Disney's Failed Next Big Thing: Treasure Planet

[@hamasathecold7842]

I grew up with this movie. It single handedly inspired me to start writing a book, and it inspired the creation of my custom dnd setting

[@Grombrindal]

I'm proud of you for writing a book Is it filled with the wrongs that been committed against you? My people have a book called the Dammaz Kron where the High King himself records all grudges, insults and slights against the entire Dwarfen race. In the end, it was the downfall of my people. Too much pride and anger caused them to chase revenge instead of fighting Chaos.

[@janehuskmann1914]

I have 1 word that I think you should also use for this: Spelljammer. It's old-school, quirky, and evidently awesome, despite the original version getting rushed out the door.

[@betterNatethannever]

I loved this movie personally

[@deandredunbar9618]

I loved this movie. watched it during some hard times as a child. always felt connected with the main character

[@crescentmoon2806]

I've rewatched Treasure Planet couple months ago just to get reminded of how awesome this movie is, and everyone i talk to speaks about it as underrated gem To this day i cant comprehend how it failed

[@99hank97]

Right? It’s a genuine surprise to find out it was considered a failure. Even then it was one of my all time favourites. Pretty sure I cried when my copy of that got scratched up beyond use. Haven’t managed to find a copy since!

[@ToonOfficialYT]

Couldn't agree more, if only to think about "what could have been"

[@orangeslash1667]

@@ToonOfficialYT Ben is based on Ben Gunn from the novel, who also shows ups up very late.

[@monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002]

@@99hank97 If I were you? I'd stop listening to what the Box Office says and say your own thoughts on movies, because it makes people look like haters.

[@99hank97]

@@monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002 you clearly didn’t read my comment properly 😂 I literally said I loved the film and was surprised to find out many did not. Never said it changed how I feel about the film 😂

[@psyguy556]

It's my favorite Disney movie and I still watch it every now and then even at age 30. Definitely deserves much more recognition. Fantastic video, have a sub!

[@Faceplay2]

Honestly, the film isn’t really that good. I loved it as a kid but as a filmmaker myself, it most definitely does not hold up like the child Schumer, for like five year olds most definitely could’ve been cut out of the film. It also suffers from the same problem of Atlantis of being just too short, for the story is trying to tell where it felt rushed. Also, the early 2000s/late 90s songs really date the film. I think they should’ve made the film more for an older audience of young teenagers and it would’ve held up much better, but instead, it’s handicapped by trying to appeal to five year olds. Also they made a lot of design choices that just don’t make sense like why are the spaceships basically just ate navy ship from the 1700s when he could’ve done so many more creative designs. The film just was all over the place.

[@monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002]

Same here @psyguy556, I remember first watching it on Disney XD and I finally got to watch it again years later to 2023 at my 20's and loved it even more, even the soundtrack's my favorite part about it too :) Also, don't listen to @Faceplay2, he and his "Filmmaker" ego can suck our Treasure Planet fanboying butts XD lmao.

[@rosapayne5660]

This one is definitely one of my favorites. I honestly wish Jim was a more prevalent meet and greet character in the parks possibly getting into a few shenanigans with Milo from Atlantis. Treasure Planet has so many scenes that could've made for awesome rides. This one is my older sister's favorite, if there was a ride for this one, I'd take her. I think it was mostly a missed opportunity, this probably could've become it's own franchise, we might have even gotten that crossover with Atlantis The Lost Empire that fans also like to make with so many of them believing Jim and Milo would be great friends. One thing's for sure though, if I ever go to a Disney Park, and Jim is around, I'm getting an autograph.

[@kimfalleiro]

really like tresure planet and atlantis it makes me really sad that they both flopped

[@monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002]

I didn't care if they flopped since I still love TP and Atlantis no matter what lol.

[@zero1994LP]

Atlantis was great

[@samuel10125]

They didn't flop Disney just made sure it failed.

[@dumella4989]

If this was released today it would probably be a hit. Such a good movie.

