Do Kids Need a Mom and a Dad? Queer vs Conservative Parents | Middle Ground

[@kcarter142]

Aldo saying that kids are better off being orphans than in a household with 2 same gender parents is the most wild take I've ever heard. WILD

[@ripztubig4457]

He had a lot of wild takes tbh. He looks and talks like a young Charlie Kirk

[@bald_flop8063]

He’s a bad person

[@gigachad1021]

Based

[@tinaou5399]

He is wrong 😢 he knows nothing

[@mackenziehaney989]

Those are the words of a privileged person who has never experienced life in the foster system.....

[@meganrowley]

Sex education isn’t just about the act itself. It’s about pregnancy, STDs, all body parts are normal and most importantly CONSENT

[@dimitrioschristou4058]

👍👍👍

[@palermowii]

So you want children to be taught to consent. OK groomer.

[@ravichandrakumarchouturi5571]

Last one is questionable is it related to the topic

[@o_o-lj1ym]

Exactly. The recent pushback from conservatives against sex Ed is so so concerning.

[@bw2532]

@@ravichandrakumarchouturi5571 consent is very much necessary as part of sex ed. Sex without consent is rape. Without conversation about consent, this is where we get cases of marital rape where people think their marriage partner is obligated to have sex with them, when they want. Consent is very much necessary.

[@davebb1212]

I think bringing teens into the conversation was a great move, you get a wider perspective

[@Kbinger06]

Yeah true, but wider not always wiser. Not necessarily this group, BUT other teens nowadays it's like they forget who raised them and WHAT A CHILDHOOD MEANS..WHAT BEING A KID MEANS RIP

[@raymondfeatherston8415]

​@@Kbinger06 Hate to break it to ya, but being older doesn't mean wiser either. Elizabeth straight asked one dude to prove what he was saying with stats, then provided her own and he said "I don't care about statistics". Doesn't sound very wise to me. I absolutely hate the notion that an older person is inherently more knowledgeable than a younger person

[@chelsey7312]

@@Kbinger06children who are actively being raised and are experiencing the effects of different parenting styles are undeniably the most educated on the consequences of those beliefs. In this case wider, does in fact, equal wiser.

[@Chadmlad]

Hey nice profile picture

[@Jreaddy]

I mean, they where rite, she did miss out on having a mother, she just doesn’t know, because she didn’t have a mother.

[@JordanIdk]

Here in Scotland, if you smack your child, you catch a charge. No excuses. The idea that smacking an adult is an assault charge but smacking your child is fine, is ridiculous. If you have to resort to smacking your child, you've already failed as a parent.

[@Pierre-LucTremblay]

By seeing all that new generation of little gremlins who are rude, disrespectful, aggressive and stubborn (the number of children like that exploded with the more liberal parenting), I have no choice to notice the comprehensive parental approach failed miserably. Children were wayyyy more polite and educated in the 60's, 70's and 80's. Now they are demons! So spanking definitely worked

[@zzrizzz]

@amesJ-x5iyah

[@nedajenyap]

It’s called learning a lesson. If the kid is disobedient, paddle their rear end. They’ll be less likely to do that again.

[@qorymij37]

​@@nedajenyap Look, my grandpa used a paddle, hands, belt usually, and it did not make me act better. If anything, it made me act worse, cuz I was thinking "if he hurt me why I listen to him?"

[@nedajenyap]

@@qorymij37 It’s a negative stimulus, and your brain will tell you to avoid said negative stimulus. That’s how that works.

[@Libby78]

Imagine growing up in a wonderful, loving family and then being told by grown adults that your family is wrong and you deserved better.

[@cungzjohnjohn122]

Often times those people have broken families themselves and they are jsut trying to project inorder for them to feel better about themselves.

[@AC-zw2ck]

The very same grown adults who have strained relationships with their OWN parents.

[@Chocokitty57]

Deadass!

[@LoveOneLoveAll24]

Say it louder for the people in the back💯🗣

[@HF-tj8db]

Imagine all of that, but the people berating you for your parenting openly admit to hitting their young children, clearly models of perfect parenting

[@dillweedss3969]

Mike saying he doesn’t want to teach his children earth science really was just the cherry on top

[@daliyahpierson1487]

It made me let out a little chuckle 😂 what is his beef with rocks, clouds and tectonic plates lol

[@Random-sk6hm]

The volcanoes must've really upset him LMFAO

[@ashvergent]

Lmaoo like who hurt you about earth science 😭

[@vervideosgiros1156]

He is an hypocrit: he's homophobic and just by looking at him you can tell that he's in the closet! No comments about science: these flat earthers have computers or cellphones, they know that there are satellites and the think that the Earth is flat?! Besides being ignorant (because it's been known for more than 2 millennia that the Earth is round!) it's being arrogant, pretending to know more that those who study that stuff!

[@tatttoon]

Lmmfaaooooo 😂😂😂

[@lovelaced]

genuinely shocked that the guy with the beanie was saying he needed to have father figure to tell him that women had value

[@dapo3538]

I mean if the women in his household weren't behaving like they had value and they constantly ignored him and didn't show him love, he probably became resentful. I don't agree with him not seeing women as human beings. But 70% of people in prison come from single-mother households and like 70-80% of rapists come from single-mother households as well. It's not really that hard to believe that fatherlessness causes a ton of societal problems and messed up thinking.

[@tatttoon]

MOST BLCK MALES, think like this. Look how they talk on their podcasts.

[@lovelaced]

@@tatttoon that’s a huge generalization

[@CR71234567890]

^

[@arilockett8317]

I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE SIDE EYEING THAT

[@Snow_Crystal420]

This video is insane. Them literally saying the one woman missed out for having 2 same sex parents is wild.. then they say let's spank our kids as a way to prevent them from hurting themselves? Like what??

[@artsandstuffo4564]

A male and female household is just factually better and spanking will help teach discipline

[@artsandstuffo4564]

But abuse is a whole other thing from spanking

[@Hambone2k]

@@artsandstuffo4564exactly

[@Sieil]

@@artsandstuffo4564 Either way violence or the threat of violence has been shown to be the worst deterrent for bad behavior. From children to prisons it's held true.

[@SpectreX-ps1jh]

@@artsandstuffo4564 spanking doesnt. harvard has even done a study and it disproves this notion

[@chellypob]

the female conservative parent saying “i never felt comfortable going to my mom” and the male conservative saying “my mom beat me as a kid” is sad to hear but then they shame the girl with 2 fathers baffles me. she was comfortable going to her parents when her first period came and she loves them dearly. the conservatives have mommy issues, saying elizabeth is lacking a mother is ridiculous after hearing they didnt have mothers that cared for them like her fathers.

[@michaelregis1015]

I honestly thought that was the most ironic part of the video.

[@ComedyGlor]

Something striking about conservatives is they don't tend to operate based on what's more logical but rather based on tradition, and sometimes religion.

[@michaelregis1015]

@@ComedyGlor and then turn around and say "facts over feelings".

[@racheldarmawangsa9589]

@@michaelregis1015 And when you give them facts & peer reviewed studies they go for anecdotes and what they "see." Absolutely ridiculous.

[@amandamorgan8349]

Exactly. Even the black guy (forgot his name) even said he doesn’t talk to his mom and his mom was basically non existent but wanna shame her for not having a mom?

[@evita2989]

Aldo really said “ I believe children have rights” while literally agreeing that they can’t have boundaries 2 seconds prior💀

[@cashbenwick2840]

Pretty sure he was just explaining how a parents job is to guide their children through life and teach them things that will make life easier

[@zoeevans543]

They are different things.

[@zoeevans543]

@@KarlSnarks Aldo, I see your point. Austin and Carmen weren't bad though.

[@shadowspoon192]

@@KarlSnarks you're fully standing behind glass while in a battlefield. I haven't watched the whole video yet, but why do people make a claim and don't even give any observations or factual evidence to back it up.

[@nmm913]

That's not what he said at all...the context was missing out on having a mother (an ideal mom not a bad mom)

[@mindfulness123]

Conservative: I never felt comfortable talking to my mother. Another conservative: My mother never interacted with me. Elizabeth: I was raised in a loving household with two dads with whom I could talk about anything. CCONSERVATIVES: You missed out by not having a mom!

[@MaxGr33nfan]

Conservative people are unhinged.

[@Champaign_Problems]

Those same 3 conservatives: A mother innately the best caregiver.

[@anthonyl9126]

They're speaking from experience.

[@thatcitrusfriend6234]

​@@anthonyl9126 Still, it's ironic for them to say that when they're heterosexual parents were objectively worse in those ways than her homosexual parents.

[@Ricardorhino88]

I hate hate when lgbtq rainbow people bring up animals when talking about the natural way,were talking about humans ??this isn't a furry contest 😂how else a human supposed to be born without a male and mother figure

[@kamvalethunyikinya4751]

I love the black unapologetic lesbian. She stands her ground and makes so much sense. She has a pinpoint point of view.

[@briandelaney9710]

Liked her too. She was the most real person and wasn’t disrespectful but just stated the case

[@TheDevilEdo]

Very disrespectful and didn't know what she was talking about, like when she said lesbians don't get divorced. LOL

[@haileywilliams1069]

@@TheDevilEdo she saying that heterosexual marriage is more likely to fail than same-sex marriage. She’s going off statistics don’t try to purposely misconstrue what she said.

[@xlifexwithxlithiumx]

the AUDACITY of them telling a woman that shes missing out on a mother after she REPEATEDLY said she didnt, and them forcing their views on her is just INSANE

[@froggie0ribbit592]

She was literally CRYING and telling them that people gave her that insecurity of her loving family and Carmen STILL denied that anything they said was related to it. WTF!

