Divorced and Remarried - Fr. Gregory Pine, O.P.

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[@dantory08]

Please bring me into your prayer. My wife continues pushing for a divorce. She is adamant to see through it and refused to think it over. I recently reminded her again the implications of her wish to our children future, only to get her stare. May God grace keep me strong 🙏🏻

[@amyrenee1361]

Sometimes it's not about them, but you. Perhaps you have some things that you need to work on to keep the marriage healthy. Are you living a sober life? Are you treating your wife and children with respect and care? Jesus calls husbands to treat their wives as he has treated the church. That means to serve your family and lead with humility and kindness. It's very rare that a woman wants to leave a man that treats her well.

[@alexs_toy_barn]

Has she started taking birth control lately? if she has then that might be affecting her hormones, if so ask her to stop for a week or two and see what happens with her and you. Iv heard of situations where a woman 'went nuts' and asked for a divorce then she stopped and things got good again

[@alqoshgirl]

Praying for you! The only thing you can do is change yourself. There must be a reason. Why is she feeling this way? You left that information out in your post. No one wakes up wanting divorce. She’s wrong to even want that route. I’m very much against divorce unless there is a clear case of life threatening abuse. You must know why though and work on that instead of trying to convince her not to have divorce

[@Charlotte_Martel]

Maybe she is miserable, and it is cruel to prevent her from moving on with her life. You only get 1. Raising your kids in a house with miserable parents is almost certain to turn them permanently off of marriage. Just a warning.

[@sophiahace9920]

Praying for you

[@harryallenpearce89]

I went through divorce over 20 years ago. When I was coming into the Church I was unaware of how the Church saw divorce and remarriage. This was, without a doubt, the hardest hurdle to get over. Not only did it prevent me from moving on with my life with someone new, it made me accept that I was still married and all the demons that came with that thought. I got divorced for a good reason. It was so incredibly hard at first, but now I get it. God never abandoned us. Our Salvation is a Marriage Covenant. I had to forgive. I had to open a door of reconciliation that I didn’t want to open. And only God could change her, and she’s not interested in God. So, I’m in this limbo, and on one had I feel a lot of bad emotions, but on the other hand, I have a clean conscience with God. That is priceless.

[@ManofSteel007]

Amen brother. I said a prayer for you. Stay strong in your convictions and seek truth no matter how hard the implications

[@chloeachappell]

You can get an annulment from the Catholic church

[@yorkiem0m]

(over a 25 yr span) I was a Methodist, married a Presbyterian, got divorced. Met a devout Catholic and before I could marry, I had to get 1st marriage annulled, did that - we got married in Catholic church but I did not become Catholic, stayed Methodist - we separated after 11 yrs and then he met someone and our marriage got annulled so he could marry her. I got married 3rd time to a raging alcoholic and got divorced....THEN I found Catholicism and wanted to join the Church, RCIA teacher said I should have that 3rd marriage annulled incase I ever want to marry again as a Catholic so that was annulled because apparently that marriage though done in a church was not valid (even though on my part it was) because I was his 5th wife and he'd not had any annulments. So check into that, there may still be hope. I've been Catholic now for what will be 5 yrs at Easter and God is most important thing to me now so if I ever want to get married again, he'll have to be Catholic (though I believe 3 strikes and I'm out!)

[@DJPTEXAS]

I have learned the same lessons and am grateful like you.......

[@DJPTEXAS]

@@chloeachappell It is not that easy..no matter what people say, been there and now in the same status, but grateful how my eyes have been opened by God....

[@Mrs_Homemaker]

Divorce is such a massive evil in our world. Thank you for handling the subject with tact but still making teaching clear.

[@cjm537]

Child & spousal abuse is a gazillion times worse than a divorce to protect one's family especially children...

[@nickswicegood4316]

I’ve been married more than 20 years and a celibate priest can articulate what marriage is, what it’s for, the purpose, goal and REALITY of it in a way that makes me feel like a newlywed! Thanks for your clarity Father Pine. What a blessing to the Church and the culture.

[@skydivingcomrade1648]

I've seen so many people unjustly hurt by those misinterpreting Scriptures. God's word is not hurtful, but those abusive people misusing it are.

[@amyrenee1361]

All scripture is taken out of context. Just read the New Testament, you can start with the Book of Matthew, where Jesus was supposedly fulfilling " prophecy".

[@dinasanchezharo1819]

Telling the truth is charity. Thanks father.

[@ambevil]

Father, you explained this so well. Thank you for your gifts for the Church!

[@bethr8756]

The Bible says, call no man Father. He's not your Father

[@ambevil]

@Beth R Friend, consider the following from Scripture: “So it was not you who sent me here, but God; and he has made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house and ruler over all the land of Egypt” (Gen. 45:8) “I was a father to the poor, and I searched out the cause of him whom I did not know” (Job 29:16) “In that day, I will call my servant Eliakim, the son of Hilkiah . . . and I will clothe him with [a] robe, and will bind [a] girdle on him, and will commit . . . authority to his hand; and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah” (Isa. 22:20-21) “My father, my father!” (2 Kgs. 2:12) "Not only that, but Rebekah’s children were conceived at the same time by our father Isaac." (Romans 9:10) When I have a nagging question regarding Catholicism, I will usually google "Catholic Answers" and the topic in question. The Church always has a good answer, and I'm never left disappointed. Here is my resource; I copy and pasted the above quotations: www.catholic.com/tract/call-no-man-father. There is further explanation there of the legitimate question you pose. Don't be afraid of it! God bless you! I will pray for you and for an openness to God's fullness of truth in His Bride, the Catholic Church.

[@Angela-dh6ij]

This is our most pressing issue that is so overlooked 🙏

[@mariacortez5931]

I love Dominicans. Thank you father!

[@susann.1618]

Me too! They're brilliant. I could listen to Fr Pine for hours. God bless!

[@karenpatotafounderofababys1782]

Beautifully stated Father. I received an annulment before my second marriage and adhered to the guidelines set forth by our priest before getting married again - moving into separate bedrooms. The blessings that our family received are enormous and we are so grateful for our priest who cared enough for our immortal soul to speak the Truth with Love.

[@Wgaither1]

I think the priest should have said someone has to move out of the house, until marriage

[@karenpatotafounderofababys1782]

@@Wgaither1 if our priest would have requested, we would have. Our penance has been to educate our children in the right way to do things and we were so grateful to celebrate my son's wedding this past Fall. Praise God.

