Homophobic Dungeon Master Kicks Players From DnD | r/rpghorrorstories

[@kou7191]

Honestly, it's not even the homophobia what got me, but that he had the audacity to try to openly snatch op's gf while at it. That's just pathetic.

[@davidtherwhanger6795]

Yeah. I was thinking that was Kyle's end goal all along.

[@saldiven2009]

You gotta wonder why people like that think this is a course of action that would work....

[@davidtherwhanger6795]

@@saldiven2009 It's been my experience that logic and reason are not their strengths.

[@pippo17173]

Ya Like it's planned. Like it's one thing to be homophobic, it's another to show he is just a incel wanting a catch.

[@idigamstudios7463]

@@davidtherwhanger6795 Usually these people treat real life like a dating sim. Basically 'undermine current bf by this many points flirt with girl for this many points win sex.'

[@Doodle1776]

Seriously, the party pissed the elves off, thought that they could walk right into their land without issue, setup no guards, and then got attacked. They made these very poor choices that made this situation and the elves acted intelligently by attacking at the best opportunity. It's how any sensible person would act.

[@kevindavis4456]

A party full of casters and no one had Leomund's tiny hut? Guess the spell wasn't edgy enough for a bunch of anime protagonists.

[@Doodle1776]

@@kevindavis4456 it's like being in the Bloods, picking fights with the Crypts, then waltzing deep into Bloods territory, sleeping in the park, and thinking everything will be fine.

[@starhalv2427]

​@@kevindavis4456 Literally my favourite wizard spell. Well, perhaps a close second after Tasha's Mind Whip.

[@Thedragonlover95]

2nd story, It's not just the homophobia that got me by surprise. Rather it was the fact that this guy thinks he could steal away OP's GF

[@vegeta002]

I wonder if he ever questioned _why_ an alleged gay man was in a relationship with a woman to begin with? He seems to be missing a few crucial bits of the puzzle.

[@Thedragonlover95]

@@vegeta002 Yup, very strange

[@shadiafifi54]

​@@vegeta002he either doesn't care and found an excuse, or he's so insecure in his masculinity that anything that smacks of homosexuality sets him off, and then tried to get a GF in the bargain.

[@lukaswithakay]

First story definitely happened. That player is gonna need some ice for that burn.

[@shadiafifi54]

He also needs to stop taking his stupid pills, because those are a lot of dumb decisions in a row.

[@MortusVanDerHell]

That's what I love about being an adventurer: natural selection kicks in and takes the mourderhobos, thatguys and recklessly arrogant idiots out of the party so quickly. ^^

[@saldiven2009]

Third story: I'll admit that I'm a bit of an old school style GM, but I've never been the kind of GM that wants to go ridiculously easy on a party that is making patently stupid decisions. I firmly believe that the rest of the world should react in a fashion that makes sense relative to the nature of the world, the personalities of the NPC's involved, and the actions of the party. The rest of the world shouldn't all become stupid because the party chooses to take stupid actions. This destroys immersion and makes the world less believable.

[@CooperAATE]

"But it's not fun if they just die!" ...then don't put yourself in instant-death scenarios, duh. Why would you camp there, ya dinguses?

[@Cezili]

Story 3, who's at fault necessarily? Not the DM. The players acting murderhobo and then going to the most sacrosanct place for the Elves was a guarantee of a TPK, given their party comp. He could've put some warnings in, sure. But it's also totally in line with Elves, as traditionally depicted, to be the sneaky type - and if murdering you in your sleep is more effective than a drawn out battle, in a forest, with Fireball-happy wizards that can cause potential damage to the Sacred Tree? Yeah... Quit whining about DMs when they play around the group.

[@davidtherwhanger6795]

I agree with you. Any player with experience would have seen that coming. I have never played in a party, nor ran a game, where the players didn't take security into consideration. To not post a watch, lookout, guard, what ever you want to call it, in hostile territory while everyone went to sleep? They were definitely asking for it. Normally I would give players hints and chances. But this group had already had that with near TPK's against the elves already. And it was time to let their bad ideas have consequences. I will bet that at least one of the players will never NOT post a guard again.

