That Guy HATES The Rules of DnD

[@TigerKirby215]

DM's Girlfriend: _Knows literally everything._ DM: _Targets OP when called out._ Other players: "Hmm... Must've been the wind." With players this oblivious I don't doubt that the DM's girlfriend was the smartest politician in the group.

[@koboldking7153]

That whole session in a nutshell was like: Velma: "Jenkies!" Shaggy: "Zoinks!" Daphne: "Jeepers!" Fred: "Fu-" *bam*

[@mrosskne]

Scooby : "Riggers!"

[@Michaeljack81sk]

I never ever thought I would hear the words "Shaggy, violently shitting into a bucket" and I blame Fred's player

[@CooperAATE]

Imagine wanting to be Scrappy instead of Daphne

[@TheFuriousScribbles]

Well, yeah. Daphne might have karate but does she have Puh-puh-puh-Puppy Power? I think not.

[@TaoScribble]

I mean, if Velma's taken, I'd rather be Scrappy. I couldn't pull off Daphne if my life depended on it. XD

[@BlackrockPuppy]

PUPPY POWER Scrappy was a savage lil asshole back in the days and we know it so rather him too 😂

[@chaos4654]

Scrappy hate is way too overboard in the first place anyway.

[@bradymenting5120]

everyone has the right to be wrong

[@benjaminehren7965]

for the freddie story having him go missing fits the flavor perfectly, given how often daphne goes missing.

[@Azazyael]

Last story: The book Meddling Kids is an excellent Scooby doo /Cthulhu book.

[@starbird3939]

Story 3 Wow. This dude was blatantly bullying the Op for pointing out the favoritism. Yeah, I think these people wanted Op out of the game.

[@davidtherwhanger6795]

Yeah. I get the vibe something else was going on here. I can see one or two being clueless forever. But not everyone. I don't know but I kinda feel like OP isn't telling us everything, or not accurately. I have seen this before where an OP gave their version. Then literally every other person involved started listing all of OP's sins (the ones the OP "didn't know" or "forgot to mention") in the comments.

[@Yoxiv]

[Scooby Doo meets C'thulhu] Ah shit, it's the series finale of Mystery Inc. all over again

[@littlegiantj8761]

Story 1 reminds me of a player in my first campaign. Dude wanted at-will Wild Shape for CR 0 animals. That was much more broken than it sounded at the time.

[@nextdoorneighbour]

Wildshape is already a very strong ability, as a DM often I have to carefully play around it. It shouldn't get a buff (neither should it get a nerf, because I like druids)

[@fred_derf]

"The DM and their girlfriend" or "The DM and their boyfriend" are *HUGE RED FLAGS.*

[@rhysofsneezingdragon1758]

"so we had scrappy doo" oh God no.

[@PaladinGear15]

Once had a game where the DM started the adventure saying "okay so what are you doing?". No set up, no "you're here in this tavern" just "what are you doing?". We kind of awkwardly tried to go along with it, like my character was hunting, another was scamming people, another was with his family. and we listed it off, and then he said "okay..... so what are you gonna do now?" dude clearly didn't know the point of a DM.

[@sunzi42]

In "the girlfriend knows it all" -story, I get the feeling that something is missing in the relationship between the players. It sounds like OP and the DM was not the best of friends. I would like to read the ENTIRE story.

[@thegreatcanadianweasel9928]

I'm with you on that. The way it reads it would be impossible for other players not to notice such things.

[@Cornfiglep]

You have to pay extra attention to what an OP is saying (or not saying) when the story is OP stating how every other player is somehow the problem/too oblivious to notice the problem or irrelevant at all unless they're agreeing with the OP. It's not impossible that it all happened exactly as OP stated without any other hooks, but more than likely something else was at play that either OP DIDN'T know about that factored into the DM's actions and the Players reactions, or there's something that the OP chose to omit to make themself seem more like the victim.

[@shadiafifi54]

I would have used "ZOINKS!" for the last story, but "Jinkies" works too, I guess...

[@theofficerfactory2625]

Hello Ziggy. Story 1: What the heck players! That was bad; more like stupid. Sounds like a video game mentality player. Story 2: Ooh. I love the concept that OP gives to Deadland. I may look into it. Love the party, ack; posse names. Oh god; one of those Dixie-crat nuts. Good for you OP for kicking the Johnny reb out of the posse. Down with the traitor and up with the stars! Story 3: Hostile DM! How dare OP go against DM’s girlfriend! Oh, that’s BS DM! The whole poison thing is just punishment for OP figuring out what was going on. Oh, you got them that! Probably paid by us, viewers. Story 4: Sounds like a fun premise. Uh, that went from 0 to 100 real fast!

