Is it divisive to call out false teachers? With Monique Duson and Krista Bontrager

When we identify false gospels and call out false teachers, are we the ones who are actually being divisive? Should we just agree to disagree, even when the gospel is at stake? What is actual biblical unity?
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[@73pharmgirl]

“You cannot be seeker friendly at the expense of the gospel!” Amen and amen. ❤️ Great convo ladies, thank you.

[@marisahopper4616]

"You can't build a bridge between your sheep and a wolf so the wolf can come in and eat your sheep." Amen, Alisa!

[@richardrice1032]

Agreed. Think about it. A young Shepherd boy named David had a LOT of practice with his Sling protecting his Flock of Sheep, before confronting Goliath. Google "what shepherds do". Their primary responsibility is the safety and welfare of the flock. Pastor is Latin for Shepherd. Think Psalm 23!

[@cryosteam3944]

Christ is divisive. not because He Himself is choosing to be divisive, instead of being unifying, but because His unity is divisive, if you are not unified to Him, you will be divided from Him.

[@dearbrave4183]

Or simply because the truth divides 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@cryosteam3944]

Dear Brave that’s...exactly what I said. Christ IS Truth. that part was inferred, considering this audience is Christian. so thanks...I guess?

[@checkMe1011]

Amen 🙏

[@ctclardy]

@@dearbrave4183 It divides the wheat from the chaff... a process that is necessary and critical to preserve the true biblical interpretation of the gospel.

[@ctclardy]

What the church is up against is entire generations of children that have been indoctrinated within our education system (K-PhD) who have been programmed into social justice, critical theory, cultural Marxism, postmodernism, and unbridled sexual immorality… they have been conditioned for acceptance of these philosophies and ideas so as to easily reject the tenets of Biblical truth and adopt the progressive line of relativism and division along racial, ethnic, gender, sexuality, and a variety of victimized categories… the oppressed and oppressor. These divisions are the result of deconstruction theory that take every idea of cultural, societal, historical, and legal thought and deconstruct every line of belief, reconsider it under the umbrella of progressive or postmodern ideology, and then reconstruct a new belief system of progressive thought beside and within the old one so as not to shock people into the realization of the truth of its contradictions to biblical truth… then get them to accept the new false teachings while believing they are still in compliance with biblical truth. Friends, it is our education system we send our kids to that prepares the fertile grounds for them to reject what they are taught at home and church and accept false teachings… and, if we are not aware and vigilant of what is happening we have no ability to halt and reverse this seeming irreversible redirection of our society towards secular hedonism and new age heresies that are all too seductive… just like that forbidden fruit in the garden of Eden that was so enticing to Eve, the new thoughts of these humanistic self-virtuous utopias will seduce the indoctrinated into the unintended consequences of their own self-inflicted harm and eventually total destruction.

[@amanda8399]

Coming from someone who was raised mormon let me make it clear that we must name the names of people who are not sound in their Biblical foundation. We have to! It’s too important!❤️

[@BiblePsychology68]

Thank you for sharing this. I am aware of some false preachers and it is unclear what to do other than identify and avoid.

[@centerforbiblicalunity]

Oh look..... There we are.

[@monks6766]

Monique! You are on fire 🔥 with the holy spirit!

[@elaniVR]

Hi Monique! It's Elani! We were in Small Group together in Shofar Stellenbosch. It's so wonderful to see you again, and the work that you are doing for the Lord!! Soli De Gloria!

[@KarisParadiseVintage]

Monique, you don't know how much I appreciate your voice of truth. Thank you, precious sister, for standing strong and teaching us with grace and strength.

[@centerforbiblicalunity]

@@elaniVR!!! Hou gaan dit! (I think I spelled all that right, it's been a few years!) So good to hear from you!

[@elaniVR]

@@centerforbiblicalunity it's been quite few years, yes!! I've been married for about two years now and have a little (and very busy) little boy! We joined a wonderful, small reformed congregation here along the wild West Coast. Thank you for your ministry and your courage and I pray the Lord will continue to hold you fast!! Much love from all of us!

[@skeinofadifferentcolor2090]

"Christianity is exclusive." Truth!! "Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is-his good, pleasing and perfect will. " Romans 21:2

[@vb4935]

Small Correction - Romans 12:2 not 21:2

[@prrophetjonathandzugba9246]

"Truth has no color" powerful

[@JedidjahSlagter]

Watering down the Truth is not keeping the unity in the end. Pastors have to dare to stand up

[@richardrice1032]

Agreed. Pastor is Latin for Shepherd. Shepherds are responsible for herding their Flocks to good forage, food. In this case Spiritual Nourishment. Logically Pastors need to know where the Spiritual Nourishment is so they can Feed their Flocks, in this case Hungry Believers.