[@mariana7802]

May I ask how the divorce came about? Did one resent the other? We're you both Catholic ? Thank you for sharing this, it's lovely it has worked out with you well. My understanding is only one of the two can get an annulment ?

[@missylynns8966]

Only 2% of Annulments are denied so 98% stamp of approval. We’ve got a BIG problem.

[@ms.t7309]

Can you cite your source please?

[@DJPTEXAS]

Mine was denied recently in a very liberal Diocese, waited over a year and a half for a decision. I didn't get rubber stamped. Each case is different and I was disappointed in the way it was conducted. So that's that....... 2%er here.

[@onlychaosmatters]

@@DJPTEXAS Just ignore it.. You don't need approval from some people who claim they have power from above without a proper evidence. If God exists he knows and understands your trouble.

[@apracity7672]

@@onlychaosmatters Do you identify as Christian?

[@onlychaosmatters]

@@apracity7672 I'm a sceptic that is closer to deism. But I still go to Church and label myself as catholic

[@carissimaamicitiaest5535]

Thank you for preaching the Truth, father. I know people who have found themselves in these difficult situations but have decided to live in accordance to the teachings of the Church. It is a blessing. They trusted God and He sent His Grace to them. 🙏

[@sartoriusrock]

Please pray for my family. My father is remarried, and I am very concerned for his and my stepmother’s souls.

[@ripbeni6198]

OH MY GOSH, THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT I DISCERNED THROUGH SINCERE CONTEMPLATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CHURCH! Thanks for reaffirming what the Holy Spirit says, Father Gregory Pine!

[@ladyj3474]

"He who made us without our consent will not save us without our consent." Aptly defines our life purpose. The purpose is a journey to grace and the destination, union with our Creator. We have to want this and effort to live rightly to obtain it. Thank you Father. So beautifully said and valuable for all people who have remained, and happily enough, single.

[@amyrenee1361]

That really doesn't make any sense given the numerous testimonials where Jesus appeared to non-believers and changed their lives without their request

[@ladyj3474]

@@amyrenee1361 Well we do have a will and I believe in that experience of meeting Christ, his words, his spiritual energy and his healing converted non-believers. It was not magic or something that came over them, it was their will they saw, they heard and they believed. Thank you and take care.

[@partydean17]

@Amy Renee while it's not super on display I think people's will or their faith as he puts it is very much present. It's kinda a big deal for the people involved to want to be helped by Jesus. It's also prominent that he is the one who knocks at the door so the first move is there but I think it's pretty obvious we have to open it

[@mariana7802]

Beautifully said. Can you explain how this goes in hand with divorce? I so want to understand thank you!

[@DanyTV79]

Never said better, father. Thanks!

[@freehorse7299]

Thank you, and God Bless You!

[@gijoe508]

Excellent, very concise and clear.

[@alphacharlietango969]

Father Pine, Thank You

[@jturon9184]

Thank you Fr Pine.

[@markgriffiths5289]

Thank you 🙏✝️

[@mazikode]

Thank you Fr Pine..hard but true teachings. I am divorced and got engaged twice both times it never worked out. Now I thank God it didn't, I have chosen to just stay chaste. I had rather go to heaven than be in mortal sin. It was not easy to get to this point and accept that God is most important. I am thankful he gave me the grace to be able to do this.

[@mariana7802]

Happy to hear this. If you can overcome that flesh temptation you can overcome anything! You have a mission on here trust me

[@Lcoreyful]

Thank you, Father, for this clear teaching on a difficult topic.

[@amytovar344]

Thank you Father ! God Bless you

[@willthegamer124willgaming3]

Thanks for teaching the truth so beautifully ❤

[@oswaldomaldonado1051]

Very well done.

[@scottcraig77]

That was the best help ever on a murky topic. Thank you ❤

[@MaryJordon1]

Very well explained Father. Especially the summary of this talk at the end.

[@mraemartinez]

Living God's way is NOT easy. Especially in The Spirit of The Age. We all wanna live by our own understanding. That's why everything is such a mess. Pick very carefully & treat more than nicely. This is not a cavalier choice. 📿

[@davidmascarenas9830]

exactly

[@chibikeugbam5247]

God bless you, truly If you are a woman God bless you a thousandfold. I've said this many times, people have no respect for the sacred. It's always me, myself, and I approach that people adopt when considering choosing a husband/wife. Hardly is God involved in the scrutiny of one's desire on such matters. When things backfire, God and the Church catch the blame as being rigid. Choose more carefully with God's guidance and you will be fine.

[@mraemartinez]

@@chibikeugbam5247 I am female. Thank you! ✝️❤️‍🔥🙏🏽🕊😇🕯📿

[@jeffreysmith7274]

Excellent, Father. Thank you for the helpful review. PAX

[@haydongonzalez-dyer2727]

Great!

[@kenkessner9594]

Thank you, Father! Good advice for same sex attracted individuals, also.

[@susann.1618]

I think that's a whole 'nother discussion! God bless!

[@chloewilson9898]

The first 2 minutes.... I'm going to write that down. Grace grace grace!!!! We are saved by grace and I'll have nothing less.

[@mariana7802]

What does that mean saved by Grace ?

[@nonymousse4107]

Wow, that was awesome:)

[@Anthny1]

The problem, Fr, is how well trained are priests to practice what you've laid out. Many I fear would allow those living in sin to continue to receive and not be concerned with scandal.

[@hicnar]

With on average over 70% of annulment cases granted and civil divorce required in many countries prior even getting the case considered by an eclesiastical tribunal it de facto ia a church divorce.

[@xoxobabyimbackxoxo]

Thank you Father! I wish my priests would say this but for whatever reason, they aren't. Priests in Canada need prayers too right now!

[@SalveRegina28384BlessedArtThou]

For 4:00 Is it better to say that they don’t get divorced, since divorce is not even possible in the sacrament? Only they separate? because they are still married even if they want to participate in the world’s definition of dissoluble marriages.

[@DJPTEXAS]

Exactly yes...

[@DarkAngel-cj6sx]

Father Chris Alar on devine mercy videos also explained it well.

[@Jackieebner14]

I love Father Chris! He explains everything!

[@ralphauer150]

A second marriage is allowed by the Bishop, without an annulment. If Celibacy is understood in the second marriage. Living like brother & sister.

[@kevinjmj2266]

Very clear. Thank you Fr Pine. But, how does Amoris Laetitia fit in to this picture?

[@mullsyp]

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[@arturoolivares6313]

Really begging for prayers. I'm in a tough moment in my faith. I'm feeling the call of priesthood but at the same time I feel unable to practice the faith.

