Are Men Falling Behind? Male Feminists vs Female Antifeminists | Middle Ground

[@jubilee]

So what did you think of this episode of Middle Ground? Did anyone surprise you?

[@mirrored464]

Yes there was a female on the male part

[@lanaxv]

stop making these

[@tiannatippins3562]

Janelle was very pick me to me I thought she would be more middle ground

[@_aoe]

@@lanaxv why? It gives perspective and educates. Helps you make out your own opinions and values.

[@SavannahSchrader]

Yes, it surprised me how these women were so apathetic and ignorant to the struggles of others.

[@artemisia770]

Lmfao at Janelle asking John whether he wants his daughter to grow up in a world full of individuality and acceptance and John’s just like…..yes?

[@abitlost4087]

Real

[@jewel8439]

She was a s*x traffick victim who grew up without freedom, even now she’s too busy raising her son to research anything properly. I noticed it when she said “yeah I know the definition I googled it just today.” I just feel sorry for her, and y’all should really study how the traffickers brainwash their victims to be exactly like her. We are all products of our environment, and unfortunately we are all raised in different environments, so it’s hard to understand each other

[@CrankyBarista]

Well someone who has surgically and cosmetically changed every natural apperance of her body obviously knows nothing of self acceptance.

[@bigbiafra5288]

@@jewel8439 That doesn't really make her wrong, you just don't agree with her. She was trafficked but still understands that there are only men and women and that we each have our roles means something.

[@notlacin4961]

@@CrankyBarista How can you assume that it was after she was trafficked or wtv for her to do that? Maybe her trafficker encouraged her to do that to make her seem more appealing etc.

[@Blixied]

“I feel so much masculine energy from you guys” “I’m trans” “I’m sorry but I only feel feminine energy” Bruh make it make sense girl

[@the.rocky.safari]

I AM SO MAD FROM THAT INVALIDATING COMMENT FROM HER

[@multidebbie1]

I am in shock rn how chill is that dude? I would have made a weird comment about her out of frustration. He just casually went "I understand that" we love men like that

[@trentoliver5357]

Very chaotic. The comment was out of pocket.

[@jeffreysapp7323]

It's a she

[@dennis7ckrii343]

She's an absolute nutcase. She was on another episode as well where she was even dumber and crazier believe it or not.

[@_studiofrancesca]

“why don’t you get a vasectomy?” “i did” i’m dead that was such an amazing moment

[@milomoody891]

Fr! My jaw dropped and I had to pause the video and playback that moment 😂

[@whatever16jb17]

he’s an icon

[@sarawithnoh9449]

STOP, THAT PART WAS SO UNBELIEVABLY SATISFYING!!!!!! THE LOOK ON HIS FACE TOO MY DUDE WAS ABOUT TO END HER WHOLE CAREER

[@sekcbeast6713]

That guy didn't seem happy to me.

[@TheTomboy345]

And he became hotter when he said it.

[@anwitaaggarwal8366]

"Women cant think logically " No JANELLE YOU CAN'T THINK LOGICALLY

[@wendyo.8897]

😂

[@blakeismyname344]

Janelle is a woman

[@kimsuga3132]

Exactly, omg

[@blakeismyname344]

@@anwitaaggarwal8366 Janelle is a woman

[@themastema1189]

Some of my exs were exactly the same, but yes, women are far more emotional beings than men and by that are more likely to act errneously or make rash abrasive decisions.

[@inesie6926]

Janelle saying “one person speak at a time” after repeatedly cutting everyone off to speak or argue is hilarious.

[@oopsibrokethecow]

What she really means is "Everyone listen to me and me only."

[@braydendukes6633]

Thought the same thing

[@MinifigNewsguy]

it's insulting for an "anti-feminist" to show so much boobs and little intelligence, whether you're a feminist or not.

[@tahirihfudu4086]

she's annoying

[@americanhomeownerwithajob6940]

Why didn't this panel put any real men on it?

[@annak-h8194]

I literally don't understand how Janelle can say she won't take birth control because she doesn't want to put something unnatural in her body but gets giant breast implants in

[@misschloelee]

LMFAOOOO

[@butterytomatoes747]

EXACTLY!!! Like we totally couldn't tell you've had artificial work done

[@hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii5]

her whole face 😭

[@MrFlynny94]

Breast implants sit on the surface of the body? Birth control plays with your insides.

[@jaeshasway]

Not just B implants, tanning, fillers, and who knows what else.

[@lallovesu484]

janelle saying “women have hot bodies, they have men naturally coming to men but men have to build bodies” while having silicones??? the audacity

[@ericx6969]

🤣

[@dusscode]

I didn't see her boasting about her attractiveness.

[@fyre4354]

she wants to talk about trans ppl getting gender affirming care like those implants aren't gender affirming to her as a women

[@jaidenkara6931]

YESSS

[@Laenerysp]

She was sex trafficked so it might not be her choice tho

[@jonellereyes6293]

Men have started wars over their EMOTIONS about a woman.

[@andrewwood763]

lol literally it’s throughout history

[@jessicahanson6105]

Yeah but we are still more emotional and petty

[@matthewdancz9152]

You guys need to stop reading fantasy novels.

[@andrewwood763]

@@matthewdancz9152 Is your pic of gandolf?

[@idkme29]

like obito

[@christinepoppy3277]

I don’t understand why people think a woman’s brain falls out of her head because she feels an emotion

[@alex47_in_downtown18]

Logic and reason falls out when emotion comes in the way

[@YourSensei999]

Fr, like when that lady in red brought up the military thingy it made no sense. First of all, every gender is capable of feeling fear from stuff like that. Second of all, we all have a brain, so we all can learn how u r supposed to act in such situations.

[@eliseph]

yeah, every study ever that has been conducted on womens vs mens brains as shown that women are smarter, more logical, develop their frontal lobes way sooner in puberty and young adulthood than men do. also i dont understand why an emotional nurturing president is bad?? shouldnt you americans vote for a president who cares for the people and makes choices more based on morals, logic and empathy rather than cold brutal competition and war?

[@MayaMickaMicak]

Because a lot of people don't count anger as an emotion, men can seem less emotional, but that's not true at all

[@treacherousjslither6920]

​@@MayaMickaMicak Anger is mos def an emotion. Men and women both can be very emotional. Men are simply socially conditioned to not cry a lot. A little is acceptable. A lot is not. Whereas women are conditioned to cry. Women learn at a young age that their tears have power. Just my observations.

[@averyestephan]

“having kids is very financially difficult” “i’m fine” HOW IGNORANT could you possibly be

[@BozoLifts]

FOR REAL

[@preasia731]

omg so annoying

[@Seizuresalade]

Like they genuinely think if everyone had the same opportunities they would still be homeless and starving etc... So brain dead

[@tre20tyu]

That’s what I’m saying!!!

[@doobieddooo]

That is their whole argument. These anti-feminist women don’t think about other women. They’re like, “I’m fine”, what are these other women complaining about?

[@alessandra281]

Somebody tell Jennelle that saying "no disrespect" does not justify saying something disrespectful. Props to Mason for remaining calm while his identity was continuously invalidated.

[@Pikawarps]

Her*

[@Dwight_]

@@Pikawarps saying your opinion and own belief is not disrespectful. saying no disrespect is a way of saying i disagree but i don want to offend you and ill respect you.

[@clue8569]

@@Pikawarps His*

[@colleenruf7139]

There’s no way she would’ve said “I see you as a woman” if Mason hadn’t explained his backstory first. “I could sense your feminine energy” yeah I don’t believe her.

