DM Calls Player Homophobic For Not Romancing DMPC | r/rpghorrorstories

[@AryTehCapricat]

Funny how the yaoi fan accused op of misogyny considering how she used female npcs and treated the one female player.

[@MercenaryX21]

You should see the fujoshis

[@Ando1428]

The one thing that's weird that even flies in the face of romance itself is that he just lost his aunt who was his mentor who came back to him like a mustache twirling supervillain so evil that he makes Hitler blush. How in the hell does she think his character would be in the mood for anything like romance.

[@Noah60]

Totally

[@victormagoco9752]

@@Ando1428 You’re thinking like a reasonable DM here, she was in the middle of writing her own fanfic remember? Edgy RogueX”Straight” Cleric with sudden and unexpected betrayal and manipulation from the Cleric’s Aunt/Mentor is definitely a thing somewhere in the internet, so I can see the tropes she was going for, her mistake was forcing other people into it

[@Ando1428]

@@victormagoco9752 true

[@N3rd_love]

A character of 5 years dying with no saves possible THATS THE MOST DISRESPECTFUL MOVE BY THE DM I'VE HEARD

[@dreamhollow]

It sounds like this female DM just outright hates other women. You get that impression from the whole "every single female character is evil" plotline.

[@JackdawFeathers]

I’m literally the least straight man I know, so I feel confident in saying that the first DM’s obsession with mlm relationships is insanely creepy and inappropriate

[@RiveroftheWither]

Definitely an obsessive Shounen ai fan girl and I say this as someone who likes some yaoi. There is very much a right way/wrong way to being a yaoi/BL/Shounen ai straight or female fan. The right being that you like the stories and characters, or you ship a pair of same sex, fully fictional characters because you think they make a good pair and don't get butt hurt if others don't agree. The wrong way is legitimately fetishizing and getting turned on by gay ships, shipping real people or trying to force a roleplayer of any kind into it, shipping very unhealthy pairs or trying to force people into only accepting their head canon ships, getting personally offended when people tell them to stop, pretending to be gay men online and catfishing actual gay men. It's ... a lot and most of us are not like that, we just like the stories and troupes.

[@TigerW0lf]

If the yaoi fangirl's defense is that op is homophobic, and considering that there was jokingly shipping with the girl pc, could we argue that her actions were "heterophobic?"🤔

[@CatoNovus]

She was definitely fetishising gay male relationships.

[@5cream5]

there rlly is no such thing as a well adjusted fujoshi

[@starbird3939]

@@RiveroftheWither Also like the occassional yaoi/shounen ai. My stance on problematic content is “you do you” unless you involve real people or try to force it down on others. There is a difference between labeling the container “Dead Dove, Do Not Eat”… and just placing a dead dove right in the middle of the fridge.

[@williek08472]

DM in the first story: *Is a woman *Fills her world with gay male NPCs *Only uses women as villains and seductresses, including a character from OP's backstory that wasn't even evil *Forces a gay romance between her DMPC and OP's character I can't be the only one who thinks there's some sort of underlying psychological subtext to this

[@argusroth3269]

You see a lot of fetishes and smut nowadays in D&D. You got to wonder how the populations of these worlds manage when everybody is in gay interspecies relationships lol.

[@davidtherwhanger6795]

There probably is. But I'm not touching this one.

[@williek08472]

@@davidtherwhanger6795 Me neither, I'm not qualified

[@AmaryInkawult]

@@argusroth3269 because fetishists don't think with their upper head

[@CatoNovus]

​@@AmaryInkawult They treat their fetish as a food people haven't tried yet. "Come on, taste it. You might like it."

[@catnugget7257]

You know it’s a blessing when you have not met these kind of people.

[@thedungeondelver]

Take heart, most of the really infuriating stories are made up bullshit. No, Karen, all the guys at the table didn't say they wanted to gang-rape your halfling. No, Todd, you weren't thrown out of the game just because you wanted to run an upright and moral paladin. No, Bill, the DM was not a controlling grognard asshole because he asked you to limit your backstory to 999 pages instead of the 1000 you wanted to write. These two, these stories today I can believe. They're mundane but wacky enough to have a ring of truth. The majority of them are cartoons.

[@vernonhampton5863]

I haven't, and don't want to.

[@leguan278]

Second dm was a stalker, fun story

[@barrybend7189]

I met someone similar.

[@Aros-pr2xr]

Yep…

[@goodfellow9607]

Dragon: “Surrender or your companions die.” *Paladin fires a crossbow bolt that misses entirely.* Dragon: “Am I joke to you?”

[@CooperAATE]

"It's the DM's fault!!!" - this comment section

[@andlien2175]

Doge's genuine laugh and "what??" at OP being called homophobic by the weird fetishy DM made my fucking day.

[@Michaeljack81sk]

Schadenfreude can be so delicious. Minmaxer taking down the DMPC at the end of the story despite all the DM's attempts to derail it was the chef's kiss! Calling OP out for homophobia and misogyny when she's literally trying to ship him against his own sexuality is so funny and sad. You know someone's lost it when they use those excuses for their own shitty behaviour

[@VidelxSpopovich]

I had a similar situation happen with a group I was in a few years back, though it was arguably less extreme in most cases. The DM, a young man whom I had been friends with at the time, was one of those obnoxious male feminists. As such all of the leaders and deities of the world save a few were strong women with the personality of cardboard. The main exception was our main villain for the adventure who I’ll get to shortly. Now, I too was playing a female character despite the fact that I myself am a man. However I like to think my portrayal was a bit more respectful than his. I was playing a worldly elven archer who worked primarily as a mercenary and had recently become a mother, her child being left with the father while she heads off on the adventure. For some reason, despite having approved the character and backstory beforehand, I found out much later that he wanted to get rid of my character from the start which I chalk up to the fact that I wasn’t just walking into his traps and actually playing the character like a real person and not a mindless game piece. Anyways his main villain was a unambiguously lesbian snake lady who he went into waaay too much detail describing. Like to the point that I told him it was a bit much and it might creep out the actual girl in our group. He whole bit was hypnotizing people and forcing them to be communists. Which I later found out was the plot of an episode of MLP. So, during all this my character is trying to convince the villain that she’s on her side which prompts the DM to start being a super creep and start having the villain sensually stroke my character, hold her passionately in her tail, weird stuff like that. What I would call lezzing out. Long story short my character later killed the BBEG snake lady in her sleep and the DM threw a fit and we don’t talk anymore.