[@Jumpoable]

That's "conservatives" for you. They will literally CONSERVE their own limited world view at all costs. Who cares what this other lifestyle or belief system is?!?

[@shelfwarrior42]

@@avivashalom They were literally sitting there telling her how she should feel, like how she was feeling was not valid. If SHE feels that she didn’t miss out on anything, there is no reason for them to tell her that she is. That makes absolutely no sense and you are just as bad as them if you think that’s okay.

[@okuyiosa]

@@avivashalom how tf you gone have a disagreement about how somebody feels? Not everything is debatable…💀

[@daan260]

@@okuyiosa because her feelings doesn’t necessarily represent reality. Just because you feel a certain way about something doesn’t make it true.

[@rw5763]

i like how the conservatives tell Elizabeth that she’s missing something by not having a mother and shame her for it and then keep talking about how terrible their own straight parents were

[@pluto545]

Conservative parenting at its finest. The draconian methods are unnecessary and a bit cruel.

[@leedarren7022]

I disagree cuz I watched the whole debate and never have I found a single person on this panel shaming her for not having a mother. All they said is that she lacks the bond between a mother and her which is not the negative thing.

[@rw5763]

@@leedarren7022 they made her cry. that’s enough for shaming in my books.

[@leedarren7022]

@@rw5763 I don't think the conservative parents were shaming her. Nobody in the panel says it was wrong for having two dads. In fact, she even admitted that nobody said her family is wrong in this room, but the world said it.

[@netoobioha6317]

@@rw5763 y’all so soft it’s embarrassing atp it’s a argument which they don’t have to agree in they weren’t attacking her as a person

[@daphnesdumpster]

it's so hard to not have a bias towards one group when the other is so insufferable 💀💀

[@olivebwu7285]

Fr, like mike was so bullheaded in such a diverse situation where other people would explain their experiences and still be brushed off by him. Elizabeth was explaining how her parents were the best that she could ask for and how she had trauma from people saying otherwise just because of their sexuality, and mike was just not listening and chose to stick his considerably inconsiderate ground, being disrespectful to Elizabeth and the argument itself.

[@TheShockingShane]

It's kinda sad that people liking this have no idea which side you're referring to. Because I can definitely see either side's far leaning psychos saying this about the other. "Omg I had to sit and listen to a person with a different view's argument without me being able to yell over them and assert my dominance?!?! INSUFFERABLE!" Understanding and listening to a belief that isn't yours and understanding it is the literal peak of wisdom. And if you can't do that them you don't deserve a voice in the debate.

[@GuyDubb]

@@TheShockingShane was bouta say both groups got some crazy mf

[@bblizzy4141]

Ik the queer side made no sense

[@BarbieThee]

@@bblizzy4141 why can’t ppl just have different views 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@brinnthehuman]

I'm so confused about the guy saying that being raised by a single mom was hard because he didn't have a father around to tell him that women are valuable people with their own thoughts, etc. Like... did you not learn that from knowing your mother? I don't understand.

[@brinnthehuman]

He said he was raised by a single mother and that his father wasn't there, but then later says that he has a great relationship with his father and that growing up his mother never said a word to him... Is anyone else confused, like am I just a bad listener?

[@medcastrophilip544]

​@@brinnthehumanseriously im confused af with the conservative side. None of their stories are lining up. They're just saying whatever to create opposition with what the other side was saying

[@Kxll_Mew]

@@medcastrophilip544exactly.

[@crystalyze5130]

@@medcastrophilip544welcome to the conservative thought process where nothing makes sense and everyone is just huffing copium

[@mindhackz]

@@brinnthehumanAlmost like it’s incoherent drivel.

[@MayMay-vv9jm]

Can I just say that as a kid with straight parents who love me a lot, the whole stuff about the "role of the mother" is absolute hogwash? My dad is so much more nurturing than my mom. He played with us as kids, read to us, cooked for us and did a lot of the "mom stuff" but he was never my mom, he was and is my dad. He's also masculine, he's just the nurturing type. And for her part, my mom was always loving but she is much better with older kids she can relate to on a conversation level and just isn't the most tactile. She still is feminine and my mom. Like, can we stop pretending fathers can't be nurturing? They can. Stop lying to yourselves. Men are perfectly capable of being men and bonding with their children just as much as mothers.

[@donte9730]

Wish I grew up with my dad over my mother. Honestly I’d be better off

[@MB-yl9hm]

I think that's mostly based on the fact that women literally nurture their children by virtue of being mothers. My children literally lived inside of me for 9 months, and then I continued to feed them with my body for months afterwards. That is the most nurturing thing you can do. Also I don't believe the consensus is that men can't be nurturing, that's the whole point of being a parent after all, but women on average tend to be more sensitive, agreeable, conscientious, etc., which translates to being more stereotypically nurturing ON AVERAGE compared to men who, on average, are more assertive, tolerant to risk, discerning, etc., which does not translate as stereotypically nurturing. There's always exceptions to the rule, but if you were to pick out a random mother and father out of the entire world's population, you could bet money that the former will exhibit typically feminine/maternal traits and the latter will exhibit typically masculine/paternal traits. This is why it's rarely helpful to look at individual experiences through the lens of group truths. Like BMI, on a population level it's an accurate and useful measure of health, but not so much for the individual.

[@emmap6866]

You put this into words so well, I was gonna comment something along the same lines.

[@ecstaticryan4369]

Yeah I agree for sure

[@shkia8884]

feminine doesn't have to mean that the mother is nurturing and the father is not. I think their point is that a mother just by being present will give a nurturing feeling to her child because it is biological and also mothers tend to be more nurturing in general.

[@lunarbubu]

I'm not going to lie, when Mike said, "studies don't matter to me" a small part of me died inside just from the sheer ridiculousness of that statement.

[@ThiccBoi23]

That's your typical conservative mindset

[@debbie6526]

Or when he said we are not all human, that’s he’s mixed and the other weird dude is black.

[@lissazap86]

😅😮😅😅😅

[@dude8615]

@@trevormichael4906liberal or conservative, that’s the real question: can we trust the information we are given?

[@celestial260]

@@trevormichael4906 of course you can manipulate data and pick and choose statistics to come to your own conclusion, but the statement "studies don't matter" overall is just absurd.

[@jennyinouterspace]

Asking if the reason queer people look to adopt is that they have an “agenda” to “prove a point” to their community is the wildest thing I’ve heard in a while. Bro- they just want to have a family with the person they love…… just like you do.

[@empresscrafts689]

its the dehumanising of queer people - it needs to be discussed more fr

[@misschocolates]

Yeah, it's quite strange considering a lot of conservatives are also Christians, and they push tons of biblical agendas on their children.

[@maddiodie]

honestly … grab all your hot takes and apply them to a straight heteronormative couple … suddenly they disperse

[@101TexanNative]

That’s literally recruiting. They are recruiting in our faces and you’re worried about their feelings of validation? 🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️

[@vulcanhumor]

@@101TexanNative No one's recruiting. You can't make anybody be gay just like you can't make anybody be straight.

[@claraistanbouli7820]

“Data and statistics mean nothing to me” “ I don’t care about studies” don’t show up to a debate then

[@Osiris_Drake]

Homeboy really said “I don’t believe science is a real thing, actually”

[@bearrington2024]

I mean he was clearly defensive but if you call the clearly agenda driven papers with massive corruption (how many researches got caught lying this year?) and unfathomable reproducability problems "science" then you are just as bigoted as that man's statement.

[@loveisthekey7]

Ignorant af...

[@artsandstuffo4564]

It’s weird bc lots of studies are bias depending on who’s running the test

[@yaelguasch6472]

bro probably has dyscalculia, can’t handle all those big numbers lol

[@brennapetersen8522]

I respect everyone's views, however as an adoptee, I get very frustrated when people say same-sex households will cause a reproduction problem. Like, there are so many kids who need homes, and many queer partners would be more willing to adopt than straight partners. People are so selfish when it comes to that. The other issue is, many queer folk are not allowed to adopt. THAT to me is more of an issue.

[@LoveOneLoveAll24]

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@Rationality4Life]

Also the are acting like being gay is a choice. Ultimately 5% of couples being same sex won't affect overall reproduction. Moreover, gay couples are increasingly using IVF to have their own kids so basically they are continuing their bloodline.

[@blueizumi]

I remember once seeing a homophobic religious video on this site that implied it’s better for children to be stuck in an adoption center than adopted by a gay couple.

[@inesarif8497]

@@blueizumi they shouldn’t even be around children if they want them to be stuck in a adoption home ! Let me say something they do not care about children, they wanna take women’s rights away from their bodies and say “oh put them in a home for a few years they will be fine” there is no care with any of these people

[@inesarif8497]

@@blueizumi sorry if ur pro life I don’t know what your stance is on the subject all I know is, they would rather see children suffer in a adoption home then be with a loving gay couple who could give them love and a nice supportive home

[@blackblinkzennie]

The quality of your parenting isn’t based on your gender or sexuality, it’s based on who you are as a person.

[@jacobs3948]

Period!

[@NathanMladenik]

a mother can never be a father, a father can never be a mother.

[@itsnatemate7697]

@@NathanMladenik Name things that children that have had two parents of the same sex that “they’ve been missing out”. I’ll wait

[@ligmamalegrindsetinvestinr9251]

@@itsnatemate7697 A life

[@anotherday-anotherslay]

@@ligmamalegrindsetinvestinr9251 thats shallow and just untrue

[@aFriCan_Boi]

Austin: I grew up without a dad and my mom never spoke to me. I was alone... Elizabeth: I was raised by two loving fathers. Austin: Well you missed out!

