Dishonoring Men: Are Therapists Being Trained to Despise White Males? with Maurice Kaehler

[@KOME11]

As a Straight White Man, Despise is absolutely the word. In 2018 I had been in/out of homelessness for 3 years due to CPTSD. I was seeing a therapist at the time for being suicidal, and one day I went into her office, curled up on the floor and started saying things like "it doesn't get better for white men, everyone hates me for being a white man, etc." I remember finally looking up at her and she had a cruel smile on her face, as if she was just FEEDING off of my pain. I was actively suicidal and had access to a gun. In retrospect, I realize now that at work there was a group of feminist women who were psychologically torturing me with games, threats, intimidation tactics etc. The therapist I had knew this, but was extremely skilled at changing the conversation. I know now that she supported them, and have a strong gut feeling that this therapist wanted me to take my own life. After 9 years of therapy, I have only ever found 1 therapist who I genuinely felt like they wanted to help me. He was an older straight white man. I look forward to a day where we hold memorial services for the Straight White Men who took their own lives due to the hate from the left, and the cruelty of the therapists they confided in. I'm immensely grateful for the 2 of you for hosting these talks so that myself and others can heal. 🙏

[@theradicalcenter]

Thank you for taking the time to share this experience. How horrible. I'm so sorry this happened to you.

[@EdwinRichard-e9m]

Sir, thank you so much for sharing that. It's helping to change things for the better. I can at least give you some good news from Canada. There is an organization, the CCMF (Canadian Centre for Men and Families) that's growing and is doing good work to change the narrative around men. The organization had a hand in producing "The Red Pill" documentary from years ago (it's name was CAFE at the time). Your wish might be granted yet.

[@ribbrascal]

@@KOME11 Wow. My heart goes out to you, brother Stay strong, I've been there too 💪🏻

[@kadams4458]

Thank you for sharing that. I've had so many similar encounters with people in my life similar to your interaction with that therapist, that I now fully understand why the concept of the demonic exists. Some people are dangerously screwy like that. Keep going, friend. You're never really alone out there.

[@KOME11]

@@kadams4458 My treatment from therapists is why I now believe in God. Not because I saw God, but because I saw Evil. It truly is real, and it's so beautiful to know that no matter how much this world turns against me, God is there to help.

[@ribbrascal]

I just entered therapy again. White guy. He totally understands my distress about anti-white animus, especially male. My previous therapist in 2021 was an anti-woke Nigerian woman. So I've been very lucky, apparently.

[@simpinainteasy680]

The Africans are so Based.

[@yakhooves]

I'm seeing the younger people exiting these programs with that mindset. Personally, I'm a latino man. There were little shades of this mentality when I was in grad school in the late 2000's, but I'm kinda a loud guy who loves debate, and always called it out, under the, "well, I reckon that there are lots and lots of white men who will want to try therapy too... and I can't see that treating them as if they're at fault for not just their own problems, but the country's problems as well, as all that helpful." Back then, I got kinda stuttering nonsense in response like, "oh, that's not what we're saying! We just mean you should keep this in MIND while working with white patients..." even though it certainly sounded like they had picked out their boogey man already... It sure sounds like I woulda gotten my brown ass kicked out of the program these days for my obvious "internalized white supremacy," *eye roll * because it sure does seem like this mindset has taken hold. One of my younger friends who went through his program in the late 2010's reported there were plenty of times where he felt personally attacked, being the only white man present. "I don't really get it. They were pretty much all white women, but they were acting as if they were excused from their own silly criticism... it was really weird." Was his observation.

[@tomsmith6513]

lol in a room where it's white women vs white men, what does it have to do with race? It's like dividing two multiples of the same number by that same common factor. You start with the fraction 27/15. You divide top and bottom by 3 and get 9/5. 27/15 and 9/5 have the same value.

[@simpinainteasy680]

​@@tomsmith6513so excuse the blatant misandry because it's white women. Great.

[@KarlosKoba]

Lol Actual White Man Here. 🧿🤍🙋🏼‍♂️🤍🧿 I am 33 years old. I wasn't just "a little bad" back in the Early 2000s' for me and my White Brothers where I grew up.... IT WAS FUCKIN BAAAAAD.

[@ribbrascal]

@@KarlosKoba How so?

[@Ubu987]

@@KarlosKoba It's been fuckin bad since the late 70s, but the combination of radical feminism with Critical Race Theory makes a perfect storm. They really do hate you and want you dead.

[@dontarguewithidiots7459]

This is so gut wrenching:( I cannot see putting myself through this emotional ABUSE simply so I could help people. There are other ways to practice compassion and make the world a better place. Good GOD. Literally SMH...

[@apersonwhoknows]

I happen to have a sibling that's majoring in psychology and wonder what kind of stuff she's being taught. One more semester for her. It's one thing to listen to people of other backgrounds. But no one should feel attacked simply cause they're male or white. Everyone needs equal of care.