[@Michaeljack81sk]

@@VidelxSpopovich Really sorry to hear that. I guess he wasn't that good a friend after all. Thankfully my worst DM was just terribly, terribly boring and by the numbers. But he was always willing to DM and his fights were well thought out even if his homebrew rules slowed battle down to a crawl at times

[@situpeutparlemoi]

That last story... What a golden opportunity for the Black Dragon to have made the love Interest PC's death an illusion. Then she and the dragon could chat about the dragon's true intentions as it takes pity on her for falling in love with such a pathetic paladin. And offers to teach her a spell or give her an item to protect herself against him in the future. What crueler way to torture a young lover than rip his beloved away, return her, but have her turn him away and deny him of her own accord?

[@BlueTressym]

I like the way you think *steals idea*.

[@fleacythesheepgirl]

Well damn. Somebody’s a way better writer than that DM.

[@teateline9659]

Definitely a great idea if the dragon knows about the romance. Faking it with an illusion would still work great but obviously wouldn't have the talk about the horrid relationship

[@сільськаприбахана]

Damn I need to be part of that

[@davidtherwhanger6795]

DMPC Romance Story. Wow. Out of the countless sessions I have run and played in over many different systems; I have never once forced nor seen anyone forced to be romantic with any character or NPC. What this DM did was cringe worthy in and of itself. And then the DM called OP homophobic for not letting the DM control OP's character. Then went further by complaining that the MIn/ Maxer was misogynistic for BEATING THE CRAP out of DM's male DMPC. I'm gonna let Inigo Montoya respond to all this. Inigo Montoya, "I don't think the DM knows what those words mean."

[@ocinidolegna]

o nooo. when i saw the thumbnail i thought this would be a player saying that 😭 it being the dm feels worse when theyre the one controlling everything o lawd

[@DigiKat1]

😊

[@MyAramil]

I could see the romance thing being necessary to get a plot moving, and it would of course be the players who decide that(Character unwilling but still doing it, player fine with it)

[@rhiannonhamilton4427]

It's NEVER cool to force a relationship in game regardless or orientation. And the fact that the DM took control of a player character to fulfill her yaoi fanfic fetish is horrid! She had main character syndrome on top of that too with her obsession with mlm relationships

[@hellkitelord8319]

I have said to my DMs that i don't mind dying to my own dumb mistakes, but that another player's choice shouldn't kill the party. Unless it was one of those group dumb choices.

[@markfreenick]

Dump player can kill party but only if it is logical outcome of his choice like using grenade in fuel depot

[@valivali8104]

@@markfreenick even then it shouldn't be because GM made PC do it or player being role-playing terrorist aka trying to destroy others' fun.

[@realrealwarpet]

If a dm tried to force my barbarian to get into a gay relationship, he’s not gonna do it, and he IS gay. You can’t force romance, and my barb is still grieving his husband.

[@TheFatalcrest]

" but but *Taps dolls together* my shiiiipp" That DM, most definitely. XD absolutely weird behavior in any group is "You will love my DMPC"

[@ShitpostingJoJo]

That's the thing 💀 they don't want a natural, slow burn romance between two characters that just so happen to be guys. They want shitty, raunchy wattpad boy x boy fanfic to flick off to 🤦🏻😤

[@mysticspace3369]

That DM is definitely one of those women that obsessing over gay shipping like a 14 year old girl.

[@slagarcrue85]

I have obvious anwser to the girls in the second story tell the dm screw you i am bring my character to back to life. Also dm were through finished go find a new Audrey you spinless worm. As for paladin you get out of my sight you filthy cowardly little back stabbing selfish rat traitor before I got transformational nsfw on you my scale dragon self paddles to the point your butt so red you’ll look you got piss drunk and sat on top of a fire ant hive.

[@mrosskne]

romance has no place in a board game about dungeon crawls.

[@alarkhar]

About the first story... I had my share of intrusive and irritating DMPCs, but trying to force a gay romance on a straight character (or a straight romance on a gay character, for that matter) is something I haven't experienced yet. And I'm VERY thankful for that.

[@FlamesAndShadows]

I'm bad with conflict, so try to weasel out or gleefully monkeypaw that shit until they give up 😅

[@alanbear6505]

I was still in the closet at the time but I have had a GM try to force a straight relationship on me. Awkward! Also the set-up didn’t help. The party rescued her and she started to throw herself at each PC in turn but before she could finish the sentence she found a flaw that stopped her. (The best one: My hero…oh, you’re still in the bushes.). I got the girl by being the last possible option and the least repulsive one.

[@alarkhar]

@@alanbear6505 That is a good reason to play a kobold next time - I mean, they're cute, but they're three feet tall lizards.

[@aquaticcatfey]

​@alarkhar Kobolds, ant gnolls (little aardwolf gnolls) in _Pathfinder,_ at leat one ysoki (little rat folk) variant, and skittermanders (Stitch expys) in _Starfinder._ Cute, make good social characters, unlikely to be viewed as "sexy."

[@alarkhar]

@@aquaticcatfey But skittermanders are extra huggable - as long as you don't make the mistake of hugging a skitterling, because he'll try to eat you.

