I Should Have Bought A Saw Stop!!

Why I regret not buying a better table saw

[@siriosstar4789]

i use to have that saw but sold it when i moved to Europe .when i did have though , i loved it . none of the things you mentioned were an issue for me , so i think a lot of times with tools and anything in life , people have issues that are personal desires or tics that are not necessarily a fault of the tool .

[@MAGAMAN]

I'm pretty sure a sawstop wouldn't have prevented his problem. In fact, people still get injured on sawstop saws all the time. The gimmick just makes people less cautions and also costs them money every time you forget to remove a staple that held a price tag on from the wood you are cutting.

[@chuckgrumble5440]

how could they not be an issue to anybody

[@richardlug6139]

True, but that fence seemed pretty bad to me. He shouldn’t have had to redo the sides with counter top strips.

[@2001redz28]

I don't think a sawstop would have saved you from kickback???

[@alsmith7316]

Pretty much.

[@btrswt35]

Exactamundo. I think he just wanted to go on a bitch fest.

[@James-lo5ne]

He may not of had a saw with a riving knife, however I think the point was he had a kickback that pulled him which could have pulled him into a blade.

[@vipervt09]

I think the point was that the incident had caused him to really think about safety in general, not just for kick backs. In that sense, I can see why he would want to re-think not getting a SawStop. I don't think he was claiming that a SawStop would have prevented the kickback itself

[@11211lcb]

Since you nor I were not there to witness what happened it would be hard to determine exactly what caused the accident. But the OP has indicated that the accident happened with the older Unisaw and it had no splitter or riving knife. The Saw Stop has both and that feature is aimed directly at preventing kickback.

[@andrewmurphywoodworking]

Perspective. I have that model saw and am very happy with it. But I had a Bosch contractor saw before that. I was right in the middle of a customers project when it gave out and had to replace with something right away. I would love to have gotten a SS or Powermatic, but at more than twice the cost I just couldn't. The Grizzly was quite a step up for me. You had one of the best saws made at the time you bought it (when Delta had ownership that cared), and took a step down. Some of the quality issues you brought up are not acceptable, but the others? Remember, the Grizzly is less than half the cost! You can't expect Festool quality when you buy Ryobi, but you might get a pretty decent tool. Do you expect the same fit and finish from a Nissan that you would from a Benz? It is what it is. I don't think anyone ever said that Grizzly is as good as SS or Powermatic. PS - not trying to be a smart a**.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

No problem.. yes I miss my old Delta. I thought the Grizzly would be about the same quality as my old one, but I was mistaken. You’re correct when you say it’s half the cost for a reason, but I just thought it would be a little better. Just silly quality control. But I can still get things done on it until I save for a SS... Thanks and have a blessed Easter

[@jamespyacek2691]

Thanks. Helpful for me as I have an inherited Grizzly I need to sell so I can buy a more lightweight table saw. I rent, and I may have to transport the damn thing.

[@Pauken11]

Your accident with the plywood could just as easily have happened on a SawStop. Stock feeders such as the JessEm guides would have prevented that accident. Unless the Grizzly doesn’t have a riving knife, there would be no difference there. From the opening shot it is evident that you don’t use a blade guard. A guard also would have most likely prevented your accident. A SawStop without a blade guard doesn’t prevent kickback any more than any other saw. Anyone who uses a SawStop without the guard is still taking unnecessary chances. The SawStop advantage is with skin contact, not kickback. As I said in the beginning, if you had been using stock guides, the first one positioned so it’s engaged before the blade enters the wood, you would not have had that kickback. SawStop or Grizzly, same result. This is coming from a proud PCS owner.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

The kickback was on my old saw (no riving knife).This saw the guard is just plain useless. It’s very flimsy, and when you try to lower the blade with the guard in place, the anti kickback pawls dig into the table and they dig into the cast table. You have to lock the kickback pawls into the up position hooks and then lower the blade. The guard was not designed by an every day user for sure. The jessem guides I will be buying when I get my new saw. Thanks for your input. Very well versed.

[@edb5154]

@@tupelowoodcarver1785 From what I can see in your post you are not using the riving knive on your saw anyway. Unless it's an older model it came with one but you do need to install it.

[@11211lcb]

Actually, a riving knife, which is on the SS, goes a long way in preventing kickback. Not all but a majority.

[@HondoTrailside]

I assume he realizes that he was hurt by kickback, and was just saying once kicked, is more aware of the claws. But the other thing is under no circumstance have people able to wonder into your shop. I lock the door. That has some safety issues around it also. All this Sawstop fanboy stuff... I have regular low powered tools in my shop that can literally twist me into mush like toffee on a stick. If you don't already know what I mean, I will not tell you as you can't un-google those pictures. Loose a finger. Never going to happen, but it is so far from being the worst thing that can, lordy I would hit that trade if I had a chance.

[@HondoTrailside]

The worst injury, and the only bad one I have had on a TS is a kickback. piece was a little too wide, short and high. But not so off that it was obvious, or that the piece that hit me was light. I may not have been half the boxer I thought I was until I took that shot. LOL at myself.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

My wife and are discussing selling the saw and buying the Saw Stop. I have worked really hard at getting this saw tuned. The results are good, but it gets really annoying having to deal with things that I didn’t have to deal with before. Plus I’m getting older, and I value my fingers more because I’ve owned them longer..ha ha Now I’m faced with buying a new dust collector. I’m looking at Oneida Air. It’s the new saw or new dust collector, until I find that perfect tree (that grows $$). LOL

[@tonxmodern4436]

I upgraded to a sawstop a year ago. Literally the best shop decision I have ever made. You will not regret getting a sawstop.

[@jgwoodworking]

I have one of the first Oneidas, Filter was internal back then. The thing that will suprise you is how good the dust collection is on the sawstop.

[@MrStrizver]

Look into ClearVue cyclones for dust collection. They are spendy but mine is my #1 piece of safety equipment in my shop and totally worth the money I spent on it. In fact, it's the only major tool purchase I've ever made new and have zero regrets.

[@MerchantNation]

have you looked at the jessem clear cuts to help make saw safer. installed on my grizzly and feel much safer

[@Acal51]

Stfu man. This video is just u nitpicking all the small things to justify to yourself and wife that spending 5k instead of the 1.5k is worth it. It’s a form of cognitive dissonance.

[@dennisbreault7405]

The most important safety device in any power tool is the person using it!!

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Got that right!

[@11211lcb]

This is true however we are all human and make mistakes. There is no shame in admitting that and investing in a safer saw.

[@jasonm.7358]

@@11211lcb I completely agree...and that’s why I’m not buying a tablesaw at all. I’m buying a Festool tracksaw and a Router Boss to do my dados/grooves etc. It’s still less money than the Sawstop cabinet saw, and the only thing I can’t do with it is cut super-thick wood - and if I need to that maybe I’ll buy a bandsaw. If the wood is clamped down well, it can’t come flying at you, and if you have both hands on the saw, it’s hard to cut your thumb off.

[@NoMoreFossil]

You're right, I think this woodworker want bells and whistle and likes the joneses gripes.

[@richardjones8777]

Shoulda... Coulda... Woulda! Personally, Saw Stop is overpriced, and over-hyped. You have a saw that can do any job you throw at it, and can do it as well as a Saw Stop. If you are a professional, you know what to do about keeping yourself safe. That's your job. But hey, we all covet what we don't have, and try to justify why we want it. Human, nature...

[@2unruly]

I find this humorous, not because of what you're going through but unfortunately I have a craftsman 113 and would kill to have that saw.!! Great video anyways!

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Live near Florida? You might get a deal! Like the logo btw

[@2unruly]

@@tupelowoodcarver1785 depending on the deal I live close enough! Lol

[@CentralNH]

I don't understand the title....saw stop will save digits that's it....no saw prevents the number 1 biggest issue.. Kickback! I love my Laguna. Saw stop is wayyy overpriced. Yes your digits are priceless but kickback is the most common mishap with a table saw.

