Do You Need To See God To Believe? | Sam-TX | Talk Heathen 05.13

[@Ever_J13]

Man, he is so SO bigly mad that Eric & Thomas will not walk down his script

[@RaulPerez-jj5jj]

Yes. He planned it all out in head and got mad when it didnt play that way. He used dishonest tactics the whole time. Though he was headed for an aha moment and got pummeled.

[@puckerings]

"I just wanted to ask a dishonest, reductionist question and you insisted on trying to have an actual productive conversation!"

[@pollypockets508]

Dude couldn't even listen to Eric saying he was doing well. I wonder if all his conversations are like this.

[@shanewilson7994]

That's par for the course with people on scripts. They tend to dislike being forced off script and having to defend their statements.

[@DarioCastagno]

The caller is bonkers.

[@barborajureckova8172]

This was extremely painful. Not only have I lost brain cells, it thoroughly angered me and I am a very calm nice person.

[@PinkBlue_Spood]

Couldn’t agree more. The caller also forgets that there are blind people who believe in God, so seeing wouldn’t be a needed factor in believing. He’s also implying that people who are blind would be treated like Thomas was by him (the caller) as well, basically “doomed”.

[@badatheist9948]

I can just analyze the Bible and it’s history, puts in the same position as the Greek and Roman myths.

[@starfishsystems]

The caller gave himself away from the start as condescending and antagonistic, but it was necessary to call him out not for poor social skills but for the flawed reasoning that lies underneath. The show doesn't exist to stage a personality contest (mercifully) but to get viewers to think about what beliefs are warranted and why. And callers like this one illustrate what unwarranted belief looks like. The constant repetition of "seeing is believing" is a mark of dogmatic thinking. Repetition soothes the caller with the comforting sense of the familiar, which must be taken as true if you allow no other possibility to enter your thoughts. It's a form of brainwashing. And as such, it's a very sad basis for what must be a very sad, small, suspicious life. I'm impressed that Eric was able to turn this into a teachable moment, even a compassionate one. It would have been all to easy to put this guy down. But what purpose would that serve?

[@lloydtucker5647]

Speaking of lost brain cells, the longer I listened, the more I suspected the caller was drunk. After six minutes I couldn't watch any more.

[@edluckenbill8363]

This clown is cracking me up .

[@TheQuantumWave]

Every time he says "listen" is maddening for the sole reason that he himself refuses to listen.

[@Disgusted_Cat]

Sam was incredibly rude, kudos to Eric and Thomas for their patience and exposing the hypocrisy of Sam's lack of integrity

[@ricklandis]

Sam has a script he wants to follow, and he is Oh So Mad that they won't follow it.

[@trinsit]

This caller was a pure waste of time. Salute to you Eric. You are better than I am. I can deal with ignorance. I can deal with assholes. I'm an asshole myself. I can't deal with stupidity.

[@creativewriter3887]

He's a waste of a lot more than time.. lol

[@franciscosustek7249]

Smug ignorance is the worst...dumb as a rock and proud of it!

[@Altitudes]

Gotta love the bad preacher approach. "Oh, I was going to agree with you" means "I have a prepared spiel and you're blocking me by not agreeing to my deepity"

[@TakoIbarra]

You guys are too patient. Poor Thomas always gets the most annoying and condescending callers.

[@EustaBAracer]

I really feel like there should be a "Matt Meter" where it grows proportionally to the idiocy of the caller. Once it reaches "Matt-Level" the hosts get to go hog wild on the caller with pejoratives and insults.

[@barbiedahl]

'Does sam need to shut his piehole to hear Eric and Thomas speak?'

[@whitejosh444]

Agreed

[@Robeebert]

If I had God stand in front of me, I'd still need evidence to prove that the being before me is God by definition of whatever holy texts I am provided. Someone standing before me saying "I am God," won't do it for me.

[@Robeebert]

The aurora borealis is in my kitchen, but you can't see it.

[@empressoftheknownuniverse]

@Supernintendo Chalmers "What does god need with a starship?" 🤔

[@ookeekthelibrarian]

@Eastern fence Lizard Reptilian Elite Under Lords are proof of your claim. Long may they rule.

[@midgetrobinson]

That was the most frustrating call I’ve heard in a long time. They were much calmer than I could have been. I don’t handle being talked down to well. He had no interest in an honest conversation. “There’s no help for you”... wow.

