Do Christians Have a Theological Obligation to Support the Modern State of Israel? Dr. Gary Burge

Dr. Burge received his Ph.D. in New Testament from Aberdeen University (Scotland) and has taught at King College (Tennessee), Northpark University (Illinois), Wheaton College (Illinois), and Calvain Theological Seminary (Michigan). He's the author of many books including two on the theology of the land promise: Jesus and the Land and Whose Land? Whose Promise? In this podcast conversation, we wrestle with the question: Do Christians have a theological obligation to support the modern state of Israel?
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[@ileneyadegari8055]

I never believed that the scriptures told us to support the state of Israel our loyalty is to God not a land or a people.

[@victorravenstein6902]

Israel is a people not a place

[@D.Martin-qp2ez]

You were correct all along.

[@D.Martin-qp2ez]

@@victorravenstein6902 Correct!

[@kevinwilliamson4626]

True Israel is everyone that had genuine faith with the one true God and the coming Messiah in the Old Testament and everyone that has faith in the one true God and Jesus the Messiah now. We didn’t replace the true remnant of genuine believers before- we joined them. Hints the olive tree. There’s not 2 olive trees.

[@D.Martin-qp2ez]

@@kevinwilliamson4626 Well said. There were never 2 olive trees. I think that sums up everything.

[@MohamedZainudeen-c5w]

There's no holiness in perpetrating the genocide.

[@omarmahfouz5599]

Depends on which god is invoked, thats why Netenyahu is labelling palestinian children as "Amalek"😅

[@D.Martin-qp2ez]

@@MohamedZainudeen-c5w You are correct!

[@D.Martin-qp2ez]

@@MohamedZainudeen-c5w correct!

[@D.Martin-qp2ez]

@@omarmahfouz5599 like the man said, "there's no holiness in perpetrating genocide".

[@knewjash]

There is no genocide

[@JnstBrimstone]

Before wrestling with the question let me help with the answer. Nope, there is no theological mandate for Christians to support Israel.

[@Lisaann7]

What a great discussion. I have been struggling with this. Raised in evangelical circles. Finally some biblical clarity. I will definitely be studying more. Thank you so much!!

[@JamesMorris-l8b]

Not clarity. God reminded Israel in Jeremiah that the Covenant was made with Israel and is everlasting. You can't cherry pick scripture to make an argument. It was foretold Israel would return. It is foretold a war is coming. Then it is foretold they will turn their hearts toward God. Then 144 thousand virgen men will be sealed and proclaim the Gospel of Christ.

[@JamesMorris-l8b]

To deny the plain truth of scripture puts you in the camp of the apostate church.

[@Lisaann7]

@@JamesMorris-l8b read Hebrews and let us know lol

[@Invaderman440-pn7nb]

User-x3. The prophecied remnant return or "back in the land" concept is the foundation of the modern day "Israel". The largest problem with this, is that it doesn't match any of the accounts in Scripture, such as Isaiah 2, 11, 35, 43, and 60, Zechariah 2 and 10, Zephaniah 3, Micah 7:15, Amos 9, Joel 3, Matthew 24:30-31, Mark 13, Luke 17 and 21, and Revelation 20. All of these passages refer to Christians, and say "saints", "elect", etc. New covenant believers. Isaiah 43 and Mark 13 refer to how believers come from all 4 directions for this supernatural gathering.

[@JamesMorris-l8b]

@@Invaderman440-pn7nb This wasn't the first time Israel or Israel to be was removed from the land then returned. However Ezekiel 37 matches exactly to 1948. Also the Ezekiel 38 war is coming together. It's not there yet but it is miraculously close. God's word is always correct but if scholars disagree. Well it's not the first time scholars / Religious leaders have been wrong.

[@shelleythomas1046]

This video needs to go everywhere fast, please Lord make it so. Amen

[@D.Martin-qp2ez]

Amen!

[@SaMaria1405]

Wish the Christians in the West would stand up for their Christian brethren in the East

[@gabrielalexanderkhoury73]

Palestinian Christians are the first Christian community in history. Now Orthodox, Protestants, Catholics and Armenians. Please listen to them and hiow they have suffered under Israel.

[@naaodey7896]

What about the 12 apostles, and the early church? Majority were Jews. Jesus told his disciples to preach the gospel, starting from Jerusalem.

[@adambrownhussein6525]

​@@naaodey7896Being a Jew is STRICTLY of faith and NOT race or ethnicity. There are Arab Jews, Persian Jews, Ethiopian Jews, ethnic German Jews, ethnic Polish Jews, ethnic Russian Jews etc.

[@wolfsheepclothing]

@@naaodey7896They became Christian at Pentecost. They were born Jews but they spread the msg of Christianity, therefore they’re Christians.

[@Invaderman440-pn7nb]

Naaodey7896, the were Jews, as in circumcised, but when a person becomes a Christian, following Christ replaces former ideologies. We don't say that someone is a Christian Muslim or a Christian Hindu. Messianic Jew is a misnomer to get Christians to worship the whole scam. Judaism is an ideology, not an ethnicity. It is weaponised as an ethnicity, but Der Judenstaat, and all of the other works of the Zionist Congress who founded Israel, make it clear that anyone who calls themselves a "Jew" is a follower and promoter of the Zohar. Ben Shapiro gave an angry short speach about how it has to be just an ideology. Today, it is mostly Japhetic people, but the narratives sell the project to Americans claiming some type of Abrahamic connection. If you read the Zohar, you can see how the Babylonians stole Abraham's identity and used it perversely for pagan and occultic humanism. Throughout the middle ages, most Abrahamic peoples turned to Islam, and are still there today, being wiped-out by Japhites that are as white as I am. Abraham would never stand for that, and He will be coming with The Lord at His return after the scam is a smoking ruin. Isaiah 34-35, Joel 3, Ezekiel 9, Daniel 7:25-28, Daniel 12, Amos 9, Revelation 16-20, Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 17 and 21.

[@JamesMorris-l8b]

@@gabrielalexanderkhoury73 The so called Palistinians are realative newcomers. Read the book "From Time Immemorial" it covers the History of Muslim - Jew conflict from the beginning. Also covers who lives where and who comes from where in the words of the Muslim leaders in charge of the land Briton called Palistine.

[@ortizlydia22]

The conversation most American Christians don't want to have!!!!! This was on point!!!!

[@johnnymonoxide9220]

True... aside from Christian Zionism which has roots in the Scofield bible ( financed by Wall Street financier Samuel Untermeyer), how much is anti-Muslim hatred one of the primary reasons for support of Israel among Christians? It's maddening to see Protestant churches putting up Israel's flag as it bombs Baptist hospital killing 500, mostly women and children.

[@PacificNWesty]

Indeed. The university’s have become left wing indoctrination centers where young impressionable minds are filled with radical ideologies and taught to hate America and Israel. You are so correct that many Americans aren’t willing to examine the actual facts and have those conversations that challenge all the lies and half truths that they are being fed in the realm of liberal academia.

[@anilmendis7994]

What the point?

[@benjaminguilatcoiv]

The modern country 'Israel' the name that it has taken upon itself is a lie. The modern 'Jews' the identity that their fathers generations ago have taken upon themselves is stolen. For many generations they have been born into a lie which along with most of this world they have come to believe is true. For we are born into a world wrapped in lies. We live in a world of big lies and sadly many have come to believe these lies as truth.