[@sophiejanelee]

My mum - who is a Christian - called me hateful for calling out false teachers like the leaders of Bethel. I want the lord to correct me if I was hateful in any way, but I cannot be silent about false teachings and false teachers. If I do not have love, I have nothing. We are called to guard the Gospel.

[@girlonfoot]

"Clarity about doctrine" (11:48) gives you a solid, hopeful, powerful place to stand! That is, in Christ.

[@supergirl229]

The mega-church model is a hard problem to shake. Many pastors believe their numbers don't lie, "Look how many souls are being saved!" they say. At the expense of discipling those souls. Thirty years of my life has been spent in a mega-church and the last 6 months have been such a blessing to nourishing me in ways I've dreamed about for the last 7-10 years. Alisa, Krista, and Monique, you have each been a part of that process most recently and you need to know that what you are doing is making an impact for the Kingdom! Do not stop! Anytime you need a word of encouragement to counteract the world's hate, I've got your back! We are fighting a real enemy who wants us to quit and lay down our weapons - but our weapons are not of this world! Praise Jesus!

[@donfout2830]

"We are fighting a real enemy who wants us to quit and lay down our weapons - but our weapons are not of this world! Praise Jesus!" Said adversary ("...a real enemy...") also aims that we shall believe a lie, and love it and live it and wage warfare for it, as that would be enough to work against us and to work against the final population of The KINGDOM. So what lie? Any of them will work, perhaps some more vigorously than some others. Which lies need thrown out of our walk with Christ (deserving of all praise, honor and obedience) and how do we know what they are? Well, Emmanuel (God with us) said that he who keeps His commandments is he who loves Him. And He said that He and the FATHER are one, and that He kept His FATHERS' (HIS, by virtue of what was just related) commandments and that neither were they nor would they be canceled or changed. So, have the commandments of men come to be taught as doctrine? I'm not talking about ceremonial law. That is fulfilled by the life, death and resurrection of The CHRIST. I'm talking about the Ten Commandments. Gods' moral law, the list which so many of are used most by all in the world to keep a check on societies. (Yes, this one has been altered for so long now, and this other has been revised and another has been cast out for some imagined reason, that's sort of part of the point.) Have the commandments of men come to be taught as doctrine? It seems as if this is what has happened. "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children." and "Many pastors have destroyed my vineyard, they have trodden my portion under foot, they have made my pleasant portion a desolate wilderness." Hosea 4:6 and Jeremiah 12:10 Care to know what verses this book I use references to? (Okay, I'll spill it.) Isaiah 5:13, with 2 for Jer 12:10; Isaiah 5:1 (and 2, because 1 ends with a colon instead of any full stop punctuation) & Jeremiah 6:3 What readings, what power! (I'm going to put this in the straight comments also, except for this line.)

[@jennifermarriott4903]

Thank you ladies. What an example you are to the world. Beautiful godly women who clearly articulate God's Word about unity with kindness, gentleness and compassion. You are an encouragement and blessing. Thank you!!

[@celestetori7705]

Thank you for tackling these difficult topics. I absolutely agree we need to protect the flock more than ever. It is a disservice to the church not discussing Biblical truth versus the world’s truth.

[@alpscraftshack599]

In order to be united, in true Spiritual unity - not a false, make-me-feel-good unity, we must stand our ground against false teachings, false interpretations, and misapplication of His Word. If people think or want to call that divisive, that is their problem. The Father said, of the Son: "This is My Beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. HEAR HIM'" He told us to Hear the Son - not fallible men. The Lord & Saviour's teachings & commands are very plain and clear to those who have ears to hear, eyes to see, an opened mind, a willing heart, and earnestly seek the guidance & leading of the Spirit. They do not need any explanation or interpretation by any fallible men.

[@melblack7412]

A couple things I would say to this as well is that unity is founded on the basis of what God says, not upon what we say. When people buck at disunity in this way it's because they generally do not honor God alone to have the authority. Meaning, God is the one who decides what is right and wrong, light and darkness-we are not the ones who are deciding these things. If we ARE deciding these things upon ourselves then that means we are deciding it upon our vanity, selfishness, pride, or something similar, and this would be wicked. It is this that people are accusing those who are walking in RIGHT disunity as doing. Ironically, that is exactly what so many of these things (critical race theory, progressive christianity) are basing THEIR divisions upon, not upon God's Word, but upon themselves. Deciding what is true out of themselves. THAT is what is wicked. To divide because of what is of God and what is not of God is righteous, to divide because of what is of our own selves, a selectivism is wicked. The difference is that one is OF God and one is OF self. It also means that people don't understand that God is FOR what is of Himself, and unity is ONLY founded in what is of Him. "I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours." (John 17:9) Unity is always based upon what is OF Christ. People ignore this and think themselves "loving" to reach outside of this. It is treason to Christ and it is also WEAKNESS in the person who does it. This is a very common error today, where we try to have some "unity" as a whole, when Christ Himself is against such things, showing that unity is only in that which is of Himself, and He rebukes all else: "Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters." (Matt 12:30) The real issue is that people are offended at Christ and HIS division. And they are offended at HIM having authority.