[@trinsit]

The irony is strong with that one.

[@ross-carlson]

Never have I heard someone who had less interest in listening and having a dialogue. All he wants to do is talk talk talk, he doesn't care at all about what they actually have to say, he only wants to stay on some script of nonsense.

[@joulian]

@@ross-carlson The caller had a point, though. We don't wait to see the whole evidence to make up your mind about something. And very simple people make the case that seeing is believing, therefore asking for more would be too much in their minds. (That is, however, how magicians, politicians and con men do their business. Also sensacionalist news sources)

[@jaege]

The guy was asking if atheists need to see to believe. Its not a hard question. Myself, as an atheist, could be convinced of things without seeing them. I have never seen a million dollars, but I do believe that such a thing exists. I cant think of what sort of evidence would convince me, but I am sure that, did an actual god exist, sufficient evidence could be acquired. Of course, the caller is a gullible shmuck, but that is another story.

[@ThalassicMeasure]

The calmness is the problem with this call. Caller's much louder and hosts are passive. They should have muted him and discussed with the audience. If he refuses conversation, hang up. The problem with the calm style is exactly this. The caller dominates and directs the conversation here.

[@richardbradley1532]

He keeps swapping his question because he is looking for a specific preordained answer

[@MrFungus420]

Nope... It's because Eric NEVER answered his first question. The first question was if atheists need to see to believe. The answer was "No". That is not, in any way, what Eric gave as a response. All that he did was dismiss it as reductionist.

[@Izzmonster]

@@MrFungus420 They did answer No, and tgat wasn't enough for him.

[@MrFungus420]

@@Izzmonster No, they didn't. Saying that it is reductionist is not answering...it is not saying "no". All that it is doing is saying that you don't like the question. How it should have gone: "As atheists, you have to see to believe, right?" "No. We need evidence for the proposition, it is not necessary to see the thing being proposed." You know...a clear, straightforward answer to a clear, straightforward question...exactly like how the hosts expect callers to answer their questions. Eric fucked up this one.

[@puckerings]

@@MrFungus420 Incorrect. He was attempting to explain WHY it was a dishonest, reductionist question, but the caller wasn't interested in letting him provide that answer.

[@Izzmonster]

@@MrFungus420 They literally said seeing god wouldn't convince them. It didn't fit with his script so the conversation went nowhere.

[@MrKit9]

People like Sam need help badly.

[@FelixDegenaar]

He does need help, he just wouldn't know what to do with it.

[@mightymoose1158]

People like Sam feel they are the ones to bring help.

[@franciscosustek7249]

Urgently needs a shrink?

[@Danteneon]

I have to give much props to Thomas on this call. I could feel the path you were following, but Sam made it damn hard (heh) to get a good dialogue going. You made it further than I thought you might, well done 👍

[@blueboi5140]

I'd love to try some of my magic tricks out on this guy cause he's gonna have to believe I'm actually magic.

[@ross-carlson]

What a fantastic point they should have made - so if you see me cut someone in half do you believe I actually cut them in half???

[@benf6822]

Yer a wizard tooter!

[@TheSnoeedog]

what if he just concludes that you're God?

[@BWGmedia]

@@TheSnoeedogtime to start tithing

[@rammsteinrulz16]

Sam has never seen an optical illusion in his life

[@TheQuantumWave]

That he knows of.

[@Call-me-Jester]

He has if his claim is that he has seen God.

[@williamwoolhouse5018]

This is why Matt hangs up on people. He can see it's going to go down this road, and simply doesn't allow it.

[@Imstillfly5838532]

Eric is a G for not blowing up on Sam

[@C_A_I_N_N]

Dude in the first 10 seconds of Sam talking and not just talking but interrupting them and being so blatantly fucking insulting and not even giving them a second to actually explain what they were saying with how when they searched friend answer his question after the said give us one concise question and then let us answer it instantly interrupted upon the first fucking word

[@C_A_I_N_N]

Honestly I wish I could make teeth meet a curb because he is an obnoxious arrogant asshole who refuses to even give other people to fucking chance to speak so maybe they'll get him to shut up for a second

[@C_A_I_N_N]

Like I'm at 7 minutes and I'm already boiling to the point that I don't want to keep watching if they can't get him to shut up for more than five seconds and if they refuse to actually hang up on him

[@MacLaw3084]

Eric was being a pushover

[@C_A_I_N_N]

@@MacLaw3084 more like patient and I would assume probably wanting to show the sort of bullshit they have to deal with

[@marqpsmythe228]

Thomas and Eric; your generosity with your attention and patience is saintly in the best Heathenish sort of way.