[@carissimaamicitiaest5535]

🙏

[@j2muw667]

It takes years to become a priest. Maybe you should find humility and go look into different priest orders? There are more than diocesan and Jesuit!!! St John Cantiaus(so?) seems beautiful as well as Dominican!

[@arturoolivares6313]

@@j2muw667 I'm trying to discern what to do with my vocation. I'm one year away of finishing college. Yet I feel lost.

[@j2muw667]

@@arturoolivares6313 - go visit different orders. No commitment in a visit! Maybe somewhere along the way you’ll find your direction? Or just a stronger faith life?!! Young people in their 20’s should use those years to try all kinds of jobs and adventures to sort out where they ‘belong’! God bless you on your journey through this life so you may bless others and reach Gods kingdom with much heavenly worth!!!

[@DrChaunceyBlevins]

If one or neither of the persons in the marriage were baptized when it was officiated, is an annulment still necessary if one person (me) is now coming into the Church?

[@TheB1nary]

My previous wife -- of over thirty years ago now - had multiple affairs, one of which was with my own Dad. She then filed for a divorce here in the UK, and they just handed it to her. That was that. I've now been married to a wonderful Christian woman for thirty years - and we have had four amazing children. We were looking at th Catholic Church in a serious way until we heard of this rule. Digging up the past in this way might seem righteous, but it can only tend to more hurt. It would in my case -- I lost my Dad five years ago this October, and we never got the chance to reconcile over his affair. It also doesn't recognise the nature of men and women (which Paul covers in 1 Corinthians 7). We are now moving East to the Orthodox Church.

[@OrangeXenon54]

You're moving East to the Orthodox Church so you can commit adultery in a remarriage. Christ explicitly prohibited marriage

[@chibikeugbam5247]

The problem is you are inserting your desire before God's. If God has set it in stone, you are bound by it or you are folly. Sorry for your loss and hurt but your hurt is not greater than God's love which can be tough. Don't forget Leah (Jacob's first wife). She was hurt for many years watching her husband love Rachel more than her. The Lord let her go through such difficult times but rewarded her steadfastness with David and Our Lord Jesus being her descendants. Surrender completely and let the Lord guide you. Fear and anxiety are the enemy's weapon to deter you from full commitment

[@mattwilliams3902]

My son divorced his wife due to continued unrepentant adulteries. He has since remarried without an annulment and has kids. Your counsel was very clear. Thanks. Question going forward: How should him and his illegitimate wife handle the situation if his first wife repents and wants to reconcile.

[@pattimoose1]

I know I won't get an answer here. But I was not raised in any religion. I became a Catholic because my husband was. We didn't get married in a Catholic church due to some reasons with his being in the military. He was on drugs and we split up. I remarried. I didn't even know it was an issue. I wanted to put my son in the Catholic school near where I lived and the priest said I was excommunicated. Husband #2 died. I remarried and he committed adultery so bad it would make you head spin. And I left. I'm no longer married or want to get married. Can I come back? Am I still excommunicated? If Jesus can forgive me, why can't the Catholic church?

[@user-xl7co8lh3g]

Hey everyone, I'm not a Christian (jew), and I was wondering if you had a term portraying a situation where a woman (or man) have gone missing, and their spouse have become a peraon who cannot marry unless the church(in your case) has determined that there is an absolute chance of the person to be dead (or other justifiable cause) to release the person from their marriage.

[@ethanbarganier2739]

I have a question. My parents are both divorced and remarried. But none of us were catholic. I converted 3 years ago and my dad seems interested in conversion. Would he go the annulment or the other route?

[@Urbanity_Kludge]

Father pine or anyone, look up the video on KZbin with Father Schmitz where this question suddenly gets personal and Father Schmitz manages to be pastoral without giving an inch

[@MM-gu8tk]

I loved Fr Schmitz comments in that video

[@kathypr1051]

It would be great if you could address causes for annulment, and cases of abuse due to personality disorders not discovered before marriage.

[@crystellesaleh4800]

I am so desperate for someone to cover this issue. Although I think when there is abuse and personality disorders it may be cause for an annulment since often the abused person is coerced into the marriage or afraid or not fully consenting.

[@mariana7802]

@@crystellesaleh4800yes I am requesting for a part 2 thank you Fr

[@sarahdavis9770]

🙏

[@jldisme]

How should we pray for people who have been divorced and remarried?

[@dylan2905]

Pls pray for me

[@carissimaamicitiaest5535]

🙏

[@MikeyJMJ]

Will do

[@zestotemp]

Thanks Father. It’s a shame that clearly explaining the truth will get you the reputation of being a crypto-schismatic. Thank you for explaining clearly.

[@nicoleyoshihara4011]

💯❤

[@mariana7802]

Is a marriage valid when married in the Catholic Church, BUT one is practicing (imperfect) Catholic and one is not baptized (a year later gets baptized but never repents in confession or ever receives communion or rarely attends church) - married because I got pregnant couple months before wedding. No abuse or infidelity or such... just very lonely, isolated, unfulfilled nothing at all in common but overall respectful decent marriage .... 2 small kids in picture now. Thoughts? ❤

[@barbararen3617]

In my parish there is an actively homosexual couple who regularly receive Holy Communion. I have spoken to my priest and to my bishop about the situation but nothing has been said to the couple, no guidance. I know this because I am very good friends with them and I care deeply for them both and I am concerned for them. I find it difficult to understand why they would be allowed to continue to receive Holy Communion surely the priest and Bishop are colluding in this sin?

[@chibikeugbam5247]

If the priest and bishop are aware of that relationship, they are damning the souls of the gay couple and their own souls. St Michael the Archangel defend us

[@Frank020]

Wow I was on meds, and I am ADHD. My former spouse may have consiously or subconsiously done it due to come to the States, because after she came here, she really changed. After that it was not fun, but we continued on, until her decision to abandon me during the great recession of 2008. I don't really think I want to remarry, because I am in my silver years, and the second one could end up the same way according to the statistics. However, sometimes it seems like it would be a good thing.

[@pllahey3784]

Hmmm, maybe there could have been room for pointing out that if one chooses to remain in the 'irregular' relationship, continuing in the conjugal aspects thereof, they could also be putting their immortal soul at risk of eternal damnation?

[@bandie9101]

6:03 - strange, with normal marriage people usually make only 1 party. now with this situation they have to have 2 parties to make it more discrete??

[@tinalettieri]

If a Catholic couple divorce after having a sacramental marriage and one, the wife (not me) remarries, is the husband free then to marry? Does he have to go to the DiosecianTribunal for annulment? What if they're both Catholic but only married in the Civil Tribunal (courthouse)?