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[@oceanfroggie]

Thank you for helping clarify my thinking on this difficult matter.

[@aldelacruz4224]

One problem which needs to be solved concerning the term Jew of today. In 70AD, the Temple where the genealogy of all priesthood was totally destroyed, cannot be found anywhere. There are no Jews today. Since YAWEH promised to totally eradicate national Israel, why do we keep using the term "Jew". They are Kazarian, migrated from Greece and embraced Hebrew religion.

[@theLORDGod_G450]

Hi, great platform! If you have not already had Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship in Kilaspel Montana, on the show, you might truly enjoy his message on this topic. He is NOT 501(c)(3) And is NON-Denominational so is able to speak boldly.

[@renelaunstein1517]

Thanks for so thoughtfully explaining how thinking and studying can be a way to understand and learn the meaning of "love your neighbor" when it seems so confusing in our world today.

[@tmilholin7552]

Not according to scripture they don't the only Obligation we owe to them is prayer they accept the Messiah

[@maisoonafaneh7831]

We owe to Jesus to go and spread the good gospel to all people. And this is the scripture!

[@sandracoombs2255]

This was a terrific conversation. Thank you both so much. 😊

[@fuikayesoong7089]

I am sorry that I never saw this until Gaza happened. But it is sad that it has taken so many lives and atrocities being exposed for me to realise this. Just tragic - even for myself. More should speak up more.

[@livingstreams4677]

Very important discussion for the Church of Jesus Christ who have been massively deceived by the theology of Darby and Scofield

[@D.Martin-qp2ez]

You are correct!

[@enkaiscott]

Great discussion. I covered Joshua chapter 10 last week in great detail as I do, will take three weeks to get through it. Now Joshua had defeated at least 10 Canaanite kings by this time and battled the foes of Israel the foes of God right up to Gaza. Note, right up to Gaza. Joshua never defeats Gaza. Neither do the Judges, nor do the Kings. Gaza is not conquered by Israel. So if any Christian claimed Gaza belongs to Israel, tell them we have 5000 years of recorded history screaming the opposite. The dividing lines of this debate are a lack of scholarship, a lack of moral objectivity, and a lack of love for our neighbor as ourselves.

[@CrowneofBeautyFromAshes]

thank you 🙏 for this powerful push back...this will blow the lies out of the water 💥

[@ridetotheright1]

On your show the other day, I loved the quote from your guest "we await the new Israel, we don't create it." While I pray for peace for Israel, my understanding of the Israel we await is it comes down from the sky as the book of Revelation says when it describes the return of Christ. As well, this new Israel is a place for both Jew and Gentile as through Christ we become Abraham's seed. I find it fascinating that Christians think they can tempt Christ into returning sooner by trying to fulfill the interpretations of prophecy through the mind of John Nelson Darby. I wonder one day as the tribulation plays out and believers aren't swept away in a rapture if this teaching will cause people to lose faith. After all, multiple times in scripture, Jesus himself says the non-believers will be swept away and the believers are the ones in the end who are left behind to celebrate with their King.

[@lrwsf1]

Lol, like a filthy Christian is going to be raptured. You nuts are certifiable.

[@danieltrueheart]

Wow just powerful I just started paying attention to this conflict with the news and my heart is grieved at the suffering and confused as to the perspectives of Christians which I find cruel tbh

[@D.Martin-qp2ez]

Yes. We are all grieving at the suffering. All of these wars could have been prevented. Your suffering will push you to pursue Christ Jesus. We are told to worship Him in spirit and truth. He never told us to land worship which is idolatry.

[@5YEARS4FRUIT]

@@D.Martin-qp2ezexcept He gave them that land.

[@D.Martin-qp2ez]

@@5YEARS4FRUIT And God took away the land too. Additionally God destroyed the temple.

[@kkm0202]

Thank you for these conversations!

[@claudettewisdom8664]

Thank You Jesus! This is Christ centered mindset! Blessings!

[@bobmcgraw]

Thanks again, Preston (and Gary) for giving us theological insights into how we should think about this question. My understanding continues to fill out.

[@AudreyZIB]

Thanks for this discussion. Question: are there still prophecies in the Bible for Israel which have not yet been fulfilled?

[@dhe777]

The land promise was fulfilled in the Old Testament in the Book of Joshua Chapter 21, It was lost due to the iniquity of the Jews. The promise also included "eternal possession" This obviously does not mean contiguous possession The eternal possession comes with the 2nd Coming of Yeshua. 1948 was a fleshly satanic inversion of Biblical Prophecy, driven by a Mason lead England.

[@yungb254]

Don't forget the Rothschild family.

[@pilgrimmum]

You mean, a JESUIT led England. The Rothschild's are Papal Court 'Jews' (Khazarian still). The Pope /Antichrist wants to crown himself King of the World in Jerusalem and their plan (Zionism) is advancing ever steadily towards that end. The Papacy owns over 30% of Jerusalem already apparently.

[@shelleythomas1046]

Thank you. Yes and amen. At last someone speaking that it takes TWO parties to abide in the agreement to make the covenant still valid. As a spiritual house Israel is destitute.Jesus Saves and can and will save all individual Jews who call on him.

[@blackdogleg]

The only way is through Jesus Christ. Period.

[@basharzori]

Always top-notch interviews Preston. Thanks for all of your productions.

[@bozach99]

Preston, Gary I am writing as the death count in Gaza is over 37,000 and counting. Thank you so very much for this expose, clearly there is so much more to analyse and discuss. From a Christian perspective, the wonderful reatlity of Christ and the Gospel and its universality is the hope one clings on to - in this world going mad. I have travelled to Israel twice and have jewish friends who are totally secular. Thank you again.

[@JamesMorris-l8b]

@@bozach99 It does not matter if all are secular. God's promises still stand. When this war works it way to the war described in Ezekiel 38. The result will bring their hearts back to God. Then after the Rapture. After the tribulation. We will return to fight the armies of the Anti christ at the vale of Maggido. Then the blood will flow 5 feet deep.

[@Invaderman440-pn7nb]

User-xv3, since Gog of Magog comes to fight after the tribulation and after the 1000 years of Satan locked in the pit, that has nothing to do with the current dominion of Europeans and their land grab. Ezekiel 38 shows Gog of Magog coming against a different Israel "dwelling without walls, bars, or gates", and Revelation says that He comes against "the camp of the saints", so at least 1003.5 years from now. For what is there before the camp of the saints and the time, times, and an half, see Daniel 7:25-28. Sounds like the Austrian who named himself "given by god" Netan Yahu. Granted it was Nathaniel who did the self-aggrandizement for the rebranding effort. Daniel 7:25-28 KJV - 25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. 26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end. 27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him. 28 Hitherto is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I kept the matter in my heart.

[@JamesMorris-l8b]

@@Invaderman440-pn7nb Ezekiel 37 Describes the return of Israel after years of being spread through out the world. This is the beginning of the last days. Also told as the budding of the fig tree. Ezekiel 38 is the war where six nations including Gog and Magog attack Israel. Sound familiar. Watch the news. During that war when the world turns it's back on Israel. Then God destroys Israel's enemies with fire and ice. Then Israel turns their hearts toward God. But before Israel makes the I'll fated deal with Anti Christ the Rapture occurs.