[@Bloodhound2211]

Sadly I’ve seen something like the last story happen. Any DM that activity punishes the party for a stupid move some one else makes is ALWAYS deliberate. My advice to OP is call them both out and really press the screws to them until they agree to retcon the entire thing. If they don’t OP should should point out how it will only be fair if the paladin loses his powers until their PC is revived since he got 2 of his party killed while he failed to slay the dragon. An action that easily breaks almost every paladin oath there is.

[@JupitersTears]

There's an update and it's a happy ending

[@BlueTressym]

@@JupitersTears Gods be praised! Do you happen to have a link?

[@JupitersTears]

@kithansford936 One second it was new on reddit when I commented

[@Evoker23-lx8mb]

@@JupitersTearsstill waiting on the link 8 months later

[@JupitersTears]

@Evoker23-lx8mb sorry I was looking for it and a family emergency came up so I lost it and forgot about it. Sadly the emergency lead to a lot of issues that are still being sorted through today

[@TOPACE31]

Story 1: No matter the orientation, enforcing romantic relationships with characters is never any bueno. Honestly, if DM had theie NPC killed my character's aunt/mentor figure turned evil, insulted my character and said my character's heart ached seeing DMPC looking dejected I'd spin that around and declare my undying hatred towards said NPC and claim my heart ached because I was reminded of how he cruely killed someone he cherished and looked up to for many years. The outcome would've probably been the same though. Story 2: To quote Sniper from TF2. "That's some shonky businesses right there." But it's still salvageable, being a necromancer there are many ways a DM can come up with a contingency plan to bring her back. As for that paladin, it's up to what he has to say to decides whether he gets booted or not.

[@destroyerinazuma96]

I had a party with gay characters but they chose to date in between-sessions rp so it was entirely their business. GMs shouldn't play matchmaker between pcs and pcs and npcs.

[@informitas0117]

"Isn't 'no bueno' also a kind of bueno?" -That DM

[@victormagoco9752]

I agree story 2’s main problem seems to be that the DM got too much into the narrative and forgot to ask for consent, it’s not like he railroaded the players and he seems to have had good ideas for plot progression, but the “logical conclusion” of everyone’s actions was the permadeath of an innocent player, he should have asked if that was okay or just dumbed down the dragon, if he really wanted to punish the Paladin that’s the character he should have killed

[@propheinx2250]

Story 2 sounds like the GM was trying to get the players to sort out their problem player themselves, personally. It sounds like that scene from Full Metal Jacket where the drill sergeant found the donut hidden in the one soldier's foot locker and made the soldier eat it while all the other soldiers had to do push-ups. Later that night, all the other soldiers gave the one soldier a blanket party. It appears to me that the GM was trying to get the players to "blanket party" the problem player.

[@AvatAR42420]

The DM in the first story should just write some fan fiction. She wanted the players to be willing participants in her male/male love story/power fantasy. The players wanted to actually play as the heroes and play their characters. They wanted different things out of the experience, but the DM is unlikely to find willing participants if she paints it as a normal D&D game. If she wants specifically a scene partner for romantic/errotic RP, some people are into that, so she should just be honest about what she wants. Though with how controlling she seemed to be, she might not even be happy with that.

[@mostlyharmfulll2103]

"I ripped your character's head off to teach another player a lesson." What an ass.

[@SharmClucas]

I looked it up and story 2 had an update. They talked it out, everyone apologized for getting too heated and doing dumb things, the deaths are being retconned, and they agreed to have a way to pause the game if things were getting too emotionally wound up to prevent something similar in the future.

[@caiodavi7279]

The op and minmaxer vs yandere conflict was one of the best histories that i seen

[@andrewparsons2391]

Story 1: DM should just write a book.... of yaoi Story 2: "Someone made a stupid mistake that disregards consequences to others? I'll punish someone else entirely; that will surely make the problem change their ways! I mean, you'd have to be stupid, and uncaring of the consequences towards others not to realize that you did something wrong!"

[@WolforNuva]

I can see the logic behind story 2 DM's thinking. The paladin had 2 precious long term adventuring companions lives at risk, one of them they were romantically engaged with. By all means it should have made the paladin hesitate at least, but the player didn't seem to stop focusing on "kill the evil" to even think about what was at risk, both in game and out of it. I've seen a couple of villains threaten the lives of PC's in games I've played in and usually just not wanting another player to be killed is enough to make us give into their demands, at least long enough to get the targeted PC(s) out of danger. To be clear I do still think the DM handled it wrong; they could have killed OP's character without a beheading, and if they really needed a more permanent death to demonstrate that there are consequences it should have been the paladin who paid the price.

[@ZombieDireWolf]

I've run DMPCs when we were a two PC party. i followed 2 rules: 1. they can't get the final kill on anything that isn't a 1hp hoard of enemies. 2. any language she understood would be as if she acting as a translator between the PCs. the DMPC was a tank healer, but the enemies would counter spell or silvery barbs the party AND DMPC from time to time

[@TheFatalcrest]

My rules are about the same, but I make them to fit into the team roles we are missing. And the party at any time can say "Hey we're in town, we want to bring along this other NPC" and the DMPC will then go "Oh? Alright, ill stick around and do my own thing, if you got anything you need me to do, I'll be over there."

