's no way Eris would let him get with another woman.

[@-Strike]

You look so drippy wtf? 😳

[@Lalafluffbunny]

thanx 🥰🥰

[@Ashygotnohuss]

Ong she got that shi on

[@onogrindsbrah]

Honestly, the LN justifications and how it plays out would piss you off more. This was the best way to do this. Rudy and Roxy are scumbags, and they gotta own it.

[@Bo_3abes]

nah I disagree, the way they portrayed the events in the LN and how they handled things were much better than this adaptation.

[@gaivalentine2178]

Yeah the main issue why people have a problem with this is that they keep inserting themselves into Rudy’s position. This is NOT that kinda anime with a bland nothing of a main character. You’re watching someone else’s life story. A lot of people lack the ability to take themselves and their personal beliefs out of a situation that has nothing to do with them. Quite the parallel to real life.

[@cataliniancu5318]

It's an Isekai protagonist. Self-inserting is the whole point. And it stands to reason that some people with not agree when faced with actual infidelity.

[@gaivalentine2178]

@@cataliniancu5318 here’s a history lesson. Mushoku Tensei popularized 90% of what you see in all Isekai after 2012. It was not a self insert. That concept was adopted by many other Isekai because they couldn’t tell what made this show so special. You’re operating under the false pretense that this is just another run of the mill Isekai and that shows you clearly don’t understand this anime.

[@cataliniancu5318]

@@gaivalentine2178 Nah, it totally is. A jobless hikikomori whose life becomes awesome after a convenient redo? That's like the pinnacle of self-insert, and the reason why this formula was copied so much.

[@AJaxnn]

I don't think self inserting is the problem here. Cheating is cheating no matter what world or how you look at it, even Rudy admits he feels horrible for not being faithful.

[@ChuckleFuckle]

@@cataliniancu5318I’m pretty sure he’s saying that “self insert“ referring to being able to project yourself onto a blank canvas of a character which Rudy is anything but. Being a shut in is a core aspect of his character because of his trauma. It’s not a trope in this story. It’s actually what makes his transformation throughout this story worthwhile. His character is very complex with his own thoughts, anxieties, regrets and hopes. You think it’s a trope because it’s been presented that way for years to the point you can’t differentiate when it’s important to the story or just a base to start from and ultimately forget.

[@gormleypeach5809]

Knew youd flip! More heated and disgusted than that one chainsaw man ep! Lmao

[@jakeoriental8847]

Difference is chainsaw man is writing those themes off as something disgusting and how wrong and tragic denji’s life is. They even addressed those consent and pedo issues in the anime. Not in this case tho.

[@Vashy434]

​@@jakeoriental8847yeah Chainsaw man actively is like "hey guys, this is bad. These women are literally taking advantage of an underdeveloped child."

[@gormleypeach5809]

Oh I agree! I wish they weren't taking the path they are but oh well 🤷

[@nim4721]

@@jakeoriental8847 What do you mean? Rudy's constantly saying how he shouldn't be betraying Sylphy.

[@jakeoriental8847]

@@nim4721 but he did. And they even ended up together when his wife is pregnant. What a present for your wife bearing your child. 😂

[@gogogadgetrectalpunch7436]

Coming into this knowing you don’t like the show anymore actually made this more enjoyable to watch. Now it’s just someone freaking out and suffering. No amount of explaining missing context will change the mind of someone like you, so it’s best to just laugh at your pain. 😂

[@KuroAshi_senpai]

She loves the show if she didnt should have dropped it long ago or today idk why people act like rudy and roxy didn't do sth wrong CUZ yes they did, rudy cheated on his pregnant wife who he sore fidelity to, roxy took advantage of his mental state even if it was to comfort him. Also i am a novel reader since the being of season one and have read till end of princess ariel arc so don't even come at me like i don't know the context

[@KuroAshi_senpai]

Even the author brings up all the points, he does this with help the help of Norn, did when Norn confronts rudy she acts the same way and its totally valid to be pissed off at rudy and roxy and feeling bad for sylphie like any normal person would

[@ChuckleFuckle]

@@KuroAshi_senpai view farming has been around for years. And she doesn’t seem to care enough to actually look into getting context to help flesh out the situation. Making Refujin’s efforts in that matter pointless to these kinda people.

[@lordlubu3029]

@@KuroAshi_senpai It's possible to feel bad for Sylphy and also understand why Roxy and Rudy did what they did, it's a shitty situation for everyone there are no winners. I feel bad for everyone. ya'll make it sound like Roxy and Rudy just did it for shits and giggles lol, like there is a tremendous amount of context behind the actions.

[@FitnessAndClips]

Jeez this looks so much worse without the context the light novel gives😂😂

[@hinata365247]

It really didn't to me. I can understand how Rudy is without the light novels. If you really pY attention to him since the beginning especially in the other world, it all makes sense.

[@chiba_fy]

No its not. Stop lying to yourself

[@sunnyarcade1890]

Its bad in both🤷‍♂️

[@zatzu9618]

Not really lol, this is better compared to the light novel since it made more sense that Roxy want Rudy to feel better by sleeping with him.

[@HiddenStr3ngth]

Nah, that is bullshit. The adjustments were good. Apparently still not enough for most people lol To be able to interpret the situation accurately.

[@GBlockbreaker]

i absolutely love Mushoku Tensei because it's not afraid to show characters making terrible decisions

[@r.9820]

Repeatedly, but they still slowly grow step by step.

[@l30nard03]

😂😂😂 One of the reasons Mushoku Tensei is the best is because it makes people react like this 👌🏽

[@mynameise.x2406]

Perfectly valid reaction. I’ve come to just accept it and enjoy it for what it is but there are concepts that I find STRANGE.

[@LegendsForever206]

You do know about the skipped content and changed dialogue, right?

[@captainvanisher988]

@@LegendsForever206 The skipped content changes barely anything. Stop malding. These people would've the same reaction regardless of how it was adapted.

[@captainvanisher988]

Not it's not a valid reaction. You're carrying your own moral standards and biases into a fictional world. How are you going to enjoy said world if they always get in your way?