[@BudandBloomWithBlossom]

Mel AAAAAMEN!!!

[@melblack7412]

@@user-wq4xy5tf8x Hello! This is VERY true. I'm thinking on Romans 12:1-2 with what you're saying. It is only when we truly give ourselves to Christ in reading His Word and obeying Him that we are transformed. I think we often try to have "unity", even in Christ alone, but when we're not filled with Christ and brought into true submission to Him, then it's still fruitless. This is because as we can only have unity if it's in Christ alone, so can we also only have unity in Christ if each of us, individually, are wrestling fully into giving ourselves over to Christ (both in abiding and in obedience). Bless you, sister

[@victorymeadow4073]

Praise the Lord for your faithfulness and obedience to His Word! Praying for you all.

[@lotruthve6402]

We need people who really love Jesus and His word who won’t compromise on truth! This is Gods command

[@richardm23]

“There is no such thing at all as Christian love (unity) without Christian Theology” -S. Lewis Johnson- Sermon “The Last Hour and the Doctrinal Test” 1 John 2:18-21

[@KhalidSnowden]

You ladies are right on! I agree with everything that was said here.

[@centerforbiblicalunity]

Whaaaattt?? Did we just get love from the Khalid Snowden??? Thanks so much!! Blessings! -Monique

[@kellyanne7225]

I’ve heard a few people in my church say that they feel that our church isn’t showing enough “love” as they see some of our attendees go to the more “loving,” liberal churches. However, being sympathetic or empathic doesn’t mean you have to be apathetic. Apathy cannot serve in truth.

[@juanitadudley4788]

"That's not divisive. That's preserving the Unity of the Gospel". AMEN!

[@loiscarteaux9389]

Thank you so much! I'm a new listener and so appreciate your stand and your guests stand for biblical truth.

[@rubywedderburn6528]

That statement about "THE BRIDGE" !!!!!! Epic!!!!! Simple put in my humble opinion..... Light and Darkness will NEVER EVER UNITE!!!!!!! JESUS IS THE WAY.. THE TRUTH AND THE LIGHT..... PERIOD!!!!!

[@LadyoftheBunnies]

This was a great conversation! I hope it helps people to understand why we are called to test everything and call out false teachers. The Bible all over talks about this issue and specifically all but one letter of the New Testament mentions false teachers.

[@Arguewityamama]

We can't be so afraid of not offending Man, that we allow ourselves to offend God! Thank you so much ladies for this ministry, such a good conversation, and something that I've struggled to get across to my other Christian friends, so many of them will not accept the fact, that so much of what have been digesting is the world's truth, and not biblical truth.

[@bec_a]

Thank you for your boldness and not backing away from proclaiming the truth.

[@sandrabargeron747]

Such a great and necessary talk. Thank you Monique for that great simple explanation of family and ground rules for family!

[@mrj7066]

This was absolutely brilliant. Thank you for sharing. Im in that place now. Where I've heard from the elders mouth non biblical statements and my brethren too. We spoke to an elder, who instead of exploring the concerns, speaks of judgment and wheat and tares. God bless you this is encouraging.

[@annmcrath536]

You ladies are tackling some very serious stuff. You go girls! God go with you. ❤

[@tomservo51]

Thanks Ladies, we left our large church after serving there for about 7 years because they wanted to focus on BLM instead of the Gospel.

[@praiseanyanegbu6927]

Thanks again another brilliant discussion. "Unity only comes through maturity". Reminds me of Greg Koukl in his book tactics speaking about superficial unity. He highlighted that if we don't argue (in the sense of respectful dialogue) as Christian's the unity we espouse is "artificial". We have to be unified on truth.

[@apostlesdoctrineministries7663]

I greatly appreciate the information you guys shared. It has helped me to be a bold ambassador of Jesus Christ and not worry about being cancelled for teaching scriptural truth 👍🏿

[@richardm23]

Wow 15:00 megachurch model you just went there! 💥 💥 💥

[@mkshffr4936]

Spot on Alisa!

[@cheryleverett2318]

The unity factor is very important, but not at the expense of sound doctrine.

[@Christwalker89]

Loved every minute of this. Thanks Sisters!!

