Do Bad Fandoms Ruin Cartoons?

[@bigant9625]

Moral of the Story: Every Fandom has a good and bad side. Just go experience the media for yourself first before going on Social Media to see what everybody else has to say about it.

[@froppygurl07]

👏

[@NecroticFarron]

And if you don't want to express your tastes in certain medias because of the actions of others hindering our enjoyment, then you are a -fucking coward- person who needs to not let the bad apples of the batch sour the tastes you would otherwise enjoy. Set your own boundaries and preferably be mindful of others, engage with the aspects that you like and actively set bars to limit the ones you don't. You don't have to make every single thing you dislike, or even just disagree with a stupid crusade. Some people might enjoy that, but you're probably not that fun to hang out with if all you do is shit on others with no nuance or humour.

[@HuzayefIbre]

I’ve been doing the fucking opposite every time idk why

[@nevaehhamilton3493]

Unfortunately, if the bad outweighs the good, then there should be absolutely no reason to stay in that fandom. Such as was the case with Steven Universe. I left the fandom permanently in favor of the Unikitty fandom, and it was the best decision I think I have ever made in my life. Steven Universe was a great show, but the fandom was fucking godawful. Even after choosing to ignore the bad parts, my breaking point came when a Steven Universe fan artist on Instagram turned out to be a neo-Nazi, or a "social nationalist" as she called herself. It made me sick to the core, and that anger will never leave me until I die. There is no point in staying in the fandom anymore, as there's just too many terrible people on any social media platform. I'm *DONE* with Steven Universe. And to anyone stuck in a bad fandom, I urge you to get out while you still can. It is not worth staying.

[@tedtheodore5715]

Every fandom has a good and bad side, HOWEVER, if the bad side makes up fucking 99% of it like I've experienced myself, I think it's safe to say that fandom is toxic and deserves no support 👍

[@katoka143]

This video has once again convinced me that me not being on twitter is an extremely good decision and that it makes my life infinitely more peaceful and happy

[@madkoala2130]

Amen brother (all tho i am out of touch with current social media platforms and every time i hear about something new next day i find really good reason to not engage with it).

[@ianbadeaux7774]

All types of social media in general.

[@lk_3099]

Either that or just ignore all drama accounts. As I'm starting to find social media platforms to promote myself I've found a great way to not get drama in my face. Also helps that I'm not often on there outside of looking for fanart. I don't know if I'm putting too much effort into pushing away drama accounts, but I always found the twitter bashing tiring (before Musk took over, at this point I find it fair).

[@silashurd3597]

You’re learning

[@chanbear2005]

I fucking wish Twitter would shut down, just to get it through their THICK, EMPTY SKULLS THAT NOBODY WANTS TO DEAL WITH THEIR SHIT!! *sighs*....Sorry for ranting there, but you guys get the point.

[@CreamTheEverythingFixer]

Bad fandoms can really drive away new people from a piece of media. That not only lessens the longevity of the media, but also coerces creators to appeal to the loud and toxic fandom. Couldn't criticise Rick and Morty season 3 without being hit with 'low iq' or some other nonsense.

[@jammygamer8961]

And because of fans like that Rick and Morty has just continued to get worse sadly

[@logancracraftgaming7124]

DANTDM DOG 🐶 IS IN THE TRASH BECAUSE I MAKE BANGER VIDEOS

[@CreamTheEverythingFixer]

@@jammygamer8961 Yeah those fans thinking all the incest jokes are peak humour.

[@Ebh55.]

No fandom is bad or good.

[@alexadamns8115]

I think they were joking....

[@Phobie_2000]

As much as I love Helluva Boss, the fandom is so toxic towards any of the incredibly valid criticisms surrounding the show, especially Season 2.

[@brodypl5804]

Yep I agree. Like all I see is 50% actually nice people in the fandom and 50% people whining if anyone gives criticism.

[@ivoneo2806]

I,m a helluva boss fan and I don't act like that and Well there are people who aren't that in the fandom In my opinion

[@ItsMeLarky]

I agree with this! I've seen many comments expressing their thoughts and even giving some very valid criticisms, only for the replies to be filled with "well how about you make your own show" "you couldn't even do this yourself!" "You're just hating" etc. Frankly it's just disappointing how the fandom can be so toxic at times.. :(

[@Glitxzy69420]

I was going to finish the rest of Helluva Boss S2, but due to the Fandom being toxic, I’m just never touching it again, and just watch the KZbin Series I like, such as BFDI, Eddsworld, and more.

[@ivoneo2806]

@@brodypl5804 that can be said for the commentary community in my opinion

[@TheMedicatedArtist]

Someone on Tumblr made a great post about how the size of a fandom correlates to how toxic it could be. I saw it years ago, but it boiled down to this: If a fandom consists of 100 active fans, but only 10% are toxic, then the fandom is relatively positive. However, the larger a fandom becomes, the more unavoidable it’s toxic fans are. Imagine a fandom with tens of millions of fans…

[@logancracraftgaming7124]

DANTDM DOG 🐶 IS IN THE TRASH BECAUSE I MAKE BANGER VIDEOS

[@alicornfunoggg36]

Basically, anime fans (mostly action shounen)

[@catscanhavelittleasalami]

it doesn't help that toxic fans tend to be the most vocal ones (stupid people lack self awareness), so they appear bigger than they are. The minority is often the loudest.

[@BrightWulph]

Not to mention it gets super bad when you have people joining with the aim of pissing people off and causing as much negative discourse as possible, they then stick around and fan the flames because they want to enjoy the fire they started. They they bow tf out leaving behind a horrible mess, that causes people to leave and people to become, for lack of a better word, overprotective and toxic themselves.

[@HK47_115]

Oh my God, this somehow explains so much. Especially for social media. I'm so tired of people saying it's just the bad apples and the rest of the good community is the silent majority. If the majority is silent, why would I want to be a part of the fandom if the only ones to communicate with are the toxic people? The type of responses I would get from people always sounded so dumb to me cuz it never made any sense. I know they don't mean it literally, but still. Why would I want to be part of the fandom if the only ones I can communicate with and share my love and appreciation for a piece of property with is the toxic assholes, then why would I want to be a part of it in the first? Edit: the amount of typos I am now realizing this had irritates me. I am getting really really really really really really fucking fed up with autocorrect bullshit. I would say up to here, but nobody's going to know we're here is.

[@quicksilveryt4000]

God, as much as I love Murder Drones and love seeing bigger youtubers make videos about it, the fandom needs to calm the fuck down- I'm sorry that happened to you.

[@CarrotSpunk.]

Love murder drones and the angsty teen drama murder robots is peak especially N we love a guy who is nice to the point I forgot he's a robot programmed to make corpse houses. It's a good show but it is sad that the fandom is making him not want to review it.

[@logancracraftgaming7124]

DANTDM DOG 🐶 IS IN THE TRASH BECAUSE I MAKE BANGER VIDEOS

[@rappingbeaniedog347]

@@logancracraftgaming7124 can you please for the love of all that is sane, stop spamming this stupid ass comment

[@zoranadraws]

The fandom really does need to relax... The shipping side of the fandom especially, it's ridiculous. So many stupid "N is a p*d0" comments on anything that could resemble Nuzi ship art, or Nuzi shippers going ballistic because someone happens to not like their ship... I like Nuzi myself but find other ships pretty cute too. Some may not be my cup of tea, but as long as they're not shipping weird things I have no problems with it.

[@solomonoldfield895]

I and we hope that some day he gets around which murder drones with out harassment that is let hope he will do it not like now but some day when he will ready and let hope to him if he accepts or refuse to see it that all right to him let see what future has to him let if he decides to get to it or not in time will tell

[@Awesomemay]

people who constantly complain about the fandom of something become more annoying than the fandom

[@fanaticalistic]

So true

[@eatatjoes6751]

This too.