[@BingusWeeb]

Never censor your thoughts on these reactions, it was so fun to hear you going crazy over the situation 😂. Love this anime cause all the crazy/controversial stuff that's happens as discussions like this ensue. Keep up the great reactions ❤

[@francosarria4111]

Roxy The goat side chik

[@captainvanisher988]

Nope, both are main chicks now lol.

[@__G__-]

I feel for Rudy. I don't care if I was married, had kids, grandkids, if Roxy comes in as cute as she was, i'm folding

[@Lalafluffbunny]

ladies, this man right here 🚩 (jk jk) 😆

[@yourdad5799]

Weak ass

[@derpelex580]

Nah not jk 😭🚩🚩🚩

[@cottonmather1969]

LOL 😂😂

[@JJ-pf9fz]

Nah even in the last episode I was more than fine with the polygamy idea that Paul was insinuating and a lot of others were against it but to give pipe at at time like that was not right in my eyes 😂 It would've been better even just for Roxy to just hold him while both go to sleep or some shi

[@adrlf942]

If you want to hate Roxy more you should know that they skipped the part where Elinalise convinces Rudeus to ask Roxy to marry him by making him believe that she was probably pregnant. And Roxy conveniently doesn't deny it until some time later 🤣. I'm still a fan of Roxy but there's no denying that she took advantage of a lot of things in this volume(12)

[@krystiian0761]

I love how passionate you were at hating Roxy😂

[@Foranoda]

26:20 please also keep in mind that she initially didn't recognize rudy as rudy. which is why she said "Hajimemashite", which you only use for first-time meetings. which is also the reason he was in despair at the time, because he thought she didn't remember him. she fell in love with "the adventurer who saved me in the dungeon", just like she said was her dream all the way back when she was travelling on the demon continent with lise and talhand

[@shin-iti]

a good piece of info that was missing is that Rudeus was stuck on the room for almost a month without properly eating. Everyone was worried cause they needed to move on and go back but Rudeus was depressed and would do nothing for weeks. Elinalise and Geese came with this idea that a man could cheer himself up if they got aome alcohol and bedded a woman. it went a bit weirdly but yeah this was mostly the reasoning (in the novel was a different but nvm this) So its not like this cured him, it was mostly to make Rudeus at least atart looking ahead because he was regressing to his hikkomori days.

[@HiddenStr3ngth]

It would have been better if some of that was shown. Him being holed up in the room for a long time, if that was shown directly. But it is pretty obvious from the visuals and some other hints in dialogues.

[@shin-iti]

​@@HiddenStr3ngth it is implied but I agree with you not enough. Roxy on the campfire implies that Rudeus was in a bad shape for a while, but not enough, that's for sure, but I am not even questioning it much.

[@juanwarrior2807]

If Rudy had not been in that state of depression, I think Rudy would never have been unfaithful to Sylphie. Rudy only saw Roxy with eyes of admiration for being his teacher and helping him with his trauma of not leaving the house, but Roxy was the one who kept seeing Rudy with eyes of desire.

[@juanwarrior2807]

Roxy only fell in love with Rudy because he was the one who rescued her from the labyrinth, which means that if any other person had rescued her, Roxy would have fallen in love with that person

[@TheUsefulOne_888]

If we're talking about 'if' anything could happen

[@raec5426]

Honestly, not sure with the narrative framing that Rudy is like Paul and that the man God suggested he maybe in situation to cheat with animal girls.

[@KyonSOSBrigad3]

8:17 well in this world they think trauma are Curses, Psicology doesnt even exist, the medieval way of thinking is thst sex is curative for man, that is part of why, also Elinalise kinda convinced Roxy to so it with him, but yeah she still took advantage.

[@ortoros3654]

The thing is, Rudy had a lot of stress, to a point of total organism shutdown. Usually in psychology you do need to restart your dophamine surge or else you may really fade away. So when people encounter a huge trauma, they are being forced to go out, to eat, to feel the flow of life again. Sex is one of the easiest ways to get dophamine, and as people here have not developed psychology, they don't know better. Basically, she tried to revive him before he die of exhaustion, because she knew that he is vulnerable and will not be able to get up by himself. With that being said, I really like your point because it did not cross my mind that she took advantage of him emotionally, making him fall in love with her because of that. Thank you for your reaction. It was great.

[@Al-eo2li]

Never bend over from the MT fandom. React the way you want, its what we love anw

[@davek8488]

Lmao nahh i love your reaction keep it up we need more spicy drama😂😂

[@bomon6654]

400+ comments…. Nah yall MAD 😂

[@knockknackk318]

Rudy actually saves some face with how the anime didn't include much of his thoughts after waking up beside Roxy. Bro thought "I screwed up" but then admits in the LN "But for some reason, my vision felt clearer, as if everything I’d anguished over had been a dream. There was still a weight, a heaviness that clung that to me, but it didn’t feel like rock bottom anymore. It wasn’t comparable to what I’d felt yesterday." So yeah for some reason the seggs helped him.

[@maoutenshi4642]

