Do You NEED These? NEW Milwaukee FORGE Batteries XC8.0 and HD12.0

These new Milwaukee FORGE XC 8.0 and HD 12.0 Batteries use tabless cell technology to build more power from nearly the same size battery. When charged with the Milwaukee Super Charger, the COOL CYCLE technology allows the batteries to be charged to 100% in just 45 minutes, while keeping the batteries cool in the process. These new FORGE Batteries also deliver up to 50% more power than the predecessor, and they include a more robust build as well.
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[@james2042]

The real test here isnt the 5.0 vs forge 12ah, its the hd 12ah vs forge 12ah. Which btw theres a notable difference especially in thermals

[@TheKurtTribute]

I notice a pretty substantial difference in 12.0 vs Forge 12.0 on my Quik Lok Trimmer/brush cutter. It almost never bogs down and despite being the same Amp/Hr it seems to last longer as well.

[@kylehughes1619]

Where's the five amp hour battery you're talking about? Maybe they'll show it later. But it seems to me like they're comparing an 8.0 versus a 12. What is special about the five?

[@kylehughes1619]

Never mind, lol I watched long enough to realize what you were talking about.

[@dev_lskr]

Torque test channel gonna have a field day

[@haroldjones12]

don’t believe everything you see on torque test channel because when it comes to real world use they perform way different. for instance they claim the dewalt dcf 961 to be the “strongest cordless high torque” but in real world use it struggles a bit more than the milwaukee 2967 😂

[@austinnile6639]

​@@haroldjones12i own the 961 out the gate at first the 2967 hits faster but overall top end power the 961 tops it just a lil i used both honestly

[@haroldjones12]

@@austinnile6639 i’m a field in service technician for CAT and i own both so majority of what we repair/take apart requires large amounts of torque. the milwaukee 2967 doesn’t struggle when it comes to the bigger bolts (32mm-44mm) the dewalt struggles or in some cases hesitant whereas milwaukee gets straight to business. don’t get me wrong the 961 is good but when in real world use in the heavy machine equipment industry the dewalt just falls behind. love the 891 mid torque from dewalt tho, plenty of power for a mid torque

[@Anonymous..VQ3.5Lg35]

Test the 6.0 forage battery against the 8.0 and 12.0 forage!

[@georgedobbs9216]

Oh Yeah. Tim Johnson out here shredding bolts with even more power.

[@KelvinGreyheart]

It would have been nice to see comparisons with the very high draw tools, and compare these to the 6AH forge. I'll say that the 6AH forge is a significant improvement in raw grunt power on the 14 inch top handle chainsaw compared to both the 8 and 12 AH high outputs. The 8 AH HO stalls trivially easily in comparison. Similar for the new 6.5 inch circular saw. It simply doesn't bog down with the forge while the 8 AH HO can start to chug if you hit a knot or the cut isn't perfectly straight.

[@jake-mv5oi]

Good to know. I was wondering the same thing for my top-handle saw. Would be cool to se the new ones tested.

[@andrestoodrip6616]

Vents at bottom worry me, wonder how that'll hold up over time, i place my tools with battery as its platform as sometimes there is oil or water on ground and battery usually costs more than the tool so

[@thereloadingcraft]

What I am curious about, is why they didn’t use lithium pouch cells like they do in the 6.0 Forge.? From my understanding lithium pouch cells don’t need rebalancing like lithium cylindrical cells do which is a known issue in the standard 12.0 M18 batteries.

[@brianhall9019]

From what I’ve read.. the tabless is more efficient than the pouch. It releases its electrons faster and with less heat. The article I read stated that they thought the pouch was the way to go (look at DeWalt with their pouch and now an 8Ah tabless) but discovered that tabless was better… I’d expect a 4Ah tabless in our future. Ridgid and Ryobi both have them. Just a matter of time until Milwaukee drops one (TTI being the parent company). It of course will be similar to the 3Ah HighOutput, which is more powerful than their stalwart 5Ah. I’m just speculating.😊

[@VeekndWarrior]

During the last pipeline event, the rep said that cylindrical cells are easier to cool and allow for a better form factor then pouch. Cooler batteries have a much longer life, and maybe they figured out the load balancing on the tables. Also, maybe, they don't really want the batteries to last forever... Optimally, they would run issue free for warranty +6 months or so

[@go-toolzreviews]

it's a cost thing.

[@madjackgamingandfitness498]

Going away from the pouch is probably a better idea. I understand they don’t deal well with heat and longevity. Swell too much and potentially more dangerous.

[@THEBEARDEDTOOLGUY]

​@@brianhall9019Have the RIDGID 4 AMP MAX OUTPUT EXP and the RYOBI EDGE BATTERY Both are Nice and keep up and BEAT there Bigger 8 AMP 21700 cells BROTHERS

[@John-cj3ve]

Another content creator on KZbin tested the Forge against the HO in the16" chainsaw; and the HO had more power; but the Forge ran cooler and longer.