[@m0istur]

You're not wrong actually

[@detomnz2024]

Twitter when FNF

[@catscanhavelittleasalami]

rarely, but it does happen

[@idolomantises]

Out of all the fandom toxicity, I think Helluva Boss/Hazbin’s is the most painful to witness when you consider how many people dropped off the show out of exhaustion for the fandom or creator’s behavior. I had a lot of friends who were big on both shows (especially HB) slowly fall out of love until quitting entirely because the rampant bullying was too much. I’m not a fan of the show, but I don’t like telling my friends what to like, so seeing them bullied by fans (or even the crew themselves) and having that leave a lasting impact sucks. It’s one of the few instances where I think the “loud minority” argument doesn’t work here, because this is behavior that’s enabled and normalized, not discouraged.

[@phoenixflamegames1]

I think Steven Universe is still much worse, simply because people told artists to kill themselves because they got the height ''wrong''. Fun fact: They have no canon height. They were drawn based on the other characters in the frame like: pearl is higher than amethyst etc. (not into that show, but the fact that I found that out and the fandom didnt is special)

[@tedtheodore5715]

The "lOuD mInOrItY" arguement never works lmfao, people who use that non-arguement are part of the fucking problem, mfs harass someone into committing suicide and then go "every fandom has a bad side guys!!!" when their godawful and dangerous fandom's rep plummets, it's a fucking shield they use to protect their precious cesspit fandom

[@frikitiki5403]

What did the creator do?

[@nightly145]

In the case of HB/HH’s fanbases, I think it’s the first time in a fandom where it’s the loud majority that’s toxic while the small minority isn’t.

[@CarrotSpunk.]

​@@frikitiki5403nothing.

[@alcoholicgoat]

Bad fans can cause a feedback loop of the showrunners inflating their egos and ruining a show either out of spite or caving to fanservice

[@allosaurusanimations]

For example: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (I know it’s not a cartoon, but it’s a perfect example of ruining a franchise to appease the fan base)

[@zemox2534]

​@allosaurusanimations No one asked for that dumpster fire. It just sounds like you are gaslighting fans to make them think it us their fault! If anyone is to blame it is Disney 4 fucking up SW in the first place!

[@PelinalDidNothingWrong]

Oh so what happened to STVTFOE?

[@logancracraftgaming7124]

DANTDM DOG 🐶 IS IN THE TRASH BECAUSE I MAKE BANGER VIDEOS

[@catscanhavelittleasalami]

So Star VS the forces of Evil with its rabid scarco fans.

[@IDK-oh3kb]

At this point I feel like helluva boss fans saw what Viv said about criticism and took it many steps too far into justifying their reactions to other people's criticism

[@ianbadeaux7774]

"We all make mistakes in the heat of passion, Jimbo"

[@JustAnOldStone]

A Toxic Fanbase cuts both ways. It creates a barrier of entry for new people finding out about it, scaring them away with their behavior. But it can also Streisand Effect itself, getting the show even more attention *because* of the fanbase's behavior. But I can speak on the first because, as a caveboy, I watched Steven Universe for "Lady Sing Song Make Brain Happy". But then when I wanted to get into talking about my enjoyment of the music with other people, looking at how the fanbase treated even the *slightest* difference of opinion made me quit and then subsequently outright and baselessly hate the show and the entire community along with it before divorcing myself from it entirely.

[@DrawciaGleam02]

"Lady Sing Song Make Brain Happy" LMAO! Never thought of that one! I saw the show as "lesbians freedom fighters" (Sonic SATAM reference)

[@JustAnOldStone]

@@DrawciaGleam02 I am but a simple creature.

[@gregvs.theworld451]

I'm seeing a lot of people say fandoms ruined a work for them, and that feeling is valid, but I'm also wondering if more people should just get into the habit of watching a work, and not engaging with fans online about it if it's a known problem the fanbase has a bunch of unhinged headasses in it. I knoe discussing a piece of media with likeminded people can be comforting and fun, so maybe to that end we need to collectively make a bigger push to create online spaces where harassment and bullying aren't tolerated, with clear rules and swift, no exceptions bans if some people can't behave.

[@JustAnOldStone]

@@gregvs.theworld451 What you say is true, but how can you fault someone for really liking a thing, finding out that *other people* like that thing and that there's a possibility of making new friends or just enjoying a casual conversation of said thing??

[@97spartan]

Never thought about it but that is a big thing for me, being able to chit chat about stuff in my fav shows. When I know I can’t do that without some bs it takes away a special part about media, I love enjoying things with other people

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

I'd say it depends on how bad the fandom is in proportion to how bad the writing is. Superb writing often redeems a work even if the fandom is awful. But even just one single notably bad episode (often is the finale either of the show or a season), combined with bad fandom equals ruin.

[@logancracraftgaming7124]

DANTDM DOG 🐶 IS IN THE TRASH BECAUSE I MAKE BANGER VIDEOS

[@alexadamns8115]

Don't you just want ai to take over everything?

[@aquapyro1]

It doesn't help that the cartoon community often shares a hive mind when it comes to shows. The overpraise of Gravity Falls, only focusing on Cartoon Network in 2010's, the constant attention given to shows like TTG and Spongebob.

[@christopherbennett5858]

And it’s usually adventure fantasy with the only real outliers being Loud House and Total drama. Then again, the latter only pops up occasionally and is more in the lines of actual reality show fanbases half the time. Plus, the 2010’s was when Twitter kicked off and that had people being able to communicate with showrunners directly. Perhaps that’s one reason.

[@jayceallen6530]

I still think the ttg blasting is the most ridiculous thing for me because I’ve seen so many people act like its the worst thing they’ve ever watched or something, hell I think the 03 series is overpraised a little. TTG doesn’t take itself that seriously, it has a couple bad episodes and is overall hit or miss but I never got the vitriol towards it

[@christopherbennett5858]

@@jayceallen6530 unfortunately, people misremember Teen Titans as serious when the tone was usually more humorous. Also, the whole idea that the show pulled a SpongeBob and was filling up timeslots

[@kameronjones7139]

​@jayceallen6530 Honestly, I just found it really cringy as a kid. I didn't like it compared to other stuff they had before it. It also probably wouldn't have been as bad if they didn't constantly show it

[@moonwarrior3342]

Yep, that was pretty much when the cartoon community was hijacking of what was acceptable to them like Gravity Falls and Adventure Time for an example, while demonizing anything that wasn't some /co/umblr circle jerkfest.

[@renamon5658]

Every fandom has a toxic side

[@ivoneo2806]

Yea but they have a good side no matter what

[@bennittotheburrito9606]

@@ivoneo2806except furries

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

What If it's 100% cringe? No good or toxicity, just cringe.

[@jaycrews4034]

Fr some just show more than others 🤷‍♂️

[@rest1585]

Fax

[@Dragon-w7k9g]

My advice would be just watch what you love and ignore the fandom.

[@maddiemare5093]

As an example,I think Welcome Home’s fandom, as creative as it is, has defiantly spun the original intent of Welcome Home into something completely different from its source. After seeing works from fans and that from the official site, it really is jarring.

[@BoneMittens]

Which is really sad cause you can see the amount of love went into Welcome Home and saddens me more that people may stay away from it due to the toxic half of the fandom

[@inserisciunnome]

Wait, Welcome Home the ARG? What's up with its fandom? I haven't really been keeping tabs on that Project

[@maddiemare5093]

Nothing too outrageous like with most fandoms, it's just a nitpick of mine. More like flanderizations of the characters, which too be fair, we only knew so much at the time Welcome Home really popped off.@@inserisciunnome

[@BoneMittens]

@@inserisciunnome well Welcome Home has been around for at least a year or 2, and the fan base is a little eccentric with it. Can’t really explain it but there is a video going over how people in the fandom seem to be overstepping some boundaries when it comes to the characters, what they mean, and even the creator to some extent.