[@redcowcat8705]

They're the real angels in disguise

[@krisaaron5771]

Sam wants a specific answer from the hosts that he can then tear apart to prove they're wrong about atheism. When they demand he ask a very specific question he becomes defensive. Sam can't define the god he believes in because he's never thought about the details and can't provide hard absolutes about that god. The "see to believe" comment is ridiculous. We "believe" in germ theory but can't see those tiny germs. We "believe" in gravity but can't "see" the physical attraction between objects. Sam's attitude is one of the things that drove me away from god beliefs. That gritted-teeth, smarmy voice ("I'm trying to be patient with you!") is typical of believers when they become frustrated by someone demanding specific definitions and refusing to cooperate with their script.

[@jwgerlach]

Whiniest caller ever. It was like listening to my upset 3 year old.

[@j3pelfrey]

That is an offense to all 3 year old children.

[@TheSnoeedog]

your 3 year old is almost certainly more intelligent, more well-adjusted and more capable of having a grown-up conversation.....even while high on sugar and coffee, in a toy store, on christmas morning, with the honest-to-god-real santa claus handing out gifts...in that state, your 3 year old is almost certainly more intelligent, more......blahblahblah

[@TheSnoeedog]

@@j3pelfrey offended or not, it's not as if they matter....I mean...we're talking about halflings here...they're not real people...not yet anyway....more like overdue abortions. SHIT! what do I call them now, now that Roe v. Wade and the notion that women are people, have become anachronisms? Wood-chipper feed? Help me find some neutral language here.... lol

[@Jason-rb1tl]

I always want you or Matt or whoever's doing the talking to ask in response to "if god was standing in front of you would you believe," how they would know its god and not the devil trying to deceive them.

[@ross-carlson]

Ooooh, that's a GREAT point. But also how would they know WHICH "god" it is?

[@LateNightKaiju]

This is where Sam was going wrong every time. His question always assumed the manifestation _would_ be God - his God to be exact. Not Satan, or aliens, or a delusion, or a prank. And Sam didn't want to address the possibility that this manifestation might not be his God, as being witness is core to his beliefs.

[@jollyandwaylo]

It's worse, Sam believes there is a god even though he has never seen one with his own eyes. It is bad enough that he would just automatically believe it was god but to believe there is one because other people have told you there is, is completely bonkers.

[@2014saints]

When the "HALLELUJAH" came on, the caller started laughing. Because deep down he knows god never actually appears in front of anyone ever

[@bogoney]

That’s just your opinion. You made a claim that you can’t back up. I wrote China on tweeter in the first part of 2019 . I told them if they did business with Alaska over the LNG pipeline I would give them a plague. You can say what ever but the fact is . You have to deal with it .

[@2014saints]

@@bogoney The only thing I'm claiming is that the caller is aware of the ridiculousness in the notion of god appearing on a live atheist show. I agree that's it's a ridiculous proposition based on the fact that every claim about god interacting with people has fallen short of providing justification.

[@bogoney]

@@2014saints so what do you mean by justification . Justify that he was here or justify why he was here . Or Justify he’s even real

[@2014saints]

@@bogoney By "justify" I mean provide evidence that the best explanation for an event is god manipulating or manifesting in reality. The demonstration of god's interactions would itself be evidence of his existence.

[@bogoney]

@@2014saints I agree with your statement. With not going down the rabbit hole. Meaning , Your reality is not my reality . That sort of thing . Then I would ask. What type of interaction . Some Supernatural event or something less . Or could it be someone going around and saying this will happen then when they do it on many things . So let me give you example . So if I said China would firer a missile off the Oregon coast and there would be a guidance system failure. Or if I said this back in 2014 that North Korea would fire three ICBMs in 2017 two would work and one would fail . Then you could say. I had prior knowledge . Then I could say we’re did I get that knowledge . My point being what’s not subjective.

[@grantwing4942]

I couldn't comprehend trying to have a conversation with a person like this in real life. If they are that aggressive and loud to your face I would quickly walk away.

