Do you Really Need a SawStop? | Woodworking Tool Review

I recently introduced a SawStop Professional Table Saw to my woodshop and this is my woodworking tool review where I answer some big questions you may have about the SawStop table saw: do you really need a SawStop? and is it worth the high price? I also do a full tool review after 7 months of use. This is not a sponsored review.
0:00 Intro
1:23 How a SawStop really works
3:27 My tablesaw setup
4:09 SawStop Assembly
5:10 7 month review
5:31 Do you REALLY need a SawStop?
6:49 Would I recommend a SawStop?
7:38 Is it worth the high cost?
Tools used in my shop:
SawStop 3hp Tablesaw with 36" table: amzn.to/2It02AO
Ridgid Spindle Sander: homedepot.sjv.io/vd1Ej
Ridgid Router 2.5hp homedepot.sjv.io/MeoRo
Husky 30gal Air Compressor: homedepot.sjv.io/mdro1
Dewalt 13in Thickness Planer: homedepot.sjv.io/LkoRY
Worksharp 3000: amzn.to/2UM88qs
Dewalt 12" Sliding Compound Miter Saw: amzn.to/2UWVRiR
Jet Jointer JJ-6CSX: amzn.to/2UwVywd
Jet Mortiser: amzn.to/2QXtFLA
Dewalt 20V Drill Driver Combo: amzn.to/2JBEwXy
Dewalt Random Orbital Sander: amzn.to/2R5qP7t
Hegner Multi Max 18 Scroll Saw: amzn.to/34hF5iV
Portable Belt Sander: homedepot.sjv.io/XBEK3
2hp Dust Collector: amzn.to/2VbkKHV
Workshop Vac: amzn.to/3bF7ul6
Polyurethane mallet: amzn.to/3bVgl2z
Ridgid 12V Drill Driver Combo: homedepot.sjv.io/7gKK5
Hudson Shop Apron: amzn.to/2R5oSIb
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My name is Jared. I am an engineer by day and a woodworker by night... usually after the kids are in bed and before the neighbors call the cops!
This channel is about all things woodworking. I do project build videos, how-to videos, shop setup and shop layout videos, tip & tricks, and tool reviews of the stuff I'm using. I will also show you how I organize and work in my small shop in 1 bay of my garage. If you want to improve your woodworking and get inspired with some creative projects and innovative designs, come join me as a fellow evening woodworker and let's go make some sawdust!
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[@petelevoguer5638]

I’m a carpenter in the film industry and the crew I’ve been working with have 2 of these saws side by side with a huge outfeed table. These saws get used and abused A LOT on an average day and when we’re super busy they barely get switched off during the day! I’ve tripped a blade by forgetting to bypass the safety when cutting aluminum sheets and I’ve seen others pop the brake too. It took me a few seconds to even realize what had happened and that the blade had disappeared instantaneously. These are fantastic saws and have stood up well to the daily abuse they receive, and they’re still dead accurate!

[@EveningWoodworker]

Good to know... even with abuse they still last!

[@rosskowalski909]

I use a saw stop cabinet makers saw in a high school and echo the comments above, yes it will take use and abuse. I too have set it off with aluminum. The previous saw I used was a three phase 3hp Powermatic with a cast iron table extension for larger work. It was perfectly tuned and a absolute pleasure to use. Being a high school you would be insane to purchase anything else but a saw stop so I purchased the saw stop saw. I was initially concerned that I would be disappointed in the saw stop coming from one of the best saws in the history of woodworking. I was thinking it would be an OK saw + does the stopping trick. I was wrong, the saw stop saw is a great saw. Accurate, easy to service, easy to operate, durable. The only thing that ever went wrong with the saw is the lift mechanism for moving the saw around had a pin fail after many thousands of ups and downs ( we move it out into the shop space and return it to the side many times each day) I can only speak from my experience of course, but the saw and company has been absolutely great.

[@philshock3805]

Two years ago, I was perfectly happy with my 4 yr old Rigid 4512 table saw when I bought the Sawstop (exact same model/base). It had some quirks for sure, but they were easy to work around and I didn't feel limited in the least - it was accurate and dependable. I purchased the SS purely for the safety aspect. I justified it in my head with the fact that the price of admission was a LOT, LOT less than a trip to the ER with an amputated or severed finger. Nothing in my shop, including an 8 in jointer could alter my life so quickly and so severely than the table saw from a momentary lack of judgement (in all fairness, I suppose the miter saw is equally dangerous, but you'd have to REALLY not pay attention). Ah, who am I kidding... I just wanted that spiffy, spiral bound manual!

[@EveningWoodworker]

Yes exactly! It's one of the few that actually helps you and is worth looking at!

[@ImmanuelWoodworking]

This is SUCH a good, well put together video! Along with your other videos. Seriously, as someone getting into wood working, you’ve been so helpful!

[@EveningWoodworker]

I'm glad it helped! I'm working on a video about beginning woodworking tools that should help too... stay tuned!

[@nofacemtb9481]

I too paid for the card stock......best purchase I ever made!!!!

[@robertlagrange6388]

I purchased the same saw a few years back for my small shop and I love it. I also added an April Wilkerson inspired fold down extension table to it.

[@EveningWoodworker]

It's a great saw and can work well in a small shop!

[@chrishuddle1]

I just wanted to say, you popped up on my “recommended” list. So congrats! Also, thanks for the video. I have been contemplating a saw stop so I appreciate the input! :)

[@EveningWoodworker]

Awesome! I'm glad the YT algorithm worked! Thanks for checking it out.

[@johnoquinn6740]

Excellent review ! Thanks for the honest, common sense assessment of your SS saw.

[@hishambuildit3071]

Best review, helps a lot Thank you.

[@toddschlesinger1737]

I totally agree! I am a new(er) hobbyist woodworker and started with a jobsite metabo saw that was loud and scared me. I gained a lot of respect for that saw. I have since ordered a sawstop that is due in any day for me to pick up and super excited. My day/paying job is an office job, so the extra safety in the saw stop was a no brainer and wife approved. Thanks for the video!

[@EveningWoodworker]

Great choice! I also have a desk job and I like my fingers too!