[@JedidjahSlagter]

The Word has proven that it can withstand all our struggles and hardest questions

[@lauradavidson2955]

I thank you all for standing for the truth of Gods word. Me & my husband were in leadership at the church that we attended & the false prosperity gospel crept in and my husband was an elder and confronted the pastor & his wife and it turned out that WE were in the wrong and that we were being divisive . It hurt us both that they treated us that way. We ended up leaving there and the church there remains under that false doctrine.

[@randsollie7921]

What is the "false prosperity Gospel?"

[@lauradavidson2955]

Rand that is where so called preachers use the name of God for their own selfish gain . They have people to give them thousands of dollars in the name of Christ .

[@libbymclain1292]

So, so true about mega churches! They just can’t “afford” to have those discerning conversations.

[@MarkieG101]

Keep doing what you are doing! It’s appreciated!

[@phillip0537]

Keep up the great work all of you!

[@mzgreth305]

This was great. I am ordering your book. Truth spoken. Not seeker friendly at all. Jesus preached the gospel of the Kingdom and He preached repentance.

[@checkMe1011]

““They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.” ‭‭John‬ ‭17:16-17‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

[@reecebaptista4074]

It is encouraging seeing fellow Christian sisters speak about true unity: unity in the Gospel / Good News and upholding and believing the Word of God.

[@BrotherDave80]

Alisa Childers is the real deal!! love this womans courage and boldness to stand on God's word!!

[@keepcalmkd]

It seems that we want to build bridges to span the chasm between races, genders, sexuality, politics etc. We do this in an effort to create a way to unity. We have forgotten that JESUS is the WAY. He is the bridge. Our job is not to build bridges but to point people to the WAY. Only when we (sinners and the saved) recognize that this is THE ONLY WAY can we cross the chasm between sin and life. God has already provided the bridge!

[@thehobbyfam]

Don't you think that part of the problem is that our church leadership isn't qualified for the job? Or they aren't rising to meet the qualifications? Pastors aren't studying as they should. Leaders don't even know what they really should be doing.

[@edmetzger3617]

“We are now having an inter-faith conversation” EXACTLY!

[@JewandGreek]

It's okay to call out false teachers, but you have to first of all ensure that they are in fact false teachers instead of just teachers who disagree with you on secondary issues. You're not a false teacher because you believe it's God's will to heal, or because you reject OSAS, or because you voted for a Democrat or because you are post-trib or post-mil. It is divisive to call somebody a false teacher when they affirm all of the essential doctrines of the faith, which is all too common in the discernment world on KZbin.

[@monibarker6251]

This is when Church Leadership can legitimately say “Not today satan...” 🤣🤣🤣

[@Vynachadzavy]

Hello. A guy here🙂 I love your videos. This is very good conversation. The only thing I would like to ask is why do we tall about unity based on 2000 years of tradition? Why not to talk about unity based on the scriptures and unity in Holy Spirit?

[@RachelSmith-vm2jt]

If it is another Gospel ,we are told ,by Jesus,to mark and avoid such. My heart broke to see those who stood on solid Truth join ( for the sake of love/unity) with false teachers at The Return.

[@davidrobinson5180]

Hi Alisa, I have really appreciated your channel and especially your discussion of progressive Christianity. I mostly like that you are careful and not overly combative in the way you talk. I am a pastor in a church. In recent months, we have dealt with what I might call "incipient CRT" or "proto-CRT". Perhaps you have heard people talk about Paul and John's letters that deal with incipient or protognosticism. Paul and John don't call it out directly, but the beginnings of it are visible to the trained eye. In my church, I am the one seminary trained guy, the youngest pastor, and the one who preaches the most. I also went to a college that discussed Marxism, 3rd wave feminism, postmodernism, and critical theory quite a bit. I'm writing because I just want to share my approach for dealing with this kind of thing in a church. Basically, I do not "call out" CRT using any of my sermons or my writings for the church. But from time to time, I write things that specifically address some of the core issues at stake: 1) evangelism and discipleship are our priorities from Matthew 28, not becoming activists for social change, 2) our source for spiritual truth about ourselves and the world is the Bible, and nothing else, 3) the gospel is Jesus' death for sins, resurrection, and ascension to the Father until he returns to rule the world, not anything else that people might want to reshape it into, 4) Christians are called to respect authority, obey them, even when they are unjust, and not resist them, 5) like you and your guests said, true unity is coming together around truth, not just trying to get along and tolerate every opinion. Even doing these things, it has brought up very intense conversations and people have left the church. I never tried to make an argument against intersectionality, systemic racism, or dismantling structures. I simply exposited clear Bible truths that I knew for certain would bother someone who began to believe something beyond the Bible's teaching in these issues. I am really saddened by the fact that people have left; but I don't regret anything I have preached or written. On the other hand, I did have a meeting with the other elders to talk about the Marxist ideology in black lives matter and a few other related issues. We are all completely on the same page, praise the Lord! Time will tell if I am wrong for not calling out CRT more "openly". My goal is to follow the example of Paul and Peter in addressing the underlying truths that are incompatible with human philosophy, rather than trying to exposit and rebuke the entire flawed philosophy of CRT. I have no issues with those who do; but I am trying to be cautious not to move the focus away from God's word as I lead others in our church. Again, thanks for this great conversation. All the best to you, David

