Do Latter Day Saints and Christians Worship the Same God?

[@CrossExamined]

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[@mikeb6826]

@@CrossExamined once again a preacher trying to sell books to make money in the name of Jesus!

[@outof_obscurity]

Frank I hope you'll consider that One in Hebrew means unity or compound unity. Jesus prayed in John 17 we'd all be one with he and the father, Adam said a man and wife are One flesh. The word used is ichad or compound unity. So even with all of us there'd still be One God, even under your perspective. In other words I was told by Protestants "don't think of the Trinity as 1+1+1=3 it's actually 1×1×1=1" so to Jesus prayer it's actually "1×1×1×1♾️=1" so that's the same even in your denomination. Also if I join you you'll tell me how to be born again and read the bible. Well if I read Romans 8 it says in redemption we become joint heirs with Christ. Do you believe that? Yes. OK and 1 Corinthians 15 Paul says we are made immortal in resurrection. Do you believe that? Well then if you're an immortal redeemed joint heir with Christ who wants you to be One with Him and the father what does that make you? It means you believe the same thing. And if you still deny it then you have a form of Godliness but deny the power thereof. All for you to consider. It's still the same thing between the two. You're looking for counterfeits in the wrong places and still believe the same thing at the end of the day. 😁👍

[@boris8787]

We must be *BORN AGAIN* - first physical birth then spiritual birth to enter into the Kingdom of God. John 3:7 & John 3:36.

[@GloryBeToGodForever]

Amen!

[@Mavors1099]

@@boris8787 that doesn't even make sense.

[@WadeSmith-oe5xd]

The concept of being Born Again is absolutely not taught in the Law of Moses nor in any of the Prophets. Tjhe prophets taught that if you did not obey the Ten commandments from birth to death you were evil and you were going to hell. It literally tells you that in Isaiah and Ezekiel. Moreover, Ezekiel directly rebuked the doctrine of Original Sin and said tht absolutely was not true. Your fake pastors claim to be speaking for God and teach complete balsphemy and nonsense.

[@baldwinthefourth4098]

"Born again" just means baptism.

[@Desert-edDave]

@@baldwinthefourth4098 This is hermeneutically inaccurate. John 3:3 points to Ezekiel 36:26.

[@777Witness]

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[@TheRawKeyPets]

Read Genesis 1:29. The Lord wants you to heal but we can only heal our physical body if we return to how we were created. God created us to eat only fruits, salads, nuts and seeds. The further we stray from the foods he gave us in the garden the more physical discomfort we experience. God gave us self healing bodies but we have to stop poisoning our body in order for the healing to outpace the destruction our wrong food choices create. To learn more go to the website The Raw Key and search natural diet and read the article “What is the Natural Human Diet”, then type in “disease” and read the 14 part series on disease. If you do you will know everything God wants you to know to use the healing power he gave you.

[@ChristopherJames1984]

I prayed for you, brother or sister. God be with you always. ❤😊

[@stephenm8233]

Nope. Paul said if he or anyone preached a different Gospel, let them be damned. Mormonism twists the Gospel into something that denies its fundamental principles. The Mormon faith cannot save.

[@stormykeep9213]

Exactly. And to add to that, Paul said even if an angel from heaven preaches a different gospel than what Jesus has given, let them be damned. Mormonism came to Joseph Smith from an angel. Just like Islam came to Muhammed. What angel? Would almost certainly be Satan. He's not an ugly, pitchfork-carrying dude in a red suit...He's the most beautiful angel of all, and the father of lies.

[@HaleStorm49]

We've had the different gospel since 200 AD - You think the Galatians couldn't keep it straight with Paul in their midst but YOUR pastor can? uhm kay.

[@Stupidityindex]

Is there a greater arrogance than expressing you have some sort of relationship with a deity? Question: How can you possibly take faith seriously? How can anyone in their right mind ask others to believe in the existence of a Deity who makes Mormons so Christians will know how Jews feel, having had their literature hijacked. Nothing fails like prayers in a children's hospital & indoctrinating children is criminal. The faith vocabulary causes the user to be avoided like the old woman with too many cats. Faith "comes not with peace, but sword." Faith comes with wolves dressed as sheep & preaching to the choir. Faith trades the last cow for a pocketful of magic beans & then expects everyone's appreciation. Jesus said, it is a wicked generations which seeks signs such as resurrection. Faith is as worthless as fantasyland magic, since you can't tell mountains to move. The "only sign given" in reality "is Jonah": A believer murdered by other believers because he is outnumbered. The context is Jesus seeing a gathering crowd.

[@HaleStorm49]

@@Stupidityindex apparently there is a greater arrogance. Good question and better answer.

[@Charistoph]

What is the gospel that Paul preached, and how do Mormons teach otherwise? Please provide proper references.

[@vitormenezesdemattos967]

My sister made the funniest comment of Mormons not being Christians I've ever heard (and with a serious tone, wich made it funnier) "The book of Mormon is so weird. It is a poorly written fan fiction of the bible made by ppl who don't like the bible. Kinda like star wars under current lucasfilm." 😂😂😂 Love my sis

[@Charistoph]

And about as accurate as Kathleen Kennedy's take on Star Wars. It's obvious she hasn't read it if she calls it fan fiction. As such, she bears a false witness.

[@kinggenius930]

@@Charistoph What's wrong with her take?

@@Charistoph How is it wrong. Merely comparing it to something doesn't make it the same. And one can disagree with Kathleen Kennedy's take on Star Wars, but you can't say it's wrong. Both are fiction. Meanwhile, the Bible is not fiction like the original version of Star Wars is.

[@Thyalwaysseek]

Sounding very prideful there with your mockery and ridiculing of others.

@@Thyalwaysseek _Sounding very prideful there with your mockery and ridiculing of others._ As if that wasn't prideful. What if it's justified? And it's not prideful for Joseph Smith to say Christianity is wrong and he has the corrected version?

[@brotherinchrist72]

I was once in the LDS faith, from the early 1980's ~ 2000's, and I can tell you from personal experience, after falling away from that faith first, and then later in life actually spending time reading and studying the Bible, and finding true Christian pastors to listen to, my eyes were opened and discernment given by God. It was a night and day difference! Sadly, the LDS faith has had a lot of time over the years to string together very carefully and cunning word play on Bible passages and even circular reasoning in their own conferences where they try to redirect the attention of the serious issues of their core doctrine. The key to the LDS faith starts with their belief that: The Bible was corrupted and precious truths lost, and that God is nothing more than an "Exalted" man and Jesus was created through some form of celestial sex, between a heavenly father and mother, and Lucifer was also created the same way, making Jesus and Lucifer "brothers". It breaks my heart to understand the real truth of God's inerrant word, (Bible), which was never corrupted, no precious truths lost, and I have learned that no matter how much proof you give someone in the LDS faith, no matter what facts, evidence, etc, you provide, they will not believe it. Why? Because many in the LDS faith proclaim to have had many different spiritual experiences and contribute that to their LDS faith, when the Bible tells us that God helps all people and we have what is known as "common grace" as God gives us all many chances to repent and come to the one true Jesus of the Bible. Gordon B. Hinckley (one of the past prophets of the LDS faith) even openly declared that He and the LDS church does not believe in the "traditional Jesus" that Christians believe in, but then goes on to proclaim the "Jesus" they believe in is the one that was revealed to Joseph Smith Jr in the woods when they use the 1 "first vision" account (out of half a dozen first vision accounts) in which they proclaim he saw a heavenly father and Jesus, both as flesh and bone. The LDS faith has attempted to distort God's word by placing their own creative overlay and personal interpretations of select Bible passages, in order to make it fit their theology. Pray for them, for many are ending up in hell because of this, and yes, even good people who believe in any other gospel then the one already once for all delivered to us by Jesus and his apostles will send many to hell. Jesus himself warned us, to strive for the straight and narrow gate, for many will try but only few will make it.

[@AlexanderBrown77]

I lived in Utah for many years. I hope that many Mormons come to salvation. I had to learn the differences why I was a Christian, and my faith was different than Mormons. Romans 3 KJV 🩸 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 1 Corinthians 15 KJV ✝️🩸 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Galatians 1 KJV 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

[@mattr.1887]

Maybe the Book of Mormon is God's Word. And you're so badly deceived that you just can't see it. How would you know?

[@AlexanderBrown77]

@@mattr.1887 ♥️KJV is the 7th bible translated into English. Christians have the perfect word of God. Psalms 12 KJV 6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. 1 John 5 KJV 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

[@Mickbarrel]

@@AlexanderBrown77Muslims get mad at the Gal 1:8-9 verses too. I tell them the earliest manuscript we have is papyrus 46 from 200 AD and it predates the Quran by 400 years and they still don’t listen to reason.

[@callenday6853]

@@mattr.1887 I always think it's funny when mormons say this, because if you believe every word of the Bible, you shouldn't be deceived, but if you don't believe every word, you can easily be deceived. Like if your mom wrote a book about herself and some people know that every word is truth about her, but others change things and say "it's only correct as far as it's translated correctly", then they have very good chance of being deceived. What you are saying isn't the logical way to look at it.

[@MattTheBandGuy]

Ex-Mormon here. Agreed that Mormonism is polytheistic. So many teachings of the faith lead away from what is taught in the Bible.

[@phav1832]

Like when Stephen looked up as he was being stoned and saw the Father and the Son as separate beings? And when Jesus prayed to the Father? And Christ physically resurrected and Paul promised that we would all do the same? Disagree if you must, but Latter-day Saints do not lead people away from what is taught in the Bible. They clarify it.

[@JiraiyaSama86]

@@phav1832 The Book of Mormon IS NOT the Bible.

[@stephenkeen6044]

@@phav1832 All of what you just described was well explained in the Trinitarian view also, clearly and simply, well before Mormonism came along. So it clarifies nothing, but twists scripture to support unbiblical teachings.

[@blake8918]

Joseph smith was a treasure hunter, seems like he just found another way to get that booty.

[@loudogg73]

@@MattTheBandGuy Christianity is polytheistic. Trinitarian is a later cope to merge Christianity with Jewish monotheism.

[@canadiankewldude]

*_Deu 31:8 And the LORD, he it is that doth go before thee; he will be with thee, he will not fail thee, neither forsake thee: fear not, neither be dismayed._* *_- KJB_* *_2Ti _**_3:16_**_ All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:_* *_- KJB_*

[@timothy4131]

Here's the crazy thing about people saying that the word of God is corrupt God Is Bigger Than The Universe he spoke everything into existence he lives outside of time he has no beginning or no end he is all-powerful yet to some people he doesn't have enough power to keep his word pure that's just plain ridiculous

[@dakotastein9499]

Well God did willingly choose to limit his power and control over us...people manipulate his words all the time... But yes,if Christianity was indeed as "lost" as Joseph Smith claimed...God wouldn't have waited 1500 years just to pick a well known liar and braggart to speak on his behalf.

[@truthgiver8286]

Or god only exists in the minds of his followers so can only do what they are able to do (The logical answer)

[@timothy4131]

@@truthgiver8286 when you die you tell him that face to face see how far that gets you

[@truthgiver8286]

@@timothy4131 Is your mind going to be there because that's where he lives.

[@timothy4131]

@@truthgiver8286 I'll be there before him all right every person will be there before him you can deny his existence all day long you can lie yourself all day long you can make yourself feel good in your lies but at the end you still will be before God and there will be no excuse you have to pay for all the evil that you've done it will be a hard price to pay and the sad thing is it doesn't have to be like this Jesus loves you at the end of your life you can either face him as your judge or your savior it's up to you God bless you

[@carastreet4981]

This is a very important topic where I live in Utah! I was lds my entire life of 42 years when I left. I am now a Born Again Christian for the past 17 years now, and have many family still in it, but many family and friends have left the church for Biblical reasons. Wow the truth that comes out once you open your eyes and actually LEARN about the doctrine and it goes against everything Biblical. Pastors keep teaching the truth. I am in Southern Utah surrounded by great people, they are just lost like I once was. Jesus is ENOUGH!!!!

[@jessekoeven3757]

He is, but the best way to have a lasting covenant relationship with him is in the ordinances and principles of his gospel, as taught by living prophets, notndead ones.

[@SheepAmongG.O.A.T]

@@jessekoeven3757 the first problem is you believe their prophets.

[@jessekoeven3757]

@SheepAmongG.O.A.T I do, but "their" is possessive, not the conjunctive, that one is "they're"

[@SheepAmongG.O.A.T]

@@jessekoeven3757 I know the difference between the 'theirs'. Sometimes I slip. That wasn't a self reassurance thing was it? ;)

[@jessekoeven3757]

@SheepAmongG.O.A.T not at all. You did not address why I believe or why I should not believe that the same God who spoke to Moses on Sinai would not love the people of earth enough to call living oracles today to give us his living will and word to address the chaos of the world.

[@callenday6853]

As an ex-mormon and a born again believer, I can testify that if you believe in the Bible, you canNOT believe in the Book of Mormon and vice versa. NO way possible. Fundamentally through and through two completely different gospels. Opposite sides of the battle.

[@kaptnneemo6248]

Well. It's easy being saved by grace. But how Christ-like are you?

[@glennjohn3919]

As a former Mormon myself I second this.

[@callenday6853]

@@kaptnneemo6248 What does that have to do with the comment??? What a very mormon thing to do... go OFF the subject, then ask a question that isn't something a christian would say (AND use typical mormon lingo). When mormons say "christ-like", it proves they don't know how the gospel works. Back into the works of the mormon grind, and appearance of looking like Christ while spitting on His nature, gospel and children.

[@brentad2004]

So if you're a former ex-mormon are you Mormon again LOL

[@callenday6853]

@@glennjohn3919 Praise God the truth sets us free.

[@itssslashhere5245]

Short answer: Nah

[@Jackthat1]

Long answer: hell nah

[@KY-lu8bp]

@@Jackthat1 it is bit longer I guess.... 😅😅

[@TheRastacabbage]

You are correct. 'Mormons' follow scripture. 'Christians' follow the 'church fathers' and creeds

[@JadDragon]

@@TheRastacabbage Morms follow JS who is a proven fraud and abuser.

[@KY-lu8bp]

@@TheRastacabbage ? Creed itself has a Biblical tradition. It was necessary to have to defend against heretics at that time; therefore, the creed was necessary. The fact that rejecting the creed is both denying scriptural doctrine. Those extra texts that Mormons added are not scripture, and polygamy is wrong.

[@blizzard2oo]

Forget the planet idea. I am a seventy-eight yr old Latter -day Saint. I clearly am not taught the "my own planet" concept.

[@edadan]

But, you are taught that Jesus and Satan are brothers...right?

[@HaleStorm49]

@@edadan When people have the same father, typically they are considered brothers.

[@justojust]

@@HaleStorm49Jesus created lucifer. He’s no more his brother than my father is my sibling.

[@edadan]

@@HaleStorm49 As someone just posted, Satan(Lucifer) was created by Jesus. This is why you're not a Christian. You don't believe God's Word. You believe the lies of a false, man-made religion that promises to make you a God when you die. Is this not exactly what Satan wanted for himself...and the very reason that he was cast out of Heaven?

[@HaleStorm49]

@@justojust Jesus created a being of pure evil to crucify Him and lead most of humanity to hell? No wonder we have so many atheists.

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

Jesus exalts us when we trust and believe only in Him for salvation, becoming born again. John 3:3

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"Jesus exalts us" Well, he might; but what is exaltation?