[@rvninnorthcarolina3377]

I have been wood working on and off for a very very long time. The saw I started with was a new 1970's Craftsman 10" Direct drive... which about as unsafe a saw that you ever wanted to use. It had a splitter and a blade guard but it got in the way so much it was generally removed...and that wonderful fence system, if you were not careful would bind up your work piece and kick back like a mule. You know what, it was what I had and I did decent work with it. I respected it and practiced cuts and took the time to make sure I was set up and proceeding safely. I also weld, work on race cars, and do other hands on hobbies and they all have dangerous aspects if you are not being careful ALL the time. Accidents happen. I was working in a metal shop and I watched a guy working on a drill press....he bumped his hat and it fell off and his long hair fell out, wrapped around the chuck and slammed his face into the head of the drill before it pulled his hair out. It was the 70's and workers with long hair were supposed to pony tail and stuff under their work shirts....that was why. As far as what saw to get...get the one that you can afford to get started with. Tamar at 3x3 Woodworking (check her channel) does awesome work with a Dewalt DW745 10-Inch Compact Job-Site Table Saw....she uses push sticks, riving knives and lots of different jigs and does great work. Too many times we get sucked into, "getting the best" and for some that means not starting at all. I started the hobby back up a few years ago and I bought that same DeWalt saw for $75.00 from a neighbor and ttin and standard kerf riving knives from Shark Guard and used it for a year before a bought an very nice used Delta UniSaw 36-820 with a 52" Unifence system. I bought new knives and guard from Shark Guard and I have been super happy. I still have the DeWalt and I use it for sight work....I too have many different jigs and multiple Grippers and push sticks because I too like my digits right where they are. So you can be safe without spending $4K to do it. You just have to be careful ALL the time.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Exactly! My saw before this was an old craftsman with an aftermarket fence and it worked great for a long time... still does actually!

[@MrTurretless]

It's been more than 5 years since I bought exactly the same model. Added a cast iron router table extension when Sawstop hadn't been making them yet (Bench dog). Can't live without the saw. It chews through anything you can throw on it. And yes, it's a scary piece of machinery, as any table saw is. Safety feature or no safety feature - doesn't matter. The point in the video is well made.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Thanks and yes it's scary and powerful. Gotta respect the tools!

[@robdrownyt]

Exactly SAME opinion of the SS as me. I have the same saw. ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE SAWSTOP. On a unisaw, I cut off two fingers. Blood everywhere. I nearly passed out. Ambulance to the emergency room. 6 hours of surgery. Cost $150,000.00 in insurance and I was off work for 3 Months of pain and misery. It was a year before I was back woodworking.

[@BLOWbamasux]

THANK YOU for your honesty and insight! Good TS technique is paramount regardless of brand or safety features! Great video.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Yes exactly!

[@glycerine3065]

Always respect the tool, regardless of experience. I (almost) found out the hard way with a circular saw, recently! Always respect the tool! Thank you for your informative video!

[@EveningWoodworker]

Thanks! Yes... tools have no feelings. They don't care if they hurt you

[@kenreynolds1000]

Found a NIB(!) 36in 220V on CL with the standard base kit. It took a year of watching but I picked it up up for $2800. I figured I'd find one in an old woodworker's estate sale, but it ended up being someone young guy who had too many hobbies. Worth it.

[@gator8639]

I had the old contractor saw that you upgraded from, but mine had the stock fence that was utterly garbage. It and my frustrations with it caused several close calls. Two months ago I threw it in the garbage after yet another close call and bought the same 3hp PCS with 52" table. The upgrade was amazing. I never realized how calming wood working can be when you actually can get straight cuts on the first try.

[@EveningWoodworker]

That would make a huge difference! The craftsman saws are decent if you get a good fence.

[@regibson23]

I don't have a SS but I agree on the calmness that a little nicer tools can bring. I originally bought a Ridgid contractor saw but then returned it and got a Delta 36-725. Not as fancy as SS but so much nicer to work with. And all told only about $150 more than the contractor saw.

[@CraigularjJoeWoodworks]

I loved watching this video, very well thought out

[@toolchuck]

Excellent explanation on your reasoning to buy, or not buy a Sawstop. I have owned a few saws of my own and currently own a 36" 3HP PCS and love it! I'm still very respectful of the blade because even a few stiches aren't fun. But the build quality and accuracy of the saw is second to none and worth every penny if you can afford it. Thanks for the video!

[@EveningWoodworker]

I couldn't agree more! Glad you like your saw. I have the same one

[@sunsetheritagefarm1189]

Excellent video, thank you for your genuine honesty about it. 👍

[@EveningWoodworker]

No problem!

[@kencoleman7762]

I too used a Craftsman table saw for 40+ years and just adapted to it's quirks. When my eldest granddaughter was a teenager and expressed serious interest in woodworking, moving to a finger protecting SawStop was a no brainer. I still had all my fingers and I wanted my grandchildren to keep all of theirs. I was pleased that it was a much safer saw but I was amazed at what a dramatic improvement it made in my woodworking. Setup was so much easier and adjustments are a breeze. I have no complaints about the saw and truly believe it is worth the price. Anyone who saves money with a less expensive saw but cuts their hand will wish they had bought a Sawstop.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Very true!... especially if you have less experienced people using your shop. It helps to have high quality tools!

[@mrbigtuna240]

Always respect every tool whenever I get to comfortable that’s when accidents happen. I have put a circular saw blade into one of my nail beds and have fired a three inch framing nail into my hand. Both times it hurt and I felt silly but it helps to respect tools

[@healing2gether]

Glad you made this video on the Hot Dog saw 🤣, I am currently building my SawStop to have ordered as we speak!! -Adam

[@EveningWoodworker]

Well HOT DOG! That's awesome! Congrats

[@mariomontoya7334]

2 years ago I had a incident while building a sled on my table saw. I had been doing woodworking for about 5 years from my retirement from the electronics technology industry with alot of background abouit safety. It just takes one moment of distraction to cause a injury. Although with total safety in mind about keeping hands away from the blade, the moment of a loss of concentration left me with a severe injury to my finger. It took almost 5 months to recover but with a cost of some loss of dexterity to that finger. My point is this: Still today I cannot remember what happened that caused my injury. It's perplexing. After recovery I baught the the Job Site Saw Stop. I have so much more respect for safety than ever since my incident despite the saw I was using before. We are human beings that are not 100% immune from a brief lapse of concentration. At some point something can happen. Stay safe with what you have.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Great point! Accidents do happen even when you're careful. Glad you have a SawStop now

[@scottbertrand2057]

Thinking of buying contractor saw stop can u give some insight

[@bowlchamps37]

That´s why it´s important that people understand how to use a table saw. Most of them only think they know how to use one. I work for the German Woodworking Guild and we analyze accidents and if you use a table saw the way you are supposed to use one, it´s basically impossible to hurt yourself unless you faint or get shoved into it. Your hands and finger cannot even come close to the blade.