[@TheSnoeedog]

why walk away when they've presented such an obviously (justified) perfect opportunity to set them on fire, with a clean conscience (he brought it on himself...look at how short his skirt is...and those "fuck-me" pumps?!?!...he was beggin' for it!)

[@lucy9698]

"What will make you believe that the things in the bible are true?" "Well, there _are_ some things in the bible that are accurate, like places and some people--" "nOoOo WhY dOnT yOu BeLiEvE iN gOd?! i WaNt tO tAlK aBoUt gOd!!1!1!!" Lol this one's already a lost cause....

[@TravisW888]

There were a couple of these “wait you are going off my script” moments early on that we’re eye rolling and painful.

[@Eyrie007]

Sam deserved no respect here. He wasn't interested in a conversation, he just wanted to preach. So much condescension.

[@hardknoc]

i gotta watch the rest later. u guys had so much patience 😤

[@LB-yg2br]

May I attain in life even HALF as much chill as these hosts. Holy dog poop the chill these hosts demonstrated on this call. Wow.

[@aaronk463]

It was like watching a train wreck in slow motion. I’d like to think I could stay calm enough purely out of curiosity, but idk...that dude was mad rude.

[@jaymeanderson5121]

I know right! I'm the mother of 5 grown sons and if I caught anyone of them talking to ANYONE like this, I would shame them and ground them!

[@humanitech]

It's kind of sad the people like Sam are so desperate, irrational, deluded and indoctrinated that he can't even listen or accept what other people think or say...I think he needs more help than he knows.

[@carolmosh4977]

"irrational, deluded and indoctrinated ..." That sounds like Atheists when confronted with the "incontrovertible" scientific evidence for the existence of God.

[@humanitech]

@@carolmosh4977 I would be happy, pleased and delighted if one single religious person... from any one of the thousands of human made doctrines could bring the scientific evidence that could conclusively prove the existence of any supernatural entity or force. So please bring it ...as I am very curious to see what you have for yours beyond blind faith and belief in very abstract books written by very confused and deluded humans who wanted life to be ordered from above..so invented books to then indoctrinate, subjugate, control and judge other humans through both artificial love and through fear of damnation...which by the way is also typically human!

[@carolmosh4977]

@@humanitech See, you have already failed at rational thought and demonstrated how, "irrational, deluded and indoctrinated"...you are. I never stated I had anything that was "scientific evidence that could conclusively prove, ...." anything at all.

[@humanitech]

@@carolmosh4977 Ok fair enough I thought your response was based on something real and not a personal generalisation. but as you have nothing to add or discuss. I would still just like you to explain your point and comment when you stated "That sounds like atheists when confronted with the incontrovertible scientific evidence for the existence of God!? Granted I wrongly assumed you knew of some interesting new scientific evidence....but now realise there is still nothing out there. And therefore your comment makes no sense? But does ironically show that you have little to no real understanding of atheism or many atheists, But hey that's fine and quite common. but I am always open for a good open discussion.... especially if and when new scientific evidence appears. I am not sure what you personally think or believe, and won't assume, but all the best whatever

[@carolmosh4977]