[@GhostRyder2008]

Whenever talking to a Mormon, you must ALWAYS define the terms. Because what the Christian church has believed since Jesus rose from the dead about exaltation is NOT the same thing as how the Mormons use that term.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

@@GhostRyder2008 "you must ALWAYS define the terms" That spoils the fun! Hardly anyone defines "God" making it impossible to prove but also impossible to disprove.

[@GhostRyder2008]

@@thomasmaughan4798 We do it all the time. I've heard it and done it many times. I was getting at defining terms that describe God as well as theological terms like exaltation, salvation, glorification, and so on. Mormons and Christians use many of the same terms, but Mormons attribute different meanings to those terms and we end up talking past each other like the Abbott and Costello skit "Who's on First"

[@jasonnoble7302]

Seems tyrannical

[@georgeeads8689]

What else can we do to divide this country. Even we as Christians cannot unite because the Baptists, Catholics, Mormons, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, etc, etc, cannot get along.

[@redfive2008]

We generally do get along today, because we share more basic doctrine than we don't share. No more do Catholic inquisitors execute "heretic" Protestants.

[@youtube-ip]

I have a sensitive question that's important for me given my current thological studies: Knowing that you can't use tradition alone, and fear through pathos as valid points: if there were many persons who carried the title of Angel of Yhwh beside of Jesus, still fitting the echad attribute of the Shma, - would that make the Son a shared title? - if no, then would that break the concept of the Trinity, and why? I googled Conversations with the Faith, but what I found are paid lessons and resources. I am looking for free information.

[@trentitybrehm5105]

The Angel of the Lord is called God and worshipped as God, yet is a distinct person from God. [[Exodus 3:2-6]] {burning bush} And the Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. 3 Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.” 4 So when the Lord saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!” And he said, “Here I am.” 5 Then He said, “Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.” 6 Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father-the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God. [[Genesis 16:7-14]]{Hagar} Now the Angel of the Lord found her by a spring of water in the wilderness, by the spring on the way to Shur. 8 And He said, “Hagar, Sarai’s maid, where have you come from, and where are you going?” She said, “I am fleeing from the presence of my mistress Sarai.” 9 The Angel of the Lord said to her, “Return to your mistress, and submit yourself under her hand.” 10 Then the Angel of the Lord said to her, “I will multiply your descendants exceedingly, so that they shall not be counted for multitude.” 11 And the Angel of the Lord said to her: “Behold, you are with child, And you shall bear a son. You shall call his name Ishmael, Because the Lord has heard your affliction. 12 He shall be a wild man; His hand shall be against every man, And every man’s hand against him. And he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.” 13 Then she called the name of the Lord who spoke to her, You-Are-the-God-Who-Sees; for she said, “Have I also here seen Him who sees me?” 14 Therefore the well was called Beer Lahai Roi; observe, it is between Kadesh and Bered. [[Genesis 22:11-18]]{Abrahm scraficing Issac} But the Angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, “Abraham, Abraham!” So he said, “Here I am.” 12 And He said, “Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.” 13 Then Abraham lifted his eyes and looked, and there behind him was a ram caught in a thicket by its horns. So Abraham went and took the ram, and offered it up for a burnt offering instead of his son. 14 And Abraham called the name of the place, The-Lord-Will-Provide; as it is said to this day, “In the Mount of the Lord it shall be provided.” 15 Then the Angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time out of heaven, 16 and said: “By Myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son- 17 blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies. 18 In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.” [[Judges 2:1-2]] Then the Angel of the Lord came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said: “I led you up from Egypt and brought you to the land of which I swore to your fathers; and I said, ‘I will never break My covenant with you. 2 And you shall make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land; you shall tear down their altars.’ But you have not obeyed My voice. Why have you done this? [[Judges 6:11-24]]{Gideon} Now the Angel of the Lord came and sat under the terebinth tree which was in Ophrah, which belonged to Joash the Abiezrite, while his son Gideon threshed wheat in the winepress, in order to hide it from the Midianites. 12 And the Angel of the Lord appeared to him, and said to him, “The Lord is with you, you mighty man of valor!” 13 Gideon said to Him, “O my lord, if the Lord is with us, why then has all this happened to us? And where are all His miracles which our fathers told us about, saying, ‘Did not the Lord bring us up from Egypt?’ But now the Lord has forsaken us and delivered us into the hands of the Midianites.” 14 Then the Lord turned to him and said, “Go in this might of yours, and you shall save Israel from the hand of the Midianites. Have I not sent you?” 15 So he said to Him, “O my Lord, how can I save Israel? Indeed my clan is the weakest in Manasseh, and I am the least in my father’s house.” 16 And the Lord said to him, “Surely I will be with you, and you shall defeat the Midianites as one man.” 17 Then he said to Him, “If now I have found favor in Your sight, then show me a sign that it is You who talk with me. 18 Do not depart from here, I pray, until I come to You and bring out my offering and set it before You.” And He said, “I will wait until you come back.” 19 So Gideon went in and prepared a young goat, and unleavened bread from an ephah of flour. The meat he put in a basket, and he put the broth in a pot; and he brought them out to Him under the terebinth tree and presented them. 20 The Angel of God said to him, “Take the meat and the unleavened bread and lay them on this rock, and pour out the broth.” And he did so. 21 Then the Angel of the Lord put out the end of the staff that was in His hand, and touched the meat and the unleavened bread; and fire rose out of the rock and consumed the meat and the unleavened bread. And the Angel of the Lord departed out of his sight. 22 Now Gideon perceived that He was the Angel of the Lord. So Gideon said, “Alas, O Lord God! For I have seen the Angel of the Lord face to face.” 23 Then the Lord said to him, “Peace be with you; do not fear, you shall not die.” 24 So Gideon built an altar there to the Lord, and called it The-Lord-Is-Peace. To this day it is still in Ophrah of the Abiezrites. [[Judges 13:3-22]] (This one's important){Manoah and his wife, Samson's parents} And the Angel of the Lord appeared to the woman and said to her, “Indeed now, you are barren and have borne no children, but you shall conceive and bear a son. 4 Now therefore, please be careful not to drink wine or similar drink, and not to eat anything unclean. 5 For behold, you shall conceive and bear a son. And no razor shall come upon his head, for the child shall be a Nazirite to God from the womb; and he shall begin to deliver Israel out of the hand of the Philistines.” 6 So the woman came and told her husband, saying, “A Man of God came to me, and His countenance was like the countenance of the Angel of God, very awesome; but I did not ask Him where He was from, and He did not tell me His name. 7 And He said to me, ‘Behold, you shall conceive and bear a son. Now drink no wine or similar drink, nor eat anything unclean, for the child shall be a Nazirite to God from the womb to the day of his death.’ ” 8 Then Manoah prayed to the Lord, and said, “O my Lord, please let the Man of God whom You sent come to us again and teach us what we shall do for the child who will be born.” 9 And God listened to the voice of Manoah, and the Angel of God came to the woman again as she was sitting in the field; but Manoah her husband was not with her. 10 Then the woman ran in haste and told her husband, and said to him, “Look, the Man who came to me the other day has just now appeared to me!” 11 So Manoah arose and followed his wife. When he came to the Man, he said to Him, “Are You the Man who spoke to this woman?” And He said, “I am.” 12 Manoah said, “Now let Your words come to pass! What will be the boy’s rule of life, and his work?” 13 So the Angel of the Lord said to Manoah, “Of all that I said to the woman let her be careful. 14 She may not eat anything that comes from the vine, nor may she drink wine or similar drink, nor eat anything unclean. All that I commanded her let her observe.” 15 Then Manoah said to the Angel of the Lord, “Please let us detain You, and we will prepare a young goat for You.” 16 And the Angel of the Lord said to Manoah, “Though you detain Me, I will not eat your food. But if you offer a burnt offering, you must offer it to the Lord.” (For Manoah did not know He was the Angel of the Lord.) 17 Then Manoah said to the Angel of the Lord, “What is Your name, that when Your words come to pass we may honor You?” 18 And the Angel of the Lord said to him, “Why do you ask My name, seeing it is wonderful?” 19 So Manoah took the young goat with the grain offering, and offered it upon the rock to the Lord. And He did a wondrous thing while Manoah and his wife looked on- 20 it happened as the flame went up toward heaven from the altar-the Angel of the Lord ascended in the flame of the altar! When Manoah and his wife saw this, they fell on their faces to the ground. 21 When the Angel of the Lord appeared no more to Manoah and his wife, then Manoah knew that He was the Angel of the Lord. 22 And Manoah said to his wife, “We shall surely die, because we have seen God!” [[Zechariah 12:8]] In that day the Lord will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; the one who is feeble among them in that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the Angel of the Lord before them. [[Zechariah 3:1-2]] Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the Angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to oppose him. 2 And the Lord said to Satan, “The Lord rebuke you, Satan! The Lord who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is this not a brand plucked from the fire?”

[@shaark92]

OUTSTANDING 3 minute video THANK YOU Frank. Will check out "Conversations with the faiths" God Bless y'all!

[@jakehadley4044]

A lot of ex-mormons here. Its so wild how little ex-mormons really understand about the religion they claim to have belonged to. This guy gave the best answer he could with the information he had, so i can't fault him for that. He doesn't make the claim that Mormons aren't Christian, he claims that they're not traditional Christians, which I guess depends on your definition of "traditional". We believe in God the Father, in his Son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. They are 3 distinct individuals, yet one in purpose. We don't worship Joseph Smith, or Moroni, or the current President of the Church. To claim that Mormons aren't Christian is to ignore the literal name of the church: The Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints.

[@DS-si9hg]

Just like how people “ignore” the literal name of NORTH KOREA!!! - “democratic people’s Republic of Korea” 😂 cuz a name is totally always accurate 👌🏾

[@ProjectKneepads]

To be clear: Are you saying that Mormons do not believe that men can become gods or a sort of eternal progression?

[@jakehadley4044]

@@ProjectKneepads no of course not, but that's usually something detractors bring up and it lacks context completely. They point to it and say "look how crazy the Mormons are, thinking they can be like God". If you're actually interested I can give you the context and what we actually believe in and the doctrine around it, because it's very simple and all contained in the Bible and backed up by the Book of Mormon. But people don't usually want to know. They just throw shade and hate.

[@trentitybrehm5105]

In Alma 7:10 (the Book of Mormon), they say Jesus would be born in Jerusalem. Micha 5:2 (from the Old Testament) Messiah is prophecied to be born in Bethlehem. We have copies of this document from the Dead Sea Scrolls dating to a century or two before Christ. Bethlehem is a different city than Jerusalem. Jesus was born in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:1) 1 Nephi 18:25, 2 Nephi 12:7, Mosiah 9:9, and Ether 9:19 discribes plants and animals being in the Americas that we know were no here until they were brought by colonizers. 1 Nephi 19, 1 Nephi 18:25 discusses there being metal working like swords, armor, and coins when there is no evidence anywhere in the Americas of any metal work being done or ever found. Alma 11 talks about metal coins being used as currency when there are no metal coins to be found anywhere in the Americas until colonialism. Mormon 8:2 and Ether 15 discuss battles with hundreds of thousands to millions of people, using armor and metals, with chariots, and there is no evidence of any such battles taking place. Even with small battles, there is always massive amounts of evidence that it happened from human remains, armor, arrowheads, swords, ect. and we find none of that for these battles. Isaiah 43:10 “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. Isaiah 44:6 “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God. Proverbs 28:26 He who trusts in his own heart is a fool, But whoever walks wisely will be delivered. Jeramiah 17:9 “The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it? We have the writing of the disciples of the Apostles and the disciples of those disciples, and they not only quote much of the New Testament, but all the core idea of Christianty are present. Jesus being God, the Son of God, dying for sins, burial, resurrection, ascension to heaven. We also have writing of Jewish and Pagan contemporary historians who were hostile towards Jesus, who say the same things : Jesus being worshipped as God, the Son of God, dying for on the cross, burial, resurrection. The archeology matches the Bible perfectly all the way from Genesis through the New Testament. The fact that there are so many manuscripts makes it easy to tell when someone changed one, and modern Bibles are transparent about any differences in the footnotes. Over 5,000 manuscripts in the original Greek and 20,000 in other lanuages. None of those differences found between manuscripts change anything about any core doctrines of Christianity, they are mainly a handwriting error on a letter or a different way to word something that means the same thing. There is 99.5% accuracy between the manuscripts according to scholars. The Book of Mormon has none of this.

[@trentitybrehm5105]

Jesus created Lucifer and all things that are created. John 1:1-3 and Colossians 1:16-17

[@gi169]

Thank you CE

[@theonly1689]

Is there anywhere i can watch the full thing. These clips low key make me angry because its to short im trying to listen to it all while playing a game or woodworking.

[@yahooarchie8306]

I know what you mean.

[@patrickreilly7256]

Even Jesus said "good works". You may be saved by faith alone but where you go may be determined by works ❤

[@RT-qz5ci]

This is heresy. We’re saved by faith alone NOT of works Ephesians 2:8-9. You are intentionally misquoting scripture.

[@Kgoverstreet]

@@RT-qz5ciread the last few chapters of the entire New Testament, Revelation. God clearly tells us at the end of our life we will be judged by our works.

[@RT-qz5ci]

@@Kgoverstreet i’m talking about salvation specifically and the verse I quoted was very clear. Believe what you want though

[@timothy4131]

I'll stick with what the Apostle Paul says that if any man comes to you with a different gospel than the one we first present let that man be cursed again I say If any man comes with a different gospel if an angel comes down from heaven with a different gospel let that one be accursed

[@redplanet76]

That might hold some water if christians could agree on the Gospel. They can't. Many different versions. So lots of accursed folks who got it wrong.

[@SG-jv5zi]

Jesus came preaching the gospel o kingdom and said that until heaven and Earth pass, nothing shall be removed from the Law of God.... Yet you have most of Christianity twisting Paul's writings to say we don't have to obey the law of God anymore.... This is the work of the anti Messiah

[@timothy4131]

@@SG-jv5zi there's a big difference between observing the law and being under the law the law of Moses was written for the Jewish people not for Gentiles unless they were willing to put themselves under the law but any man that puts himself under the law puts himself under a curse because cursed is him who doesn't continue in all these things

[@timothy4131]

@@SG-jv5zi I can sum it up in the beginning of a song that I once heard it goes they talk about the law the twisting the law the law doesn't save us it just shows us our flaws the law is the tutor that leads us to Christ by faith Justified and he gives us life

[@timothy4131]

@@redplanet76 that's why I'm not supposed to follow Christians I'm supposed to follow Jesus and keep my eyes on him when I take my focus off of him that's when I fall I'm not supposed to look at my circumstances and my situations even though I do sometimes but my personal belief is that the Bible from Genesis to Revelation is the true word of God

[@gobucs3146]

I love how you called denominations created only a couple hundred years ago “traditional”. Very ironic

[@clearstonewindows]

ikr! Not historical context here.

[@SimonASNG]

Traditional in the sense that they have the same core beliefs as the church did 1700 years ago. You can take the Nicaean creed into any Baptist or Presbyterian church and they'll agree to almost all of it. Or at least they would have 50 years ago. The Mormons would disagree on more than half of it.

[@clearstonewindows]

@@SimonASNG they might say they believe it, but if you ask what it means you get more questions than answers. I've learned that from personal experience.