[@jeremyrichard2722]

Well typically my GM PCs tend to be on the same level as the PCs but less optimized and typically specialized along the direction of what they are supposed to be doing for the party. The current group I have right now is 1E Pathfinder actually, and we're on like our 4th campaign together. The first game I ran was the AP "Skull and Shackles" and the PC who became captain was a rogue, but she was always busy elsewhere doing stuff when the party was split up and always needed a rogue for something. The captain also wanted a love interest to I turned a female prisoner she rescued into her "Cabin Girl" who was her love interest and protege who was picking locks and stuff when the main rogue was otherwise busy for the rest of the party, and while she did help with some regular stuff, she was pretty much a reduced version of the main rogue. Outside of that campaign though the party gained a massive aversion to stealth skills and lock picking, so I wound up creating another plucky girl rogue for a home brew tian-xia campaign I ran next. In the current campaign the entire party decided nobody wanted to be a front liner OR a rogue (lol), and I was getting tired of that whole archetype so I made this weird summoner who had some rogue type skills who could use their eidolon on the front lines along with another PC's animal companion to slow stuff down while everyone did the ranged thing. More or less the same thing, but again pretty much filling the roles the party needed.... as a general rule I do not tend to create GM PCs at the time I'm first setting up the adventure, they tend to be made after the PCs to fill in gaps if needed, or where I think the party will most need some backup. When I don't have a GMPC (not always appropriate) I do sometimes find it useful to have something that can prod things along, not "voice the GM" but to deal with things stone walling or grinding to a halt. I'm fond of extremely sarcastic talking swords who fancy themselves lore masters despite being centuries out of date. :)

[@TheFatalcrest]

@@jeremyrichard2722 xD I like that sword idea, I'll have to use that.

[@StSubZero]

I once had someone who was gay aggressively flirt with me even after expressing my disinterest, I remember even telling him (not word for word) "Look dude, if a woman was acting this way to you, you'd call her homophobic for invalidating your sexuality. You refusing to let me validate mine is heterophobic." Which lead to him guilt tripping and manipulation instead of him leaving me be, making him the poster child of the very origin of the term "homoPHOBIA", where people are worried someone will take their orientation too far. But that being said, actual homophobia isn't something I think is good, and the DM in the first story using the word so casually as a buzzword when not getting her way causes people not to take actual homophobia seriously. A protip to anyone on either side of this situation: No means no. No matter who your recipient is.

[@RockR277]

If at any point you feel the need to take away your players' agency, you're not playing dnd, you're reading your next book to a captive audience.

[@ganmerlad]

Yaoi was the thing that jumped into my mind too, once it was clear the DM was female. The DM was trying to make the male player into a puppet and took over the game to play out her sexual/relationship fantasies by coercion and force. So many kinds of wrong. I'd be really angry too, but I wouldn't have stayed that long. There was nothing to 'talk over' with the DM once they showed how manipulative, controlling and self-involved they were. They didn't just overstep boundries, they blew them up. It goes beyond the game when it's that serious. And again for story two, we have a DM who overstepped boundaries and used a player (his GF), ostensibly to teach another character a lesson. (jealousy definitely might have been the actual reason) Either way, what right did the DM/BF have to summarily destroy his GF's 5 year old character like it was nothing? None. Should the GF hold it against the BF in real life. Yes. He destroyed something important to her without a second thought. Doesn't matter that it was an imaginary character, it's the same as if he threw out the vase her grandmother left her because he didn't like the way it looked, or ruined her favorite sweater because he used it to polish his car, or destroyed anything else she really liked/cared about because he simply didn't care how it would affect her. Again, it's something that goes beyond the game and should be recognized as such. It affected her as a person. As for the paladin...he's just run-of-the-mill dickhead player.

[@WolforNuva]

I'd agree that the 2nd story DM handled their GF's death wrong, but I really don't think it's analogous to throwing out a partner's possession. By playing the game the player has agreed to that chance that some situation might leave them dead, maybe even unrecoverably so (unless during a session 0 they all agreed that PC's are immortal, which doesn't sound like it). It only becomes analogous if the DM went out of their way to kill her PC, and given that the paladin was the one causing the conflict here I can't agree that's the case. I do however think that the DM shouldn't have made her death the only unrevivifiable one there, that's where they overstepped. If anyone should have been beheaded it should have been the paladin who was the one who needed to learn that actions have consequences.

[@ChaosCounseling]

Doges reaction to the bs from the creepy Dm in the first story was priceless

[@hallofguns8174]

I would suggest the nacromancer suddenly wake up later while they were transporting her body, with her head still detached. Perhaps so old ritual she thought she failed years ago was completed with her death, and she is now dullahan like, removable head and all. Sounds like it could be fun.

[@mirrortherorrim]

About the last story: What I'd do in this situation? Ask the girlfriend if she'd like to change the character race to a dullahan, then, if she agrees, make her rise from the dead as a dullahan (there are dullahans as a fan-made race, saw stats for it somewhere). Then I'd ask the paladin player if he was staying or leaving. If he decided to stay, I would - if he is anything other than an Evil or Chaotic oath of Vengeance paladin - make him an Oathbreaker. Then continue the game from there. Alternatively, just retcon the beheading, and resurrect her character normally, then make the dragon the paladin's personal nemesis, get him to take human form, carouse with the party, employ the party to do shenanigans that benefit him, learn more about paladin specifically, then replay the fight but with someone who the paladin really cares about in place of the girlfriend's character.

[@Thunderstar7]

Took me almost a year to realize some dog with a pointy hat had messaged me on Reddit asking permission to share a horror story

[@phobiawitch835]

That second story hits a bit close to home for me. The worst table I was ever part of was a PF1E dm’s. He was absolutely brutal with deaths, and we never got to RP them out. The worst of them were in his main campaign. One of which was Instant Death magic that was just broken for our level (especially since I was the one who did the reviving and was killed with it, also leaving the party with only a paladin for future healing). But the other two? Again, my character, beheaded by a single sword strike after the DM broke out the most broken homebrew magic item on an npc he had the party fighting, which forced us on an entire side quest to get him back in his original body after he was forced to be Reincarnated and rolled into a flipping Merfolk thanks to homebrew rules again, in a LAND BASED CAMPAIGN. The other was the dwarf monk who was taken down by ogres just a few sessions after the Instant Death spell was uced on my cleric, and his body was literally torn to SHREDS. We had to actively stitch his body back into one piece with like a dc30 Heal check (something I only achieved after revival penalties tha ks to the help of both a wizard and another character), otherwise he would be effectively dead again the instant he was revived. Unless the player and DM have an agreement on death, mutilation of a PC’s body should never happen, especially if the group does have Revivify. Impose other challenges to make death more real, not that. It just ruins the fun and leaves players bitter. I still am, and it has been almost 2 years since my deaths at that table, with me having left the table in November of 2021, a few weeks or couple months after it all happened