​@@humanitech Okay, now I am going to make an example out you. The following testable scientific facts demonstrate “incontrovertible” scientific evidence for the existence of God, where God is operationally defined as a "Higher Power" above and beyond all time and space or the Universe. 1. Man can't create a Neutrino from nothing or zero energy. This fact is demonstrated by the following equation: UT=Ui+W+QUT=Ui+W+Q which represents the maximum internal energy (UT) that could exist in any system required to create Neutrinos. 2. Neutrinos do not create themselves from nothing or zero energy. This fact is demonstrated by the following equation: ΔU=W+Q which represents the change (ΔU) in internal energy of the Neutrino and proves it does not have the power to create itself from nothing or zero energy. 3. Neutrinos are not eternal and will decay. In fact “Neutrinos are born in various decays, which is when a particle changes from one type into another." Neutrino Decay as an Explanation of Atmospheric Neutrino Observations V. Barger, J. G. Learned, S. Pakvasa, and T. J. Weiler Phys. Rev. Lett. 82, 2640 (1999) - Published 29 March 1999 This fact is demonstrated mathematically by various equations including but not limited to : (ν ̄e + p → e+ + n ) which proves at least one type of inverse beta decay. (Bethe and Peierls, 1934) and experimentally (Reines 1976). And (μ → e + ¯νe + νμ) which proves Muon-Neutrino decay. And by the fact that Neutrinos will reach a maximum state of Entropy like everything else in the universe, and experience a heat-death. 4. The lowest power detectable Neutrino particle required a "Higher Power" above and beyond the universe to be created. This fact is demonstrated in two parts. First, by the detection and measurement of the Lowest EPP (energies-per-particle) which is represented mathematically on a scale of ~100-200 meV. where ~1.95 K = CNB. The power level measurements are based on the cosmic microwave background temperature power spectrum. Second, by conservation laws which demonstrates the universe has the same amount of energy unless it’s added from the outside. Thus proving the final fact that the Lowest EPP Neutrino at the earliest beginning of the universe required a “Higher Power” above and beyond (outside the universe) to be created. Summary: The preceding testable scientific facts demonstrate “incontrovertible” scientific evidence for the existence of God, where God is operationally defined as a "Higher Power" above and beyond all time and space or the Universe. Therefore, while not a hypothesis or theories, the rules of the scientific method require the evidence to be falsified by citing or conducting repeatable, objective scientific test(s)/experiment(s) that falsify the data presented. Until such “falsification” the “incontrovertible” scientific evidence invalidates the Atheist belief/position there is no evidence for the existence of God.

[@UnintelligentDesigner]

"You're afraid to agree to anything I've got to tell you." No, we don't allow bullies to insist on their mythology. Big difference.

[@Quinn37]

Sam is an excellent listener, and clear communicator.

[@biteyalmighty7874]

Some people say that Sam is still seeing and believing things to this day. This dude would probably eat a picture of a cheeseburger.

[@erict7093]

This was a great lesson that Thomas and Eric taught us! Tracie from Atheist Experience said, (I'm paraphrasing) "ignore the ad hominems and red herrings and STICK to the topic and the facts will either destroy their plan or cause them to rethink for a better purpose". She did that consistently and it was demonstrated here! Gone ahead Thomas and Eric! Great job!

[@amadddd0]

Dude I LOVE Eric and Holy Kool aid collabs 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@complexeddrummer]

This one hurt my brain.... Eric, Thomas, you have insane patience, I commend the both of you

[@OccultThinkTankOFFICIAL]

Sam is more interested in trying to talk over people than anything.

[@PaxilRose]

Best caller ever! He believes in the mission.

[@ericwilliams1659]

I believe radiation is real but I can not "see it"

[@tonydarcy1606]

But you can "feel" infra red ! ( Heat ).

[@rimbusjift7575]

Easily detectable.

[@jonjacobjingleheimerschmid3798]

You can "see" many of its effects.. Here's one! Try staring into the sun!

[@c.guydubois8270]

@@jonjacobjingleheimerschmid3798 during an eclipse..

[@lnsflare1]

Is he physically capable of letting the hosts finish a sentence?

[@mrpandabites]

What an infuriating call. You guys have the calm of the Buddha.

[@Mia-ep4zu]

Thank you for not letting him preach! You are great!

[@bposs98]

This question comes up all the time on here and AXP - "what would it take to believe in a god?" And I think many religious callers find the answer "I don't know" to be frustrating. I'd need a lot to be convinced. Not just seeing a god in front of me. First I'd need to find out if I'm just seeing things, like Thomas said, maybe I ate some bad chicken last night, maybe I'm high, maybe I'm sleep deprived. If I determined that this figure in front of me is real, then I'd need to see that god do something miraculous, like heal an amputee, raise the dead, grow a tree out of thin air, make people disappear and then reappear, maybe create another adult human male out of the ground, etc. Just seeing a god in front of me wouldn't do anything.

[@ross-carlson]

Very well put - I've seen some crazy shit, go to a magic show for example. If he sees someone cut a woman in half does he believe it? It's right there in front of his eyes!

[@c.guydubois8270]

Hell I'd settle for a "mountain moved or a mulberry tree cast or amputees healed or 2 or 3 gathered ...will be done" stuff.

[@bposs98]

@@c.guydubois8270 Yeah! Let's see some biblical stuff! Moving a mountain would definitely convince me!

[@jns8393]

Exactly.

[@jns8393]

@@ross-carlson By his reasoning, yes!

[@ZeroSum23]

I always love it when people act like we don't believe in God because we can't see it. Though I was expecting one of those "you can't see the wind" arguments and was shocked to hear something significantly dumber.