[@Desert-edDave]

@@clearstonewindows Your anecdotal contribution to the discussion doesn't prove anything, and questions are good, *some* are humble enough to not believe they know everything.

[@gundriver6439]

Early on in Genesis the reader is introduced to cosmic evil and the nature of that evil when the serpent instructs Eve with "you too can be like God". What religion tells their believers that they too can become gods? MORMONISM

[@mattr.1887]

So it's wrong to be like God?

[@jeffc5474]

@@mattr.1887Yes! We are not like God nor can we ever become like Him, ever.

[@brettpinion4233]

@@mattr.1887 We can't. We are not eternal, not all knowing, not all powerful, did not create all matter, and are not sinless or perfect love. LDS and Satan sell something we cannot be.

[@ManonDeLArt]

The lie Satan told was that “ye shall not surely die.” Genesis 3:22 says, The lie Satan told was that “ye shall not surely die.” Genesis 3:5 says, “ And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil.”

[@TheRastacabbage]

If children then heirs of God and co heirs with christ. 'Mormonism' follows scripture

[@m.evan.bullard]

LDS defines God as the chief executive, divine authority. This is more like the Hebrews' understanding of God. In the old testament, "Elohim" is used as almost every reference to "God" or "Lord" in English. This Hebrew word means there is plurality to the individuality of "God." There is one divine authority, a plural executive including distinct beings: the Father, Jesus Christ as a manifestation of the essence of the Father, and the Holy Spirit. It's not actually that much different than the trinity, it's just better defined and makes more sense according to the actual text of the bible.

[@davidjanbaz7728]

Actually your completely wrong: The TWO Powers in Heaven israelite theology of the 2nd temple period point out a Duelistic nature of YHWH. One an invisible Father YHWH and two a Visible YHWH who is the Pre-incarnate Jesus and why Jesus says " I am " and existed before Abraham. Genesis 19: 24 has BOTH persons of YHWH in it. And God's Spirit is also spoken of in the Hebrew Bible. Roman's 8: 9 -11; calls the Holy Spirit the Spirit of God and of Christ that is living in Christians, and that is only possible with the Trinity.

[@cryptochris9001]

Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are all separate distinct beings, correct. We call it the Godhead not Trinity. We don't believe Jesus was talking to himself when He talked about Heavenly Father. Jesus Christ created Earth under guidance from Heavenly Father so when Jesus said He was before Abraham He wasn't lying nor was He claiming to be God.

[@m.evan.bullard]

@davidjanbaz7728 that's kind of an arbitrary interpretation, and it doesn't actually refute my point.

[@Desert-edDave]

You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-and tremble! -James 2:19 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ -Matthew 7:21-23 Jesus Christ is God, Messiah, and Lord.

[@jacksonjack8696]

The sad part of 99.99%of ex mormons is that 1. they never search for true gospel after they leave. 2. They never leave because they are always coming back and talking about the church. 3. They stop praying, reading scriptures,doing service, helping others. 4. Give into wordly temptation, keep the sabbath day unholy... 5. Revert quickly back to the natural man.

[@johndardi1334]

Different Jesus altogether. There’s a reason there are no maps in the back of the Book of Mormon. It’s a fictional story.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"It’s a fictional story." So what parts of the bible can be proven not fictional? You, and everyone here, chooses what to believe.

[@Charistoph]

Was not the Protestant Jesus Jehovah before He was born? Was not the Protestant Jesus born of the virgin Mary? Did not the Protestant Jesus grow in spirit as a child both in Egypt and Nazareth? Did not the Protestant Jesus fast for 40 days and 40 nights then be tempted by Satan? Was not the Protestant Jesus perform miracle after miracle to glorify His Father? Was not the Protestant Jesus given up to the council by one of His own? Did not the Protestant Jesus start suffering in Gethsemane asking this cup be taken from Him? Was not the Protestant Jesus crucified as an innocent while a know criminal was set free? Did not the Protestant Jesus suffer and die to pay the price for our sins, then rise again the third day to conquer death? Was not the Protestant Jesus one with the Father as Jesus expects His disciples to be? Did not the Protestant Jesus go to other sheep which were not of His fold in Palestine? For thus the Mormons teach. And if this is not your Jesus, then you are correct, we have a different one.

[@johndardi1334]

@@Charistoph the “Protestant” Jesus is God in the flesh. The “Mormon” Jesus is Satan’s brother Big difference

[@GTMGunTotinMinnesotan]

@@johndardi1334 Yeah he conveniently skipped the most important differences. Incredibly dishonest. Jesus is not the same in Mormonism or Islam.

[@PruettHikingAdventures]

Look up the Heartland people or mound people. Its pretty interesting. A whole people in america that just vanished.

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

Mormonism teachings sounds like new age teachings. If you read just a little bit of the Bible as a born-again believer, the Mormon teachings should sound so ridiculous to you, truth from error. Praying for the loss sheep in these cultish organizations, only God knows each individuals heart. Galatians 1:8 “But should we, or an angel from Heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed.”

[@kinggenius930]

"Praying for the loss sheep in these cultish organizations," Isn't the saying something like "Religion = Cult + Time"? You may think Mormon beliefs sound ridiculous, there are likely many who may think the same of yours

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

​@kinggenius930 You have to be born again by the Holy Spirit in order to understand the Bible, as stated in the original comment. Truth from error. Everything about God sounds ridiculous to nonbelievers because they have scales over their eyes, and some don't want the truth.

[@kinggenius930]

@@NewCreationInChrist896 "You have to be born again by the Holy Spirit in order to understand the Bible" So in order to accept the Bible and see that it is true, you first have to accept the Bible as true. That seems like remarkably circular logic.

[@Charistoph]

What is the gospel that Paul preached, and how do Mormons teach otherwise? Please provide proper references.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"Mormonism teachings sounds like new age teachings." Yes, it is certainly newer than things that are older. Most Christians have no answers for modern problems, and no way to get answers -- well, not at a denomination level. Anyone can get answers from God. But only a prophet or apostle can speak authoritatively for a denomination or church.

[@boone7812]

I love the words of Apostle Paul. He wrote the Roman's and said, The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. (Roman's 8:16-17) This verse teaches a few items. 1) we are all children of God. 2) we are heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ to what God has to offer as we join and follow Christ (practice faith), who showed us the way back to God. 3) God and Jesus are separate individuals who are unified and one in purpose. Apostle Paul words separate God and Jesus in this text. The same principle is shown in Acts 7:55 while Stephen is being murdered. The scripture reads, "he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God," Again, why separate God and Jesus this way if they are one individual? I have many friends from different religious backgrounds. I've found that it is best for us to unify in our common beliefs, see the good from one another, and practice the good and righteous living that each has to offer.

[@lorrainewhitehead9080]

When Paul said we are children of God he didn’t say we are ALL children of God. Only those who are born again and saved, filled with the Holy Spirit are God’s children and He then becomes our Father. When you are sealed with the Spirit of truth then you will know that the only God of Salvation is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. This is the only way and all those other religions will lead you to be eternally separated from the one true God. Jesus is Lord.

[@JJLoLogo]

I was watching The Chosen, and then I saw this. I see so many similarities between the Pharisees of Jesus' day to modern-day Evangelicalism. Amazing!

[@garyjohnson8026]

As for the Godhead see Mark 13:32, John 8:16-18, and thru to 42, John 12:28 see also Matt. 3:16-17, 2 Peter 1:17-18, 1 Timothy 2:5. As for works see Rev. 20:12, Matt. 16:27, Matt. 7:21-23. Study the Bible not by the understanding of man but by the Spirit, ask the Father what is true, and he will lead you in the path of all righteousness.

[@BasedChad1]

Whenever you think book of Mormon remember south park. They were accurate.

[@lilajagears8317]

Yes they were, along with scientology and Catholicism.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

Yup 🙂

[@a-atheist]

False. South parks depiction is made the f up. If you want to say so is the book of mormon. Fine. But your claim is still false. Like the hat thing for example. Little is known about the actual process of translating the record, primarily because those who knew the most about the translation, Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery, said the least about it. Moreover, Martin Harris, David Whitmer, and Emma Smith, who assisted Joseph, left no contemporary descriptions.

[@BasedChad1]

@@a-atheist Omg we have one.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

@@a-atheist "South parks depiction is made the f up" So it is 🙂 Hilarious! But it reveals the arrogance of everyone that claims to be the True Christians (having no "works" to prove it).

[@chloemartel9927]

Absolutely not!

[@jamesw4250]

Yes they do! Lol

[@1Corinthians6Verses9thru11]

Short answer: "No, they don't. "

[@gi169]

​@@jamesw4250 You've commented with an abundance of ignorance as usual.

[@1Corinthians6Verses9thru11]

​@@jamesw4250​ They falsely believe that both God and Jesus were once NOT God, this is NOT Judaism or Christianity who both correctly teach the Eternality of the True God, Yahweh, Who Himself even emphasizes His Own Eternal Nature by the Name: "I AM". See John 8:58, Exodus 3:14 and John 1:1-4

[@jamesw4250]

@Remy4489 it's the same god of Abraham. Same one the Muslims and jews worship. You are quite simply wrong. Just because their interpretations are different doesn't mean they believe in a different god.

[@jandjhirst]

Do Mormons believe that one day you will be a god of your own planet? No, this is a characterization of some of our beliefs that are often misunderstood. Like a meme, it hits on some unique beliefs that we have, but is not correct. We believe that the human race is the offspring of God, as Paul taught to the Romans in Romans 8:16-17 (KJV): "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together." We believe that God is our father, and just like in our earthly families, our father will always be our father. But the hope of a father is that his sons will grow up to be like their father, and to help as partners "with the family business," not just to be a servant or pet indefinitely. So do we believe we will be a God our own planet? No, but we do believe that we will jointly become heirs to God's kingdom and with Him take part in his glorious purpose, which is to "bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man," or in other words, to bring the maximum amount of joy to all of his family. We don't know details about what kind of assignments we'll have in the eternities to help God in his work, but our belief about heaven is much more than just being angels singing praise to God and basking in his eternal glory. We believe there will be lots of work - glorious, purposeful, joyful work - extending the creation of the universe populated with the family of God, and helping all of our family grow up in stature to also take their place in that same work.

[@trentitybrehm5105]

In Alma 7:10 (the Book of Mormon), they say Jesus would be born in Jerusalem. Micha 5:2 (from the Old Testament) Messiah is prophecied to be born in Bethlehem. We have copies of this document from the Dead Sea Scrolls dating to a century or two before Christ. Bethlehem is a different city than Jerusalem. Jesus was born in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:1) 1 Nephi 18:25, 2 Nephi 12:7, Mosiah 9:9, and Ether 9:19 discribes plants and animals being in the Americas that we know were no here until they were brought by colonizers. 1 Nephi 19, 1 Nephi 18:25 discusses there being metal working like swords, armor, and coins when there is no evidence anywhere in the Americas of any metal work being done or ever found. Alma 11 talks about metal coins being used as currency when there are no metal coins to be found anywhere in the Americas until colonialism. Mormon 8:2 and Ether 15 discuss battles with hundreds of thousands to millions of people, using armor and metals, with chariots, and there is no evidence of any such battles taking place. Even with small battles, there is always massive amounts of evidence that it happened from human remains, armor, arrowheads, swords, ect. and we find none of that for these battles. Jesus created Lucifer and all things that are created. John 1:1-3 and Colossians 1:16-17 Isaiah 43:10 “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. Isaiah 44:6 “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God. Proverbs 28:26 He who trusts in his own heart is a fool, But whoever walks wisely will be delivered. Jeramiah 17:9 “The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it? We have the writing of the disciples of the Apostles and the disciples of those disciples, and they not only quote much of the New Testament, but all the core idea of Christianty are present. Jesus being God, the Son of God, dying for sins, burial, resurrection, ascension to heaven. We also have writing of Jewish and Pagan contemporary historians who were hostile towards Jesus, who say the same things : Jesus being worshipped as God, the Son of God, dying for on the cross, burial, resurrection. The archeology matches the Bible perfectly all the way from Genesis through the New Testament. The fact that there are so many manuscripts makes it easy to tell when someone changed one, and modern Bibles are transparent about any differences in the footnotes. Over 5,000 manuscripts in the original Greek and 20,000 in other lanuages. None of those differences found between manuscripts change anything about any core doctrines of Christianity, they are mainly a handwriting error on a letter or a different way to word something that means the same thing. There is 99.5% accuracy between the manuscripts according to scholars. The Book of Mormon has none of this.

[@AngelicJim]

I love Frank's work and come back regularly to hear him out on things. What I find frustrating are these intrusive illustration clips they keep putting in. It takes me out of what is being said and I don't think it's necessary in my opinion. If Frank talks about anger, I don't need to see high quality stock footage of an actor screwing their face up. If he talks about a man eating breakfast, I don't need to literally see a man eating breakfast to know what he's talking about. It's like reading a book with constant lift up flaps. Just give me the actual debate footage please. (disclaimer: not meaning to rant, just my preference)

[@Greene362]

I went to a college in a small town where there were three churches on the corner of an intersection, like competing fast food restaurants. The older professors told of a time not too long ago where Methodists, Lutherans, and Baptists on each corner believed the other two denominations’ churches were going to hell for their poor theology.

[@brendanwong4907]

Why do they always put background music when it’s not needed? V annoying

[@brendanwong4907]

@Packhorse-bh8qn Lke ths?

[@JiraiyaSama86]

Obviously not. How can they be one and the same when one is clearly not a Trinity?

[@Gek1177]

Because they believe in Jesus and the same God as more mainstream Christians. The big difference is that they think Joseph Smith was a modern day prophet.

[@TheOldBailey4135]

That is the problem with denominations, not following Jesus

[@colinpierre3441]

Should they be following Jesus or Yahweh?

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

@@colinpierre3441 Jesus is the Eternal. And yes, Paul teaches that a Christian ought to follow Christ since He is the Head of His Church. God's government demands it. The Father leads through Christ. That's why He is set over the Church. If somebody is following Christ, they're following the Father.

[@colinpierre3441]

@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Well, when Paul talks about following Christ it surely has to be referring to following in his footsteps. The reason I mention that is because quite a number of Christians talk about Christ and sanctify his name consistently. However, the prophets of old sanctified and prayed to Yahweh (YHWH). While it's true that Yahweh installed Jesus as King of heaven and earth, it's important to remember that our worship must go to Yahweh alone since He is the most high (Psalm 83:18). Also, if we don't use His name it becomes lost, and then people may start to assume that Jesus Christ is Yahweh.

[@JohnAdams-zh4tz]

@@colinpierre3441 In Philippians 2:9-11, it states: “Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” The passage emphasizes that God has given Jesus a name above every name, and that every knee should bow and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. The term “Lord” (Greek: Kyrios) is significant here as it often translates the Hebrew “Yahweh” in the Greek Old Testament (Septuagint). This means that in calling Jesus “Lord,” the text is ascribing to Him the divine name and authority, indicating His divinity and supreme status.

[@colinpierre3441]

@@JohnAdams-zh4tz "Lord" (Kyrios) in some Bible translations is used to replace the divine name as you said. However, when used to replace the divine name it is written with all-capital letters rather than the way it's used for Jesus. God has given Jesus authority in heaven over all the other angels, but God is still the "most high" (Psalm 83:18). For example, Pharaoh gave Joseph authority over "all the land of Egypt" (Genesis 41:41), however Pharaoh still held the highest authority.