[@romiaxel9306]

Literally, it was so disgusting how transphobic Jennelle was, truly apalling omfg

[@SaeBae2332]

“having kids is very financially difficult” “i’m fine” this gives the same vibe as "world hunger is OVER b'coz I just ATE!"

[@TheSm1thers]

It's really not as financially difficult as people let on. It's stressful at first but gets easier.

[@elizabethcross8098]

@@TheSm1thers Yeah but under an assumption that someone is struggling to even take care of themselves, a kid on top of that given the emotion AND physical needs would and can very easily be difficult.

[@iridiumm]

Jubilee never fails to find at least one person that’s infuriating in every episode 💀

[@CrankyBarista]

I wonder of who you refer??? 🤔 😂😂😂

[@hintvision]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂omg

[@metr0_retr074]

You gotta be talking about the women in the Red Dress lol

[@app6984]

It makes better tv. They obviously picked them.

[@TheRandomMuffinMan]

Honestly, I just want them to exclude the crazies in these talks since they really devalue the conversation.

[@MySaraMarie]

Anger is an emotion. I repeat: ANGER IS AN EMOTION

[@theonewhosthere]

@@e.m.8094 okay..?

[@yobbbu]

@@e.m.8094 ??

[@aymanardo1322]

Jo mama is a women

[@warriorstrength6797]

Men have to get angry just as much as a woman should.

[@LateNightChess]

Go make me a sandwich

[@jessicawilliams3849]

Janelle’s whole premise is “I don’t agree with feminism bc I don’t think women are smart/capable enough to have these rights”. I think it reflects a lot on how weak she sees herself. She projects her insecurities and failings onto other women

[@ripdito]

this!

[@ArianaMartinez02]

Beautifully said 🙌🏽

[@hi-yo1kq]

Could not have been described better. It’s exactly this

[@rudycastillo4150]

Misogyny 😂

[@samanthaplacide2267]

no truly. like she said things women feel that i couldn’t even relate to and genuinely confused me lol.

[@hununya]

I don't think they understand that there is a difference between being emotional and impulsivity.

[@nithyasreesathyanarayanan5611]

Being emotional pushes someone into being impulsive. They have a cause and effect relationship.

[@hununya]

@@nithyasreesathyanarayanan5611 I think people forget that aggressiveness and frustration are emotions too. And you can't generalize an entire group of the population, some women are less emotional and some men are very emotional. It doesn't depend on the gender, it depends on the person.

[@Folklore.Stan.thirteen1989]

@@hununyaexactly

[@serendipitouscomet]

If you look at hormone levels in men and women, men are a straight line of mostly testostorone and women fluctuate all over the place with way more types. Men's emotional state changes based on environment. Women's emotional state changes based on internal factors.

[@THE326JORDAN]

@@serendipitouscometyes but even women can still not let their emotions control them. it’s okay to be emotional. it’s okay to be hormonal. the key is to not let emotions be your master.

[@_studiofrancesca]

Maybe this is just me, but when i think of feminism, i don’t just think about American feminism. There are still so many countries with discriminatory laws - not to mention Iran where femicide is actively happening! Feminism is necessary on an international scale

[@a.k.salazr]

@Florentino Perez MMM.. not entirely, but it's way better than other countries.

[@sayyestolife333]

@Florentino Perez BECAUSE of feminism. So that is why its sad but hilariously childish to see western women who benefit from feminism so passionate about hating feminism...

[@speedytrader5180]

​@Florentino Perez well I live in the so-called Western world yet in my country women are still largely seen as bad workers because they could get pregnant at any time and go on paid leave, for that employers tend to be way more strict when hiring women,so I believe that there is still quite a long way to go in the West as well.

[@hrishitasinha9334]

OMG SAME!! like who's gonna tell them there's a world outside AMERICA that needs feminism.

[@eriksucioboy686]

​@A.K. Salzr how are we not?

[@karoliinakilpelainen3325]

If Jennelle thinks women are too emotional and illogigal then why would anyone listen to her talking points? She’s obviously just talking from emotion

[@owl3650]

😂

[@coraalllllll]

the self conflict is crazy. When she’s arguing with herself does she listen to her sexist opinions? Or no because they came from a woman so they can’t possibly be logical

[@dianael.]

I cant imagine how much she suffers from self hate in her life

[@leak3699]

I literally thought the same

[@tnago916]

The irony 😭😭😭.

[@ciennabohmer9767]

as soon as she said it was a privilege to be sexualized by men she lost me

[@louievasquez2381]

Nobody can ever sexualize a women unless the women is doing it herself. If u walk around showing ur body, u will attract all kinds of attentions.

[@katherinel4122]

yeah she's an embarrassment to our gender :/

[@orenmontgomery8250]

If you replace the word "sexualized" with "desired," maybe that would help? She's basically saying the one who is in possession of what another person wants is inherently in a strong position.

[@monsieurtyrell9652]

@@orenmontgomery8250 if my grandma had wheels she would've been a bike

[@berryjamminsun]

​@@monsieurtyrell9652 ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️

[@yawnzzn1206]

Omg Janelle gives me second hand emberassment, not her thinking he asked her about her sex drive that's crazy

[@ubiquitous_corn8805]

And what was her response? I didn't really hear it lol She said "very high, I'm a sex..." then I don't know what she said. Did anyone hear?

[@marilou8009]

​@@ubiquitous_corn8805 She said that she was a sex coach.

[@Dzan25263]

can someone timestamp??😭

[@thyneighborsdonkey]

as someone who isnt a feminist she annoys me 😭😭

[@taytae1989]

Gosh. The calm energy of John, the way he expressed himself...it was just so beautiful. He seems like a great father.

[@mattheq9930]

Same with Jenelle😊

[@divyanshsingh1078]

@@mattheq9930 wtf r u serious

[@midwestrebel2]

Nah the males & trans on here are so sensitive , brainwashed

[@midwestrebel2]

​@@mattheq9930I agree she's beast !

[@davidbrooks1700]

Fr,

[@skatexius1710]

The woman in red is unbearable to listen to, but I do (kinda) agree on one thing with her - women LIKE HER should definitely not be in positions of power and leadership. She is so judgemental, close minded and completely disrespectful to anyone others personal experience. Kudos to everyone for managing to uphold a conversation with her :D

[@carinocarino4009]

you are so open minded that you dont tolerate anything other than your opinion

[@skatexius1710]

​@@carinocarino4009 Thank you so much for your opinion, I didnt think I was open minded at all...I appreciate your words :)

[@swatisaini6447]

@@skatexius1710 disagree! Her dress is orange colour not red

[@sjdess]

Yeah maybe she believes that women are too illogical and emotional because she herself is. It's just you, lady!

[@skatexius1710]

@@swatisaini6447 Hehehe 😛I might be colourblind, so I'll take your word for it :D

[@thekikombe]

Props to the moderator for calling out the lady in red for incessantly disrupting others’ train of thought.

[@chlownee]

Literally the second I read this comment, that happened 😭

[@calebjh]

When is was vise versa there was nothing said though… interesting

[@Briecheese785]

@@johnbaddoghellno7751 “They seem to have problems thinking not the sharpest tools but the ladies were. Betas soyboys and 1 balding women” and you seem to have some issues with your grammar and punctuation’s, because wtaf is this sentence…💀

[@videovoidtv]

Why did they even book her for this. They created the problem that you are praising them for calling out.

[@Jay-jb2vr]

304 behavior

[@aster_11]

These women are so privileged to talk about a topic in the way they are.

[@tonyonaperky2128]

Most women in the west are privileged

[@missshooks]

I wish they had like a mediator that would check information when people on these shows claim that data supports things.