[@Altitudes]

It was either going to be that or "I see God everywhere, just look at the trees!". Guaranteed.

[@ryanyoung2421]

Why is Sam filled with so much aggression and hatred? I'm finding it difficult to assume what he must have went through to mold him into the person in front of me right now.

[@curious1053]

He’s raging at atheists because they brought up good points and have made him question his beliefs. He’s having an internal crisis.

[@chilltheheckoutwithava1454]

He went through fundamentalist Christianity.

[@mattg5802]

Since the dude believes everything he sees, I’d love to meet him and do a magic trick where he gives me a £20 and I turn it to £1 before his eyes...I think I could make some serious money

[@smochygrice465]

"Do You Need To See God To Believe" That would be a start, and much better than theists that just book quote.

[@pollypockets508]

The annoying part is that he said "You need to see God to believe." Instead of asking questions. He's a douchebag. And he wasn't listening at all.

[@Fimbulvinter19]

Just a minute in and it feels like he wants to preach, not have a conversation. Won't let Eric or Thomas answer the question he asked and just talking over them.

[@thealmightyone6461]

He had a script in mind. That was a loaded question that no matter what they answered, he could respond to in the manner of his script.

[@beanbrewer]

$20 says Sam is a DD Stan

[@helenjohnson6385]

Wow - Sam is unbelievably condescending.

[@jamball]

Sounds like Sam maybe had his brain froze during that harsh Texas winter.

[@freddan6fly]

"Sam maybe had his brain froze" - If he had one in the first place.

[@rehac001]

@@freddan6fly If is a big assumption, more like brain not included on the packaging of Sam.

[@imawakenow9237]

Good one

[@jimjloehr]

This clown is all over the place and isn't listening because he is protecting his tiny little ideas.

[@MacLaw3084]

he’s a troll, Jim.

[@mobydickswife9512]

Well, he has only the one idea so it is precious to him.

[@Robert44444444]

The volume levels were all wrong, with the caller being much louder than Eric or Thomas. This caller absolutely needed to be "handled" in the way Matt D. would have. He was permitted to behave badly in the beginning of the call and that set the tone. You absolutely have to FORCE these "script-pushers" to answer your questions when asked, not allow them to just use the time to keep pressing on with their agenda… if they don't comply, you drop the call. Many of these callers will only treat you as well as you demand of them.

[@marasmusine]

I would have asked what exactly would I be seeing if the biblical god appeared in the studio, followed by asking how I would know it was the biblical god.

[@briannyob7799]

Thomas is truly a "doubting Thomas". Thank you ladies and gentlemen...I'll let myself out.

[@MagetaTheLionHeart]

I'd bet money that Sam will claim that he wasn't allowed to make his point.

[@cy-one]

Sorry, not gonna go against that.

[@grandvianna8551]

He’s like a really REALLY shitty version of darth Dawkins

[@roaringodin9292]

@@grandvianna8551 That's saying something since Darth is the absolute personification of feces...

[@barbiedahl]

@@roaringodin9292 hey! What did shit ever do to be compared to Darth Dawkins? I mean, aside from getting stuck on someone's shoe, resulting in a feeling which is akin to that which one gets when ACTUALLY LISTENING to Darth Dawkins. But, nevertheless! One should be more polite to turds as they deserve much MUCH better than that. ;-)

[@yarnpower]

Sam is so rude, he is obviously not following Jesus’ example. He has so much anger!

[@DJ-73]

@Supernintendo Chalmers don't forget the temple where he flipped tables because they were gambling

[@c.guydubois8270]

@Supernintendo Chalmers Romans didn't take much crap from the newly conquered territories, insurrectionist were exicuted when/if captured.

[@adamfog5476]

Love you guys!!!! Keep it up!

[@RustyShackleford-bc9ce]

How can anyone argue with Eric's silky smooth voice??

[@ED-le1pr]

I could just imagine Matt within seconds of this call “what do you mean seeing is believing, you don’t see air and yet you believe it right? Youre already engaged into some sloppiness there and you need to clarify that” That would have disarmed the caller keeping him from bringing up that statement over and over again. The call would have been easier to handle

[@chriskelly3481]

Wow. I wonder how effective Sam imagines his condescension, aggression and gish galloping is at attracting converts? 🤣 Keep it up tiger! It is a little amusing but mostly deeply sad to see how far down the rabbit hole Sam is that he gets so easily, wildly flummoxed and frustrated when someone points out that the tools he is using to determine reality aren't just woeful, they barely rank as methods at all.