[@larrycurran7005]

Saw stop is a very high quality product. Have the contractors model and very happy with it. I make a lot of large cabinets so I gave serious consideration to the cabinet model. But having a small shop for my work I just could not see fitting it in without tripping over it while using other machines. So I went to a highly accurate track saw with a set of parallel guides and right angle attachments to do square cuts. Cost was less and is easier on sheet goods to break down to size. Built a light weight table for use with the saw that can be stored folded against a wall when not in use. Still use the S/S saw for smaller work for which it is great. Since have added the kreg ACS system which also folds up against a wall. Still have room in my shop with great versatility.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Great ideas! Glad you made it work for your shop and setup

[@michaelmerced6520]

All Woodshops in Las Vegas, NV has Saw Stops. Ten years ago a student cut three fingers off on a powermatic TS. He was doing a dado cut and had stack dado blades on the table saw. As an educator I welcome the Saw Stop and it has relieved a lot of stress on me when my students used it. P.S. he wasn't my student..

[@EveningWoodworker]

Yikes that would be scary especially as the teacher... I think these are a must for all school woodshops.

[@renobtankit6019]

great vid thanks! my first time seeing a vid of your and it worked I hit subscribe.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Thanks for the sub!

[@upperhandcustoms11]

From one engineer to another, thanks for the honesty.

[@EveningWoodworker]

No problem... we need more honesty in this world!

[@upperhandcustoms11]

@@EveningWoodworker ain’t that the truth.

[@alexreid4131]

Great review and thanks for the insight. I am just about to start a woodworking business and told my wife that if it works out then my aim is to save up for a Saw Stop. To me apart from the obvious safety aspect it just seems like a quality saw with great features and a good fence. The additional safety feature is of course a huge added bonus.

[@healing2gether]

That is also how I convinced my wife as well ;) she said she wants all my fingers in tact... lol

[@alexreid4131]

@@healing2gether I guess the upside would be that she'd have to take the garbage out instead. But on the whole I also want to keep my digits.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Yeah especially if you're starting it as a business is a great investment!

[@healing2gether]

@@alexreid4131 thats true for most...but with six kids (four older boys) wife and I have plenty of trash taker-outers hahah...but a few of my kids already work in the shop with me and the first time she watched one son use my jobsite chop saw without the guard she lost her mind lol...so that was argument number two, that the kids would be safer with a Saw Stop ;)

[@healing2gether]

@@EveningWoodworker it sure is, and now after I get mine for the shop I’ve decided to get a jobsite one for my carpenters for added insurance!!

[@michaelruss1742]

My neighbor has the same SawStop. I have an equivalent Grizzly. They both cut wood very smoothly especially when they have great blades . I'm so glad I saved the extra money.

[@EveningWoodworker]

I haven't used a grizzly saw before but I've heard that they're pretty solid. Now you can buy more wood!

[@JohnClark-sc8uu]

About one month ago my friend had a terrible accident on his table saw. He cut off the pinky finger at the second knuckle and ran the blade across the other three. I have a old Rockwell 12 inch saw from the 1950s that runs as smooth as glass. I am now buying the Saw Stop industrial. I hate to retire the old girl but a trip to the ER well offsets the cost of the machine.

[@BlakePizzey]

Hello from a fellow member ;) I'm about to film my unboxing and can't wait! Love your channel.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Thanks man! I appreciate it. Congrats on your new saw!

[@craigchristensen6082]

Great review, thanks.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Glad you like it!

[@csimet]

Good video! I'd love a new (SawStop) saw some day, but I inherited a Craftsman 113 (1968/69) from my dad in beautiful shape and he made a good heavy duty rolling stand, turning it into a hybrid. $450 in upgrades (2x 12" used cast extensions, a new 15" cast router table and Delta T3 fence system) and I have a saw that will probably last another 40+ years, well past my life expectancy. I can do 36" rips to the right and 30" to the left. As for safety, it certainly lacks features of the newer saws. With the guard and an aftermarket splitter & insert installed, as well as best practices for use and safety, I feel very comfortable using it. Agreed 100% with your conclusions.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Those craftsman saws will run forever! I'm glad you got the upgraded features!

[@coreygrua3271]

If you’ve been to an ER lately, you probably know that you can spend the cost of a Saw Stop in a hurry there. Your safety advice is excellent as well. Plus, you have a new subscriber because of your effective, realistic presentation.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Thanks! I appreciate that!

[@arizonaexplorations4013]

I am here because of a patient I took care of today. An older guy came in said he put his hand through his table saw. He said he tripped over his dog and put his palm into the blade. He only need two stitches. I didn’t believe he really had done what he said so he pulled up sawstop videos and showed me. How much is your hand worth. If you have kids, how much are their hands worth?

[@scottwalker7939]

thank u for this video. I am an upcoming carpenter for KZbin . I was looking to go in debt with this machine. After watching your video. I can wait a bit save and concentrate safety and accuracy on my rigid job site table saw.

[@takeniteasyfriend]

Respect the saw. The most important wisdom to of the video. Really 👍 liked the table mod on the right side. Best

[@EveningWoodworker]

Thanks! Yes the saw has no feelings and doesn't care about you!

[@rogeranderson8763]

If I wanted a tablesaw in my shop, I would certainly opt for a SawStop. As it is, I went for a Powermatic Bandsaw and hand tools....but then I am a retired hobby guy and do not need to actually produce much and can take my time with handsaws and such. I have owned tablesaws in the distant past, still have all my fingers....and a reputation for using really long push sticks

[@EveningWoodworker]

That's works too. Of course you gotta be able to cut a straight line with the handsaw!