[@gregvs.theworld451]

I don't really see how the fandom can warp the work itself. Clown still has full creative control over the ARG and will make it their way. Just consume the work from the source and don't engage with the fandom.

[@widedoggystudio]

Every Cartoon with a big community will always have a bad side. But the sad thing is how people will hate the cartoon/movie call it "woke" or "cringe" only because they've seen only the fandom. Steven Universe and The Owl house for exemple, for me, they are amazing cartoons, but their fandom is very very gross. The same thing is even for Gravity falls and Adventure time, not only for i*cest, but even for the "sigma" boys always comparing them as Masterpiece, when they too have their missing points, No Cartoon and it's perfect. MHA is basically one anime RUINED by the fandom, I can't watch MHA without think about what the fandom did. It's just sad how people can ruin masterpiece.

[@garrettcooper58]

Ok, gravity falls definitely has some hiccups, but it is probably one of the best cartoons, along with avatar. Gravity falls is a more consistent show throughout, but the second half of avatar has some of the best moments in media history (uncle iroh’s scene makes me cry every time, no matter what, and I very rarely cry) Edit: I just went and watched the tale of iroh and promptly shed a tear. Mako’s voice acting was perfect when he sang leaves from the vine

[@Cory_Jad9024]

​@@garrettcooper58Both are top 5 or 10 best animated TV shows🤷🏽‍♂️

[@starwaves1631]

What did The Owl House fandom do?

[@lemon5000-tj6nv]

there was never inc*st in the adventure time fanbase tho?

[@Haphu15]

​@lemon5000-tj6nv I think they meant rule 34 of Finn x jake, not blood related but still, plus age difference

[@providence1517]

Will say this: the Helluva Boss/Hazbin Hotel fandom IS getting worse. Just in the weeks since this video, we had: A person say it's racist to criticize the pacing of Helluva Boss People calling others fatphobic for designing Mammon as thin (or not liking his design) A person calling others subhuman over leaked footage of Hazbin Hotel that amounts to five seconds An artist got harrassed over re-designs A person threatened to burn down A24/Prime if Hazbin fails A person made a 'joke' about shooting people who offers bad writing ideas to Vivziepop at a convention If you want to get into the shows, be my guest, but steer clear of the fandom, especially on Twitter

[@providence1517]

@Muscleman-bw4ql I don't remember the reasoning but it was rather stupid

[@mathisonchicetawn8445]

Don't forget how people were complaining that Beelzebub wasn't fat (because Gluttony).

[@trelltastic67]

Fucking yikes

[@highfivepaw]

I remember being 13 years old and showing my oc I made for inanimate insanity, which was a makeup brush who was paintbrush’s sister. Then some dude named sugarball or something (he was very popular in the object show community) suddenly drew my character being frozen along with the phrase “begone mary sue”. Needless to say I’ve never touched the object show community after that

[@notCinnamonroll]

So sorry about that experience! The 2010s were a weird time the osc

[@TwisterzX0_VIII]

as a person who was in the osc since like 2016, left it back in 2022 due to a lack of intrest. Yeah I agree lmao

[@dejus_e]

Osc’s usually not that bad

[@botbuster8841]

hey i know that sugar ball guy, i thought he wasn't too bad but i haven't really been around since

[@TheKillerMoth]

It's like the flip of a coin. On the one hand, Helluva Boss' community will go wild on you if you give slight criticism against the show. But on the other hand, some communities like the FNF community is the only thing keeping it alive.

[@gregvs.theworld451]

I definitely think FNF got over ambitious with it's promised stretch goals; now it's a bottle they can't uncork, but I can't lie when I say I hope by some miracle they pull off everything they promised. If the crazy bastards making FNF actually pull it off, I have a feeling we're in for one hell of a visual and symphonic experience that'll make the long wait more than worth it and rocket the whole game back into relevancy once it drops. I always root for indie developers to somehow pull through and create their over ambitious projects, because if they do and it's good we eat like kings when we get to consume the fruits of that labor, and of course I'm always happy to see someone's dreams completed and realized.

[@Juancr2006]

@@gregvs.theworld451 symphonic is not what i would say, but i agree

[@LurkingDoll]

One thing about helluva boss/habin hotel is that vivziepop is just as bad as the fandom. She literally made a ranty thread claiming that she could take criticism while also claiming the criticism was all either "Sh!t" or "Bigotry" which also messes with the reputation of the show. A show having a creator who behaves just like the fandom is just so fascinating to me, especially since this is negatively affecting the show.

[@twistedpurple8650]

do you mean like the droves of people who have lied about her? made accounts specifically to spread false information about her? those people who claimed to be ex employees that she had abused but then it turned out that half of them had never even worked for her? the people trying to cancel her over some cringe drawings she made when she was 19 and has apologised then and now for? the people sending her death threats and telling her to kill herself? that one indie animation team who rejected her teams donation of 5000 dollars to there show because one of their employees didn't like her, the fucking thousands of people constantly harassing her and her team over nothing and to then when she finally cracks under all that insane pressure and makes a single vent thread they all then quote tweet it with the ratatouille "gets criticised once fucking dies" 4 Chan meme? because I don't think its her fandom doing all those things to other people its the people who despise her who do it. and so understandably when one her said fans is scrolling and finds someone shiting on her for over nothing and they give no actual criticism just "shows le bad and show creator le bad" its not surprising that the fan isn't willing to give them a big anal kiss and say "pwease stop being mwean" because there tired of this shit happing constantly and they just want to watch a while yes flawed show that they like without having to put up with this constant nonsense!

[@iwillfalchonkickyourmom.5430]

@@twistedpurple8650 cope

[@twistedpurple8650]

@@iwillfalchonkickyourmom.5430 see what I mean

[@iwillfalchonkickyourmom.5430]

@@twistedpurple8650 also I want to know from you how vivziepops dick tastes

[@wren_.]

@@twistedpurple8650i ain’t reading allat

[@zosonte129]

Stop being part of a fandom and just be a fan, it isn't worth it. Problem solved. Also Lost Judgement is based, hope you recognize it for the masterpiece it is.

[@I_Exist557]

Ur right. Anyone can still be a fan and still not join any fandom,Like me for example I'm a pizza tower fan and I haven't joined the pizza tower fandom.

[@ArbitraryOutcome]

@@I_Exist557 I feel like the deal with Pizza Tower is that it's another case where people have what I assume is weird vendetta against the game and then fearmonger about how bad the fandom is, when the worst I've seen is just milking memes that stop being funny after a day or Minus8 sexualizing the toppings (which I feel has way more to do with Minus8 being an all-around awful human being and self-admitted pedophile). The whole "pizza tower gyatt ohio rizz" schtick seemed more to me like some attempt to gaslight people into thinking Pizza Tower fans are the most annoying people you'll ever meet.

[@CarrotSpunk.]

​@@ArbitraryOutcomeWait minus8 is a pedo when!? How!? WHERE!? HOW DID I NOT HEAR THIS!? also can I get some context? I'm shocked because his art was great I can't believe this has happened...

[@TheMilkIsBadRN]

As someone who's been harassed and stalked in a fandom at a very young age, i agree.

[@Ninjaananas]

That makes you part of the fandom. Just realize that the loud ones are usually a vocal minority.

[@THEMIMIK]

its funny how, fan bases for things like horror games and anolog horror, their community is completely full of memes and light hearted jokes. Then you go onto the fandoms for things like kids shows and cartoons, and search deep enough, you’ll find something thats extreamely…extreamely….gross.

[@ianbadeaux7774]

You say it if they don't do that type of shit.

[@doomchromee8648]

Have you ever heard of a thing called the Fnaf Fandom

[@presseagainidareyou4704]

@@doomchromee8648FNaF, despite how scary and violent it is, is absolutely for kids at this point. It makes perfect sense to me that there is such an insane fandom tied to it

[@wren_.]

the fear and hunger fandom is literally the nicest fandom i’ve ever come across. i genuinely don’t think i’ve ever had a single bad experience

[@Wohlfe]

I've noticed the same thing with music, like kpop fans can be absolutely bonkers but metal fans have always been super chill in my experience.