I feel that some people are unfairly demonizing Roxy after this episode and wish to offer a defense. 1) Roxy's goal was not sleeping with Rudy. As we see in the episode, Rudy was in a bad state. He shut himself away and wasn't eating. He wasn't listening to others. After all, as Roxy relates, the party was talking about him, not with him. The others decided to wait and see, but Roxy disagreed with that decision. She knows that Rudy is a lot weaker than he appears. That was the point of her flashback to little Rudy. She understood that he needed someone to help pull him up. And she is correct. We have seen that he usually needs the support of someone (Roxy, Soldat, Sylphie, ect) to rise out of his darker episodes. Sylphie wasn't available. And since they couldn't leave until Rudy was better, there was no way to reunite him with his wife. Thus Roxy resolved herself to be the one to save Rudy. When she goes to see him, she uses several tactics to try to reach him. And as each fails, she ups the ante. First she tries to get him to go outside with her. She is rejected. Next, she tries to empathize. He explodes. Then she hugs him. He is more receptive yet ultimately pulls away. It is only at the last when she uses her trump card that he responds positively. Had he been receptive to any of the earlier attempts things would not have escalated to where they did. Her priority was to help him and she wasn't going to stop until she succeeded. 2) Roxy did not take advantage of Rudy, part 1. First and foremost, at no point did he reject her advances. He did not push her away, pull away, or tell her to stop. Instead, he clasped her hand, signifying that he reciprocated. And just because one is grieving does not mean one cannot consent. It is normal for people to use sex as a means to deal with grief, stress and trauma. Whether that is healthy or not is a different topic. Let's not forget that Roxy is also grieving. Not only did she say as much, but recall that she spent six years looking for Rudy and his family. She volunteered her time and money to travel across the world for them. You don't do that unless you really care. Plus, she is desperately worried about Rudy's condition. So if Rudy is in a weakened mental state, then so is she. Just because she is expressing her grief differently doesn't mean it is not there. Again, her priority is helping Rudy, even if there are ulterior motives mixed in and her actions are mistaken. 3) Roxy did not take advantage of Rudy, part 2. Just because Roxy said she did, does not necessarily make it so. Look at what else she says. "You shouldn't blame yourself" and "It was my decision." What is she doing here? She is playing the villian. She is placing all blame for what they did on herself. It is giving Rudy an escape, an excuse. He doesn't need to feel guilty for cheating nor responsible for Roxy. She is punishing herself so Rudy doesn't punish himself. It is her way of being considerate. One might even call it selfless. 4) Sleeping with Rudy was the worst thing Roxy could have done. Yes and no. In this show, sex is an agent of change for Rudy. It is a source of both trauma (Eartheus, Eris, Sara) and healing (Sylpiette). So what are some of the results of their actions. On the positive side: it took the edge off of Rudy's depression and allowed the healing process to begin. For Roxy, she was able to help the one she loved and fulfill, if for a moment, her dream. Negative: it did not solve the core problem, guilt and confusion for Rudy, and heartbreak for Roxy. The thing about Mushoku Tensei is that nothing and no one is purely black or white. We have a bunch of flawed people doing the best they can with the resources available. There are no real right or wrong answers. Just choices and consequences. Like whether or not to go to Begaritt. Either way there may be regrets. This show is all about not dissimissing people for making mistakes. And understanding that people are more than the worst thing they have ever done. If you think Roxy was just being selfish, remember that people can have both altruistic and ulterior motives simultaneously. And for those who now find Roxy unforgivable, think about all the other "unforgivable" characters in this show. Hopefully, I was able to offer a different perspective.

[@KyonSOSBrigad3]

28:16 Understandable but i thing you are missing the point of this show, most of it comes from the world they are in, and the point is that none of this characters are perfect, same with the portrayal in the anime, Even in Light Novel mushoku tensei is very grey in its morality, One key factor: In Mushoku tensei you dont have to justify what happens, You have to understand why it happens, that is the hearth of the story. Is like Shit happens.

[@NoobyBoy81]

Roxy's dad be punching air rn

[@Fantazy1028]

Acting like he didn’t regret enough mf he just basically lost both parents what 😭

[@DerekWesterback]

As a light novel reader wanted to say some differences that will hopefully lighten the issue. Sylphie told Rudy he could have a second wife before this. Elinise all but winked and poked at Roxy as she said someone needs to have sex with Rudy to cheer him up that he cares about and it can't be her cause she's his Grandma. While Roxy also did it with him because she wanted to be with him she truly wanted to help him and was convinced this would do that which it did. Rudy hadn't eaten in over a week by then and could barely be talked into drinking and if left alone could have died from this. Also Elinise finally convinced Rudy to ask Roxy to marry him by telling him Roxy was pregnant when she wasn't. Elinise is to blame just as much for all this as Roxy or Rudy. Also they skipped over the star of this episode in skipping over Dillo which they'll hopefully get more into later.

[@CaptainBuggyTheClown]

I was mad af too by her taking advantage of rudy but after finding out she already knew he had a wife, and she would only marry him if sylphie gave consent I changed my mind. There's nothing wrong with having a poly union, what is messed up is religion or states gatekeeping marriage behind stipulations or rules. Nobody can judge the love of two or more people for each other whether mutually exclusive to them or not. Roxy, Sylphie and Rudy would be peak anime couples imo.

[@reguluscorneas1366]

Damn, Mushoku fans justifying cheating is CRAZY! Glad I dropped this long ago. I just got curious by the thumbnail and damn

[@thesnuggler5941]

If you don’t have the context can you really complain

[@eminiclam]

@@thesnuggler5941 yes. I don't need any type of context to know that sleeping with someone who isn't your partner = bad. Unless you tell me someone innocent was going to get hurt if they didn't smash then idc whats the author's excuse

[@kln.b5631]

@@eminiclam The anime changed a lot of things but the LN went as such: 1. Rudeus was in a broken state having locked himself in his room for a week, mourning his father’s death leading to him being vulnerable to Roxy’s advances. 2. Roxy forcing herself on him was because of Elinalise’s order in the first place. It was Elinalise’s idea to help Rudy through this process. (BTW, Rudy hadn’t ate properly in a few days and was quite literally days away from death. ) 3. Sylphy after knowing the details of the situation with Roxy and Rudeus, came to accept their relationship, and Roxy as his second wife as in the world of Mushoku Tensei the concept of monogamy isn’t really concrete. (Except for the followers of the Milis faith. who btw are in favor of incest as opposed to polygamy. So….. yeahhh….) That’s the context. Basically…

[@TrickyJebus]

Dont worry. no one is defending Rudy and no one is Defending Roxy. Its all about understanding and see whats gonna come of it without being too emotional. its about acceptance. not agreement with what they do. Thats how you respect the story and even enjoy it. I get it, you need emotion to be invested but theres a level of trying to not get too carried away and conflate your own ideals onto a story. Rudy has been scum ever since, Roxy too in this instance. Elinalise for pushing this as well. The story does not expect you to symphatize. it does not expect you to agree and act in the same way.

[@lordlubu3029]

Exactly, I don't get why it's so hard for people to grasp this concept. I think people are too used to watching Marvel movies and shounen anime where the main characters are supposed to be perfect and virtuous reflections of good. That isn't what Mushoku is about, it's about understanding a realistic character's growth. And just like with any real person, they will do good and they will do bad. The story isn't presenting Rudy as a perfect hero who does the right thing all the time, it's presenting him as an incredibly flawed person who nevertheless tries to be better.