[@marvinmiller2983]

Yeah, Jubilee needs to start fact checking EVERYTHING people say on Middle Ground and putting it on screen. They already do a little bit at least

[@berrymckockiner5883]

But most fact checkers can't be trusted, even chat gpt is full of bleeeppop

[@alexgrissom7251]

To be fair, if that would happen then the screen would be packed with fact checks throughout the whole show. The best thing to do is to do your own research while you are watching the show. I ddid that and find out that some of the things that the women were saying was correct.

[@arianaariel4197]

Which ones? Can you provide recourses? Or atleast tell me what the topic is about and I’ll find it myself

[@sannisideup]

​@@alexgrissom7251 if they are able to display debates, they should be able to fact check the things said in the debates, it can be briefly addressed. Otherwise, it contributes to misinformation being spread which really doesnt help any of us

[@aligoeswest]

Felt like Jenelle held the group back from more meaningful conversations

[@sloanes_edits]

Exactly, she didn’t giving her side much attention and efforts towards the conversation because she was selfish and talked over people

[@gayfield420]

she also seemed like she was held back several grades in school

[@anastasia-fr1gn]

Yeah she didn’t let the others speak.

[@cocolezlie]

Yes!! Everyone was so articulate except for Janelle and Kaylee- their arguments were mostly based on delusion. When the other women and the feminists talked it was so much more impactful

[@udhav423]

@@cocolezlie exactly LOL

[@Mr26muel]

Janelle: I love the masculine energy we have here Mason: I'm trans Janelle: You have feminine energy 🙃

[@adr1annn129]

THIS

[@FangeekJenna]

Thisss if he had not said he was trans she wouldn't have a damn clue!

[@peterjimenez1075]

This is toxic feminism

[@ocrafting05]

@@peterjimenez1075 wdym

[@alexh6767]

This is why you don't tell people 😬

[@davidholm4999]

"I see you as a woman. I feel feminine energy". No, you're only seeing it that way cuz you know he's trans. If he hadn't told you, you wouldn't know at all cuz he passes so well.

[@danieljohn4014]

idk it is feminine energy

[@davidholm4999]

@@danieljohn4014 what is feminine energy

[@theonebreadlord]

​@@danieljohn4014 Janelle thought he was a guy biologically. And I'm sure 100% you wouldn't have noticed at all if he hadn't said so.

[@danieljohn4014]

@@theonebreadlord that’s true. Doesn’t stop the fact that they give off female energy

[@LikeIGiveADuck]

​@danieljohn4014 what is female energy?

[@nezalubej1826]

Jenelle: "I don't believe in taking anything that alters my body." Also Jenelle just sitting there:

[@ΤομηλοτουΑδαμ]

🍈🍈🤫

[@Sarah-gt2tj]

yeah... i was boutta say

[@hopefulromantic.]

jennelle the entire time: 🔸️ 👁 👄 👁 🍊 🍊

[@sourlemons4]

I didn't think she even knows when she contradicts herself its like words just fly out of her mouth without her thinking

[@Random-sk6hm]

FR 😭

[@purplelightwolf741]

Jennelle was an embarrassment. Everyone else was so level, thoughtful and respectful. She just wanted to fight with everyone about things she didn't agree with, and shift the conversation away from the topic to things she wanted to fight about.

[@i7ven]

She's fighting for mens rights, but by doing that she's bringing the other half of men down

[@bishbosh4815]

They always have someone like that

[@damage_inc86425]

​@@i7ven Very well said, Seth!

[@miss-nomer]

I honestly thought Jenelle was a trans woman.

[@Stillchannel22]

I think all the anti feminist were insanely rude, abrupt and dimensioning to everyone else’s opinion. They didn’t respect anyone’s option and came to argue, not debate.

[@jennyrodriguez2310]

I think some of these anti feminist women are confusing female privilege with "pretty privilege", which is a valid thing. A woman that isn't conventionally pretty will not just get any guy she wants lol she will not get treated the same as a "hot woman"

[@rachelsmyth9854]

facts

[@illogical001]

Exactly! And just completely ignoring that the same thing exists for men too. 💀

[@daanyal2550]

yes but she will still have 10x more options that your 7/10 guy

[@lucthin6245]

pretty privilege exist for men and women as well... I think that's why one them said different instead of "more" like the prompt suggested.

[@Moesie]

@@daanyal2550 she doesnt, she got quanyity over quallity The guys she can get are either 1 night stand not marriage material Or weird, a women had the be more selective cuz she can get pregnant And having options doesnt mean much since a women is being $lut shamed if she sleeps woth many guys And women are called out for hitti g the wal

[@lovest3ven]

I don't agree that women are more emotional than men. We just choose to express a wider range of emotions. When men get upset they usually default to anger because they feel like they aren't allowed to express anything else but anger is still an emotion.

[@wilsonwijaya.design]

Biologically and primitively, men are built to hunt for food and provide shelter while woman are back home to do chores and raise children. During those hard times, if you as the hunter of the family, if you cry and wail like a baby, it makes you look weak and useless because people back home are depending on you for resources. So that's one part of the social patriarchy. To be honest, now with many people can just work for 1 hour and buy food, social construct is being challenged and we are now seeing both genders becoming more equal socially, culturally, financially speaking.

[@JakobKensy]

You can think what you want but unless you dont want to be a conspiracy theorist i would suggest you to look up the studies.

[@SirDolce398]

@@JakobKensy 'Most researchers agree that women are more emotionally expressive, but not that they experience more emotions than men do.' - An actual study

[@WillowFrancais]

Kaylee came across as so comfortable in her own privilege, that it just didn’t compute to her that some people do struggle and that for some people it’s valid.

[@mariaygonzalez83]

How come you didn’t think the same for Jenelle ? Also wouldn’t you say, that there’s exceptions for everything? Not everything/everyone is the rule. Meaning that just because some people do struggle, doesn’t mean others can choose to have kids and not struggle. What she said if there’s 2 ppl in the relationship, there’s more chance of less struggle with being a parent. Just because some say they don’t want kids because they don’t wanna struggle, doesn’t mean there’s not ppl out there who want kids and will provide regardless of circumstances. It’s not being privileged if she had a plan in place, has someone who supports her and they both wanted this. What she saying is you could have this too if you really want it. The same way others are saying “just because u won’t struggle it doesn’t mean others won’t.” Same could be said vice versa and it’s all about how you view things and think.

[@Lauwit]

"Some"

[@notovidio]

@@mariaygonzalez83 These people are literally programmed and wired differently. No point in having a genuine conversation or debate with them. You’ll end up pulling your hair out trying to make sense of it

[@crystaleuwing8411]

@@mariaygonzalez83 okay but the problem is some people don't want to struggle.. I think that was the whole point

[@jewel8439]

@@mariaygonzalez83 ​What privilege? She’s a s*x traffic victim who is busy raising a son who she didn’t ask for. Holding them to the same standard is wild. I think everyone in the comments is overlooking how the feminists are the most privileged here, no not because they are men but because they have been educated properly and weren’t brainwashed by bad people

[@karennn3]

Jenelle is very delulu. Also people are forgetting that having certain privileges as a woman vary. If you don’t fall into society’s standard of beauty then your “privileges” are revoked.

[@morgane.n]

Delulu😂

[@cameerkat]

What is delulu?

[@morgane.n]

@@cameerkat delusional

[@totalrko]

ironic that a Karen said this

[@ceeIoc]

Nah, ugly women can still get a guy locked up by lying.