[@mesiagamer5217]

Honestly these stories where the DM's girlfriend/boyfriend feels like a bad DMPC story with another person. OP in story two was in a no win situation and set up to fail.

[@paleknight1]

Okay that sentence of Fred Jones getting his face blasted off was priceless.

[@TheZMage]

I’ve heard tell of a Call of Cthulhu/Scooby Doo crossover adventure called the Pooch on the Doorstep. It’s been covered by at least one podcast out there

[@solarchos4352]

Shaggy had to violently crap into a bucket?! I can only imagine what that scene was like. And Velma TOTALLY summoned that Dimensional Shambler on purpose. We all know how scheming she is.

[@FordPrefict42]

Killing Fred Jones with a shotgun?!? Zoinks!!!

[@m.l.s.7368]

I'm intrigued about how and why the forces of the universe always make me be here the second you upload a video. . . . But i'm not complaining.

[@MarquisLeary34]

To clarify about California in Deadlands....well...be careful about offers of free food. Also, keep in mind that even in Deadlands' CSA, blatant bigotry is on the wane since humans are realizing that, after facing lovecraftian horror made real, shunning allies over skill color is beyond stupid.

[@conwaysquest6961]

"The Nightmare gods have arrived and are consuming the earth, we don't have time to be racist." Nothing brings people together like massive, existential threats.

[@TigerW0lf]

Were they REALLY that stupid to believe that the guy wasn't being targeted!?

[@symantares9171]

"This is dumb because you aren't just giving me more power for free!"

[@starbird3939]

Story 1 What arseholes to make fun of people for their hobbies… and then have the gall to Kalvinball the game they are mocking and not bothering to understand the rules. I would not play with these people.

[@Sigilstone17]

If you're gonna do Scooby-Doo crossed with Call of Cthulhu: you might as well go full Tucker & Dale Vs Evil from the start because that's what it's gonna turn into upon first combat anyway (that or Scary Movie.)

[@dazersneezydwarf]

Ah yes, daily dose of doge. Precisely what I needed.

[@chelonianmobile]

That Scooby Doo game sounds AMAZING.

[@DisneyChar]

I would have been laughing my ass off while pointing out that I caught the dm cheating so all the monsters targeted me and then he made up a fake poison cause he couldn't win in a fair fight.

[@marybdrake1472]

no one? Really? No one wanted to play Daphne? Oh come on! Daphne is valuable asset to the team. Even though she does more accidentally at times. XD Jinkies indeed.

[@deepseastonecore3017]

Thanks 4 all the hard work.

[@WolfHreda]

As someone who has 80 different characters made in DnD Beyond, I understand OP and his DM in the first story. Sometimes you just want to come up with fun, dumb stuff.

[@starbird3939]

Last Story Jinkies indeed.

[@wargriz8213]

Read the girlfriend story online. So dumb that no other plays called DM out on kicking out OP because his character got targeted. Also, yes the setting was Rokugan.

[@thomascripe9905]

Seriously, I'm 100% with you on that second story. Okay maybe I could see people being too trusting of the DM and not believing in the concept that he was making sure they were all indebted to his girlfriend or maybe in the back of their mind thinking it was for a story beat but when the DM announces that if somebody dies in this game their player is out not just the character and then after everybody survives just saying I totally poisoned you beforehand and I totally rolled before now so no one saw the role and it was totally enough to kill you and none of them batting an eye either they knew what was going on or they have a real life wisdom score of three giving them a modifier of -4. I don't even lower but it's impossible to roll lower than that on the die

[@jessewilley531]

I have a funny Deadlands story. I was playing a mad scientist obsessed with combing any two gadgets he came across. (IE: He famously combined a locomotive and a tank.) But his Holy Grail was a Gatling Breakfast Gun. (Basically a combo of a Gatling gun and the fast breakfast machine. A gun capable of rapid firing waffles, pancakes, French toast and syrup.) And god damn it, after four sessions of trying to build this-- I succeeded. Weirder yet, at first, the machine was deadly as fuck. So much so that another player got pissed at me for going back for it in a fight and killed me. Which was fine by me since one of the others games I was in was moving time slot, and I wanted to be in the same games as my then girlfriend. But when I died, I had to pull from the deck.... and got the black Joker. (Ut-oh.) Anyway, the player who killed me was getting bored with his character. Since I was only going to be able to be in one more session, I didn't want to make a new character. So I asked the DM if I could play the zombie form of my old character. Normally the rules would say no. But he realized what I had in mind... and started cackling like a madman. And my friend's character got a good heroic exit... and I got a more fitting end.... smashed into a repaired waffle gun and fire out of it.