[@SaraAllen-ui5wz]

I worked extremely hard in school and secured a place at a top UK university to study Psychology with a minor in Philosophy. This was over 30yrs ago. Even so many years ago, it wreaked of conformity, passive learning and indoctrination. I could not, with sound intent complete the course. I felt almost desecrated by the choice information I heard. I have mourned my academic achievement for 30 years. I have helped my community more via customer service and retail positions

[@tomsmith6513]

@SaraAllen-ui5wz it probably would have been better studying engineering lol

[@Enkidoo]

​@SaraAllen-ui5wzThat's tragic. I'm sorry. There's a lot of systemic emotional abuse going on these days. Under the unassailable flag of Social Justice (TM). I hear a lot of tragic things about the U.K. these days. Pardon my ignorance if you disagree. But from across the pond it looks like cultural sue e-side.

[@SaraAllen-ui5wz]

@@tomsmith6513 you are not wrong!!! I should have studied Maths or Engineering.

[@SaraAllen-ui5wz]

@@Enkidoo spot on my friend. Indulging in thought is a minefield over here and has been for decades.

[@room2growrose623]

This is going to have such long standing effects it will destroy society.

[@giftofgabbery]

I’m a massage therapist and we had to do 2 4 hour classes taking about White oppression. Some of the questions asked specifically about White supremacy. I raised my hand at the beginning of class and said if no one talks about this stuff then I won’t, but if people want to talk about it it will compromise class cohesion. Of course people wanted to talk about it, and I wasn’t going to sit there for 8 hours being raked over the coals for being a White male and not respond. What did any of this have to do with massage therapy? It’s pure indoctrination, and an attack against Whites, specifically White males.

[@ribbrascal]

@@giftofgabbery I was also a massage therapist. I'm morbidly curious when and where this was taught Nothing like this was ever pushed on me when I went to the Swedish Institute in NYC 20 years ago Also morbidly curious about the class's response to you, and the teacher's, whom I'll assume was a woke white woman

[@giftofgabbery]

@ I went to massage school in 2022, in Washington State. The instructor was specifically hired for the class, she was Black and started off the conversation with “I’ve been called a n**** r a number of times in my life.” Most of the class were angry at me by the end of it all. Most of the women and “of color” people wanted White people to explain their bias to the class and how they can take action to eradicate whiteness. It was a charged situation. I maintained respectful tone but flat out rejected the nonsense. Some people were crying and hugging each other during break. This was a couple months into our schooling and it creates a rift that lasted the whole school year. The rift wasn’t ion my end. I wasn’t angry, just not a doormat.

[@ribbrascal]

@@giftofgabbery Thanks, Washington makes perfect sense Now I want to investigate my school to see if they've implemented this dogshit Wth does any of this have to do with massage therapy lol 🥴 I've massaged non-whites before. I'm racking my brain wondering what sort of "Whiteness" or bias I could've deployed The only things that made me wince were janky toenails on 50+ year old white men, and a few unfortunate incidents with skin issues and, well, female-specific aroma. And they still received my 100% effort and skill And smile

[@ribbrascal]

@@giftofgabbery I wrote a long response and "They" zapped it, big shock

[@charleshopper4638]

Been going on for a long time.

[@richardfeit8296]

Thanks, yah felt the same and actually blew off the opportunity to become a licensed therapist because of the biases and frankly misandry. I will not sign a DEI agreement. It's a hate movement at its core.

[@EdwinRichard-e9m]

Was the "APA Guidelines for Psychological Practice with Boys and Men (Aug. 2018)" one of the reasons you noticed the biases/misandry? I'm not part of the field but I've seen that document and it's not nice to men/boys at all.

[@samirdhindhwal8701]

This is your Jedi training. Hold until relieved. Brilliant. Wonderful, soulful, heartbreaking discussion. Thank you Leslie and thank you Maurice

[@MobileMood]

Your content is outstanding.

[@theradicalcenter]

Thanks very much 🙏

[@ADHDDude]

I graduated from my MSW program in 1998 from a program that was entirely ideologically captured (before the term existed). A significant portion of classroom discussions were focused on the "evils" of white males. I received poor clinical training because so much course content and time was taken up by my classmates' virtual signaling to show how much disdain they had for white men (despite the fact most of them were white and married to white men). It is not just clinicians who are being taught to despise white males; it is any person who has been exposed to critical social justice (CSJ) ideology, particularly those active on social media. There is also highly selective empathy for white men, as according to the CSJ religion, white men are not deserving of empathy unless, of course, they can check off a box of being part of a historically marginalized group and choose to make that the main focus on their identity. I appreciate you covering this topic.

[@ericstrand2505]

Such a great and insightful conversation. Quality work, from start to finish. Thank you both. 🙏

[@nschul4]

Come get a degree in healing at our modern school! Oh, but actually, take home PTSD instead.