[@Cezili]

@@davidtherwhanger6795 Exactly. From the perspective of the Elves, it just makes too much sense - off them quietly and without much commotion and collateral damage. I remember hearing once on a KZbin video, I can't remember the source, but paraphrasing was: "If the "bad guys" are playing to win, they're going to do whatever they can to survive, and defeat the party." Ambushes, deception tactics, attacks while you're asleep or in camp... It's all in line for what someone who -wants- you dead, and is putting thought into it would do. Rather than generic mustache-twirling enemy which exists only for XP.

[@Derginator]

I feel like any strategy is overlooked as not something players should consider much with the assumption being ‘in not a trained tactician’ but then the saving strategy would have been take guard shifts at night.

[@blackdemonknight]

Story 2: A prime example of how a DM can self-sabotage their own game

[@zacharysieg2305]

Literally peak homophobia, that guy.

[@blackdemonknight]

@@zacharysieg2305 True that.

[@RiveroftheWither]

I've seen guys like this before, desperate types that want to be "Group alpha" and think being Mr. Steal-your-girl and chasing out "competition" is the way to prove their superior masculinity. Trust me, I've been "the girl" before, even if op and the friend didn't do the in game romance, dm would have found another way to show off his "alpha-ness".

[@davidtherwhanger6795]

I kinda wonder if Kyle didn't go all in on homophobia as a neckbeard way to get the GF? Don't know for sure. Just the vibe I am getting that that was Kyle's real end goal.

[@zacharysieg2305]

@@davidtherwhanger6795 I’d buy that. Lotta internet “Nice Guys” think they can steel ya gorl.

[@StellaDraco]

Letter writing is probably the best option if that guy blocked them everywhere, but that cracked me up because I had a a game crash and burn once where the group broke apart, two of the players got divorced, and my ex went on a long rant threatening to "write me a strongly worded letter." That letter never arrived, by the way, but the note that they wrote their GM a letter just reminded me and I was very amused.

[@Spadeaswell]

You’re sounding a lot better Doge, but don’t forget to take it easy!

[@Kairos_Akuma]

Honestly for Story #2 I dont think it was even about them "Beeing Gay". Like "Kyle" KNEW OP had a Girlfriend, so he was Bi at best on that logic. I think "Kyle" just wanted to try and break OP and his GF up so he can "score" her.

[@TigerW0lf]

You think that guy understood logic?😅

[@akmi1931]

Homophobes don’t believe in Bisexuality

[@vampire9545]

​@@TigerW0lfrelationships are logical

[@TigerW0lf]

@@vampire9545 But that DM was not

[@vegeta002]

I doubt he ever questioned _why_ an alleged gay man was in a relationship with a woman to begin with.

[@thejadondaviscommentaries1613]

The best part of waking up is DnD Doge in your cup

[@santosic]

For that second story, would have been the perfect opportunity for a Surprise round since they WERE ambushed while sleeping. In that first round of being unable to do anything, they get pretty banged up right from the get go, and have to frantically try to survive for the rest of the combat. With a horrific start like that, the TPK is still likely to happen, but at least the party was 1) given a chance to get out of it and 2) felt the repercussions of their recklessness. Definitely would have been how I'd have handled that situation. Though I would have thrown in a lot more "Are you sure?"s beforehand so they can't get mad at me for not warning them lol.

[@randybutternubs4647]

Sounds to me like the anti gay DM was just trying to use it as leverage to try and steal a player's GF. A possible ulterior motive but still pretty low.

[@hellbreakfast1590]

HIS EAR GO FLOPPIN IN THE FIRST FEW SECONDS :D

[@broke_af_games9661]

Yiiiikes Kyle was seriously repressing some feelings. Doth protest too much

[@Theokal3]

Soooo putting aside the horrifying homophobia... why are so many people under the belief that they can just convince people to ditch their other half and go with them? Like when in the history of relationship has that ever worked?