[@PrincessZXN6]

Austin is so closed minded and uneducated in a lot of different ways.

[@prodigy_riffraff2029]

I mean she still did

[@a.jvalle8905]

@@prodigy_riffraff2029 on what tho

[@rexstylus]

@@prodigy_riffraff2029 Austin missed out on what experiencing what “love” and “acceptance” is, Elizabeth never missed out on those. That’s why he thinks spanking his kids are okay when there are better ways to handle situations.

[@prodigy_riffraff2029]

@@rexstylus I appreciate the useless reply 👍😂, just because he missed out on stuff doesn’t mean she didn’t miss out as well

[@kaitlynmarqueses4542]

Raw is so funny for saying “When homeboy had said that he doesn’t believe in data or statistics..I don’t think it was a subtle eye roll, I definitely got whiplash 😐”

[@joecrews1567]

Really proud of Elizabeth for standing her ground when being belittled for having 2 dads. It was disgusting of Mike to say shes missing something because she doesn’t have a mother figure. Id take 2 great father figures over a close minded and ignorant parent like him any day.

[@dansmodacct]

amen

[@yasminmorandini8443]

She cried for attention no one even belittled her

[@tectalgaming3401]

Mother And Father > 2 same sex parents ez

[@jadensarney556]

@@yasminmorandini8443 what does she gain from that?

[@KarlSnarks]

Yeah so much respect for her, it's ridiculous that the people who are okay with spanking their own kids think they know better than her if her childhood was a happy one.

[@spencedbuddy6343]

Blows my mind when parents say they don't have to respect anything about there kids. Those kids are human beings they deserve provacy, respect, their own emotions. There is a middle ground between letting a kid control you and treating a kid like a possession.

[@ariana_208]

*their

[@wormboy6384]

periodddd

[@curryascocarrasco4829]

I got annoyed when the conservative mom said that emotions shouldn't have a role in boundaries. Some people just want things so easily to be seen as a clear cut black/white dichotomy.

[@manniefresh3425]

Respect is earned, this applies even to kids. If a kid is faar beyond their years in intellect and practicality that’s one things, but kids are not smart, their brains are not fully developed and for most they haven’t done anything that would warrant respect.

[@manniefresh3425]

@@marsfrog104 maybe you haven’t done anything to warrant being respected, why would anyone owe you any respect for just breathing

[@larcade1329]

I love how the conservatives who had bad experiences with their parents are telling the girl with loving dads that she is missing out. Talk about projecting

[@AerteMarie]

EXACTLY

[@prodigy_riffraff2029]

I mean she is, but it’s also pot calling the kettle black

[@a.jvalle8905]

@@prodigy_riffraff2029 you mad mad lol I have seen you reply to every single comment 😩😩😩

[@prodigy_riffraff2029]

@@a.jvalle8905 I mean that’s an over exaggeration, and if someone needs too get slated imma slate them

[@a.jvalle8905]

@@prodigy_riffraff2029 you are maddddddddddd omg who hurt you

[@onyxash7076]

if you dont want your children growing up thinking violence is the answer, don't use violence to discipline them. simple.

[@KitZilla-fp5ue]

as someone who grew up in violence, and used violence and later found out violence is NOT the answer. i agree. because now i have lifelong trauma and lifelong guilt.

[@AlexRoseGames]

I have never and would never be in a violent altercation once in my entire life and I was spanked regularly by my mum, all for things I entirely deserved out of love. she is my favourite person in the world, I don't look back on it badly in any way at all, and if she didn't do it I'd probably have fallen into a bonfire or run into a road or something, the kinds of things I did often attempt because I was adhd and reckless, and I would do such things until I got spanked words are not a punishment. depriving me of possessions or grounding me is not a punishment because I don't care about objects, I can entertain myself in an empty room all day just sitting and thinking. depriving me of food doesn't matter because I don't care, before I was married I would sometimes just forget to eat for 2 days because I only sid it out of necessity. there's nothing you can punish a kid like me with except pain, anything else has no stakes because I don't want for anything, I am perfectly content in my own company

[@justalpha9138]

​@@KitZilla-fp5ueI'm sorry you had to endure that and didn't feel safe. 😢

[@KitZilla-fp5ue]

@@justalpha9138 aww thanks! its okay though!, im an adult now and im doing a lot better for myself ! :D

[@justalpha9138]

@@KitZilla-fp5ue That's great! :D

[@slangoognals]

Her throwing the "You don't feel bad because you dont know what you're missing!" back in his face and him immediately backtracking, amazing. "That's not what we're talking about" It's EXACTLY what you're talking about actually

[@nmikk10]

Sure I have a specific relationship with my mother but I gained nothing from having a father. He could've been any other male figure in my life. The last time I had a real deep conversation with him was him calling me on the phone telling me that mom was upset because I had LGBT content on my Facebook. He told me to take it off and when I refused he got angrier and angrier. I know he disapproved of my sexuality but we've yet to have an actual conversation in over a year about if he has changed simply because he doesn't reach out. A parent is supposed to be there for their child and he wasn't.

[@colepuleo6809]

THANK YOU!!!

[@Tacos18]

​@@nmikk10He put a roof over your head and you disrespected him.

[@macx3r0]

​@nmikk10 that's exactly the point. Your dad was there but he was not a father. He clearly didn't do what he was supposed to

[@nathanaelwaters2509]

​@@macx3r0 then anyone can be a father lol

[@aidandonofrio2001]

“Children have rights” also the conservative parents: “ children shouldn’t be able to set boundaries and I don’t have to respect them if they do”

[@a.a9021]

"And I should be able to hit them if they do something that bothers me"

[@nmm913]

Wow that's what you took from that? Leaving out a lot there...

[@janfrancik6520]

@@nmm913 Selective hearing at it's finest. I don't think anyone in this comment section clicked on this video to get a new view on parenting tho.

[@edwinamendelssohn5129]

Ignorant

[@everythingviral972]

Both statements are true.

[@JorQuin]

The fact that these individuals prefer children to be parentless and lost to the system than having same-sex parents is one of the most ridiculous and even insulting statements I’ve heard.

[@petermj1098]

Same sex “parents” don’t teach “love” they teach sodomy. Those kids will never know the beauty of procreation from a mom and dad growing up under gays. A child without a mom is dysfunctional with other women and a child without a dad is dysfunctional with other men. People are lying to themselves children don’t become very insecure people because they don’t have a mom and or dad

[@ajakakakak]

@@petermj1098oh I’m sorry, but I thought children shouldn’t be learning about sex at a young age bc they are children. If procreation is so magnificent, then what is your opinion on those dastardly straight couples that have the audacity to adopt children they did procreate together?

[@petermj1098]

@@ajakakakak Children eventually grow up. There is a difference between kids and teenagers. It is fine when teenagers eventually learn about sex from parents but it is not fine for kids to do so because it is too explicit for them to know at a young age. I am pretty sure some straight couples that adopt children do it cause they biologically can’t have children of their own. Just because straight couples can’t have biological children of their doesn’t mean procreation isn’t magnificent. And even if a straight couple that can have biological children adopts as long as the resources and time it is fine to give adopted children the father and mother they need in life.

[@ajakakakak]

@petermj1098 but it isn’t fine to give a child a loving home with two men or two women raising them? I had a shifty father who was always in my life, I would’ve much rather my mother married a very nice woman instead, that way I could’ve had two parents who gave me the love I deserve

[@silentghost751]

@@ajakakakaklearn about love

[@kamiyanicole]

austin bringing up the rainbows… some people just obsess over things 😭 would he have freaked out if it were a bunch of unicorns?

[@everretchancellor2243]

You know Unicorns have an agenda 😂😂😂😂

[@jayjay210197]

Bringing something up once=obsession

[@ihtyk]

The way this episode stressed me out so much😭 this wasnt even a debate this was a full on argument

[@Naz38511]

The Queers made it that way especially Raw sex or whatever her name is she was hype for nothin

[@anonymousviewer7852]

No me too I was getting so heated watching this 😭

[@jalebi_baby8]

This video made me soooo angry I can’t explain. So horrible. So inconsiderate. Blatantly ignoring the existence of the whole community. Love can’t be measured. How dare they tell anyone who’s so proud of her fathers, what she had missed in her life. Fuminggg

[@godsrevolver9737]

​@@jalebi_baby8facts vs your emotions. What's more important?

[@jonharrison3114]

@@godsrevolver9737what are you even talking about?!

[@Rubyshadows]

The rainbow classroom thing has me cracking up. Children like colors. I'm an artist and straight. I love colors. I love rainbows. The stretch is ridiculous.

[@HouseMDaddict]

I lived rainbows as a kid and would draw them all the time. As an adult, I'm more hesitant with rainbows because people are so judgemental or automatically think you're part of the LGBTQ community because you wear rainbows. I also would hate to offend someone of the LGBTQ community and "appropriate" their representation when I'm personally not in the community. I just feel in a weird limbo as an adult.

[@amaranextdoor]

50 rainbows though??? 50 rainbows! That doesn't sound weird to you? 😶

[@lee_1292]

@@HouseMDaddict im queer and have 0 problem with straight people wearing rainbows, i think most queer ppl feel the same. i appreciate you trying to do what feels most respectful though. it means a lot

[@ceeIoc]

Such an excuse. Put up every color then if they like colors. But no it has to be rainbows.

[@danieljessekaplan7034]

Lol no one in the lgbtq community is going to feel “appropriated” if you wear rainbow clothing. We don’t own colors

[@emmagrace6977]

When Mike said "studies mean nothing to me" that's all I needed to know.