[@meghanluhowy3152]

It's so sad how Kaylee is so close-minded and judgmental. She's the epitome of "if it doesn't happen to me, then it's not a problem for anyone else either."

[@Chris-ko7ov]

@amanamhie I agree, but I think an interesting fact is that most countries that are poor, and where is not easy to raise a kid (even if it is related to ignorance or bad education) those places have high natality rates.. To be clear, I'm not saying YOU SHOULD, if you can't afford it, I'm saying they do it anyways. I think it's easy for her to state things like that because she probably never had to face a similar problem for herself, but I also think believing everything should be in perfect alignment before having a baby is unprobable. Not defending her posture anyway, and I would always encourage people to NOT have kids if you can't feed them.

[@tashboog5458]

The fact of the matter is that (outside of non-consent) pregnancy is a choice for both sexes just period. End of story.

[@cocoalovelife8849]

exactly, its sad... now shes raising a BLACK male in america smh

[@memsysr]

​@@tashboog5458 no it's only a woman's choice nowadays

[@darkymana3735]

Very well said @meghan Luhowy Close-minded people measure the world By there only experience... Even if they are the 1% of a cases

[@-mipmap-2091]

Amala seems like the most normal person here. Janelle is a a different story.

[@JNB0723]

She is a grifter too dawg. Maybe not Janelle level of unsufferable, but she has to appeal to her fanbase, which I understand to be very very conservative and anti-woman.

[@jacksonlittle282]

@@JNB0723😂😂😂

[@THE326JORDAN]

@@JNB0723but it’s not about her fan base, it’s about *her*. if you’ve seen her videos, she’s very fair and respectful to people. how her fan base acts shouldn’t fully reflect her and her beliefs because those are different people

[@dbamp]

kaylee and jennelle are the definition of egocentric bias-- "if it doesn't happen to me, it doesn't happen to any women." hearing kaylee, who is clearly well off, respond to the idea that some people can't afford to raise a child with a "well, but i'm fine" made my blood boil

[@kaitlynbradley8787]

i just came into the comments to see if anyone said anything about this. the mocking comment she made about poor people not wanting to have kids was SO beyond disrespectful - i can’t believe jubilee even kept it in the video.

[@madisongreen9816]

Kaylee sounds like a spoilt, sheltered, and privileged child. It’s like she can’t comprehend that other people in the world have it harder than she does

[@id4551]

THIS

[@thekayleelayton]

@@kaitlynbradley8787 the feminist movement literally encourages that. you guys are idiots if you can’t see how degraded women are and how torn down they are from being able to raise a child.

[@shorterstax]

​@@kaitlynbradley8787 they kept it in the video to show that sometimes people really are that crazy with their beliefs

[@Firedragon0202]

I love when the black shirt lady basically said “I don’t experience this problem so it doesn’t exist”

[@mmm-ie5ws]

but when feminist women say the same thing your not for it. correct?

[@ghhoulx]

@@mmm-ie5ws what issues has feminism stated this about?

[@iiastridii]

@@mmm-ie5wsquickly

[@Twice_jeans_xg]

​@@mmm-ie5ws r u gonna reply?

[@tonyonaperky2128]

​@@ghhoulxFalse accusations. You don't face it so you say "PERSONAL ANECDOTES DONT COUNT REEE" but you'll scream your personal anecdote of being fuked in the 4ss

[@Kaiteevasey]

I find it interesting that Daniel, the buff guy, actually portrays more femininity than anyone else on that stage. Janelle, as much as she believes she is super feminine, displays a lot of masculine energy.

[@Ghostinaseashell1789]

She has inner misogyny

[@WPC799]

@@Ghostinaseashell1789 i think she’s just a bit daft

[@MFJ86]

So true.

[@thomaspeterson6097]

I thought the same thing.... We had like an almost submissive feminine buff guy vs a very agressive woman

[@kristenj2009]

I disagree with you about Janelle. It is possible for women to be feminine in their lifestyle, choices, actions, etc. and masculine in their personality and thinking ie. alpha-type personality. There are lots of women who display traditionally masculine traits of being loud, aggressive, decisive, etc. (not in a negative way), but are super girly in their clothing and lifestyle choices.

[@deekay19]

42:13 "i'm fine" is such a privileged standpoint

[@JJ-ok1vf]

35:07 is the best interaction Torrie: "are you saying that to please the feminists?" Alex: "please myself?" Torrie: "male feminists tend to have the talking points but do you actually think you would [get male birth control]?" Alex: "why wouldn't i?" Torrie: "why don't you get a vasectomy" Alex: "i did"

[@Torshaa]

HE SHOWED ME LOL

[@excelself]

He took himself out of the gene pool! We need more Make Feminist follow his example!

[@susu_peaceo4887]

I WAS SO HAPPY BRUH... OWNED THEM

[@Thatgirly777]

YESSS

[@sabrinahope7794]

@@excelself You should follow his lead!

[@peasantsgalore]

janelle saying she wouldn’t put birth control in her body while having two very obvious implants is sending me

[@liastorm795]

😂😂😂😂

[@Alison2436]

😂😂😂 so true!

[@happy153ful]

I was thinking that too but then she said she was sex trafficking so it might not have been her choice entirely. I am giving the benefit of the doubt.

[@sharkisradiant6686]

LMAOO

[@Tlahuiltezcatl]

😂🔥🤣🔥🔥🔥 she's a bimbo

[@miriamclarke5612]

Janelle born female felt she wasn't feminine enough so decided to have surgery, but cannot understand why someone else would do a similar thing by modifying their bodies to represent themselves. She also wants men to be dominent and powerful but tells her son to not be himself if it scares her. What part should he listen too, being dominent and telling his mom he will live the way that makes him happy, or be submissive and fearful and listen to his mom?

[@krissybee2484]

Dude my ex’s mom is like that. My ex is fighting some internal battles as a result.

[@susiehernandez6173]

This is so sad when i read it, I really hope he’s okay because this will eventually lead to resentment.

[@woman2769]

I love john

[@eugenechauke3849]

Exactly!!!

[@madisonj5136]

The irony 😂, that’s not very nurturing of you Janelle

[@freshpinkapples7618]

I love how supportive and chill John was with Janelle. He was just trying to make her think of things another way. I really respect that!

[@Qualex14]

The energy I get from Jennelle is of a person who thinks that comment sections on social media are an accurate reflection of society.

[@crustycrabpizza4581]

Yes!!!

[@WildXstElementZ]

You’ve worded so well. You genius

[@sayyestolife333]

Thank youuu thats so many of these people. The youtube algorithm that is fueled by extremes to make you click and comment is how they judge feminism as a whole

[@zzzaaayyynnn]

haha, perfect, so true

[@raqimk]

I wanna be friends with you fr😂 genius

[@dropkickbunny]

Janelle saying "poor is a mentality" says everything you need to know about her opinions.

[@masculineleadership]

It literally is

[@miacarter8740]

@@masculineleadership well your username is masculine leadership so I know everything I need to know about you now😂

[@BurntToast44242]

I don't like her, but she does have a point. Being broke is having no money and being in a state of financial crisis. Being "poor" is a mentality you see in a lot of people. College students are broke b/c of debt. The NEET who stay's in their mom's basement playing LoL is poor.

[@hmmmmmm6901]

@@BurntToast44242 especially if you’re in a first world country

[@shane-bl4jk]

​@@miacarter8740 ....your name says alot about you, bub.

[@nezuko7275]

Jenelle HAS to be the most hard-to-watch person I’ve ever seen in a Jubilee video, period. And I’m not even half way into the video. She doesn’t let anyone get their point across or talk without interjecting or eye-rolling.