[@solarchos4352]

0:30 - AAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!! It's a wild, rampaging Micro-Panther! CRIKEY, SHE'S A KILLAH~!!

[@vortega472]

Nipsy - as always - is so entertaining. I feel bad for the guy in the Party TPK story (the third) - I would chalk it up to inexperience and poor communication with the group. Thanks Doge, loving the new schedule.

[@khankorpofficial]

Based, we dont want them ruining our community like they did everywhere else

[@beepybopbap]

Not every gay person is a fucking weirdo. The fuckwads ruined the lgbt as well, lets fight back against the weirdos

[@optillian4182]

Cringe.

[@knottheory79220]

7:56 lol so these two guys are screwing around probably being hilarious because they're secure and the DM is not

[@metaridley2911]

4:14 - Eh, not really a burn more than it's a stating of facts. 4:25 - Now _that's_ a burn.

[@FluffyChaosSheep]

I once had a DM freak out when a friend and I start dating, he accused us of being gay because we both girls. I said I am lesbian so what, whole party quit at his homophobia lol

[@oblivionx2000]

The first guy in the first story was a hoser eh

[@bazsato6323]

First time commenting I think, but I'm gonna go through and like all the videos I've listened to while at work, I bring your Channel up when I have my work phone out, I haven't signed in on that phone, but I just wanna day I live the videos, and I sincerely wish you the best. I hope you get better soon dodge and I, for one, will be waiting every Tuesday and thrusday!

[@whitenekos]

1st story: have to love it when a troll receives karma from the dice gods. 2nd story: beta male 3rd story: party was warned they're recklessness has consequences though instead of instant death should have just done percentile damage to each individual and then start the combat. 4th story dm wasn't a dm but a player as well immediate redflag for a winner take all attitude.

[@RandomTrinidadian]

Time for a dose of Doge

[@andrwblood9162]

Yeah, that last story's dm probably stop caring about the players and let the intrusive thoughts win. They might not of had any intention of starting a new campaign together, so repercussions were low from a jerk's point of view.

[@thehowlinggamer5784]

Never ceases to amaze me about the sheer and utter stidity of homophobic people...

[@jayro6397]

Yeah, I try to avoid "stidity" whenever possible.

[@StrewthStoatPirate]

Nipsy: Oh no! My bananaaaa

[@andrwblood9162]

Yeet the Phobes

[@drayiskewl]

The homophobia stories are always so fucking funny. How delusional are some people

[@funkyfunkobunko]

Did anyone else read the thumbnail in Bokugo’s voice?

[@REfan2002]

Nipsey, I missed you!

[@tobiasschmid9216]

channel gives me cat. me subscribe. both happy.

[@JacobL228]

Not much to say here. Please see the second half of my comment from the previous video. The part about the kittens.

[@vampire9545]

I love ttrpg queer stories they're a absurd n to me that's the most hilarious thing. Idk I agree with the tpk rain of arrows, MAYBE everyone has 1hp now. it sounded like the party was 100% at fault and they knew better

[@StarRightStarTight]

Healthy Dogge

[@korrinthian]

I bet the DM Kyle was the gay one LOL

[@plutoisarealplanet7407]

maybe he couldn't be around gays because whenever he is, he thinks gay thoughts lmao

[@marybdrake1472]

Effects like Feeblemind, Maze, and Dominate Person don't make encounters scary or challenging. They make for extremely cheap, and unfair encounters that are not worth engaging in. Such effects should be use only very rarely if at all.

[@DellikkilleD]

lmfao. wow, arent you entitled.

[@TigerW0lf]

Not entirely true, the unexpectables had a scenario where 2 players were under the effect of Dominate Person and were trying to separate and pick off the party one by one, espionage style. it was hella tense and fun to watch

[@unluckyone1655]

That last story, im sorry but the DM had no room to complain about the session taking too long after making a dungeon and giving the lol betrayer player the reign to use spells that basically gives the players character sheet to the DM, and said spells take some time to break, not to mention giving a stupid high DC save against said spells. Then you make a god like cool bbeg, make the "super cool" DMPC that likely had some house rule spells/abilities betray the party and basically try to to an old school Vecna fight but dumber. No wonder the players were basically done with all this.