[@aarjo8258]

Elizabeth hit it on the head with that. It invalidates a majority of his opinions because it means he **refuses** to believe whatever he doesn't see with his own eyes.

[@binaryvoid0101]

Anti-science people are absolutely insufferable.

[@ripztubig4457]

He also has a podcast where he regularly has neonazis and white supremecists as guests. I.e. Nick Fuentes, Gavin McInnes

[@msrainbowbrite]

i think he means that the majority of studies have a political bias

[@shemgilbert1991]

He should have started railing off statistics about lesbian couple abuse rates

[@rmcl1763]

It’s shocking how many people are terrified that everyone will turn gay and stop having babies. That and the great big gender swaps. It’s crazy. Are they that completely detached from sexuality and the joy people raising children?

[@babycakes84]

austin going from saying his mom beat him for “laughing too early in the morning when his mom is sleeping”, and then a few questions later explaining how he “threatens his kids with a belt because daddy’s on the computer and they’re too loud” was wild. how does he not see the similarities- physically hurting/threatening just for being “too loud” and the parent is annoyed.

[@connorl862]

Cause he and the other conservative parents are complete morons. They contradict themselves multiple times in the entire video. I feel bad for their families

[@Juniper122]

Explains a lot

[@candashiamcdonald9214]

exactlyy, and honestly when he was first talking about the example he gave for why he would spank his daughter and how he tells her what not to do first, then if she does it anyway he spanks her and THEN talks about it, I was like that... doesn't make sense. First of all children need repetition and redirection. And they have no impulse control. So instead of spanking and then talking about it, maybe talk to her about why it's unsafe and then redirect her to something she CAN climb so she isn't climbing the thing that's not safe for her to. Cause if you tell her once then walk away and she does it again, spanking is not the fix all. If anything you're instilling fear, not understanding.

[@CreativeSoul101]

I know how doesn't he see how messed up it sounds

[@3rica50]

​@@Juniper122w1qw1qawqa1awq😅😊😊

[@goldie1089]

Let’s make one thing clear: if a child GROWS UP with a not typically normal thing in their life, they WILL see it as normal. They will not be confused or disappointed inherently

[@bishbosh4815]

They'll only realise it isn't normal when they compare it to others who are "normal"

[@MistressMillie]

SAY IT LOUDER 👏👏👏

[@Libby78]

Same with their friends and neighbours. Kids who know gay families really don’t care that they’re gay.

[@rco919]

@@bishbosh4815 yes! and the child that grew up with their normal is not at fault for what other people push to them and make them feel bad for it

[@ttulady06]

But they are human and will see and feel the importance of having both sexes as parents inherently. That’s totally natural. That’s how humans are made to be

[@ser2952]

The fact that two of the conservative parents outright reject data, studies, and actual lived experience says everything. Wow.

[@RaquelRavage]

I DONT BELIEVE IN THE DATA

[@ser2952]

@@RaquelRavage lol

[@prime12602]

@@RaquelRavage we believe you fr fr

[@Random-sk6hm]

@@RaquelRavage EXACTLY data isn't real, only my opinion matters and everyone else including scientists are wrong!!!!!

[@lingling8046]

U don’t need data to acknowledge the natural instincts of a biological female mom& dad and why there needs to be a balance of the two. Plus everyone kept talking over Austin; liberals need to learn to let ppl talk. Also There’s a reason why Austin asked if there was an agenda behind same sex marriage w/ families. It’s obviously a trendy social concept influenced by the government to control population through sterilization by first, stripping family values from American families. I mean have u not seen the data lately? We are heavily underpopulated and suddenly we are running out of resources and going thru massive inflation and shitty water. This is recipe for disaster and poverty. If no new generations are born after our downfall, America will be a lost country like Atlantis type beat.

[@mattshelton7423]

“I can play Barbie with my girls. I’ll be the King, they’ll be Barbie” I feel like you missed the point of Barbie if you’re being the “king”…

[@lisasyd6034]

😂

[@valentinanagy4008]

When the guy said that when he gets his belt and jingles it his kids scurry to behave, my jaw dropped. That's not respect, that's fear.

[@UrbanDecayLova247]

Austin seems like an AWFUL parent.

[@kikidoyaluvmexixi4297]

What’s wrong with fear? As long as he doesn’t hit her. I feel little kids need a little fear because they are so not chill. Obviously as they grow the fear factor should reduce and the respect factor increase

[@heartbroken6575]

@@kikidoyaluvmexixi4297 "What's wrong with fear?" Trolls are getting weak these days 💀

[@nate2759]

I agree with you, I was shocked too I’m not going to lie.

[@chop9293]

@@kikidoyaluvmexixi4297 The problem that arises here is that when kids fear their parents, they just find more sneaky ways to do what they have always been doing.

[@angelfishconsumed]

Raw seems like an incredible mother. She's so well spoken and when she talked about balance thats all i needed to hear to know she's doing a great job. BALANCE IS KEY!!!!

[@theetherealmomentpodcast]

fr

[@jadensarney556]

Yeah I loved her

[@buried4430]

Yea, she was probably the most thoughtful and reasonable person in the room

[@oliverm376]

I was thinking the same thing. An incredible level of patience and tolerance for the other people there, even when it wasn't necessarily being shown back to her.

[@bidensnut]

conservative here and i agreed with a lot of what she said

[@chanelchic6489]

Boundaries are so important. The kids shouldn’t be a 2.0 copy of you. They should be their own person and a parent expecting that out of their kids is their first mistake

[@socialistmapper3060]

As someone with two moms it rlly doesn’t effect our lives that much the conservatives are crazy saying I grew up wrong

[@artsandstuffo4564]

You might just not know what your missing bc you never had it

[@socialistmapper3060]

@@artsandstuffo4564 but could I not just use the same argument the other way saying actually it’s way better to not have a father and have two moms but u wouldn’t know what ur missing cuz u never had it?

[@artsandstuffo4564]

@@socialistmapper3060 you need sweet and salty two sweets still leaves you without salt you might not care but things would be better if you had both

[@artsandstuffo4564]

@@socialistmapper3060 and I have one. Mom my dad passed and I might not know what I’m missing but I’m missing somthing

[@socialistmapper3060]

@@artsandstuffo4564 and y is that? U can’t just say “u need a sweet and a salty” with no actual evidence of that. Studies show there’s no difference between people with two moms/dads and people with a mom and a dad.

[@KaylaTheKindOne]

the way elizabeth RAN to the seat to agree that her parents made her feel safe and seen...she loves them and they love her. how _anyone_ can look at a girl like this and say "you are fundamentally incomplete as a person because you didnt have a mom" is beyond me. she certainly seems more complete than the conservatives in the room.

[@queblue7153]

Ur crazy, no other contestant broke down other than her, that demonstrated how she was incompetent compared to the others. Just because u are liberal doesn’t mean you have to be illogical.

[@KaylaTheKindOne]

@@queblue7153 thank you for my daily dose of "liberals are ignorant and sensitive, hur dur", really appreciated it

[@queblue7153]

@@KaylaTheKindOne no but can you actually sit here and tell me I’m wrong. She repeatedly said how she was unaffected by not having a mother, but yet was the only one unable to control herself?

[@KaylaTheKindOne]

@@queblue7153 she's unaffected by not having a mother, but she is affected by people who refuse to believe that she's unaffected. you think that someone who's telling their personal truth should just...cope when they're not believed?

[@angela8d679]

⁠@@queblue7153 and why did she brake down? Bc of what the other people were telling her🙄 the same stuff she’s been told her whole life that she’s missing something that she’s incomplete bc she didn’t have a mom. What aren’t u getting?

[@sarahthomas9897]

when austin talked about jingling his belt so his kids would behave my jaw dropped. imagine taking pride in being a person that strikes that type of fear in their own children. wild.

[@MinisDunyasi5]

I don’t think Austin knows the difference between fear and respect. Kids can respect you without being scared of you.

[@violetblythe6912]

@minisdunyas9884 Exactly. To this day, although I’m almost 30, I fear my parents, but I do not respect them. If anything I feel sad for them. They have a lot of generational trauma they have never addressed. It doesn’t excuse their actions but it does bring me peace to realize they are victims themselves of the abuse they perpetrated.

[@haha-nb9yq]

Wow it’s not that deep. The fear probably only lasted a few seconds and the kids went back to playing. It was probably the smallest interaction and not a big deal out of their day just a quick redirection

[@joeydehaeck419]

u miss the point

[@ilyasashraf6710]

Exactly, he talkin bout how his kids respect him, as if he didnt just tell the world they only listen to him once he threatens to hit them, pathetic

[@raquelesteves3334]

"this is what she thinks she's hearing", holy crap the amount of gaslight this woman tried to do, she really is a mother

[@Kbinger06]

Damn!..Sounds like you have some deep routed issues with mothers😬 Don't put that on all Mothers hon.

[@raquelesteves3334]

@@Kbinger06 it's a joke

[@fightfear3979]

You mean she really is a father.

[@willl9046]

😂😂😂

[@mookchie]

You mean a father? It's literally a stereotype of people having absent father figures, at least most mothers actually put I'm thr effort without any reward whilst dad's are praised for the minimum. stop projecting ur mommy issues

[@Reszig22]

I have lesbian parents. And if I had been raised by my biological mom and my biological male part it would have been the worst childhood. And when my mum married my other mother it was the best decision she could have ever made for my life. I’ve grown up so loved and supported

[@channel_no_longer_active]

This video really demonstrates how you could never win an argument against ignorant people lol

[@avonfettydale9166]

Hasn’t even been out for 30 minutes lll

[@itsnatemate7697]

“I don’t believe in studies or stats…”

[@Calamity8]

Which side is ignorant ?