[@tracdfar]

I agree. Euro sliders seem to minimize the danger better than traditional cabinet saws but, they're expensive, more than SS, especially if you want a sled for longer rips.

[@cchavezjr7]

One thing to note though, that kickback is the number one cause of pulling fingers into the blade. Any saw with a riving knife goes a long way to stopping kickbacks.

[@11211lcb]

Kick back is very common and a riving knife goes a long way to prevent that. BUT kickbacks are normally not nearly as devastating as a bad cut or an amputation. I have had both happen to me, kick backs multiple times. I am missing half of my left thumb. What do I worry about the most after owning a TS for 38 years? Another bad cut, but from a band saw or jointer, or circular saw, not my SawStop. If you don't realize the value of not cutting off a digit or the possibility of doing that I wish you a lot of luck.

[@robe4037]

I totally agree with your assessment and review

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Thanks.. it’s sad that we agree. That means their products are failing basic quality control measures.

[@Mrsnichols1965]

I'm a bit confused as to why you would sell a well liked table saw only to buy another. So I guess I don't understand the motive for even considering another saw, since even a Saw Stop doesn't prevent kickback. To address your points about the Grizzly G0690, you must first understand that you did not buy their top of the line saw. So you are expecting fit and finish of a $2500-4000 saw from a $1800 saw. All the little details are important, but can also be fixed and adjusted on this saw. You exchanged money for time. You didn't spend the money, now spend the time. Table not in perfect plane, tap it into place. This could have happened in shipping to any saw. Fence not perfect, adjust it. I'd have done that to an expensive saw anyway. Dust collection port not ideal, but then no dust collection is worth any more than the collector pulling on that port. Cast iron table scratches easily. I'm not sure that isn't the case with all newer cast iron. Riving knife and guard held in by quick connects, because that saw was designed in an era when those items were often removed and never thought of again, so why make them expensive? Quick disconnect kinda says it all about those. This is not to say all these things are unimportant, or aren't worth commenting on. They are details which make using the machine better, more rewarding, and less hassle. But That's what a Grizzly machine IS. Its a lower cost, owner takes on the "fine tuning" if you will, in exchange for a couple thousand dollars of cash still in pocket. All that said, the saw is a great saw for the price. But you also are not wrong about it; its just you are expecting more than was advertised or supplied. BTW, if your open end wrench jaw flexes like you describe, get a better set of wrenches.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

I’m in agreement with you. Back when I purchased my Delta Unisaw with Beismeyer 52”fence it was awesome. It was only $1490 back then,easy to align, and you could dial it in to within .002 of an inch. Yes it lacked the newer safety devices, but hey they weren’t around then. This saw has more flaws than I actually exposed because I wanted it to be informative and for people to think about saving up and get something with less problems. I could actually do another video showing the cast iron extension tables not being milled truly flat. I have worked with tape, shim and various other thickness materials only to have the front half of the extension wing true and the rear half down .008 of an inch. I have three “Whole” fence assemblies shipped from Grizzly only to arrive damaged with no visable box damage? Also the laminate table I have two of that arrived broken and I became so frustrated with not being able to work on the saw that I made my own in the video. I could go on, but you get the picture. You are 100% right in expecting more, but actually I thought it would at least be as good as my old Unisaw. Thanks for the response.

[@Mrsnichols1965]

@@tupelowoodcarver1785 Three notes regarding your reply. First, I think you had an exceptionally bad experience; I don't think all purchases from Grizzly, or of this saw in particular, as as bad as you had. That sucks, no way around that. Second, understand where these machines are made, and some of the issues become less design and more QC/competence/shipping care by the manufacturer. Last, as you noted, the CS techs at Grizzly are good at what they do. They take pride in their work. This may not necessarily be backed, or met in quality/quantity of that pride, by the company itself. I know this from personal experience. I hope you have better luck with the other machines and that you solve your saw dilemma, since a good day in the shop is the ultimate goal.

[@11211lcb]

Because a SawStop will prevent a bad cut. And yes you can say you just have to be careful and that is true but who do you know that has never made a mistake or had an accident?

[@Mrsnichols1965]

@@11211lcb perhaps you should reply after reading the entire response. I would have understood stepping up to a better saw. But his major concern was kickback, which saw stop cannot prevent.

[@11211lcb]

@@Mrsnichols1965 I was answering your question. Why sell a well-liked saw? And somewhere in the thread, the OP has indicated the desire to keep all of his digits.

[@Bellverdere]

Mate I really do feel for you, when I started to do woodworking my wife got me a triton table saw. I never liked it, used it a couple of times but I quickly realised it was a piece of junk, all I can say that the manufacturer through safety out the door and put profit first. From the knowledge I got from that experience , I started looking for a saw I could use with complete confidence. Man I searched the net, found some good table saws but always the safety angle was foremost on my mind. I happened upon Saw Stop by accident, when I saw the price I just said " next," but for some reason I kept going back to the website Long story short, I worked out which one best suited my needs and which attachments I would require. I am working towards that goal because I do not want to do it by piecemeal, when I buy it, I will have all I need at once. I have learnt that if you settle for less than what you want, you will receive less than what you settled for, I hope it works out for you. Thank you for your honest review, you have given me insights of what to do and what not to do,thankyou. Frank Nolan

[@11211lcb]

I am in the woodworking/contracting/home builder trades. All of my colleges including myself, that have switched to the SawStop, have not been disappointed. One colleague was an upper-end home builder., 6 figures. He and I built the kitchens together. I cut the oak plywood carcasses in my shop, he built the face frames for those carcasses in his shop. All joints were dados or groves. No butt joints. Needless to say, precision for parts to fit together had to be dead on. I was using a Jet cabinet saw, he was using an older Unisaw. Today, he is retired and has moved to his lake house and building a small shop. He feared getting rid of the Unisaw. He replaced it with the job site SawStop and he can't stop smiling.

[@randyolsen7481]

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[@rbzbreezy]

You have to watch the whole video before you make this comment. The kickback story was just a story he told. He went over the issues with this table saw.

[@barryinn1778]

Let me say first , Grizzly makes fine machinery for the money. 2nd, I have 8 pieces of Grizzly machinery in my shop and use them for what they were made for. 3rd, I have had kickback before when a piece of plywood went into my gut, and it hurt. That saw I had DID NOT HAVE A RIFING KNIFE, so that is why I got hurt, it was an old table saw. After that happened I purchase a new Grizzly table saw with a RIFING KNIFE so that will not happen again . As for the blade guard I do not use them , they are junk and get in the way of cutting material. If you would have had a rifing knife on your table saw I don't see you getting hurt or that probably wouldn't have happened . True grizzly has issues with their machinery but that is why its cheaper and made in china. I do agree with you on the Grizzly dust collection on their saws, VERY POOR, my saw has 2 areas that suck dust and neither of them work good. They need to make the inside bottom of saws slope at a angle to the dust port, and improve air intake around the blade height adjustment handle to limit air sucking in that area. I have tried to block it but to no success. I keep my rifing knife on my saw at all times. In closing go get the Saw Stop you want , you'll be a lot happier ! Oh I almost forgot, get rid of that old design rip fence and buy a INCRA fence, they are Fantastic. Best fence I have ever owned, worth every penny, you'll Love it !

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Yes my old Delta UniSaw had no riving knife. That’s why it bound and pinched the blade. It was my fault. The dust collection is exactly as you said. I too have hvac taped every seam and crack, and I do believe their newer saws may have improved. I just did a fence mod that I will video that helps the parallax issue. I offered SawStop to work with me on a new saw and I would have a giveaway for mine, but nothing as of yet. Thanks for the honest response..