[@blingaling1]

This man is what I hear when any theist calls in trying to defend their arguments.

[@Bobalicious]

Sam is too much the fanatic to engage in conversation.

[@mobydickswife9512]

Too much of control freak. He is a bully who has found what he thinks is a socially acceptable way to bully, cow, and threaten people.

[@richardbradley1532]

He's a complete troll

[@MacLaw3084]

Obvious troll. this is proof that us atheists aren’t always so bright lol. scroll through the comments and everyone (including) the hosts are taking this guy seriously.

[@kenbee1957]

You misspelled "tool"

[@richardbradley1532]

@@kenbee1957 😂🤣

[@richardbradley1532]

@@MacLaw3084 I think they were giving him the benefit of the doubt(ing Thomas) but had strong suspicions

[@MacLaw3084]

@@richardbradley1532 yea they mos definitely were lol. he should’ve been hung up on because he was playing them for fools and being super disrespectful; waste of time.

[@danmac6295]

I've been watching Athiest Experience for a few years now.. Discovered Talk Heathen last year. Am I the only one who finds myself leaning to Talk Heathen more and more? Not that you need to choose ofcourse, but AxP seems to just be a montage of Matt hanging up on people in 3 minutes flat. As much as these conversations can be extremely frustrating, Eric and Co always do their best to have a conversation that can be learnt from. That for me is how change comes.. Slowly through patience and persistence.

[@romankvapil9184]

Matt hangs up on crazy and miserable jack ass callers a lot faster because he has no interest in wasting his and the audience’s time. People like Sam here, have no interested in having a productive conversation and essentially just disparage the hosts and preach. Matt has enough experience to know that and would immediately block and ban people like Sam without hesitation. It’s their show, they can do what they want. If they do not want to treat the hosts with any respect and come in with sneaky tactics and then insult/threaten them, then by no means are the hosts obligated to waste their time with that. It is a privilege, not a right that the callers come to this show. They are not entitled to a platform. It’s like a house guest coming to sell their shitty spiel of a script to sell their shoddy product, taking a shit on the carpet and insulting the owners while simultaneously acting like a victim for getting called out on. Any rational host’s response to that is an immediate booting of that trespasser and never welcomed to come back again.

[@jamtaco2667]

Sam: "I need to see to believe" Everyone else: "Good thing you're not blind" Also: "Does that mean blind people have no reason to believe in a god because they can't see anything?"

[@torparnorpan8362]

Sam needs to go back and listen to his own stupidity...😳🙄

[@Eyrie007]

He wouldn't recognize it.

[@jaymeanderson5121]

He won't. His ego won't let him.

[@oldmanaz.6811]

Is Jamie ok? I know he acted oddly and didn't return, I hope he is ok and doing well. I kinda forgot about that thing and just was reminded. Seemed to be a bit of a mental break, don't know if the episode is still up but he got pretty out there that day. Anyway if anyone knows let me know if he is alright. Thanks.

[@fundirams3240]

Hi! Do you have an update ?

[@xanthipussofsparta6555]

For an adult this guy has some difficulty engaging in a conversation.

[@ziyaadi]

Eric and Thomas were really patient with this troll.

[@Kilotip1]

If everyone was as dishonest as Sam, I’d be happy to check out of life. Wtf...?

[@anvb5a1]

Ofc, Thomas needs to see to believe, ... it's Thomas!!!

[@Alby-sky]

These two have way more patience than I have. This guy actually got under my skin lol

[@MG-ot2yr]

A better question is why does god need to hide? What's the point of demanding blind faith? Oh that's right....its the only way to explain something that remains invisible, does nothing and simply doesn't exist.

[@Baes_Theorem]

I am watching this on acid and can say with decent confidence that this guy is probably on something too.

[@krumble104]

Eric, a wine that gets better every year 🤠💪

[@davejann]

And Sam, a whine that gets worse.

[@bobwilkinson2008]

Hardly. He's the worst presenter on the channel. He doesn't listen but instead follows his own agenda.