[@lupusreginabeta3318]

14:54 Roxy is more like 50 to 60 years old😂

[@AnselmsAlwaysAccurate]

When I found out my aunt died, my ex (then girlfriend) comforted me with her body and then we made travel arrangements, watched a movie, and cuddled with pizza for the rest of the night. I completely understand your reaction and I even agree with it (the lightnovel was wayyyy better), but I will say some guys can be comforted physically like that.

[@Lalafluffbunny]

BY UR LOVER

[@lordlubu3029]

@@Lalafluffbunny Rudy also loves Roxy, he's loved Roxy since forever ago and he reiterates that like 3 times this episode lol

[@AnselmsAlwaysAccurate]

@@Lalafluffbunny Fair point lol

[@meetup9408]

in light nover rudy raped roxy lol audience wrath will be more insine .. i think author just wan to give break for rudy not get to much more hate anymore😂.

[@nikz200]

@@Lalafluffbunny harem anime , so it happens....

[@angelsambition2179]

I was waiting for this reaction 😭

[@traviskendrix8349]

Felt that "I'm gonna fight her". Had me dying.😂

[@10CPS]

A bit more added clarity for why Roxy chose to do this. (Whether it’s wrong or right is still up to you lol). I didn’t get the same “aggressor” vibe in the novel, and her POV definitely wasn’t horny, though she did love him. The buildup to this decision was a lot slower and they showed things day by day, with Elinalise eventually telling Roxy about how this was common in men who lost people, and how Elinalise was able to “heal” many of them through sex. Roxy asked why Elinalise didn’t help Rudy then. She replied that she’d have done it herself, but refused as she’s now Rudy’s Grandmother. (I could be wrong but I think that conversation is when Roxy learned about Sylphie). She knew about Roxy’s feelings and Rudy’s admiration towards her, and gave Roxy a push to help Rudy herself, if she really cared about him. Wild episode 🤣

[@10CPS]

Definitely a grey area, but the context shown was awful, she’s one of the kindest characters in the series and her own gain was the last thing on her mind. As an anime only it sucks because it seems like she “took” from him when he was down. And in the novel she “gave” to him. Really different vibe

[@yminkai]

28:05 Roxy like “oh hell nah, I raised this perverted little imp, and I didn’t get to tap first?! We gon fix that tonight” 😂 but yea fr, it only gets worse from here in that regard 🙃

[@pryncetazze]

So short story relating to the topic. So my male best friends girlfriend passed away from cancer. So I flew down from Massachusetts to visit and comfort him a few days later. That night he came into my room naked and... you get the idea and I didn't stop it knowing it's all grief fueled.

[@jspsand7085]

Are you planning on seeing each other?

[@shadycactus7896]

Was his married and had a child on the way?

[@pryncetazze]

@@jspsand7085 there is so much context involved in that question, but short answer not at the moment. Maybe when he accepts that he's bisexual

[@pryncetazze]

@@shadycactus7896 nope, he has two kids, but like I said this was after the death of his girlfriend so he was single.

[@BrIIghtG]

Roxy be like: "Damn, he finally legal. Lemme get my share of that real quick"

[@Yosakusan]

Quik context from the novel: 1. Roxy wasn't taking advantage of the situation to sleep with Rudeus. To her, it would have been fine even if it was Elinalise or a hooker, which were both her sugestions at first to the party members after Elinalise herself sugested that Roxy should sleep with him. 2. She said it was okay for Rudeus to go all the way with her but she never initiated it in the novel. Rudeus was the one that agressivly shoved her onto the bed. It was not an ejoyable experince for either of them. 3. What made Rudeus recover was not the sex alone, it was a long conversation he had with Roxy in the next moring, which I won't spoil cuz they might show it as a flashback, but it's very important and it was what truly made Rudeus be able to move forward. He didn't recover just from sex alone. 4. Roxy later said that she "took advantage of him" so that he would feel less guilt, but as I said, their night together wasn't enoyable to her and she didn't plan on stealing him from his wife. She litterally gained nothing from it and just wanted to confort him somehow (she chose the only way Elinalise sugested out of desperation). Mind you, this all happend an entire month after Paul died with Rudeus locked in his room.

[@Bo_3abes]

I believe it was a week to 10 days, not a month. but yeah it’s frustrating how they adapted this part.

[@InfinityCounter]

Oooooh I been waiting for this. Just to add context, they cut a lot from the episode. Rudy has actually been depressed for over a month and hasn't eaten for weeks. Roxy has been trying everything, everyday to cheer him up but he's had no emotional reaction since. Elinalise actually suggested sex as a last resort to jump start some emotional reaction from Rudy, which is what led to this scene. Though my memory is foggy in the initial novel Rudy is actually the aggressor and even during the campfire scene, Elinalise tells Rudy that Roxy is probably pregnant, which sparks his decision to propose. Also at some point Roxy learns Rudues is a reincarnator but that's actually not too relevant to the story for people besides Rudy. Doesn't change how they see him.

[@scoop1215]

And rudy also told roxy the truth about him that he is reincarnated person in a round about way.

[@gantashiro978]

The anime has done a TERRIBLE job of showing how much time has been passing between events

[@hinata365247]

​@gantashiro978 I could kind of tell when I seen Rudy face.

[@captainvanisher988]

@@gantashiro978 Not it hasn't done a "TERRIBLE" job. They have done a decent job but they could outright feed it to the audience since a lot of people weren't mentally able to catch it through imagery.

[@captainvanisher988]

The changes of Roxy being the initiator are a big improvement upon the LN. It makes much more sense that Roxy that went there to pursue intercourse with him was going to initiate it, especially in Rudy's condition at that time. The removal of Elinalise's lie is also an improvement, since it gives Rudy agency and shows that him wanting to marry Roxy wasn't out of pity.