[@JorgenVonStein]

For as much money as these saws cost, there should be in depth reviews like this for each make & model of saw. Surprising that doing simple things like adding / removing blades, tensioning the belt & dust collection haven’t really been thought through in the Grizzly.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Thank you.. Engineering goes hand and hand with safety. The lack of thought that goes into these newer machines dives me crazy. Don’t even mention quality control… Can you tell I’m a retired engineer??

[@8eSix]

I won't support sawstop and their monopoly on the safety saw. What they did to bosch with their reaxx line was greedy. Bosch innovated and made the technology significantly better and best of all, non-destructive! Why sawstop gave up on the other technology is a mystery, but they could've put this into routers, jointers, and bandsaws. I don't buy into the sawstop evangelical "your finger costs more than a saw" propaganda. People have been using better table saws safely for years. Only recently has saw stop started making decent table saws around their safety tech. They're a one trick pony that needs to face real competition. Otherwise, where's the need to innovate?

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

I’m not aware of the Bosch incident you speak of..I own a lot of Bosch tools actually, and really like them.

[@WootTootZoot]

SawStop wouldn't have prevented the kickback. You have the guard removed along with the anti-kickback pawls, there's your problem.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

I didn’t make it clear enough that the accident was my fault. The older saw didn’t come with those safety devices. The Grizzly has them, but they are total junk and don’t work.

[@CookieManCookies]

Why would you complain about a crap saw? I think your better off looking at a quality one instead. SawStop isn't the best saw either.. all they did was setup a conduction test to stop the saw.. that's not really that amazing.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

It’s only amazing when you have an accident. Everyone pays car insurance.. you never need it till…ooops lol

[@LykMike]

When he said "all I saw was brown", I thought, oh hell no you didn't! 🤣🤣😂 2:33

[@befmx31]

That would've been the case for me I'm sure,

[@charlesmdasilva]

You should get rid of that kick backing piece of junk and give it to me. And you can keep the insert screw...

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Tried to get SawStop to get me a saw and have me do a side by side comparison , and I was going to give this away free to a subscriber, but they backed away after considering it. I’ve got this one tuned as best I can. Works fine, just has some bad design flaws that annoys the heck outta me..

[@mmgross144]

Sawstop is a great saw, but it wouldn't have prevented that kick back accident. It's safety system is aimed at blade contact with flesh, not in preventing kick back except for the inclusion of a riving knife.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Yes, I’m going to do another video just to explain why the anti kickback pawls on the guard make you not want to use the guard.

[@11211lcb]

The Sawstop might have prevented the kickback, it comes with a riving knife. And basically, the riving knife's only function is to help prevent kickback.

[@hobbes3]

I think people who own Harvey says the quality is better than SawStop, but obviously it doesn't have the finger detection technology lol.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

I’m hearing the exact same thing. I wish I had a Harvey distributer so I could demo their line and report my experience.

[@keithholt2989]

I had a delta unisaw and loved it until I cut the tip of my finger off. I bought a SawStop and also love it. The manuals are great. It is easy to square the table to your blade and the dust collection is pretty good. I would highly recommend theSawStop. You won’t be sorry.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Thank you..I’m getting mostly positives about the Saw Stop.

[@-ZIO]

I have a Saw Stop. I hate it. I wish I never bought it. My Dewalt made much more accurate cuts. At least that fence was square

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

What model do you have? What is it you don’t like about it. Post it here. Everyone should have the information before purchasing.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

My accident was actually on my Delta Unisaw that I loved. Back then, they didn’t come with a splitter insert (great device now) and the ply pinched on the backside of the blade. Definitely opened my eyes...

[@deanwilliams93]

Hear you. My rule for family is when I am in the shop and tools are running DO NOT ENTER.

[@bigjoe2458]

@@deanwilliams93 good advice or at least say don't talk to me.

[@jimweisgram9185]

@@deanwilliams93 my rule is if my wife wants to come in she flashes the lights off and on. It has never startled me, I think it works pretty well.

[@laigocustoms4965]

Man i know exactly what you are saying , i was about 15 we had an older Delta Unisaw in the Building trades Shop , probably a Early 70s model , this was 84 or 85 and i was ripping a 2 x4 that kicked back the same way , it knocked the breath out of me , a lot of the yournger guys may not realize just how hard those old saws could kick

[@amiddled]

@@jimweisgram9185 😂

[@jimfeaster4837]

Well you convince me to buy saw stop !

[@islandcharlie7132]

I am so glad I got a SawStop. I just love it, and until you get one that negative tone in your voice is not going to go away. You have to be happy or you are not going to be making anything.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

I think you’re right. Just replying to people reinforces the negatives, and you Saw Stop owners are grinning ear to ear...lol And you’re exactly right I’m not making things as much because of the hassles. It’s less enjoyable.

[@enzprintco.8625]

@@tupelowoodcarver1785 same here!!!

[@curtismann3649]

Agreed. Might as well bite the bullet. I’ve had mine for 5 years now. And have not had a single issue I don’t ever have to think about it at all. Once I dialed it in during instal it’s been dead accurate since with zero adjustments. Mine scratches easy tho just FYI. But I don’t mind scratches.

[@jeromelittle7075]

Saw stop is not that great, the accident you had would have happened anyway and if you had a saw stop then you would have destroyed your blade

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Yes but no matter what the accident with the blade you don’t lose body parts. True kickback was a common accident. A splitter would have prevented it. My saw lacked that feature.

[@TheNewenglandboys]

Wow, maybe I should do a video on the issues with my old Craftsman table saw that I bought brand new in 1991. It came with cast iron extensions that are still on it. I've used it for 30 years and it's still a good saw minus the modern safety features. The riving blade is built onto the blade guard so if you need to take the guard off, there's no riving knife. I've had a few near misses but fortunately nothing bad. About every 3 or 4 years I sand the cast iron table with 220 grit on an oscillating sander being careful to keep it flat and evenly paced. Then I use a good car wax to keep surface rust off and make my wood glide over it smoothly. I use a square against my miter gage and the blade for a sure 90° cut rather than rely on the miter gage increments. And I check the rip fence the same way with only a few thousands inch angle away from the blade on the exit end. I have built some nice cabinets, hope chests, gun cabinets etc with it and it's earned it's $300.00 price over these 30 years. Being alert and using keen awareness of safety is an absolute must with any table saw. When anyone speaks to me while its running, they get no reply until that cut is finished and the saw is off. My dust collector is my shop vac when I'm done. I Don't cry over sawdust on my cement floor. I vacuum it up. Now to your point, if I spent thousands of dollars on a super gold plated saw, I'd be bent out of shape over those nit picky things. Anyone thats used a table saw at some point has done some things with it that shouldn't have been done. But being extreamly aware every moment is the key. The moral of this story is, don't depend on a manufacturer of your tool. Just learn your tool and remember that it's your fingers, your body and only you can keep safe. Good video, and I can appreciate your concerns with the saw. I wish mine had the modern safety features but I can't afford a newer one. I'm getting older at almost 67 now so I have to be extra aware. Not as fast reaction time as yesteryear.

[@11211lcb]

Few if any American Brand table saws had riving knives until SawStop came out with theirs in the early 2000's. European saws have had riving knives for decades. If your American brand TS has a riving knife today you can probably thank SawStop.

[@TheNewenglandboys]

@@11211lcb like I said, mine has a riving blade built onto the blade guard. No idea when saw stop came out, matter of fact I never heard of them until this video but I bought my saw in 91

[@barge7619]

@@TheNewenglandboys That's not a riving knife. That's a splitter. While both items attempt to do the same thing (prevent kick back), they are not same device. Riving knives are safer, as they remain the same distance behind the blade regardless of blade height. Splitters, like the one on the 113, do not do that.