[@PrinceLuigii]

Currently I"m trying to help a friend get out of a toxic relationship with her DnD party. They all gaslight her and down play her concerns badly. The 2 and I that are not part of this group are super angry at these 4 people who are really hurting our friend emotionally, shame we are all online or we would have had some choice words to say to them for harming our friend

[@dragonmasterknight7]

It sounds your friend has trouble with confrontations. It's a valid issue but can also be the of many DnD issues. At least according to what I've seen in stories. The best decision is to cut off the campaign cold turkey and then, with you and the other 2 peoples help, draft up a response as to why they shut it down. This way they have support if this toxic group gets belligerent with them.

[@PrinceLuigii]

@@dragonmasterknight7 It's hard to cut people out that you have known for some years, but I agree about cutting that toxicity off and moving on. Recently I showed her to my DnD group, they are all knew but also more on the mature side when it comes to running games. They actually think things out and listen to each other. I hope things go better in time with my friend. She doesn't need more stress in her life

[@dragonmasterknight7]

@@PrinceLuigii Agreed. I don't have the most experience in DnD outside of 2 one-shots with close friends. But I HAVE been getting into RPG horror stories on KZbin. And if they've taught me anything it's to believe in the credo of "No Dnd is better than bad DnD".

[@arandomthingintheabyss2062]

It kind of funny how the dm plan (the gay shipping dm)endlessly backfired

[@patjacksonpodium]

Oh god. That last story was absolutely brutal. If I were OP, personally my demands would be 1) Paladin apologies 2) Retcon my beheading. At the very least, DM could EASILY make it so I got the same treatment as the other player. Why *they* got punished more than the other guy makes no sense. If not, as hard as it would be to do, I'm gone. This is a friendship destroyer here. I hope OP got their apology.

[@Thundarr100]

Or, here’s a wild thought . . . TAKE THE BODY TO A CLERIC WHO IS POWERFUL ENOUGH TO CAST RESURRECTION!!!!!! Revivify isn’t the ONLY spell that brings the dead back to life you know. Resurrection has been a cleric spell since at least Basic D&D Red Box Edition. Sure it’s more expensive and you might have to barter taking on a quest on behalf of the cleric who brings the character back to life, but it is an option. AND YOUR CHARACTERS HEAD DOES NOT HAVE TO BE ATTACHED FOR THE SPELL TO WORK!!!! Your character doesn’t even have to have FLESH! He could be nothing but a skeleton and Resurrection will bring him back to life with all of his missing bits and pieces restored!

[@patjacksonpodium]

​@@Thundarr100 Considering that wasn't even brought up in the story I figured it wasn't an option, for whatever reason. Based on the story, it sure seemed permanent, at least at that time. It's not really the point I'm making either. Killing the characters like that is still a douchebag thing to do, especially if it was to "teach a lesson," which, clearly didn't land in the first place.

[@braedenmclean5304]

“Oh no the *EVIL VINDICTIVE DRAGON THAT KNOWS WE CAN REVIVIFY PEOPLE* killed the pallys love interest in a way that they can’t easily revive her…it’s almost like black dragons are super evil and cruel or something.

[@TheBadDesperado]

@@patjacksonpodium is everyone missing that the DM said the party will figure out a way to "fix" her character later?

[@paulman34340]

That DM in the last story is dumb! You PUNISH the offender if you want to teach them a lesson! You do not punish those ASSOCIATED with the offender because then they learn NOTHING because their not "negatively impacted" it's simple and easy! But the DM picked the option they assumed would get "least resistance" and instead played themselves and got OTHERS who aren't the problem rightfully mad and the Problem Player...."didn't learn a DAMN thing!" So Congrats on being a DUMBASS DM! (Was it THAT hard to cause the Dragon to CRIPPLE the Paladin that gimps his character! A way to make him HAVE NO CHOICE but to handle his weakened character till the party can fix him up to teach him a lesson! Looking at Paladin's response! Something tells me the DM is a coward who chose to PUNISH OP and the other player because he assumed they'd be more easier to handle being mad or not get mad at all then Paladin who will likely throw a hissy fit and tantrum like a child for suffering consequences that NEGATIVELY effect him. As in No death of Love Interest, just him being made weaker and near useless because he's a brash idiot! The only correct response is for BOTH the DM AND Paladin to apologize! Paladin FORCED to if need be as it's clear he won't do so and is hiding behind "lawful stupid" to justify his problem behavior that he knows has no weight! But their called Problem Players for a reason! They KNOW their being dicks! They just choose to pretend they see nothing wrong! And no one is missing that fact! DM is making OP suffer the consequences of having to "Wait it out to fix the issue" when she did nothing wrong! While Paladin can move forward learning NOTHING other then quickly defending his own stupidity because DM will never make HIS CHARACTER suffer personal consequences (personal as in "it should have been him killed and having to "Wait it out" till the party "fixes it" not OP!) This is punishing OP in some vain belief the Paladin is the one punished!

[@FranTheNerd]

personally for the second one, I would set up a plot in which they can get that character back pretty much immediately but have it involve some kind of test. A repeat of the same kind of scenario the paladin made the choice in, and have it so if he acts selfishly again this time the death would be his in exchange for op's character. If he passes, then give them some way to bring back op's character with a lesson learned

[@andrewbyrne2173]

Story 2. I think Doge is correct about the DM not being cool with the in game. At the very least he should have taken OP aside before killing her off, to see if she was cool with his not at all spur of the moment “plans”. Also I’m curious about how the paladin and necromancer became love interests. Surely their careers would clash?