[@devden07]

Is it me or has his editing skills gotten better

[@SparklezAn]

each video is getting better and better istg

[@0Ploxx]

It’s just you

[@devden07]

I agree they are definitely getting better

[@Hugh77777]

Yeah

[@Zodiackiller202-]

He is getting better. 🤔

[@kerisaltchannel3817]

I hate when my favorite things have bad fandoms

[@Cubeytheawesome]

Same.

[@faultierheart1149]

One thing I noticed is that the darker the media is, the brighter the Fandom is.

[@somepony120]

And tbh that's fkin unreal 💀

[@namkia205]

Fr like I've met so many amazing and kind Berserk fans but most One Piece fans I've met were a nightmare and big weirdos especially a girl in my class who wrote child sanji x zeff smut on Wattpad 💀

[@fabr1cat0rgeneral94]

I remember when the Voltron reboot's fans got completely out of control to the point the VAs started fearing for their well-being. It is weird though how some fans just go completely over the edge while others are incredibly chill. There's got to be some kind of factor that determines which way they swing, it'd be really interesting to see someone try and ID it.

[@jddi1527]

Same

[@planofattack6830]

Part of the backlash on Netflix Voltron comes from paratextual elements. One thing that got people on tilt, was that *initially*, the VA for Shiro was under the impression that Shiro was somewhere in the same age as at *least* Keith, but then it turned out he was WAY older, and that was the first ship controversy. Second was that Shiro was depicted as gay, which is fine - but his lover back on Earth was killed. (Bury your gays). Third: VAs were interacting with fanart, and the Klance ship was very popular, but ultimately the showrunners didn't support Klance in the actual media. It was just the VAs appreciating the artworks and stories - so you can see how the conflation began

[@FrahdChikun]

Uhh... autism?

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

Wasn't the VA that Korean guy from The Walking Dead?

[@wren_.]

i think the reason this happens so often to cartoon fans, especially those who like kid-friendly cartoons, is because the cartoon itself allows them to almost age regress a bit. the cartoon, in a way, gives them (and maybe their inner child) a sort of “safe space”. this isn’t a bad thing necessarily, but it is something that’s simply impossible for the internet to provide. the internet is, almost by definition, everything. this means that it includes both the best and worst sides of humanity. take rule 34, for instance. it states that every character from every fandom, will, at some point, have NSFW content made of them. this isn’t a good or a bad thing, it’s just a consequence of how the internet works. however, a lot of those toxic fans simply can’t understand this. because these cartoons give fans that safe space they so desperately crave, the fans do everything in their power to “clean up” their safe space, especially online. and when something is perceived as “invading” that safe space, like r34 art or someone having a different headcanon, it’s treated as a personal violation. toxic fans completely misinterpret the point of the internet. the Internet is not a safe space for you or for anyone, it’s the collective thoughts, good and bad, of everyone who uses it. trying to purge any of the “bad thoughts” that you disagree with is a sisyphusian task.

[@Adam-gu2rz]

I will give the Steven Universe fandom a bone here. I think that the reason they are so insanely defensive about the show is because they associate some criticism it gets with homophobia. There are a lot of conservative losers who like to dunk on the show just because it is so supportive of the Lgbt community. A pitfall that some fans can fall into is that they perceive most if not all criticism as just homophobic jerks, which is simply not true. The same can also be said about Helluva Boss and Owl House. I think they have just set up their defenses towards jerks like that so much, to the point where they are being jerks to people who have honest criticisms. I'm not defending their behavior, I'm just trying to give an explanation to it.

[@garibaldibritann1240]

One word: gatekeeping

[@raheemaslam7363]

Sometimes fandoms even hate there own show for dumb reasons

[@ianbadeaux7774]

Self hate moment.

[@smcphee8499]

Miraculous ladybug

[@craigpeoples9883]

​@@smcphee8499Nah that show is a disaster in so many ways

[@josiahtheawkward6008]

I hate that some people don’t watch videos to hear other people’s opinions. They watch videos to hear their own opinions validated. And of course, if you watch all of these different reviews with that microscopic lens, you’re gonna get angry over the smallest things. If you know that someone has a different opinion on something like a TV show based on title or thumbnail, why are you watching it? Why do you care so much and act like it’s a personal attack against you if they don’t agree?? Just scroll, lmao. Edit: I do agree, a lot of these people do sound like children with unrestricted internet access. Also I love that the Murder Drones fans made a fake post about you and then go “no no please watch our show!” Lol. Lmao, even.

[@fanaticalistic]

I feel like The Owl House fandom is kinda bad myself, but I never hear anybody complaining about it. They hate on all ships that aren't cannon, even though the point of most fanwork is to make a new story using characters or settings of another.

[@howellaboutno9500]

I hate The Owl House fandom too. It’s basically a mental asylum for insecure, rejected teens and interactions with any of them kills my soul.

[@НяшкаОртодокс]

i don't like it for that and a few other reasons such as: -overhyping emity over every other character(even tho she is pretty basic) -the fact that it gets fans from both sides of toxicity spectrum(unlike she-ra who is hated by neckbeards almost universally, the owl house has some of who migrated from gravity falls fandom) -p do filea problem, huge. like I'm happy for you if you haven't seen it. obviously this show has more underage characters that look like kids than like my adventures with Superman or Rapunzel ets -and i hate how the show is like sacred and you can't say it's not perfect or you don't like how certain elements were executed, or what directions were taken, without getting sht for it

[@valentinkambushev4968]

Hell, sometimes even canon ships aren't safe. Hunter x Willow gets a lot of hate for not being gay.

[@Commenter839]

​@@valentinkambushev4968Weirdly enough, I tended to get dogpiled on when I said I disliked Hunter x Willow because it was rushed

[@bryanrodasmontoya3864]

your woke shows are trash today

[@averysmith9943]

I wish people could just like or dislike anything without stupid drama happening over it.

[@ohmygodtheykilledkenny4887]

The fact that every show I enjoy is given the worst reputation from it's fan base is almost poetic (Looking at you MLP, Steven Universe and Helluva Boss)

[@Leviathan99-h8l]

I feel you on this Cartoonshi as someone who liked Helluva Boss and even aware of its flaws and tried to ask people what they think on some of the flaws and gotten jabbed by their fanbases. I did had to distance myself from it again and possibly another show I might have to distance myself again due the it’s everlasting toxic fandom. Thanks your video as advice.

[@jackdreas4415]

The key is to get into a show AFTER it becomes popular. That way when you do post something about it so many people have moved into the next hit thing nobody will care about it. Basically become a reverse hipster.

[@DrawciaGleam02]

I thought something similar..... I think it also counts with critizing a show as well....

[@Juancr2006]

@@DrawciaGleam02 like the OW fans with the steam review thing?

[@Barakon]

As I have retorted to someone’s comment here; The smaller the fandom is, the quieter & smaller the toxic side seems to be, & vice versa. For example, The Rayman fandom appears to be quite small or at least unnoticed but it does have a section that makes some questionable peculiar fanart. It would have even had its own crazed up lol cow, if I hadn’t confronted myself & decided to change when I was 12. (Okay that was a joke please don’t scream @ me, I was just making a haha funni about the early days of that uh…person…)

[@LacieAnimations]

I used to be in the ROTTMNT (rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles) fandom, and oh my word the amount of drama that happens in that fandom is awful. For me it completely ruined the show. Anytime I see something relating to it, I just remember how much crap I had to deal with, while just trying to enjoy the show. (90% of the drama happened on Twitter/X, so.. it’s not surprising.)

[@Weirdos22146]

I love rottmnt but I'm never in the fandom I just casually enjoy it because it's good

[@Weirdos22146]

​@@Putrid_N_Stupidstay away from a fandom if you're not sure and just enjoy the show as it is

[@LacieAnimations]

@@Putrid_N_Stupid Enjoy the show, but DONT join the fandom. Seriously man.