[@davehaggerty3405]

If I had money for a SawStop I would spend it on better shop lighting, Shelix heads for my planer and jointer and a Swedish workbench and maybe a shaper that has a router bit collet. I mean SawStop is ingenious. But so pricy. And it only eliminates one danger. And that is after my son-in-law split his middle finger right up to the second knuckle. Split it right down the center. Like he’d laid it out with a blueprint. The guy that owned the cabinet shop was scared he would get sued. He just paid the hospital bill. And that was that. And my son-in-law has a stiff middle finger. I’ll bet his boss wishes he’d bought a SawStop! Heck! I have a scar on my right index finger from a table saw. Still not convinced. That is a lot of money.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Lighting is a biggie for sure. I upgraded my lighting several years ago, added a shelix to my Jet jointer, and bought the Grizzly shaper and added the router collet. Love those Swedish workbenches, but don’t have one. I had said Saw Stop for quality build and safety, but it’s definitely big bucks… I just saw a Harvey table saw video, and for the money, I’d say it’s definitely worth a good look. No safety cartridge, but it looks as though it may serve the niche we are all looking for. Quality build, and nice features, with a great price! I’d have a look if you’re in the market…

[@davehaggerty3405]

@@tupelowoodcarver1785 it sounds like you have your shop together. No, I’m not shopping. I’m good with my old Grizzly 1023. I’m just saying I think some of this expensive “top-of-the-line” equipment is over hyped. I guess I’ll go to woodworking shows and see for myself.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

@@davehaggerty3405 wish we had shows close to me. We could look it over. Happy New Year

[@jeffgoldsmith1679]

I have the same saw and have been perfectly happy with it for years. I have the clearvue dust collector as well, I enlarged the hole is the table saw to 5” and the cabinet is always clean. I do agree on all your pet peeves though I was just dealing with it until I saw your video. Now I want a new saw. Lol

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Lol .. I was just looking at clear view myself, but as usual the only one I like from them is the big blue one. For some reason, that clear lexan like look doesn’t make me warm and fuzzy. I’m also looking at Oneida. But I’m sure as soon as I’m financially better of I’m jumping on the Saw Stop

[@cuebj]

But a good design need not have cost more in the first place and you shouldn't have to modify it so drastically

[@befmx31]

I have the clear one but it came with the larger fan blade. The thing works great. Loud but works great.@@tupelowoodcarver1785

[@befmx31]

Oh, I also have a Grizzly saw. It's the 771 though.

[@CraigularjJoeWoodworks]

This video doesn’t make sense… you didn’t pay for a high end saw, what were you expecting. Heaven forbid you get what you pay for. Laguna , Harvey, powermatic are the names you are looking for kiddo

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

I expected to get at least what I had on my Delta Unisaw that actually costed $800 less when I bought it. With your theory, everyone has to pay through the nose to get quality?? That would mean I could bid jobs at different rates…2X if you want decent work, 3X if you want above average work, 4X if you want my best work..

[@CraigularjJoeWoodworks]

@@tupelowoodcarver1785no, the video makes no sense because you didn’t have a script and it was rambling about severely diluted ideas. I don’t get why you would make a video if you were not prepared to present your opinions. If you can’t make videos 7 - 10 minutes didn’t it cross your mind that something is wrong? Do you want to watch 20 + minute videos… cut the crap

[@CraigularjJoeWoodworks]

@@tupelowoodcarver1785you should charge what is fair. Based on this video you are not gonna get much

[@olivepressdesign]

Thanks for sharing your experience . I ordered a Sawstop and while waiting until it was back in stock for them to ship it to me, I started looking into the Festool TS55 tracksaw and an MFT type table. How the system saves space, how my fingers aren’t near a blade, good dust control etc. So after some brief researching, I cancelled the Sawstop order and had them throw the money down the Festool rabbit hole instead, and for what it’s worth, I couldn’t be happier with the new mobile set up vs my previous “everything is centered around a huge table saw” approach.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

I’m actually looking at getting either the same system as you, or getting the kreg system.. Did you consider the Kreg in your choice? If not, what made you choose the Festool? Thanks

[@olivepressdesign]

@@tupelowoodcarver1785 I looked at the Kreg system briefly, but then started to concentrate on Festool. I really like that I could store and stack everything in Systainers. I also like that I could just create my own MFT table slab top and place that on sawhorses whenever I want to make any cuts while simultaneously using bench dogs for the MFT. This entire set up takes a few more minutes than what I was used to doing on my tablesaw but in general the entire system is just so much more convenient for me. Festool is very accurate, while Kreg seems to just be trying to do what Festool has been doing much longer.

[@guachochi1970]

@@tupelowoodcarver1785 festool is far superior than kreg Is like sawstop is superior than grisly

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Thanks. I’m probably going to get the Festool trac saw bc breaking down full sheets is getting really tough. I’m recovering from a torn rotator cuff, and this just seems sensible. Now should I get the 55 or 75? I’m leaning towards the 75

[@guachochi1970]

@@tupelowoodcarver1785 sorry to hear that. I got both of those machines the55 is a dream to break down sheet goods up to 1” the75 is on the heavier side i use for material 1”1/2 and up , i use my table saw now just for small rips or small material

[@jimfeaster4837]

Its better to save what You like this is the best ever video !

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Thanks…much appreciated.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

I just saw a new Laguna and I liked it as well. I know Laguna makes great products as well.

[@raid7866able]

I have the laguna f3 52 inch. Super great saw, I love it!

[@jaredwaters4633]

@@raid7866able awesome! That the saw I’ve got My heart set on. Hope to get it in the near future

[@andrewstott7880]

I heard on the laguna the distance from the front of the blade to the front of the table saw is very short; shorter than most cabinet saws.

[@gregghernandez2714]

For Christmas I am getting a new table saw. The two current contenders are the SawStop Contractor's model or the Laguna Fusion 2. Both appear to be excellent table saws.

[@govenr]

Consider Harvey Woodworking Tools if you can't afford a Saw Stop.

[@whynotcnc8828]

saw stop is over priced, not worth the hype

[@11211lcb]

Well, there is always an ill-informed person in the peanut gallery.

[@therep49er]

I like how you touched on so many details that were either not right or irritating. When you spend $2k + on a saw, the expectation is near perfection. Good video in my opinion!

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Thanks for the compliment. Glad it helped.

[@marcmakes1725]

Might have been said but Sawstop would NOT have prevented the accident described at the start. I do think it’s a relatively high quality saw compared to anything made by Grizzly

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Yes exactly

[@PAPSROYALAPIARY]

You made some very valid points there, especially since you have put in the time to earn the right to talk about the windfall of the grizzly saws; I got some bad news for you, I do have the saw stop, not just the 5hp, but the 3hp as well and stacked them back to back, the 3hp being the dedicated dado station, they work like a breeze, never had an issue with them, easy to tool them, change blades, etc; one still have to be careful and pay attention at all times when working on a table saw, even that the sawstop have the chip in them, I still practice the same safety approach as when I owned all powermatic line of tools; sawstop have some issues of their own, their side table is not all that great, but you work with it, you need a cyclone powerful dust collector when using cabinet saws, I bit the bullet and got a cleearview one, does wonders; sawstop got very slick and have an extension bendable tube from the blade housing to the outer connector that goes to the dust collector, that alone is ingenious as it sucks all dust coming off the blade, nothing escapes, even without the blade cover dust port, that only deal with the real floating particles that escape the inner suction system; At the time I got both, I wasn't really happy with the bill, but I knew that if I don't do it I will regret it over the years, I've been doing fine wood working for as long as I remember, including custom staircases of all designs one can imagine, so good tools is a must in those settings. Best of luck to you in the future, you can always fix your past mistakes, all it is to it, to want to, you caught the phrase where i mentioned I had the entire line of powermatic....those were not cheap, and still I swiped the those table saws for the sawstops, I owned the sliders before but didn't like tham because those have their own limits, only great for big sheets rips, that's all. Dan

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Pap, Thanks so much for the reply. Sounds like your the guy I’d like to work side by side with. I definitely need a cyclone. In fact I’ve just reached out to Oneida Air for a recommended system based on my shop layout. I’d like your input on your cyclone recommendations as well if you have more time. I had the old Delta, Powermatic, equipment which was the gold standard back then. I’m really glad you put your Saw Stop info in there. Buy once cry once? I should have listened to my inner voice over my pocket book, but it’s another lesson learned.