[@keonsene]

a close second to erin

[@annamess]

And top of everything she tried hitting on Daniel at one point

[@RachelKay528]

I feel like 80% of the video was her talking 🙄😒

[@zakirchoudhury9206]

You clearly haven’t seen enough Jubilee videos.

[@cristiandiaz6776]

She was definitely extremely annoying disrespectful and hardheaded, but I think the hardest person to watch in the history of this channel was that trans woman Blossom lol.

[@davidolatunji119]

45:05 The irony of Janelle, who claimed to be trafficked, using Andrew Tate, a trafficker, as an example of masculinity and safety is not lost on me. 47:44 The irony of using police officers as an example of protection when police officers are one of the demographics that is most abusive and violent to their partners and families (and other people generally speaking) is also not lost on me.

[@AlanaGuez]

"I don't believe in taking anything that alters my body" having multiple obvious surgeries is WILD

[@-PiNKSYRUP]

​@@cheeling794😭😭🤣 SAME

[@biggooba6706]

whats your IQ LMAO

[@gabevive71]

Well, she said she was trafficed for years, so idk if it was her choice, but if it was, yeah, kinda hippopotamus lol (hypocritical)

[@_dnlcee]

That's not how I understood it. Things that can change your hormones are more permanent and can be dangerous it's not so easily removed unlike silicone.

[@dewdew80]

@@gabevive71 didn't watch the video after concluding I'd be too annoyed...why did they get the opinion of someone so highly traumatized? Seems like a bad idea.

[@teehee4096]

I honestly think Amala was the most level-headed of the female anti-feminists in this video. She asked the other side questions that were not accusatory; I disagree with her a whole lot, but if more people could amicably disagree like her, the world would be in a much better place.

[@lola-sophiedanton5801]

I feel exactly the same. I don't agree with Amala on a lot of things but I respect her so much for being so calm and respectful.

[@hatban_]

대신 싸워줄 전사가 있다면 전사가 될 필요가 없습니다 amala는 다른 무대에서 전사가 될수 있습니다 그때에도 이렇게 말할수 있습니까?

[@ShayCat]

She was definitely the most respectful and there to listen and not just listen to respond.

[@darrenmims]

Being respectful does not mean they are a nice person.

[@Rainbow_Warrior_Princess]

She's a trumpist, an anti-feminist (and so of course also against abortion) and a transphobe, so still a very bad disgusting person.

[@luvbombz]

I couldn’t imagine janelle having actual conversations with people in real life. She just likes to hear herself talk

[@gracieexx]

she talks soo much omg

[@jasondutton2531]

That’s a feminine trait though. Women talk far more than men do

[@sohailayawari9547]

Absolutely frustrating

[@Abii140]

​​​@@jasondutton2531 While men talk over women at work and don't even pay attention to their attribution to solve a problem that may occur. Little incel you don't know sh1t.

[@gracieexx]

@@jasondutton2531 i have never seen anyone talk as much as her though and none of it made any sense 🫣

[@someonesomehow379]

"no disrespect" PROCEEDS TO DISRESPECT HIM

[@kellyjokanovich3939]

“I don’t put pressure on my son to be straight. I just tell him he has to be attracted to women.” Make it make sense Jenelle 🙃

[@ThePestilentDefiler]

Like biology intended. Dont normalize homosexuality.

[@rayanneferreira8949]

Telling your son to be attracted to a woman is the same as putting pressure on him to be straight

[@christopherestrada2474]

I thought the LGBTQ were welcoming of all orientations? What if she’s fine with her son to be attracted to trans-women ? That’s not straight, that’s pansexual.

[@maaalooo_1062]

*should… makes a difference

[@quandale3311]

Well it does, sexuality refers to sex, not gender, which are different according to liberal ideology.

[@psicologiajoseh]

It's hurtful to hear women saying confidently “Yeah, I (we) am not logical, I'm not analytical, I'm too emotional, I should not be a leader” and so on. I'd hate to see someone saying that to the powerful women in my life who had influenced me so much.

[@adamjuneau6287]

why? knowing thyself is a beautiful thing.

[@opps8511]

yeah they are just projecting their own insecurities to the entire womanhood to make them feel better about themselves.

[@tamialeslie7187]

Cringe and lack of self worth

[@Ezio_TheCreed]

​@@adamjuneau6287 im not smart and muscular so men shouldnt participate in sports

[@MfckingDye]

There is a psychological difference in the way men and women process situations, this is FACT. I was also raised by strong women, and I can objectively understand that the women in my life are different from men. You are reacting emotionally to the science. You seem to have adopted that from all the women who raised you.

[@moringaflower1998]

John and Amala were the best in this panel. Calm, respectful and insightful.

[@alliesobchuk1207]

Fr

[@eddystylez]

They need to have at most 3 on each side so Amala can talk more lol

[@alliesobchuk1207]

@@eddystylez Fr she is so smart and respectful

[@m0rrk]

Amala is very smart. I didn’t like John’s smirking all the time

[@hanscapon222]

Common Amala W

[@donsaturno7246]

I feel so sorry for whoever has Jenelle as a mom

[@hiraethica]

Omg same. Her kid will peace out at 18 and never talk to her again. She's a monster and she's harming both men and women.

[@friederikegrunberg7536]

Janelle: "I don't believe in taking anything that alters my body" Also Janelle: has had plastic surgery done

[@arixmc5520]

Came looking for this exact comment

[@jonmelon]

She meant her hormones not her physical body

[@HudaaJMalek]

I mean you could argue that it was a product of her circumstances since she said that she was in sex work before

[@voqz6667]

@@jonmelon excuse me? Are hormones used on your astral projection?

[@Amateur_Pianist_472]

@@HudaaJMalekwow an anti feminist sex worker… she’s also very opinionated.

[@UnravelingArchitecture]

I actually really appreciate when Jubilee editors keep the moments when the producers/directors try to keep the conversation on track. It's really easy to just edit these moments out in post-production. But I think seeing reactions of the participants is really telling. Also it's interesting to see when producers/directors in Jubilee feel the need to interrupt.

[@Pikawarps]

They edit out hours of content, i would prefer if they edit out producers, it’s not about them.

[@MadRodriguez]

its the best

[@oConshien]

Yes moderator is a part of a debate

[@joshuasatterwhite9520]

@@Pikawarps we needa jubilee uncut

[@dusscode]

The discussion you are seeing is watered down. They edit out huge chunks, especially controversial parts.

[@chiaramassa2754]

Jenelle is the reason why the saying "When the idiots become confident, the world is in danger" exists.

[@georgiana1147]

couldn't have said it better

[@inesarif8497]

She really bought nothing beneficial to this conversation, the prompter had to tell her twice to let others talk. 😂

[@yeseniamendoza5844]

Yup.

[@Random-sk6hm]

FR

[@atlantis6855]

They picked some of the worst women to represent the women haha

[@starbucks9485]

Girl in the red dress should speak for herself "Women are too emotional" girl YOU'RE to emotional

[@JackiieGo]

Exactly, don't speak on behalf of the rest of the women lmaoo

[@kelsisimpson7797]

As a feminist, Amala and Torrie are two people I could see myself having deep meaningful conversations with. Yeah I don’t agree with everything they say and somethings I completely disagree with, but there are certain points that they made that I can either agree with or see their side.

[@lindsayoneill2892]

Completely agree, they actually took the time to listen and discuss the other two were just transphobic and disrespectful

[@gabriellalopez6537]

Agreed! They really sought to find middle ground. If more people are able to engage in discourse this way, I have hope for this country.

[@YeahNoWay123]

@@lindsayoneill2892well this *was* a discussion with and about topics to do with women.