[@dumella4989]

Cat lady almost. Turned me into a furry at an early age

[@kyleforbes3932]

This movie makes me cry really hard. I dont know why but I just relate to Jim so much. The scene where John Silver is telling him how amazing his potential is, and how he wants to see the sunlight shining from his sails, I turn into a puddle of piss and tears 😂

[@davemac9563]

This movie didn’t deserve to fail.

[@samuel10125]

It had a very interesting sequel with William Dafo as its antagonist.

[@iamSketchH]

This, to date, is my favorite Disney movie. Ever. (And I'm a Disney film junkie, so I've seen them all). And it's story is perhaps one of the most profound Disney has ever made--and yet Disney sabotaged it (corporate cannibalism) in favor of CGi animation, and in so doing disrespected the creators who they promised the film to after all the successes they gave them in the 90s just to make a point that "2D animation is dead" (so that they could justify their interest in CGi at the expense of their 2D films). Jerk move, Disney. (Ironically, Disney tried to do this again with Tangled. The company was preparing to cannibalize the animation team by posing it to fail, with the CEO--Bob Iger--saying it would be the last princess movie for a while because "girls don't want to be princesses anymore." Perhaps the animation team learned from the Treasure Planet fiasco, as they actually stopped the film from going to theaters, rewrote massive parts of it, renamed it, and then released it. Iger was forced to take his words back after the film's colossal and unexpected success, and they changed their entire business plan to drown people with almost entirely female / "princess" protagonists. In other words--Disney's CEO is an idiot who doesn't know how to read his audience and only lives off the reputation of the company's past successes).

[@sailorearth2007]

Treasure Planet is one of my favorite movies along with Great Mouse Detective…I hate how they deliberately threw it under the bus

[@zero1994LP]

The great mouse detective was such a great film and he is maybe the reason for my love for Sherlock Holmes (together with detectiv Conan and "die drei ???" (Don't know how well known in English it is and can't remember the English name)) I remember my grandpa had the VHS on which I watched it over and over

[@sailorearth2007]

@@zero1994LP never heard of that but got into Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd Century growing up along with the Granada series with Jeremy Brett and Elementary

[@bbro43]

As a 10 year old I gave zero f's about the voice cast as long as they can do the job. I don't care about the names. As an adult I don't care about the names. No 10 year old is saying I want to go see a cartoon because it has a specific actor. You spent way to much time on the voice actors and not enough time on Isner wanting 2d to die so they could move on to cheaper 3d.

[@Jsa460]

Yeah this. Disney used to cast voice actors on talent and fit, not whether they were a big name. Look at successful movies like Little Mermaid and Lion King. Sure there are some recognisable names in there, but they're not A list celebs and they don't have their names emblazoned in neon lights to get people into the theatre. The move to using celebrities to market movies (regardless of if they actually even fit the character they are meant to be voicing) really took off after Aladdin (and then Shrek cemented the deal).

[@monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002]

As the only Disney fan that enjoyed Treasure Planet unlike the other weaklings who are stuck in their stupid Renaissance classics, I don't know if I should be encouraged or insulted by this comment lol.

[@joestrike8537]

Big fan of the movie here...the shot where the camera travels through the inn's window towards the crescent moon... *which is revealed to be a space port* blew me away the first time I saw the film and still does today - one of the most awesome moments in Disney's animated canon. Early on in your video you say Treasure Planet may have been too experimental for audiences to wrap their heads around...but near the end you suggest they should've taken *more* creative risks? Quite possible Eisner's long game was exactly as you speculate: starting with an unfocused ad/promotional campaign, create a deliberate flop as an excuse to decimate the studio's 2D animation staff. (Too bad the strategy didn't lead to a "Springtime for Hitler"surprise for the studio.) My personal theory why TP flopped: *they tried to appeal to too many different audiences at the same time:* You had the angsty, fatherless teenager with a chip on his shoulder, "traditional" (and very different looking from Jim) animated characters (particularly the dorky Doppler), and to top it off, something for the kiddies: the blobby Morph character. It's possible each of those story elements chased away audiences who might have enjoyed the movie's other 2 aspects. (I'll give Martin Short a pass because I love the guy's over-the-top Ed Grimley energy.) Speaking of whom, "I must say" (to quote Grimley) why is it a problem kids don't know who Martin Short is? Isn't the character more important than who's voicing them? It can be argued building animated movies around celebrity voice actors distracts from enjoying the film and its characters for itself - but it certainly helps bring adults into the theater. (Hey, come to think of it, none of the voice cast were of "name above the title" caliber - another part of Eisner's secret plot to kill Disney 2D?) The studio did manage to eke out one more 2D feature, "The Princess and the Frog" in 2009, but none since.