[@wynlewis5357]

What a highly emotional and misplaced person this caller was. You cannot always percieve truth or reality by what you see. About 3 years ago, I was taking a busride in the mountains in the U.K. As the bus approached a long lake, I saw half a dozen cows at the far end of the lake [about 500 yards away] that were grazing onland but one of the cows was about 20 yards into the lake. From my position on the bus, it truly appeared this one cow was standing on the water ! I was shocked into disbelief at what I was seeing and at that moment had no explanation at all. As the bus drew closer to that end of the lake, it became very clear that part of the lake was very shallow indeed, possibly a depth of a few inches. I was not hallucinating after all but all became clear when I was able to make sense of the reality of this illusion which I will never forget. I think Sam really needs to slow down his continuous impetuousness and listen a bit more to other people without interrupting them every few seconds.

[@payton7000]

2:20 Oh here we go

[@hikki1234]

My head hurts, it's like Sam's ears are completely broken. They suffered talking to Sam for like 30 mins.

[@andrewhandelsman834]

Holy fk I'm not even 5 minutes in and I'm ripping my hair out

[@williamjohn2910]

Remind me never to visit Texas.

[@ladyaj7784]

What gets me is the fact that Sam thinks he *was* doing charitable listening by "being prepared to agree" with them... as long as they said what he expected. That's not what that means, my friend...

[@231rosslyn]

You need to see god in order to believe in him. This, according to Sam, is a question. Beats me.

[@larrycarter3765]

Yes you need that.

[@debraperry6091]

Classic gaslighter. This guy is deliberate and well practiced.

[@BrianGay57]

This guy really loves to hear himself talk. He kept repeating himself over and over and over!

[@clarissar1418]

Wish Matt would have been here to take this call...

[@لالهوةإلالهوتي]

when the caller starts talking over the host the host audio suffers more than the caller and it sounds like the host is not in control of the situation. Could this be fixed please?

[@Fluffykeith]

Caller asserts that he believes in God. Caller asserts that he has to see to believe. Therefore, Caller has seen God, according to him. And they never called him on this point...

[@savantus1]

It always end up badly for the caller when they claim to know and then insists on telling the show what they believe.

[@sfrye6769]

Every time I hear a caller like Sam I get a little PTSD response from my ex-husband who has narcissistic PD(and totally acted like Sam. I was listening to this while cleaning the kitchen & it had me yelling “STFU, Sam!” several times. 🤣🤣🤣 I can only imagine he’s this way in all aspects of his life, work, relationships, dining at restaurants, grocery shopping. Just UGH!

[@josepholaguez6586]

He has to be on the top ten stupidest callers!!

[@kenbee1957]

Top 5 easily

[@almightyshippo1197]

I think the issue from the start of the call is that Sam wanted to talk about needing to see a god to believe in a god, but he immediately followed with 'is the bible true' and proving a god, and Eric only picked up on the 'proving the bible' part. Sam was trying to take it back to what he originally wanted to talk about (although he went the wrong way about it, and accused them of this and that), but there was a miscommunication from the start.

[@almightyshippo1197]

@@soookool2304 Yeah. I don't really blame either side in this, but they were talking past each other constantly throughout the call, and I don't think anyone really got anything out of the call. Thomas was doing alright at trying to bring it back at times, but I think Eric didn't find the right way to talk to Sam. Sam was talking in the first person, what he can witness, and Eric was talking about witnesses in general. I hope Eric rewatches this and can see where it went wrong, maybe how to address this type of question better in the future.

[@oli073]

I lol'd when he said doubting Thomas!

[@terilw]

I’m honestly surprised it took so long for Eric to end the call.

[@bobwilkinson2008]

Well he wasted the first 5 minutes

[@johnd.shultz7423]

Caller states"Im Not talking about religion or the bible" he then goes on immedietely using the bible and the x-tian religion to support his views,this guy has no recall of what hes saying,its like dealing with an automated call system but less rewarding...

[@eklektikTubb]

I think i understand him, because i also trust my own senses more than i trust other people s words. But i am not an extremist and i dont like to heckle unless it is really necessary.

[@lauriesoper4056]

Excuse me while I break a few windows with my fist and bang my head against some bricks.

[@kentsetsma]

Sam reminds me of the “Linda listen” kid

[@harrycooper5231]

"Seeing is believing" Dang, Sam must think a lot of people, sometimes known as "magicians", have the ability to make cards pop in and out of existence from thin air.