[@nikan2269]

Can we have a contextual and in-depth explanation of ROMANS 9-11, and what is meant by "all of Israel will be saved" in chapter 11?

[@blakewidmer]

Jason Staples has a book coming out in a few months, please see some of his online writings and pre-order his book.

[@matthewbraynimeth2796]

Indeed, and all of the Old Testament is the Jews breaking God's law. God's covenant stands without the actions of mankind. His promises to the Jews are never broken.

[@nikan2269]

@@blakewidmer thank you for the suggestion. I will look into it.

[@nikan2269]

@matthewbraynimeth2796 @matthewbraynimeth2796 His covenant with Abraham will never be broken. Jesus made it apparent to the pharisees that not everyone who claims genetic lineage of Abraham...are of Abraham. The seed of God's promise is received by faith and "circumcision" comes by faith. it stands that all Israel (those who truly are Israel that believe in Christ Jesus) are saved. He is calling all people to Himself from every tribe, tongue, and nation who become grafted in the lineage that comes by faith... Abraham's lineage. Well.. I leave it at that. Romans 9:6 (ESV): 6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel... I am more so asking how Romans 11 should be understood contextually. Hope that makes sense. 🙏🏼

[@lindaarendt496]

I would recommend John Stott’s commentary on Romans. His teaching on 9-11 is the most complete and clear I’ve read. He presents the ideas of different theologians, not just his own. It’s a very good resource and easy to read

[@janetwebb1507]

CIRCUMCISM OF THE HEART

[@koko2bware]

You nailed it...!!🤣

[@SpotterVideo]

New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the questions below? Who is the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Who is the “son” that is the “heir” to the land in Matthew 21:37-43? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary? What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. God is not now a “racist”. He has extended His love to all races of people through the New Covenant fulfilled by His Son’s blood at Calvary. The Apostle Paul warned against using “genealogies” in our faith in 1 Tim. 1:4, and Titus 3:9. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below. Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. 1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. Watch the KZbin videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.

[@BertGraef]

The King seems to be Netanyahu, according to Baptist and Pentecostal eschatology.

[@GarrettBradfordTX]

God bless you brothers

[@lrwsf1]

The situation isn’t complicated to understand. People make excuses to keep from having an opinion.

[@fuikayesoong7089]

Evangelicals spend a lot of time denigrating other people's religions rather than focusing on their own scriptures. Breathing evangelical air that citing a singular political view makes it a very sus 'religion;. thank you!

[@lindaarendt496]

Thank you so much for this timely, comprehensive teaching that the Church needs to hear. I’ve been so discouraged since this war started b/c the churches haven’t spoken out. I attend a Reformed Presbyterian church but suddenly I’m surrounded by Christian Zionists that pray for Israel. I think they have been influenced by another CA pastor/author who claims to be a Calvinist on the East coast and a dispensationalist in his own church in CA. I love my church but have not ruled out looking for a new church home.

[@graceyenne4497]

Try Eastern Orthodoxy.

[@danielg7868]

I am Reformed Presbyterian as well and have similar experiences.

[@michiganyes]

@danielg7868 and @lindaarendt496, do you mean Reformed Presbyterian as in the RPCNA? I attended RPCNA churches for a good number of years, so if that is what each of you mean, I'll find it interesting and cool to see RP folks listening to Theology in the Raw!

[@danielg7868]

@@michiganyes yes, I attend an OPC church. I haven't listened to this channel much but found it as a result of Gary Burge. Since October I've found Gary to be a voice of reason and Biblical truth on this topic.

[@danielg7868]

@@graceyenne4497 can you provide a good title of a KZbin video which explains the beliefs of Eastern Eastern Orthodoxy

[@simpinainteasy680]

Do you think you owe support to People running an Apartheid State, People that would segregate you as a Christian to a lesser status?

[@Manhua328]

if one is slave minded, then yes, they will support the oppressor no matter what.

[@johnpinckney7269]

The fact that you call Israel an apartheid state is just slander against a very decent country and noble idealistic people who are faced with daily horrors beyond comprehension. They continue to be beloved for the fathers' sake.

[@Manhua328]

@@johnpinckney7269 ROFL. biggest joke i heard

[@johnpinckney7269]

@@Manhua328 You believe lies most likely. Do you know there are many Arabs in the IDF?

[@HannahBo-rv2md]

@john Pinckney7269 Delusional much. Israel is not only an apartheid state, its a pariah state practicing genocide.

[@timswauger9245]

Great discussion, though it would have been interesting to hear responses to the other side of the question: do Christians have an obligation to support Palestinian state-hood and their right to defend their homeland. It seems that when people lay claim to Christ, the NT is clear: claims to land rights are superseded by Christ's claim on the believer, since the believer now has a "better & lasting possession" (Hebrews 10:34). Being dispossessed of land is better than being unfaithful to Christ's call to love enemies, overcome evil w/ good, & bless not curse. From Christ's perspective, both Israeli & Palestinian need his New Covenant to transform their mindset.

[@monab27]

Christians should stand up for justice, is it just to be forcefully expelled from, confiscate and demolish your home, your farm land, your sources of water and livelihood just because you are a Palestinian.. By the way, Israel has forcefully expelled the Palestinian Christians as well as the Mulisms. So for all those, who try to explain the root cause of this conflict as age old religious between jews and Muslims it is not. They (the european colonial settler zionist) wanted to clear out the land from its natives. So this conflict is not ancient, it started at the turn of the 1900's and the events that led to the establishment of IL by the UN. The zionists displayed the Palestinian natives of the land regardless of their religion. Both Palestinian Muslims as well as the Palestinian Christians were expelled and dispossessed..and well as got their own Palestinian jewish communities,and jews from the wider middle east displaced and brought them to the newly established (illegal) state. Read Avi (Abraham) Shlaim's book 'I'm and Arab jew'

[@timswauger9245]

@@Plisken65 only if you believe there is no American "homeland"

[@collectiveconsciousness5314]

@@Plisken6570 A.D. happened for a reason.

[@jeffreywilheim5970]

Or you just need to learn what is and isn't any of your business.

[@ProdigalClay]

Yes! Excellent content here! Thank you both.

[@kennethyakovac665]

One of the best brief and concise analyses of this issue on KZbin, and I say this having followed this subject for decades.

[@TheWidowsOil]

I am a white Christian born in South Africa, I am now in my fifties, so I remember apartheid well growing up. The way I have heard the situation described in Israel, esp the marriage laws and laws about beaches, is exactly what apartheid was. I do not appreciate what the ANC party of Mandela have done to South Africa, though, and my concern is once some peace settlement is made, more decades upon decades of heartache and destruction will ensue for both Jews and Palestinians, as is the case now in South Africa, where now everyone suffers even a worse situation than before.

[@lorenrosser9702]

This is really good! Thank you for having this conversation!

[@rbayat108]

Elephant in the room: the muslims (Arabs) in the region are also of Abraham's bloodline. Furthermore the Muslims also believe in the immaculate birth of Jesus, but the Jews do not.