[@theadaptationstationmaster]

I really don't buy the idea that Disney gave it a bad marketing campaign just to spite the directors for persisting in wanting to make the movie. The producers may have hated the concept but, I assure you, they hated losing a bunch of money more. How does the saying go? Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity? Or maybe it wasn't entirely stupidity. Maybe this was just a niche movie that would only appeal to a certain segment of society. I wish fans of it could admit that instead of pushing crazy conspiracy theories. There's no shame in it. Some of my favorite books and movies are niche.

[@ethancoentertainment]

Pixar was keeping them afloat so they knew they would bounce back

[@theadaptationstationmaster]

@@ethancoentertainment I'm sorry. I just don't find that convincing.

[@monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002]

Whatever, just go back to your old petty Nostalgia days instead of hating on other people's Nostalgia like mine to this movie, old man.

[@monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002]

@@ethancoentertainment Just ignore what that old fart says, I bet the dude wouldn't like it if I insulted his petty Nostalgia like how he insults mine with his lousy opinions.

[@theadaptationstationmaster]

​@@monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002 Who is insulting Treasure Planet here? The worst I said about it was that it might be a niche movie that some people love and others don't care about. And I followed that up by saying that some of my favorite pieces of art are the same way. And "old fart?" I'm only thirty. Who exactly is being petty here?

[@GAMESYSTEMHUNTER]

come on, treasure island may not be the most popular book in history, but its core story is very well known. if you dont know silver is the bad guy, then its on you. this is what, the 40th version of a trasure island movie?

[@Enkarza]

Excellent video! When I saw this only has 10 likes I was stunned! Take my subscription.

[@dantrow5459]

Same bro but I was 20 😅😆

[@AntonioKing-v4d]

Credit to BREADSWORD to add why this movie failed. The fact that the general public at that time caught on to Disney's release patterns, and Disney executives were aware of it through the marketing surveys four months before the scheduled release. Disney at that time embraced home videos and DVDs at that time, and the people (knowing this) put in their heads, if Lilo & Stitch debut in theatres in December, then the home videos would release either on Spring or Summer. It's not that they didn't want to watch Treasure Planet, they were just smarter with their money and just purchase Treasure Planet out of curiosity or saving it for movies that they are interested in.

[@AntonioKing-v4d]

Also, Disney had a changing of executives with two different ideas of where they want their company to go. Katzenberg approved of this film initially before he was replaced by Eisner.

[@fukurouyoru5929]

As much as I'd love to see a Treasure Planet remake using the incredible technology available in filmmaking today... frankly, I'd be terrified of the movie being set up to fail a SECOND time. Disney's live-action remakes have all been of lesser quality than their source material, and they are getting less profitable as their nostalgia value and novelty fade. One serious bomb could give an excuse to move on...

[@andrewsobush5475]

It's one of my favorites. You gotta crawl before you can walk. Made my imagination go crazy. Inspired my interest in steam punk. Good film overall. Perfection is and always will be in the eye of the beholder. Someone had to do it.

[@NotAlwaysBilly]

I was born in 1995 so I think I was probably the exact target demo but I never really seen it until 2022 and fell in love with it. I always knew about it and my cousin had all the toys and watched it all the time it just never really interested me. Might be one of my favorite Disney movies now though.