[@BudandBloomWithBlossom]

David The Bible tells us that there is a time and a place for everything. There is a time to resist, because we are to resist the devil. German Christians resisted the law of Nazism and sheltered Jews- which was against the law. Please dont tell people that they are to "obey authority even when they are unjust."

[@davidrobinson5180]

@@BudandBloomWithBlossom Thanks for your encouragement. I agree there are times when Christians need to resist. But I believe those times are only when government is asking us to disobey the Bible. In Paul's day, the Roman government did many things to him which were unjust, as did Pharoah with Joseph in Genesis, but their respect and compliance toward unjust rulers was still there.

[@BudandBloomWithBlossom]

@@davidrobinson5180 MLK was a pastor who was an activist for social change. There is a problem that you separate everyday life from the church, from Jesus. Im not saying that you do this: but the church seems to only "stand up" for the abolishment of abortion, not the abolishment of the oppression and murder of post-birth men, women, and children.

[@davidrobinson5180]

@@BudandBloomWithBlossom Do you think MLK is the standard for what a pastor must be like?

[@BudandBloomWithBlossom]

@@davidrobinson5180 You should be addressing what I said about pastors and churches shouting about abortion and silent about post born people being oppressed, abused, and brutalized.

[@whittakerdanielj]

I self-select out, against the doctrines of men, glad I did. I see this killing Christ all over again. It should be acknowledged that it is not just a group issue but an individual issue that they must let go of the hatred they were taught. Another excellent video.

[@NicholasproclaimerofMessiah]

"Jezebel" in Revelation is an Old Testament reference, not a human individual. Excellent video though sisters. Thanks for contributing rightfully to this important discussion. I'm almost at the end of the video now. Those analogies about music and dance, and the appreciation of clarity; so very excellent sisters.

[@Purdin347]

We must always call out false preachers/prophets, and stand against them.

[@angelaboutwell2761]

Wow!! I have to say this us so refreshing to hear. I've been trained in Biblical theology and to hear this makes my heart sing. It's about time. I am getting flack on FB over this. I've even been told I'm not tolerant. I am grateful for your podcast. I've been listening since January 2022. I am just so excited to see someone speaking up. And yes you are apologist. I was shocked about two months ago when I wrote my first apologetic on FB. It sadden me when people from my own group called me out and tried to get me to come back to a group I was discerning was wrong Theology and it was Word of Faith, Prosperity doctrine. Tell God what you want and he will give it to you. I sat and told these people they were wrong for telling people they don't have to work for what God gives us. There was no stewardship in what they were teaching. No, theological basis and they were quoting Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Haggin, and Joel Olstine. None of it was scriptural based. They cherry pick. Yes, they came to me through what they would say is scripturally based, but how they did was not Biblically according to scripture.

[@michaelbrickley2443]

Paul said in Philippians it made him glad Jesus was being mentioned but at the same time, he was writing letters of correction which just goes to show the necessity of context and reading the WHOLE BIBLE. Scary for me was the Furtick cult getting crazy on me. I try to dialogue regarding some of the issues and they get crazy. Cult of personality crazy…..

[@huibgeertsema6195]

This was interesting. The unity comes out, were there is clearity about what we believe about God, Christ, the Holy spirit and the church. The colour of some ones skin is not a bible isue. The gospel goes out to all, the Jew first and to the Greek. Young/old, black/white, male/female we all are sinners and only Jesus saves us. We all need 100% Jesus, grace. You can't mix american foorball with soccer. There are ruels and when we disagree about these ruels, there is no unity. Jesus himself said, I come to bring the sword. He divides the right from wrong.

[@LindeeLove]

I'm havin' a relationship with a character in a book!

[@bellsage33]

What a wonderful video. Three beautiful women of God having a very important conversation. Thank you.

[@jclvsyou22]

Great topic and attention to detail, progressive Christianity, is no Christianity at all. God does not tolerate Syncretism, even we try to hold a throne of our own. The Seven Churches, in Asia give us a picture of how Christ loving corrects His Church, along with the Apostles in the Gospel’s and Epistles. Great boldness and care with this easily divisive topic. Christ is the King of Kings, and Lord of Lords!