[@ericsimpson4045]

Just purchased mine feww weeks back, well now I have your miter saw station and the same saw😀

[@EveningWoodworker]

We're gonna have the same shop pretty soon!

[@tinysparky]

I love your old saw. It is serving me well.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Honestly yes that's a great saw that had served me very well... just ready for an upgrade!

[@CCSandSonsWorkshop]

I'm in the middle of the assembly process of my SawStop PCS right now and happened to find your channel through this video, glad I did! Cheers!

[@EveningWoodworker]

Thanks... Congrats on your new saw!

[@farrierss1724]

When Saw Stop was introduced I sold a perfectly operating cabinet saw(Jet) and bought a SS. No regrets. Okay, maybe feel bad for the guy who bought the Jet. Did trigger the auto stop feature by cutting treated wood of variable Moisture content. (third board triggered it). Pucker Factor 6, at least, and my hands were not near the blade. Keep an extra cartridge in shop to avoid down time, also you will need a dado cartridge. about $80 each. Bought a 52" saw. Since cut it down to 36". Those extra 16" only collect the crap you tend to lay there. Never needed it. Track saw if your cutting that wide is a MUCH better option.

[@jifyou175]

I bought the same saw earlier this year, and I can’t say enough good things about it as a quality saw. There are other good saws out there in this range, but it is the safety aspect that was the clincher for me. I have been a home wood worker for 30 years and you would think that I would fully understand the safety aspects to the use of a table saw. I do. I’ll use this analogy, guns really don’t need safeties on them if you follow the range rules. The safety is just one more layer of protection in case you forget or something unusual happens. Finally over the life of the saw, what is the cost difference between this saw and another in the same class of machine 3hp cabinet saw.

[@EveningWoodworker]

I think this one is similarly priced to saws of the same quality. Powermatic is a really nice saw but without the safety feature.

[@LegoLoos2006]

Awesome video mate

[@EveningWoodworker]

Thanks!

[@johndowning2231]

I have owned a Sawstop for nine years, since my new bride saw it and said, “You will buy this saw!” It is a testament to the fact that Taiwanese manufacturers will build in as much quality and you are willing to pay for. The fit, finish and quality is top notch. The safety features are the icing on the cake. I am an purveyor of Old Arn, but my two exceptions are the Sawstop and the DeWalt 20 volt tool family.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Excellent choices!

[@shockjock35]

I’m new to Woodworking. I see all the KZbin woodworkers have them. I like the steel table top. I bought my first table saw. The Dewalt 7845 Job site saw. I want a Sawstop. Those in the business probably a good investment. but the price is crazy for a weekend warrior.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Yes it's pretty high for weekend warrior work. My suggestion would be to learn how to safely use your dewalt and make some projects for others to save up some income... then get it when you can afford it.

[@rw7532]

I went from a Dewalt jobsite saw to the 1.75 hp sawstop. It did improve my long rips and it operates perfect with my incra crosscut sled. The miter slots on my Dewalt were a wonky design that made virtually any miter bar from any manufacturer a problem. As far as a saw goes it had consistently outstanding reviews compared to those made for Powermatic, Jet and Laguna. I’ll likely never use it to the frequency it was designed. I would recommend spending or saving up the extra moolah to buy this saw.

[@EveningWoodworker]

I'd agree with that too!

[@daveortwine2641]

@@EveningWoodworker all I have to say to people wondering whether they should get one is: "go ask someone whose lost their hands or fingers to a table saw accident how much they would pay to have their hands back in perfect condition. And I bet it's a lot less than the price of this saw."

[@lobird23]

excellent video

[@DarkTouch]

I know quite a few PROFESSIONAL carpenters who have lost part of their hands/hand function even though they are seasoned and skilled machine operators. Your point about learning how to use a saw safely is well made and absolutely correct. However, people are people and they get lazy, complacent, inattentive and the saw can also get out of adjustment and become difficult to work with safely (again people are lazy or ignorant and don't either recognize the saw needs adjustment or are in a hurry and don't want to adjust it). So accidents do happen to the most vigilant and safety minded. For me, I like to keep my digits and figure it will reduce the possibility of serious injury significantly and that alone is worth the extra cost. In addition, the fit and finish of the saw is second to none in its class (cabinet table saws): it is a very well made high quality tool. I used to own a Jet and was very happy with that table saw, but the Sawstop is just so much "nicer". There are industrial sliding/panel saws and CNC table saws and such that might be of higher standard, but they're really for production shops and lack the patented safety feature (they have other cool things like sliding tables, scoring blades, 14" main blade, etc). There is a possibility that with patent expiration coming up that more saw makers will offer this technology, but that remains to be seen. Sawstop has a significant lead, makes top quality machines and has excellent sales and service support. SO the whole package from the company is amazing. No, I am not affiliated with any company or toolmaker.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Well said... fully agree

[@AnthonyStabler]

The real cost of the manual is in the technical writing & illustration/photography. It took a lot of work by a lot of people to make that a coherent document. Well done SawStop.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Agreed... it definitely sounds like the authors have actually put together a saw before and really thought about what people need to know

[@joeforster5503]

Good video. As a retired electrical engineer, I was OK but not thrilled with your electrical explanation. But it works and the rest of the video is great. I have a 20 yr old Jet 10" contractor saw. It works. I have several circular saws and a Bora guide rail to break down larger pieces into manageable pieces for the table saw. And I have had one kick back lesson learned the hard way but no other accidents. Long term I may get a track saw and sell my Bora guide rails. But not going to spend $3k on a Sawstop just yet. As I get older, maybe strictly for safety.

[@EveningWoodworker]

As long as you're safe and respect the tool, the other saw will work just fine, but when you're ready, this is a pretty great saw!

[@patrickortiz9075]

Glad I saw this in my recommended videos. I’m just getting started and have an old jobsite table saw that’s not super safe (a splitter can only sort of be installed, no riving knife). I’m kind of in between getting something moderately safer like a DeWalt or holding out longer for the ultimate safety machine in a sawstop. I like what you had to say on learning the basics on a cheaper saw, but long term buying 2 saws is more expensive than buying 1! Any thoughts? Thank you!