[@jonnyhill1155]

​@@lindsayoneill2892but some of the men in this vid chose to repeat sexist talkingpoints against men

[@nicoleguerrero3505]

Yes, both of them.

[@tenscar6131]

I just wanna say that Amala was definitely an amazing person to represent her beliefs here bc it's obvious how calm and balanced she is. I don't agree with some of her opinions but I definitely respect her and admire her way to say things. I hope all human being would be like this. Also John who was so respectful and wanted to explain his beliefs in such a nice way.

[@arunima3745]

no, just because she was calmer than the other women here doesn't make her any better

[@k.999]

@@arunima3745 Why? You probably did not even hear her opinions.

[@godofthecripples1237]

​@@arunima3745I could not disagree with that anymore. Yes, I do not agree with her views, but the ability to calmly communicate views for a conversation makes her exponentially better than someone like Janelle.

[@vallerie1350]

@Nomoskar Ramin not bad or worse person but bad or worse listener. Amala took in the opposing viewpoint before responding. Janelle heard one thing she disagreed with and completed discarded the other side. It’s all about understanding and respecting even when you disagree.

[@arunima3745]

@@k.999 I wouldn't care if someone has different views than I have, its just that many people knows Amala sometimes said some really questionable things. She was in certain podcasts and news.

[@mackenziemoore3120]

I disagree with Amala on most things but she is very well researched, respectful, and I genuinely think she comes into these things with an open mind and I just really appreciate that.

[@dongsicheng170]

Same

[@WolfvineGaming]

Exactly, most people don't act like this sadly.

[@Rationality4Life]

She places to much emphasis on biological differences when in reality they aren't all that pronounced when it comes to ability and intellect. She is also dead wrong about same sex parenting. Sometimes she let's her bias overwrite actual reserach

[@infernityable1369]

​@@Rationality4Life Imagine thinking biology doesn't create sociology 😂

[@Rationality4Life]

@@infernityable1369 That's not at all what I said. Biology and socialization both interact. But biological differences aren't so significant that it justifies depriving women of many opportunities, jobs and positions. Using an average (such as women being more nurturing) to suggest locking all women into nurturing roles is illogical because an average doesn't represent all people in a group. There will be a ton of men who are more nurturing than women and a ton of women who are self-focused, independent and career orientated. There have been many female president/prime ministers in the world that have done better than men for example.

[@CyndeLooWho]

Damn, this is the second video where you’ve invited the woman in red and she’s proceeded to make it ALL about her.

[@alioh7615]

What other video was she in?

[@A_C_E1537]

@@alioh7615”Do men and women think the same? Spectrum”

[@katelynnw4023]

“I don’t pressure. I just tell him”. Jenelle has me FUCKED UP with that statement. Telling your son what he should be is GOING to put pressure on him to conform to that. Coming from a family that told me I was supposed to be straight, I ended up with a lot of internal conflict and self loathing because what they told me I should be and who I actually was were two different things. I pray her child never has to go through that.

[@Wolfie-Echo]

Exactly I dunno how people think it’s ok to say that kinda stuff I feel so bad for her son especially if he ends up being queer :(

[@mengeltjie]

So glad I found this (I was looking for someone who would comment on this!). I agree wholeheartedly. Also sorry that you went through all that :(

[@Wolfie-Echo]

@@alexandermontufar497 it is ok and accepted by most people there is nothing wrong with being Queer

[@Juniper122]

I hope her son becomes governor of California. That’ll fix her wig

[@ssti16]

Amen

[@LaraSmit-xr9vh]

“I dont want to do anything that alters my body”-Jenelle GIRL HAVE YOU SEEN YOUSELF💀💀

[@selinaschmolz7166]

Lol that's what i thought as she said it 😂

[@GroupKillingFrenzy]

Yall some retards

[@chrishammon14]

She could mean her health. Don’t be ignant.

[@LaraSmit-xr9vh]

@@chrishammon14 breast implants can be dangerous too tf?😂

[@chrishammon14]

@@LaraSmit-xr9vh i see you refuse to not be ignorant to what hormones can do to someone. carry on narcissist.

[@JessicaBoorsma]

Its hard not to straight out insult someone's intelligence or lack there of, but Jenelle in the first two minutes and thirty seconds of this video acting like the safety issues that women face is simply a minor inconvenience is just mind numbing.

[@infernityable1369]

"The safety issues women face"?! There's no way you're being serious. 😂

[@tpwa205]

Bruh you can get a gun. Btw most victims of violent crimes are men just so you know

[@koppy82]

It is minor. You can avoid clearly unsafe and dangerous situations.

[@bazedbeh]

@@koppy82 ah yea so woman should avoid beeing in unsafe and dangerous situation by not leaving the house? all of my female friends have way too many stories of them beeing at risk / in dangerous situations just by beeing out in public. that is no minor inconvinience

[@ccrans1216]

@@koppy82 violence against women is a very real past, present and future. As long as there are men and women on earth, there will be violence against women. You can pretend it doesn’t exist all you want. That is not reality.

[@patriwi2122]

In language and literature classes, who are the most recognised names in poetry, theatre, novels, etc.? Most of them are men's names. What did most of these names talk about in their works? Love, break-ups, jealousy... No emotions at all. Only logic and maths here.

[@midnight10495]

janelle with the second question: i love all the the men and masculine energy in front of me. mason: i’m trans. janelle: i can tell and your a woman 😂😂

[@ChristineChang20]

LMAOOOOOOO

[@yeahiknow850]

Not going to lie, he is very feminine.

[@retrothepharoah]

@@yeahiknow850 she*

[@azayzelderegis1655]

@@retrothepharoah He*

[@isabellamendes9157]

@@yeahiknow850 feminine =\= woman. Shawn mendes is feminine too, so is harry styles. & yet women drool over them.

[@nathalyag4255]

Janelle has to be a social experiment I can not believe someone actually thinks like her

[@Grimm_Butterfly]

​@Electroencefalografista the comment section isn't any better. They poorly represent the feminists in the video.

[@duckymomo7935]

You think she’s not smart because she’s a woman

[@phatmanjake4336]

@@duckymomo7935 no dummy listen to her takes

[@asmrlacedwithpearls4310]

All I heard were repeated takes from the red pill movement. Fresh & Fit precisely. Not a single thought or idea of her own. It’s embarrassing

[@tnago916]

@@duckymomo7935 She herself said women are emotional. Why are people listening to this emotional woman?

[@moonas4443]

I cannot applaud John enough for the beautiful person he is. So respectful, loving, and patient. I also think it was highly inappropriate to keep bringing his daughter into the conversations.

[@cocolezlie]

Kaylee saying you want your daughter going into sex work??👹👹👹 actually stop

[@miacarter8740]

Thank you for mentioning this

[@checkermaker480]

Most women there were more masculine than that Shemale. Yuck

[@Deimonos85]

in a way, he is behaving like a dude should behave.. calm and collected. kaylee did well but her posting a story about the dude that had a vasectomy and shaming him by saying why since he doesnt get laid was unnecessary

[@Patrick-te3cr]

Did John write this comment?? LMAO

[@phoenixbell4148]

jennelle really said "i don't want to put anything in my body that would change it" while looking like she's had SO much plastic surgery

[@jessicakoenig8126]

im not generally a huge fan of amala & tend to disagree with a lot of her beliefs however i will say i really do appreciate her ability to hear other people's opinions & then give logical reasonings for why she doesn't agree.