[@PAPSROYALAPIARY]

@@tupelowoodcarver1785 you sound like a good man, we all learn from our mishaps, lol; on some of my videos on my channel you can see the system I set up, too bad I speak in my native language, but I am sure you are intelligent and can figure things just by seeing it. Thanks for the reply. Dan

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

@@PAPSROYALAPIARY I’ll check it out today. Thanks again.

[@11211lcb]

An 1100 CFM non cyclone DC works just fine on my ICS SawStop. Good dust collection has more to do with the route between the saw and the collector than the collector. I have a 30' flex hose with a flared female end that connects to my TS, BS, and 15" planer with no breaks or gates.

[@befmx31]

If English isn't you native language, I commend you on your written comments.@@PAPSROYALAPIARY

[@MarkSWilliams27]

Good luck making your own zero clearance throat plate with a Saw Stop and that goofy lever thing.

[@treggliebler6237]

Great review, thankyou. I've wanted a Sawstop for years until I recently saw a review of the 4 horse Harvey. I highly recommend looking into one. Very high quality for $2000.00 less than a comparable Sawstop with only a 3 horse motor. It also comes standard with what many call the best miter gauge on on the market. Just my 2 cents. Goodluck with your next one!

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Just took a peek at that saw. Looks nice! Thanks for the tip..I’m going to seriously look at their line.

[@martinoamello3017]

Thought about it too, but the wait time for delivery was outrageous.. I don't suppose it's gotten much better over the past year?

[@marcmakes1725]

I've got one of those on order, should be here in March. I think the dovetail trunnion is the biggest selling point for me that should provide significant stability and accuracy. Next is the 4 horse motor. And you know, if you actually use the safety guards etc your chances of injury are much lower for any saw. The automatic features of the Sawstop are nothing to sneeze at but $$$

[@maxk5134]

I have mostly Grizzly and i like all of it. I considered the sawstop too, but i am glad i went with grizzly. Maybe you are just frustrated?

[@bigjoe2458]

My mother use to say, It only cost a nickel more to go 1st class.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Exactly...thanks

[@bigjoe2458]

@@tupelowoodcarver1785 would you by any chance live in the Tupelo Ms. area?

[@diversify210]

Honestly I dont think the saws quality is the problem, rather its your unreasonable expectations for what was at the time the cheapest 3hp cabinet saw on the market. It always amazes me how people expect far more out of a product than the money they can afford to spend will get them. I actually had 2 of these saws in my shop. One was setup solely for cutting dados as being a custom cabinet maker, I cut a lot of dados. I replaced them both for a couple of Harvey cabinet saws not to long ago. So I will say the fences that come with these saws are garbage. They just arent flat and there really isnt a viable way to flatten them as the warping is in the steel. So I just replaced them both with the Very Super Cool Tools extruded Aluminum fence. The extension table is also no good, but they can be easily made with some 3/4 MDF. If I remember correctly, at the time when I bought the two saws they were $1150 each. Cheapest 3hp cabinet saw on the market, so shortcomings were to be expected. Replacing the fence and the extension table still made the saws very much worth it, as the typical fine tuning of the saws is the only other thing I had to do them. SawStop Saws are not with out their shortcomings, but the fact that they cost 3 times more than these, those shortcomings would really piss me off. These were great saws for the money and they performed just as well as the Powermatic saw I had before these. You are just the type that will spend 100 bucks on a product and fully expect it to be the same quality as the 1000 dollar product. Its just unreasonable buddy. You need to check your expectations.

[@rmyukon]

I was REALLY close to getting a Grizzly 1023 or 0941. But after watching this video, I think i'm deciding to get a Saw Stop. You owe me $1500!!! LOL

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Lol Checks in the mail :)

[@johnpietros9439]

Screw saw stop. Overpriced crap

[@rmyukon]

@@johnpietros9439 Overpriced, maybe. But "crap?" It's the top of the line table saw. It's not crap. It is expensive. But what price do you put on your finger(s)? If you have to go to the emergency room and/or have surgery, that's going to cost more than the saw does. It's just an insurance policy. There in case you need it. And hope that you never do.

[@johnpietros9439]

It’s crap. Brain washed sheep.

[@rmyukon]

@@johnpietros9439 Do you have any examples of why you think it's crap? Curious to know what issues you've experienced or if you have a detailed video that describes the problem(s).

[@jsowoodworker1265]

Saw Stop is the same off shore manufacturing quality as the Grizzly.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Where are they made?

[@kumaclimber]

@@tupelowoodcarver1785 the Google machine says Taiwan

[@cuebj]

There's plenty of cheap and nasty US, UK, even German manufacturing. Also plenty of top class Chinese, Taiwan, Indonesian manufacturing. They all manufacture to the specification set by their contract. The brands set their standards according to what they think their market will bear. In UK, there has been a culture of buying cheapest while hoping for the quality of the best. That destroyed our car industry to benefit of Japan and Germany. A simple example was IKEA (yes, they had vastly superior quality for similar price and instant availability) blowing MFI away - and deservedly so.

[@ronweber4508]

A saw stop wouldn’t have saved you from that accident.

[@johnnorris1546]

He didn't say it would he only commented that safety has been a priority

[@richpalmisano1740]

Sell it brother...you sound really aggrevated. So just ditch it and get rid of the headache...

[@mellamoscott5250]

I would strongly suggest selling the saw. Buy you a saw that won't make you irritated every single time you deal with it.

[@zafarsyed6437]

Yeah, I've been there. Sadly no American made products anymore. But if you are forced to pay for quality Taiwanese products, Sawstop is the best

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Yes I really get upset that we don’t make anything here any more. I use a lot of tools that have been passed down for generations, and you can definitely tell the difference in the quality of a good American made product vs new Chinese garbage..

[@zafarsyed6437]

@@tupelowoodcarver1785 I've got 2 delta bandsaws, and 2 drill presses (1 each for metalworking and woodworking) all older than myself, with made in USA/America stickers/stamps. Although missing convenience of speed control, or some safety features, I know they'll probably last for decades more. However, having the safety features/ tech of sawstop retro-fitted to an older cast-iron USA made TS top, would be the ultimate upgrade... which sadly will never happen. And we're forced to buy overseas products w/ varying price points. So, eventually so much stuff will be made overseas, raising their minimum wage, and causing the cost of transit to America overcome the "manufacturer" 's profit margins. They'll start building again in America, but by then, the USA unfortunately won't be the #1 consumer of goods... Sorry, I think I started ranting... but how I wish we kept manufacturing in the USA and kept the quality and customer service high...

[@KWise-sr4ml]

@@tupelowoodcarver1785 I thought the Powermatic is made in USA?

[@KWise-sr4ml]

Isn't Powermatic made in USA?

[@zafarsyed6437]

@@KWise-sr4ml They manufactured in TN, but after 2010, I haven't seen a single product from powermatic that says "Made in USA". The same company that owns Jet (possibly supplies Grizzly w/ their parts), owns Powermatic- JPW Industries Inc. also owns Wilton, Baleigh Industrial tools, and if you're into metal working, they also own Edwards Manufacturing. I think only Baleigh and Edwards are made completely in the USA. Maybe Powermatic makes parts and accessories in their TN location. If you see something made here w/ a manufacturer date after 2010, do let me know...