[@EveningWoodworker]

If you're planning on doing woodworking for awhile and you can afford the more expensive one then go for it, but don't delay starting because you can't afford the top of the line one. Just get what you can afford.

[@x91w]

In UK GB we can only get the small contractor FES tool branded Sawstop. If I'm still doing joinery after 70 years old I may get a Sawstop but there are still a lot of other machines that could maim me so maybe not

[@darrellreed7044]

I have an ancient Craftsman that I restored, slapped a new link belt, pulley, and a new 3 hp motor on it and it roars through hard maple, black walnut... white oak... like it should. There are days I wish I had a 5hp cabinet saw (mostly for the improvement in dust collection)

[@EveningWoodworker]

Nice! Those ones are good if you take care of them

[@bills9963]

I bought the same saw as you, but with a 52 inch extension. Why? Well before I got this saw I also said things like "I have never had an accident, and I keep my hands away from danger...." and then I cut the top of one finger and did extensive nerve damaged 2 others. Two years to recover fully, including strange problems with with both hands caused by my brain getting confused about the messed up nerve signals coming from the damaged hand. I was careful to the nth degree, but one moment of distraction and the rest is history. You don't need a Sawstop to be a good woodworker, but you do need one if you really want to be sure not to have to go through what I went through. Oh and by the way, I've had 2 activation of the brake in 2 years. One was caused by wet wood - which was my error as I could have used the saws test capability to check. The other activation was a skin touch and Sawstop replaced the brake free of charge. Do yourselves a favour and save up for one of these saws. I won't use anything else, ever.

[@EveningWoodworker]

I'm glad i got it too... and I'm glad you did!

[@Ferndalien]

I'm guessing you had health insurance that covered most of the costs. But do you know how much the total medical bills, including any physical therapy, were? Are you a professional woodworker? If so, how much did the time lost from work cost you in income? Those are the costs to compare to the price difference between a Sawstop and, say an equivalent Grizzly with all the same features except the stop system.

[@bills9963]

@@Ferndalien I live in New Zealand. We have a government organisation called the Accident Compensation Corporation (ACC). Any accident to anyone here in New Zealand, work related or non-work related is covered by ACC and all medical bills are paid. I'm a hobby woodworker and this accident happened in my home workshop at the weekend, but even so I was covered. They cover all medical costs and up to 80% of your wages while you can't work after the first week - during which you are expected to use sick leave, of which I get 10 days a year. As far as what the cost of the medical care might have been, I have no idea, but my wages bill alone would have been about $8000NZ, which is about $5500USD. I had two operations and physio, so I'm guessing we are in the $50K + region. So in a strange way buying a Sawstop instead of another brand meant that I paid a lot more and really wouldn't save anything by avoiding medical costs - but then, that's not really the point.

[@pvonsoosten]

@@bills9963 Now imagine you're American and a similar accident would bankrupt many, if not most. What a country...

[@mr.lizard6812]

Sawstops are awesome the safety system alone is worth the cost for someone that doesn't use a Table Saw often. The one mistake that saves a finger. (Disclaimer) I do not have one I use that at work when the coordinator uses them. I know more than one person that has been saved from serious injury because of one(good craftsmen). It only takes one time losing focus to lose an appendage.

[@tacoma17]

Welcome to the club

[@christianpoynter7971]

I've been using a little portable Bosch for several years and as I start doing more woodworking, I really want to get a bigger, nicer saw. I keep thinking I should just get a nice Craftsman or Jet or something, but then I think about how if I were to take off part of a finger, I would regret not getting a Sawstop for the rest of my life. I feel like it's going to be worth it to just take the hit and get something I won't regret.

[@EveningWoodworker]

That's good reasoning... it only hurts one time when you buy it. After that you'll just be able to enjoy it

[@DsHardWoodCreations]

Subbed to you brother. Great content.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Thanks man!

[@michaeltca3103]

Nice! -- QUESTION --- If I was buying one with the intention of using it for life, is there an expiry date on the replacement blades/safety mechanism? Could I purchase a dozen replacement blades just to have backups in case they are difficult to get 30 years from now (who knows, maybe the company goes bancruptt or something) so I would never worry about being without.

[@jdogsbad]

I would like your opinion. Do you think having a Riving Knife on my saw is necessary ? Also what can I use to make the fence slide better ? Thanks

[@EveningWoodworker]

Riving knife is not required but does help a lot to reduce kickbacks. Almost all new saws have them. The fence will also slide better if the far end is free floating and not connected. It should work like a big T-square

[@darrylbuckett5380]

Will it cut either green timber or just plain wet wood from being outside without activating the stop mechanism. Cheers

[@EveningWoodworker]

I haven't tried it with really wet wood but you can disable the safety mechanism if you're cutting wet wood. I think it would have to be very wet though!

[@Engineer10211]

Does the mobile base lift the extension table legs off the floor or do you have to drag them across the floor when you move it?

[@EveningWoodworker]

Yes the table is light enough that it lifts the whole thing. Not sure on the 52" table but it does on this one.

[@pdg944]

I had to replace a Delta 36-5000 table saw that had developed an unfixable problem, and I went for the SawStop Pro 3HP model. I've always been very careful when using a table saw, and at first I thought it was too much money. But when I watched the promo videos featuring people who all claimed to be very careful when using the table saw and then held up something that used to be a hand, that was all I needed to place my order. I hope I never need the safety feature, but if I do it will save me thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of dollars, tremendous pain and a lot of recovery time.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Yep...I hate paying for insurance, but when something happens, it sure is nice to have it!

[@thefirsted]

I'm just a beginner but I'd like to commend some of your points latter in the video. I completely agree that people should start with a non braked saw to learn on. You will develop better habits for working the machine if you're not counting on the safety net of the saw's brake system to save your fingers. I know a lot of people with missing bits from machine incidents and to the best of my knowledge the injuries came from complacency or overconfidence. Both of those develop over time and are mostly unavoidable so it makes as much sense to work with that fact as well as the notion that a beginner doesn't need the best equipment possible. I still want a nice saw stop hybrid or better though I lack the space for something that large right now in addition to other factors I deal with. The Bosch reax line are likely just as good if it's the brake mechanism you're after. I think SawStop and Bosch are the only two companies making those right now. They both look like high quality machines to me.