[@Tom30ad]

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will FORGIVE our sins and CLEANSE us from ALL unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9

[@sarahkay923]

Every time I meet a "catholic" boy they claim all these wonderful things about themselves but over time they crack and end up being people that are kinda disturbed either with drug habits, lust, or anger (on 3 different occasions). Its hard! I see Jesus more in unbelievers and this is a problem when entering into relationships and trying to find someone. I find myself almost fearful and resistant to try again with someone who claims to be a catholic. This is a problem and I took it to prayer God says he will send me someone once I promise to emphasize my desire to wait until marriage as the first step with someone new. I need to change my heart I just want a small town boy with values I don't even care about faith as long as it is in Jesus and I know that needs to change. I am so lonely! Luckily, my friend is attending catholic church tonight for the first time and maybe God will make him my husband I do not know. I text him occasionally so I know his journey is not a result of me but rather love for Christ. Prayers for Gabe please in coming home to God!

[@lincolncross6355]

🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@Mrs_Homemaker]

Every single person today struggles with sin. If they are active Catholics, make use of confession, etc, then they are trying to grow in holiness. It is NOT suggested to be "unequally yoked" (ie, marry someone outside the Church) and it can cause MANY issues in a marriage bc the Catholic understanding of marriage is very specific and very rigorous. Other Christians now treat marriage as just as disposable as secular people. Only the Catholic church stands in the breach defending life long, procreative marriage.

[@kingofcelts]

Well, it's hardly surprising in today's world! Men are under attack from a society of loose morals, disregard and contempt for being male. All of use are struggling and none saints..

[@inchristalone25]

My husband was supposed to be a Christian when we married and over time he had developed some unhealthy habits and so did I honestly and due to enmeshment with his family he turned back into a little boy and I couldn't submit to him. This led to a huge cavern between us and we weren't following God. Well I learned the principles of masculine/feminine polarity and I started moving back towards him as a last ditch effort to save our family and it worked!! AND on top of all that God used that to bring us back to Him and we are fully surrendered and better than ever. Another aspect is dealing with toxic shame. I find a lot of catholics have toxic shame, they are just going with the motions trying to earn their salvation because they feel defective, but that is not how it works, you admit you are a sinner and God's grace and mercy saves by NOTHING we can earn. So these are some points to consider when looking for a husband. Does he have enmeshment with his Mommy? Has he become a man? and does he try to earn salvation?

[@inchristalone25]

@@carolynkimberly4021 I was sharing our testimony. And some thoughts to consider when finding someone to marry.

[@tbojai]

Seems like Fr. Pine left the tough questions unaddressed; like, what if one person in an irregular union has small children, wants to live celibate, and return to the life of the sacraments, but the other person would leave and take the kids if that happened. What to do then?

[@roshankurien203]

My question is how did Boris Johnson marriage be recognized by the Catholic Church ??..He married two baptised women (anglican) have kids from the previous marriages. And still got married a third time 😂😂 Last I checked he did what Henry the 8th couldn’t do..

[@Victoria-198]

I have a question and I’m not sure it will be answered here but I figured I’d give it a try and see if anyone can clarify for me. I was born into a Catholic family, not always practicing but was baptized, made my first communion and reconciliation. I had a chaotic childhood and suffered various abuse. In my late teens and early adult years i tried to create a family and grow up fast. I was married at 18 to a non-Catholic and I believe non-baptized. We married in the court house. The marriage did not last long and after about 1 year, divorced. A few years later I married someone else. Again, this person was not Catholic and not baptized to my understanding. We married in the courthouse as well. We divorced a few years later. This was all many years ago. I have been to confession and tried to discuss it after having a deep conversion to the faith around 26 and being confirmed. I am now 35 and struggle often wondering if these marriages were valid marriages. From what I seem to gather, in the eyes of the church they were not. When I was married at the court house both times I was asked if I would like a statement read including God in the marriage vows and I said yes. I have received holy communion since but struggle wondering if this is something I should be doing? And if these marriages were considered valid and if they were not valid does that mean they were as if I were never married at all?

[@gunsgalore7571]

I have heard of similar situations, like a famous atheist (I forget his name) who was married twice, both were short, then converted to Catholicism and got married in the Church. The thing is, for it to be a valid marriage, I'm pretty sure there has to be an authorized witness from the Church, so a priest or deacon, to officiate. If not, the earlier marriages weren't valid. Now, the last thing I want to do is tell you something is the case if I'm not 100% sure. So my advice here is, especially if your priest has not confirmed whether or not those marriages were valid, then go to your diocese or the bishop. He will know, or at least whichever one of his staff he directs you to will know. At the diocesan level there's much more resources. While it seems to me your marriages were invalid, I want you to be able to know for sure, and contacting your diocese is the way to go in that regard.

[@Victoria-198]

Thank you!

[@Mrs_Homemaker]

If you were baptised Catholic you are Catholic, and were at the time of marriage. If you did not marry in the Church, it was invalid. Double check with a good priest *outside* of the confessional, bc this is a conversation that will take more a few minutes.

[@Wgaither1]

@@Mrs_Homemaker When a Catholic baptizes their infant in the Catholic Church, How does the parent know their child wants to be Catholic when they are older and will want to be married in the Catholic Church? So by baptizing the child in the Catholic Church it could invalidate their future marriage and damn them to hell. So why not have them baptized, but not baptized Catholic to solve this invalid marriage problem

[@AndyYoung789]

@@Wgaither1 All infants should be baptized in danger of death. In such circumstances, the parent do not need to be consulted. Under regular conditions, the parent(s) must declare the intention to bring the child up in the Catholic faith. For a baptism to be valid, it doesn't have to be done by a Catholic priest. As long as the proper form is used, the baptisms performed by non-Catholics (clergy or lay persons) is still considered valid. The trouble of course is verifying it years later. It's true, many children when they grow up will fall away from the faith, seriously risking their salvation. However, that will then be up to them. All their parents can do is get them on the road to salvation. Same with the Old Testament Jewish Law. Our Lord, as were all Jewish first born males, was presented in the temple for consecration right after his birth

[@marystacey9962]

I’m just curious about what to do when and if I get remarried someday. My ex was not a Catholic but we married in the church without a mass.