[@cestmois9959]

"I'm going to waffle to protect my big paycheck."

[@sandriagutierrez2605]

Pastors should consider that as shepherds, their one primary job is to protect their sheep from wolves, and any other predator that could do harm. Problem is there are more hirelings than those who are truly called. For what it’s worth this is what I have seen throughout my 36 years in the body of Christ. It makes my heart truly heavy!

[@lindajohnson4204]

Public teachings have to be addressed publicly, because of the harm that is done to the people affected by them. To make a public profession to be a teacher, means that you have made yourself publicly accountable. It is not for the purpose of hurting the false teacher, but of upholding the truth against error that will be many times more destructive than the hurt the teacher has to endure by being called out about being wrong.

[@yaw8912]

I've really learned and been relieved by this discussion. Truth isn't popular but sets free

[@jeanniestaller797]

Calling out false teachers is fine as long as you're not calling out teachers for differences of opinion that involve minor teachings.

[@cinmo523]

Narrow is the way. Hallelujah. The truth is in our Lord's Word in context. Praying for you Ladies stay strong in Christ.

[@timsharpe6652]

Well said ladies !! I'm on board as you 3 are ! In total agreement 🙂🙏

[@ACEn8r]

Thank you for talking about this! Pastors and church leaders need to be absolutely clear about what a Christian world view looks like. That is the path towards unity. I can see CRT creeping into the church I had been supporting under the guise of being empathetic. It broke my heart to step away.

[@Based_Proletariat]

You're a racist.

[@stellacarlson4998]

How wonderful to hear this, I’m so proud of you sisters! Keep getting the word out. 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@jeff7888]

Unity does not come about by growing in maturity. In Christ the church,(born again) believers have the unity. We are told to keep that unity. This unity has nothing to do with race are maturity. Ephesians 4:3.

[@loriandmichelle]

Thank you for this! Great video that more need to hear this message.

[@noway22573]

It is wrong when you see lies and deceit to not call them out and expose them.

[@dearbrave4183]

I loved this!♥️ No solution can come at the expense of the word of God

[@hannahsearwar5172]

"To present the bait and hide the hook; to present the golden cup, and hide the poison; to present the sweet, the pleasure, and the profit that may flow in upon the soul by yielding to sin, and by hiding from the soul the wrath and misery that will certainly follow the committing of sin." - Thomas Brooks, Precious Remedies Against Satan's Devices

[@tracisspace]

I’m thankful your channel came up in my recommendation. I really enjoy this real talk content.

[@Alexis-wh2de]

Couldn't agree more. "Seeker Friendly" means nothing if a church body doesn't know who it is that they are seeking. Yeshua was clear; he came for His sheep. This means not every sheep that wanders is his. Some church leaders are so focused on who has the bigger flock that they forget, it is all the same flock--Yeshua's flock--and they are only laborers in Yeshua's field.

[@mkshffr4936]

One of the big problems with the seeker sensitive movement is that they are badly confused about who is the seeker. Another is the mistaken notion that the worship service is essentially about outreach.

[@meredithkirk4656]

Fantasic episode on how to call out false teachings in a graceful and Christ loving way. Side note: Monique is phenominal! I am eager to go listen to more of her videos!

[@marisahopper4616]

Amen! It's protecting the unity of the Church to rebuke unsound doctrine. I pray that leaders in the Body of Christ will courageously and faithfully guard against false teaching.

[@Cesar-pq2ck]

We are to defend the gospel; aka the truth. Period. Imagine if we know where land mines are placed and we don’t tell those walking where to avoid? It’s our job to call out those land mines before they destroy lives.

[@MichelleTurnz]

Just preach the gospel

[@freshliving4199]

Is it divisive to call out false teachers? Yes and that is exactly why we are supposed to stand up for what is right in God’s eyes. Jesus did not come to unite the world but to separate it. Be in the world not of the world.

[@BrotherGerald]

Love for GOD and HIS absolute truth demands that we reprove the unfruitful works of darkness. 0Ephesians 5:11)

[@HelpMamaRemote]

Praise God for speaking truth

[@sharoncurtis3413]

Too late...every single denomination is fractured. It is heart breaking for the old mainstreams...Faith of your great grand parents just shattered. Lovely old buildings now.

[@PsychoBible]

When Jesus prayed we would all be one, he wasn't necessarily praying for unity. He was praying for integrity. Integrity to the truth, the Gospel, is what unites diverse backgrounds and makes us like-minded.

[@littlemama4two]

That was excellent!