[@LacieAnimations]

@@Weirdos22146 I made the mistake of joining the fandom 💀

[@Weirdos22146]

@@LacieAnimations you can still watch the show but the fandom no

[@ZeroZero86997]

Not entirely, but certainly can leave a awkward or bad taste, usually the series itself doesn’t get ruined for me but the fandom will look like a hodgepodge of good and the chipotle enema abyss, things can range depending on the series and people, 0 to FUCC NO real quick sometimes basically

[@HAXAD]

I was a Helluva Boss fan for 4 years until the show got considerably worse writing wise and when I expressed it publicly I was told to kill myself by SEVERAL fans and a person I thought was a friend. I've despised it ever since, I didn't hate it before the harassment, simply disliked it and wanted it to be better. But no, I'm never watching an episode unless it actually gets its shit together, I'm tired of watching it hoping "the next one could be better".

[@phoenixflamegames1]

The newest episode is really good tbh. Yeah it still has flaws (just characters happening to be somewhere at the same time, but that's kinda to be expected in cartoons sometimes), but it's much better than happy campers.

[@jammygamer8961]

@@phoenixflamegames1 Its only decent in my opinion. Like yea the animation is as usual great but again the plot while good in concept its poorly executed

[@mbaelstromos0002]

I just lost interest in the show because of how raunchy it got. It really felt like they were trying to emasculate Moxxie every chance they got, and I really liked him.

[@thesmallscout9810]

@@jammygamer8961What about the execution in particular do you think was poorly handled? I’m genuinely curious.

[@phoenixflamegames1]

@@jammygamer8961 You are entitled to your own opinion and I respect it. I just really think it was an fun watch with some nice information, voice acting and character development. And humor. Can't forget that. It was, in my humble opinion, at least the best season 2 episode so far. I just hope you have more fun with the next ones!

[@juandalepringle420]

While not a cartoon fandom, the Danganronpa fandom is why I never got into the games for years. I finally played the first game last year and now I'm a huge fan.

[@christopherbennett5858]

Yeah, I get why. Honestly, it’s just nice to see someone new enjoying it.

[@suddenlycrows]

I've been a fan since the old Something Awful screencap LP days so it's trippy seeing the odd community that's built up around it recently.

[@ArbitraryOutcome]

To be frank, I think Danganronpa had more problems in of itself than just a very bizarre community.

[@christopherbennett5858]

@@ArbitraryOutcome Yeah. There’s issues.

[@DrawciaGleam02]

@@ArbitraryOutcome Yeah, I mean the premise itself is pretty messed up, so I can see why there's a messy fandom. I've thought about making a Danganronpa story where the characters aren't permanently killed off. I thought instead the victims should be petrified or something. Bizarre, but I like my character development!

[@rbfloat]

This is a fantastic video. I went through something similar to you. I started talking negatively about Helluva Boss and Vivziepop. Before I knew it, people were trying to find out where I live all because I had a negative view on a cartoon. I was legit terrified. I love cartoons but the fandoms for them can be pretty dangerous.

[@SouthernGothicYT]

Bad fandoms have some genuinely negative impacts that span beyond the internet. I immediately think of Homestuck cosplayers ruining hotels and convention centers from body paint, my local cons banned carrying signs, and the straight up sexual harassment or physical fights over this stuff. I've lost friends over it!!

[@kingbash6466]

I don't think a product should be judged based on their fanbases, but I do notice that people will only apply that towards certain series. Like, I see tons of posts talking about the "Death of Cringe Culture" when discussing stuff like SU and FNAF, yet I've seen those same people say "Danganronpa bad" or "Genshit Midpact" a second later based solely on experiences with their respective communities. I feel like some people will only say "don't judge something based on its fanbase" if it involves a fanbase they like/are a part of.

[@ArbitraryOutcome]

Come to think of it, I've seen this sort of double standard too. It also gives me the question on how many fandoms seem to generally attract more self-deprecation among the community. Closest I've seen is a fair subsection of the Team Fortress 2 community, but that's just one very bizzare case where I think the fandom manages to be both really good and flat out awful simultaneously.

[@kingbash6466]

@@ArbitraryOutcome I see more of the Sonic fanbase in that case where one half can consist of some of the most genuinely talented and passionate people in the world, and the other half consists of overly-emotional children who who will sign your death warrant based on whether you like or dislike a certain aspect of the series.

[@ExtremeWreck]

@@kingbash6466 MagicMush did a video on some truly wild Sonic fans from Sonic's dark age.

[@garibaldibritann1240]

Cringe culture really ruins the enjoyment of entertainment, full stop

[@ArbitraryOutcome]

@@kingbash6466 I'm someone into racing games and I can say the Need for Speed fandom as a whole is pretty much the racing game equivalent of how you described Sonic fans (god forbid you don't completely meatride Most Wanted or have anything positive to say about Unbound).

[@Zilkenian_Davenport]

You've grown a lot, and matured as well. I remember your videos back in the day were mostly shouting (and funny, not going to lie), and now you tell things as they are in a quite calm manner. You've come a long way, don't let idiots pull you down.

[@goobusmcdoobus2]

Sometimes, I have seen some media get a load of hate because of the fandoms alone.

[@VagabondRetro]

I would say it depends on how the creators react to a toxic fandom. If they just ignore it or call it put effectively, it won't be a problem at all and can even be a way for the creators to improve. But if they use it as a way to shield themselves from criticism or even decide to pander towards it, things go downhill fast.

[@elijahjp2158]

You know, this is why I never got Twitter. I've known for 1-2 years at this point that Twitter is a cesspool of hate so I just never got into it. Twitter also brings out the worst in fandoms as well. I recommend just not going onto twitter anymore, but that's just me. Anyway, I do feel similarly about HB, except I don't have twitter, so I can at least handle it. But I can just feel the ooze of toxicity from that fanbase on YT alone. Thus, why I like Murder Drones a little bit more.

[@helenakoerner5536]

Yeah...This is why I don't have a twitter either. And its not just fandoms, marginalized communities that have their own discussion forums too that can get pretty toxic. However, I mostly experienced the toxicity of those communities on TikTok and Instagram more than anywhere else. I also have seen people leaving marginalized group forums on Reddit as well, due to them getting too toxic. Now that I think about it, this might be the reason why marginalized groups aren't receiving much support from people.

[@BlackDiamond2718]

Steven Universe: SHUT UP AND ACCEPT MY LOVE! Rick and Morty: Beths: Think that just because they watch the show that they are smart. Summers: Relate, compare, and identify themselves with or as rick. Jerrys: never watched or don't really like or get the show. Mortys: Enjoy the show for what it is, good at some times and bad at others. Fandoms in a nutshell are exactly like what K said about people in MIB when it came to aliens. One fan is smart while a fandom is full of dumb crazy animals.

[@TheDigitalApple]

Sometimes bad fandoms ruin the reputation of the product. The bad writing though is always from the crew!

[@psychospeech6189]

Bad fandoms can influence bad writers to make bad decisions. RWBY is best example

[@TheDigitalApple]

@@psychospeech6189I thought RWBY’s nosedive in quality was due to the death of Monty and RoosterTeeth decided to change his vision of the show for whatever reason.

[@kameronjones7139]

​@TheDigitalApple yeah that was the main reason

[@brytilaar]

And sometimes the shipping can be so much worse.

[@logancracraftgaming7124]

DANTDM DOG 🐶 IS IN THE TRASH BECAUSE I MAKE BANGER VIDEOS

[@Mangakamen]

I remember last year when I kept getting spam and death threats for simply criticizing Loona from helluva boss, and I remember this year when I was stalked by a RWBY fan for a week and a half. These people are mental and make me never wanna touch these shows again - But to me, if I did that, then I'd let them 'win'. So, at this point, I just give them the middle finger. Oh, and recently, a lot of people have been trying to make it out that my experiences never happened - Which is always fun.