[@xavlionheart]

@@duckymomo7935 and you can prove that with the existence of Miami and LA 😂😂😂

[@thenewnationpodcast]

@@itsnatemate7697 correct, in a setting where people are speaking anecdotally, statistics don't have a place. None of us were necessarily speaking truth claims, we were speaking subjectively

[@ethanivan9347]

i feel so bad for elizabeth. it seems like she has a wonderful and loving relationship with her dads and then we have these parents who openly admit support for spanking their kids, etc., telling her that she missed out on a mom and implying something wrong with her and her family. absolutely unbelievable that people still think like this.

[@VoVina111]

Heck I'm Christian and conservative and I felt bad! I thought it was too much. Even if they believe it, they shouldn't say it. It's too painful. And it's not like she can go back in time and change her parents? So what's the point of hurting her on the fact that she doesn't have a mother.

[@amoredelia9273]

thank you for being considerate, it's nice to see someone on the other side being respectful!@@VoVina111

[@jodyrigsby4764]

​@VoVina111 well I'm an LGBTQ conservative and I felt bad too.😢🫂❤

[@VoVina111]

@@jodyrigsby4764 it was just unnecessary pain 😢

[@jodyrigsby4764]

​@@VoVina111yep 😢

[@TurtleChad1]

I don't think I've ever felt the producers feel as uncomfortable as in the making of this episode.

[@OfficialMannyMitchell]

what

[@gwildordipkin6504]

They titled it queer vs conservative. Then titled the people conservative or "gen Z" under their names. Maybe i'm out of touch with reality in 2023, but I don't think all Gen Z/young are queer.

[@lynxk9372]

@@gwildordipkin6504 its the kids silly Quer conversitove and kids

[@fhiyos_2611]

Too many people. It should be 3 on each side

[@Alianger]

Might be time to make the staff more diverse ideologically

[@goldenpeepeepoopoo3196]

As a former foster child, to say that kids are better off in the foster system rather than with same-sex parents is absolutely abysmal. I would’ve loved to have 2 moms or 2 dads that loved me unconditionally.

[@andreak9339]

love that you said this ❤

[@justalpha9138]

I'm so sorry you had to endure not feeling loved. If I end up marrying a guy, I really do want to adopt a child because I see stories like this a lot and I really do want to be there for someone. I really do want to be a caring dad. 😊

[@LateNightChess]

Youre clearly not a bright one and dont know the implications of having two dads and/or two moms

[@LateNightChess]

@@andreak9339of course you do because it reinforces the fantasies that constitute your little mind

[@goldenpeepeepoopoo3196]

@@LateNightChess could you elaborate more please

[@thatguy_dan]

The way they were talking to the girl with two dads came across as so condescending. They have someone in front of them who's the product of same-same sex parents and they refuse to listen to her and tell her that she doesn't know any better.

[@fippylol]

they werent taught as children to be accepting of other peoples experience and can only perceive THEIR way of life as the correct way and any other way is wrong.

[@frishter]

Yeah, women aren't that replaceable... It may be progressive to say that it's just the same, but it isn't.

[@litoreggie]

And then she had a breakdown which I highly doubt is the first time. She can defend her two Dads till she turns blue but the breakdown is proof of a child with gay parents struggles

[@txoni]

@@litoreggie Do you actually know why she was struggling? Did you even listen to what she was saying??

[@litoreggie]

@@txoni yes, she blamed society for her struggles . That’s unfortunately a direct cause of having gay parents. The world isn’t perfect and never will be. She has problems dealing with what others say and defending her home life but her Dads knew going in that it would be a problem and did it anyway. Two men shouldn’t have kids . It’s biologically abnormal

[@BlueCoolOla]

This "debate" ended for me the moment Mike said "studies mean nothing" - you can't debate people who don't care about objective reality because it doesnt line up with their traditional outdated views 🤷‍♀️

[@endthelogin]

Studies mean something but it’s foolish to believe that studies aren’t frequently manipulated to paint a narrative

[@frostbitegaming3289]

@endthelogin But that's not what Mike said. If studies don't mean anything, then what are we basing our arguments on?

[@bishbosh4815]

Oh please, it's not like scientific studies disproving the importance of a mother and father in a child's development outweigh those that support it. There's research on both sides, and you can't just erase what is biological and natural and has been the tried and tested family structure for all of human history

[@innitbruv-lascocomics9910]

@@endthelogin But then you have no source to support your information or perspective except anecdotes. All anecdotes can and probably have been conflicted with the second multiple people in the room with different perspectives exist.

[@innitbruv-lascocomics9910]

@@bishbosh4815 The thing is....Noone is erasing heterosexuality households. They will exist and continue to exist for all eternity so why is the minority of households now shunned and disapproved due to they're slightly different, non-harmful functionalities.

[@cqurt]

elizabeth running to the stools when the prompt was “the way i was parented made me feel safe and seen” made my day. it really gives me hope for the future.

[@tramarthomas6105]

I need a complication of contestants breaking into sprints LOL

[@ferwoodz]

[@TheBarbequeKid]

Made me mad, people like that do

[@Queenderrik]

Yeah same I have 2 dads like Elizabeth

[@loveisthekey7]

Same... I like her. I'm rooting for her. So much ignorance... They sound like conservative echo chambers.

[@noahkowalski9231]

“I don’t care about studies” imediately disenfranchised him in my mind. He has no basis of logic to me now.

[@ferrb97]

“Studies mean nothing to me” LOL Mike is insufferable, I feel so bad for his kids

[@nanciee2844]

Lmao factss

[@dansmodacct]

ugh I know!!

[@Griot.7294]

Rare for a Liberal to complain about someone not validating studies

[@ivy2455]

went straight to the comments after he said that lol people like him should not be allowed to reproduce

[@odalytorres89]

poor little girls that are getting spanked by their father

[@plourde98]

I was always taught telling adopted kids their parents aren’t their “real parents” was horribly cruel and untrue. Guess these peoples parents weren’t so great bringing them up after all

[@SomeRandomAustralian]

to be fair they aren’t their biological parents and in a sense aren’t their real parents, but they’re doing everything a parent should be and basically are. There is a difference but using that in any negative way will always be horrible and should be looked down at.

[@khevsuri3527]

@@SomeRandomAustralian Everyone knows they're not real parents. Is it really necessary to be so hung up on that fact and constantly remind people of that, especially the adoptees? You think they need a reminder?

[@SomeRandomAustralian]

@@khevsuri3527 this is exactly what I’m saying, everybody knows that they are not their real parents that is the truth and a fact. You shouldn’t be attacked for pointing out facts, only if you use them in a malicious or harmful way (the examples you gave). you do not get to decide when talking about adopted parents is appropriate, neither do I, that’s up to those involved in adoption.

[@plourde98]

@@SomeRandomAustralian a parent is not determined by biology. It’s determined by who raised you and fed u and was there for you. So weird to have to teach someone that, kids usually learn that pretty early on.

[@o_o-lj1ym]

@@khevsuri3527 THIS! This is exactly what these conservatives need to hear for almost every social issue. Yes they know they’re adopted, yes they know they’re biological sex, yes they know how serious assault allegations are etcetera. They’re just bullies for always bringing it up. It is not genius and profound or “speaking the facts” to bring it up to people every second. They are not smart. They are just bullies.

[@maybeitsasecret]

I am BEGGING Jubilee to define some of these words and concepts to the panel since they continue to use everyday people for these conversations.

[@dreyes397]

seriously but honestly people interpret these questions so differently even when you define it. These statements are so broad they are open to interpretation and words having several meanings already adds to the complexity

[@stephenlindsay3792]

I struggle with a lot of them because they're phrased as though they're really simple yes/no and you're expected to take a side on the spot, but they never are that black and white

[@nikhilnagboth8425]

@@dreyes397 At least provide the literal google definition for some context

[@RebeccaDhillon]

Yes! Like they kept confusing boundaries with regulations/rules

[@davidholm4999]

"You're missing something cuz you have two dads" "What am I missing?" "We don't know you, so we don't know what you're missing" Come on...

[@Itsnotjuulia]

Austin saying he would spank his daughter for doing something that would hurt her, THEN GOES AND HURTS HER A DIFFERENT WAY?!?!?! How do they not see this

[@amandalupacchino6728]

That part really bugged me

[@couponingwithnikita9374]

If your child doesn’t understand to not mess with the stove or get close to something dangerous for example after being told multiple times bc they don’t know the consequences. Then yeah I rather give a quick spank to let them kno if you get close to them this will happen.

[@mastergintoki7]

​@@couponingwithnikita9374nah let your kid get burned or break and arm if they aren't listening. Not Julia is so intelligent and has spoken. Please trust her!

[@BraelynneCarnes]

@@couponingwithnikita9374 so… physically injure your child to prevent them from being physically injured… got it.

[@n7iyah]

@@couponingwithnikita9374 see this makes 0 sense. Let the child experience the burn from the stove if it gets to the point where they don't listen. They will LEARN that it hurts. No need to hurt a child so they don't get hurt?

[@kayleyberkey10]

that poor girl expressing that she loves and appreciates having two dads and is so concrete on the fact that she’s not missing out without having a mother figure and the conservatives trying to force her to believe otherwise. so strange

[@thenamelessjeffrey6472]

She thinks she isn't screwed up and others with fathers and mothers are.

[@billyboops56]

@@thenamelessjeffrey6472 Not at all what she said.

[@aleidalg]

And they have the audacity to talk about 'indoctrination'...