[@rickgarza5985]

Alisa good morning . How can i deal with a oneness pentecostal friend on the topic of the Trinity ?

[@tomhitchcock8195]

Our unity is in the truth. Unity is not from unity.

[@LatterDaisySaint]

So, it's "another gospel" and yet they are still Christian in your mind? But other Christians (other Christian faiths/sects) who love Jesus Christ and more closely align in the FRUITS of the gospel (being Christlike)...are not included in the Christian family. I find this very sad and inconsistent.

[@GOLDSMITHEXILE]

"see to it that no one takes you captive with hollow and deceptive philosophy that depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ" Colossians 2:8 "The visions of your prophets were false and worthless they did not expose your sin to ward off your captivity the oracles they gave you were false and misleading" Lamentations 2:14 I was once in a church meeting where "churches together" was being discussed. I said what is the basis around which your "unity" depends? "the person of Jesus" they said. Well, I went down like a lead balloon when I said the muslims may as well join in, they believe Jesus was a man (prophet) The progressive church refuses to accept Jesus as the divine son of God, the lamb that takes away our sin, the faithful high priest sat at God's right hand who we confess.....they want him to be strictly human-a philosopher, mystic, legal advocate, tolerater of anything, a party animal, political figure, facilitator of my dreams etc

[@rockandsandapologetics7254]

That was a really great discussion. It was interesting to see three ladies tackling the same problems of unity from their unique perspectives. I was especially interested with Monique's explanation that it has to be the Gospel first, the doctrine first, then you can come and have the hard discussions. She really impressed me. Well, you all did, but she just grabbed the bull by the horns so to speak and wrestled it to the ground. This is something all Christians need to learn to do, get the Gospel fixed right in their heart, then taking these hard questions and wrestling them to the ground. We don't need to fear, for "Greater is He who is in you than He who is in the world." (1 John 4:4c)

[@josedopwell9645]

"How can we keep our churches unified but NOT have these conversations?" That's trying to have it both ways. Wanting to be liked and popular rather than willing to suffer rejection in Christ. "The fear of man lays a snare BUT HE WHO TRUSTS IN THE LORD IS SAFE." (Proverbs 29:25) Also, the false unity of surface social relationships. Instead of a church it's a nice religious club. "Seeker friendly church" is an oxymoron and a compromise. Catering to the people when first and foremost we're called and commanded to worship and seek the LORD (John 4:24, Isaiah 55:6-9). When the rich young ruler went away sad, Jesus didnt chase him or lower his standards for repentance. Jesus doesn't need any of us. God could easily have rocks worshipping him and singing his praises.

[@TheShutterbug1968]

Hi There, I can totally understand your position in your conversations. Here are some scriptures that can help as well; Matthew 24:4-5 NKJV And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. [5] For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. Matthew 10:34-39 NKJV “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. [35] For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; [36] and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ [37] He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. [38] And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. [39] He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it. Luke 12:1-3 NKJV In the meantime, when an innumerable multitude of people had gathered together, so that they trampled one another, He began to say to His disciples first of all, “Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. [2] For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, nor hidden that will not be known. [3] Therefore whatever you have spoken in the dark will be heard in the light, and what you have spoken in the ear in inner rooms will be proclaimed on the housetops. Jesus words say it best. Test what is said and always follow Jesus. His love will guide us in discernment. Many will be deceived in the last days. It's good to see you all taking a stand to stick with Jesus commands. If we love Him we will obey his commandments. From the Old Testament: Deuteronomy 13:1-8 NKJV “If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, [2] and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’-which you have not known-‘and let us serve them,’ [3] you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. [4] You shall walk after the LORD your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him. [5] But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has spoken in order to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of bondage, to entice you from the way in which the LORD your God commanded you to walk. So you shall put away the evil from your midst. [6] “If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, [7] of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, [8] you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; Jeremiah 17:5-10 NKJV Thus says the LORD: “Cursed is the man who trusts in man And makes flesh his strength, Whose heart departs from the LORD. [6] For he shall be like a shrub in the desert, And shall not see when good comes, But shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, In a salt land which is not inhabited. [7] “Blessed is the man who trusts in the LORD, And whose hope is the LORD. [8] For he shall be like a tree planted by the waters, Which spreads out its roots by the river, And will not fear when heat comes; But its leaf will be green, And will not be anxious in the year of drought, Nor will cease from yielding fruit. [9] “The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it? [10] I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give every man according to his ways, According to the fruit of his doings. JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY. HE WILL KEEP OUR PATHS STRAIGHT AND WE WILL NOT STUMBLE. BLESSINGS IN CHRIST!