[@Wryvan]

This would be a lot better with added context, a lot- like a lot was left out from the light novel. But keep in mind, this takes place in a *different world* where people's *morals and values are different.*

[@Galaxy0522]

FINALLY a person with common sense and not blaming on Rudy when it was Roxy taking advantage of him

[@gabrielcabral6142]

Honestly, your reaction is super valid. Knowing the details from the LN does justify a little of Roxy's actions although not much. Rudeus wasn't eating or getting out of bed for weeks, so everyone was worried about Rudy's health decaying so much. Roxy and some people of the party were discussing what to do and how nothing they did so far has worked to make him get better, that's when Elinalise said that if he slept with someone he cared about he would feel better. Roxy then got this idea and took to heart.. So although wrong and disgusting, Roxy did want to save him there which is something at least. Like, she tried to talk him out of it and to get him out of the room first but he refused, there's nothing much else she could have done

[@makere-3]

Lalafluffbunny being Norn for 30min.

[@user-cw9sh5tq3p]

I wonder how all the guys praising Rudy's "dual wielding" would react if they suddenly found themselves in Sylphie's place

[@MisterNive]

Sylphie is not a follower of Millis(a monogamous faith) and has already brought forth the option for other wives earlier this cour. Rudy is the one who shut that down and promised not to. The real mistake is breaking that promise. If this was a story set in a modern setting then I'd agree 100% with your point.

[@mezacharia]

I'm not one of the guys "praising" Rudy's dual wielding. However, I've been in Sylphie's place (I've been cheated on). If my Significant Other was on the verge of suicide and having sex with some other person would prevent that, I would prefer they had sex than to be dead.

[@user-cw9sh5tq3p]

@@MisterNive I agree with you. He made a promise, and, in my opinion, broke it too easily

[@user-cw9sh5tq3p]

@@mezacharia I'm sorry that happened to you. I also think that them having sex with other person is better than killing themselves. However, this episode did not make me feel like it was the only way to save Rudy. Also, he moved on too quickly from Paul's death, didn't try to end his affair right away and didn't even speak of Sylphie for the longest time. It may be the anime's fault (although I doubt reading ln would make me feel much better), but the whole Rudy/Roxy thing feels way too rushed and awkward right now

[@user-cw9sh5tq3p]

@@TheRoleplayer40k and if it was a man?

[@AJ-ic6ck]

Its nice to see different reactions for this part of the story. I'm with the side of people being okay with it but I love seeing you go crazy on this part. Mushoku Tensei's got a lot of polarizing moments and its personally one of the reasons why I love it. Its a great story with a great world and great characters. While the anime may never translate the novel 1:1, I'd rather have it having an anime than not having it at all. I'm glad to hear that you enjoy the overarching story even though there are parts that you don't agree with, I hope you'll continue to react to this anime even with the later seasons in the future. Love the reaction! Looking forward for the remaining episodes.

[@afgnnzw]

I don't understand how people think the show is wanting you to sympathize with Roxy. Maybe to an extent, but I think it's pretty clear you're meant to understand this is a fucked up situation and people sometimes do fucked up things, from both sides.

[@ikyubi131]

HOLY FUCK YOUR REACTION KILLED ME. Best reaction to the episode EVERRRR

[@user-ll9np5dp8p]

imagine in Naruto, when Jiraiya died, Sakura or Hinata makes a move on Naruto... omg😂😂

[@colonelkenpachi5009]

Brother, that would have actually made me invested in any relationship in Naruto. That would have been better and more interesting than what they gave us.

[@lordlubu3029]

That would actually unironically be peak

[@Kenny0z]

It's fine to not see eye to eye with Roxy but from her point of view: 1. She loves Rudy 2. She is not worshipper of Millis (having multiple lovers is fine) 3. Rudy was so down that only quick "fix" would be to sleep with him. Seeing Rudy in that state was painful to Roxy. 4. Others suggested it (although this scene was not shown in anime)

[@pedrocks1312]

