Doctor Who: Rogue REVIEW | Review of Death

[@whatsup4825]

Finally, vindication for those six hours trying to watch The Scream of the Shalka on a low-bandwidth computer back in 2003.

[@johncarter579]

Also the face of the great intelligence..hmm.

[@adamfreddo5703]

I will give this season one thing, the difference of people's opinions of rankings across the board is staggering. Like you could say Boom and 73 yards are the ones that people mention most, but then there are people who say Dot and Bubble or Rogue is their favourite.

[@venomz7682]

I live in Bristol and have never seen Paul Mcgann. Would be great to.

[@Gooner184]

I'm with Johnny, thought the episode was largely garbage. Tbh I'm quite disappointed at the whole season so far, I was really excited about RTD's return at first but he seems to have lost his touch.

[@TheFunkyJawa]

So both leads in 'Withnail and I' have officially been the Doctor. Momentous moment for the ages.

[@penfold7455]

Here's my take on romance on "Doctor Who": I agree that you shouldn't have the Doctor getting romantically involved with ANYONE, regardless of gender. See, I think the right thing is to put the romance in the show on the companion, either with other companions (Amy and Rory during 11's time) or with outside peripheral regular characters (Bill with Heather, or Clara with Danny Pink during 12's time). That would allow the Doctor to be more like the lone alien traveler they're meant to be. ...oh, and also agree that 15's constant crying in each episode really cheapens things when it actually comes up during a warranted scene. I just hope RTD gets some notes on that from the BBC/Disney+ studios so that he can get Ncuti to reign that in next series.

[@booradley8895]

Rogue was an amalgamation of family of blood/girl in the fire place/the empty child and Captain Jack Harkness

[@stephenreed2093]

There’s a bit of Ghost Light in there too.

[@nathanadlerinc2790]

It was an amalgamation of shite, woke, child grooming and vomit

[@forcedalek]

That cut off at the end made me CHOKE ON MY FOOD HAAHAH

[@nathanthomas5133]

If theres a Pertwee connection maybe it’s like Carnival of Monsters & they’re inside a scanner/tv.

[@stephenreed2093]

I had thought that. Or maybe someone’s got a bit of the Kronos crystal and is messing with time.

[@edeffects]

As a long time gay fan who has grown up mostly on New-Who, so I'm fine with and used to The Doctor being in relationships and have been waiting for this kind of romance in the show for a long time, I found Rogue to be an incredibly moving and absolutley beautiful romance story with a fun sci-fi B plot. I loved seeing The Doctor and Rogue interact and bounce off each other as their chemisty grows through the story and I found their dance and kiss scenes to be two of the most beautiful moments in the show's history. At least they were for me. I also enjoyed the Aliens essentially being toxic fans, gatekeeping who is and isn't who and always wanting to be the "interesting one" As a side note, I also find it very funny that I came away with this very emotional and personally touching feeling from the episode while Matt essentially got, from the same piece of media; "don't care, don't like seeing the Doc kiss" lmao

[@JoshSnares]

"Any old git with an equity card can play the doctor" is coming into play, who cares anymore!! The role of 'The Doctor' is so unimportant now. Anyone and everyone can be the Doctor. I don't want to be the Doctor, I want to be the companion!! THE SKY IS FALLING etc etc on that note - I loved the episode, and wonderful podcast love u boys xoxo

[@jeremythomaswebb1485]

Same here! I always wanted to be the companion :D

[@charliemersonwrightashby]

While I don’t always agree, I’ll never not respect Jonathan’s upfront earnest opinion. Love it!

[@drzaius2433]

Richard E Grant can now be my favourite Doctor officially! Absolutely thrilled🎉 surprised tou chaps were not chatting about it for ages!

[@MylesD1]

Just not for me this week lads but I did enjoy seeing all the Doctors holograms when the new Captain Jack scanned Nurse What 😂 Looking Forward to seeing Mel next week & is it a Daemon or a Chronovore that Susan Twist could be moderately excited but will it be short lived 🤔

[@jamiestevens3074]

Bit concerning that the two best episodes of this series are the ones not written by the showrunner. Reminds me of series 11 discourse!