[@raythomas2628]

You answer that question perfectly my friend

[@jessekoeven3757]

No, he didn't. He answered it in prejudiced ignorance. We do not reject grace. We, like the NT saints, let our actions prove our faith out of love for the Lord and his Father. We are tritheistic or even polytheistic. We worship only one God, that God is Jesus' God and our Father and his Father. Just because we interpret the Bible without the Creeds as a lens does not make us wrong, that is called arbitrary gatekeeping and it is wrong.

[@donhtb1]

All Glory to GOD

[@Veritas_Lux_Mea_7]

As to the glory John 17:22.

[@litigioussociety4249]

I'm pretty sure exaltation is foundational to Mormonism. Any Mormon rejecting it would likely be rejected by their church should they fail to change after being corrected.

[@Cumeni-Ha]

There is no rejection. We believe all will go where they perfectly belong in the heavens. This is according to they laws they choose to follow in life.

[@JadDragon]

​@@Cumeni-Ha teaching God is created is not Christian

[@Cumeni-Ha]

@@JadDragon you define or God defines?

[@JadDragon]

@@Cumeni-Ha God. He defines Himself as uncreated. You don't. I trust God, not you.

[@Cumeni-Ha]

@@JadDragon that is correct, God defines.

[@mahmaebahmed2599]

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[@davideferrara8276]

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[@davidebutta5409]

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[@mahmaebahmed2599]

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[@FrankM.Belair]

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[@mahmaebahmed2599]

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[@reg7916]

If you change Jesus you change everything and He is absolutely changed in mormonism🌻 just another "ism"

[@ewendels]

Math doesn't change when you go from algebra to Calculus. More about the subject is revealed. Doesn't make calculus false or changed. It is more understanding.

[@reg7916]

@ewendels hmm, i agree, "if" we are talking about math... however, we are talking about Jesus, and either He is Who He said He was or He is not... Therefore, no extra knowledge is needed.

[@ewendels]

@@reg7916 "needed" is subjective. Accepting Jesus as the Christ is what is needed for salvation, as He said. He also says "Learn of me" If He and His Father are Eternal, one book from 2000 years ago could not contain all there is for us to learn. More is revealed if you want more. Is it needed for salvation? Maybe not. But I want to know Him and all He is revealing prior to His second coming. My thoughts...

[@reg7916]

@ewendels I agree about seeking Him, but adding anything to His Word is very dangerous. If you're talking about gnosticism, this is unbiblical. Revelation 22:18 NKJV - For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; This Revelation comes straight from Jesus He is the Word of life. Revelation 1:1 NKJV - The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants-things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John,

[@danielbu2611]

​@@ewendels Don't you know that Jesus broke the curse from the garden? Anything that changes his message is not from God. Even Paul said that even if an angel came proclaiming another good news let them come under God's curse.

[@Pocketkid2]

So Christianity doesn’t really have anything to do with believing in Christ, which The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are literally founded on?

[@mikefranklin1253]

A different "Jesus." Not related at all to the real God.

[@Pocketkid2]

@@mikefranklin1253 That literally makes no logical or rational sense at all. Having different beliefs about God doesn't mean it's a different God. And who are you to know what the real God is? Have you met him, talked to him?

[@redfive2008]

@@Pocketkid2 "Having different beliefs about God doesn't mean it's a different God." if your god exhibits different characteristics and has a different personality, your religion doesn't follow the same god. "And who are you to know what the real God is? Have you met him, talked to him?" I have met Him, via His Word and His Son Jesus.

[@Pocketkid2]

@@redfive2008 I have also met God the Father and his son, Jesus Christ, through their words found in The Book of Mormon, and the Holy Bible, and many other revelations.

[@Nenad-ICXC-Shuput-GFAMMA]

Of course not

[@user-br3ou2cs9o]

Amen✝️🕊️

[@stevenator0281]

"Traditional" does not mean that it's correct.

[@AndonisG2G]

what would that mean then, because for about 2000 years Christianity has been trinitarian. coucil of nicaea destroyed arius and his followers and their claims that Jesus wasnt God. He was God, and plain in text all over the Bible.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

@@AndonisG2G "Tradition" only means something has been widely accepted and assumed as a truism. It does NOT inherently make it true. The Orthodox Jews in Christ's day practiced certain traditions for centuries, but Christ exposed them as false doctrines that contradicted the law of God. The trinity has _never_ been a foundation of true Christianity because it is a staple of all the religions that came from Babylon.

[@AndonisG2G]

@@theeternalsbeliever1779 so was Christ lying when He said that He would preserve His Church? That would mean everyone would agree on a certain rule set/ belief on the Bible. Just because they all agreed does that make them instantly wrong? no. you are look at it from a 21st century perspective. heres the scripture proving Jesus was God. C. Jesus has many other names or titles of God 1. Titles belonging only to God a. The First and the Last (Beginning and End, Alpha and Omega): Rev. 1:7-8, 17b-18; 2:8; 22:13; cf. Is. 41:4; 44:6; 48:12; Rev. 21:6 b. King of kings and Lord of lords: Rev. 17:14; 19:16; cf. Dan. 4:37; 1 Tim. 6:15 2. Titles belonging in the ultimate sense only to God a. Savior: Luke 2:11; John 4:42; Phil. 3:20; 2 Tim. 1:10; Titus 2:13, cf. v. 10; 2 Pet. 1:11; 2:20; 3:2, 18; 1 John 4:14; cf. Is. 43:11; 45:21-22; 1 Tim. 4:10; on Jesus becoming the source of salvation; Heb. 5:9, cf. Ex. 15:2; Ps. 118:14, 21 b. Shepherd: John 10:11; Heb. 13:20; cf. Ps. 23:1; Is. 40:11 c. Bridegroom/Husband: Matt. 22:2; 25:1-13; Mark 2:19; John 3:29; 2 Cor. 11:2; Eph. 5:25-27; Rev. 19:7-9; 21:2, 9; cf. Is. 54:5; 62:5; Jer. 31:32 d. Rock: 1 Cor. 10:4; cf. Is. 44:8 3. Jesus’ self-declarations-his “I am” sayings a. Jesus’ “I am” (egô eimi) sayings with a predicate declare his divine functions: “I am the bread of life” (John 6:35, 48; cf. 6:41, 51), “I am the light of the world” (John 8:12), “I am the gate” of the sheep (John 10:7, 9), “I am the good shepherd” (10:11, 14), “I am the resurrection and the life” (John 11:25), “I am the way and the truth and the life” (John 14:6), “I am the [true] vine” (John 15:1, 5). In these sayings Jesus essentially claims to be everything his people need for eternal life. b. Jesus’ “I am” (egô eimi) sayings without a predicate declare his divine identity as the divine Son come to be the Messiah: “I am [he]; do not fear” (Matt. 14:27; Mark 6:50; John 6:20; cf. Is. 43:2, 5); “I am [he]” (Mark 14:62); “I am [he], the one speaking to you” (John 4:26, cf. Is. 52:6); “unless you believe that I am [he] you will die in your sins…then you will know that I am [he]” (John 8:24, 28, cf. Is. 43:10-11); “before Abraham came into being, I am” or “I am [he]” (John 8:58, note v. 59); “I know the ones I have chosen…you will believe that I am [he]” (John 13:18-19, cf. Is. 43:10); “I am [he]” (John 18:5, cf. vv. 6-8). Note the many parallels to the “I am” sayings of God in Isaiah, which virtually all biblical scholars agree are echoed by Jesus’ “I am” sayings in John. Some scholars also see at least an indirect connection to God’s declaration “I am who I am” in Ex. 3:14 (especially for John 8:58). 4. The NT gives an extraordinary emphasis on Jesus’ “name,” stating that it is the highest of all names, Eph. 1:21; Phil. 2:9-11; referring to it as “the Name,” Acts 5:41; 3 John 7; glorifying his name, Acts 19:13-18, cf. Ps. 20:7. Christians call on his name for salvation; they get baptized and receive forgiveness of sins and eternal life in his name; they cast out demons in his name; they suffer and risk their lives for his name; they do everything in his name: Matt. 7:22; 10:22; 19:29; 24:9; Mark 9:38-39; 13:13; Luke 10:17; 21:12, 17; John 1:12; 15:21; 20:31; Acts 2:21, 36, 38; 3:6, 16; 4:7, 10, 12, 17-18; 30; 5:28; 8:16; 9:14, 21, 27-28; 10:43, 48; 15:26; 16:18; 19: 5; 21:13; 22:16; Rom. 10:12-13; 1 Cor. 1:13-15; 6:11; Col. 3:17; 1 Pet. 4:14; 1 John 2:12; 1 John 3:23; 5:13; Rev. 2:3, 13; 3:8. D. Jesus received the honors due to God alone 1. Honor: John 5:23; Heb. 3:3-4 2. Love: Matt. 10:37; Luke 14:26; John 14:15, 21; 15:10; Eph. 6:24 3. Prayer: John 14:14 (the word “me” in the text is debated, but in any case it is Jesus who answers the prayer); Acts 1:24-25; 7:59-60 (cf. Luke 23:34, 46); 9:14; 22:16; Rom. 10:12-13; 1 Cor. 1:2; 16:22; 2 Cor. 12:8-10 (where “the Lord” must be Jesus, cf. v. 9); 2 Thess. 2:16-17; Rev. 22:20-21 4. Worship (proskuneô): Matt. 2:2, 11; 8:2; 9:18; 14:33; 15:25; 20:20; 28:9, 17 (cf. Matt. 4:9-10); Phil. 2:10-11 (cf. Is. 45:23); Heb. 1:6 (cf. Ps. 97:7); Rev. 1:17; 5:14 (cf. Rev. 19:10; 22:8-9) 5. Religious or sacred service (latreuô): Dan. 7:14; Rev. 22:1-3 6. Doxological praise: 2 Tim. 4:18; Heb. 13:20-21; 1 Pet. 4:11; 2 Pet. 3:18; Rev. 1:5-6; 5:13 7. Song: Eph. 5:19; Rev. 5:9-10; cf. Ps. 92:1; 95:1; 96:2; etc. 8. Fear/reverence: 2 Cor. 5:10-11; Eph. 5:21; 6:7-8; Col. 3:22-25; 1 Pet. 3:14-16; cf. Deut. 6:13; 10:20; Prov. 1:7; 2:5; 9:10; etc.; Is. 8:12-13 9. Faith: Matt. 9:28; John 1:12; 3:15-18, 36; 6:35, 40; 7:37-39; 8:24; 11:25-26; 14:1; 20:31; Acts 3:16; 10:43; 16:31; 20:21; 22:19; 24:24; 26:18; Rom. 9:33; 10:11; Gal. 3:26; 1 Pet. 2:6; 1 John 3:23; 5:1, 10, 13 E. Jesus does the works of God 1. Creation: John 1:3, 10; 1 Cor. 8:6; Col. 1:16; Heb. 1:2, 10; Rev. 3:14 (where archê probably means ruler or head); on “through” and “in” Christ, cf. Rom. 11:36; Heb. 2:10; Acts 17:28; cf. also Is. 44:24 2. Sustains the universe: Col. 1:17; Heb. 1:3, 11-12 3. Demonstrating divine sovereignty over nature: Matt. 8:23-27 par.; Matt. 14:13-33 par.; Matt. 15:32-39; Matt. 17:24-27; Mark 5:19-20; Luke 5:1-11; 7:11-16; John 2:1-11; John 21:1-14 4. Speaking with divine authority: Matt. 5:20-22, etc.; 7:24-29; 24:35; Mark 1:22; 13:31; Luke 4:32; John 4:26; 7:46; cf. “Amen I say to you” (74 times in the Gospels); “the word of the Lord,” Acts 8:25; 13:44, 48-49; 15:35-36; 16:32; 19:10, 20; 1 Thess. 4:15 5. Salvation: a. In general: See C.2.a. above b. Forgives sins: Matt. 9:1-8; Mark 2:1-12; Luke 5:17-26; note that Jesus forgives sins not committed against him. c. Sends the Spirit and his gifts: Matt. 3:11; Luke 24:49; John 1:33; 4:10, 15; 7:37-39; 15:26; 16:7-14; 20:22; Acts 2:33; Rom. 8:9; 1 Cor. 12:5; Eph. 4:8-11 d. All spiritual blessings (with the Father): Eph. 1:2-3; 2 Thess. 2:16-17; 1 Tim. 1:2; 2 Tim. 1:2; 2 John 3; Rev. 1:4; etc. 6. Raising the dead: John 2:19-22; 5:28-29; 6:40, 54; 10:17-18, 27-28 (cf. Deut. 32:39); 11:25-26; Acts 2:24 7. Judgment: Matt. 25:31-46; John 5:22-23; Acts 10:42; 17:31; Rom. 2:16; 1 Cor. 4:4-5; 2 Cor. 5:10; 2 Thess. 1:7-8; 2 Tim. 4:1; Rev. 2:23 8. All of them: John 5:19 F. Jesus has all the attributes of God 1. All of them: John 1:1; 12:45; 14:7-10; Rom. 8:29; 2 Cor. 4:4; Phil. 2:6; Col. 1:13, 15, 19; 2:9; Heb. 1:3 2. Self-existent: John 5:26 3. Unchangeable: Heb. 1:10-12 (in the same sense as YHWH); 13:8 4. Eternal: John 1:1-3; 8:56-59; 17:5; Col. 1:16-17; Heb. 1:2, 10-12; 7:3 5. Omnipresent: Matt. 8:5-13; 18:20; 28:20; Mark 7:24-30; Luke 7:1-10; John 1:47-49; 3:13; 4:46-54; Eph. 1:23; 4:10-11; Col. 3:11 6. Omniscient: Matt. 9:4; 11:21-23; 12:25; Mark 2:6-8; 8:31-32 (etc.); Luke 6:8; 10:13-15; 21:20-24; John 2:23-24; 4:16-18; 11:11-15; 13:10-11, 21-29, 36-38 par.; 16:30-31; 21:17; Acts 1:24; 1 Cor. 4:5; Rev. 2:23; cf. Mark 13:30-32 7. Omnipotent: Matt. 28:18; John 2:19-22; 10:17-18; 1 Cor. 1:23-24; 2 Cor. 12:9; Eph. 1:19-21; Col. 2:10; 1 Pet. 3:22 8. Loving (in a preeminent, unlimited way): John 13:34; 15:9, 12-13; Rom. 8:35-39; Gal. 2:20; Eph. 3:19; 5:2; Rev. 1:4; cf. Rom. 5:8 9. Incomprehensible: Matt. 11:25-27

[@loudogg73]

@@AndonisG2G Actually, Arianism became law after Nicea. Arian lost the official vote but Arianism gained popularity and became the official stance of the church and then the law under the next king. Then, eventually, Trinitarianism took over. Trinitarianism wasn't well established until 500ish AD. Or maybe a little before that. In any case, a vote under threat of exile and excommunication isn't the best way to determine the truth.

[@JadDragon]

@@loudogg73 imagine trying to argue Trinitarianism is a late idea, when morms didn't start until over 1000 years after he claims Trinitarianism was established 💀

[@mountainstomarshes8966]

Galatians 1:8 "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!"...so how do Mormons justify their faith when the beginning of the Mormon church is in direct contradiction to the Bible?

[@thereporter9384]

What other gospel have they preached?