[@meecha59]

lol...good point

[@mikepayne9640]

This topic and Gary's insight are worth exploring. His book, Whose Land? Whose Promise? is a worthwhile and eye-opening read.

[@donnasheppard7371]

God bless you Sir this is as clear as day!

[@sojournerabroad]

Thank you for your broad interviews on this subject! you have made my learning much easier. Is it possible to download the transcript?

[@repilot]

Please correct me if I heard Gary wrong…he said 80% of Israeli Jews are secular? 40% is a more accurate number, it has everything to do with defining secular… Forgetting the theological arguments (which are numerous), I’m looking for the Lord Jesus to return, not to rapture, but to rule and reign. If we evangelicals took the time to learn how the Orthodox see the Land and end times these would be moot discussions. Our western minds are corrupted! We think we are so smart, so wise…

[@VndNvwYvvSvv]

No, it's 80-some percent according to polls that were done. I read this myself too. Furthermore, polls also showed that the single most defining thing for their entire identity, as self reported, was their belief in the big H hoax, not heir religion.

[@BertGraef]

where will He rule and reign from? They didnt want Him back then,, and they still dont. What makes some of you think He is coming back with the magic wand and those antichrists (1 John 2:22-23) will accept Him 100%? The entire nation is going to have an aha moment, courtesy of Zech 12:10?? All these are their own fables. They couldnt stand HIM for 3 years. I dont think they would tolerate HIM for 1000.

[@dhe777]

The Value of a Human Life, Human Spirit was set by God as the Blood of Christ. To kill to obtain land is to say that Land is more valuable than the Blood of Christ.

[@Geraldine452]

I have been struggling w my faith, and opinions around me, since Oct 2023 Found Chuck Baldwin who's teaching made me breathe again. Many thanks for your discussion🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@jburtonca]

I watch Pastor Baldwin every Sunday.

[@edeancozzens3833]

Gary Burge has my respect as a great scholar and as a man of God.

[@janetwebb1507]

Lord Jesus Christ brought the NEW COVENANT ..The NEW & EVERLASTING COVENANT.

[@curtpegram5305]

Excellent conversation. It would help attention to your guest if we didn't have to contend with a moving head and upper torso on a split screen. And, please tell us: What is it with the baseball caps and podcasters? Hey! Why not turn it around backwards and put on a catcher's mask? I use captions because of hearing loss, and watching the video becomes tedious and a source for headache and eye strain. Thanks.

[@roywhite8504]

Matthew 21:42-46 [42] Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures: “‘The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone; this was the Lord’s doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? [43] Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits. [44] And the one who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; and when it falls on anyone, it will crush him.” [45] When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they perceived that he was speaking about them. [46] And although they were seeking to arrest him, they feared the crowds, because they held him to be a prophet.

[@BertGraef]

One of the most powerful verses in the New Testament. A verdict upon the Pharisees, and they knew it. They would be destroyed. The Stone was set to crush them. What the rabbis did after the temple fell and the Stone crushed the Pharisee sect should be of no concern to us. We should not bless such a system, for St John warns that those who do, God will require it. 2 John 7-11

[@garycartwright8488]

Thank you both for a very enlightening conversation. From it I have found 2 very basic truths (1) The overall story of both the old and new covenants is the restoration of God's plan for his creation. We should be evaluating all of Scripture back to that fundamental truth. Genesis 1,2 describes creation as the building of a temple and the creation of the care taker of that temple as one who is created in the image and likeness of the creator. Genesis 3 then tells why God's plan goes astray because the care taker decided that he was equal to the creator and that ended the natural relationship between creator and care giver (which we describe as the sin of Adam). The rest of scripture is about the restoration of that relationship which is finally described in the Revelation to John in chapter 21. Truth #2 (for me) is the rebuilding of the temple is the temple of the Holy Spirit inside each one of us as we are encouraged to live into the likeness of the Image that we were created in order to reclaim our original vocation as care givers. all the rest are details of that story.

[@johnpinckney7269]

That all sounds good but this viewpoint just ignores vast expanses of Isaiah, Ezekiel, Zechariah, Zephaniah......

[@andrewwebb5469]

If your answer to this first question is no, then most of this is irrelevant. Do you adhere to Replacement Theology? Replacement theology subtly breeds antisemitism at best and is just flat out demonic antisemitism at worst. 40:00 - interesting…so here you admit and draw attention to how dangerous it is to say that we gentiles are the new chosen people? Like we have REPLACED Israel? 56:50 - wow that is such a straw man! Which teachers are saying that this is fulfillment of prophecy therefore don’t worry about it? I'd like to hear an actual example of that. All the people I’ve heard saying it’s fulfillment of prophecy say it to draw attention to the conflict's significance, to Jesus and to urge us to pray. I guess you don’t HAVE to have a theology of the modern day Israel state but I do think Scripture shows you HAVE to acknowledge that the Jews are God’s chosen people and that the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable. Does that mean every single Jew who rejects Jesus will be saved? No but the Jews are still His chosen people and the apple of His eye. There is a big difference between saying the gentile church “replaced” Israel versus were grafted in. Read Romans 11 again and be humble. And people listening to this, please read Romans 11. Study the scriptures for yourself and let them inform you. Many people rightly point out that you can say a major reason for the book of Romans was Paul rebuking the Roman gentiles for being arrogant towards the Jews as the Gentile church grew in numbers. I don't believe we need to support everything the Israel government and army does but this mindset and attitude shown by Dr. Burge is unbiblical.

[@PacificNWesty]

Well stated. Thank you for speaking up.

[@TAFSdefenseaccount69]

It’s only dangerous to say it if you are a Zionist, to say that an Israeli can find salvation through anything but Christ is to be an apostate. The Jewish religion hates Jesus, and they spit at his name. We owe them nothing.

[@debbieward9732]

What race are people in The New Covenant? If they are a new creation what are they called? Yes salvation came from the Jews yet The Kingdom of God is more than salvation.

[@narcisodionson7173]

The Hebrews in Egypt could have been absorbed into the peoples of north Africa. The intended annihilation only led them to recover their faith and return to the land promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Again, the destruction of Jerusalem and loss of Temple did not destroy Jewish identity in the Diaspora but succeeded only in preserving it. The Jews who returned to their land under the Persian mandate, continued to be as disobedient to God as the Hebrews who entered Canaan. The question I have is, was the Fall of Jerusalem a final judgment as far as the people of Israel is concerned? If so, why does the nation of Israel continue to exist? And why the horrific near-extermination of the Jews in the Nazi ovens of Europe? Why continue to oppress a people if God has no more use for them? Is there no theological explanation at all for the re-establishment of the state of Israel into their own land? Why did they have to settle back in their homeland? They could have settled in Madagascar or in Alaska for that matter? Is there no unseen hand guiding these people despite their disobedience?

[@debbieward9732]

@@narcisodionson7173 - I think they still persist because they are still waiting for the person who is going to restore their nation and sit on David’s throne in their new slaughter house of animals.

[@Selahsmum]

so so helpful, Drs. Thank you.

[@darrenmcharg7731]

Thank you for this discussion.

[@arttyree4504]

US is an outlier because it has an outliar--dispensationalism.