[@marcantiojo7703]

Are ya getting any flak from the new helluva boss video?

[@ianbadeaux7774]

Millie Better.

[@alextatakai1155]

This is exactly why I don't engage with the RWBY fandom nor watch the show anymore (dropped it after they killed off Adam). If you point out issues of the "why's" and "how's" with either the writing, characters, or even the ships (especially Bumblebee) those maniacs will start gunning for your throat faster than you can say "Nanomachines Son"! Really sucks to hear you've had to deal with that crap man, definitely shows what lengths fanatics like those will go to in order to silence criticism and it genuinely sickens me..

[@shannonlewis2022]

A lot of people care about fictional characters more than real people, and it’s just sad.

[@hybridvenom9]

There is the dude that literally makes the videos that i also agree that the show is terrible i want it to be good but well too bad i started with season 2 why youtube did you have to do that

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

Shrek: Of course! Donkey: Really? Shrek: No.

[@commonsense9558]

Each fandom has both a good side and a bad side. You can be able to seperate fandoms from the cartoon, video game, book series, etc. Every person has a different opinion. And if you do not agree with them then don't bother them. Either just ignore, or block them if hated that much, and move on.

[@rappingbeaniedog347]

I am so sorry to hear this guy got turned off from Helluva Boss completely because people attacked him over criticisms he had over season 2. The show has been up and down lately, and fans should acknowledge that. But understandably, while fandoms don't ruin the quality of a cartoon, it does ruin it's reputation and whether or not more folks will come in to watch, which can result in it either dying off or just outright fading into obscurity, which is arguably a death sentence for anything fictional. It exists, but nobody's gonna remember it.

[@ArbitraryOutcome]

Honestly, online gaming (especially in more competitive environments) is one of the only times where I've considered an awful fandom or community as a detriment to the media itself, since you're often forced to put up with such environments and bad actors and avoiding them becomes a lot harder, and I guess why the communities surrounding properties like Valorant, Overwatch, and League of Legends seem to be especially notorious.

[@AYAKXSHI]

The entire fgc sums this up

[@seacoloredsky]

it baffles me that content creators have to constantly be apologetic for expressing their opinion on THEIR account and put disclaimers just to convince the overly defensive people not to harass them. it's easy to take a negative opinion on something you like a bit too hard, and if folks want to watch a critique and write an upset comment they should be free to do so, but not going to the extremes should be goddamn common sense.

[@ImperiousMax]

Jesus I need to point out how sad it was that people were so incredibly pissed at the thought that someone had 0 interest in a show they loved, that they went out of their way to FAKE a screenshot of a negative review of said show to... what? Get back at... someone they have no relations to??? Excuse me?

[@spooky1997]

Honestly I never wanted to interact with Helluvaboss or Harbin Hotel until a few months ago because all I heard about the fandom and Vivzie were just endless bad things, wasn't until recently I learned she and her shows aren't all that bad and I honestly enjoy both (well, what we have of both as of writing this haha)

[@FungusFindersBeware]

Thankfully due to my lack of twitter and only following one fandom subreddit (its people playground the chances of anything happening like this is small) ive never had to deal with this do i can dabble in any fandom i want from sonic to vivzie pop.

[@christopherbennett5858]

I do agree. When you’re just looking at the base stuff with a couple of friends, it’s fun. Because you know the friends. Unfortunately, many people don’t stop at that. Or they see “fan of X” as a part of their identity. I mean, we’ve all seen football riots.

[@Amexy-mr6lw]

Honestly, I know many people tend to hate on stuff like Steven Universe and Undertale because of their strange fandoms. But I think we shouldn't hate on stuff because of their fandom and let them ruin our enjoyment. In particular I love Undertale and always have despite everything about some of the fanbase

[@user-zs9ux1ru8u]

I hope you're doing a lot better these days. It must've been traumatic having been harrassed over critiquing something you love by a bunch of mental sick individuals that need to learn how to put down the phone...

[@yiwoon_cr8s]

Or touch some grass for once...

[@Forysan]

At my age, I am just completely annoyed the way different fandoms act in general, to the point that it most *definitely* has turned me away from appreciating specific properties. For myself, the biggest example is "Star Wars". I understand the shitlords that permeate online discourse are in the minority; but it is so persistently loud and vile, that I ended up dropping anything pertaining to the franchise. It also didn't help that I had two bad experiences materialize outside of the internet. And the sad thing is I fervently followed the saga for over 20 years. Another example that I don't think was touched upon here was how someone's appreciation for a program(s) can be ruined by abusive relationships. e.g. I have one friend who can't even enjoy the film "Labyrinth" anymore because he was SAd by a partner who obsessed over it.

[@DrawciaGleam02]

Oh no, I'm so sorry!

[@coffeecrashed]

sad that ill never see a review of MD from you, but you are completely valid to avoid it because of that. keep making good content lad

[@Fatcat333]

God I miss rottmnt. So many of the older tmnt fans hated it bc it was so different, and some of them just never gave it a chance. I miss it so much and it was truly a great show. But sadly we never got season 3 and season 2 was cut in half. I'm so glad the rottmnt fandom is still going, such as Cass' Apocolypse AU very much keeping it alive

[@Commenter839]

Same. The first half of S1 was a mixed bag, but the writing got a lot better over time, and the movie *somehow* managed to deliver an ending that rivals Gravity Falls' Weirdmaggedon. Not to mention it has bar none the best animation/art you'll ever find outside of anime imo. I'm glad it's not completely forgotten, but it really sucks that it was treated so horribly during its run, both by TMNT fans and by Nickelodeon. I absolutely loved the new powers they gave the turtles, and the new characters they made for the show (mostly Draxum, I *wish* we had more time to see him bonding with the other brothers after he joined the family.) I know it's highly unlikely, but I really hope this show can get another chance someday, even if it's just as another direct-to-Netflix thing. It was forced to end just when it became great, and that's the worst part.

[@CinnamonGrrlErin1]

There's always going to be good and bad in any large group of people. Add people's emotions and being protective of their personal opinions and eventually there will be conflict. That said, even as a kid, I never got into fandoms because I didn't like a lot of mainstream stuff. Then when I was older and had more internet access (I grew up in the 80s/90s), I did join a few small fan groups on ye olde Geocities and MySpace, but then Twitter and Facebook came along and I think there was a shift in how fandoms operated. The bigger they are, the more conflict (looking at you, Steven Universe and Star Wars). So I still don't join groups, I like what I like and don't get involved.

[@MangoMagica]

And here I thought the Murder Drones fandom was pretty chill. I’m so sorry you’ve experienced all of this!

[@brickhyena926]

As a member of the Murder Drones fandom, trust me, you don't wanna join it, you'll be harrassed of having a mild opinion on one of the ships or say something like "yea N (the "cutest" of the characters, quiet overrated imo) is ok" they'll jump onto you like magnets, it's not one of the bests, the show too has... some real fanservice, like really, a lot of fanservice

[@raheemaslam7363]

I still can’t believe that murder drones is made by SMG4

[@IrritableDrax]

Agreed

[@hybridvenom9]

@@raheemaslam7363 actually look into the efforts of who actually made the show instead of making stuff out of your ass the channel is made by the same person fu*k stupid i actually know my cards because i do research

[@excellentestevan4488]

While almost every fandom is toxic, ever since I was a fan of Beavis and Butt-Head there hasn't been that much of toxicness I've seen. Only that the Mike judge Collection was the worst yet but they are right about that.

[@garrettcooper58]

Well, there was the kid who lit his sister on fire, so…

[@punkysnarks]

@@garrettcooper58 Yeah but that was way more on the mom who let him watch Beavis and Butthead and then left matches where he could reach them.