[@mountainstomarshes8966]

@@thereporter9384 take your pic...inheriting a celestial body, salvation being works based instead of faith based.... the list is endless

[@thereporter9384]

@@mountainstomarshes8966 have you read a bible. John 3:5 Mathew 7:21 both talk about have to do things

[@mountainstomarshes8966]

@thereporter9384 if you want to argue that salvation is works based... I'm not sure there's any common ground between us, or that you understand the New Testament at all. Ephesians 2:9 mean anything to you?

[@thereporter9384]

@@mountainstomarshes8966 read the verse before even there it talks about having faith. Everything you do is a work. And that still doesn’t stop where Jesus himself said you need to do the will of his father. I will take Jesus’s own words over anyone else

[@matthewwallace9280]

Isaiah 44:8 "Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.”

[@Michelebell74]

Nope, LDS is not Christian.

[@Charistoph]

Said by a gatekeeper with no authority.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"Nope, LDS is not Christian." Fortunately, you are not the judge of such things (and neither is anyone else here). Christ will decide who is Christian, and one element of that, is NOT judging others. So consider carefully your judgment of others.

[@Michelebell74]

@@thomasmaughan4798 God's word is not to be added to or taken away from. LDS believe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are 3 separate beings doing the same job. Jesus said "I am the beginning and the End" "Alpha and Omega" "First and Last." Jesus IS God. And you all may have outlawed polygamy but you still pay reverence to joseph Smith and Brigham Young. The main point joseph Smith MADE UP the religion was for plural marriage. And btw, John 7:24 says "do not judge by appearances, but judge with righteous judgement." So I will obey that and I will ALWAYS defend Christianity, true putting Jesus first Christianity!

@@Charistoph _Said by a gatekeeper with no authority._ From you who has no authority either to say it is. But the Bible is the authority and it isn't Christian.

@@thomasmaughan4798 _Fortunately, you are not the judge of such things (and neither is anyone else here)._ Neither are you, so stop judging. But since the basis isn't our judgment but the Bible's judgment, we don't have to be. We just have to accept what the Bible says.

[@TheRealDonLayton]

As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I'd like to post a more accurate perspective from the one presented here. I'm sure both of these guys have good intentions. But they are sadly misinformed. I'll touch on three of his key points. 1. We DO NOT believe that we are traditional Christians. He is absolutely correct in that point. But the reason we do not, is because the early church apostatized from the original foundation within 200 or so years of the time of Christ. This shouldn't shock anyone. It was prophesied of in the NT repeatedly. In fact, Acts 3:20-21 prophecies that Christ will not return until the restitution (to make whole of things that were lost) of ALL THINGS. There was never a restitution of something that didn't need to be restored. There are many other NT verses supporting the falling away. We do not want to be considered traditional Christians, who were caught up in the Hellenization of Christianity. 2. He repeatedly accuses us of being polytheistic. This is technically incorrect. We worship one God. Polytheism involves the worship of many gods. However, I believe his intent is to infer that we believe we can become gods ourselves. I agree that this is a fundamental difference in our respective theologies. Yet the Bible repeatedly teaches that we can partake of the divine nature (2 Peter 1:4-8), become one with the Father and the Son, but not in essence as taught by the non-biblical trinitarian doctrine (John 17:2-23, 1 Tim 2:5, Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 6:17) and become like our Father in Heaven (Ps 82:1-6; John 10:30-36, Matt 5:48, Acts 17:28-29, Romans 8:15-18 and more). 3. It was hard to choose a third point but I'm going to explain our understanding of salvation by grace. This sometimes becomes frustrating because I explain WE DO BELIEVE IN SALVATION BY GRACE, NOT BY WORKS! But Evangelicals often refuse to believe me, or they pull out some quote that shows we believe in works. And we do. I'll explain. We are saved by grace but the question is "saved from what?" We are saved from the wrath of God, which is a natural result of our fallen natures and sin. The good news of the Gospel is that Jesus Christ will save us from that wrath if we believe in Him and trust Him to do what we cannot. BUT THIS IS NOT THE SAME THING as qualifying for Eternal Life. As the rich young ruler found out, it takes a lot more than just salvation from wrath to gain Eternal Life. That does require our effort. It's what James was talking about in James 2. It's what Jesus told the rich young man. It's why we have the Beatitudes and virtually the entire NT. Those things aren't nice suggestions. They are what the Lord desires from us and when we fall short, we can repent. But eventually in His time and according to His enabling grace, we can become like Him (1 John 3:2-3). I want to point out that if I want to know what Republicans believe, I'm not going to get the real story from a Democrat (and vice versa). If I want to know if science and religion conflict, I'm not going to get the best answer from most scientists. And the same is true here. You are NOT going to get the correct version of our beliefs by asking one who is critical of what we believe. It doesn't work that way. I hope you all have a great day and thank you for taking the time to read a few clarifications on what we believe.

[@JadDragon]

Polytheism is not the worship of multiple gods just the belief in them. You are polytheistic. You teach God was a created being and there are gods over Him. You aren't remotely Christian.

[@dman7668]

@TheRealDonLayton I appreciate you wanting to share and set the record straight on what you believe. However I am puzzled by a few things. #1 if mormonism is not a polytheism religion, yet teaching that there are 3 individual God's, how is that not polytheism? #2 What is Polytheism to you, since 3 individual God's is not your definition of polytheism?

[@TheRealDonLayton]

@@JadDragon Call it what you want. Polytheism is defined as the "belief in or worship" of multiple gods. I favor the limited view but if you want to include the more liberal view, that's fine. But be consistent because if you accuse LDS of polytheism under that definition, you had better agree that the Bible is polytheistic. (And yes, I know what it says in Isaiah about one God. Interesting though that each time, the prophet is speaking in the context of idolatry, not in the divine nature.) And it's not within your authority to tell other people who are and are not Christian. You're trying to make yourself into God. He alone is judge. How utterly "Christian" of you.

[@TheRealDonLayton]

@@dman7668 We're probably dealing with semantics. Polytheism is defined as "the worship or belief in" multiple gods. To me, it's the worship of multiple gods. To you, it may include the belief in multiple gods. Whatever it is however, my point is that my belief is consistent with the Bible. The passages I shared are only a few of the dozens that point to the divine nature of man.

[@dman7668]

@TheRealDonLayton No, I do not think this is semantics. You believe there are 3 God's. That is absolutely polytheistic. I just don't understand how a person can say it is not Polytheism while at the same time say they believe in 3 seperate God's. That's very confusing on my end with all complete respect and due honesty. I don't personally think Christianity has ever embraced the idea of multiple God's prior to mormonism. Perhaps you can find some historical basis for this asserted but not substantiated Christian idea?

[@DeisGaff]

I'm glad you made this video,Christianity is all about sacrifices, what you can sacrifice for God and humanity. l've always trusted God, and when I prayed, he answered me even when I was homeless and financially unstable he sent a helper, Ms. Deborah Lee Clark, who advised me financially, and now I make 34k every 3 weeks! I can now give back to the locals in my community and also support God's work and the church. God bless🇺🇸❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@PozosTomberlin]

Isaiah 45:3 speaks of a transference of riches from the heathen to the righteous... will give you the treasures of darkness and the riches hidden in secret... I received this for my household in Jesus' name. Amen!

[@Anthonyp12721]

Thank God for your life, God bless you and your family more abundantly, Amen!

[@Anthonyp12721]

But then, how do you get all that in that period of time? What is it you do please, mind sharing?

[@DeisGaff]

​@@Anthonyp12721 Thank you, brother, God bless you, too. Amen

[@DeisGaff]

It is the digital market. That's been the secret to this wealth transfer. A lot of folks in the US and abroad are getting so much from it, God has been good to my household. Thank you, Jesus

[@jjmulvihill]

I always appreciate videos like this that clarify religious perspectives. However, the gospel is always sold short when someone says grace without first repenting itself is unbiblical. John the Baptist preached repentance. Jesus Christ preached repentance we all must repent and believe on Jesus Christ to be saved.

[@travisackermann7686]

Whats the difference between a true seeker of Christ and one who only pretends? A pretender has to go to his pastor to get answers. A true seeker puts in his own effort and has his own wrestle with the Lord, just like Jacob of old. Isnt it interesting that Mormons will take truth wherever it is found - they can find the good in everything. They invite all to seek for themselves and discern for themselves. Contrast that with what you see from protestants and evangelicals. They tell you not to even look, like they are afraid of something. By their fruits ye shall know a true beleiver, a true doctrine, a true anything. If you cant recognize good fruit for YOURSELF... well, good luck to you.

[@tamansawo3391]

..let him be anathema!

[@Jimoutdoors]

As a Mormon you likey don’t believe the way I do. But I worship God with all my Heart. And his Son Jesus Christ. Call me what you want. I’m still going to follow the 10 commandments and try to be a good person. If you think, I’m misguided or wrong that’s ok. If you think I’m going to Hell for believing in Jesus Christ then I think your judgement is clouded. I know I cannot earn my way into Heaven, I am saved by Grace after all I can do. I have to repent and try harder but I do try. I have many friends who are Baptist, or of other faiths and I love them and I know God has reserved a special place in Heaven because they are absolute angels on this earth. Such good people. But if you look at me with eyes of judgement because I believe The Father and the Son are different entities then like I said that’s ok. I happen to believe the account of the 14 year old boy named Joseph Smith who actually saw The Father and the Son. Hate me for that belief if you will, but just know what I return to you is Love my friend!

[@tongatours]

😂😂😂, dude the Bible says God allows ppl to believe what they want and worship false gods and false teachings and that's exactly what you are doing

[@Desert-edDave]

You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-and tremble! -James 2:19 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ -Matthew 7:21-23 Jesus answered and said unto him, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." -John 3:3 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." -John 14:6-7 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast. -Ephesians 2:8-9 Universalism is antichrist and contradicts the Gospel. Jesus Christ is God, Messiah, and Lord.

[@SnappyFellow]

Christian means worshipping and following Jesus Christ. It does not necessarily entail subscribing to prevailing theological tenets. What Frank should have said is that those doctrines make them an outlier. There is no shortage of doctrinal discord between the more prominent Christian denominations, anyway.

[@sidwhiting665]

It's clear though that Mormons don't even mean the same thing when they say the name Jesus as Christians do. Christians believe Jesus is the divine son of God who is a distinct person of the Trinity and is co-equal in power and majesty to God the Father, but isn't a separate "god". Mormons think Jesus is not divine and started life simply a child who was not eternal but was born out of a union of a heavenly father and mother and they reject his divinity and also that of the Holy Spirit. So we're not even talking about the same person. Not even close. Jesus Christ is either God or he's not. This isn't a minor issue like whether you use a pipe organ or a worship band.

[@SnappyFellow]

@@sidwhiting665 Based on your description of our beliefs, it looks like you'll need to go back and do some more research. A lot more. Your friends, or whatever source(s) you're getting these notions from are demonstrably quite ignorant of our fundamental tenets. What you've claimed we believe and teach about Jesus is not correct. We also believe in the everlasting divinity of Jesus Christ and his Godhood, as well as that of the Holy Spirit. To demonstrate this, let's refer to a couple of our canonical Articles of Faith: I. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. III. We believe that through the atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinance of the gospel. See, we worship the divine and Almighty Son of God, and call our church after Him because He is our Savior and Redeemer. We are Christians because we know His exalted station as the Creator of the heavens and the earth, we know His divine Sonship, and we know His role as the very Lamb of God who gave His life in the service of His Father's will, paved the path to heaven with His sinless blood, and rose from the dead by virtue of His unbreakable power over life and death. You're welcome to disagree about the particulars, but our church follows and worships Christ just as well as you.

[@SnappyFellow]

@@sidwhiting665 Based on your description of our beliefs, it looks like you need do some more research. A lot more. Your friends, or your church, or whatever source(s) you're getting these ideas from are demonstrably ignorant of our fundamental tenets. We too believe in the everlasting divinity and godhood of Jesus Christ, as well as that of the Holy Spirit. We also hold that He is the literal Son of God the Father, and the Savior and Redeemer of humankind. To wit, let's refer to a few of our canonical Articles of Faith: #1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. #3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

[@SnappyFellow]

@@sidwhiting665 I affirm to you that we worship and follow our Lord Jesus Christ, and have called our church after Him (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints). We follow His example, keep His commandments, and worship His holy name because we know His exalted station as the Creator of the heavens and the earth, we know His divine Sonship of the Eternal Father, and we know His role as the very Lamb of God in which He gave His life in the service of His Father's will, paved the way to Heaven with His sinless blood, and rose from the dead by virtue of His unbreakable power of life and death. You're welcome to disagree with the doctrines we hold, but we as latter-day saints and members of the Church of Jesus Christ are Christians by any good measure of the word.

[@jonasaras]

@@SnappyFellowSadly, you do not see the disconnect in what you written. Jesus is not the “literal” son of God and no one is saved through obedience of laws.

[@user-fe6km7gw8m]

Was in the Mormon Church from age 5 to 14. When I was 10 the Bishop handed me a KJV Bible with my name in it and a congratulations for my Sunday School lessons being up to date, attendance, and memory work. I said Thank you, and asked if it was ok to ask a question. He said please do. I asked why we kept Sunday and the Jewish Synagogue across the road from us went to church on Saturday? He never answered me, he turned and walked away. My Sunday school teacher had a different look towards me. My Great Grandmother told me that the question should never have been asked, I am not to question those above me. Do you know why the Christian world keeps Sunday? There's no proof in the Bible of Jesus or his disciples changed the day.

[@Joseph-tu6dt]

Acts 20:7

[@user-fe6km7gw8m]

@@Joseph-tu6dt Many try to use this passage to prove that Sabbath changed to Sunday, but where in the Bible does God say that man has ANY RIGHT TO CHANGE HIS HOLY LAW. Daniel 7:25 says, "...and think to change times and laws... . Rome has admitted long ago that they were the ones to change the Commandments of God, and anyone who believes God himself did it, is deceived to think so. It was "an act of her ecclesiastical authority." Acts 20:7 is nothing but a shot in the dark, from the hip, blindfolded to boot! Too many think this will suffice to give evidence that the Sabbath Commandment was changed. See also Acts 2:42-46

[@CalledChosenandFaithful]

My question is what is the difference between them and trinitarians? They both use a one scripture teaching on baptism. The Mormons use Cor. 15:29 for proxy and trinity believers Matt. 28:19. Yet nobody used those formulas in scripture. They all used the name of Jesus, for the forgiveness of sins. Paul was baptized in Jesus name in Acts 22:16. Peter and Matthew baptized in Jesus name 3,000 all the Apostles all used it in Acts 2:38. Peter and John in Acts 8:12-16. Paul used in Acts 19:5. Call it the way to baptize in Gal. 3:27, Rom. 6:3-5 and elsewhere. Yet only the devil used one verse texts in Matt. 4:1-11. In the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses everything is established Det. 17:3-6; Matt 16:18 and 2 Cor 13:1. So if the Mormons are a cult so are the trinitarians. You judge yourself guilty and unworthy of the truth.

[@brettpinion4233]

They teach Jesus was a past humanoid from another planet who is "progressing" just as countless Gods before him. The biblical Jesus is eternal, never changing, perfect love, truth and justice. The biblical Jesus has the power to save and made the "perfect" sacrifice which is acceptable to cover our sins if we choose to accept his gift and follow him. The LDS Jesus was not perfect, is not eternal, is not the creator of the Universe, cannot offer the perfect sacrifice because he is not eternally sinless, and this is just the beginning of countless other differences between the truth and the falsehood of LDS.