[@dragowolfraven3806]

If you don't like rules why are you playing the game then?😕

[@vortega472]

Hi Ziggy! I like string too. Oooooh, Lucky and Alice have a toy - nice work Doge. Interesting stories today - especially the last one.

[@stephenadams8712]

Or the other players didn't want to be targeted as well

[@Jermbot15]

"Girlfriend knows all" sounds like it could be renamed, "That guy gets removed, nobody cares that much." The game the DM chooses to host is the game in offer. You need to decide if the game being offered to you is worth your time. Taking this OP completely at his word, the game offered was flawed, biased, ran by a DM who will cheat, and fun enough that he had to be kicked rather than simply leave. I don't know what would have happened if the player would have been straight with the DM about his concerns. But I can imagine a few scenarios where what he saw as favoritism was the DM facilitating the larger story.

[@alexiswylde7335]

Those entries in the books are not rules they are guidelines. If there are rules they are (1. Know thy player. 2. Do what works at your table. 3. If the party finds it "cool" it "rules".) These are the only rules necessary for a fun and engaging game.

[@starkraver-7938]

Second player sounds like he'd come straight from AD&D 2e

[@ChaosTicket]

I side with the first guy because of the Edition Wars. 4th edition D&D was the first D&D edition I saw to have Fixed Damage spells. Older editions individual spells got better as you characters grew in level AND you would unlock new spells. There was no "Upcasting" until 3rd edition, and that was because of Metamagic spell feats allowing you to change what spell level you could cast in. I want my Caster Level 5-10 Fireball that uses a Level 3 spell slot again.

[@chaos4654]

Op in the last story pulled the trigger way too soon. What should've probably been done was go way slower. Encounter a legit corpse rather then see a messy killing/murder/a death in front of them.

[@TaoScribble]

I don't get it. D&D's (tabletop in general) rules/dice rolling for everything turns me off as well, but that just meant I stuck with freeform. Did everyone just forget that freeform exists??

[@kaisermaotelus896]

Me when doge plays Shadow Of Mordor

[@thehowlinggamer5784]

And here I was hoping he named him Robert for Robert Redford who played Sundance in the movie 'Burch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid'...

[@ShyBiiteVT]

In story 4, I would've stayed connected with Fred and his GF long enough to ask them to lend me the exact money they owed Shaggy. Then immediately give that money to Shaggy and THEN kick them both out.

[@AlexanderTF]

Yea that CoC Scooby-doo murder hobo fred story reminded me of my first GRUPS game, where a guy just like that, while I was sleeping in a tavern, just climbed in through the window and proceded to rob me, and when I chased him with a spear oh yeah, he managed to beg and convince the DM to give him mega Main character Stats so no one could touch him ... and roughly about 3 games in I quite cause the murder hobo was rule loyering too much and since the game had everyone have a powerful spirit by them, the guy had 4 spirits ... and 4 different stat blocks .... screw that game ...

[@raeishimura]

Geeze, story one guy sounds like such a dunce. I mean, seriously, He's complaining about the mechanics and stuff, but because he doesn't know the rules, he doesn't realize that all of his problems were already solved and he's just doing it wrong. never have i wanted to facedesk so hard in my life.

[@Blindy_Sama]

As a southerner myself the individual in one of these stories makes the rest of us look really bad and ignorant. I understand one thing for a story setting but good Lord.. I mean I have friends of all walks of life and everything else. geez Louise I mean I've even had African American friends that wear Confederate flags because they are also born in the south. Mind you this is rare but God it's 2022 we're all Americans anyways, I always find these stories very entertaining

[@MarquisLeary34]

Also southern. Some cockroaches refuse to die...

[@zegapunk4785]

I wait for these every day Also have a a story im waiting for

[@uzumakis2]

Scrappy Doo over Daphne? Not even Scrappy Doo wants to be Scrappy Doo

[@notoriouswhitemoth]

'I shouldn't have to upcast it, it should just scale with my character level' ... you mean like a cantrip? You can't expect to get better at something you don't invest any effort into. ... wait... the people who, irl, won the war, because the losing side's economy never had a leg to stand on in the first place... have more advanced technology in this setting... meaning the people who won were better equipped to win... and that somehow means the war lasted longer??? That's like saying the colonialist campaigns of the 18th century would still be going today if the English and Portuguese had had modern assault rifles! Campaigns in which there was barely any fighting because the colonizers had early machine guns and the colonized generally had bows and spears!