[@csongorarpad4670]

Theologically speaking, there is no such thing as the possibility of "re-marrying". Marriage is for life, until death does them part. So you would either have to get an annulment, which means that there was no actual marriage in the first place and therefore you'd be free to marrying "again", but for it to be a legitimate one this time. Keep in mind that there's a number of factors which play into whether or not a marriage is valid or not and whether it can be annulled. There's also the aspect of whether or not the marriage was consumated or not. The marriage vows are cemented when the marriage is consumated by the man and woman who've sworn themselves to each other until death does them part. There's more to it, but the bottom line is that marriage is a sacrament and by Jesus' Word in the Sacred Scripture, it is not something that we can break. The rule is that a marriage lasts until death does them part and sticking to that rule is what will make one the most holy, even if (and especially if) one's partner is not loyal to the vows that they made to you with God as their witness.

[@persephoneeleuthereus2325]

Applies the same rules, you are a Catholic and agreed to the regulations within the church to uphold its rules. Unless you were not truly married by the book but it was just a sham, but I can not imagine any priest agreeing to it, unless the said ''priest'' was a clown .

[@Mrs_Homemaker]

You would need to seek annulment. If it is not granted, then you would not be able to marry as it would mean you are still married to the first person.

[@marystacey9962]

@@Mrs_Homemaker that is going to be weird since we have grown kids and he may remarry.

[@tomgreene1843]

@@marystacey9962 It will be very difficult for you if he does and you are tied.

[@mikkis668]

Question: If a marriage is declared invalid, through annulment, what is the Church's view on the children of that marriage? "Technically" the children would be born out of wedlock, if the marriage wasn't valid???

[@AJKPenguin]

The children are gifts of God. However the means of getting the gifts sometimes aren't received or obtained in the perfect way. Nevertheless the gifts exist and must be cherished.

[@tomgreene1843]

@@AJKPenguin Indeed marriage existed before the Church.

[@mikkis668]

@@AJKPenguin Yes, I agree. Children are a gift and in no way guilty of how they were conceived. But that doesn't completely answer me question... If a marriage is invalid, are the children then illegitimate, born outside a marriage. Or do the Church then consider the children born of parents lawfully married to each other.... But the lawful marriage is not a true marriage before God, if it gets annulled, so... 🤯🤷🏻‍♂️

[@mikkis668]

@@markpatterson2517 Thanks, that's a good answer. Clearing up the Church and State definitions and the connection to inheritance rights. Nice!👍

[@ElizabethPetrucelli]

Also, invalid is different than null. People can be in an invalid marriage but it’s not null.

[@barbaradurfee6951]

Fr. Pine, after 2 different tries to marry during covid, my son married in a park under a special marriage license. Our church doesn't recognize this wedding. They want them to go through full premarital classy, etc. They have been married over 2 years now, without full participation in church I hope that they will use the military chaplain"s program while he is serving to recognize his marriage. Is there anything simpler that can be done to get their marriage recognized?

[@barbaradurfee6951]

They are not receiving communion. But for some reason the parish wants them to take the online courses. I have offered to pay but they are not willing at this time to accept my offer.

[@Mrs_Homemaker]

Ask their bishop. Go over the priests head.

[@therese_paula]

Hi. Before their wedding ceremony in the park, did they have pre-Cana classes which they do not want to 'repeat'? Do they even believe in sacramental marriage?

[@barbaradurfee6951]

I don"t think they started any on line classes but they never said much about their conversations with the parish priests. Also, we have been through an incredible rotation of priests in the past few years.

[@kemmow25]

@@barbaradurfee6951 I agree with the other person and vote. Your child and wife can always contact the diocese they are under and someone should be happy to help get them on the track and get things addressed. I am sure with COVID more strange arrangements will be coming up so cleanup is needed.

[@joewidmar835]

What does it mean “to be given in marriage”. Why is that phrase added?

[@gunsgalore7571]

He's quoting the Bible, a passage found in all three Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke). It's an old-school term for getting married. The point is that the institution of marriage will not exist in Heaven. The special relationship between a man and woman who were married in life will not cease to exist, of course, but things will be different. Before you ask me "How will they be different?" or "What WILL it be like?" I don't know, and neither does anyone, because Jesus didn't specify.

[@sercastamere9853]

One thing I don't think many people here consider or Catholics in general is that having kids and raising them in the ways of God can actually be more important than you doing it yourself. If your spouse initiates the dicorce or has done something completely damaging to your family beyond repair just move on. Its oddly selfish to put your family's wellbeing and their souls below yours for the sake of staying ina marriage

[@texasfamilylife8397]

If you’re not married by the Catholic Church (if your Protestant etc) is it a true marriage? Are they held to the same standards? My husbands parents were both married to someone else, then eventually divorced and married each other. My husband was raised Protestant and came to the Catholic Church, now he struggles with this fact that his parents may never have been in a real marriage and he was born out of true wedlock.

[@bethr8756]

The Catholic church is false. If you married outside of it, of course it's true marriage!! Hello

[@FrankRios2b]

@@bethr8756 just because you don't like it that doesn't make it not true.

[@bethr8756]

@@FrankRios2b I agree. But it's not true based on God's word.

[@bethr8756]

@@FrankRios2b and also just because you like it doesn't make it so!!

[@chipsatterly4902]

What about a marriage between a Catholic and NON Catholic that results in divorce??

[@zestotemp]

If the non-Catholic was baptized, the Catholic still needs a declaration of nullity. If the non-Catholic was not baptized, the Catholic does not need a declaration of nullity, and can validly contract a second marriage with a Catholic. The sacramental marriage dissolves the non-Christian marriage.

[@Mrs_Homemaker]

If it was performed in the church the Catholic still needs it declared null

[@zestotemp]

@@Mrs_Homemaker It is not necessary to declare a non-sacramental marriage null, because a previous non-sacramental marriage is not an impediment to a sacramental one. See "Pauline privilege."

[@ashtree5957]

What kind of of protestant marriages are valid, though? Or are they at all? Like in an evangelical church in front of a pastor, baptised or unbaptised before the wedding? I'm thinking about protestants who have married and divorced before deciding to one day become Catholic.

[@mariemunzar6474]

I'd be very cautious about saying they weren't valid marriages, I think that the Catholic marriages apply for Catholics but if someone isn't a Catholic they have a marriage in their own tradition....I think they'd have to look into that more in terms of which conditions for marriage were fulfilled.....