[@JadDragon]

Your logic doesn't follow. If you teach a different God and Jesus you aren't Christian anymore than Mussies are.

[@CalledChosenandFaithful]

@@JadDragon Rather instead you did NOT address anything and lack any logic in your response. You're still in sin then.

[@CalledChosenandFaithful]

@@brettpinion4233Interesting but that wasn't the point. If they're wrong in their baptism then so are the trinitarians in theirs.

[@glcsprince]

He doesn't understand that Mormons belief it is by grace we are saved. The Book of Mormon is clear on that issue. But the myths that we believe we are saved by our works is false. What we do say is that a true believer will obey His commandments because he our she has been born again. Christ says in the gospel of John that greater love is there than when a man lays down His life for His friends. He then says that if you are his friend, then you should keep His commandments. Obedience follows this who truly believe that Jesus is the Christ. Else why does Jesus teach us to keep His commandments. We strive to do our best to keep His commandments, but we often fail to so. So, we must continue to repent daily. Sine have said that a saint is a sinner that keeps repenting and trying to become better each day. Christ's mercy justifies the truly penitent who strive to be committed disciples of Christ. John 17 is a great place to learn about Jesus Christ and His Father and how Christ prays for His disciples to also become one with Jesus Christ and the father. Finally, we have no scripture that says we're going to get planet of we're good boys and girls. We believe in what Paul says in Romans 8:16-17. Eternal life and exaltation are given to those who qualify, as stated therein by Paul. We become joint heirs with Christ. I believe if he truly knew what we believed, he might have a different opinion than he currently has.

[@trentitybrehm5105]

In Alma 7:10 (the Book of Mormon), they say Jesus would be born in Jerusalem. Micha 5:2 (from the Old Testament) Messiah is prophecied to be born in Bethlehem. We have copies of this document from the Dead Sea Scrolls dating to a century or two before Christ. Bethlehem is a different city than Jerusalem. Jesus was born in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:1) 1 Nephi 18:25, 2 Nephi 12:7, Mosiah 9:9, and Ether 9:19 discribes plants and animals being in the Americas that we know were no here until they were brought by colonizers. 1 Nephi 19, 1 Nephi 18:25 discusses there being metal working like swords, armor, and coins when there is no evidence anywhere in the Americas of any metal work being done or ever found. Alma 11 talks about metal coins being used as currency when there are no metal coins to be found anywhere in the Americas until colonialism. Mormon 8:2 and Ether 15 discuss battles with hundreds of thousands to millions of people, using armor and metals, with chariots, and there is no evidence of any such battles taking place. Even with small battles, there is always massive amounts of evidence that it happened from human remains, armor, arrowheads, swords, ect. and we find none of that for these battles. Jesus created Lucifer and all things that are created. John 1:1-3 and Colossians 1:16-17 Isaiah 43:10 “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. Isaiah 44:6 “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God. Proverbs 28:26 He who trusts in his own heart is a fool, But whoever walks wisely will be delivered. Jeramiah 17:9 “The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it? We have the writing of the disciples of the Apostles and the disciples of those disciples, and they not only quote much of the New Testament, but all the core idea of Christianty are present. Jesus being God, the Son of God, dying for sins, burial, resurrection, ascension to heaven. We also have writing of Jewish and Pagan contemporary historians who were hostile towards Jesus, who say the same things : Jesus being worshipped as God, the Son of God, dying for on the cross, burial, resurrection. The archeology matches the Bible perfectly all the way from Genesis through the New Testament. The fact that there are so many manuscripts makes it easy to tell when someone changed one, and modern Bibles are transparent about any differences in the footnotes. Over 5,000 manuscripts in the original Greek and 20,000 in other lanuages. None of those differences found between manuscripts change anything about any core doctrines of Christianity, they are mainly a handwriting error on a letter or a different way to word something that means the same thing. There is 99.5% accuracy between the manuscripts according to scholars. The Book of Mormon has none of this.

[@TheHcjfctc]

This is an area where Christians and Mormons talk past each other. True that Mormons don’t believe you have to do works to be initially saved and go to the heavenly kingdoms, but they do believe you need to do certain practices to get into the Celestial Kingdom. Christians don’t believe in the Celestial Kingdom and believe that salvation is being with God in eternity. If I understand correctly, those in the terrestrial and telestial kingdoms are not in the presence of God, so in essence, Christians are still correct since it takes works to get to the Kingdom that would be in God’s presence.

[@glcsprince]

@TheHcjfctc Will all men go to heaven? I don't believe other Christian denominations all men will live with God except those who believe in Christ and accept Him as their Savior. It is m man's choice to decide to have faith in Christ. If they don't, then they choose to cut themselves off from the presence of God. Damnation is existing without God's presence which is described as an never ending fire (hell). Such is the case of those who choose to reject Christ as their Redeemer.

[@redfive2008]

“One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of God; that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation,” (Miracle of Forgiveness, by Spencer W. Kimball, p. 206). According to Mormon doctrine, grace alone is insufficient. Good works are necessary for salvation (Articles of Faith, p. 92). There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 188). “As these sins are the result of individual acts it is just that forgiveness for them should be conditioned on individual compliance with prescribed requirements - ‘obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel,'” (Articles of Faith, p. 79). “This grace is an enabling power that allows men and women to lay hold on eternal life and exaltation *after they have expended their own best efforts*,” (LDS Bible Dictionary, p. 697). [emphasis mine] “We know that it is by grace that we are saved, *after all we can do*,” (2 Nephi 25:23). [emphasis mine] “And I say unto you again that he cannot save them in their sins; for I cannot deny his word, and he hath said that no unclean thing can inherit the kingdom of heaven; therefore, how can ye be saved, except ye inherit the kingdom of heaven? Therefore, ye cannot be saved in your sins” (The Book of Mormon, Alma 11:37) “But all of these blessings are ours on one condition, and this is spoken of by Nephi, when he said: For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, [but mark you this condition,] after all we can do” (Harold B. Lee, Conference Reports, April 1956, p.111. Brackets in original). If other things are required, then grace alone is not what saves you, according to Mormon doctrine. ------------------------------------------------------ "Finally, we have no scripture that says we're going to get planet of we're good boys and girls." After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345-347, 354). “Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them,” (DC 132:20). God used to be a man on another planet (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321; Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 345; Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333). So, by being a good Mormon, we have the chance to become a god ourselves. But there is only one god over *this* planet, and that god came from another planet himself, so clearly the inference is that we Earthlings who are elevated to godhood by being good Mormons must also earn our own planets to rule.

[@Desert-edDave]

@@glcsprince Do not think salvation is by accepting Christ as savior alone but ALSO as Lord, unless you think Christ's warning in Matthew 7:21-23 is a lie. You must also do what He says, not just accepting grace but being born again in Christ. This isn't works so much as it is evidence of being renewed in Christ and being born again.

[@FlatEarthMath]

It's very hard to answer this question correctly when Frank's core beliefs about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints are dead wrong. Polytheistic? Please.

[@Holden-uf7]

Do mormons believe that Jesus is God?

[@brettpinion4233]

LDS has been very clear since Joseph Smith. As man is God once was. This is a direct quote. LDS believes in endless Gods. It worships a different Father and Son. God bless.

[@Charistoph]

@@brettpinion4233, there is but one God. The Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are united in ways that marriage is to be akin to (Genesis 2: 24). In that unity, they are all God. What one says, it is if all were saying it. Jesus points this out a couple times in His great Intercessory Prayer in John 17. "...Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are." -v11, KJV. "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." - 21, KJV. We are expected to become one with Jesus and the Father. In so doing, we become God, just like John said, "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." -1 John 3: 2, KJV. Joseph Smith, Jr, was just speaking in modern English, not English from 300 years before translated from Greek.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

It's clickbait. Things were getting a bit slow in Christian Chaos land.

[@FlatEarthMath]

@@brettpinion4233 "LDS has been very clear" is inaccurate. Opinions by early church leaders has been, uh, mixed. Polygamy and prohibition of black men to the priesthood are two that come to mind. One could just as easily cite those and claim they're current doctrine. So no, the church is not polytheistic. It does not promise we will become gods with our own planets. It does not claim God was once a man.

[@larzman651]

Nope not even close to a disciple of CHRIST JESUS. That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved

[@kableguy5525]

Interesting.......so the Trinity is a biblical view? It says three persons in one essence regarding the Trinity? Hmmm....where does it say this? But what did Jesus himself say? We should follow his teaching to be Christian right? Most today of course worship Jesus as God, but from what I can find Jesus never said worship me because I am God. In fact, didn't Jesus himself say the following about what we should believe?... John 17:22 Jesus said he was one with God.... just as his disciples are one (pretty obvious its all about being in unity!) Matt 4:10 - Jesus said to the enemy Satan that it is only Yahweh that we should worship and render sacred service (quoted Deut 6:13 which uses the Divine name - Tetragrammaton) Jesus words here also shows that Jesus is not Yahweh (or Yahovah or Jehovah) which Mormons believe. Matt 6:9 - Jesus said that when we pray to the father in heaven, we are to sanctify his father's name (Jesus never said pray to him) John 17: - Jesus said that he came to make his father's name known John 20:17 - Jesus said here that his Father is his God, and his father is our God and father as well John 14:28 - Jesus said the father is greater than he is. John 17:3 - Jesus said to have everlasting life we must come to know you, the only true God, and the one that he SENT Jesus Christ Matt 12:28 - Jesus said he expelled demons by means of Gods spirit - then in Luke 11:20 Jesus also says ......... Luke 11:20 - Jesus said he used Gods finger to expel demons (so Gods holy spirit is not a person but is Gods finger - his instrument - his power that he allows his son to use to do many powerful things in God's name - not his own. So.......I'm going to follow Jesus' teaching which agrees with the rest of the Bible. That is worship the true God, Yahweh (or whatever pronunciation you want to use) and follow Jesus' footsteps as he is Gods son (that God sent to earth to represent him) and not God clearly from what he himself taught. Have a nice day 😊

[@FAITHFreedomFirearms]

Tell me what the difference is between Mormons thinking that they can go to heaven and become gods and men on Earth changing God's holy Seventh-Day Sabbath to Sunday. Does that not make them like God on Earth? Both systems exalt man over the divine.

[@boardtodeath46]

Is it possible you may be lacking understanding? A few pieces of logic here and there?

[@FAITHFreedomFirearms]

@boardtodeath46 A Christian is defined as a person who follows Jesus Christ, and according to the Bible, particularly in John 14:15, a true Christian will actively follow Jesus' commandments because they love Him, essentially demonstrating love for Jesus through obedience to His teachings. If someone willfully sins and breaks Jesus' Ten Commandments, they are not considered true followers of Christ, as the Commandments are seen as foundational principles of Christian living that a genuine believer should strive to uphold.

[@boardtodeath46]

@@FAITHFreedomFirearms so yes, the lds faith is Christian

[@FAITHFreedomFirearms]

@@boardtodeath46 I would consider it hypocritical for any church denomination to criticize another denomination for not following scripture when they themselves are not fully adhering to the same scripture. The Bible explicitly condemns hypocrisy, particularly in the teachings of Jesus where he criticizes the Pharisees for outward displays of piety while neglecting inner morality. Focus on personal practice: instead of criticizing other denominations, the focus should be on ensuring one's own church community is faithfully following the scripture.

[@boardtodeath46]

@@FAITHFreedomFirearms there are a lot of scriptures that only the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints seem to be following. Why are others not? Why are there no other churches with 12 apostles? Temples of God? Baptisms for the dead? Sealings? All three high priesthoods? There are things that it seems like we are the only one that is identical to the original gospel of Christ.

[@bobcatpnw9123]

They are by definition NOT Christian’s. Jesus is God, not one of manny.

[@wes2176]

By whose definition?

[@Ruby_Villain]

What about God the father?

[@miloradvlaovic]

Christianity is dogmatic and has historical hierarchy and authority over what is defined to be a Christian denomination. Mormonism *is not* by any stretch of imagination, and what "non-christians" think can not change Christian dogma.

[@saved217]

@@Ruby_Villain . God the father, God the son, and God the Holy Spirit. The trinity.

[@saved217]

@@wes2176 The Trinty is biblical.

[@timothy4131]

Any person that tells me that Jesus and the devil are brothers is the devil because he is a liar Jesus is God the whole universe can't contain him the Devil is a created being a speck to God's littlest toe

[@redplanet76]

Perhaps you can quote from the Mormons, like in their scriptures or something, where it says Jesus and the Devil are brothers.

[@mattr.1887]

Why did God create the devil?

[@timothy4131]

@@mattr.1887 you know you can ask him yourself I could give you what I think is an answer but I don't know what the mind of God is but I do know this that even the devil serves God everything in creation serves God

[@JadDragon]

​@@redplanet76 are you claiming that you don't teach we are all spirit siblings, including Jesus and Satan?

[@ManonDeLArt]

@@JadDragon The comment thread we were discussing on seems to have gotten deleted so I’m replying here. Context isn’t self evident or there would be no need for pastors, or biblical degrees. If you truly trust that they got it right for 2000 years then you are catholic and reject the reformation. If it was self evident there would be no need for literary analysis or creeds. Or Paul correcting the saints because of their false understandings. The Protestants condemn the Catholics so the misinterpretations must have been egregious.

[@ianbartels7242]

Member of the Church of Jesus Christ here. What this preacher is saying, while well intentioned, is not accurate. If you have questions about The Church of Jesus Christ, my advice is go to the church’s website and read for yourself. Or talk to someone that is an active member of the church. It’s like, if you had a question about what baptists believe, would you go ask someone that’s Mormon? No. It doesn’t make sense.

[@kbirdie55]

Mormons are indoctrinated and are not Christian. Sorry bro. Truth is truth. Jesus Christ of the Christian faith is the one true Christ.

[@flight2k5]

Mormonism is not Christian

[@ianbartels7242]

@ Why not? I 100% believe in the Bible, I believe that Jesus Christ died for us and was resurrected. How am I not a Christian?

[@flight2k5]

@ the Jesus you believe in is not the same. You believe Jesus and Lucifer are brothers. You think you’ll become a god of your own planet etc

[@kbirdie55]

@ different Christ. Different gospel. The Book of Mormon contradicts and makes both Jesus and God the Father to be liars. Bible is very clear that if you preach a different message then you are damned.

[@spyrosstivactas2300]

“Three persons of one divine essence.” Where did you get that terminology from Turek? It is certainly not in Sola Scriptura. I understand you will find, the Father, the Begotten Son and the Holy Spirit in the Bible. But this in particular is a philosophical term. The Dediche, the book of instructions put together by the Apostles 5 days after His resurrection, so as Bishops will maintain uniformity by preaching in a Catholic and Orthodox manner throughout the Churches. Or was it from the Patriarch of Antioch, St Ignatius. Or was it from Justin Martyr a deacon who defended the Churches Divine Liturgy and worship as being superior to pagan philosophy. Join the Orthodox Church and get the fullness of the Truth! For His is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory.☦️🙏💕

[@warrenbuyer]

Truth. Bible defines things one way, and Mormons define it a different way. Christ, Grace, they have different ideas about it all

[@boardtodeath46]

If your position that Mormons don’t follow Christ because they have a different interpretation of the gospel than you, you might as well say every church doesn’t follow Christ. Please, name the one, True complete Gospel of Christ.

[@oreally8605]

They're pretty much the same as Jehovah's false witnesses.