[@python3574]

So, you wanted to save some bucks and went with arguably the world's most well known bang-for-the-buck table saw, now complain about all the things that make it a less expensive option, most of which are extremely minor issues and can be overcome. It sounds like you're just looking for things to not like about the saw because you want to be one of the cool kids with a SawStop. Spoiler alert: SawStop is NOT all that. Yes, the novel safety mechanism is a separation factor, but you're statements about the quality of the saw, the materials, etc... are just that......statements from somebody who is trying to justify to himself why he should get it, but not somebody who has spent hours using one. It's just a saw, you're way overthinking it. There's a LOT of good saws out there. They're just not all over-hyped and over-marketed.

[@jonathand5883]

Wow, I have the same saw and you pointed out every thing that bothers me too! I should have spend the money on the sawstop as well. My biggest complaint is the fence, drives me nuts that it moves when it is tightened down and that the plastic in the fence has dips and valleys in it. May have to change it out like you did. I've managed to "fix" the poor dust collection design by taping/ plugging all the holes and voids around the cabinet for a better seal. Overall though I think for under $1000 its a pretty solid saw. thanks for the video.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Yeah the fence took a lot of time to get right. That white plastic is just horrible. Like you said it’s not flat and you will never get them flat. That’s why I made the corian ones. The guard and insert drive me nuts. The saw is not really useless, it just needs sooo much work to get satisfactory. And satisfactory is a big sacrifice. I’m going to sell mine and get a SawStop as soon as I save more $$

[@hessrk]

So…your video and all these comments…all you had to say was, “Don’t buy Grizzly.” Nothing more. I hear you.

[@lewisway6811]

I just ordered the Laguna Fusion F2 1-3/4HP 1PH 110 / 220V Table Saw.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Let me know how you like it. I liked the aluminum fence, and the looks of the saw, but I haven’t been able to physically see one yet, as I’m in a rural area.

[@lewisway6811]

@@tupelowoodcarver1785 Will do.

[@travisjaroszewski9899]

Does the word "Nit pick" come to mind with this vidieo,,,,,,,?

[@ronweber4508]

It’s hard to go to one job every once in a while that gives you heartburn. But to go to your own work everyday...

[@_Akicita_]

Frustrations are results of mismanaged expectations. . .

[@Aduhwan]

Thank you for your thorough review of your Grizzly saw. I’m a member of a woodworking club where the members purchased a Sawstop for the club shop. This saw is a joy to use. I’m going to save up the money and buy one in a few years. Best of luck with your journey toward owning your Sawstop.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Thank you.. I also used to belong to several different clubs..woodturners, carving, furniture makers. Great places to meet nice people and learn from others.

[@sambgroovy123]

Holy Crap, I couldn't finish the video. The whining and complaining was too much. If you don't like the saw sell it and get over it.

[@albertodijols1671]

Thank you god bless you in the name of Jesus Christ 🙏✝️amen✝️🙏

[@kenday7942]

Ok - so what we have here is about a half hour of griping.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Yes, with detailed reasons as to why..guess I should have had a music selection for entertainment…hmm

[@kenday7942]

@@tupelowoodcarver1785 I realize that - and I probably should not be so negative. I apologize for that. But it did sound like just a long series of things that might have been better summed up by a quick statement to the effect that there were a bunch of things and that you do not recommend. Your presentation was good as far as you’ve got a very easy voice to understand and that’s a very good thing - and a good pace too. I’ll look for more from you; meantime just take what I said as a stab at some corrective input from me.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

It was long. I get hammered for it a lot, but trying to film on an iPhone and do the commentary takes longer. I apologize. Basically it an ok saw above the price I would pay if ever done again. I like woodworking not tweaking and adjusting. The quality just isn’t there. I would look at Harvey, Jet , ect. My delta Unisaw never let me down and if I could buy it back I would. Sorry I was long on the video ..

[@sps144]

I dont think it is right that people bash grizzly on quality and compare it to a brand that is twice the cost...something has to give when you pay less for an item...

[@thomascarhart928]

Almost cut my thumb off sold saw bought a sawstop And I have never looked back!!

[@kobe1980]

So you basically bitching about buying a saw you didn’t research. When you complain about the blade insert, that tells me you never probably even looked at it. Crazy.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

No I couldn’t get to China to see it. Obviously you don’t realize people live in rural areas… it’s ok though. Thanks for the stupid comment

[@williamroozenboom3269]

While watching this video....another video at the bottom of my screen, recommended by KZbin was someone reviewing the Sawstop & how disappointing the saw was. Appears there is no "cure-all" answer.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Hmm didn’t see that one. Do you have a link?

[@jimdoane1362]

You are comparing a $1400 saw to a $4000 saw and a sawstop would not have stop your accident.

[@keiradillon7229]

the whole point of sawstop is you don't need all those guards to be safe. The saw stop fence is the equivalent of the beismeyer fence. We had two sawstops. The last saw spot i bought was used primarily used for lumber ripping. I had rockwell 5hp threephase table saw. a very good table saw. never did one repair in thirty years of use but didnt have the safety features of a sawstop. also a very smooth saw. Anyways I took the unifence of the rockwell and put on the sawstop. a very good combo to ripe lumber. ps the first sawstop probably saved my partners finger.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

I really liked my old Delta Unisaw with the Beismeyer fence. I still have the Grizzly, but hurricane Idalia took the roof off my shop and it got a bath. Glad the SawStop wasn’t in there or I woulda been really upset. Cleaned up the Grizzly and it has war wounds but it still works.

[@carlosaugustosoutopimentel6779]

Meu sonho é uma igual a esta 😍 Mais aqui não tem 😞 Eu também não tenho dinheiro 💰😞

[@joelnowland2196]

If the accident your describing was a kickback then SawStop tech will not protect you. The antkickback fingers on a blade guard might if they are built strong enough. With 5 horse motor antikickback fingers won't even save you. I've been using a cabinet type table saw for 40+ years now and have always used the rule of never push wood through the saw or clear wood from behind the blade with your fingers and always keep several push sticks on the saw top. Besides there are other machines in a wood shop as dangerous as a table saw and all with no blade stop tech.

[@wildbill23c]

If you can afford it buy a sawstop...otherwise that table saw will work perfectly fine. I want a sawstop but for 3x the cost the Grizzly will work just fine for my needs....somewhat of an upgrade from my Ridgid TS3612. Eventually a sawstop will end up in my shop, but for the time being I purchased a Grizzly G0771Z hybrid saw.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Perfectly said. Budget is key. If you can afford a SawStop then why not? But if not then the Grizzly will do. I hear the new hybrids come from a different manufacturing facility than my saw model, and their quality assurance there is better as well. Stay safe, and enjoy woodworking…it’s a great hobby or trade

[@williambranham6249]

Hand saws, chisels and hand planes. The chisel is most likely to cause harm.

[@MacShipley]

Good comments. Maybe try a Harvey. Great saw, very very happy. Excellent quality....get what you pay for.😊

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

I’ve heard great things about Harvey. I live in the sticks, and don’t really know of anywhere to demo one. I’m going to look harder. Thanks

[@Mr394053]

I'm considering the Harvey

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

I think the Harvey is an excellent choice. I really like their product. If the safety aspect of Saw Stop is not your priority, then the Harvey would be my personal choice. I wish I could get to cut on one, just to get some first hand experience with the Big Eye fence.