[@williamj.harrington7890]

Why would you say jinkies when Fred said fuck

[@SnaxTheSnaxolotl]

Another outstanding video!

[@miles9462]

>Extreme right wing rhetoric. >Discussing the confederacy, which the Democrats, you know, Dixiecrats, were a huge part of. Fuck Reddit

[@Ozzy08018]

This video gives some respite since my groups game today didn't happen. Nothing bad happened it's just that we play during a free period at school and one two of our 4 players had work to do while another is sick. We'll probably be doing it tomorrow though.

[@idankatz8085]

Why is Ziggy the only japanese cat? How do they communicate? I have so many questions

[@tsifirakiehl4250]

First story: If you don’t want rules, you don’t want to play D&D. You just want to play pretend. There’s nothing wrong with that, but you shouldn’t be a jerk about it. People who like apples don’t go around complaining about stupid oranges are for not being apples! Second story: Yeesh. Robert sounds like a nasty piece of work. OP made the right choice in kicking him out. Third story: Wow, those other players must be either the most gullible or willfully blind people alive. It’s honestly kind of impressive. Fourth story: People prefer Scrappy-Doo, possibly the most notoriously hated character in the entire franchise, over Daphne? The heck? Anyway, on a note more related to the actual horror of the story, there are loads of ways to get a character out of a story without killing them. Fred could have gotten sick, or needed to go home because of a family emergency, or any number of other things could happen. At least OP realized in hindsight that sudden murder wasn’t the way to go in this case. Hopefully they can run that game again, maybe with new players, and keep the tone they want.

[@Svartalf14]

I always s!ay, if the DM's SO is playing, flee!

[@rifter0x0000]

Bad rolls? The guy made his saves all night and the last save he rolled a 19. But the poison was deliberately designed to do exactly as much con damage as he had, and have a save dc exactly high enough that he needed a 20. Also, he should have had to roll the poison save before the game ended, back when he would have touched it. That would have given him an opportunity to be helped by other characters. I also definitely don't believe DM even rolled that damage because he claimed to have rolled it before the game instead of doing it in front of the group, and somehow it was exactly max which was exactly enough to kill the character.

[@jamison85]

First story sounds almost a bit made up, more like someone venting about the stupidest questions they've gotten over the years.

[@jacobgallegos8762]

Them other players are gullible asf lol

[@michaelkennedy6759]

The guy from the first story sounds like a jerk but there is something to be said for throwing out the rulebook.

[@rynowatcher]

First one; the first three versions of d&d the spells increased in potency based on caster level, so you threw a d6 of damage for every caster level up to 20 (you could go to level 32 before qualifying for "Immortal" rules). The other guy would probably like old school games better. Low rule games can be fun; theory crafting is solo fun, and low rules games focus on what you do in game versus what kind of bard you can make. There is a weird elitism with op where they are ignoring the other guy's point. A Stat increase every 4 levels of +1 is not addressing the issue the other player is having: does not want to choose between monk abilities and magic. This is an inherent problem; d&d is based on classes that are not really meant to be modular. You are going to have problems making a monk sorcerer with the concept the player has because the system makes you choose between the classes, feats, and Stat increases. Should be playing Savage Worlds, I guess. Also, I think the "nerds" thing is meant to be playful in context of the fact they are having a fairly friendly conversation otherwise.

[@robertwildschwein7207]

If DnD is for nerds, does that not only mean that I am a Nerd too, but also that YOU are a Nerd too?

[@Wolvenwargmusic]

The Deadlands story is the exact reason why I have a non-negotiable rule that unless it's dealing with factions in the game, there is no political talk. That said, I do frown also at OP and the other players for immediately taking something stated IC into OOC land. Characters are allowed to have their own feelings and stances on things, that road goes both ways, also trying to say his pseduo-KKK talk was "right wing" is a rather stupid generalization and really makes me wonder if OP isn't doing a bit of demonizing the other player in the tale to paint themselves in a better light.

[@teheles]

What a shame that the third story was a bad end.

[@nickbrothwood1238]

Well it's a good thing OP never played with them again, no dnd is better than shite dnd.

[@gigaswardblade7261]

why must the 3rd OP keep the card game a secret? imma just assume its magic the gathering.