[@jss1724]

100% wrong

[@celestialmorpho]

In that they’re both not christian’s so yes

[@jollyrancher521]

Mormon theology is very different from what we as Jehovah's Witnesses believe. We believe that only the Father is God. God’s personal name is Jehovah (Psalm 83:18). Jesus is God's son. Jesus was "begotten" by God, or produced by God. He is God's "firstborn" (Col 1:15) and the beginning of the creation by God (Revelation 3:14). God the Father, on the other hand, does not have a beginning. (Psalm 90:2) 1 Corinthians 8:6 states, "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." Jesus is rightly called Lord since God is the one who made him Lord (Acts 2:36) and exalted him to the highest position (Phil 2:9) and gave him all authority over heaven and earth (Mat. 28:18), but Jesus is not the same as Almighty God. Jesus even refers to his Father on more than one occasion as "my God". (John 20:17, Rev 3:12) In John 17:3, Jesus called his Father in heaven "the only true God."

[@sameirali5946]

@@jollyrancher521 what happened in 1975 ?

[@TruthMode]

@@jollyrancher521 Well said Brother. ❤

[@cheifhughw9349]

If you want to know what Mormons believe, ask a Mormon. You don't ask a Mormon what Frank believes in.

[@edadan]

I was raised Catholic, but I never get an honest answer when I talk to Catholics about Mary. Likewise, I've talked to quite a few Mormons and I never get a straight answer from any of them. Why is it that they don't want to admit what their true beliefs are when talking to "outsiders"?

[@garyevans4524]

Definition of a cult is they deny the deity of Christ

[@TexasRivermedic]

Or you can just read it for yourselves. I have a Book of Mormon written in the 1960’s, Pearl of Great Price and Doctrine and Covenants written in the 1920’s and they don’t read the same as my 1991 and later versions; they have been rewritten in many areas

[@camonly849]

Mormans believe in a man who completely lied to them. So many contradictions. I don't get how anyone could believe that non sense.

[@thereporter9384]

@@edadanthrow out any questions

[@Christian_Tango_Christ]

Catholicism is not Christianity either❗️✝️ 😇

[@Charistoph]

Then there is no Christianity, for Protestantism depends on Catholicism for everything it has.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"Catholicism is not Christianity either" A billion Catholics wonder at your arrogance.

[@beadoll8025]

​​​Wrong! The church started after Christ's ascension and that church was the Church of Antioch. The apostate RCC didn't become official until the late 590's AD with pope Gregory. Furthermore, RCC is the church that heavily persecuted genuine Christians and initiated the Crusades. This false church brings great shame because they aren't teaching the Gospel/GOOD NEWS they teach a works righteousness religion like all the other false religions.

[@Gek1177]

​@@beadoll8025you forgetting the Council of Nicene?

[@dman7668]

@@Christian_Tango_Christ I think you just misspoke. Since protestantism comes after Catholicism.

[@user-eo4sc1ip7n]

King Follett discourse, read it and you will know!

[@Djwhynotlove]

Mormons have the King James Bible as their main Bible. We believe in the trinity! Everyone I've talked to believes Jesus is of the father and the Holy Ghost. You can't assume you know the BofM without living it. Been reading the Book of Mormon Made Easier books and they all cross back and forth with the Bible.. There are things I don't yet understand but I'm still searching. Jared Halverson a professional religious educator - BYU has great approaches for how to research approach faith crisis. James 1.5 if any of you lack wisdom let him ask. Research Steven C Harper for questions on the Mormon faith, not a Christian who only assumes he knows what he's talking about when it comes to Mormons or what we are truly called, The Church of Jesus Christ of Ladder Day Saints

[@jessekoeven3757]

We do not embrace the Trinity, we believe in the Godhead. Trinity=3 beings one God Godhead=3 beings united in all things except bodily, or as the 3-in-1 spirit essence that some Christians claim to worship. It is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints with two "t"s, not "d"s

[@trentitybrehm5105]

In Alma 7:10 (the Book of Mormon), they say Jesus would be born in Jerusalem. Micha 5:2 (from the Old Testament) Messiah is prophecied to be born in Bethlehem. We have copies of this document from the Dead Sea Scrolls dating to a century or two before Christ. Bethlehem is a different city than Jerusalem. Jesus was born in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:1) 1 Nephi 18:25, 2 Nephi 12:7, Mosiah 9:9, and Ether 9:19 discribes plants and animals being in the Americas that we know were no here until they were brought by colonizers. 1 Nephi 19, 1 Nephi 18:25 discusses there being metal working like swords, armor, and coins when there is no evidence anywhere in the Americas of any metal work being done or ever found. Alma 11 talks about metal coins being used as currency when there are no metal coins to be found anywhere in the Americas until colonialism. Mormon 8:2 and Ether 15 discuss battles with hundreds of thousands to millions of people, using armor and metals, with chariots, and there is no evidence of any such battles taking place. Even with small battles, there is always massive amounts of evidence that it happened from human remains, armor, arrowheads, swords, ect. and we find none of that for these battles. Jesus created Lucifer and all things that are created. John 1:1-3 and Colossians 1:16-17 Isaiah 43:10 “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. Isaiah 44:6 “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God. Proverbs 28:26 He who trusts in his own heart is a fool, But whoever walks wisely will be delivered. Jeramiah 17:9 “The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it? We have the writing of the disciples of the Apostles and the disciples of those disciples, and they not only quote much of the New Testament, but all the core idea of Christianty are present. Jesus being God, the Son of God, dying for sins, burial, resurrection, ascension to heaven. We also have writing of Jewish and Pagan contemporary historians who were hostile towards Jesus, who say the same things : Jesus being worshipped as God, the Son of God, dying for on the cross, burial, resurrection. The archeology matches the Bible perfectly all the way from Genesis through the New Testament. The fact that there are so many manuscripts makes it easy to tell when someone changed one, and modern Bibles are transparent about any differences in the footnotes. Over 5,000 manuscripts in the original Greek and 20,000 in other lanuages. None of those differences found between manuscripts change anything about any core doctrines of Christianity, they are mainly a handwriting error on a letter or a different way to word something that means the same thing. There is 99.5% accuracy between the manuscripts according to scholars. The Book of Mormon has none of this.

[@trentitybrehm5105]

@@jessekoeven3757 Jesus is the eteranl, uncreated, creator of all things. Ex Nihilo. Out of nothing.

[@jessekoeven3757]

@trentitybrehm5105 New World Archeology is catching up. There is plentiful evidence of all the things you just described among the Edina and Hopewell mound builder civilizations in the USA. As far as the "discrepancy" concerning Christ's birthplace. It was ancient practice if the audience of a speaker was not familiar with the geography of the area being referenced, to refer to the area as "the land of... then use a geographic place familiar to the audience as a reference and continue with the subject. Bethlehem is extremely close to Jerusalem, so this fits within the ancient practice. Besides, if Joseph had written the Book of Mormon, he would have invariably used Bethelehem, not "land of Jerusalem." I am not arguing historicity, but doctrinal consistency between the beliefs and practices of the Hebrews to the NT apostles, then to the Christian Church through its foundational years until it was renamed "the Roman Catholic Church" and with the embracing of the Trinity, among other doctrines and practices, that consistency goes away.

[@Originaldoctrine]

Actually Mormons don’t believe in the trinity; that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are the same being but three different persons. Mormons believe in the Godhead. That the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are three different beings.

[@Charistoph]

The funny thing is, no proper Mormon has claimed that they are traditional Christians. That is because what is considered a traditional Christian has been led astray by the philosophies of men mingled with scripture, aka The Creeds. That is why Mormons consider themselves Restoriationists. There is as much traditional Christianity in Mormons as there is traditional Judaism in any Christian. Well, may be a bit more. One other point, it seems that the speaker is either not familiar with notable parts of The Bible, or has a misunderstanding of what Mormons teach. I doubt Dr Brady Blevins is properly informed either, as they both filter Mormon words through their own views without properly attempting to understand them. Both Jesus Christ and James have words about those who think simply believing will provide salvation with nothing more being needed. In Matthew 25, Jesus gives 2 parables, the Parable of the Talents and the Parable of the Sheep and the Goats. In both cases there was someone who believed, but did nothing more, and so were cast out. James (emphasized in chapter 2) warns that those do nothing more than believe will have dead faith, and it won't help them. One last note, there is but one God. The Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are united in ways that marriage is to be akin to (Genesis 2: 24). In that unity, they are all God. What one says, it is if all were saying it. Jesus points this out a couple times in His great Intercessory Prayer in John 17. "...Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are." -v11, KJV. "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." - 21, KJV Nothing about the Trinity is spoken in this, unless the speaker is suggesting that we will all become one conglomeration in Christ? We are expected to become one with Jesus and the Father. In so doing, we become God, just like John said, "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." -1 John 3: 2, KJV.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"no proper Mormon has claimed that they are traditional Christians." Thank you. I am certainly a Christian, but using the word in ordinary conversation is imprecise since thousands of different Christian churches exist with many deep differences. I find the creeds to be incomprehensible; apparently by design.

[@JadDragon]

​@@thomasmaughan4798 If you're morm you aren't Christian. You don't have truth.

[@JadDragon]

You teach God is created, you aren't Christian. You have no truth.

[@Charistoph]

@@JadDragon, your statement is lacking context and therefore false. Try learning of our teachings from us rather than from those who sell religion for money.

[@cryptochris9001]

Correct. Restore and revert. Not convert. Everyone on planet Earth once knew about Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ unfortunately over time here on Earth people have been led astray.

[@kcb5336]

Mormon guy here. This is something I could never understand about Protestant Christianity. The arrogance! Who are you to tell me I’m not Christian?!? As a Mormon missionary my favorite thing to teach was that many people believe in God. Though we may call him by different name, most people believe in God. Look for what we have in common. These same Protestant Christians say the same thing about Muslims. I could never imagine telling someone their belief is wrong like that. Very strange to me

[@charlotte-m5d]

I was a Mormon for years and it never occurred to me I wasn’t a Christian.

[@MathiasVIKING0403]

But,it is though.. so why not attempt to inform them? Means that one doesn't care about another's salvation to not inform them. I care enough about your salvation to say that Joe Smith was a fraud. That Mormons are not really "Christians. Their Mormons,.. just like they claim to be. Simple. You said it yourself" Mormon guy here" . If the Bible is so corrupted,show me in the dead sea scrolls the differences and the date of the changes? My dead sea Bible correlates with the KJV with absolute accuracy. How come they are totally different from the book of Mormon? The dead Sea scrolls predate the KJV by 1800 years , and Joseph Smith by over 2000 years. But yet are perfectly matched to the KJV,but nowhere near the book of Mormon. Personally I think the book of Mormon is right there along with the book of Enoch in terms of biblical reliability and reference. It's simply not biblical. Any religion that thinks that a human could receive a better revelation than Jesus is a false religion, .. period. That includes Islame as well. This is not a protestant neither, I'm Christian.. period. Show me the scriptures that show where all the denominations are separated at the gates of heaven? There are none. Faith in Christ Jesus is NON-DENOMINATIONAL!

[@edadan]

The Bible tells you that you are not Christian.

[@xrcustomizing7102]

Simple question for you. Who is Jesus?

[@kcb5336]

@@xrcustomizing7102 the son of God. The mediator to the father. Our savior from sin. Those are the simple answers. Multiple answers possible but I’m sure no matter what I answer you’ll disagree

[@hhh-et2vi]

One thing all religions have in common, they all think they're right, and everyone else is wrong, when they are probably ALL wrong.

[@sethsuleiman4419]

The right one are those who have the scripture (guidance) revealed from god Himself; ie. authored by god Himself. Such scripture is flawless and protected against corruption.

[@hhh-et2vi]

​@@sethsuleiman4419Then we need a God to come forward and explain (to everyone) which scripture actually comes from him. A real God should be able communicate to its people better.

[@sethsuleiman4419]

@@hhh-et2vi God's way is to appoint and reveal guidance to prophets who then conveyed to the people (in human terms). He has done it over the ages since noah.

[@hhh-et2vi]

@@sethsuleiman4419 That's a terrible way to pass down information, if your God was all powerful he wouldn't play the game of telephone, you would never trust me if I claimed to be a prophet.

[@hhh-et2vi]

@@sethsuleiman4419 Then you mention Noah, wasn't he 950 years old, hmmmmmm

[@bradharford6052]

Here is an interesting thought to ponder. Mormons, Jehovah's witnesses, and Muslims are not Christian by evangelical, theological definition, but, they are all offspring of God and included in the death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ. Humanity was not saved by believing a particular theology, we were saved, justified, redeemed, reconciled and begotten again by the death, blood, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The working out of this objective truth into subjective experience is what Father, Son, and Spirit do in the life of every human. This is the gospel. No bad news at all.

[@trentitybrehm5105]

In Alma 7:10 (the Book of Mormon), they say Jesus would be born in Jerusalem. Micha 5:2 (from the Old Testament) Messiah is prophecied to be born in Bethlehem. We have copies of this document from the Dead Sea Scrolls dating to a century or two before Christ. Bethlehem is a different city than Jerusalem. Jesus was born in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:1) 1 Nephi 18:25, 2 Nephi 12:7, Mosiah 9:9, and Ether 9:19 discribes plants and animals being in the Americas that we know were no here until they were brought by colonizers. 1 Nephi 19, 1 Nephi 18:25 discusses there being metal working like swords, armor, and coins when there is no evidence anywhere in the Americas of any metal work being done or ever found. Alma 11 talks about metal coins being used as currency when there are no metal coins to be found anywhere in the Americas until colonialism. Mormon 8:2 and Ether 15 discuss battles with hundreds of thousands to millions of people, using armor and metals, with chariots, and there is no evidence of any such battles taking place. Even with small battles, there is always massive amounts of evidence that it happened from human remains, armor, arrowheads, swords, ect. and we find none of that for these battles. Jesus created Lucifer and all things that are created. John 1:1-3 and Colossians 1:16-17 Isaiah 43:10 “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. Isaiah 44:6 “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God. Proverbs 28:26 He who trusts in his own heart is a fool, But whoever walks wisely will be delivered. Jeramiah 17:9 “The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it? We have the writing of the disciples of the Apostles and the disciples of those discip les, and they not only quote much of the New Testament, but all the core idea of Christianty are present. Jesus being God, the Son of God, dying for sins, burial, resurrection, ascension to heaven. We also have writing of Jewish and Pagan contemporary historians who were hostile towards Jesus, who say the same things : Jesus being worshipped as God, the Son of God, dying for on the cross, burial, resurrection. The archeology matches the Bible perfectly all the way from Genesis through the New Testament. The fact that there are so many manuscripts makes it easy to tell when someone changed one, and modern Bibles are transparent about any differences in the footnotes. Over 5,000 manuscripts in the original Greek and 20,000 in other lanuages. None of those differences found between manuscripts change anything about any core doctrines of Christianity, they are mainly a handwriting error on a letter or a different way to word something that means the same thing. There is 99.5% accuracy between the manuscripts according to scholars. The Book of Mormon has none of this.

[@bradharford6052]

@@trentitybrehm5105 This comment appeared under a comment that I made and it has nothing to do with what I said. Did you respond to something else and put it under my comment by mistake?

[@thealternativecontrarian9936]

some worship Buddha, others worship Mohammad. Those who worship Jesus Christ as the divine Son of God are Christian. Glad I could correct you.