[@maisoonafaneh7831]

Such a grabbing conversation! How awsome are God’s people! How awsome is our God! Free Palestine!

[@douglasjones2814]

Thanks for a good exploration of a very important topic. The apostle Paul’s radically Christocentric approach exposes the two god approach of Christian Zionism which imports an alien “God” with a character that is, in many respects, diametrically opposed to the character of God revealed in Jesus. Once again, thanks.

[@johnpinckney7269]

good grief read romans 11

[@douglasjones2814]

@@johnpinckney7269 have done and did PhD research on Romans 9-11. It does not support Christian Zionism!

[@SeenAndKnown]

Even though the Scripture is a prophetic Word you don't read it as such and are arguing against this truth in its everlasting context; it never stops being prophetic. Including in an ultimate end of the age context with Israel being redeemed. Supernatural it is.

[@gordonhuskin7337]

what does the talmud say about Jesus?

[@Hello-ig1px]

who cares, only anti-semites bring up the talmud.

[@skylark...]

very blasphemous things!

[@lrwsf1]

Nothing good.

[@edeancozzens3833]

Awesome. Thanks so much.

[@John17.24]

I am completely on board what is being said in this video and that understanding has been mine for years. Even so, can someone give me the context of Zechariah 12:1-3 please? I still find that passage difficult to understand.

[@BertGraef]

Not hard at all to understand the prophecy. If you look at it through the gospel of Christ. Instead of that foggy sorcery and kabbalistic deception of 1948. And they do use sorcery. Believe me. They do. Paul knew it well even in his day.

[@BertGraef]

You never justify that religion. Never ever. That religion put its own word above Gods word after the temple fell. They have zero validty in Gods eyes. Why would God honor such a blasphemy against His Holy word and his SON?

[@mariospontos5096]

There are two extremes to this issue. Here , I see the opposite extreme of dispensationalism. So extreme that even to deny that the gathering of the Jews back to their land is not a fulfillment of prophesy!!! Jesus Himself prophesied it Luka 21:24!

[@Invaderman440-pn7nb]

Yes, at His return. He returns with all the saints of heaven. See also Mark 13, Matthew 24:31-31, Isaiah 2, 11, 35, 43, 60, Zechariah 2 and 10, Amos 9, Ezekiel 37-38 (dwelling without walls, bars, or gates), Revelation 20 (camp of the saints). These passages all show Christians, not Japhetic Europeans pretending to be "Jews" building something before Christ's return. For that one, look at the preceeding passages to the ones that I gave. Also Daniel 7:25-28, Daniel 12, Ezekiel 9. These show that it only exists up until the "time, times, and an half" (teibulation), and is destroyed by the man in linen (sounds like Michael), and 5 earthly leaders. Christ's 2nd formation of Israel is the only one in Scripture, after the first one which was the coming out of Egypt. Isaiah 11 details both, both with a parting of the Red Sea.

[@meecha59]

When YOU see Jerusalem surrounded by armies???? sounds like 70AD. who is the YOU in Luke 21? Its not you and me is it. Jesus is talking to the disciples ...not you. Did the Roman armies surround Jerusalem? YES. Did you? NO? Whats the times of the Gentiles? Try Daniel 2? Babylon,Assyria, Greece, Rome......then the Kingdom of God. Jesus ascended. He is King. The Kingdom has come. The times of the gentiles ended when Rome fell.

[@mariospontos5096]

@@meecha59 Rome fell after centuries Jesus was ascended. And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. When the times of the Gentiles are fulfill Jerusalem will be not trampled by Gentiles and the Jews will not be captive in all nations. When Rome Jerusalem was still trampled by Gentiles.

[@paulbechtel6437]

Can anyone catch what he says at 23:24? "He says sons Am I right? "He says sons outright?" Thanks

[@urbanevintner105]

“ ‘The land must not be sold permanently, because the land is mine and you reside in my land as foreigners and strangers. Throughout the land that you hold as a possession, you must provide for the redemption of the land.” ‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭25‬:‭23‬-‭24‬ ‭NIV‬‬ “And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.” ‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭18‬:‭28‬ ‭NIV‬‬

[@michealmagagula6701]

So,where does all these place Jonathan Cann and the many books that draws parallels between what is happening in the ‘state of Israel’with the biblical eschatology?The stuff he expounds on is very convincing,at least to the unschooled in the Scriptures.I was almost persuaded until I engaged myself into some serious study.

[@CandleWax88]

Confirmation bias of headline theology mixed with sensationalism. I.e. reading fulfilled Biblical prophecy into things that are happening now, as if our generation is so special.

[@willytangkere5784]

Thank you very much, that more Christian will learn and understand and make their mind,John the Baptist said behold, the lamb of GOD WHO take away the sin of the world, do we need another redeemer? , do we need red heifer for sacrifice ?

[@hixadam1]

Great conversation I will definitely read the book. I just wish I knew about the video when it came out

[@mikewest7595]

This discussion is limited. A biblically sound 3d option is not even discussed. The key is God’s glory, time, and sound HERMENEUTICS… God will get the most glory when He fulfills His UNCONDITIONAL initial covenant with Abraham. No mention was made of whether God’s original covenant with Abraham… which includes the “land forever” promise is conditional or unconditional. Without some serious and indefensible hermeneutics, His initial covenant is UNCONDITIONAL and ETERNAL. This discussion’s treatment of the Hebrew word “eternity” was limited, superficial, and purposefully deceptive. One’s feelings for one’s Palestinian friends and “wanting” God to say something He has not CANNOT be the basis for sound hermeneutics. 46:20

[@edeancozzens3833]

Some sanity. What a breath of fresh theologically and biblically correct thinking.

[@BertGraef]

Dispensationalism is a failure that makes out the Nazarene to be a failure, and therefore God has to send the "proper" Messiah and hence, that ridiculous theology makes theChrist rejecters right after all, after 2000 years, and even God was wrong with Jesus, the first time. I toss all that back into the sulfur pit it comes from. Hal Lindsey and Haggee and so many others have done a lot of damage.

[@shelleythomas1046]

Jewish people ,God bless them, have had 2000 years to receive the gospel just like the rest of mankind, plus Old Testament first hand.

[@shelleythomas1046]

I have learned that the Scofield Study Bible is part of the many pieces of this ideology of Zionism which is really not that old. Thank you Dr. Burge will be praying for you. Your are fighting something huge. God be with you every step.

[@gordonhuskin7337]

read what they say about Christ in the talmud brother

[@melray5001]

And the truth is Talmud is just commentaries and those things always change because the analysis of the Torah changes from year to year & evolves with the faith..Im not sure exactly what you're referring to but as far as I know there's nothing about Christ in there since the talmud references the 1st 5 books of the Torah and even if there was something about jesus which there isnt..it would have been subject to that time it was analyzed..Jesus was a Jew and he was a high priest and the basic tendence of Judaism is completely lost in Christianity which is a religion that was created by jews as well..

[@shelleythomas1046]

@@melray5001 Jesus created christianity not Jews.