[@luxitos2867]

​@thenamelessjeffrey6472 She didn't say that, at all.

[@ATHTSupply]

@@billyboops56 But she did allude to that. She said that the most messed up people she knows come from a household with a mother and father. And all the same sex 2 parent households she knows everyone is fine.

[@Sinamonbun]

I’m so confused how they can say not having a mom is a horrible thing. Like you can have a mom and a dad and still only have 1 or 0 parents who love you, like having 2 parents of any gender who love you is a beautiful and wonderful thing.

[@cindyjoy6938]

There's so much in this episode. One thing i always say is sex ed should be taught at ALL ages, BUT the conversation changes with age. Alsoooo teacher's sometimes have 50 plus kids they gotta care for. They try their best to please all and be kind. But you can't please everyone and their mamma 🤷‍♂️

[@evelynanderson6016]

We do not spank or hit our slap employees for doing a bad job or for messing up. We don’t hit our wives/husbands for messing up. “We do it out of love” So why are we doing this on children that are literally learning the world. That’s literally abuse so why would you not hit your wife/husband, why would you hit your own child

[@cyb3rsvng]

exactly! if it's looked down upon to put your hands on an adult then why not a child?

[@Drewhumes]

If you mess up in the real world (depending on the mess up) you go to jail. Hitting your kid should never be a first resort, but it can be necessary for some kids that other methods don’t work on if the kid is deliberately disobeying what the parent is saying. In the real world u get 1 chance.

[@leondelafonte]

You can fire your employees; can't fire a kid. Spanking should be the final bar for a kid. They need to know that there's a line that should they choose to cross, knowing the consequences, can catch an asswhooping.

[@hello-nr2jz]

Sometimes children are brats and they need to have consequences. If a kid keeps doing a bad thing over and over and over again, then spanking would come up as a last resort.

[@xQueenofnothing]

Raw said it, and it’s true, at a certain point hitting means nothing. It doesn’t teach a kid that something is wrong. It teaches them that if their parents catch them doing it, they’ll be in trouble

[@salvador3102]

It's crazy how Aldo kinda used Elizabeth's same-sex household as a punching bag, bringing it back even after the topic was over and she had already cried.

[@kyleg2756]

uh based.

[@Rin22730]

Don't go into a debate if you're going to cry

[@useryyyyy2837]

@@Rin22730bro wut😭 the people around her reminded her of the trauma she had been thru by the things they were saying. human emotion is normal dumbass.

[@himwhoisnottobenamed5427]

@@Rin22730 The point of this is to discuss things. Not be a shitsucker who makes people cry by ragging on the same topic after its been discussed.

[@roosy6192]

@@Rin22730only it’s not a debate it’s middle ground :)

[@avaspencer7368]

Carmen saying that sex ed should come from the family while also describing how her family did not do any kind of sex. Ed with her is pretty hilarious. You might think that it should come from the family, but if millions of children are not getting it from their family then it's our school systems job to educate them where their parents have failed

[@emiliea4577]

@KHY 001 What ava is saying is that regardless of what she would have wanted, every child doesn't have their parents talking about sex related topics with them, they don't systematically feel safe about discussing that topic with their parents. So the question is : where do they find that knowledge

[@basetani]

imagine shaming a child of a healthy same-sex relationship when you yourself had bad opposite gender parents? just proves her point? she was raised better lmfao she aint missing out on anything babe

[@nataliamuchova]

Elizbeth at 1:05:27 said it perfectly👏: "It's the job of the parent to make sure the child can come to them for anything and everything, and overall love. Why would you teach a child that that person would hit them?"

[@KarlSnarks]

She's wiser at her age than all conservative parents combined.

[@xylo5750]

@Default and the only way you can get discipline is by spanking?

[@deborahd9168]

@Default you can discipline without having the need to be physically abusive.

[@svalk666]

​@Default the literature is crystal clear on this -- corporal punishment is harmful in the short and long term, and there's no excuse for it when there are so many other tools at parents' disposal. That's why it's straight up illegal in more and more countries. It's abuse.

[@notwerkinginthishouse8634]

​@default8198 Hope you dont become a parent if you truly think that way

[@jaelynnmarie_13]

“i don’t care about the studies, studies mean nothing to me” that was absolutely BONKERS lol

[@maiat2790]

Mike was insufferable

[@justalpha9138]

​@@maiat2790He was. His kids are gonna be SO damaged because of him, just you wait. 😢

[@elir6405]

I was heated when Aldo said, “We shouldn’t set up a system in which children are intentionally put in homes that are fatherless or motherless”. Whether it be a same-sex couple, heterosexual couple, or single parent wanting to adopt a child; they’re all providing a child with a home. They’re giving that child something that’s, hopefully, better than what they were previously enduring. I guess my whole point is as long as the children are being taken care of and loved in a safe environment, then that’s what truly matters. My mom was a single parent and I believe she did a great job as a parent.

[@aconfusedcookie4615]

LITERALLY. Like how privileged do u have to be to not see that? There are an insane amount of kids in the foster system who end up either homeless, missing, dead, in jail, being trafficked, etc. and they think that just bc its two dads, two moms, or a single parent, thats worse somehow?? The kid having a roof over their head, someone to take care of them and making sure the kid eats,sleeps,BATHES is worse???? make it make sense

[@danielleking6840]

I can’t agree more with what you said. My mom and I were better off just us. Sometimes things don’t work out and honestly my mom was amazing, I pray I am half the parent she was and is to me. I am a Veteran, home owner and professionally successful. My mom did a great JOB!

[@user-hi3jr2sc6z]

Props to you mom! Raising a child is not easy, especially while being a single parent

[@sumarianprince]

Naah having a loving mom and a dad is better than having only one parent or having gay parents.

[@mistuyy]

for single adoptive parents it stems from the statistics on single biological parents. but yeah there’s no statistics on same sex ans same sex parents cannot be biological, it is hard to make a decision about whether it would be ok or not

[@maddisonmarriott3605]

I genuinly hate the question about if a kids better off with with both parents. Its such a disrespectful question to ALL the single parents out there.

[@artsandstuffo4564]

Not really it’s just stating fact. A single house hold is not better that a 2 percent house hold

[@HuongThu-zn6sz]

@@artsandstuffo4564ok, first ,sorry for your loss Second : Don't take your life situation and apply it to everyone else. Not everyone with two parents is happy and single parents are not happy.

[@Oberkobold]

When the dude talked about spanking his daughter and linking it with the thought of "understanding" my jaw dropped. How can someone not pick up on how unbelievably harmful that connection is... By doing this, you're actively teaching your child that violence can be used as a way to "make someone understand".

[@isabellevlach5662]

everything he had to say made me gasp. I hope his kids are okay

[@Tayaaaaamaiarii]

FOR REAL I couldn’t believe it! He wants to hurt his daughter in order to teach her not to hurt herself? It makes no sense

[@heartbroken6575]

Excellent point.

[@iwonthesitatebitch.570]

yup and he'll still be shocked pikachu face when his daughters end up in relationships with abusive and domineering men lmfao,,, just like he was in his previous interactions with women

[@flipperboy2754]

@@isabellevlach5662 everything? U hope his kids are okay? I’m liberal nd against spanking but u are reeeaaaching

[@thebaddestalive]

26:45 I love how Erik comforts Elizabeth like as if she was his daughter, shows how much he cares about her. His daughters are lucky to have him as a father!

[@fightfear3979]

Those women children are lucky to have them as moms because they seem like level headed people.

[@davidkarlc1643]

she’s crying over nothing…

[@thebaddestalive]

@@davidkarlc1643 I’m pretty sure that nobody in the room said that her having two dads is “wrong.” But clearly she’s been through trauma and has been told awful things about her family. Nobody wants to hear such bad things about their family from other people.

[@davidkarlc1643]

@@thebaddestalive yea but you can’t say that you don’t care and then sit up there and cry like a little kid

[@ignacioherrera1006]

@@davidkarlc1643 If you haven't noticed, she is a kid

[@Kat-99]

8:00 my mom let me dress myself from 4 upward. She didn’t care if I looked like a fool. I went through tomboy phases, girly phases, as I got older goth phases. She just let me do whatever, and just always told me to love myself and do what makes me happy. I now have a strong sense of self

[@trixicenby999]

That sounds like wonderful parenting:)

[@lemonadelemon1960]

That's great. If my mom let me dress myself I would leave the house in my holloween costume everyday. (She hid it) 🤣

[@traviscrabill5306]

Relative to topic, yet irrelevant to you as a person: You say "my mom", Was she a single parent or traditional 2 parent family you were raised in? Next, do you identify as "straight male" (heterosexual)?

[@Kat-99]

@@traviscrabill5306 I was raised in a traditional 2 parent household and I’m a woman. Curious to see where you’re going with this

[@traviscrabill5306]

@@Kat-99 Again, relative to topic but not personally. Are you a gay woman or a straight woman?

[@urbloodyvalentine3024]

the guy saying he wants to spank his kids every time they do something "bad" or throw a tantrum is highly concerning😭

[@reecye]

It pissed me off so much how they treated Elizabeth. She is living proof of her point and yet they still are so stuck in their ways. Homophobia is so rampant it even extends to the children of same-sex couples. I hope her whole family is doing well. I commend her on how well she handled that whole situation. I would be fuming. I already am fuming and I don't even have same-sex parents.

[@couponingwithnikita9374]

I don’t think it’s homophobia. There’s just a different love/experience/security with a mother and father.