[@afiwolf2008]

Exactly I'm personally not a fan of her but I feel like she's the kind of person who I'll enjoy talking to even if we share opposing views, she actively tries to understand the other party and looks for a middle ground and tries to solve the issue

[@mookchie]

definitely, as much as i disagree with her she’s very respectful and well-spoken, she at least tries to explain her points logically whereas some of the others just used personal anecdotes

[@alexisrapoza5103]

Was thinking the exact same thing.

[@gnomelandco]

You know the line up was bad on the anti-feminist side when she was the voice of reason.

[@ΤομηλοτουΑδαμ]

​​@@gnomelandco but she always is the voice of reason.

[@scarlettmclachlin936]

I need John and Amala to sit down and do this alone. I feel like I would come out with PhD level insight. Seriously.

[@tanushritashas9856]

a proper intellectual debate

[@elsai1926]

Yeaaass omfg

[@Bee-cm5md]

this.

[@genevievehernandez1595]

need this

[@marcalinewampire2102]

yessss

[@mandyleslie7807]

Janelle, being someone who believes she needs to be "feminine" is seated very deeply in her masculine energy, just seen by the way she pushes, and goes forward in conversation, she is invasive and non-receptive.

[@katesolis756]

Yeah, she mansplained all of her points

[@Valeriyadivine]

THISSSSS.

[@tpwa205]

Thats called presenting your opinion and thoughts bruh..

[@arfielding4495]

@@tpwa205 And that's clearly very masculine according to her, because women shouldn't be as outspoken as men, and women are too emotional to be rational leaders.

[@sondracada2840]

do you disagree with her points? Because if so, it sounds like you're wanting her to fit more into her woman role...

[@TheBennygutierrez]

When kids are not allowed to cry they become agressive, regardless of their assigned gender at birth. Anger develops from sadness.

[@olivia-nx8xf]

i need jannelles confidence. homegirl will fully spew blatant misinformation with her entire chest, its remarkable

[@olivia-nx8xf]

@melodie jobin mcinnis the chemicals from the silicone impacts seeps into your blood and then melts your brain no it’s true it’s true

[@JakeThatMan]

What misinformation?

[@doeeyes2]

I dont think that chest is actually hers

[@proathiest]

Its called "audacity"

[@m0rrk]

What misinformation

[@sammycatto7252]

No matter your sides on any of these conversations, I think we can all agree it's so infuriating to hear anyone being interrupted so much.

[@Oyabu...]

No I didn't feel like that tbh? Who was interrupting 🤔

[@ilyoongitoo3926]

frlll like they KEPT interrupting like.... nd then half the time what they thought they needed ta say so bad wuznt even true or wuz unnecessary

[@Canadakonnect]

Respect all women 🙏

[@gameramelia4425]

People listen to reply, not listen to understand. :(

[@ladyreptilia]

@@Oyabu... the lady in red? She was so oppositional and rude

[@zac8084]

Mason is amazing. No idea how someone can take so much disrespect and still be so civil with the other side.

[@teehee4096]

He showed real strength, I guess he's dealt with disrespect a lot and learned not to respond in kind.

[@koppy82]

It's called reality.

[@timothykarlsson3126]

What was disrespectful?

[@cael_aj]

I know, Janelle was like "No disrespect to you but I see a woman" to Mason and I was like "Girl, how is that not disrespectful?"

[@west2663]

What disrespect ? How was she getting disrespected?

[@alexspicemen4076]

the dad is super wise and calm at his core for no reason, truly inspirational.

[@carolinadelgado2897]

Jenelle was very hard to watch, the amount of hatred, lack of disrespect, disregard to see reality as it is, and complete demonstration of absolute ignorance was mind boggling to me. I cant believe there are people like that. Its very sad.

[@notyourred]

Janelle : women are inherently loving and nurturing and caring Also Janelle : proceeds to be the most hateful and condescending and unreasonable

[@tessanewson6556]

I despise that stereotype it's so traditional. Like we are in the 21st century now!!

[@Itsmesaucekayuchibi]

Other than the leader part, I don’t think she said anything offensive. Her points were valid.

[@Itsmesaucekayuchibi]

@@tessanewson6556stereotypes are based on facts and we need traditional roles to keep the society functioning and thriving

[@Doomer_Optimist]

​@@Itsmesaucekayuchibi no one attacked her points in this thread, although I certainly could. it's more like her demeanor was incredibly smug and distasteful.

[@kurt5079]

@@tessanewson6556 It is not a stereotype it is a generality. As with any generality there are exceptions but it is also true and backed up by the social science and psychoanalytical data/research spanning for decades.

[@marehalls5132]

Jenelle: I love all the masculine energy it’s nice to see real men. “Im trans” Jenelle: 🤔I’m getting feminine energy I see a women

[@DgardsGaming]

i was for sure getting Feminine energy.

[@aymanardo1322]

Its true tho mason was giving feminine energy

[@marinrinn]

@@aymanardo1322 but she said "oh masculine energy!" before she knew he was trans.

[@Triforcebro]

Glad she said that because that trans had full female energy.

[@SimplyTiffany2009]

thats a girl.. girls can be boys and boys cant be girls

[@pipi-caca]

Wtf was Janelle yapping about

[@Cantrona]

My favourite moment was when Alex was like "Why wouldn't I [take male birth control]?" and she was like " Why don't you get a vicectomy?" and he replied "I did." Mic. Drop.

[@adamjuneau6287]

the Beta boys are coming.

[@matts1166]

There was a news article about 2 years ago about the clinical trials of male birth control. More than a few self-described feminists were denouncing it. They were pissed because there were too few side effects. No, seriously. They were mad because it had less side effects than women's version, and thus "unfair".

[@paollus8575]

But who dropped the mix tho ?

[@al-imranadore1182]

Condoms work fine, vasectomy works perfectly, male birth control is just unnecessary.

[@mckchillin]

@@paollus8575Alex

[@zamzamabdul6089]

Amala and the blonde girl are the only ones on the women’s side who had an open mind and weren’t attacking ppl/speaking over others.

[@renflower1910]

Yeah I couldn't stand the other two especially the one in red. She was constantly rude and speaking over people. Like let people finish what they have to say! I can't stand people who have the need to interrupt people.

[@pumitriii6160]

What didn't you like about Kaylee

[@simply5859]

thats why we love amala

[@samantha489]

@@pumitriii6160 transphobic asf

[@pumitriii6160]

@@samantha489 hahahaha

[@hunterkaimi]

big shoutout to Mason. he was disrespected by Jennelle start to finish. she was infuriating to watch and i can’t imagine trying to have a conversation with her

[@pointofpersonalprivilege6057]

The truth shouldn't be infuriating. It should be logically processed

[@torip.9734]

Ikr….she was so horrible and disrespectful to people and she clearly only wanted to oppress and hate….she didn’t want to let people finish their point

[@whatthefreakkkk]

seriously. My heart hurt for him when she said to his face she still saw a woman. Fucked up and I am almost positive she wouldn’t have said that if he didn’t say he was trans and would’ve just perceived him as male.

[@Sole650]

Why? Cuz you feel offended how she talks? Grow a pair dude. She got balls more than you lol

[@mortaldeity1922]

@@whatthefreakkkk "he" literally has the most feminine voice/face, on the male side, there.

[@rxse5042]

Janelle: I don’t believe in taking birth control or anything that alters my body Also her: 👁️ 👁️ 👄 🏀🏀

[@purvaghule08]

Lmfao fr

[@cocolezlie]

Janelle genuinely was like: Dang! I hurt my back in boot camp therefore no woman can presume any leadership role physically or mentally

[@denisha645]

I was so baffled when she said that. Like lady just say you couldn't handle it, don't bag on us women that actually made it through basic saying we are incapable of it.