[@nofacemtb9481]

You can learn on a SawStop as well as a non-braked saw. It doesn't matter what you learn on as long as you "respect" what you are learning on. I purchased my SawStop because of the safety features. It is a scary machine....just as scary as a "normal" table saw. I do not treat it any differently. The safety feature is just a bonus. My attitude toward my SawStop is the same as any other table saw.

[@thefirsted]

@@nofacemtb9481 My points were more towards having to be more aware and learn better habits than not being able to learn from it. For what it's worth I'd rather have got a Sawstop to learn with. When I first turned on the first saw I got I made two cuts and put it away for a few weeks because of how shaky my hands got. Literally trembling. I may not have got over it or been left with an aversion to other "inferior" table saws or something. With no offense intended here and mixed with a little envy of your super nice saw I'm going to stand by my previous statement. :)

[@donproctor3445]

Im trying to decide on a table saw for my first shop and can't decide what HP I need. I plan on cutting Hardwood for cutting boards and small projects. I'm also getting a Makita track saw for sheet goods or large/long cuts, so the table saw will be for small stock, crosscut, and dados. From your experience what would be your recommendation?

[@EveningWoodworker]

Sounds like you'd be fine with a 1.75 hp saw for the stuff you're doing. If you start doing thick slabs, you may want to consider a 3hp, but you gotta have a 220 circuit for that too.

[@TimC_1964]

One downside to any of the SawStop saws is that wet pressure treated wood (or I would assume, any wet wood) or wood that may have a metallic substance in it (shotgun pellets, bullets, nails, chain link fence, etc.) may cause the SawStop device to trigger. If you forget to bypass the protection on suspect wood you may trigger the brake cartridge. So, that's a Benjamin down the drain and however much the blade cost to replace. Just something you may have to be very cognizant of.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Definitely something to be aware of, but hopefully not a deal breaker. My fingers are worth more than $100!

[@audioman99]

You.re Welcome! Enjoy the saw bud! 😉

[@DizzyIndy]

Saved my finger in my robotics class

[@jon0807]

I've always wanted a sawstop but thought I could never afford it. That is until I cut my finger. I was clearing some waste and didn't realize just how close my finger was to the blade. Luckily the saw was winding down, my injury wasn't that bad. I still get a tingling in the tip of my finger to remind me that I can be very careless and I tend to be a klutz. If I wanted to continue in my woodworking passion, I had to have this saw. But safety features aside, it is a very well built saw when you compare it to others in its class. Yes the saw is pricey, but it's till cheaper than losing a finger

[@EveningWoodworker]

Very true... Sounds like the voice of experience

[@MikeMT29]

these saws are worth every penny

[@raymondbunkofske4702]

The safety features aren’t what sold me on this saw-I have the same one-it was the engineering. The distance between the fence to the blade remains constant regardless of the tilt angle. There is less lash in the elevation and tilt mechanisms and convenient little doors which make the yearly maintenance MUCH easier. The dust collection in the guard is quite good and for the most part the splitter at the 4” inlet works well. A couple things I don’t like: the “T” part of the slots is not parallel to the main portion of the miter slots so miter gauges with continuous T sections don’t work as well as they should. I REALLY miss the fence micro adjust on the Vega fence. You can make it work, but it’s not nearly as nice. Finally, I’m still trying to figure out a good way to attach an out feed table without interfering with the wheel I put at the back of the fence so it wouldn’t scratch the top. Would I buy it again? Yes, but I’d probably skip the fence and get a Vega one.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Yes, the engineering on this saw is top notch and well thought out. I'm glad people recognize that too in addition to the safety feature.

[@TerrapinCreations666]

Can you put dado blades in this?

[@chrisvanderwielen1530]

Reading the Sawstop site, there is a special "dado break' that must be used in conjunction with dado blades.

[@puromike]

Nice eventually, I will get one too, praying to the wood gods lol. I placed a purchase for job site but was taking to long to arrive before moving.

[@EveningWoodworker]

You won't regret it!

[@petenelson8136]

I've been woodworking on and off for about 15 years now. Borrowed a buddies craftsman contractor saw (a bit like yours), and then bought a Makita portable contract saw. I retired on 1 July 2021 and we are now designing our retirement home. The only saw my wife said I can buy next is a Shop Saw. Like you I respect my tools and put safety first, however accidents can and do happen so she's let me know I'll be getting a Shop Saw once my new shop is built. I'm sorry to say it's only going to be a 1 car garage shop like yours, but a bit longer at 12' x 34' so I'll have a bit more room on the ends for things like dust collection. I'm thinking I should put French doors on the shop instead of a garage door. That would eliminate the garage door rails, and French doors seal much better so it would be more energy efficient when heating or cooling. Your thoughts? BTW, I just subscribed, love how you did your analysis, and many of your other videos.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Good idea on the French doors. My only concern would be the shorter height especially if you carry in a piece of plywood, but you could make it work. Best of luck!

[@mariosalazar5325]

I am planning purchasing this same saw soon. I have the 220V being set up in my garage. Does this saw come wired with a plug for 220 or 110 a d you have to convert it yourself? Could you show which plug you're using?

[@EveningWoodworker]

If you get the 3hp saw, it comes with a NEMA6-15P plug which is wired for 220V. It basically looks like a normal 110V plug, but with the two blades rotated 90 degrees.

[@mariosalazar5325]

@@EveningWoodworker thank you! This is the first time I've seen your stuff. New follower here. Much appreciated sir!

[@robbyflair3552]

Do you use an outfeed table? How do you handle ripping those longer pieces?

[@EveningWoodworker]

I have a cheap HF roller stand that has been great and held up well over the years!

[@robbyflair3552]

@@EveningWoodworker thanks! Takes up less floor space too!