[@reecye]

@@couponingwithnikita9374 saying that a child would be "lacking" in some sort of experience by having single sex parents (despite the subject to the parenting - the child - telling you that this is false) implies that mothers & fathers have some inherent, biological traits that differentiate their parenting styles. Which is the basis to all misogynistic and homophobic thinking. It all derives back to ignorance and prejudice. There is nothing a father can do for a child that a mother can't, vice versa.

[@couponingwithnikita9374]

@@reecye it’s not homophobic thinking. Never said they shouldn’t adopt. All I said was It’s not the same as being raised with a mom and a dad. The gay dad just said he has to ask other women to speak to her about her period. What about when she gets pregnant? She can’t even ask her dads for tips. Also unless she has a girly gay dad, she won’t experience certain things that women like to do. Yeah she can do them w her dad but it’s not the same experience. Women are nurtures

[@L2-L2]

Doesn't matter how you feel, mothers and fathers are fundamental in the upbringing of a child. There is no other bond that can fill that void. You're delusional if you think otherwise

[@AspireGMD]

@@L2-L2 So, what do you say to the people who were raised in same-sex households that are currently thriving in nearly every category, far more than most straight-couples children? Do they simply not exist?

[@mrskaga1958]

It's nutty to look someone who has two same sex parents and tell them "oh you missed out" as they are trying to tell you they are happy and loved and don't feel as if they missed anything. Literally bat $hit insane-

[@aarjo8258]

It seriously is. Not to mention their inability to accept that you could supplement a mother/father with a similar figure in their life. Would it be 100% the same? No. But it's like buying a drill from Walmart as opposed to Home Depot. You still have that tool, doesn't matter where you got it from.

[@ripztubig4457]

The same guy has a podcast where he regularly has people like Nick Fuentes and Gavin McInnes as guests. The guy isn't just batshit insane, but also fraternizes with literal neonazis/white supremecists.

[@capitalcharmxl]

because they dont know any different until they go out into the world. sons with two mothers will 100% wish they had that father son bond.

[@drilltime1237]

I CANT BELIEVE NO ONE INTERUPTED ANDSAID "HOW DARE YOU" ABSOLUTE COWARDS

[@ripztubig4457]

@@capitalcharmxl source: Trust me bro

[@jennieo7068]

my heart broke for Elizabeth. for her OWN life experiences to be invalidated whilst simultaneously being told her family was inherently wrong blows me mind. Continuously reminding them that she was in fact loved and cared for wholeheartedly by her dads and still being ignored. being told she was still definitely “missing out” by not having a mother by the same people who later revealed that they had broken relationships with their own mother is COMICAL.

[@uchennanwogu2142]

Yes it is wrong to invalidate her, but having a mother and father has been shown to raise better children.

[@BroJo676]

@@uchennanwogu2142 Nobody is invalidating her experience. People are rightfully invalidating the preposterous statement/idea that children don't need a father and a mother and she got butthurt because she knows it's the truth.

[@TaeDawgMadFresh]

The invalidation came from her saying she didn’t miss out from not having a mom because that’s simply wrong. Nobody can replace the love you receive from a mom growing up

[@faf_Sal825]

@@BroJo676 Exactly, you can't burry the truth for so long. Once you miss a puzzle piece, you'll keep on searching for it until you find and solve it. And that's what she'll not realize now.

[@uchennanwogu2142]

@@BroJo676 I agree

[@miaomiaou_]

I was spanked as a kid (I’m black so ofc), but I would never spank my children. Austin’s anecdote and reasoning of spanking his child makes no sense to me. He warns his daughter that she could hurt herself, then she disobeys so then he hurts her himself?? Where’s the logic? It’s not respect, it’s fear you’ve instilled in your children, and it certainly can impair the relationship. It did for me :/

[@anotherday-anotherslay]

and then he proceeds to actually have a conversation with the kid. if he can't do that without hurting the kid first, that feels really wrong yk?

[@nskdhekahgfd]

Sometimes I feel like people like that just feel like hurting someone for their own twisted desires-

[@inesarif8497]

It made no sense like shouldn’t he have just had a discussion with her about why she shouldn’t have done that but instead resorts to hurting her? Like it made me feel kind of disgusted when he talked about it ngl. I know that’s his own parenting but still it freaked me out

[@michelelindor]

@@inesarif8497 literally like a conditioning for “training” his daughter.

[@safirak7988]

I was spanked a couple of times as a kid. Not as a rule, more of a last resort of a very frustrated single mom. I don't remember why it happened, I just remember being spanked. I think that really tells you something about spanking "teaching" your kid something. Of course, I am just talking about myself, but that's what the conservatives did too.

[@chrishansen8119]

The conservatives invalidating Elizabeth's family and they way she was raised is especially hilarious when the conservatives talk about the terrible relationships they have with their hetero parents, while she's praising her two fathers and is clearly very proud of them.

[@Harty2018]

She’s coping

[@SenatorDodo09]

@@Harty2018 damn, you really know her, huh?

[@joshmitchell2287]

Invalidating is so often a weirdly used concept, this is a discussion, people should provide you baseline respect, not simple validation of whatever your stated experience is on the topic. I agree with you otherwise though, sounds like she had loving and supporting parents, and a lot of the guy's points were a bit weak in that back and forth.

[@sam5992]

@@Harty2018 you're projecting

[@panpan9861]

@@Harty2018 🤓

[@hoyounlee9193]

"no one said it in this room, but the world says it." -Elizabeth making actual points while the straight adults are saying they don't believe in statistics and discrediting science (at the same time pointing to "biology" for most of the points they tried to make)

[@fippylol]

“statistics mean nothing to me” meaning i have no argument and im losing

[@hoyounlee9193]

@@fippylol fr

[@pepethefrog2]

the clownery is realll

[@graceelmu]

Stats mean nothing to me and why are we teaching our kids earth science...

[@kayluvsmusic1121]

@@graceelmu i literally died at that😭

[@Sky-kf4fh]

i don’t agree with hitting kids. it creates trauma. i was pushed against walls, my mom would then dig her nails into me, slap me, kick me and lock me in my room with no food. i still can’t forgive her for those things 8 years later

[@bonelesschickenwings]

The mother conversation is disgusting. My mom did not have any sort of natural or nurturing connection to me. She was abusive and a drug addict. I saw my grandma as a true mother to me and i still do. I would have GLADLY been taken care of by a loving home with 2 dads.

[@tinyfire7769]

Though my mother is not a drug addict she was a gambler/smoker and heavily abusive when I was younger to the point my blood boils when I look at the women now. I agree, idc what parents you give me. 2 moms, 2 dads, it does not matter as long as they love me and care for me.

[@roadworkaheadsign3707]

Exactly this

[@wockyslush666]

cry

[@everythingviral972]

Well the drugs are the answer to why your mom sucked. Drugs destroy people.

[@alantes]

The black guy is insufferable. He sounds extremely dense and slow. He had no father; a shitty relationship w/ this mom b/c the woman most likely had to work all the time; and now he is resentful, dim-witted and clueless. Societally, he is a discard and nothing more.

[@danbridges4755]

I bet that girl's two fathers are so proud of her because I definitely am.

[@lynxdani11]

1:10:41 this was just absolutely adorable and precious, one of the most wholesome things I’ve seem today haha, shes like ‘YEAH MY DADS LOVE ME >:D ‘

[@silentghost751]

Why

[@raynerays]

@@silentghost751 why wouldn't they be?

[@silentghost751]

@@raynerays why would they be? One’s not even her actual parent

[@raynerays]

@@silentghost751 so what 💀 don't understand how u think they wouldn't be

[@kiiamarie3881]

You can’t hit someone with love 😳 that’s such a weird concept. You can literally correct children in so many ways.

[@drilltime1237]

u have no kids, and the rest of the world would laugh at this comment lmfaooo

[@iwonthesitatebitch.570]

they're just lazy nd want to pretend like losing their patience beating their children is something to be admired or accepted

[@dorte3791]

@@drilltime1237 The “ rest of the world “ wouldn’t agree with you

[@WalterBFBooby]

Getting spanked when I was a kid just made me avoid going to my parents if I needed help.

[@nyctophillia2312]

@@WalterBFBooby there’s a huge difference between being spanked and beating. Especially if the parent doesn’t explain the reasoning as to why you’re being punished and if it’s reasonable. In other words, yes you can spank your child out of love and discipline as long as there is logic and reasoning behind it. 😇 hope that helps

[@loveisthekey7]

I wish I had two dads or moms. My household growing up was terrible. I could have benefited from being loved by any human.

[@rainstorm.]

and that’s all that matters for kids. they just need loving parents.

[@jakethorsteinson7122]

Elizabeth running at the end had me SOBBING!!! I’m so proud of her parents

[@abigailbroer5481]

As a child that was spanked I can confirm it did affect me I grew up being terrified of my father and to this day I shut down if someone gets mad at me because I am scared to be hit, these people saying they dont think that spanking is abuse have a very warped perception of abuse because they were spanked and in their head it became something that was normalized for them. It scares me to this day if my partner is walking behind me and playfully hits me on the butt I get scared because not only does my mind hold that trauma but my body does as well. Not to mention when you are that young you dont understand why you are being hit by the people who are supposed to love me.

[@alcik_palcik]

I feel for you and wish you the best

[@kadiecarrell3959]

I still flinch when someone walks behind me without giving me a reason

[@dribq]

i flinch almost every time my parents go to change the radio. they dont understand how it affects and has effected me and my four sisters mentally

[@corablah9809]

​@@novaaadivine there isn't a difference. Only until very recently in the US, was it no longer the social norm for our husbands to discipline us for our poor behavior. That was considered fully okay, acceptable, and necessary, just like spanking is seen. Physical abuse, inflicting fear, life or death, biting, smacking, ripping a 1 year olds hair out for pulling your hair, it's all BEYOND unnecessary. As a mother of three, it's so sad that people just accept abuse and excuse it. I guarantee a lot of your interpersonal relationships, your mental health, your communication, is all effected by the abuse you experienced. The effects on the brain have been proven, time and time again, all over the world, repetitive results, that it is detrimental to mental development.