[@ftumschk]

To offer a counterpoint, "Rogue" is the only episode I haven't liked up to now.

[@nathanthomas5133]

Think you forgot to say ‘in my opinion’ since the majority of comments I’ve read are the opposite of yours 😅

[@MuseBySecrecy]

Actually, “black aristocracy” as it has been contemporary categorised had existed for centuries before, but was most prominent in 18th century Britain and France. 🤓

[@rrstows3522]

Don't think so . Show me a the evidence,say at the court of king Edward the first

[@MuseBySecrecy]

@@rrstows3522 Nathaniel Wells owned 2,200 acres of land by the early 1800s, was the son of a nobleman father and a slave mother.

[@MuseBySecrecy]

@@rrstows3522 Cesar Picton was a mansion owning merchant, who’s home still prominently stands today.

[@MuseBySecrecy]

@@rrstows3522 Bill Richmond attended the coronation of King George IV.

[@MuseBySecrecy]

@@rrstows3522 Mary-Louise Coidavid was queen of Haiti and lived in Britain for a time toward the abolishment of slavery.

[@CastellanSpandex]

Thank God for Johnny. He says it how it is.

[@ainsleyelliott5840]

Rogue I thought was okay. I like the premise, the characters and the dialogue but I thought the execution was a bit wonky. Also, it is starting to get repetitive with Ncuti crying. I didn't mind it at first but this episode really did highlight the need to cut back on that for me.

[@bigblackdrummachine8250]

thing is , i felt here the tears were justified but the fact he’s cried in literally every episode before made it so this time, where him crying would’ve been justified and impactful, was just meaningless because he cries so much anyway

[@ainsleyelliott5840]

@@bigblackdrummachine8250 I agree 100%. Last week, his crying makes sense and him crying over Rogue I can get behind but because it's happened so much in other episodes the impact just isn't there for me. I don't mind a Doctor crying, just keep it more reserved.

[@johncarter579]

Mrs Flood of ..

[@Lightning1998JBD]

Wasn’t Omega, Rassilon and The Other supposed to be the three founders of Gallifrey?? That’s a Omega connection to 3 also the other is believed to be a version of the Doctor so maybe it’s something to do with that??

[@neilroberts6213]

I bumped into McGann outside the Galleries, got an autograph.

[@PanelHopper]

I really like this one again. It’s starting to make me a little nervous, having so many enjoyable episodes in a row. It’s not yet reached the heights of series 3, but it’s definitely going well. It definitely helps to have the fan flavouring of a canonical Shalka Doctor! Love that, can’t wait for you guys to revisit that one on the podcast. I also rewatched your older video on it when I saw the Easter egg. PS. Don’t give up on the show Matt! The podcast is great, and I always enjoy it. Remember, however anyone might feel about the show, we are only one regeneration away from it being different.

[@David_Burgess27]

Thank you guys 😄

[@drwhotvwam]

People are saying it's the first sand sex interracial kiss on BBC TV, but red dwarf got there years ago 😂 Another good review guys. I enjoyed this episode, I'm glad we saw the TARDIS interior, we haven't seen that amazing set in ages

[@Dyllusionn]

I’m not really a fan of Doctor-related romances much to begin with, but his interest in Rogue didn’t really feel realistic. Most of the characteristics are things he didn’t like about Jack (like the usage of guns to quickly finish a job for instance) and he and Rogue barely knew a thing about each other. Idk it felt a bit too superficial for me and forced. If this developed over time after multiple episodes featuring Rogue, that would be more believable. (Posting this before fully watching so hopefully I’m not just echoing what you guys said)

[@raludomrellim6913]

I really think RTD should of had the "guts" (a bit harsh) to just make Rogue Captain Jack, and that Jack is so vein he found a wrinkle and went for a face change and perhaps because he was jealous the Doctor can do that.

[@hellsw0rth]

Looking forward to a deep dive of Shalka tbh. And Billy is right about the NZ connection. I used to live in a place where I had a view of Ruspehu from my living room window (or ra-pay-hoo) as it was horrifically pronounced 😂.