[@gharanohen9460]

I guess it depends on the subclass, Oathbreaker feels like they'd want to be besties with their local Necromancer

[@jfangm]

Character Death The best way forward would be to talk to BF about bringing her character back as a campaign arc. The arc could center around the Paladin dealing with the consequences of his actions.

[@vodostar9134]

For the beheaded necromancer situation, that seems like a perfect Gandalf moment. Bring her back as a demigod of death (with level-appropriate powers of course). And if the DM hadn't been comfortable with RP relationship, he should ask his gf (OOC) to RP the resurrected character as "celebate due to becoming a god" or something.

[@sirrex9982]

if a DM starts telling me how MY character thinks and feels etc i will just pack up and leave the table i wont tolerate that shit

[@druid7575]

As a dm who uses a dmpc, even though my dmpc is 2 lvl higher, i only use him for support when the players need help. He has heals, and can make potions for really cheap, and if need be he can tank hits so the party has breathing room

[@theofficerfactory2625]

Story 1: Does the DM know what an aunt is? Dm is one of those toxic shipper types and has a fetish that she tried to force onto OP. Wait, mystoganistic or however the hell you spell it? I thought Paladin was a woman? Or was min/maxer a dude playing a woman? Story 2: DM; WTH?!?! He was the one who killed Op's character in a way that would of not left OP's necromancer return just to teach Paladin a lesson, WTH!?!?! As a still new DM; I would of still killed the necromancer but not in such a brutal way that would of offered no chance of a return. if anything; the bolt missed and since Paladin had shown no concern for his party; would of flamed him and had the dragon eat him or crush him.

[@fred_derf]

+theofficerfactory2625, writes _"Story 2: DM; WTH?!?! He was the one who killed Op's character in a way that would of not left OP's necromancer return just to teach Paladin a lesson, WTH!?!?!"_ Then leaves Paladin unconscious but alive when it could easily have killed them. If the DM wanted to teach Paladin a lesson, they should have had the Black Dragon leave the OP unconscious and rip the Paladin's head off. BTW: DM's shouldn't be "teaching their players a lesson", this isn't school.

[@Some_Idiot_on_the_Internet]

If a player is being disruptive and countering the rest of the parties wishes, you kill that player's character, not somebody else's. You are totally correct in your suspicion, the DM was being jealous that his girlfriend's imaginary character was romantically involved with somebody else's imaginary character.

[@ShadowsOfEssence]

It does suck the way she was beheaded. But the DM did say the party would find a way to bring her back. Heck there could be an entire plot thread around it. They need to talk to DM and group first. Also, why did the dragon not finish them off? I get that the party would have been upset, but logically makes no sense. Whelp, I finished off the people who really wanted to kill me. I mean they are breathing and one of them is still conscious, but I'm sure they will succumb to their wounds and not come after me at a later point in time.

[@DragonbornMike-ym2er]

True, though unless they did a time jump or something, OP would still be forced to either sit some games out or pick up another character, which isn't gonna feel good consider it's was another play who caused this mess.

[@TowerArcanaCrow]

Can i just gush about how damn infectious Doges laugh was in story 1 lol

[@Machamp-ps7wx]

I’ve really gotten into DND horror story channels over the past year and lucky has convinced me to sub to you, well done

[@Svartalf14]

this first story reminds of the campaign where I fled from my evil mentor (I was a non evil warlock/necromancer) and how the DM made my beloved kid sister the necromancer's next apprentice, and she killed our parents, I had to destroy their zombie remains and basically she became the main villainess of the campaign. This should not have happened, because of backstory reasons why I had to be apprenticed to a necomancer, while the rest of the family should have been isolated from that....

[@сільськаприбахана]

It would make sense for your evil mentor to NOT keep his promise, but DM still should've consulted about possibility🥲

[@lark9018]

I love how often I'm early to these because this is just my morning routine now.

[@ClipperHorizon]

When the DM starts breaking the rules to make their DMPC look cool, it's time to leave the table.

[@fred_derf]

When the DM brings a DMPC (that is more powerful than any of the PCs) to the table it's time to leave.

[@thebigidea9659]

"I feel targeted." Yeah no shit Sherlock. You nearly caused a tpk and got two of your party members killed. What a typical paladin move to make.

[@TigerW0lf]

It's not a typical Paladin move. It's a typical IDIOT move.

[@thedungeondelver]

Bullshit. Any idiot at a table can cause that to happen. I see it more often out of Chaotic Neutral LOLRANDOM thieves than ever Paladins.

[@Antsaboy94]

Last story: OP didn't specify whether she lives with her boyfriend, but if she did, I'm guessing _someone_ slept on the couch that night.

[@phillee427]

2 big thumbs up for the OP and power gamer for taking out the DMPC in that first story. Trying to force a romance on your player is cringe. No matter what you're sexual orientation forced relations is not something you should do in game or irl. And for the GM to go to Op's. Friend to bad mouth him was also a scumbag move. No, there aren't too sad to every story. There was only the truth and the lie. And anything that isn't the truth is the lie.

[@Dumbdog124]

For the paladin and dragon story I would use it to introduce a next character and plot arc. Have the necromancer be unable to be traditionally revived by the NPC friend and instead they co-opt it, begrudgingly, with some of the necromancer's notes. Have their head become a paper mache skull made out of their spell book pages and have it be that the paladin has lost their powers as a paladin until the necromancer is fully restored. The necromancer gets to keep playing the character, odm can push the plot along by stating there's a temple or holy site at the location of their next plot hook area, and the paladin learns that he relies on his party. If the paladin kicks up a fuss and tries to push back about it have their source of power cut a deal where they can get their powers back but only within a certain range of necromancer, and if necromancer takes damage, the paladin also takes half of that damage. This was the *paladin's* mistake and if they still complain about it then they need to 1. Not play a paladin and 2. Not be a part of the group.