[@randysmith9636]

Thanks for another great video brother.

[@THEBEARDEDTOOLGUY]

Nice now if ONLY they could come out with a KIT SUPER FAST DUEL RAPID CHARGER with the 8 AMP FORGE BATTERY FOR ABOUT $379

[@Dexter_Solid]

can you test the 1" d-handle with the 12.0 forge vs normal 12.0?

[@Jayknowstools]

That one has a huge reset spring it probably benefits the most

[@ferminaguilar3227]

Is there a size difference between the Forge 12.0 and the older 12.0?

[@johninmontana5847]

I worked maintenance at a chemical plant and we primarily used Milwaukee's 3/4" Fuel Brushless high torque impact and a few of the high torque 1/2" that you used there. The difference between the high torque 1/2" and 3/4" is very noticeable in favor of the 3/4". I'm curious if you have the 3/4" to compare it with those new batteries...

[@Demorthus]

I hope TTC tests this; in theory it should be a noticeable increase as you stated (more spinning mass relates to greater ft/lbs of torque) as the output in amperage is increased

[@ndoc8889]

Purely anecdotal, but with the dual batt leaf blower, the difference in voltage sag between a pair of 12.0 HDs and 12.0 Forges is considerable from my experience. This is especially noticeable at the end of the battery’s lifecycle. There’s a slow sag with the HDs whereas the Forges will maintain power and RPM until they abruptly stop. Similar experience with my track saw.

[@brianboisvert248]

Are the foges 12.0 good to get if want to use blower, trimmer and lights a lot?

[@Demorthus]

Although it's a cool (no pun intended) animation they have to demonstrate the cooling; it genuinely wouldn't be a bad idea for people to get themselves a set of 120mm fans (they often go by 'home entertainment cooling' monikers etc.) and have them simply sit or stationed above the respective batteries. From hearing the sound by the mic, (imo) they aren't fast enough, they're providing a good amount of passive airflow but if they're being charged in an environment that's already warm; effectively having a larger set of cooling that'll help continue to exhaust the heat - is not a bad idea, more so atleast to prolong the lifespan if possible

[@2down4up]

Wait, why no comparison to the forge 6.0 and or a regular battery of comparable capacity?

[@metronyc2855]

Can you charge the Forge batteries using a regular charger ?

[@saiiiiiii1]

Yes it's still the same voltage and charging mode.

[@Shoptoolreviews]

Yes, you can charge them with a regular charger.

[@Anonymous..VQ3.5Lg35]

Yes i do not use rapid chargers as they tend to kill battery life faster than slow charging, same with my new iphonei just use low watt cable chargers no fast charging for me ever! Id rather buy more batteries!

[@hhyuga]

should have tested between the 6ah forge to the new ones

[@Dr650rob]

The best way to test would be using the chainsaw

[@404notfound.....]

This is Milwaukee's version of the rigid octane battery.

[@james2042]

Octane used software tricks that other brands didn't to allow the cells to run past their rated limits if conditions allowed. Tabless cells are objectively better batteries

[@randysmith9636]

The octane was never like this battery.

[@2down4up]

The super charger is so super that it CAN’T super charge both batteries at once! I’m sorry I know the batteries and the charger are really good if not awesome, but saying that your charger isn’t strong enough to charge both batteries at full power simultaneously, and then spinning that weakness as a ”feature” (power share or shift) or whatever they call it, is just insulting. Clearly they think that we’re not smart enough to see what they doing! Hey Milwaukee, you legitimately make great tools and batteries, just sell them on their great points don’t try to insult our intelligence by thinking that we don’t understand what you’re doing when you’re spinning a weakness into a “feature.” Also why was the new super charger only compared to the old rapid charger and not the old super charger hmm? Was it because its advertised performance was identical with that of the old one? What’s really frustrating about this one is even though the advertised performance for both super chargers was the same, the new one has proven to be faster then the old one even on older batteries! So why insult us with power share/shift and then under sell its charging rates? I know they’re both under TTI but it’s just like Ryobi sending all the reviewers a review/test kit (my words) which contain the same two tools and two batteries to test and compare against one another. Obviously one of the batteries is the new edge, and the other? A standard 4AH NON HP battery. Why? I’ve seen some tests that show the edge to be even better than the HP so why not include that? Frustrating! My apologies for the rant!

[@nateg6544]

Don't think them vents on the battery are a good idea. Dirt, grease or sawdust will plug them up.

[@madjackgamingandfitness498]

Air gun go brrr

[@paulf3067]

Seems like a kind of worthless test to me. The "high output" batteries blew the old dinosaur XC 5ah batteries away in every kind of test too. Only thing worth comparing to me is the high output vs forge batteries. The old XC batteries are so old and out of date, I don't think most people have bought them in years.

[@keysautorepair6038]

Battery’s straight off the charger always have more power than a battery that has not been charged in a few days facts if you’re gonna do a test, at least make it even.