[@zero1994LP]

I watched treasure planet in cinema and I loved it. I was deep in sci-fi and I loved treasure island and other adventure stories.

[@Eggs_Bennidict_Cucumber_Batch]

Breadsword put out a video describing how much Disney had sabotaged this film's release.

[@NotDaJayC]

5:35 Got me into a rabbit hole 👀💀

[@mariasrodon5296]

24:00 - 14:35 This is just perfidious. Imagine pitching your dream idea to some big CEO for 17 years and finally getting a greenlight, ONLY to later on realise that this idea was used by the CEO to kill something a fuck lot of people, including yourself, loved.

[@benjaminwitham8142]

Treasure planet is a childhood classic for me growing up loved it watched it repeatedly as a kid definitely an underated gem

[@Aeras89]

Treasure Planet is legit at the top of my list of favorite Disney movies, often duking it out with Mulan in being my favorite.

[@thatcherrytree5074]

This is great work! It’s such a great topic!

[@Eric4presidente]

Wait, what were the animes at 10:20? Looked cool

[@TaroTrejo]

It's Steamboy by Katsuhiro Otomo

[@Faceplay2]

Honestly, this is my impressions of the film and I’m speaking as a Filmmaker myself. I think Disney made a lot of creative decision choices that were bad. It seem like they didn’t wanna take the material to seriously so they had a lot of jokes written for like three year olds, that no one else is going to find funny. It also dated itself by having terrible early 2000 songs instead of emotional music created from the score. It also suffers from the same problem of Atlantis of the film. Not even being 90 minutes long and I think it should’ve been about an hour and 45 to tell a proper story and there’s also characters that were added in the last like 20 minutes of the film that are basically pointless And add nothing to the storyline

[@monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002]

Like I said before from your last stupid reply, go take your big dumb "Filmmaker" ego of yours somewhere else before I force you to do it. Either that or shove off, your choice, wannabe old fart. Unless you wanna settle this, 🥊90's/2000's Man (*me) vs. Wannabe Old Fart Filmmaker (*you).🥊You and me, Right here and Right now lmao.

[@devmysta]

High quality first video! Keep up the awesome work!

[@userLongHairedGIRL]

OK, I'll be homest that i didn't know that Treasure Planet was a Disney movie at first until i discovered it last year in 2023 thanks to some KZbin Disney AMV'S so obviously I'm late to the game, but then i watched the actual movie and i immediately loved it! Honestly aside from Lilo and Sitch, Treasure Planet is the second movie i can relate to and I'm glad that I finally watched it, and I agree with everyone who says it's CRIMINALLY UNDERRATED and it definitely nerds to have more appreciation but lately I've heard more people talking about it and that makes me happy to see because it's finally getting the chance to not be an underrated gem so much anymore and gets the chance to shine in the stars, but you know?... There's something else I'm deeply bothered by that clearly doesn't get enough recognition or attention either and it's an Actor who goes by the name of James Paxton who is the SON of laye Actor Bill Paxton and it's kinda pissing me off how more people don't know he is because he's becoming a star in his own right but apparently not enough people care, so I'm highly suggestioning to everyone in the comment section to start searching up Actor James Paxton and look up everything you can about him because it's about yime he got the true attention he clearly deserves.

[@monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002]

Listen, as much as I'd wanna take your advice? I'm too busy throwing insults at the other other older Disney fans that wanna hate on my Nostalgia for Disney like Treasure Planet and Lilo & Stitch lol.

[@TravirusTheKing]

The only trailer I saw was the only with the sail hover board scene and never saw any other one. And enjoyed it.

[@nicholasdruce5346]

Muppet Treasure Island was from 1996.