[@dabbler1166]

Is it divisive to call out false teachers? Yes, it is. But you should do it anyway. Why? Because TRUTH matters. But both will claim to have the Truth. What now? Use the Bible. But both will say the Bible supports *their* view. What now? This may not be perfect but -- i think in most cases, one side will have its bible-verses "fit" MUCH more plainly, clearly and obviously. The LESS "gymnastics" and re-explaining a church has to do once it already used-a-supporting-verse, the more simply it fits and explains, the more likely that TRUTH is on that churches side.

[@helloitsme7553]

i think if teachers make a few mistakes then warn people about those mistakes but do not advise them to fully stay away of thosr teachers. if its a pattern, you should stay away

[@tayh.6235]

Yes, and it's important to stand firm on fundamentals but allow some grace on secondary issues. For instance, I don't believe Calvinism is correct, but that doesn't stop me from saying that Calvinists are my brothers and sisters. We can discuss our disagreements as family matters as long as we are agreeing on the fundamental. Progressives who throw the very basics out the window are not in the same territory. We should, of course, still avoid personal and cruel attacks like making fun of their appearance or making threats. Only target the ideology.

[@checkMe1011]

“Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division. For from now on five in one house will be divided: three against two, and two against three. Father will be divided against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.”” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭12:51-53‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

[@donfout2830]

"We are fighting a real enemy who wants us to quit and lay down our weapons - but our weapons are not of this world! Praise Jesus!" (This is a last couple lines from a year old comment a little ways down the list, I responded this there also.) Said adversary ("...a real enemy...") also aims that we shall believe a lie, and love it and live it and wage warfare for it, as that would be enough to work against us and to work against the final population of The KINGDOM. So what lie? Any of them will work, perhaps some more vigorously than some others. Which lies need thrown out of our walk with Christ (deserving of all praise, honor and obedience) and how do we know what they are? Well, Emmanuel (God with us) said that he who keeps His commandments is he who loves Him. And He said that He and the FATHER are one, and that He kept His FATHERS' (HIS, by virtue of what was just related) commandments and that neither were they nor would they be canceled or changed. So, have the commandments of men come to be taught as doctrine? I'm not talking about ceremonial law. That is fulfilled by the life, death and resurrection of The CHRIST. I'm talking about the Ten Commandments. Gods' moral law, the list which so many of are used most by all in the world to keep a check on societies. (Yes, this one has been altered for so long now, and this other has been revised and another has been cast out for some imagined reason, that's sort of part of the point.) Have the commandments of men come to be taught as doctrine? It seems as if this is what has happened. "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children." and "Many pastors have destroyed my vineyard, they have trodden my portion under foot, they have made my pleasant portion a desolate wilderness." Hosea 4:6 and Jeremiah 12:10 Care to know what verses this book I use references to? (Okay, I'll spill it.) Isaiah 5:13, with 2 for Jer 12:10; Isaiah 5:1 (and 2, because 1 ends with a colon instead of any full stop punctuation) & Jeremiah 6:3 What readings, what power!

[@williamfranz6639]

People are God's sheep in the metaphor. We are the sheep. Calling other pastors false, is a dubious practice. You have 30k protestant denominations. All different in some regard. Catholicism has it's differences with you. Do you call a priest in the RCC or Eastern Orthodox, or Armenian, or oriental churches false? Why? It does little more than feed the ego. No wonder Jesus makes the point about the joy in heaven over renewal of one sinner over a bunch of righteous. The sin of the righteous seems constantly the source of Christ's correction. ( Good Son in the Prodical Son; the righteous stone throwers; the pharisees almost every encounter). One thing to remember. When Jesus spoke of his Church, when the Apostles in Acts did, when Paul did, one church ," the body," was what Jesus contemplated. The first thought in humility is the body is a failure based on what God wanted. God did not want tribes he wanted a corporate body of believers. You call ideas false and that I assume is what you believe. NOBODY HAS A MONOPOLY on truth. Christianity requires humility not ego, and everybody has a beam in their eye yet willing to address the splinter in their brothers. Finally, I see constant attack of some nebulous group you call progressives. In honesty it tracks the divides of secular politics whether you admit that or not. Secular politics is about power, wealth, and keeping them, and that is almost antithetical to Christ of the Gospel. He are my observations. "Progressive" is identified as being somehow new. A departure from what is orthodox belief. Then I see examples given of what you think is new, and because I know a bit about Christian history, I know much is not new. Much is very old. Predates Martin Luther. You just aren't familiar. Not familiar is a dubious place to make authoritative claims from

[@JacobStein1960]

Christianity is already incredibly divided, each groups has their own proofs and arguments and each damns the rest. Evangelical Protestants, Mormons, Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox just to name a few major movements however there are many more, ancient and modern. I think you're all probably right: you're all damned.