[@dominiquepopinski4675]

Grow up

[@ma_kenz]

“If we’re gonna normalize same-sex households, we will have a very difficult reproduction issue down the line.” Ma’am, the DROWNING foster care system proves we already have a difficult reproduction issue 🙃

[@Jeremy-wp4yh]

Thats not the point. Gay couples are choosing surrogacy. Look at the statistics.

[@apriljoy5754]

This part‼️

[@xavlionheart]

Those are abandoned kids that were already born. Try again start with where babies come from and work your way from there 🧠

[@arkatheistcc2353]

@@xavlionheart not very bright are ya.

[@Eskey4]

@@xavlionheart Wow, I never thought that someone could miss the point so much, but you proved me wrong

[@sovandeprins2663]

Love how quite a few of the conservatives who said you HAVE to have a mom and a dad later admit that they have terrible relationships with one or both of their parents... But the girl with two loving dads is the one who is missing out and has a bad family?? 😂

[@msnthrpchmn]

Austin: My mom never spoke to me. I had no one. also Austin: You’re missing out on having a mom. 💀

[@thenewnationpodcast]

That's exactly why he would say that. You're not very bright are you?

[@KKFilms-pq4xi]

@@thenewnationpodcast Sir, you aren’t doing yourself any favors by saying that.

[@lilyjaiswal7149]

@@thenewnationpodcast neither are you apparently lol

[@g0t230]

💀 I wonder why he said that

[@owen3721]

@@thenewnationpodcast Buddy, teach your kids about earth science and not Genesis before you question someone else's intelligence.

[@vvvvvvvooova]

Just wanna thank jubilee for changing the length of these videos. Such topics deserve to be discussed for a longer amount of time than just 15 minutes. Really waiting for the next episode of middle ground. Keep up the great work, jubilee

[@matthn64]

100% agreed

[@tjmcavoy-jensen871]

@@matthn64yes I like the long Non edited versions, it was annoying when they would cut stuff out when it got heated

[@KitKat-is5qg]

One of the spanking answers was so odd. Dad to daughter: "Do not climb things because you can fall and hurt yourself" Daughter: *climbs latter* Dad: "Okay time to hurt you myself!" It's a weird way to think. Is it not better to allow the child to fall (obviously if it is not dangerous, maybe make the dangerous place safer by adding pillows on the floor) so that they understand the consequences to their own actions?

[@inkeriananas]

Exactly

[@willarroz6703]

And then he says later in the video that he dosnt remember the last time he did it after just explaining it to us 😑😩🤔🫣😂

[@AFIXFORNIX]

It's not really better. And you can't make always make it safer. Even what you think is safe, can still lead to an injury. I broke my wrist when I jumped from a high pile of mattresses, and landed on another mattress. But I twisted in the air and landed awkwardly with my hand behind my back, so I had to get my wrist in a cast for 1 month. It was terrible because I missed a national championship I trained really hard for, and having a cast in August is super sweaty and scratchy. In retrospective, I wish I got spanked and avoided all of this. Even in the ladder case, it's not only about adding pillow. He also needed to remove all other furniture around. Because if she fell from a ladder and hit her head on a desk/table/closet/chair, on the way down, she could have died before she reached the pillows. I don't have issue that my mom spanked me when I tried to run into a main road in rush hour, or when I wanted to test how hot is a hot stove by putting my hand on it. I'm actually very happy she didn't let me "learn by experiencing".

[@tierefuerimmer9635]

For the record, I'm liberal on the political spectrum but in some cases I do believe in spanking within reason like if a kid is going out of their to be extremely disrespectful and starts to hit you, yes I do believe in spanking in that case. I do think it should be a last resort though if time outs and withholding privileges aren't working

[@alexanderthegreat101]

It would make more sense to just take the kid off and redirect them. And then when they’re able to have a calm conversation sit down and explain to them again why not to climb it

[@Gayboy21]

🤦🏻‍♂️ these people are obsessed with having a mom and dad You don’t need both a mom and dad to be a functioning member of society, there’s plenty of kids with heterosexual parents who either turn out fine or bad 🤷🏻‍♂️ Having a mom and dad doesn’t guarantee the child would turn out great

[@hollyjollyproductions]

I want to give Elizabeth a hug, I have felt those same emotions. I was raised by two moms. It sucks to be told that there's something wrong with your parents for loving and raising you. I sometimes think folks with two dads are treated this way more. Big love and solidarity to Elizabeth and all my fellow queerspawn.

[@everythingviral972]

I just wanted to tell her to stop her sniveling and grow up. You're a big girl now, sweetheart.

[@sativadivaxo]

@@everythingviral972you severely lack empathy and it’s disgusting

[@stran2323]

​@@everythingviral972 I understand where she's coming from. You can't expect someone to hold up their emotions all the time, nor should you expect them to be strong no matter what. And the fact that she broke down or cried doesn't mean that she's weak or immature, it means she's human. All of us had cried or broken down at some point in our lives.

[@Sodapop-gi4bu]

@Muhammad Hassan Ok

[@Friendlyrat_]

@@MuhammadHassan-hi6fc crying is natural to our bodies to release stress, not only babies, you’re being silly

[@joshuafenty5621]

The way the Conservative Parents were so incredibly disrespectful for the entirety of the Mother and Father part is so crazy Lol.

[@raven6648]

its so sad to see that the 'queer' parents just talk about how they want to empower, love, accept, and build up their children, while the 'conservative' parents, although they say they love and empower their children, they end up contradicting themselves 2 sentences later by saying how they control, spank, and threaten their children.

[@reallyrocc4546]

So the rainbow people don't discipline their children either? Wow that's some real soft💩 but everyone wants to control their kids your standards are just different there's always going to be something that if a parent seen their kid doing they would intervene and stop some people it stops at homo others it stops somewhere else

[@silentghost751]

Blind acceptance isn’t love

[@Siksama]

@@silentghost751yes it is. Unconditional love is literally the number one priority of a parent since birth, it is basically one of the few rules of parenting.

[@evalisseblooms]

yes it is learn a little bit bro its 2023@@silentghost751

[@quincy9908]

​@Siksuki Unconditional love isn't a real thing. Even if you think you love something unconditionally, you don't. Why do you love this kid, specially? Because it's yours. Whether it be yours through birth, adoption, or even just knowing them. There are always conditions.

[@gabrielneira5159]

When they kept invalidating that girl’s feelings about having two dads and not needing a mom, my blood boiled damnnnn

[@tightadenadecimal9625]

That's what she went through in school being bullied her entire life so before thinking about being a parent in a queer household think of the kids and what they will face why have kids if you queer it's weird

[@nl6731]

​@@tightadenadecimal9625maybe straight parents should teach their kids not to bully people

[@dathunderman4]

@@tightadenadecimal9625I’m Asian and kids used to bully me in elementary school for being Asian. I guess Asian people just shouldn’t reproduce then, huh?

[@derekwitthar]

Bring Raw back for more. Her opinions clearly come from deep introspection. Sis has thought about these things before, deeply, and can communicate with confidence and conviction.

[@aneleszemog9093]

Absolutely, I loved everything she said

[@derekwitthar]

@@t.n.tforever3400 we must be talking about a different person because Raw was cool, and level headed throughout, her thoughts were logical and well thought out

[@t.n.tforever3400]

@@derekwitthar In the beginning she derailed the topic and made it about herself no one was talking about sex queer transgender homosexual but she turned the conversation into that in order to support her own belief. Which is something a lot of people from that community do they need other people to affirm them or to confirm that their beliefs are OK. Now I will say that for the remainder of the conversation she did listen to other people's views she was very concise in the way that she spoke she did become more respectful as the conversations carried on I don't want to take that from her and I wouldn't say don't bring her back. She did give a lot of valid points and there were things that she did say that I agreed with. I just don't like when people Change the narrative of the conversation and get away from the original topic that was presented. It's just like the other girl with 2 dads she didn't want to accept the fact that the bond between a mother and a daughter is irreplaceable. To the point where she got emotional because she wasn't being affirmed in the fact that she was OK with having 2 dads. That people telling her that her life is messed up makes her cry like you shouldn't care what other people think if you love both your dads then you should be fine with both of your dads. I get that some things are a sensitive topic For some people however being emotionally in control is important when you're trying to discuss topics. Like raw for instance she was getting emotional at certain points within the debate however she eventually gained control over herself and was able to articulate herself very well. So I'll definitely delete my comment that I posted earlier because I realized I was wrong for saying that we shouldn't bring her back. Just like if someone says I don't want to tell my children that it's OK to be different than who you are you shouldn't be getting upset and getting loud with them for their views and beliefs no one yelled or screamed at them for being queer or transgender or having 2 dads but they felt that they need to get loud and yell at the other people for having views. At the end of the day I did feel that everybody ended on a very positive note and everybody for the most part was respectful but I think that if you look at college debates they give you a perfect example of what a true debate looks like. No one has to call someone crazy or call them names in order to prove their point they simply just state facts you don't have to talk over someone that's why I like college debates because each side gets their time to speak.

[@praxisdragon]

Minus her juvenille transphobia and saying she doesn't care about peoples pronouns.

[@praxisdragon]

@@aneleszemog9093 even the transphobia?