[@x25violator]

But to hear her talk she has more masculine energy than the men in that room.

[@denisha645]

@@x25violator Beg to differ there. But either way she was so keen on specific binary energies and was the main one that thought she had feminine energy, rather than masculine. She felt she needed to tell men on how they needed to be, but she was it the whole time.

[@KD400_]

​@@x25violator that's most modern women. U should go fix them. Thats y men have walked away from women they r too masculine

[@x25violator]

@Loki actually we don't differ at all. Maybe the way I worded it was odd. I agree with you 💯

[@nataliel9089]

I really want Jubilee to do these more serious talks with people outside of America

[@kamiko8021]

Its mostly an American and European thing, majority of Africans and Asians just out there in shock at these ideologies. In a way I also do want to see it. Might be an eye opener for westerners

[@desi1844]

@@kamiko8021other cultures have more pertinent and serious problems to deal with than this nonsense the west wastes time talking about.

[@maggieflos5715]

I'd do the European version and I think we would have different stances due to culture and politics.

[@Viewable11]

That would not work, because outside of "America" (which is a continent, btw), people view the opinions presented by feminists and "transsexuals" as 100% insane.

[@judas7585]

​@@kamiko8021equal rights is ideology? 💀

[@nicoleyavorski1555]

i think janelle’s trauma from being trafficked is completely affecting her view on sex work, patriarchy/masculinity, gendered roles, and honestly everything in this video.

[@LoneWulf278]

I agree.

[@Cravennats]

I mean that’s kinda valid?

[@bromeliad9683]

I don’t necessarily agree with her points, but trauma affecting her views on a subject isn’t necessarily a bad thing. We all are going to have biases brought to the table that are going to affect the way we view the world, and I am sure there are people with similar traumas that have the opposite opinions.

[@starlightrains]

sex work literally deletes grey matter in the brains of people who watch it, hating it is based

[@Dawnfordaze]

What’s crazy is she a “sex intimacy expert” 😂 I’ve looked at her KZbin and insta.

[@darcysuurhoff7028]

I dated a girl who worked for the courthouse and she agrees. Men get blamed and disbelieved all the time if not most of the time

[@leen34568]

men ARE the abusers most of the time. i’m in law.

[@leen34568]

men ARE the abusers most of the time. i’m in law.

[@isolatefn3914]

It's unfortunate that these women think of themselves as "too emotional" to do certain things.

[@sayyestolife333]

As if emotions are bad, part of being human, if you speak about emotions you are too emotional. And then men are seen as non emotional and logical, when so often men just arent in touch with their emotions or talk about them, causing them to actually act out very emotionally and impulsively because to control your own emotions, it helps to at least try understanding them!

[@jeffreychandler8418]

rather that than "We can be emotional without consequence but you can't be because it inconveniences me"

[@jasonhendricks4562]

By "too emotional" they are implying "more likely to act without ration". I don't necessarily agree, but I think there is an uncomfortable truth here about gender differences that people are afraid to admit - which is: women are more neurotic on average. This is an actual psychological fact. And they cycle their emotions in many ways that keep them from being as objective as men can be.

[@ellen_good3924]

That's a fact. Not everyone is the same, but let's face it. Women are way emotional and that's truly amazing. It's not supposed to be changed for some position to prove some ppl wrong

[@marcello7781]

​@@sayyestolife333 Indeed. Another annoying thing is how many frame with the adjective "emotional" only those emotions perceived as weak, such as sadness, compassion, etc., despite anger being an emotion that can also make you weak.

[@eaaronross]

Hurt my heart so much when Jennelle said "I still see a woman". She was just looking to twist the knife and it was so cold :(

[@PENH5428]

Amala knew immediately

[@Rossuke1]

no bro cause she wouldn't be saying that if she didn't know too it's infuriating :( justice for Mason

[@lulugreen3588]

Literally I was so mad

[@joetoto2331]

Snowflake

[@reymki]

@@joetoto2331 that's all you dawg

[@Cosmicolors]

The woman is red was extremely disrespectful to other speakers. Please don’t ever bring her back. She didn’t allow other people to speak, and bull dogged her opinions onto others.

[@excelself]

Dang trying so silence a woman? Pfft 😂

[@joshuataylor3550]

She's scared

[@queensucka6170]

She sounds like a terrible mother too, I hope her kids run from her.

[@HisokaHaruka]

​@@excelself it's not about being silenced, it's about respecting others when they talk, especially in a setting like this

[@asador4000]

I hope she will come more often 😉

[@melsica]

Jenelle was so disrespectful when she said she sees Mason as a woman.

[@diamondwish11]

The constant no offense before absolutely being offensive from Janelle is wild. The disrespect of other's opinions with the eyerolling, sighs, snarky comments, constant over-talking (even though everyone was over-talking each other occasionally, her opinion was always the most loud). They can all disagree and still be respectful. She however was unlike the women next to her and she was over the top obnoxious. The other side handled her behavior with grace.

[@bunnyfm2049]

exactly, she is the one who infuriated me the most, besides Kaylee. She should not be debating, debating is so much more than just sharing opinions, logic and facts; you have to be mature and open minded. She was neither of those two.

[@abigailhoward9312]

the feminists were constantly being yelled over because the anti-feminists were always yelling over them & the feminists (not related to their opinions, but probably jus their personalities) just allowed them to continue most of the time. it’s just so hard to watch

[@luvbombz]

@@abigailhoward9312 the way janelle made me boil when she said 1 person talking at a time and cut off one of the men then continued to overtalk and interrupt people. I would of snapped.

[@KD400_]

​@@abigailhoward9312 r u not a feminist. Prove that ur not. We don't want chameleons here

[@MarcoAce13]

It’s funny that she exhibits so much masculine energy but claims to be a woman

[@parrisnia72]

I couldn’t tell that Mason is trans. The fact that she said she can sense "feminine energy" from him makes me wonder if she only said that because he said he's trans lol

[@Marz2727]

Of course Jenelle said it for that reason, Jenelle is an awful human being.

[@Execution88]

Definitely knew he was feminine, you could tell from his mannerism and the way he spoke

[@choco12325]

i felt so bad for Mason for having to deal with her T_T

[@jcookway]

As a gay male, I just thought maybe he was a fellow gay male, everyone can have a little feminine energy that doesn’t make them gay or trans just makes them human. She definitely just said that to be annoying.

[@ag2407]

Mason 100% has female energy, thinks like a woman because he was born as one. Whoever doesn’t sense that is coping

[@amberwalls4852]

when janelle said being poor is a "mental state"🤩🤩 it really just showed how disconnected she is

[@tessanewson6556]

Literally thought the same thing! In sociology college courses you are taught about the myth of "poor culture"

[@al-imranadore1182]

Being poor in a first world countries is a just a mental state.

[@MfckingDye]

How is it "disconnect" when she herself came out of some of the shittiest circumstances a person could live through? Speaking for the way life is in the U.S., poverty could become a mindset if you convince yourself you will be in poverty forever, and do nothing to bring yourself out of it. That is 100% a mindset. It's odd however that you won't give her the proper credit and benefit of the doubt considering she has changed her situation for the better.

[@kwandozu]

​​Lol she is disconnected because she is egging on poor people who cannot afford children to reproduce, merely because she got away with having a child​ she had to depend on others to raise,@@MfckingDye

[@mamba4ever113]

Being poor is a mindset. You can be poor but have a plan to escape it. If you have no plan and no one in your family does either...you have a poor persons mindset. It's not that hard to understand if you think a lil bit harder.