[@ganmerlad]

With "Sleeping TPK", it sounds like the DM was mostly at fault for how things went. He allowed everyone to make the same kind of character so there wasn't enough balance in the party, then he took away the party balance he had to create with NPCs without hints or explanations of what to do about it, then didn't do much to tell the players they were being stupid going off to the middle of enemy territory to destroy something the enemy would protect in force. It sounds like the players were clueless about the entire game and just muddling their way through. I wouldn't be surprised if the players were actually relieved that they all suddenly died so they could do something else. For the last story where the group was playing the last two games of the campaign, it sounds like the DM was trying to kill everyone. "Everyone died, campaign over".

[@conwaysquest6961]

I love that you used bakugou i the thumbnail. He would be a homophobe.

[@dylanhelvetios2300]

I always knew Bokugo was secretly homophobic. Good for him good for him.

[@chrispambo1539]

He took a glance at the fandom...

[@patchmoulton5438]

@@chrispambo1539 To be fair, that fandom is one of the worst.

[@JangoAF]

Im not really a cat person

[@andreacallegari7137]

For the one of the party party of frail spellcasters: what's the harm in playing it out? The DM apparently rolled to hit and damage and did not take the "Rocks fall, everybody dies" approach, why wouldn't he ask for initiative after a turn of surprise, as it is normal to do? Spellcasters have many tools to fight or to flee. Let's say the situation is reversed, and the party surprises an enemy camp. The DM would still ask for initiative, to roll for damage etc.

[@davidtherwhanger6795]

That depends on if there are survivors after the initial attack. Initiative is done, with disadvantage on the side getting attacked IMHO, after the first Surprise round is done. If everyone is already dead on that side, no need for initiative.

[@andreacallegari7137]

@@davidtherwhanger6795 I was just surprised the DM switched to narration that fast. If I was in his campaign, I would be asking for the math that lead to my death. I'm not a fan of your take on the Surprise Round rulings. Getting hit with a surprise round AND getting disadvantage on initiative checks pretty much guarantees the death of the party. They would be prone and unable to take any actions, while their enemies are all fully awake, fully equipped and probably with some buffs cast upon them. Having some of the enemies take 2 full turns before being able to act is overkill. I once DMd a fight where the PCs were betrayed by their allies. 4 level 3 PCs vs 4 CR 1/2 monsters (2 Thugs and 2 Scouts), a Medium encounter. The enemies didn't even have a full surprise round, they were just holding the Attack action. The players rolled really well and I rolled like shit, and still, one of the PCs briefly went down to 0 HP before getting healed. Action economy is king in 5e, and even the most unassuming monster can destroy a party with 2 full rounds of preparations

[@vampire9545]

Let's assume you're correct - soon casters sleeping, roll with advantage, rain of arrows could literally be 10d8 for all members or let's say dread ambusher shots could easy be 20d8

[@davidtherwhanger6795]

@@andreacallegari7137 Not two full rounds. The chance for two full rounds. And this party was asleep, with no protection or early warning measures in place. In hostile territory that they knew they had potentially warned the occupants they were coming. Or should have known after asking an elf where the Sacred Tree was. If the party had been awake, or even one of them. It would have been different. They would have gotten Passive Perception checks to see if something was off to them. They would have been able possibly not have disadvantage on initiative as they would not be waking up as well as trying to figure out they were under attack from their guard or alarm warning them as soon as the attack started and not after the arrows had already made it to target. They decided to sleep, all of them, unprotected in hostile territory. I could not then act as if they were awake and actively looking for danger then can I? I normally give players warnings and breaks. But here they already had two near TPK's, going into a situation with even fewer numbers than those previous encounters, and did nothing to protect themselves. They had no sense of danger what so ever. Expecting to just murder hobo everything without any consequence for their actions. It was high time they learned you can't just kill everything and nothing bad will ever happen to you.