[@gordonhuskin7337]

@@melray5001 Lying practitioner of the talmud on display here folks. We all know what it says about Jesus in there, LIAR. It also not only allows lying to gentiles about the talmud, but it demands you lie to them about its contents. Your lies won't work here

[@biblicalworldview1]

I struggle with this one. Yes, God gave Abraham the land from the Euphrates to the Mediterranean, and Abraham was the father of both the Jews and the Arabs (Ishmael). However, the promise was through Isaac and then Jacob, and to both, God repeated His promise of the land. Modern Israel exists on less than 1/10 of the land God gave to Abraham. So some of this just doesn't seem to be accurate.

[@PacificNWesty]

You know your Bible and you take it literally. Good job. That is likely why you struggle with believing this other narrative.

[@shelleythomas1046]

Jesus told the unbelieving Jews they would not see him again until they say blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord. All of Israel being saved is jews and gentiles world wide who believe in Jesus. For God so loved the world...

[@tony.biondi]

Ezekiel 36 demonstrates a land promise from God that is not dependant on obedience and faith - quite the opposite, actually: “Therefore say to the Israelites, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: It is not for your sake, people of Israel, that I am going to do these things, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have gone. I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the Lord, declares the Sovereign Lord, when I am proved holy through you before their eyes. “‘For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. Then you will live in the land I gave your ancestors; you will be my people, and I will be your God. I will save you from all your uncleanness. I will call for the grain and make it plentiful and will not bring famine upon you. I will increase the fruit of the trees and the crops of the field, so that you will no longer suffer disgrace among the nations because of famine. Then you will remember your evil ways and wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign Lord. Be ashamed and disgraced for your conduct, people of Israel! “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: On the day I cleanse you from all your sins, I will resettle your towns, and the ruins will be rebuilt. The desolate land will be cultivated instead of lying desolate in the sight of all who pass through it. They will say, “This land that was laid waste has become like the garden of Eden; the cities that were lying in ruins, desolate and destroyed, are now fortified and inhabited.” Then the nations around you that remain will know that I the Lord have rebuilt what was destroyed and have replanted what was desolate. I the Lord have spoken, and I will do it.’ Restoration to the land from a multi-nation diaspora precedes spiritual renewal.

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

That portion is not an exhaustive study of this time period, which Isaiah also talks about in various places giving more info and of course the entire NT provides more of the details of attaining citizenship (faith in Christ). This portion would fit into the millennial kingdom when those in the kingdom, after the first resurrection, are sent out into the remnant nations as priests of Melchizedek (Christ), going to and fro and teaching and increasing knowledge as Daniel also describes it but these things were sealed from his understanding. We need to understand the context in light of the full revelation of all scripture and Christ’s teachings (you must be spiritually reborn to see the kingdom of God). Revelation is also a great help to clear up many of the mysteries in the Tanakh, which was its purpose with the unsealing of the scroll.

[@NorthCountyRealEstateTeam]

Exactly, sometimes we don’t need degrees we only need to read the text

[@jadedrac0]

really because the language of "receiving Gods spirit" and sprinkled with water seems very much like being born again and this is a prerequisit for their return. So you just crushed your own arguement.

[@Invaderman440-pn7nb]

Ezekiel 38 says that they are dwelling "without walls, bars, or gates", when Gog of Magog comes. Revelation 20 says that it is the "camp of the saints" against which Gog of Magog comes after the 1000 year millennial reign with Satan locked in the pit. If you are claiming Ezekiel 36-38 as this one, you are at least 1003.5 years off. The current one matches Ezekiel 8-9 man in linen, Daniel 7 (tells the story 3 times) the dominion exists up until the time, times, and an half, Daniel 12 the man in linen says that it requires the time, times, and an half "to scatter".

[@naayou99]

Question: sons of Abraham, why is Ishmael excluded?

[@johnpinckney7269]

Sadly, I would say these gentlemen convey no evidence of struggling with many of the prophets, no sleepless nights trying to imagine Ezeliels temple. Ezel temple is irrelevant to them.

[@emilesturt3377]

Jesus is the third temple

[@johananswedlund7149]

As doctors in theology please explain to me how all the promises given to Israel are now spiritual and given to the church while the curses are now guven to the Jews. When you finish those theological contortions tell me how the prophecies for Messiah have been fulfilled literally while the ones for istael are all allegories.

[@GeorgeBayer-su9tk]

Here is a start: all of the promises of God find their fulfilment in Christ. 2 Cor 1:20. Those in Christ are co-heirs with Christ Rom 8-17. Those who deny that Jesus is the christ are liars and antichrist 1 John 2:22. Does this help?

[@meecha59]

you are conflating "the jews" with Israel. You are REPLACING Israel with "the jews". Jesus Himself excommunicated the jews from Israel Luke 14 Matthew 21 Revelation 2:9. The curses are covenantal. Paul considers his past in Judaism as animal poop; Paul says he LEFT Judaism Galatians 1:13. Un judaise yourself

[@savedbygrace1578]

Excellent George!

[@jjjutika2594]

Excellent Preston👏👏👏

[@peggystevens9502]

I believe the Bible. Have you read the Bible. It's the go to book for all who call themselves Christians. I believe God and He says this is His land and He gives it to whom He has given it. I hope this is what all Christians no matter where they live or their ethnicity. The history of the Holy land did not begin in the last 500 or even a thousand years. There was no colonialism. The Jews were returned to the land G❤od promised to them. God took the Jews from Egypt into that land. Through their own disobedience, they were exiled out of the land. Archaeology is discovering the truth of this land and it's supporting the biblical narrative. Jerusalem is the city of three religions: Judaism, Christinanity and Islam. If people did not teach their kids to hate one another there could be peace. I now know there will be real peace until the Prince of Peace, Yeshua Hamashiach (Jesus Christ) returns. I read the end of the story 😉

[@granthodges3012]

The fact that Paul says Gentile believers become children of Abraham does not mean that the Jews are kicked out. Paul explained this in Romans 11. But the problem here is that people have to be able to hold more than one thing in their head at a time: Gentiles are the people of God; Jews are the people of God. When Christ stated in John 10:16 that the Gentiles would become part of the one flock, there was zero statement from Christ that the Jews would be excluded. But if you are from an anti-Jew traditional religion like Catholicism and its follow-groups, it's easy to continue the medieval beatdown. It also make you a popular Democrat. God has not forgotten his people whom He foreknew; makes zero sense if you are saying that He is talking about the Gentiles. So let's do science! Read Romans 11 and after determining in verse 1 that Paul is talking about . . . wait for it . . . the Jews . . .substitute "The Church" for every noun and pronoun that refers back to the Israel antecedent in verse 1. After you get done laughing at yourself, realize that when All Israel is saved at the end of the age, they will get saved just like everybody else in the people of God. Denying Israel's place on the basis of somebody said that the Jews wouldn't have to get saved is simply throwing in a red herring to goof the discussion Paul is making. All Israel will be saved; that means we will be saved as well who trust in Him. It means: "The gifts and calling of God are irrevocable." Stop shameful race-baiting and burning strawmen like the scarecrow allegation that the Jews are going to kill everybody in Gaza (a base low lie). There is judgment for all the Jew-haters.