This was a fantastically hilarious reaction! I loved it so much! I'm so glad that you were very transparent with your disgust and uncomfortable feelings about this whole situation. It goes to show that certain situations and actions simply do not sit well with certain people. This is PERFECTLY OK! I can help clarify some things to help you better understand why Roxy's actions weren't as heinous as you may first believe from a psychological/situational standpoint. I'll be using mainly what happened here in the anime and a few little tidbits from the LN just to unravel the confusing wording they used here. TLDR: Roxy sacrificed herself as well as any possible future with Rudy just so he can get better and look forward to the future even if it paints her as the villain. (So you weren't wrong in feeling angry at Roxy. That was kinda~ her goal xD) Roxy admits later in the anime that she already knew that Rudy was married and with a child on the way because of the conversation she had with Elinelise, Geese, Talehand, and Lilia. So let's delve into that point and unravel why this wasn't as bad as it sounded. Everyone was worried about Rudy and his inability to leave his room for days, nearly weeks, with no sign of getting better. Roxy was extremely worried and asked everyone what they could do to help. Lots of ideas were tossed around, but none seemed to stick, so they begrudgingly came to the conclusion that everything would be fine since they believed Rudy was a strong person and would get over it eventually. Seeing as you really seem to know how a person who is suffering feels, you must also know that some people have a much harder time getting out of their funk than others. Similarly, that's when Roxy begins to remember how much trouble Rudy had getting over his mental struggles as a child and uses this reasoning to urge everyone to think of another way to help him. (I know that sounds weird to you, but it further emphasizes the blurry lines in which this world sees age. Back then when Rudy complimented her on her appearance, Roxy said that if he still feels the same way in 10 years, say it to her again. *Spoiler warning!* Lol xD) That's when the idea of having a women cheer him up came into play since, from their experience (they don't have any knowledge or facilities for mental health in this world), it usually helps when a man is feeling depressed or stressed. Roxy, being the virgin that she is, didn't understand what they meant right away. Then everyone else looked at Elinelise since this was her area of "expertise". She quickly turned down the idea, but Roxy asked "why?" If Elinelise knew of a way to help him why couldn't she use her knowledge to help Rudy? Well, that's because her way of helping someone was to have segs with them. Roxy was a little shocked, but given the severity of Rudy's situation she still asked Elinelise why she couldn't sleep with Rudy. Talehand suggested a brothel, but Geese interjected and said that Rudy wouldn't want to do it with someone he has no connection with. Awkwardly enough, Geese then suggest that Lilia be the one to make Rudy "feel better". Lilia just shot him an angry look and he swiftly gave up on that idea. So that's when Roxy asked Elinelise once more. Even though Roxy loved Rudy, she was willing to try any method possible to help him even if she wasn't the one doing it. That's when Elinelise dropped the bomb of Rudy's marriage and incoming child. That shocked Roxy like crazy. So you could imagine the countless of different emotions coursing through Roxy at this moment. She was suddenly in this "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. Very similar to Rudy when making the decision to go help save Zenith. If she does nothing, Rudy will become a hikikomori again, but if she does "it" she'll be hated by Rudy's family and possibly break up a happy relationship. So even though she loved him, she was feeling really conflicted. You also have to realize that NO ONE was going to help Rudy. They probably (especially Zenith) wouldn't have survived the journey back without him and his magic, so they needed to do something soon. That's when Roxy asks Elinelese for advice and so she helps Roxy come up with a plan/tips to help Rudy "cheer up". That's when Roxy makes up her mind to help Rudy. When Roxy first walks into the room we see her lock the door. I know it might've looked suspicious, but it demonstrated how incredibly determined she was in helping Rudy no matter what. Even if he yells, pushes her, tries to run away, or even she herself starts to waver, the locked door will help remind her of her resolve. We then see Roxy try some of the main methods to helping someone who's suffering through depression (not in any specific order): words of affirmation, understanding, encouragement, embracing/physical touch, change of topic (getting their mind off of what they're thinking of), and love/affection. Most of these which she had to learn from Elinelise because Roxy was such a noob at all of this stuff. When someone is clearly struggling with something mentally, you do EVERYTHING in your power to make sure they come out of that situation alive and mentally intact. Some people have varying mental capacities to help, but if yours is very high, then "doing your best" is what could save someone from complete mental annihilation. Roxy first begins with a distraction. A change of scenery is usually very helpful for those who have secluded themselves for a long period of time. Even if it's a walk down the hall or to the porch to get some sun, this can be enough. But this idea fails right away. (I could relate. I hate going out when I don't need to lol) The next thing she tries was to bridge the gap. Finding some kind of common ground or understanding goes a long way with someone who has their mind going 200/mph/km a minute. It helps bring a person back to reality and distracts them long enough to stop the endless cycle of negative thoughts. Granted, like you said, it doesn't always work with some people. It could come off as sounding annoying or preachy, but it's still a method commonly used for suicide attempts (I used to do this all of the time with my GF years ago by talking about pokemon, anime, my own hardships, or anything else that came to mind). Unfortunately Rudy is also not believing it. Roxy clearly doesn't know any of his triggers since she hasn't been around him long enough, but she still continues to try to bridge the gap and get him to understand that he's not alone in his struggles. Remember that sometimes when we get so caught up in our thoughts and are isolated for long periods of time, we forget that we are actually surrounded by people who care and love us. Unfortunately some of us are more stubborn than most, so that's why we end up seeing Rudy push away from this type of help too. He is relapsing to how he used to be in his old life where any type of help is no help. We saw in the Norn episode where no matter how much Rudy's brother tried to talk to him and help him (this was for months btw), Rudy would not budge. That should've cemented the fact that Rudy would do the same thing here. And that's NOT healthy or ok. He was on the verge of COMPLETELY reverting back to how he used to be. It was his "comfort" zone, so it wouldn't have been a challenging transition whatsoever. And even if they did manage to drag him back home, he would've been an empty husk by then. Then his newly born child would've had to deal with a mentally dead father, a helpless mother, and growing up not knowing what true love looked like. It would've ended up being a pure tragedy. (1/)

[@pedrocks1312]