[@gwaunch1967]

Did anyone else notice that high-pitched whining sound when Matt talked? It was almost like the hum that old CRTs have. It wasn’t unlistenable but I did find it a bit distracting.

[@jamesa.fitzpatrick1566]

Wow your review is so in line with my thoughts. Excellent.

[@tidmouthmilk12]

My thoughts on the sacrifice ending bit was that maybe because the limit of the trap was six having seven in there made it cancel out or something? Kinda wish more stuff would just be explained though. Russell's really going for a show don't tell angle for this series and I wish he wouldn't because idiots like me want to keep up! 😅

[@lewgallagher463]

What I enjoy most about the show recently is the shit you two and Johnny come out with after it airs.

[@andrewlawless9796]

gents can u accept the alt sonic is pink not red?

[@alexhouston2543]

So y'all called it with the Egypt take

[@alexhouston2543]

Y'all were wrong but bravo

[@50l12]

1:17:17 oop

[@ohmydinosare]

I thought the episode was fine, it didn't really make much of a splash with me. What would be the "main" plot in any other episode, the aliens stuff, was very mid, it was kind of thin wishy washy stuff. The whole episode really relies on how taken you are with the doctor/rogue romance bit and... it was kind of nothing? Like the doctor flirts with him from nowhere (not a fan of that, tbh, sees an attractive stranger and immediately goes off to hit on them feels very undoctorish) then he spends ages holding the doctor prisoner, then the pretend to be romantic as a diversion, then they kiss at the end, there was no real feeling of any substance there throughout the episode. Everyone talking about their chemistry, I really wasn't feeling it particularly, any more than there was chemistry between 10 and max capricorn, or any other sort of mostly adverserial pairing where the interactions are kind of bantery. TBH I'm not a fan of the trope in serialised television where there's a one episode romance between a main cast member and a guest star, you know it's going to be finished by the end of the episode, so they need something really big besides that to make that predictable journey feel worth taking, and for me this episode didn't have that hook. At least girl in the fireplace had some timey wimey before that was done to death and an interesting monster idea and kind of reflections of the inherent tragedy found in the passage of time. This had birds doing cosplay.

[@bi-product]

GOD, is Teaspoon and an Open Mind still up?

[@johncarter579]

For me, when you make the Doctor themselves the romantic lead, the show goes from being eccentric to rather conventional.

[@theauthor1238]

It really disturbs me how identical you and your brother sound...has anyone else ever pointed it out?

[@FreeTheDonbas]

If you like this you'll like anything

[@julieanngoodwin30]

I enjoy these podcasts much more than this series actual episodes . I hope they aren't going to crap all over Classic Who with this finale. The Doctor saves the universe with the power of tears.

[@alexhouston2543]

So maybe bubble wasn't really commenting on racism and maybe it's a class thing

[@stephenreed2093]

The issue with colour blind casting is that it’s a business decision within the industry to align with anti-discrimination employment law. If you’re going to do a historical setting, you should choose a period or event where an ethnic mix existed. They should also set more stories outside of the UK and British history. At the moment, Doctor Who can’t decide whether it’s a tool for social change or just a silly dress-up show. Being both causes tonal and intellectual whiplash.

[@rrstows3522]

Lazy lazy writing ,and not dr who now. Ripping other franchise off. And its noww becoming, boring boring ,just nothing of werth

[@chrissetti1390]

I really like your podcast, but there's a horrible squeal/hissing that means I physically gammy listen to much of it. I think it's coming from Matt's mike

[@batmanmarch]

Sorry about that, it was my mic being very odd. I will have a play with it so it doesn't happen next week!

[@chrissetti1390]

@batmanmarch no worries, glad it isn't just me hearing it!

[@nathanadlerinc2790]

Richard E Grant is not cannon because Disney Who season 1 is not cannon. It's an utterly disgusting travesty and the tribute to Russell at the end of this filthy grooming episode is a disgrace to his memory.