[@jman518192]

Oof one of my favorites, I was ten when it came out and my family wasn’t really the cinema type so I didn’t see it in theaters but does anyone remember the Treasure Planet CD-ROMs that McDonalds gave out as a promotion? No? It was before your time. Anywho the one I got is also where I found out about my now favorite video game series Kingdom Hearts because it had a trailer for the first game. I had to stop the video to look for it, but I’m pretty sure it was called etherium rescue but it was a demo if I remember right. Anyway thanks for the trip down memory lane thumbs👍🏾

[@GlenHallstrom]

So TP should have never been made because it's darker and somewhat more adult than the regular Disney movie... You mean like Hunchback of Notre Dame?

[@joshelderkin9592]

No live action remake just rerelease the damn thing 🤦‍♂️

[@cathycooke1240]

Someone arrested this man treasure planet is a W >:(

[@scoutart1508]

CORRECTION: MUPPET TREASURE ISLAND was released in 1996, How come saying 1994 anyway?

[@javiboywonder]

THANK YOU! This bothered me so much! I didn't think i could be the only one that noticed this!

[@ToonOfficialYT]

The tentative release date slated for spring 1994, but indeed it was released in 1996. Sorry for messing that up.

[@raymond18]

That wasn't Pippin.

[@jusjetz]

Give this masterpiece a chance.

[@shroomfaerie139]

Ben really wasnt that bad lol 😅 probs just me tho

[@joshuataylor7443]

I would say the movie it perfectly the some of the song feel out off place in the setting And out and the relationship between Silver and Jim is really good and force yes but to the point that all the other characters development is a bit rush like the romance with Doppler and Amelia And say that this movie was challenging people for more meaningful story but people didn’t is rich sine not to long than there were highly successful movies like Aladdin and Lion King that had theme of coming of age.

[@Sb129]

This and Atlantis were awesome~

[@monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002]

I don't honestly care if Treasure Planet failed, I still enjoyed it besides my other favorites and guilty pleasures from Disney such as Dinosaur,Atlantis,Home on the Range,Chicken Little, and The Wild etc. no matter what, and if standing up for myself causes my privileges of being a Disney fan revoked? so be it You see, here's the thing that animated movie critics on the internet and their reviews along with their fans who always agree with them that are too stupid and naive to get nowadays, they only care about ratings and money on the movies but care NOTHING about people's own thoughts on them, anybody who disagrees with me is a hater otherwise and can kiss my "90's/2000's kid" butt lmao.

[@coolspider295]

5:36 🤨📸

[@manzoman96]

Did you just say loo-meere 😂😂

[@ceougin20]

I loved this movie. Still do! Is it my top 5? No but it’s still up there.

[@Jsa460]

I agree with everything except nothing deserves Disney's souless grab for cash live action reguritation treatment. They just don't want to invest in more expensive, creative traditional animation when they can just plug something that did well into a live action remake format and call it a day under the guise of "improving the original". That's why they'll remake movies like Moana and not Treasure planet. Disney is failing as a company and it's because they've lost their way.

[@monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002]

Funny. I usually thought LA Disney movies like Pirates and Narnia were fun until you said something lol.

[@PassingBy1118]

I thought the movie was pretty good. I don't understand the negativity towards it. I've watched it several times.

[@monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002]

Good thing as also the only Disney fan that loved the movie, I start saying negative things about their favorite classics, just to see how those toxic traditionalists like it. And now people know why I hate traditions lol.

[@JorgeAFlores]

I like that movie

[@felmarg8840]

If you start to overthink it it is stupid. Open ship in outer space, to blow up a hole planet and others it is just impossible and stupid. But that is still a kids movie. It is a fairy tail with a great visual, music in the end you just love the characters, and the story. And as always they made the release date very badly. That is the reason many movies flap. If there is a big choice you choose but you can't always choose every thing. There are many movies which didn't have the promotion or the timing and we never see a part 2 or 3. Luckily this one doesn't need part 2

[@dreamguardian8320]

I for one found Titan A.E. better than this. I'd say Don Bluth scored another victory over Disney.

[@monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002]

I like both, so keep that opinion insult to yourself.

[@nuhh7403]

I loved that movie