So to avoid a horrid future for Rudy, Roxy then pressed on and became more aggressive with her attempts to help Rudy snap out of his depression since her previous attempts have failed. She then began using physical touch. Some people would find this either really comforting or greatly disturbing. But the thing is you won't know unless you try. She starts by holding the hand and consoling him further, however she ends up stepping into one of his triggers. It causes Rudy to restart the self-depreciative thoughts and spiral once more. Roxy then does the best thing in this situation which was to NOT immediately negate or stop these thoughts (a negative followed by a negative could end in disaster), but instead she acknowledges his words without defying him and presses on with her affection and rewords/tries a different approach from earlier making sure she doesn't trigger him again. She emphasizes that she's struggling along with Rudy, and if he allows it, they can struggle together so the weight isn't so overbearing. At this point, Roxy has already pushed herself to the very limit of her knowledge while holding him and hopes that this would be enough to help him regain his senses. But then we see Rudy push back again because he's about to run away and completely fall into the abyss. That's when Roxy notices this and becomes desperate enough to go for the ultimate move, her last trump card to help Rudy. As much as she wanted to do it with Rudy, she simply wanted to help him even more. It was both selfish and selfless at the same time. "It's paradoxical, and yet, it works!" Now... I want to clarify that doing it with Rudy was NOT the "cure" to lift his depression. It was more like the shovel that opened up an exit in the hole that Rudy dug himself into. This action then would allow Rudy to stand up and BEGIN the long and difficult climb to recovery. I've heard many people say that the show tried to advertise that "sex cures depression". No, absolutely not. It can, however, momentarily stop most of the negative thoughts one might be thinking as well as help recover some of the self-confidence that they lost along the way. Sex doesn't cure depression, but it can alleviate some of it's symptoms. "Post-nut clarity" if that makes more sense to some people. So Rudy is still very much at the bottom of the hill when it comes to his recovery, however at least he's not underground being buried by his survival's guilt and his regrets. And just like that time where Roxy first gave him the push to leave his house when he was struggling with agoraphobia, she helped give Rudy a push to leave the inn so he can finally start to properly grieve his father's death, look forward to the future, and take part in his important duties. Now with a slightly clearer mind, Rudy is finally able to leave his room and take care of his responsibilities. Yes, we all would've loved to see him look/feel more ashamed for what he did, but he has things to do. Besides the fact that this was something he's been wanting to do for over a decade, he knows better than to bring it up and belittle Roxy's attempts to helping him feel better right then and there. Throughout the rest of their interactions with one another, Roxy tries her best to set up her boundaries and keep what they did as a favor to help Rudy get back on his feet and nothing more. Of course she slips up and still shows him affection, but whenever Rudy tries to bring things closer, she keeps him at arms distance. Roxy is basically acting like the adult and making sure things don't go farther than they already have. Even in the LN when they get attacked by a succubus again, Rudy tries to go after Roxy, but she puts an end to it with a detoxification spell as well, lol. She then admits her feelings and the "truth" behind her actions, but the truth wasn't in the literal way that she said it. Yes, she "took advantage" when Rudy was at one of his lowest moments, but at no point did she do it to manipulate and actually take advantage of Rudy. Not once did she recommend they run away together or that he leave Sylphie and his future child. She might've been in love with him and wanted to spend the night with him, but in no realistic reality did she see herself actually getting with Rudy and taking him for herself. This was a situation where things were dire and this was the best choice a medieval-aged world could think up to help someone in need. I loved your example of the family vaycay, but unfortunately, they don't have cellphones here, Sylphie was crazy far away, and age gaps aren't really an issue even if you did watch your future significant other grow up in diapers. In a world where a demon could live anywhere from 200-20,000+ years old, they might take on several partners throughout their lives if they end up with several short-lived races. Imagine that after their significant other dies, their next one hasn't even been born yet, so this logic doesn't really apply here. It would be nice, but this would become unreasonable for those who live seemingly forever. And if you think Rudy would consider the age gap as well, you'd be very disappointed. He lived his entire life as a shut in, then died and ended up in a world of fantasy and magic. Most of his "modern reasoning" left him or at the very least didn't hold much weight the moment he was able to cast his first water ball. Then there's the fact that similar to Rudy, Roxy also has a very low self-esteem. She doesn't believe that Rudy loves her or finds her that attractive at all. Another reason why she didn't think having sex with him would be all that meaningful, since she didn't think that he'd fall for someone like her; someone who's unattractive and someone who "tried" to take him away from his wife. But even Rudy understood what she did and why she did it. He understands because he knows from experience how hard it is to pull someone out of a dark place, so sometimes you have to do something unthinkable to achieve that. That's something that Rudy GREATLY appreciates about Roxy's actions, that's why he offered to do something to repay her in any way he possibly can because he KNOWS how difficult her decision must have been. He was able to take himself out of his mind, out of the situation, and observe it objectively. He knew that if she didn't do what she did, they would probably still be in that inn for God knows how long while he and everyone else around him spirals into chaos. You've made some very good points about how scummy Roxy's actions were, the delivery and portrayal of this overall message was a little off for anime-only's (and I guess a lot of Light Novel readers on Twitter too xD), and how poor little Timmy grew up to be a handsome young man. These are all VALID points. Even if you don't feel differently after everything I said, know that everything that you're feeling is perfectly valid. On the surface, that's exactly what Roxy and the writers expected you to feel. I just hope you would have a different perspective going into the next episode knowing that there was no meliaceous intent with anyone's actions and that there was more underneath the surface that was shown here. Even Elinelise's advice to marry Roxy came from the knowledge that Rudy can be very indecisive on top of the fact that Roxy was her best friend first before she became (found out about being) Sylphie's grandmother. (2/)

[@The1commenterguy]

Nah I feel yuh with the seathing I felt during this episode (Even with the LN context mentioned in the comments). The deliberate premeditated selfish behavior had me like dafuq u think u doin?! THNX for keepin the reaction Real

[@viciousoz4188]

It's a fantasy. Who cares 😴

[@azumag4432]

​@@viciousoz4188Yeah...Fiction in a fictional World with fictional characters (so it's not even with "Live Action" real characters). That's why I had zero problems with "Redo of Healer".

[@viciousoz4188]

@@azumag4432 No problems with Redo of Healer either (: It's still fantasy

[@KDW1193]

I just want to point out that this stuff is NOT uncommon. There are a lot of women who think vagina is a cure to men problems. It’s happened to me before. But I did feel a bit better lowkey….😅😅

[@Lalafluffbunny]

😭😂 idk if I should be laughing at that last part I'm sorry for whatever problem u had

[@spoodermanxxmlgxx]

Ong thats how it be dawg, like it doesn’t fix the issue but ngl I feel better now 💀

[@fatrown3]

It's not a perfectly analogous, but in my experience this actually works. My grandma who I was close to died when I was out of state training. I came back for the funeral and my GF spent the night with me after. It did help me get the page turned to the next chapter. Though like I said, it's not quite the same as it was my grandma and I had already mourned with my remaining family prior, and I was not in a state of holding up in a room for several weeks without eating

[@ElyonDominus]

Man, it is crazy how bad Rudeus' luck is with partners like this. Eris was an adult and he was not when they shared a bed. He has to take medication to force his body to be able to handle being intimate with a girl he's fallen in love with at least twice. Then he experiences severe trauma, partially reverts to his past self, and the woman he worships as an actual deity forces herself onto him. And people are going to find someway to make him the real bad guy in this whole thing. Nah, he's the only one with even a fraction of an excuse to shield himself from the harshest ends of criticism. Everyone else involved knew what was going to happen and knew about the power dynamic between the two. Anyone that let that happen sent that woman in to feast upon their sacrifice.

[@ynvhalc5856]

Lala , your feelings and mine are the same here , I think , that crawling feeling of discomfort and disgust and anger is everywhere here , no heroes or morals , but please , If you can , stick with this story, it being this ugly makes it beautiful in a strange way . Not a lot of fiction can make people feel this strongly .

[@lordlubu3029]

100% agree. I think the fact that the story can evoke such emotions is proof of how good the writing is.