[@excellentestevan4488]

@@garrettcooper58 yeah but the parent that said that Beavis and Butt-Head did it, didn't even have cable tv and the brother later said in interviews that he didn't even know or watch the show

[@lol3342]

​@@garrettcooper58I'm pretty sure the kid said he didn't even know what Beavis and Butthead was

[@garrettcooper58]

Btw, I was just making a joke, you mentioning beavis and butthead made me think of that

[@Orkunkadunk]

Idk about shows but the undertale fandom is the reason I’ve never touched undertale

[@Amexy-mr6lw]

Play it and also Deltarune they're great games I recommend

[@Orkunkadunk]

@@Amexy-mr6lw I just…all I see it his glowing blue tongue and cock

[@Phobie_2000]

L reason, not gonna lie.

[@sonicfanboy3375]

Please ignore the fandom the game is great

[@pemanilnoob]

Play the game already

[@shanryder]

The fandom definitely ruined ATLA for me. All I did was ask where I could watch the show because I liked the movie & I got death threats & people saying I didn't deserve to watch the show

[@cosygoose1813]

Well, the film does kinda ruin the show. Netflix for the good version, im guessing you watched it as a child as its not the best by along shot.

[@Ninjaananas]

ATLA fandom can be horribly biased at times. There are always a bunch of hateful trolls whenever Korra gets mentioned. The movie is bad, though. You will probably like the series much more.

[@wakkaseta8351]

ATLA? You mean that fake anime show?

[@Cakespresso]

​@@wakkaseta8351??? This is what the video and OPs comment are talking abt.. Stfu

[@ShinoriDelfrim]

Really late reply but it should be on Netflix.

[@thepantscat2867]

Every fandom be like: “ yea our fandom is great and sooo supportive, just ignore the feral fucks in the corner

[@cosygoose1813]

Except that's not the case. Mha is practically just shippers, it's so bad the guy who made it is still getting harrased for not making their ships cannon. And steven universe kinda changed after their fandom.

[@ノヴァくん]

Dude. I'm very sorry for what Helluva Fans dude to you. Over a video about it too! The best thing you can do is just delete or turn off notifications on Twitter. Wishing you the best bro!

[@nevaehhamilton3493]

What good will that do? People will still harass him even if he deletes his Twitter. He's being cyberbullied over TWO fandoms. That's a living hell he will never escape from. That's a living hell NO ONE can escape from. That's why so many cyberbullying victims die by suicide all the time.

[@ノヴァくん]

@@nevaehhamilton3493 Just trying to cheer him up

[@nevaehhamilton3493]

@@ノヴァくん I know. It's just that some instances of cyberbullying can be worse for others. I get EXTREMELY *PASSIONATE* about bullying of any kind.

[@ノヴァくん]

@@nevaehhamilton3493 ah shoot! Sorry bro

[@yt_MLM3]

I'm exhausted because this keeps happening to me I see a show i like, i see both fandom and fan-haters being the most toxic and needing to touch grass ever about it and it just takes a toll on my mental health. I don't even go on socials outside of discord but i still see people dunking on something unfairly (not even a fair criticism) just because idk it's hip to hate the thing for some reason??? I'm not being whiny about criticism, i know most of the bad stuff in the things i like, it's just tiring to see people wanting to be constantly negative about anything. Some people just need to get out and talk to real people, including me because i shouldn't even care that much

[@blankjester8126]

While there are a couple instances where the fandom influence the series to become worse, most of the time; no, you don't need to be part of a fandom to enjoy something, but even then there are a lot of cool and good people in each fandom, just ignore those weirdos, they feed off of any relevance they get. To me, if they act like that, then they are, won't be or ever be a true fan of the property.

[@metroid7299]

I understand if somebody stops watching a show if the fanbase traumatized them.

[@RaiginAnimator]

This is like why I don’t use Twitter I don’t want to feel angered by differences in opinion I don’t want the Power to hate on people I don’t like or For it to happen to me I don’t want to be having a bad day or something and just lose my shit on an innocent person who could be having a worse day than me

[@msl2299]

Damn, sorry to hear about what you had to experience with that Helluva drama. While nothing as drastic as what you experienced, I did start to loose interest in Helluva Boss as time went on, I think word “underwhelming” would describe most of season 2 very well. Problems from season 1 (undermining emotional moments with jokes, Millie being just there, pacing being weird, etc) alongside some new stuff (Striker’s return was very underwhelming when you contrast it with season 1, Stolas x Blitzo being sorta whitewashed and few others) just created an experience that made me loose a lot of hype from season 1.

[@Squeaky_Squeak]

I'm glad to see someone talking about this, I do believe that a majority of a show or game can be affected by fandom, a famous example I believe is Undertale. That game that has spawned multiple Aus, especially Flower Fell where the shippers basically killed it by harassing the creator I do hope however that an upcoming game I adore Billie Bust Up doesn't fall down this rabbit hole. Because the people behind it are putting so much effort and it's a really creative concept of a musical platformer game. I know its not a show per say but I feel like its important to bring up considering that it does have people who worked on shows, Namely Alastor and Angel Dust's voice actors to voice two main characters. (Btw interested in doing a subject on Billie Bust Up? Idk if you like talking about games but I feel like this one is interesting considering it's inspired by musical shows and movies)

[@Cubeytheawesome]

Yeah also Fnf was done dirty by rightburst ultra (the exe creator guy)

[@gamerdrache6076]

Fr i play a game called hoi4 and 80% of players think that hitler was based

[@G7ue]

I've also stopped watching Helluva Boss because it started making me genuinely uncomfortable with how it was handling abuse/neglect, and the fandom would eat that shit up and glorify it. I try to avoid all fandom affairs so I can just enjoy the shows I like, most of what people have to say is worthless anyways, but Helluva Boss drama would always be shoved onto my social media feeds and it got tiring.

[@howellaboutno9500]

Wdym how it’s handling abuse and neglect? Real quick though if ur just super sensitive it’s not worth having a conversation about but I’m a bit confused.

[@G7ue]

​@@howellaboutno9500 If you honestly don't see the issue in the relation between Blitzo and Stolas, then yeah, its probably not worth having a conversation about. But to explain, abuse is more than just physical violence. Blitzo is an unabashed sociopath who uses and manipulates Stolas's emotions to get what he wants. Meanwhile the show portrays Blitzo as if we are meant to sympathize with him while he's actively doing these things. Having a shitty life does not justify being an asshole. Its like they are trying to copy Bojack Horseman, but they unironically think Bojack is the good guy, and don't handle any of the sensitive topics with tact, rather breaking it up with dick jokes.

[@eatatjoes6751]

If anything, the critical side of Helluva Boss fandom kills it for me because it's come to now loudly and forcefully outnumber the people who genuinely like it. For every post constructively criticizing Viv's writing there have been a dumpster truck load of posts calling for her to die because Ozzie isn't a rapey boy and like, Christ on a stick it's...not great.

[@Haphu15]

The die hard haters in helluva boss should not be pay attention, there are many depictions of hell and many are not lore accurate, the team can take creative liberties for is as if that concept is hard to acknowledge for them Also on the asmodeus part, people went nuts for a character encouraging consent and that he shouldn't cause he is the embodiment of lust, but this is new, the anime iruma kun takes demons from hell lore and aren't close to what they are lore wise, they even have characters that go by the name asmodeus and one talks about consent to the protagonists, none of this is new but people go crazy for accuracy when I show is free of depicting their own version

[@KITSUMOX]

hi im heavily critical of hb, ozz supporting an idea of heavy consent is awesome! its a nice take on lust and what seems to be acceptable to even a deadly sin. however. hb is no stranger to rape jokes, and vivzie herself is no stranger to weirdly romantizing assault in stuff like hazbin. this makes ozz's message feel a little void to me ozz should not be a rapey guy - its nice that he isnt, but when your main ship of the show is built off rape i just cant appreciate it as much

[@alexadamns8115]

@@KITSUMOX Would love to hear how you think stolas and blitzo being together is rape and I don't like the pairing either its just funny because I've never heard describe their relationship like that

[@ceratojira]

same here

[@Haphu15]

@alexadamns8115 I agree that blizt x stolas being rape doesn't make sense, the whole point in their relationship was made in an agreement to had sex and for blizt to still use the grimoire, both parties agreed to it even if they want to be more there was consent in the agreement

[@Mankey619]

Anime and cartoons have so many toxic fandoms. Some can be good, but most of them are the toxic fans who ruin everything we enjoy. Can’t we all just have fun watching cartoons.