[@Ferndalien]

When we built our house thirty years ago our cabinets were a bit late because the custom cabinet maker accidentally cut off a couple of fingers on his table saw on the cabinet job that was three or four customers before ours. After they healed enough (I'll never know how well) he worked pretty hard to get the cabinets done on time. A few years after that, the contractor who built our house lost two fingers in a table saw accident. The guy had been in home building, mostly as a carpenter so he was skilled and knowlegable about table saws, but one quick slip was all it took. My cousin who retired from dentistry a couple years ago lost two fingers in a table saw accident about a year and a half before he retired. Their loss contributed to his decision to retire earlier than he had originally planned. Yes, I fear my table saw. It's an ancient Rockwell 12" contractor's saw. I have all my fingers and thumbs but I did get a personal understanding of why the medieval torture and execution method of "flaying alive" was so feared. An improvised push block caught in the blade and I lost a one inch long by 1/8th inch wide strip of skin off the end of one thumb. It happened in less than an instant. I was very, very lucky because it really was only the skin that the saw blade tore off. My wife, who is an ER nurse with over 30 years of experience, patched it together so we saved the thousands of dollars that an ER visit with follow-on might have cost (probably $7,000 to $10,000 here). When figuring out how much it will cost, you have to include the cost of repairing, treating, and recovering from a couple of lost fingers. Even if you just pay the deductible. If you have insurance.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Thanks for the good warnings and things to keep in mind. It's better to be safe than sorry.

[@scottroy6195]

Saving for the Jobsite as we speak. Don't have the room for the big boys but I want that backup that I hope I never need.

[@rw7532]

I’ve heard nothing but rave reviews for the new jobsite version.

[@harveymanfrantinsingin7373]

The jobsite is a nice saw, but if there is ANY way you can fit the next size up, save and do it! The fence is much nicer and just a better overall experience.

[@jeffhildreth9244]

Check the top for flatness.

[@carpenter33]

Yes

[@howardbecdove9780]

At my skill level, I’m reluctant to buy a cabinet saw, because I don’t think I can justify the cost right now, but I definitely would pay for the safety features. Would you say wether you thought the sawstop job site saw a good option.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Yes I've heard good things about that one too... never owned one though.

[@Mrdubomb]

It only takes one incident with a table saw or jointer or any piece of machinery no matter who you are, how experienced you are, and how careful you are to end your career immediately. Our local high schools all have saw stops, and as soon as I can afford one I will be getting one too. We had one teacher get distracted by a student and lose some fingers on an older general, and a co-op kid had an accident at his placement, he got bagged by a ;piece of kickback lumber and put his hand into the saw on the way down. After reading the sawstop story I was determined to buy one, but lately I've heard stories about sawstop not owning up to design flaws in their cheaper fence system, that discourages me greatly. Another technology that shows promise is whirlwind, but after contacting them it doesn't look like it will be on the market anytime soon.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Haven't had any issues so far with the fence. The design from what I have observed actually seems pretty robust. It's also fairly simple to tweak it if you need to make adjustments.

[@Mrdubomb]

@@EveningWoodworker apparently the issue is that it will shift left or right as you tighten it, not twist or go crooked, just move a bit.

[@terminator3000]

You rarely ever need a saw stop. But in that moment you need it you will be glad to have it

[@EveningWoodworker]

Yes, well said!

[@americatex1979]

Did you consider adding the router table to the saw?

[@EveningWoodworker]

I thought about it, but I have a tight spot where I wanted the saw to fit and my current router table does the job well. Maybe someday...

[@ospuddy]

You can always engineer ways so you don't need SawStop. The goal is to keep the hands away from the blade by using blade guards, feather boards, push sticks, jigs, etc. My rule is my hands stop at the edge of the table and only the push sticks or jigs go over the table. If you engineer a robotic arm that handles your work piece, you don't need the blade stop technology.

[@EveningWoodworker]

That's a good rule

[@tcbridges]

I like the Sawstop but just bought a new Harvey 2 HP table saw the price difference had a lot to do with my desicion. I’m just a light home woodworker. Hoddy projects

[@EveningWoodworker]

I have heard a few people talk about the Harvey but haven't seen one in person yet. Just be safe and respect the saw and you should be fine!

[@dmdm9198]

Do you regret getting the 36? Or should have gotten the 52?

[@EveningWoodworker]

Nope... no issues with the 36".A 52 also just wouldn't fit in my shop. The only reason I would get a larger one is if I had a big shop and wanted an integrated router table on the other end.

[@themeat5053]

Now, at 5:28 I understand the detailed capacitance explanation

[@EveningWoodworker]

Yep... I had to figure out how it works!

[@LordDeadSpider]

What saw brand/model would you recommend besides sawstop? Comparable or better in build quality and overall function as a tool.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Powermatic is the only one I've seen with similar finish and quality. There may be others though that I'm not familiar with.

[@the_retag]

Well... do you want the stop in the saw?

[@LordDeadSpider]

@@the_retag matters not if it has the stop function like this saw. It is nice but not a deal breaker. Build quality, accuracy and something that will outlast me.

[@the_retag]

@@LordDeadSpider well the even the best make mistakes, so if your willing to take the risk its your choice, i personaly would give the ability to stop a lot of weight, so it would need a ton for me to not buy sawstop should i ever buy in that price range. Again, just IMHO

[@LordDeadSpider]

@@the_retag That was very helpful....

[@tankerbill1431]

Will wet or damp wood trigger the stop? I

[@EveningWoodworker]

I haven't tried that, but if you're concerned, you can temporarily turn off the safety feature for the wet cut.

[@mikes9844]

Does it require you use a sawstop blade? Or can you use any blade?

[@EveningWoodworker]

You can use any blade

[@sawdust302]

Great video. But you need an outfeed table for added safety.

[@EveningWoodworker]

I know, I've got some ideas for that!

[@lesleopold9893]

I’ve been considering buying the contractor Sawstop model as my first table top saw. Have or will you be reviewing the contractor model Sawstop?

[@EveningWoodworker]

I don't have that one and I don't think I could afford TWO sawstops! But the technology is the same and I've heard good things about that too... just get the cast iron wings.

[@cabbyhubby]

i have one of each, the contractor saw is under powered, not good for hardwoods, but fine if you use pine or other soft woods.