[@meecha59]

except the Jews are killing everyone in Gaza and they are boasting about it on tiktok...but you ere anyway. Jews are NOT people of God.Jews follow judaism...an antichrist religion denying the father and the son. Paul says he LEFT Judaism Galatians 1:13. Jesus opposed the Jews ..just re read Johns Gospel. Jew is a religious category and Judaism rejects Moses and the Prophets replacing them (replacement theology) with pil pol...unending neurotic arguments between rabbis about kosher fridges and all such nonsense. So we are not laughing at anyone but You un judaise yourself. BTW I can't find "jew" in Rom 11???As for your first sentence. Jews are kicked out. Thats why they need the gospel. Without the gospel they are still in Judaism. If you are not in the Church you are not in Christ. Neither Jew or Gentile are the people of God. Israel is the people of God and Ephesians 1 and 2 explain it thus. Gentiles join the commonwealth of Israel.

[@SeenAndKnown]

This view doesn't fit the character of God who is One with Jesus, who called His people out of slavery into redemption. There is an ultimate fulfillment of this for the Jews. We serve an unchanging, supernatural God who will make this happen and you're misled if you promote Jesus thinks differently from His Father who is a REDEEMER.

[@JamesMorris-l8b]

I'm sorry but this entire discussion reminded me of theologians arguing how many angles can stand on the head of a pin. What does the Bible say? If the Word of God is God breathed as it says in Timothy. Then when God says to Israel "I make with you an everlasting Covenant". Does God not know what He is saying? Does God not know the beginning from the end?

[@J.J.-hz5fv]

The covenant was conditional. So yeah He made right with His promise when they chose not to obey. That is why he made a new covenant. If the old one would have succeeded, there wouldn't have had to be a new one.

[@JamesMorris-l8b]

@@J.J.-hz5fv God said it was an everlasting covenant. Read carefully like a contract. Their position in the contract was conditional. If you do this then this will happen. Reward and punishment not I'm made at you so the deal is off.

[@J.J.-hz5fv]

@JamesMorris-l8b you literally just proved my point. It was a "contract" as you said. They broke the contract. Please read Deuteronomy 28.

[@JamesMorris-l8b]

@@J.J.-hz5fv To break a contract there has to be a clause that states. If this condition is met then the contract is broken. This contract never mentioned that condition. It states if certain conditions happen then there will be punishment not cancelation of the contract. Again God said an EVERLASTING COVENANT.

[@inTruthbyGrace]

Right!! Are you grafted into Jesus bc He is the ONLY vine that matters!!! Psalm 80:8 You brought a vine out of Egypt.You drove out the nations, and planted it. .. John 15:1 Jesus "I am the vine" this was a great discussion.... a very simple google search reveals that the motto of Mossad is. בתחבולות תעשה לך מלחמה no matter how they spin it, plugged in to Google translate= "deceit is essential in warfare"

[@danielg7868]

Excellent interview

[@santaclaaugustin1460]

Thanks Preston.

[@granthodges3012]

Calvinists who advocate the replacement of Israel by the Church lack curiosity. I'll prove it. I challenge y'all to read Romans 11 and substitute "The Church" for every reference to Israel as a noun or a pronoun antecedent. You won't do it; because you lack curiosity. Read it and post here if you did it and what you learned.

[@Invaderman440-pn7nb]

I challenge you to justify the name "Israel" that the (mostly) Germans gave their project. You're using a false dichotomy in your query. Start with Theodore Herzl and read Mauschel, Der Judenstaat, and the writings of the other founders. Also worth reading their main holy book, the Zohar.

[@granthodges3012]

@@Invaderman440-pn7nb So I take it you didn't do the Romans 11 challenge?

[@johnsomebody1753]

I count myself as a refugee from an Eastern Mystic, guru cult, 39 years ago. During my escape, I reacted vigorously towards, "Christian", then Crusader mentality, which merged completely with Zionist mentality. Learning how to think again. So now I can't understand how, "Christians", and, "Jews" can believe themselves to oppose the, "God" that Jews believe in, who is also supposed to have exiled, "the", Jews, from the land, that's been Occupied by imitation Jews for 75 + years. BUT W O R S E than that, isn't the Messiah, supposed to be preceded by an imitation Messiah, so does that mean those supporting Red Heifer sacrifice are actually devotees of the "Anti-Christ", and does all that seem like a script from a, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer", where devotees of a demon, try to summon some entity instead of waiting patiently like they're required to, and lead the world to the edge of destruction ?

[@Mariamblu]

As a Muslim I thank you for this podcast.

[@NEOM6736]

Excellent talk!

[@annablackburn5474]

Thank you so much!

[@christian.comedy.channel.2]

I got my BD (Hons) from Aberdeen in 1997

[@ethanlintemuth8023]

With all due respect I think Dr. Burge is wrong on his thesis implying that the land does not still belong to Israel. I'll admit when I first heard his arguments I was nearly convinced myself but upon further study I do not think they line up with the whole scope of scripture. Essentially his arguments are: #1 First 'Olam/everlasting doesn't actually mean forever.' I disagree, when you look at the meaning of the Word Olam the Psalm's even describes God as an Olam(everlasting) other meanings are permanent, continual, perpetual. Even if the word doesn't mean eternity there is no indication that the promise to Abraham in 17:8 ever had a time stamp on it. The promise of the land being an everlasting possession to Abrahams descendants is reiterated numerous times to the Israelites after him. #2 The second argument he uses is 'The land was always conditional on their obedience.' There is a lot of truth to this statement when we read the Bible because we see them expelled from the land when they are disobedient, however this is not the full picture. The Mosiac covenant had blessings and curses for the obedience or disobedience of the people of Israel, however this did not undo the Abrahamic covenant that the land would be promised to his descendants as an everlasting possession. Also Ezekiel states that the Lord returning them from the land is actually NOT because of ISRAELS OBEDIENCE but for the sake of THE LORDS HOLY NAME. (Ezekiel 11:14-20, 20:39-44, 36:16-38) One example: 22 “Therefore say to the Israelites, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: It is not for your sake, people of Israel, that I am going to do these things, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have gone. 23 I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the Lord, declares the Sovereign Lord, when I am proved holy through you before their eyes." Ezekiel 36:22-23 The whole book of Ezekiel could essentially be a promise of punishment for disobedience but a promise of restoration and an eternal restoration for the sake of Gods name in being faithful to his Covenant. #3 Third argument is that the return is talking about the return from Babylon. Once again I think there is truth in this statement but it is not the full picture. Old Testament and End times prophecies can be difficult to decipher because some fulfillments are in immediate future and some are in distant future. The reason I believe this doesn't pertain to only the return of Babylon is because there are many end times statements and or things that have not happened yet such as God putting a "new spirit in them" (Ezekiel 36). Jeremiah talks about the Lord "destroying the nations I scatter you to" that clearly hasn't happened yet either. Another place in Ezekiel 36:15 mentions that Israel will no longer hear the taunts of the nations anymore...that also is yet to be fulfilled. There are numerous others that indicate there will be a future return where the Israelites will never be uprooted again and God will set up his kingdom fully upon the earth. #4 Lastly, he says that Christ has come to fulfill the law and therefore it is all about Christ and his kingdom not land. I fully agree that the primary focus of the church is the promotion of the Gospel and his kingdom in all things. However that being said, God can do more than one thing. He can fulfill his promise to Abraham by making his descendants a blessing to all nations because salvation comes from the Jews, while also fulfilling his promise that the land is an "everlasting possession to his descendants." Isaiah 49:6 says: he says: “It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.” This is all true and good news but just because God's salvation goes beyond the Jewish people to the ends of the earth does not mean that his promises to them are undone because he did something greater than they could imagine. Romans 11:28-29 states "As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable." God's call on Israel is irrevocable! Jeremiah 31:35-36 says This is what the Lord says, he who appoints the sun to shine by day, who decrees the moon and stars to shine by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar- the Lord Almighty is his name: 36 “Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,” declares the Lord, “will Israel ever cease being a nation before me.” To summarize, we undoubtedly need to show Christ love to both Jew and Palestinian, for let's remember Jesus first revealed himself as Messiah to a Samaritan woman who was considered immoral. God's love is far greater than we can imagine. That being said let's not disregard God's promises to the people of Israel. This does not condone every governmental action, but let's be aware that the enemy has real plan to try to destroy the people of Israel and is actively working and trying to deceive people in order to do so.