[@schwarzerritter5724]

"Should I establish to the new player what my campaign is about? No, every normal person knows something like that. Now he is attacking a random guard. Should I tell him not to do that? No, better let him do it and then get angry at him for guessing wrong what the campaign is about. Now he ran into a yeti. Should I tell him Yeti's are much stronger in my game than in others and that I made him play a dead weight character? Oh, look. The Yeti killed him; what an asshole." I guess I need to be a veteran DM for that to make sense to me.

[@ericiwrin6394]

found the salty player

[@schwarzerritter5724]

@@ericiwrin6394 So you don't see anything wrong with it?

[@Inhaledcorn]

Imagine being homophobic in DnD, LMAO

[@GarkKahn]

8:15 Whenever someone describes one of its "strenghts" in such a ridiculous way it's clearly a communist ruby blood red flag about trying to look like something you're not, so i'm actually believing THAT person is the actual homosexual if there's one

[@vegetin01]

Never heard of a homophobic DND player before. That’s wild.

[@TigerW0lf]

That better be sarcasm 🙄

[@richardduska1558]

7:34 Ok I'm just going to say this. Having romance between player characters is super akward. I'm sure there are people who could pull it off but I certainly wouldn't be able to.

[@patjacksonpodium]

First Story - While the problem player did indeed suck really bad and I have no sympathy for them at all, I think there could be a lesson learned for the GM here. "You don't decide there's a tree there, that's MY job." May I suggest that...maybe it's not? While I doubt that it would work out in this case with this player, an amazing trick I've learned playing the FFG Star Wars RPG (a much more open ended game than D&D traditionally is) is to allow the players to dictate what happens - to an extent. If they want something to be there, why not? Maybe that will lead to something interesting happening. You just have to roll with it amd improvise. Plus it makes the players 100% more invested in the story, and it gives you a better idea of what they want out of the game. Invested players are happy players, and happy players make for happy GMs. Of course, you need good players too to pull this off. Obviously. But it's good advice and has really helped me a lot.

[@Xylarxcode]

I'd put a slightly different spin on that, personally. As a DM, you should strive to never directly say: 'No, you cannot do that'. Unless the request is outrageous or ridiculous. In this case, I would have said: 'As you scout the area for a suitable tree to chop down, you notice there are no suitable candidates. While there are a few small, skinny trees, based on your existing experience with lumberjacking and carpenting, it takes you but a glance to realize that none of these would be fit to build a table out of.' If they insist to keep looking for one, you can ever so slightly bend the rules a little and go: 'As you keep searching for a tree, there is a gnawing insistence at the back of your mind that reminds you that you came here for a different, more pressing reason. Perhaps this search for a suitable tree to make a table out of can wait until another time.' If they still insist after that, then you've already given them two chances to turn back and re-focus and you're within your rights to say: 'No, you can't do that. There's no fucking tree. Do something else or leave.'

[@TigerW0lf]

Nah, that guy didn't deserve that level of courtesy. He was a shit starter from day 1. He killed a guard with no provocation within the first minute of his introduction. Dumbass deserves no respect because he gives none in return.

[@kou7191]

You're not wrong, improvising and filling the gaps can be fun, but I think the point was more like you can't contradict what a dm has already stated, and he said there was no vegetation, so a tree can't just magically appear.

[@patjacksonpodium]

@@kou7191 Of course not. This situation would not warrant a tree being there, especially if I had already made a ruling on it. (unless...I dunno...maybe a mysterious tree being in the middle of somewhere where it has no right to be might be interesting...hmmm...) But my original point still stands, I think. The other comment said it well, "Never explicitly say you can't do that." And naturally everyone's style will be very different. I used to be super rigid in my GMing, and it gave me a lot of problems. Then when I went far more loose and relaxed it made a big difference. So I'm just saying it worked for me.

[@ChazMcRich1]

Sleeping TPK DM is a wiener. Let the players kill all the elves.