[@rw7532]

The 1.75 can rip walnut and oak just fine. Maybe not able to push it through as fast as the 3 hp but I’ve never had a problem cutting 2 inch walnut, maple or oak and without burn marks and using a Diablo rip blade from Home Depot. If my garage was wired for 220 or it wouldn’t have cost an arm and a leg to get it done I would have spent the extra $800 for the 3 hp. But knowing what I know now, I am glad I didn’t spend that extra money (the money saved went to buying my band saw from Laguna). I looked at the contractor version and like said once you add the cast iron wings it costs approaches the cabinet saw by a few hundred dollars. You can always buy the constructor saw and then add the cast iron wings later,. Be sure you check out the reviews regarding how the motor location on the contractor version impedes out feed tables and dust collection.

[@Cecil_X]

I have the contractor saw. I got it from Woodcraft when one of the stores went out of business. Got it for $1,000. It is well worth it. Like R W said, it does not have the power I sometimes want, but it does work on hardwood. Sometimes I think about upgrading to the 3 HP, but as a hobbyist I cannot justify the extra cost. I do use Diablo's thin kerf blades. I know a few people missing digits from table saw accidents. Not one of them said, someday I will stick my hand into a spinning saw blade. If you mistakenly do this once in your entire lifetime, the saw is worth the extra cost, even the full price. My son also bought one, and he likes his as well.

[@larrycurran7005]

I have the 1st version of the contractor's model and it is a true quality product doing every accurate cuts. Just don't push wood through it fast. Never had a problem with cutting speed though.

[@gerardoramos1263]

How to order one of this table saw? Im from the philippines

[@EveningWoodworker]

Check the sawstop website

[@markkaeder9018]

Worth every penny (9 year owner)

[@chad10006]

Can you talk more about how you came up with "This very expensive saw"? It costs the same as a Powermatic and is built as good or better and includes a life changing safety feature.

[@bowlchamps37]

Because much of the price is because of that safety feature that you don´t really need if you know how to use a table saw properly. And the quality of the saw is not worth the price. Especially if you compare this to higher quality machines from Europe within the same price range.

[@EveningWoodworker]

For me, any saw in this price range would be expensive. But I had used a Sawstop before in a classroom setting and found it was an excellent machine... plus the added safety feature!

[@cheryldawkins7486]

I started with the same craftsman was you used. It worked fine with softer woods. Unfortunately, the was wanted to "walk" when I started using hard woods even with a brand new blade. I bought a Rigid 52" and have been very happy with it.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Nice! I've heard good things about the ridgid saw too

[@TrevorDennis100]

The safety features are a given and have been covered to death, so I would really love to know about day to day use of this saw. Is the riving knife easy to remove? Is there an alternative riving knife with a blade cover and dust extraction, and does it come with the saw? How good is the fence location front to back? Does it always remain parallel to the blade once set? Is there are a means to do fine adjustment of the fence? I have a DeWalt jobsite saw in my home shop which has all of those features and I love it, but we need a new saw at my local Menz Shed. What's involved using a dado stack with with a Sawstop? This is the sort of info I would like to know before buying a Sawstop.

[@EveningWoodworker]

In response to your questions: 1. Yes, 2. Yes, 3 & 4. The fence is great and stays nice and square, 5. No means to fine adjust except a gentle nudge. The dado stack just requires you to use a different brake cartridge with some minor adjustment of brake position. It takes a few minutes to swap it out and adjust it.

[@TrevorDennis100]

@@EveningWoodworker Thanks a lot. I appreciate you taking the time to answer. All we have to do now is find one. Carbatec stock them in New Zealand and have had no stock for ages.

[@Ham68229]

The best safety tool is the one that's attached above your shoulders. Not a fan of Saw Stop ever since they attempted to push all saw manufacturers to use a brake system. Common sense now days has gone by the way side per say so, for many, a saw stop probably is a must for them. They say saw stop fixed a lot of issues they had to where the brake would trip without anything touching it. Among other electrical issues they may or may not have had. I don't own one, I never will. My money will be spent on making jigs that will keep me safe, such as proper push sticks and alignment tools that keeps my saw's in perfect operation. Cheers :)

[@EveningWoodworker]

I can definitely agree about your mind being the best safety device! It only works when you use it.

[@martyfarrell9459]

I've been building cabinets and furniture professionally for 30 years. I always thought anyone that was injured by a saw was an idiot and just not paying attention. About a year ago I had a large job, big kitchen and a library with solid wood coffered ceiling. A few weeks in I was doing many repetitive cuts on the saw and took a nasty chunk out of my thumb. It scared the crap out of me and I thought 'never again'. A few months into the same job I got a tiny nick while removing stock after cutting it. I had a good run but realized nobody's perfect. A week later I had a SawStop in my shop and I LOVE it!

[@shaynesabala]

Thanks for a good explanation on how the safety feature works. It’s a nice, quality built saw for sure but paying for the safety feature seems extreme to me. With no disrespect, I feel like if a person needs that feature, they probably should not be using power tools. Lol.

[@EveningWoodworker]

I think the safety feature on it is not necessary to do woodworking but a nice backup in case you have a bad day...

[@stevebailes8590]

At a little more than 6 minutes into the video you push a piece through with a push stick but your left hand travels past the front of the blade. Any amount to pressure from the left hand can cause the offcut to go into the back of the blade and cause kickback. Check that out. Be safe.

[@EveningWoodworker]

Thanks for noticing that. I went back and looked and yes I agree with you. The side pressure on the saw blade would be bad. I think in that shot I was following the wider offcut past the blade. I don't normally care about the offcut, not sure why I felt like holding onto it in that clip

[@garycrumrine9538]

I believe because of the price, Sawstop has moved into the realm of Festool products. The reality is the negativity in the products in general is driven by the haves, and have nots. If a person makes his living with his tools, then buying a tool that is accurate, well built and will provide excellent service for many years to come, AND can be written off as an expense on taxes, I say get the best. Nobody complains about the tools, it is the people that own them that is the problem.

[@EveningWoodworker]

It's definitely the most expensive tool I've ever bought, but as a musician too, I thought the insurance/peace-of-mind was worth it.