[@iank472]

WotC may have to put the paragraph "DMs control all NPCs in their game. They do NOT EVER control the players characters outside of effects like Dominate." at the start of the Dungeon Master's Guide.

[@chillrat0964]

The fact that when Minimaxer and OP joke about maybe having romance between their characters and DM goes batshit

[@l0stndamned]

I hadn't thought of the jealousy angle in the second stroy until you mentioned it, but it does kinda make sense. DM in the first comes across as a gender-flipped version of the incel DMs who get creepily letchy towards PCs.

[@DrTimeSCPPsych]

As a dm I live by this code: the only one to truly suffer from a players stupid actions, is the player making the stupid action. What ops biyfriend did (just offing her charactee unceremoniously) because if paladins stupidity is just ridiculous.

[@marybdrake1472]

What a freaking reactionary. That first DM was just a disaster.

[@dusanslavnic4727]

The first story was wild, good to see the DM's character get blasted at the end. As for the second one, I would have left that Paladin to his fate if he was going to pursue such a stupid idea regardless of how long we had been travelling together. If he won't listen to reason then we might as well limit the potential damage by leaving him to fail on his own.

[@fred_derf]

100%

[@justinpotna1766]

new vid! and i see it only 12 minutes after it was uploaded! its great that i wake up just as Doge uploads most days.

[@starbird3939]

Story 2 This is the “everyone has to do homework because one kid is an asshole”. It is a terrible punishment that yields only resentment. The fact the Op is not allowed to be revived is especially shitty-the DM basically fridged OP’s character for a dumbass. The only way I would continue playing is if the death was retconned and either Op’s character did not die or could be revived, and the Paladin and DM apologized to OP

[@fred_derf]

There is definitely some real-world issue going on with the DM, as others have said he may not be handling his girlfriend being in an in-character relationship with another guy well. My recommendation for the OP is to take this as a red flag and dump him (unless he gets help with his issue).

[@dionnejinn3789]

Forcing someone to roleplay romance with anyone is never ok. No matter their orientation. And for the DM to negate player agency to force the issue, very not cool...

[@HectorCotto97]

That first story pissed me off a bit, the DM tried to force a relationship on someone who clearly wasn't interested and then when confronted about it had the nerve to pull the homophobia card. Also that other player was a good friend for supporting OP throughout that situation.

[@YuyuHakurei]

You raped me in game! XD

[@annieandelsieofarendelle3294]

This story would be a legitimately good story about a cleric and a minmaxer slowly falling in love, but a Yandere rogue had fallen for the cleric as well and is trying to stop him from having any other romantic pursuits.

[@Goldrex434]

I remember there was a video (I know this is a late comment for this suggestion but) where you infact can revive someone with a missing head (pretty similar thing this guy did for an example in his video) and all you need to do is use the mending spell to mend the head back and then use revivify to revive them fully.

[@GundamAngelicDevil]

The palasqueek knew they messed up which is why they left the call so damn quick. Not admitting fault in the death of their allies due to their recklessness is counter paladin and unless that's part of their Oath, they should lose their powers.

[@maxoublue1]

If I was told to rol a wisdom save because I'm attacking someone who "is my lover" despite the fact that I never had my character never show any interest like in the first story, I would just respond with "OK, so I'm going to roll to hit".

[@propheinx2250]

That second story sounded a bit like Full Metal Jacket. You punish everyone around the person who fucked up, so that the fuckup's piers will sort 'em out for you.

[@vampirepooka]

so as one who DM quite often the way i would fix/rectify the second story with the pc death is to pull the dead character player into a private chat and ask them to do a side thing without anyone knowing and if anything let the player join in with a “new” character just to throw off the other players. have the necromancer go on a underworld adventure to reclaim their life and gain a bit of power in doing so. once everything is setup for the necromancer to return, have that be like a epic battle when all is lost and the “new” character is killed in and everyone feels like it will be the end just so the necromancer shifts the fight into something of a come back. this way the necromancer has a story if they choose. this way lessons are learned and op character still lives

[@RequiemWraith]

I have a DMPC that I specifically use for games starting at level 1. They're a high level Life Cleric, but old and with failing eyesight, so they never engage in combat and can't really assist the party with any puzzles or difficulties. However, they can heal like a mofo! Helps keep level 1 & 2 parties from getting curb stomped 😅 They will always part ways from the party when they arrive at a town around level 3.

[@fred_derf]

You could accomplish the same effect by having your DMPC simply be an NPC who gifts them with healing potions.

[@Michael-fd1gx]

Sounds like the DM of the first story was hetero-phobic.

[@RLHooper]

Always love your videos, lucky is just so awesome!

[@silverwind3766]

2nd DM has an easy way to backpedal and tie it in with the story. The Draco Lich. Just have the Necromancer get caught up with it's soul and respawn either at it's Phylactery or where they died. Could even throw in a bond between the two just for fun story drama.

[@vortega472]

Look at the Lucky, standing like a Hooman. So cute.

[@hellcat64]

near the end of the 2nd story. the pole arm combo. al i can think of is, BURY THE LIGHT DEEP WITHIN!!

[@rator1st]

As a Dm, while you have unlimited cosmic power over your game, there is one thing that you DO NOT have control over, and that is PCs. You cannot take control of them, you cannot say what they can or can't be, only the player and they alone have that knowledge. A DMPC is not inherently bad in of itself, but never have them be priority over the PCs. I get what the DM was trying to do, but killing OPs character in a way that revivify doesn’t work is not exactly a good idea, it winds up feeling like OP was getting punished more than Paladin was, DM could have at least had the NPC bring a resurrection scroll to revive OP, and had the Paladin foot the bill for such an expensive service.