[@EdwinRichard-e9m]

If I may, I don't find it surprising that he was attacked for being a white male. The university environment has been harboring/cultivating an ideology that needs to designate an oppressor class and an oppressed class (to generate class conflict). White males were designated as an oppressor class. I've seen a lot of this anti-male/anti-white rhetoric in my sociology classes (and I took a lot of them), even as a far back as 2014. What I found even more shocking was when the literature for this anti-male/white rhetoric was written: a lot of it was written in the 90s. Some even earlier.

[@KarlosKoba]

Lol ohhh wowwww 🙄 2014???!? 🙄🤦🏼‍♂️😒😔

[@KarlosKoba]

This has been going on for a very very long time, brother Edwin. 🤦🏼‍♂️😔🙏🏻🤍🕊️ Bless you anyway

[@EdwinRichard-e9m]

@@KarlosKoba Oh yeah, that far back. We had to know what Critical Race Theory was, we had to know something about Post-Modernism, we had to learn Marxism/Critical Theory (in almost every single sociology class I ever took) and we had to know what Anti-Racism was just to pass several exams. Anti-Racism was young back then so we didn't linger on it much. It was nowhere near the nightmare it is now. I don't have many notes left from then, but with the few that I have, I can tell (in retrospect) that we were looking at the seeds of the woke movement.

[@alizaofbrooklyn]

Sounds a lot like my institute. I’ve got stories…

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

Wonderful conversation, between Ms. Leslie and Mr. Maurice. Was nice to see guest in chat and much interesting / thoughtful discussion 🐈

[@mauricekaehler5053]

👍

[@findbridge1790]

Lesley looks so nice in that outfit. classy.

[@theradicalcenter]

Thanks! :)

[@HondoTrailside]

That is the brown eyes blue eyes thing. Nothing new. Funny they have a program that has a 90-10 gender balance, and they are talking about the men taking up space. Should have put that class up on youtube.

[@genxile669]

I keep thinking about the phrase “no margin for bullshit.” It all kind of comes down to that.

[@dontarguewithidiots7459]

I always think of the line from Succession: Roy tells his kids "You're not serious people" That's how I think of the woke. They are utterly unserious people.

[@dontarguewithidiots7459]

Remember Jodi Shaw? Exemplar of bravery that she is/was? (along with you btw, bless you both). She was mentioned/interviewed on Megan Kelly's podcast the other day. And in MK's speech at the Trump rally.

[@theradicalcenter]

I saw that! Very cool!

[@ribbrascal]

@@dontarguewithidiots7459 Jodi Shaw is a gem

[@peterjrmoore3941]

9:36 - actually, in CA there's no law or ethics code forbidding touch - a common misunderstanding

[@millergdonald]

Do all therapists go to therapists, and if so, who is the boss therapist who doesn't need one?

[@DigitalPsyche]

Personal therapy is a vital part of training that today frequently goes unaddressed.

[@corneliusfoley1443]

God.

[@bobmalooga335]

Therapy is a scam. Just over educated women who think they're better than you and want to tell you how to think

[@AndyJarman]

Fight, fight, fight, fight !😂

[@bobmalooga335]

@@DigitalPsyche are you a therapist?

[@philipmoss4027]

A somewhat strange guy, with a hard edge under the soft voice, but intelligent. And again...and again and again, we see how deformed schooling and training for therapists has become. What a profession!

[@simpinainteasy680]

Why say strange guy? Pretty shady.

[@KarlosKoba]

Calling the White Man talking about life experiences to be "STRANGE" is not good. 😒 Antiwhitism is WRONG and IMMORAL. ALWAYS. 😒

[@marzmarch]

As a white male in the field, absolutely.

[@helmeteye]

The dude must have been a princess growing up to not have known about this stuff. He himself had been living in a self-imposed bubble. The indoctrinations that are going on in higher learning is being done to the willing.

[@shrodingerscat4191]

I wouldn't be surprised

[@bpm990d]

Not going to set myself up for abuse at that hands of some weirdo that has a rainbow flag on their webpage. Would like to see a therapist's bio that that says I'm not a kooky loon. Oh, right that does not exist. The entire industry is bankrupt at this point. Thanks for nothing.

[@dontarguewithidiots7459]

There are good therapists out there but they are usually older or consciously stay out of the politics. It's HARD to find a good one. Keep at it. But i agree with your underlying point, they are thoroughly screwing themselves

[@georgejost9151]

What examples of had behavior

[@beephex1]

He lost me at "laying on hands"

[@ribbrascal]

I was a massage therapist. Human touch is a deeply healing modality.

[@SaraAllen-ui5wz]

I have Aspergers Syndrome and feel extremely uncomfortable with human touch. My learning tells me that I should overcome this problem. Human touch is loving and speaks a language which requires no words. We cannot allow those who would use human touch as a weapon/force of abuse define our very being

[@mchyinLyons]

No, get real

[@ribbrascal]

@@mchyinLyons please expound