[@Keiji555]

Deadlands story: Why would you play in such a setting, if you weren't going to allow characters to choose to be confederates? It could have led to very interesting stories. Unfortunately, we see the biases of the OP, and I think he should just stick to feel good 5e rookie games, instead of games which could lead to nuance. I mean, is he going to bring up the entire confederate unit of Blacks, who weren't doing it because they were slaves, but because they believed in what the Confederacy stood for, or because Lincoln was an authoritarian dictator that would send his soldiers to crush citizens in New York because they decided on a peaceful protest? Or perhaps that some of these actions leading to most of the states that nearly sided with the confederacy because of Lincoln's tyrannical action?

[@knottheory79220]

Deadlands has no slavery. Something is wrong with that story.

[@asioca1992]

Older editions of the game had mentions of it, but it was still considered a morally dubious thing to engage in while the more modern editions outright tells the reader that only evil characters are racists.

[@TrixyTrixter]

@@asioca1992 Don't deal in absolutes. A guy can be good while hating one race for whatever reason. Family murdered by [Insert race here] in front of him? Makes for a compelling reason to have a disslike or see such as savages/evil. Its all a mater of how its handled or explained.

[@Isaygoodday5]

OP of story 3 should've kicked DM's ass

[@r.incursu2572]

I'm curious what the people in the political campaign would say if they saw what the guy wrote

[@oblivionx2000]

I demand more cats!

[@starbird3939]

Story 2 … Yeah no. Do not play with Nazis, do not play with KKK members, do not play with bigots-PERIOD. I feel like that is the issue you find when you want to run a historical game-you stumble upon people who want to act like assholes from that time.

[@FlinxWeasel]

TCG based around political intrigue... Sounds like the old Game of Thrones that predated HBOs series by ages.

[@SOGAUA]

Zoinks

[@Inkubun]

HELLO

[@DnDDoge]

Morning!

[@darklonestar8016]

The Confederates were Democrats in the past it was the Republicans that were fighting against the confederate but in the end it was North versus South Of the United States and this is history that is fact

[@thekaiser3815]

It's one of those inconvenient little truths the democrats like to cover up, they really have not changed that much.

[@michaelleader633]

I knew that guy lol.

[@DarkVoid-hp6sb]

For the deadlands story Idt that guy was just potentially a KKK member.

[@asteriondeltoro124]

Honestly? OP in Story 1 kinda proved That Guy's point for him. Having to get into statistical minutia while building a character and consider a dozen different things while figuring out how to not make your character worthless can be very frustrating. Some people just want to Roll Dice To Punch Real Hard.

[@thefoundinghollow520]

You can't be serious.

[@starbird3939]

Then play another system or just RP without the dice. Don’t Kalvinball a game rhat already has rules until you actually UNDERSTAND the rules.

[@asioca1992]

How dare OP point out the rules that would've fixed that guy's issues if he paid attention. It's clearly the game's fault.

[@ByrdieFae]

What I would do in that second game: not play in the first place. As a black person, a game about "the Civil War never ending" isn't appealing. At all. It's bad enough when racists worm into other games, the premise here just feels like an open invitation.

[@Sigilstone17]

Quick, don't look up what Lincoln said in his speeches and diaries that aren't in school books: you might start thinking the North weren't the heroes they made themselves out to be.

[@asioca1992]

For what it's worth, Deadlands (or at least the older editions) used the civil war as a backdrop element while the main focus on the game was the supernatural elements that included stuff like demons, cryptids, undead, etc. that would emerge from the titular deadlands and cause trouble that the PC's had to stop before it negatively impacted the setting. Also, Deadlands treats stuff like racism and the like as an always evil action to partake in, with the newer editions outright telling the reader that only evil characters are racists. So even within the context of the game, Roberts would've been considered a shitty person who the party was free to ditch at any point in time, even if his IRL views didn't sync up with his IC racism.

[@DaShyGuy54]

Can you do some more stories with good revenge, I don’t like watching your channel for that reason. Other channels have good stories when the DM for the player gets their revenge against a nasty player or DM. I only say this because at the end of your videos I feel very unsatisfied. Now let me reiterate that your channel isn’t bad, I do watch a good amount of your videos because some of them are intriguing, but a lot of them have a sour ending

[@marooniballooni03759]

what's all this ring-wing shit going on right now?

[@MarquisLeary34]

It's a backlash to all the spotlights on left wing extremists egged on by grifters and hustlers who benefit from outrage.

[@coffeefox5703]

The player and DM in the first story should have gotten rid of the other players immediately. Players who mock the DM and constantly say "thats dumb" at every turn don't have to be at the table. You don't HAVE to play D&D with shitty players nor should it be a chore to play. I don't understand why DMs put up with that sort of shit. True friends don't mock you and make you feel bad about the things you enjoy.