[@bradharford6052]

@ You didn’t correct me, you said the same thing I did. Christian defines those who are followers of Christ, but Christian is not synonymous with “children of God”. We are all redeemed, justified, reconciled and born again by the blood, death and resurrection of Christ, but many have not yet become followers of Jesus. Scripture is clear, Christian religion is often unclear and ambiguous.

[@thealternativecontrarian9936]

@@bradharford6052 if one believes that Jesus is the divine Son of God who was sent to redeem mankind and atone for us, then they are Christians.

[@jad-r5q]

I’m a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Some people say Mormon. I have so much Love for people of all Faith. We are all trying to get back to Christ. But to not be called a Christian is hurtful and simply wrong! Jesus Christ who died on the cross and atoned for my sins, as he did yours, is the same Jesus we worship. Now, we believe he has a Father. We pray to the Father in Jesus name. There are countless instances in the Bible, which we believe to be the word of God, we use the King James Version, in which Christ speaks to his Father. “Father if it’s possible let this cup pass from me” was he praying to himself? There are so many other instances like that. Regardless…being hated, made fun of, and persecuted is nothing new to us. I love my Savior! I can’t wait for the second coming, it is by his grace that I am saved but I will do many wonderful works of service and acts of kindness and charity because by so doing I am trying to please him and be a devoted servant to him. If you say I’m NOT Christian. I stand to correct you. I am a follower of Jesus Christ and his teachings. What’s more Christian than that? I love all of those folks in that room but fear you spread misinformation when you say we are not Christian. My 4 kids obey the commandments, never miss a Sunday at Church, pay tithing, don’t drink, don’t smoke, obey the law of chastity, don’t use foul language, and have such sweet spirits. Yet will you say they are not Christian? My dear friends we are Christians!

[@beadoll8025]

NO! Mormonism is nutbar factor 6!

[@Gek1177]

Those in glass houses should not throw stones.

[@beadoll8025]

@@Gek1177 I'm sorry I worship the True and Living God Jesus Christ and I don't believe Jesus is Satan's brother and furthermore I don't believe it's possible for a mere mortal to become a god or gods of their own planet. Please Develop a relationship with the true Jesus Christ and be Saved for your sake.

[@Gek1177]

@@beadoll8025 no, you worship what you believe to be the true and living God. What you can't do is be intellectually honest about how your beliefs compare to Mormonism.

[@kinggenius930]

And your beliefs are perfectly reasonable?

[@lloydbraun6026]

Nope and neither are Unitarian’s

[@loudogg73]

I love a lot of Frank's work but this is a major blind spot in his understanding of the gospel and the Bible as a whole.

[@loudogg73]

@kingbradley9066 There is a lot that could be said but let's just look at the issue of what he refers to as "polytheism". In short, I think it's a mistake to suggest that Christ did not mean what he said when he quoted Psalm 82. (Psalm 82 is a powerful one and worth your read if you really want to understand.) Jesus quotes it to great effect when the Jews accuse him of blasphemy for claiming to be the Son of God. He refutes them by teaching them the scripture they already have. He says, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’?" We are created in God's image and we are His heirs. As Paul explains to the Romans "The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs-heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ." Christ reiterates this in Revelation ‭3:21 when He says, "The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne." This is much different than what much of the rest of Christianity teaches but it is what Christ Himself teaches and it is what his apostles. Frank does fantastic work, he just misses this very fundamental message in the gospel despite the fact that it is clearly and repeatedly taught.

[@JadDragon]

​@@loudogg73 if you teach a different God and a different Jesus, you aren't Christian. And morms do, so they aren't

[@loudogg73]

@@JadDragon We worship the Jesus of the Bible. If that’s who you worship too, then that’s wonderful. If that’s not who you worship, then that does not change who we worship.

[@loudogg73]

​@kingbradley9066 There is a lot that could be said but let's just look at the issue of what he refers to as "polytheism". In short, I think it's a mistake to suggest that Christ did not mean what he said when he quoted Psalm 82. (Psalm 82 is a powerful one and worth your read if you really want to understand.) Jesus quotes it to great effect when the Jews accuse him of blasphemy for claiming to be the Son of God. He refutes them by teaching them the scripture they already have. He says, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’?" We are created in God's image and we are His heirs. As Paul explains to the Romans "The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs-heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ." Christ reiterates this in Revelation ‭3:21 when He says, "The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne." This is much different than what much of the rest of Christianity teaches but it is what Christ Himself teaches and it is what his apostles. Frank does fantastic work, he just misses this very fundamental message in the gospel despite the fact that it is clearly and repeatedly taught.

[@loudogg73]

​​@kingbradley9066 There is a lot that could be said but let's just look at the issue of what he refers to as "polytheism". I think it's a mistake to suggest that Christ did not mean what he said when he quoted Psalm 82. (Psalm 82 is a powerful one and worth your read if you really want to understand.) Jesus quotes it to great effect when the Jews accuse him of blasphemy for claiming to be the Son of God. He refutes them by teaching them the scripture they already have. He says, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’?" We are created in God's image and we are His heirs. As Paul explains to the Romans "The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs-heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ." Christ reiterates this in Revelation ‭3:21 when He says, "The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne." This is much different than what much of the rest of Christianity teaches but it is what Christ Himself teaches and it is what his apostles. Frank does fantastic work, he just misses this very fundamental message in the gospel despite the fact that it is clearly and repeatedly taught.

[@andre0baskin]

Mormonism emerged during the Second Great Awakening and given the time it makes sense that Joseph Smith would co-opt Christian language and concepts to define his unique cosmology. I have to wonder if Joseph Smith was born 100 years later would he instead use the language of science and technology and produce something more akin to Scientology.

[@thealternativecontrarian9936]

Grace and salvation are not the same things. Salvation requires obedience to God's commandments and his covenants, serving others, forgiving others, repenting of your own sins, showing your faith in God, and doing good to others. That is what is meant by 'works'. You are not going to have salvation without this life-long pursuit of becoming closer to God. Certianly not by verbal expressions only--one must outwardly manifest their belief in God and then show it by how they treat other people. None of this would be possible if the Son had not atoned for us. That is a free gift.... His grace. And grace does not require works (obedience). God did that part for us. "Not of works lest any man should boast." Faith without works (obedience) is dead. Don't ignore that statement. Sounds to me like the LDS church has it right.

[@The-F.R.E.E.-J.]

That whole spiel on the Trinity is the most confusing double-talk ever. To criticize the craziness of Mormons, while claiming three gods is really monotheism, is the biggest gas light in history.

[@JadDragon]

The Trinity isn't 3 gods. It's 1 God. Why are you pretending we teach something we don't?

[@The-F.R.E.E.-J.]

@@JadDragon How many "lords" are in your Trinity? Ephesians 4:5 says, one Lord, One Faith, one baptism. Your doctrine requires that there be more than one lord, more than one kind of Lord OR, God, the Father, is not the Lord. There are countless other contradictions built into this doctrine of men. It's all confusion and double mindedness and, again, requires you to believe something that makes no sense. Our God, beside whom there is no other, Jesus Christ, is not the God of confusion but of peace.

[@JadDragon]

@@The-F.R.E.E.-J. it's not confusion or double speak. You're purposefully misrepresenting what the Trinity is. The Trinity is 1 God, not 3. ‭John 1:18 LSB‬ [18] No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. God holds God, there is 1 God. Tell the truth about what we teach please.

[@The-F.R.E.E.-J.]

@@JadDragon Explain, ACCORDING TO THE TRINITY, Who are the "lords". 1) there are 2 or 3 lords? 2) there's different "types" of Lords? 3) there's 1 Lord so, the Father is NOT Lord? According to the trinity, you must pick one which are all of confusion for, it denies / contradicts scripture. I know you will not answer, you will only bring up some other scripture, which is a common technique of the religious, which makes us look like fools because you "prove" that scripture contradicts scripture. Trinity is idolatry & pagan & contempt for God, so you will not confess the One True & living God, Jesus Christ, who was & is & is to come.

[@JadDragon]

@@The-F.R.E.E.-J. 4. The Father, Son and Spirit are all the same Lord. As it's 1 God. You are lying about the Trinity.

[@mholmboy]

Sorry but Satan will always fight against the truth which is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

[@redfive2008]

Sorry, no, Mormonism is a deception.

[@a-atheist]

1. "Mormons are polytheistic" Right off the bat. Wrong. And yes they are monotheistic because they do in fact believe in one god. BY DEFINITION. "relating to or characterized by belief in or worship of more than one god." Mormons neither believe in, nor do they worship more than one god. As frank says, there's a difference between believing in, and believing that. 2. "As man is god once was." Wrong again. The official Mormon position is NOT that man will ever become "equal" to god. The Hebrew translation "“God”, “Eloah”, or “Elohim” are not a name, but a title that denotes power. 3. Even the first century Christians supports the notion that there are always indeed many gods: "1 Corinthians 8:5-6 (ASV) For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth; as there are gods many, and lords many." Clearly there's a "god" of North Korea. I guess if Christians acknowledge that fact they're not really Christians either. Oh no! You mean if you're righteous enough you can be in charge of your own planet. How is that not christian exactly? Right. It doesn't contradict Christianity. Oh because it denotes you're on the same level as christ? No it doesn't, because thats a strawman of the mormon religion. Also. Mormons do not believe that any human ever WILL become "god" lowercase g. All they say is its possible. Oh so an all powerful god does not have the capacity to let someone rule over a planet and still worship him. Cool. 4. The essence and energy distinction solves things for you frank? Thats interesting since that is still highly debated. No one is solving that anytime soon. 5. "You got grace and then you got to do more good works." Nope. False. The Mormons hold the EXACT same view on that as Orthodox. So if thats true, then the orthodox Christians aren't christian either. At least he said "Correct me if im wrong." Well, he's wrong.

[@JadDragon]

Everything you just said is false. Why can morms not be honest about their own beliefs?

[@danstanfield5570]

It's not just Catholics or Mormons. Please read Revelation of Jesus Christ KJV. "I know your works, you say you have a name that's alive and you are dead." God does not do dead things. (2nd commandment) Just Christian ever since Antioch, make NO mistake. ALL others are dead in antichrist. Matt. 24:5 = 1 Jn. 2:18 KJV

[@Mavors1099]

What a lot of crap.

[@JUSLOFI]

Do Christians worship the same God as Jews and Muslims?

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

No. Muslims believe that Ishmael was the child of promise instead of Isaac, and Orthodox Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah and the Son of God. Muslims also reject Jesus as the Messiah on the grounds that they believe He was just a prophet. They don't believe He was/is God. Both of their religions are fundamentally contradictory to Christianity.

[@trentitybrehm5105]

Of the Jews, yes, but not as the Muslims.

[@JUSLOFI]

​@@trentitybrehm5105 Jews say Muslims worship the same God. Jews say Christians are pagans who worship a false messiah as a demi-god.

[@dancingkirby3591]

No audio. I think KZbin just censored you.

[@PatriciaDaugherty-y8h]

I came accrossed one of your videos so i looked a little further for a more recent video. Across the video it said ASK ME ANYTHING. So heres my question, I know of and hear a lot about 2 different baptisms. 1 of water and 2 of the Holy Spirit,I do believe that every Word that was breathed by God to be true. Whether I understand or not. But what I would like is conformation on the 3rd baptism.

[@swish007]

I'm not sure there IS a third baptism. there's baptism by the holy spirit when you're saved, and then there's the water baptism which imo is a physical reflection of that spiritual process.. out of curiosity why do you ask? are you Lutheran?

[@somethingtothinkabout167]

Luke 12:50 But I have a baptism to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! This may refer to the sanctification brought about by the trials and temptations in life as He had already had been baptised in water and had the Spirit descend and remain on Him.

[@swish007]

@@somethingtothinkabout167 well this is Jesus talking and within the context of the passage, it makes the most sense that the baptism he's referring to is his upcoming ordeal on the cross. This verse doesn't apply to us in terms of any kind of extra baptism that we need to do.

[@somethingtothinkabout167]

@@swish007 and yet we are told to take up our crosses and persevere, so maybe it is.

[@iamthegreatcornholio7836]

i'm trying to decide which way to go...jehovah's witnesses or mormon. got it narrowed down.

[@AlliedGhost]

they are both cults. That will lead you to hell. Follow The apostle Paul. His Gospel. Faith alone in Christ finished work on the cross. Not by works. Its the free gift of God.

[@danielavila5081]

Seventh day Adventist is a doctrine of man invented in the 1800s

[@Originaldoctrine]

Christianity is not monotheistic. It is henotheistic. Deuteronomy 10:17, Joshua 22:22, Psalms 82:1, Psalms 82:6, Psalms 136:2, Daniel 11:36, Corinthians 8:5-6. Trinitarians invented the unbiblical Trinity(one being with three persons) to claim monotheism but the trinity is false doctrine.

[@Paulthored]

During one Bible study, my Pastor had put up a Venn diagram showing the concept of the *_"Communion of Saints"..._* _(Basically, every member of the Saved/Universal Christian Church..._ _both alive on Earth, and with the Triune One in Heaven.)_ And he had added some various whiteboard marker circles, at various places in & around this primary circle for those still alive on Earth. Most of these circles had *_parts outside_* the Church, *representing* those *faux Christians* who might seem like Christians to others... but *_really reject Jesus Christ's Salvation_* and/or Authority in their Hearts. _(The smaller circles being Denominations, or various individual congregations._ _West Borough Baptist Church, being one with only a few true Christians, for example.)_ The relevant part, is when he starts asking us where we might place various other religions. And we're at the point where even Atheists get listed as having those who secretly have Faith... when he asks us what might fit into the Venn circle that isn't even touching the Church one... One of us Suggested Islam/Muslims. He draws another circle that actually has more inside the Church circle, then the West B. Baptist one. Says that at least Islam teaches One God, and how Jesus Christ repeatedly show's the way for individual muslims who might not know a whole lot... yet still trust Jesus Christ's Salvation. Mormonism, on the other hand... actively teaches to reject Grace, and various Biblical Teachings.

[@seagrunter01]

I am looking for the word trinity in the Bible? Can’t find it anywhere.

[@guillermoelnino]

Y ou're an atheist so "why do y ou even care? It doesnt affect y ou."

[@PatrickMcCarthy-m1k]

It's better to do good than evil, but I can't earn my way to Heaven. Jesus paid it all or not at all.

[@boardtodeath46]

Well , you can just just say, nothing you do matters then if there is no law or consequences. No need to be obedient or repent.

[@dakotastein9499]

Considerting excepting exaltation and thus polytheism is as hard a requirement for mormans as the gospel is for christians . Its self evident that any mormon past a certain age believes that.... I say past a certain age because,much like scientology...mormon doctrin is not outwardly shared with newcomers or non believers.

[@Cumeni-Ha]

There is no other church in the world that has missions throughout the entire world with full-time missionaries sharing our beliefs openly with hundreds of thousands of people on a daily basis. So secretive they share all with anyone who will listen?

[@JadDragon]

​@@Cumeni-Ha why do so many not know what the church teaches then outside the stuff to pretend to be Christian? Why is all the deeper stuff hidden?

[@IsThatRight-v2c]

So let me get this straight. The new Testament on multiple occasions clearly showcases that God The Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are three separate beings, but some dudes in 325 AD said otherwise and so now anyone not agreeing with those guys who are *not* prophets is not Christian? your going to try and gate keep the term based on a man-made council? That council existed because early Christians did not agree on some doctrine like the Trinity. The doctrine of the Trinity was made by man.