[@ashtree5957]

@@mariemunzar6474 We are converts to the Catholic Church. In a typical evangelical setting there really isn't much of a tradition. There is no priest but an ordained minister instead, some believe women can be the marriage officiant/minister while others don't, there isn't usually a rule that you have to marry inside of a house of worship. My husband and I got married in the Church of Christ I grew up in and they only strongly advised it be in a church (their church/our church at the time) setting and advised we be married before getting baptised for some reason. There really wasn't a "tradition" other than it had to be in front of an ordained minister, preferably with the church we were attending. And that church is significantly more strict than any other low church I have ever known. I wouldn't know anything about other "high church" traditions.

[@Anastas1786]

If this is a real-life scenario and not just a hypothetical, personal-curiosity question, you might want to ask your own priest or bishop. He can answer your questions and discuss your concerns in real-time, and you won't have to wait for Father Pine to reply or worry that he might miss or lose your comment.

[@ashtree5957]

@@Anastas1786 I'm just worried about it being the main deterrent for family members who might have otherwise been open to joining the church but they don't want to be alone.

[@BalthasarCarduelis]

The natural marriage (whether Protestant, Hindu, civil, or whatever) is valid when it is made free from every impediment and diriment. The Church alone has the power to judge the validity of a natural marriage (after one or both parties become catechumen(s)), so ask your parish priest.

[@bikecameraaction3334]

OK, that's clear. But I'm Anglican and divorced with Anglican children (my Anglican ex-wife wanted and filed for divorce). However, I'm entering the Catholic Church. I want a full spiritual life and I would like to get married again, one day. What are my options?

[@jessr1698]

I have a friend who was in a similar situation. She got an annulment.

[@bikecameraaction3334]

@@jessr1698 Thanks for your reply. I'm investigating an annulment, but my priest says not to worry for the time being. My priority is converting to Catholicism later this year. Thanks again

[@Ithlin101]

Excuse my ignorance, but was this video intending to “defend” amoris Letitia? What Fr Gregory Pine said in no way, to my mind, reflect that which is the point of controversy regarding Amoris Letitia.

[@nickhope21]

That is what I was wondering. Explaining the impact of amoris letitia on what the catechism teaches/ current official church teaching.

[@crazyedswonderfulworldofso9370]

So what you're saying Father is, that because of the extenuating circumstances (the children) it is better to stay together for the children's sake and cause what appears to be, and is, "scandal" even though the couple is not having conjugal relations until they can get their marriage regularized. In Pope Francis' example however, he cited a man who does not want to regularize the marriage in God's eyes and prefers to live with the status quo (which of course means conjugal relations). Pope Francis said, that for the sake of the children and since the mother depends on the man for her livelihood and wellbeing of the children, that she could receive communion under compassionate grounds because she is in a situation that she cannot regularize. This situation however, would continue to cause scandal. No?

[@FeWolf]

Issue I have if the marriage is annulment, is this, than you forticated the whole time, either way is loose, loose.

[@margaretwandel5660]

I agree marriage is a sacrament. The problem I have, however, with Catholic teaching on divorce is that it does not recognized that many marriages end because of the sin of one spouse. The other spouse who has been betrayed is often innocent. Why should the betrayed spouse not be allowed to remarry if they want to? Catholic teaching on this ignores there are two biblical grounds for divorce, adultery and/or desertion. The betrayed spouse is not the one who has committed a sin.

[@samuelagwotu5074]

Like Fr Said, marriage is permanent, its for life ! before you go for it, understand Sacramental Marriage ! then you make proper life decision !

[@margaretwandel5660]

@@samuelagwotu5074 That is the ideal. In this fallen world, marriage is often corrupted. It only takes one spouse to end a marriage. The Catholic Church's approach to divorce shames the innocent as well as the guilty. It lacks compassion. Anglicans and other Protestants have a much better understanding of the real world situation regarding marriage.

[@AJKPenguin]

It humbles the innocent and corrects the guilty, offering the chance for Mercy and, hence, Justice. Mercy without Justice is not Mercy. Justice without Mercy is not Justice.

[@margaretwandel5660]

@@AJKPenguin No, it shames the innocent. That is not justice. It is just one more layer of abuse and condemnation. It drives people away from the church. As Pope Francis says, the Eucharist is not a prize for the perfect. It is medicine for sinners.

[@margaretwandel5660]

@Borna Fresh The desire to remarry is not about forgiveness. That is a separate issue. It is not sinful to choose to love again. A friend of mine had a very successful second marriage. Her first husband was abusive and selfish. He is on his sixth marriage. It is he who is living in sin. Not her.

[@bdschm3475]

Father, I do understand that most of us will not die without sex. The real problem is much deeper than that however. You are telling someone who is divorced and civilly remarried that they should live as "brother and sister" in order to even be able to receive the sacraments of Penance or the Eucharist. Let's say this person is not Catholic but wants to join the Catholic Faith. You then put them in the position of not honoring their marriage that they are currently in and are in fact advocating openly dissolving this marriage for all intents and purposes. This arrangement is basically hostile and detrimental to your vows to this person. What if the non-Catholic spouse in this situation does not want to support such extreme measures? You are then faced with the possibility of jeopardizing your current marriage stability. This could have grave implications not only for the family, but even spiritual ones. What if God DOES in fact expect this person to honor their current marriage vows- even though the marriage is not validated by the Church? That would mean you are advising this person to break the command of Christ (not to divorce) a second time. After all it does say in the scripture that "God hates divorce". Could it be that it's just as offensive to God to end a current marriage as a past one? Are you going to stand with this person in the judgement and answer for their course of action? I think not. This person alone will have to answer for taking such advice and not learning from the first mistake. I am speaking from personal experience here as I am currently facing this decision. My first marriage ended very quickly and for a very good reason. I have now been married over 42 years and raised 3 children with my wife. I am not Catholic but would like to join the Faith after much study and prayer. I cannot do so without either living in sin or without jeopardizing-dissolving a marriage that has lasted longer than most of this generation have been alive. It is the worst situation that I have ever faced and no easy solution. I have thought about trying to talk to a priest about whether an annulment is possible for that long ago marriage, but it has been over 40 years and witnesses are probably not going to be easy or even possible to find at this point.

[@kateleurs5012]

Almost same situation as me. My heart is in an anguish.

[@susanfennimore3152]

So any one party can say they didn’t intend now, but didn’t say that at the time ? And can hurt a family of adult children . The church can change for a few dollars. As for me I made my vow to God not to man and my relationship with Him is most important, more than that I taught my children to be honest at all times and that doesn’t mean u can change your mind because it becomes inconvenient ,it seems the RC church has rules for its convenience ( financial comfort) . It seems the RC has one more reason to split . I will follow Christ in word and deed .