[@cosygoose1813]

Ikr, I feel like a good way to avoid that is to avoid shippers. They are by far the worst ones. And lgbtq shows, its mostly not the shows fault but people will often defend a show if it has lgbtq in it on principle and not on whether they actually watched it. Some shows get away with this like dragon prince at the start but then they got cocky.

[@ivoneo2806]

Well most of them can have non toxic fans/fandoms,aswell they just have a majority of them and people shouldn't pay attention to the bad majority of them just pay attention to the good of it,yes u can just have fun with watching it's called not being on the Internet, sorry if I sound mean

[@miguelescobedo5112]

Well, every cartoon will have some rude people but it can also have some talented people in it but it depends on what cartoon and how it's doing in writing and storytelling. This can also talk about video games as well and a toxic fandom that I don't like which I'll not name will get so angry because the series changes too much and I myself really like the gameplay and changes to the series but with the one game that's getting a remastered in the future I might give it a chance as long as the fans respect other people opinions on liking the newer games in the series. Also, I'm a bit nervous about posting my little fan work for a cartoon series I like but I'm scared that the fans will think it's too weird but I'm gonna do my best and be brave wish me luck everyone.

[@self-absorbed5269]

Wait a minute , Murder Drones fans did a PREEMPTIVE STRIKE! They were actually be afraid of what he would say , so they poisoned the well. Internet harassment has become oddly sophisticate. Like a creature from radioactive ooze evolving into an intergalactic sniper.

[@riv2052]

I think a bad fandom can put a sour taste in your mouth when you try to enjoy the show as every good moment will be blown up to a stupid degree but I also believe shows that develop any form of loud fandom starts to decline in quality as the creators start to write for and around them

[@FelixHawthorne]

It is weird because while I have had bad experiences with fandoms in this sense, my own experiences have been far more on the polar opposite. I can't tell you how many times I got jumped on for liking certain FIM episodes, or felt judged for admitting the issues of Helluva Boss didn't bother me, to the point where I struggle to watch HB now, not because I dont like it, but because getting jumped for liking it got in my head so much. It's to the point where I admit I struggled to deal with the knowledge that "how dare you criticize what I like" is a real thing, when I've gotten so many more examples of "don't like what I don't like".

[@TrailerguyGotStolen]

I agree, I've deliberately avoided watching some shows that I had a passing interest for because I don't want to be dogpiled and harassed for being a fan of said show :(

[@gamerdrache6076]

when i tell anyone that i play hoi4 they all think i m Racist

[@elliotmodzelewski1954]

Hey I'm so sorry that you're a victim of the Hellaverse fandom. I really enjoy the show, but the fandom tires me out so I try my hardest to avoid anything beyond fanart and harmless discussion threads. My gf is a huge Steven Universe fan but avoided social media while she watched it, and now she's showing me the series and I'm enjoying it too. One way we air our grievances about the fandoms is through discussing how fans get caught in echo chambers, get so obsessed, and forget to touch grass. Its a really interesting topic so thank you for covering this. I can't believe the HellaVerse fandom decided to be ableist to you and out you for no reason-jesus christ. Anyways much love and thank you for this video!

[@JamesLawner]

There have been times where I got to experience pieces of media, but when I look online and see how much people “hate it”, it then makes me question myself, my tastes, my own sanity, etc. Because of this, I’m afraid to talk about the things I like in fear of retaliation and backlash, and if there’s things I dislike that I wanna talk about, nobody listens or even cares.

[@michaeleanthonyjr]

I generally avoid being involved with social circles regarding media that I enjoy, so ultimately I've never had an experience that made me want to avoid being involved with a creative work, at least not last time I checked, maybe I had that with Pokemon or something. Because I've never had such an experience, it's hard for me to see things from that perspective, but I do believe that mental health is important. So while I still think that a show should be judged on its merits rather than how other people might make you feel about it, I won't say that choosing to distance yourself from it would be invalid. I think

[@ShumaiTheDetective]

Fandoms are the same as authors They shouldn’t affect your fun of media, keeping distance from them is the best

[@cammyman32]

Hell yeah I love Amphibia and The Owl House! I’m glad that you put those clips in the background. Thank you for this video, it was very good.

[@chocobun196]

I remember that not wanting to have contact with media bc of the fandom was unironically me with Project Sekai, I'm a VOCALOID fan of 4 years and the fandom had made me never want to touch it. I got it last week out of growing curiosity and I'm having a blast, lol

[@wisdommanari6701]

I'm sorry you went through that 'SHI. I know you already know this, but you didn't deserve any of that crap from any of those creatures. I hope whatever situation you were in at the time has resolved or improved. You're one of my favorite creators and I hope to see you continue to grow and improve in the future cheers mate.

[@KaiserShounen]

7:30 Agreed, people who are kinda weirded out by the fandom associated with the show should just see the show for themselves and talk to people who obviously weren't left by their fathers. Its not that hard. I will say I have way more sympathy for those who have been directly negatively affected by certain fandoms. There can be a lot of trauma and heartache associated with falling out of love with something you were apart of because of people who weren't raised right.

[@wysteriafox2977]

I'm so sorry you had to deal with all of that. It's truly ridiculous the level people will go to over a fictional show with fictional consequences that usually are just telling a story and harming no one-- and yet it's worth such a display. *smh* Love your content, just keep chugging and ignore the fools.

[@immyopic3319]

Simple Answer is YES. Screw ALL fandoms; they're why I never interact with that garbage at all and just simply enjoy what I'm watching or playing and ignore everyone else.

[@quintzeee]

I know this discussed cartoons in particular, but if it were to involve video games, i think this video would gotten extended by like 3 miles.

[@ArbitraryOutcome]

Multiplayer gaming especially, since it's a lot harder to avoid bad actors when you're essentially forced to interact with them by how the game works.

[@Cubeytheawesome]

Yeah, the fnf segment would have to have been an hour just for all the rightburst drama.

[@pohiena2666]

For me something as important as the nature of the product itself for the fans it attracts. It's how its creators and other fans react to misbehavior in the community. There are cases where the lack of action in policing and holding people accountable for bad behavior may lead to it worsening. I see this even outside the Cartoon community with social movements that when raised criticism just saying "it's just a toxic minority". And doing nothing about the problematic people.

[@reinweissritter]

There's no better example of a community getting infinitely worse by lack of action than furries.

[@goobusmcdoobus2]

I’ve seen this mostly apply to story focused shows, but episodic shows can also have bad fandoms.

[@LoryplayKD]

So sick of random ppl fuel by drama and hate, like they are just wasting the time of their life ruining things for other people for the sake of just being like that or hating such a minor thing as a show.. It truly is sad

[@Molten546]

tbh i dont think i've ever seen an absolutely deplorable owl house fan, worse ive seen is mildly annoying fans but even thats rare

[@Shadowiann_]

molten spotted randomly in the comment section of a video i got in my recommended

[@German-Psycho]

they literally send death threats to people who draw non canon ships

[@dontemorgan1517]

Most of the time...yes. When most modern showrunners, producers, or writers (that used their cartoon as a therapy section) pandering to a group on tumblr or twitter as the series go's on, you get toxic people who are cartoon stans that will literally harass or doxed you for having different ships, or being accused of "racism" or "homophobe" or "sexist" for asking questions or having a common sense. It's why I stay away from most modern shows with modern fandom because you'll attract weirdos like this.