[@carney731]

I've come close to buying a Grizzly table saw so many times thinking maybe I'll get lucky and not get one of their lemons. The problem is that there are just too many Grizzly lemons. The risks are simply too high, and like a casino the house always wins. Thanks for posting this video! It cured me of my irrational temptations to gamble with quality. Spend the money because the costs of subpar equipment are far more expensive.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Thanks..you’re spot on. That’s what makes Grizzly a “risk”. Get a lemon and you get to work with their customer service, wait on parts, and then fix it. Their customer service I have to say was really great. It’s just the quality control of units and parts that makes it a gamble. I’d rather be woodworking than constantly working on the machinery… Thanks for the rational comment.. best of luck on your selection.

[@jamesjames3779]

Sounds like an old man complaining about old man things. Is it really that impactful to remove a screw or flip up the anti kickback? Geeze buddy.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

For the hobbyist it’s ok, but if you’re doing it 8-10 hrs a day it really gets annoying. I bet you can’t guess how many times that little screw falls in the saw cabinet…lol

[@ericpolson137]

Whine whine whiner. You should've done your homework first. You got three pieces of equipment for the price of one.......

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Incorrect Mr. Know It All !! Two pieces of equipment for the the price of one and the planer shipped with a bad gearbox gasket resulting in disassembly of the gearbox and replacement of the gasket, refill with oil, and that couldn’t be done until the part arrived. Kind of hard to do homework on things you can’t see and inspect because every freakin thing comes from CHINA where there’s no quality control. The video was made for others to learn from my mistakes. I love it when people have to make degrading comments on videos…sitting on their behinds whining themselves about a video they could have clicked off of and moved on..!

[@robertlewis2680]

Saw this on another KZbin video. If you still have this table saw. The height difference of the table extensions is caused by the washers of the connecting bolts. The washer diameter is too big and pushes it up raising it about ten thousandths. Try either removing them and using the lock washer only or grinding them down. This enabled the extensions to become flush with the main table. Hope this helps.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Thank you. I’m going to try it and hopefully it works..thanks again

[@jumpingjacks5558]

I believe everyone is going to find positives and negatives. There is no such thing as the perfect table saw or power tool. Reviews can be biased. The gentleman in this video gave an honest and complete review showing how things work or put together. I believe "sawstop" offers a kind of peace to the user. The user could develop bad habits and trust issues. While Sawstop has been promoting it's saw's capabilities especially when someone touches the saw the blade is immediately stopped. I haven't looked at other positive or negative videos as of yet. Sawstop is pretty expensive but I do not feel ripped off that i bought this exact saw. It meets my requirements. If there is a big negative about the saw, I will tackle it then. I appreciate the author's remarks on this video.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Thank you for being honest. While it seems very negative, it was an honest engineering review. Their equipment serves a market point well, and newer models may be better. I still use the saw and make furniture. It just needs a lot of TLC.. but it works.

[@danwilliams6787]

I had some issues with my first Grizzly and was able to work through them. What this guy does not realize is that even the saw stops are junk and based on his demeaner no saw would be good enough for him. G0690 was not discontinued due to issues. Like one guy mentioned.... OMG cry me a river dude.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Being a former engineer both civil and military probably doesn’t make me as qualified as the internet god yourself. Saw Stop is junk? No reasons why? Blank statements do you no justice. I pointed out obvious design and function issues. If you didn’t like the video the click on another…oh that’s right, you had to OMG cry me a river on it! I really don’t give a rats ass what you think. Keep clicking and posting useless comments..happy new year oh god of the internet.

[@clayed3311]

Saw stop doesn’t prevent kick back. You said so yourself your assuming saw stop is better. You haven’t tried them. Sounds like you need to go back to Rockwell Delta.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Old saws didn’t have splitter..most new saws do. I don’t have to worry about the switch .. Hurricane Idalia got it I’m researching heavily before my next purchase. Best of woodworking to you.

[@sonofabutcher7003]

I ordered the saw stop contractor model a couple of days ago. It will be an upgrade from my current Bosch job-site saw which is an okay saw but it has its limitations. I’m retired and a wood working enthusiast. The older I get the more I too think about safety. I made it this far with all of my appendages and I plan to keep things that way. At this stage of the game, IMO. it’s worth a few hundred $$ more to buy safer equipment. I’d hate to think what the medical bills would be for reattaching severed limbs…then there’s the life-long regret that would go with it.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

That’s exactly where I sit on this myself. People don’t like to admit their mistakes..there’s an old saying “people have ten fingers, and they all point away from themselves”. The guy with nine is saying..”I should have bought a SawStop”… smart move..enjoy and stay safe!

[@JeffDenig]

Trying to think of how the Saw Stop would have prevented the Kickback?

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Any newer saw actually would have had a riving knife, so Saw Stop would have been just one of those. I just wished I would have put my money to a better brand saw. Saw Stop was my first choice, and Harvey, Delta coming in close second.

[@jvmiller1995]

It don't take much to mess up. I had dropped my table saw fence in the floor once. It was on a shopsmith 510 taken off and set on the end table but not locked on it. Well I nocked it off when using the cross cut sled. Any way I wet back to ripping and placed the fence on the table, but only now the fence as miss aligned and it was tapered in to the blade as I pushed my board through. I was cutting a board about 8 to 10 inches long 5 inches wide. I was not using a push stick. ( I know bad Idea) I had done this 1000 times before with no issue. As my little short board passed though the back of the blade it was rejected. My ring finger and pinky was wrapped around the fence as I was taught. This saved my hand from getting into a blade but my thumb was pushing it through and the kick back Jammed the board into my thumb bending it backwards as the corner of the board took a chunk of skin 1/4 in deep down the side of my thumb. It was my bowling thumb too and even after healed it was a lot bigger around than ever before and still is way bigger than my left hand. I had to re-drill my bowling balls to fit my thumb. LOl. It still bothers me and is full of arthritis. I can't Afford a sawstop and even if I could I do not have the space. I am in a 1 car garage. I actually love my Shopsmith.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Sorry to hear about your mishap. Just goes to show.. it can happen to anybody, even the most experienced. I had a shopsmith when I got started. Wasn’t a bad machine, but changing stations got old, and I moved out of it after several years. Did a lot of work on that thing, and the thing I miss about it was being able to horizontally drill on it. Stay safe, and enjoy the hobby

[@indyvin]

This review takes nitpicking to a new level. You want Rolls Royce quality at a bargain price. You keep mentioning SawStop which costs three times the price of the Grizzly. If you don't like the screw in the throat plate, don't use it. The table extensions are cast iron. Of course the will be scratched by a steel tool. I have the Shop Fox, which is virtually the same saw. It has some of the issues you mention, but nothing that has kept me from enjoying working with the saw for the last 10 years.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Once again..I’m comparing this to a 1990 Delta Unisaw. The SawStop would be my choice if I had to do it all over again. The screw cannot just be taken out bc the insert will not sit flush without it. The table is a cheap cast…that is not milled flat, took days to force into an acceptable position, and if you need to do maintenance on the belts, it nothing but a “pita”. My Delta cost $1400 in 1990. The Grizzly was $2200, and I’ve added thing to make it better which adds more$$. Can you work on this saw? Yes you can. It’s just manufactured cheaply and with the worst quality control. The company however is great on trying to fix these issues…all you have to to do is look in my shop at the other 4 fences and auxiliary tables that arrived damaged. I’m just trying to let people know what their $2200 will get them. I’d spend the $$ and get a better saw. Just my opinion and you know what they say about that.. lol Thanks for your comment

[@blakekimmel1200]

Omg, he has to unscrew a whole fastener and then , of all the horrors, hr has to screw it back in.. geez, crap people complain about these days. Be happy you have a saw of that quality, and quit complaining about stupid stuff, I have prayed every night for several years and I have prayed I get the opportunity to earn enough money so that I could comfortably purchase a saw like the one you have. I would be unbelievably grateful if I had a saw like that, even if it had the so called problems yours does.. im betting saw stops and unisaws have there own fair share of issues, and just like yours they will have strengths... just saying you should try and be thankful that you are able to have such nice tools. When people like me have a very basic grizzly TS from 2000, a very basic delta planer from around 2000, and a craftsman industrial router stand and no jointer to speak of, and I'm thankful that I have these crappy tools, even though they usually are causing me headaches in one way or another, I have them at least and I worked hard to get them.just enjoy ur stuff, don't stress the small stuff.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Contact Saw Stop or Harvey and get them to ship a saw for me to demo, and you can have this one!! I’ve worked hard all my life and served my country with honor, and yes pray daily too, but it doesn’t change the fact “if you spend your hard earned money” on this saw you’ve been had by another Chinese company that tried to duplicate a quality piece of equipment that had been made in the USA. You’re complaining about the inability to get anything as much or more than I am the problems with the saw…Work harder, save more, and get something better!!