[@Invaderman440-pn7nb]

Ethan, the Europeans named it Israel. I could name the parking lot of my shop Israel, and sell tickets. Does that make this the much-anticipated 2nd formation of Israel that is prophecied in Isaiah 11, 43 (comes from all four points) and 60, as well as Zechariah 10, Micah 7:15, Zephaniah 3, Ezekiel 37-38 (dwelling without walls, bars, or gates), Amos 9, Matthew 24, Mark 13 (from all four directions), Acts 17 and 21, and Revelation 20 (camp of the saints-millennial reign). In all OT and NT accounts, Christ is in the midst, doing the gathering Himself. Isaiah 11 shows (very clearly) both formations of Israel by God. The man-made holy lands that pop up every couple hundred years, don't do anything that the Biblical accounts of the remnant return show. If you read preceeding chapters to the chapters of the gathering/remnant return, most tell the fate of the prior entity, as well as Daniel 7:25-28, Daniel 12, and Ezekiel 9.

[@shelleythomas1046]

Abraham saw the future saw a heavenly city heavenly kingdom built by God Forever. Praise God.

[@ireneusjustinpolicarp8628]

Right, ascension of Jesus to heaven opening the gates of the new Jerusalem.

[@pneumysticpieter]

Evangelicals 1918-1929 heavily influenced by dispensational theology.

[@777thetruth2]

The “promise,” was CONDITIONAL, and Israel turned their backs on God, over and over and over again, so the covenant went to the Gentiles in 34 ad, when the Jewish Council stoned Steven to death!

[@7mkhan9]

The land promise was fulfilled in the Old Testament in the Book of Joshua Chapter 21, It was lost due to the iniquity of the Jews. The promise also included "eternal possession" This obviously does not mean contiguous possession The eternal possession comes with the 2nd Coming of Yeshua. 1948 was a fleshly satanic inversion of Biblical Prophecy, driven by a Mason lead England. This video needs to go everywhere fast, please Lord make it so. Amen

[@kellyjohna]

It's always been a remnant. All prophesies about Israel were fulfilled in Messiah Jesus including the land promise which in NT is universal. The knowledge of the Lord will cover the whole earth. Many claim that the modern state of Israel is the collective Messiah which puts them in direct conflict with the True Messiah. It didn't work out to well for political and religious leaders in 70 AD.

[@RAJohns]

The only thing he said I disagree with: Are all people in the world loved equally by God? . 31:35

[@Dannyboy0202]

So you think that God's love for his creation is unequal? 🤔

[@RAJohns]

@@Dannyboy0202 He has His chosen. Calvinism.

[@Dannyboy0202]

@RAJohns where is that in the scriptures?

[@RAJohns]

@@Dannyboy0202 C. New Testament verses proving predestination and election: Matthew 24:22-31: “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect…….And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Matthew 25:34: “Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:” Luke 18: 7-8: “And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?” John 15:16: “You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit, fruit that will last and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you.” John 17:24: “Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou loved me before the foundation of the world.” Acts 13:48: “And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.” Romans 8:29-30: “For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.” Romans 8:33: “Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies.” 1 Corinthians 2:7: “But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory” Galatians 1:15: “But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace,” Ephesians 1:4-5: “For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us for adoption to son-ship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will.” Ephesians 1:11: “In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will.” Ephesians 2:8-10: “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.” Philippians 4:3: “Yes, and I ask you, my true companion, help these women since they have contended at my side in the cause of the gospel, along with Clement and the rest of my co-workers, whose names are in the book of life.” Colossians 3:12: “Put on then, as God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience,” 1 Thes. 1:4: “For we know, brothers and sisters loved by God, that he has chosen you” 2 Timothy 1:9: “who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,” 2 Timothy 2:10: “Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory.” Titus 1:1: “Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the sake of the faith of God’s elect and their knowledge of the truth, which accords with godliness,” Hebrews 4:3: “For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.” Hebrews 9:26: “For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.” 1 Peter 1:2: “who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood” 1 Peter 1:20: “Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you” 1 Peter 2:9-10: “But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.” 2 Peter 1:10: “Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to confirm your calling and election.”

[@RAJohns]

@@Dannyboy0202 New Testament verses proving predestination and election: Matthew 24:22-31: “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect…….And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Matthew 25:34: “Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:” Luke 18: 7-8: “And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?” John 15:16: “You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit, fruit that will last and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you.” John 17:24: “Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou loved me before the foundation of the world.” Acts 13:48: “And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.” Romans 8:29-30: “For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.” Romans 8:33: “Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies.” 1 Corinthians 2:7: “But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory” Galatians 1:15: “But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace,” Ephesians 1:4-5: “For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us for adoption to son-ship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will.” Ephesians 1:11: “In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will.” Ephesians 2:8-10: “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.” Philippians 4:3: “Yes, and I ask you, my true companion, help these women since they have contended at my side in the cause of the gospel, along with Clement and the rest of my co-workers, whose names are in the book of life.” Colossians 3:12: “Put on then, as God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience,” 1 Thes. 1:4: “For we know, brothers and sisters loved by God, that he has chosen you” 2 Timothy 1:9: “who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,” 2 Timothy 2:10: “Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory.” Titus 1:1: “Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the sake of the faith of God’s elect and their knowledge of the truth, which accords with godliness,” Hebrews 4:3: “For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.” Hebrews 9:26: “For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.” 1 Peter 1:2: “who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood” 1 Peter 1:20: “Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you” 1 Peter 2:9-10: “But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.” 2 Peter 1:10: “Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to confirm your calling and election.”

[@Alpheccca]

For a comprehensive understanding of Zionism suggest reading: Christian Zionism: Road-map to Armageddon? by Stephen Sizer

[@SeanRhoadesChristopher]

The Three Oaths ① The Jews for their part were sworn not to forcefully reclaim the Land of Israel ② The Jews where not to rebel against the other nations, ③ The other nations in their turn were sworn not to subjugate the Jews excessively. “(30.3) When a man voweth a vow unto the LORD, or sweareth an oath to bind his soul with a bond, he shall not break his word; he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.” (Numbers 30.2, JPS)