[@ochem123]

"The vow of matrimony is very serious for remember it is a sacrament and is made in the presence of God the Father. Yet for many it is all about materialism and the exterior trappings. Many who receive the Sacrament of Matrimony do not acknowledge its importance thereafter. Many break their vows so easily. Why do they do this? Why pay lip service to this most Holy Union only to part soon afterwards? This is a mockery of one of the most important unions blessed by the hand of My Eternal Father. Many people do not pay any heed of My Father ́s will that no man shall pull asunder such a union thereafter. Yet many people divorce which is a law not recognized by My Father. Divorce is an easy way to run from your responsibilities. All marriages are made in Heaven. No man can destroy a marriage without offending My Father."

[@christiandpaul2022]

#AskAscension Something I always found unfair when divorce' remarry. If one member of the union dies while still in this union they go to hell as a sinner but the other person dodges the Bullitt because they are now single again and free to receive salvation. Is this truly what happens? My uncle and aunt (thru his marriage to her) were both remarried (to each other) and she tried desperately for years to get them back into full communion with the church but the priest told her that he had to die (or live as brother and sister) for her to be received back. She never bothered after that. They just went to a Protestant church. So longevity in a sinful relationship seems to be a bonus. (I still remember the day they were married. The entire family stood outside the church to wish them well when they came out and then everyone went home. No one would enter the protestant church or go to the reception)

[@Davidjune1970]

One person can seek annulment. In the end people need to rely on the mercy of Jesus. All are sinners. Christ knows what the role of people in a marriage are. Did one spouse ever truly honor their vows. Did one never really honor their vows. Seeking repentance is always required. Asking Mary to intercede for their sins is always helpful. Jesus knows our hearts. How each got to their place and all that contributed to it. No one on earth knows what will happen with Jesus and his judgement. As for thinking the the surviving divorcee gets off Scott free … yeah at the time of death but there are all those years before which they have to answer for.

[@MikePasqqsaPekiM]

God does not see the same way people see. People look at the outside of a person, but the Lord looks at the heart. 1 Samuel 16:7 Whatever the sin, if people are unrepentant, we should not assume that God is merely looking at a set of rules and checking boxes. “Oh, their legitimate spouse is dead. All good now!” Just because a spouse dies does not mean that all the sins and damage involved are suddenly erased. If there’s no repentance, there’s a good chance this person is hell-bound. I’m not pronouncing definitive judgement in your example, but I am saying that God is not playing games. We have a sense of Justice and mercy. God is the source of Justice and Mercy. Rest assured God knows where things truly stand, in every situation, every heart.

[@AS-np3yq]

How about talking why wonen divorce for fun and laws are against males?

[@ohnoyce]

Can one still receive communion if divorced and not remarried?

[@femaleKCRoyalsFan]

Yes I believe you can. I know somebody that got divorced in the 90s. I think she’s at least civil with her ex-husband because they have grandchildren but neither of them got remarried.

[@stephtaglianetti]

If one is not dating and chaste, and in a state of grace like any other Catholic, then yes.

[@Mrs_Homemaker]

Yes. If they remain chaste and don't remarry then they can receive communion

[@samuelagwotu5074]

Depends who breaks the bond ..........and that particular person doesn't take the initiative to fix his or her wrong. For example, some one who deserted, or even divorces, for what ever reasons does great harm, even if he or she doesn't get remarried. dissertation is a sin so grave that, you wont go for communion, Marriage is so complex, requires full understanding before going in to it . but the innocent parson can go for communion...

[@samuelagwotu5074]

@@femaleKCRoyalsFan Depends who breaks the bond ..........and that particular person doesn't take the initiative to fix his or her wrong. For example, some one who deserted, or even divorces, for what ever reasons does great harm, even if he or she doesn't get remarried. dissertation is a sin so grave that, you wont go for communion, Marriage is so complex, requires full understanding before going in to it . but the innocent parson can go for communion...

[@jamesforeman3096]

I love that conservative Catholics will go on all day about how the ultimate goal of marriage is sexual procreation and just act like the Holy Family doesn't exist. There's a whole book of the Bible whose sole purpose is to celebrate marriage and sexual intimacy. It does mention, or even allude to, procreation once.

[@harleymann2086]

What book of the Bible is that? Song of Songs could very well be the intimacy God has with His people. I have trouble seeing why the Bible would contain a book of “light porn”. I mean no disrespect😊

[@jamesforeman3096]

@@harleymann2086 Because sex is beautiful. It's not complicated.

[@lukebaker844]

I love your explanations Father, and I could really use your help with a philosophical/theological problem that I have long struggled with, and quite seriously. As I understand it, the virtue that we practice and acquire in our time on Earth expands our soul, in a manner of speaking, and its capacity for love and understanding, rather like a balloon. When we die, that capacity of soul is permanently “set,” if you will, and heaven will be filled with souls of various “sizes,” and occupying various “tiers” of heaven, with Mother Mary being the greatest “balloon “ of all, dwelling in the highest “tier” possible (understanding the quotation marks around these words to signify a simplification of various, ultimately unknown mysteries). My problem is this: knowing the great state of my personal sin, and assuming I am never able to fully able to make up for lost ground, spirituallly speaking, by the time of my death - barely making it into purgatory by the skin of my teeth, so to speak - how can I be happy knowing that I COULD have done better, that I could have been a larger “heavenly balloon” with a greater capacity for love and happiness if I had only struggled harder to practice virtue in my time on earth? And it is not a matter of spiritual greed that bothers me: I am not worried so much about what I may be missing out on in heaven as I am the idea that I served the Lord less than I could have, and the consequences are permanent. I am perfectly content to be the least little flower in all of heaven, as long as I was the most beautiful flower I COULD have been. Isn’t the idea that heaven is filled with souls of lesser beauty than they could have had something worth mourning? Doesn’t our picture of heaven seem less perfect for it? I can’t get past this for some reason, and it plagues me. I understand, of course, that our happiness in heaven will still be complete, as our spiritual “balloons” will each filled to capacity, but again, while I’m sitting around here on earth pondering such things, this idea of permanently lost potential - for myself, for others, and for the overall beauty of heaven itself - greatly saddens me. Help me figure this one out please Father.

[@enshala6401]

Awww, what a beautiful soul you have! I wonder if you are going through a dark night... have you considered seeking spiritual direction?