[@MachinedInWood]

Lol, you said that the table saw “picked you up and threw you against the back wall”…. That is the bullshitiest thing I’ve ever heard.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Except it’s totally true! Had I not had a full can of Copenhagen in my pocket, I might have broken a hip. Sounds like bs but for years after that I would hesitate before cutting a full sheet. The sheet of ply had a huge “j” in it after that accident.

[@markkulyas2418]

The old saying, you get what you pay for. There's a reason it's cheap. What burns me is when you buy the So called best and its not, things today are just not built like they were in the 40's and 50's. They use plastic today and back in the old days everything was metal. You want the best go buy a Northfield.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

So true. Never heard of that brand. I’m going to look it up. Thanks for the tip

[@Patrick-kc5ur]

I don't care which brand of saw you use, even Saw Stop, a kickback will not occur as you described when you use the riving knife. It prevents the work from coming away from the fence at the rear and rising up and over the blade to return back at you. It's just that simple.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Yes agreed. My saw did not have a riving knife. Accidents on SawStop saws save digits…it’s that simple as well.

[@Todjcam]

This guy buys a “budget” saw and expects the same quality as a saw stop 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Maybe you got that out of the video title, but actually I was comparing this saw to my 1990’s delta unisaw that I bought for $1400. It wasn’t even close to the quality of my old saw. I was trying to point out the flaws if this newer saw and let everyone know if you’re going to spend $2200 on a Grizzly, just save your money and buy a better saw. SawStop would have been my choice, or maybe a Harvey.

[@jack8box]

I bought a Sawstop 3hp PCS with the sliding crosscut table and router table in the 36" extension. I can balance a nickel on the table and start and stop the saw without it moving. I never use the blade guard because I find it gets in the way more than it helps. I wouldn't trade this saw for any thing. Most of my other equipment is Grizzly and l'm well pleased with the way they perform. I went with the Sawstop because the table saw is the one tool that I use multiple times every day. No regrets with any of my purchases. The planer and jointer work great with no snipe, the 17" bandsaw cuts very well, and the drill press does its job.

[@LiloUkulele]

I have an old grizzly contractor saw from the 80's...added balanced machined pullies and segmented belt...hums, no vibration. added a U50 fence and a side extension with a Jessum lift...It was a great little work center. Had to use thin kerf blades because of the motor size. Looking for an upgrade...it will be my last saw. If a SS trips do I need to order a new cartridge?...I'm retired in Mexico...How long does that take to order???...Would anyone compare a SawStop to a Felder or Hammer?????

[@jack8box]

@@LiloUkulele I haven't tripped my saw but I bought an extra cartridge when I got the saw. You do have to replace the cartridge when it trips but that's not a big deal considering the alternative!

[@markcopeland4344]

90 percent of accidents in wodworking shops are caused by a messy unclean shop or not paying attention to your work area. I cannot afford 2500 dollars for Saw Stop my Delta 725 is great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

I absolutely loved my Unisaw!! It wasn’t the saw, it was a slight distraction. I only paid $1500 for that saw brand new and loaded!

[@Bloodgt3]

I truly think sawstop is overrated, and mabey I'm just saying that because I can't afford it. But I think even if I could afford it I would probably choose powermatic

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

I’m not set on a Saw Stop, it was just my second option. Powermatic makes excellent tools, but their saw is relatively the same price without the safety feature.

[@normansulaica6953]

Reality check, all table saws are dangerous. Kick back happens. It happened to me. All we can do is proceed and use all safety steps.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Agreed..stay safe

[@paddlefaster]

I know this is an older video but I don't understand what you expected from a grizzly? Had you read some reviews on it before you purchase it? For $500 more you could have had a harvey or an Oliver. Unless you're really worried about cutting a finger off sawstop is not worth the money. It has many of the flaws you pointed out on this saw and quite frankly I would never own one because I don't think it's stocks up to the old unisaw or Harvey. Grizzlies are what they are, mid-grade tools built to be affordable.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Yeah loved my old Unisaw .. thought Taiwan and Chinese would be comparatively the same…wrong.. Thanks and happy woodworking

[@MAGAMAN]

The amount of crying over making poor choices in this video is unbearable. This guy would be crying even if he had bought the sawstop.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Disappointing for a Trumper…Never complained about my Delta Unisaw. Bc it was a JOY to work on. Stop drinking Bud and you’ll see things differently…lmao

[@truthserum5202]

You should dump the Grizzly and purchase a Harvey. They are much more money and you get the overhead dust extraction, plus a $300 Compass miter gauge - both included in the price.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

I just watched a video on the Harvey saw. I must admit, you get a lot of bang for your buck. I like this saw, but have not had a chance to see it anywhere. I will be looking into this company for future tools. Excellent suggestion thanks..

[@warrenmaker798]

First 3 min is how every person shouls approach a table saw. WITH FEAR. I have had 2 emplyees take fingers off in a heartbeat,! It takes 2 seconds of loss of concentration

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Exactly. Seemed like a fraction of a second.

[@ok-hd4so]

i have a sawstop, its their top model ics. the iron is just a soft as the grizzly.and the fence face is trash laminate. however everything else great.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Thanks for the info.

[@gman2031]

Thank you! I was so close to pulling the trigger on a grizzly. I wouldn’t be happy either.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Glad I could help. It’s not impossible to work on, but if you’re going to spend hard earned money I’d invest elsewhere. I’m hearing great things about Harvey, but I can’t get to see one.

[@vernoncrown]

I often wonder of the manufacturers ever try, or test, their products before putting them on the market. This is not just with saws, but so many other things too. The flaws you have pointed out, particularly the dust evacuation system, make me wonder if there are any woodworkers in the engineering department. I know the owner of the company is quite an accomplished guitar maker, so he should know about woodworking machinery, but wonder if he spends too much time "at the desk".

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

Yes, exactly. This could be a great machine for the price, but the lack of simple engineering concepts and quality control issues makes it a second pick at best. I have fixed most of the issues from the factory and use this saw daily, but I haven’t fixed the dust collection problems on the motor access door and pick up port as of yet.

[@anderoria1893]

Thanks Tupelo. Your money had no fault. Grizzly should change the machine. It is a shame for this company not to review in detail the quality of their machines.

[@agdtec]

I see the reason for safety consciousness but by using other tools and jigs you can work just as safe at a much more budget minded cost. I cut up plywood with a track saw and use the table saw to cut smaller more manageable pieces with crosscut sled for added safety. When the patent runs out on the saw stop and there are many competitors making the saws. Saw stop will most likely drop the price. I have been wood working in my family shop since i was about 10 years old and nobody in my family lost any digits, but I see the safety advantage and If i was able to afford the new saw I would consider that technology, but as things stand now I will keep using the old delta.

[@tupelowoodcarver1785]

I too have recently bought a track saw (Makita corded version), and I absolutely love it. Saw Stop is priced very high, but it’s made very well. My old Delta Unisaw was a tank, and I’d take it back in a minute if I could. I haven’t been able to afford to buy it as well. Stay safe and thanks for contributing.