[@destroyerinazuma96]

Reminds me of another one - effeminate dude gets into a dnd game. A pc played by a girl at the table starts romancing his female character. Later freaks out about dude's pc romancing a guy NPC. Tells dude he should date her irl and that his character would've been so much better in a lesbian relationship with hers. I think dude just left the game since that girl couldn't be reasoned with.

[@benpearson49]

18:35 Talk about Lawful Stupid. The DM gave multiple chances, and he still chose durp.

[@Fire-Manz]

That last one sort of hits close to home because I am possibly dm'ing later in the year. I did thought of this scenario and I would leave it be if it got to this point at all (with a bunch of dice rolls from everyone, me included). Now thinking, I would have everyone roll for an extra save since they wanted no part in this but made paladin roll a much more brutal save. I would have probably taken a limb at most from the other PCs.

[@philiprussell308]

Dang, couldn't resist Lucky's charms and subscribed immediately 😅❤

[@frederikklotzskov9673]

8:30 what... what was that laugh back there Doge?

[@reniefuwa]

For story 2, we had a similar thing happen in a campaign, where a TPK was averted by making it a shared hallucination brought about by consumption of moonshine. I would note, though, that the existence of said moonshine had already been established earlier, as well as its consumption by (some) characters (retroconned to all characters). So, it wasn't a complete a$$-pull

[@VikingBoyBilly]

This is the one CG voice puppet I actually like. What's all this blue text and talking between star fox doggy?

[@Mulkar1985]

And this is why I only play with friends and offline only. When it's people I've known for years, this crap doesn't happen.

[@denisebragg5030]

Not even two minutes in and lucky has made me wanna like and sub.

[@starbird3939]

Story 1 … So DM wants to act out a yaoi fan fiction. And by yaoi fan fiction, I mean the shitty old kind that treated every woman like stupid bitches and men/men is the true ship.

[@Aros-pr2xr]

In the second story I would have had the Paladin floored alongside any party members who joined his attack with the fight opening on the dragon saying something like “YOU DARE TO BETRAY OUR TRUCE IN MY OWN HOME” to kinda drive home how in the wrong the Paladin was… then if the Paladin is to be saved it’s basically by the remaining party trying to convince the dragon to pardon him with high success being full sparing, medium success a revivifieable death, and total failure a perma death for the Paladin

[@Kyerishrose]

My DM is smart about his NPC. He is extremely powerful but he usually only shows up to help. He is often away because of other things. The NPC is also extremely likable at least to me. The story is still about us, but we are new so it’s nice to have someone powerful to help

[@andersbodving4510]

Just hearing about the DMPC gave me a very bad feeling. And things just went from bad to worse

[@deepseastonecore3017]

Thanks 4 all the hard work.

[@brandonshelp4682]

Allow the necromancer to rise as a revenant, to haunt the paladin.

[@realdragon]

Doge just gave up and started laughing

[@RellTell]

I used a dmpc once. Poor fellow ended up being caught scamming PC and others. PC ended up blackmailing him into indentured servitude to her. He almost died 3 times. That was the first attempt to introduce my wife to dnd.

[@katahdin5300]

These stories make me sooooo glad I screen my players and only play with adults (mentally).

[@whensomethingcriesagain]

It's weird how the DM only beheaded OPs character and yet didn't even kill the paladin who caused the problem, let alone in a way that can't be revivified. Like, you'd think the dragon would've eaten the paladin outright just out of its spiteful nature, and never would just leave and let this stupid bastard keep breathing. Anyway this is why I hate paladin players and have a hardline no-exceptions ban on these kinds of wannabe crusaders. If you wanna be a paladin at my table, you need to either play an actually compassionate and level headed character, or you need to play one of the morally gray subclasses, but just going around on a "smite the evildoers" fantasy is completely off the table in my games because I'm absolutely sick of this kind of player

[@alanbear6505]

I understand wanting the paladin to have consequences for his actions, but he wasn’t the one who paid the price.

[@LordScreeech]

As the DM, i would talk with her and offer some options to move foward, it was a bad call on his part and definitely was not the way to handle the situation. But, OP did mention that her character is a necromancer of sorts and that they were facing a dracolitch. There is the posibility that: A) OP's character had a contingency plan due to its innate fear of Dead, and with a conversation with the DM there is a possibility to bring her back up as an undead character through a "Dead mans switch" device of sorts. B) The dracolitch resurrects her on porpuse because it believes that her research will lead it to further empower itself. but for some reason OP is capable of resisting the Dracolitches control, but still can hear and feel his commands and her Will is tested. I as the DM would use this connection to give OP further insight on the Dragolitch's plan and the ability to track him using her connection with it to finally discover it's hideout that leads to a final confrontation where OP finally gets rid of his control after the party destroys the monster and she regains control of own her soul once more.

[@liamdk9625]

Necromancers life-force was sucked up by the dragon when her head was removed. She is now a headless revanent ( we head not attached) and has a mission to go retrieve her life force from the dragon. Also now can end her romantic relationship with paladin and vent her frustrations out in game towards the paladin for getting her killed and not the player.

[@boyvol6428]

First one. Well, If DM wanted to rp a great love moment with an OP character including his DMPC - he've got one. Except his DMNPc became a villain of this one.

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

Definitely don't see the point in or out of character for the dragon to do that. Obviously neither the PC nor the player behind them give a flying fuck what happens to everyone else. Clearly the black dragon is winning the fight hands down. Why have it run away and spite-kill 2 players who didn't want to fight? Logically, none of it makes sense. I agree with Doge that it seems like it makes more sense for a different, unspoken reason to be behind this. One has to wonder though why it has taken 5 years for them to realize this player is uncooperative.

[@kantankeroz1305]

Since the Paladin fired on the dragon after the threat I would probably have the dragon whisper to the Necromancer about how they were being betrayed and then knock them to the ground. I would then consider making the paladin fallen.