[@lukebaker844]

I appreciate the comment, but it’s quite undeserved. It’s not a dark night, I assure you. I have had true spiritual direction before, but to my mind it’s really for spiritual athletes who are at least decently on the path to a healthy spirituality. Since then I’ve become a bit of a spiritual couch potato, doing my best to at least get up off my butt and say a rosary or two. It’s probably better than that to some degree but you get the point. I’ve just been well educated enough in the faith to be plagued with such spiritual quandaries as you just read (while still maintaining complete faith in the full teachings of the Church, mind you).

[@enshala6401]

@@lukebaker844 hmm... Regarding being in the dark night, you might be surprised. Fr. Thomas Dubay has a book called Seeking Spiritual Direction, and he lays out differences in symptoms between those suffering the dark night versus other situations, like backsliding and clinical depression. It was really helpful for when I went through it (really long story). I would recommend staying in a state of grace, spending some time in adoration, meditate on the sanctifying gifts of the Holy Spirit (and ask for the one that you desire the most, because if you're open-hearted for this, then your desire should match your need), keep offering yourself to Christ, and live the Gospel. BTW, if you feel like you are in limbo (colloquially) stuck between Heavenly and Earthly worlds, and like you don't really feel like you belong to either, that's a clue that you might be in the dark night.

[@lukebaker844]

Certainly worth a second thought. Thanks for the comments

[@tinamckay-iv3tf]

I want to know what God says , not man.

[@hansblitz7770]

If they didn't take their vows seriously the first time, there is a high likelihood they wil not take them seriously the 2nd time. If they can't even give a good solid reason why they abandoned their vows, some BS sense of "just not happy" Run, do not walk, away from that person. They are obviously fickle, have no perseverance, and live day to day for their own sense of "happiness" "I'm hap hap hapayyy yay!" This person is not cut out for marriage.

[@METALITHrevetments]

Does anyone think that any diocesan bishop would refuse a monetary donation from those who are divorced and remarried without the Church's "annulment"? Then again, for the right monetary donation the "annulment" could be secured. Such a conundrum...

[@johnross4908]

What about adultery, Jesus teaches that a man cannot give his wife a letter of divorce, save for adultery.

[@davidmascarenas9830]

Your video pretty much follows Catholic teaching. However downplaying the outrage over the heretical and scandalous document Amoris Laetitia as "hubbub" is not tesponsible. Your interpretation does not match the Argentinian bishops interpretation which bergoglio officially said is the only interpretation. This is trying to paper over a train wreck. Great saints like John the Baptist, Thomas More and John Fisher were martyred over this teaching. Amoris Laetita is Bergoglios surrender to the culture and refusal of the idea God's grace can result in conversion. If the Church teaching on divorce and remarriage cannot be trusted, why should any other church teaching be trusted?

[@davidmascarenas9830]

@@samighazouani6587 please feel free to explain how it is out of t ouch with reality. 5 cardinals thought Amoris Laetita was problematic enough to issue a Subiaco. The Dubai has never been answered. Not to mention the numerous theologians who have raised serious concerns.

[@OakStump]

So, boom. Because of my personal experience, I am preternaturally sensitive to the subject of divorce. I observe, even in the young, a residue of the contempt for the divorced that was general in the Church before V-II: Divorced people are bad. I have heard little from the Church in the past 30 years to change this attitude. The contempt is real. But the understanding is missing. That’s where you lot come in. Can you not do a video about how one should treat divorced people in one’s parish? The divorced are garbage. While one priest correctly stated that divorce, though regrettable, does not exclude from communion-remarriage being the problem, the divorced are “like those who experience same-sex attraction through no fault of their own”. Really?!!! No one is ‘born that way’ when it comes to divorce. Divorce is a discreet event that happens to people who are following the lawful and natural urge to marry. It’s less like Lady Gaga and more like stubbing your toe on a hike up a hill. You can still walk. You were not born ‘broken’. (The temerity!). But, if that is how our priests regard the divorced, let alone the cold shoulder from the married who think you have a communicable disease. No wonder divorced people leave the Church. It’s toxic. But it is down to attitude. You lot could do something about that. Once people understand that the divorced are merely people who have failed (like the rest of of y’all), then maybe there would be less scandal and discrimination. Why doesn’t the Church let divorced people join religious communities? They’re not having sex anyway, they are not able to contract another marriage, they are valuable people with lots to offer? The same is true of the annulled and remarried. Why is the Church throwing away its children? Because they are garbage? Could you do something about that? People listen to you. Maybe you could change attitudes. Think about it.

[@wyzardfoot]

I was going to comment on your well written thoughts, but then realized I don't care any longer. The Catholic Church is just another form of government; a middle-man, a gate-keeper, a law-maker with no real authority besides that of any government - authority only enforced through threat of death and pain. It is an organization that is far from God, although full of Christians.

[@Carmen24860]

Great comment. I wish some priest who had no personal experience of a living hell of a marriage himself could answer your question. I doubt it very much!

[@thomism1016]

Has Father got REALLY LARGE HANDS or is it just me? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@leaverus]

The Church hands out annulments like candy these days. Their annulments should be annulled for being invalid.

[@Charlotte_Martel]

Not trying to be provocative, but I sincerely wonder how often those who are remarried successfully live as "brother and sister." Very rarely,I'd imagine. Would it not be better to acknowledge reality and allow for a limited number of divorces as the Orthodox Church does? On another note, I see that most young Catholics wait years for a sacramental marriage after having a civil one just to be sure this is THE ONE. Going a few yrs w/o Communion is better than being trapped in a doomed marriage for life IMO.

[@OrangeXenon54]

Really shows how your mind isn't on the eternal but on the temporal.

[@Charlotte_Martel]

​@@OrangeXenon54My mind is focused on what can be proven. Claims about the afterlife, by their very nature, cannot be. Therefore, I focus on the only life we are guaranteed to have.

[@eamonbreathnach4613]

I wish I knew as little about marriage as this priest

[@DarkAngel-cj6sx]

Tell me about it

[@harleymann2086]

It is the Church that teaches these things; these are not his words. Besides, ad hominem arguments are unreasonable, but emotions

[@rodrogers6895]

Millions of Christians have experienced both divorce and remarriage. Some were divorced while being believing Christians, and there were such severe problems at the marriage could not be saved; others were divorced before they became Christian. These people have experienced God’s forgiveness, lives faithful Christian lives, and are raising godly children. Divorce, for whatever reason, it’s not an unforgivable sin. Do not let any “church“ prevent you from living a happy, godly, fulfilled life.

[@paigeu23]

This is why middle aged people give up and go to the Anglican church. The RCC requires supernatural virtue to access the supernatural grace Of the sacraments. This is so different than the evangelical zeal and inclusiveness described in Acts.