[@gx1492]

I respect your reaction. In the light novel, there is a scene where Elinalise, Geese, Talhand, and Roxy discuss Rudeus, who has been holed up in his room for over a week. Geese and Talhand recall that Elinalise always said that sleeping with a woman would cure such situations, and they suggest it to her. However, Elinalise refuses, thinking that if she sleeps with Rudeus, he would end up betraying both Cliff and Sylphy, which would cause a rift in their current relationships. Since they couldn't come up with any other solution, Elinalise, Geese, and Talhand reluctantly agree that Rudeus will likely resolve it on his own with time, and they disperse. Unlike the other three, Roxy remembers the weak Rudeus who couldn't take a single step outside until she brought him out of his house, and she believes that he won't be able to get up on his own in this situation. She heads to his bedroom, leading to the scene in the anime. As Roxy said, she did have some impure intentions, and despite knowing that Rudeus is married, she ended up going through with it, so it's hard to praise her unreservedly. However, it's also true that Roxy's actions were driven by her concern for Rudeus, even more than what was depicted in the anime. While the result is the same, knowing the context might change your perspective a bit. Either way, this was a controversial episode, and I think honest opinions are the most important. I hope that this episode doesn't cause you to drop this series. Apologies for the long message. From a Japanese viewer.

[@animemuse8613]

To be fair, sylpha said that having another wife was ok as long as they discussed it before hand. They didn’t discuss it before hand but still, she end up being ok with it

[@_Licentia]

before I give my own opinion I want to say that I love this reaction and I appreciate you being so forward with your own opinions (because we literally watch you to hear your opinions)! and I want to clarify that as much as I 100% understand and appreciate your opinions on this matter, I want you to never forget that if something happens in this show, it happens because it's written that way. If roxy one day decides to kill sylphie, cut all of rudy's limbs and murder his kid it wouldn't make the show worse for me, but it makes roxy an evil character. The only way it could affect my opinion on the show is if roxy shows no signs of these things before, and suddenly gets a complete change of character for absolutely no reason. But in this case, roxy has been showing signs of how much she fell in love with Rudeus, and we also saw how jealous of elinalise she was during their travel so she clearly wanted to engage in that action just didn't want to do it with strangers. So basically what I'm trying to say is, I hate it when people criticize this show for what it has. Just because it shows a character taking advantage of someone else doesn't mean the writer wants everyone watching to do the same thing. If anything it shows you how messed up this situation is tbh. If that was the case every action movie ever would be promoting murder. I personally don't get bothered by stuff like this because 1- I know it's fiction 2- I know it's ethically acceptable in their world as long as you're not religious (as elinalise mentioned) 3- I know it's medieval era so things like concubines, polyamorous relationships, even sex slaves are legal and accepted (although the last one sucks so much) 4- it's always a very specific chain of events that lead to stuff like this in series, like it's the equivalent of a public transport vehicle shaking as someone is walking next to you and them falling on your lap irl, if paul didn't die or zenith didn't end up like this, I highly doubt rudeus would be this devasted (because he could argue that paul died for a good cause, or achieved his goal to save zenith and he could at least think that she is healthy and safe, or vice versa) which would mean roxy wouldn't be going to his room to "make him feel better" and she wouldn't be able to take advantage of him. 5- it always has a reason. but yeah of course roxy is wrong here for forcing him and rudeus is wrong for not saying anything and actually going with it, it just isn't enough to make me hate either of these characters or the show itself

[@Buff_boochi]

Second sword acquired 😂

[@envydemxzer5065]

Ion blame u if u wanna drop it but I hope u don’t bc it’s gonna get really good🙏🤧

[@faresty7279]

Tbh just let her drop it. Hate hypocrites like her. Roxy an angel girl who was nothing but an angel throughout the whole anime made 1 mistake that she acknowledged and tried to fix: "NEVER SHOW HER FACE AGAIN". Mass murdereds, betrayers and liers: "it's okay he might redeem himself" 😂😂😂

[@FwGrimmm]

@@faresty7279my brother in Christ it is not nearly that deep, the anime studio cut out the most important shit and in this situation it does paint her in a bad light.

[@envydemxzer5065]

@@faresty7279 it is what it is man 🤧 some peolpe don’t mind but some do mind.

[@envydemxzer5065]

@@FwGrimmm ye the anime really doesn’t do the LN justice. Like last week episode 🤧

[@faresty7279]

@@FwGrimmm Doesn't it tik you off that she basically completely abandoned Roxy's character? Not trying to understand why she did it, not trying to put herself in her place, not listening to a single thing she says because she did something rash without thinking.

[@knockknackk318]

I think Roxy is really unfair for taking advantage on a vulnerable Rudeus in an anime perspective. But the feeling to blame her as much didn't rise that much to me while reading due to how the context was given in the LN. The reason why she thought sleeping with Rudy to alleviate his depression was mostly due to Geese, as he suggested in front of Roxy and others that Elinalise should "cheer" him up and Elinalise shuts down this idea because she wanted to be loyal to Cliff and also finally breaking the news to Roxy that Rudy's married. Which she didn't take quite well, because she felt stupid for pining on Rudy all this time while everyone just observed without telling her. Still, Geese went on as if laying with a woman is the only thing to help Rudy until they just decided to leave him alone due to Talhand's words. There might've been a chance that if Geese never said anything about it, Roxy would've made a different approach.

[@gabrielcedeno9517]

What more regret do you want? lol he lost both parents. As someone who last his father horribly, I can tell you losing one tragically is enough.

[@AnselmsAlwaysAccurate]

The "Little Timmy" analogy is on point! Groomer got groomed

[@alexusman]

Someone already forgot events from 2 weeks ago. She literally didn't recognize Rudy at first when he appeared and she fell for him. Love be like that, it gets it's claw in even from you noticing some minor detail and then you've lost and it've won.

[@captainvanisher988]

Can't "groom" an adult. And Rudy didn't groom anyone.

[@solsticeo]

11:50 love your genuine reaction, this likely represent the women perspective perfectly, and this show does intentionally stir a lot of emotion

[@lupusreginabeta3318]

The bad thing for you is she is now going to be one of the 2 most important side characters 🤣 So a lot of screen time 😂

[@luciayowai125]

After watching this part of the episode, my very first thought was "Uh oh, Lala's gonna be so mad"

[@RivanFagli]

that's the most normal reaction can be. i like your reaction 😂

[@bruhh...........]

I love mushoku tensei but I won't defend even something what happen here. But I do love your reaction!! you're genuine, I know you're pissed on what happen but I love your reaction. Hope you're doing well. ❤❤

[@petis1976]

They also skipped Rudeus telling Roxy about the Reincarnated man and Roxy realizing it was Rudeus.