Doctor Who Series 2 Episode 11

[@andrewgwilliam4831]

This episode isn't well thought of, although it can get unfairly hammered by fans as if it has no redeeming features. I broadly agree with what you had to say about it, except that (in principle) the father part of the plot works for me. I like the very ordinary, domestic quality of the setting, even though it added to the feeling that they were trying to avoid spending money this season. What wrecks the story is the cheesiness of how the missing people were returned, the Doctor becoming the Definitely Not The Olympics torchbearer, and the dialogue laying it on thick about "love". However, that Tardis gag at the beginning is an absolute classic, and the "Fingers on lips!" bit made me laugh when I rewatched this last year (for the first time since 2006). The marmalade bit is a good character moment, and a welcome reminder that this Doctor is still an alien and not just a handsome English hero. Lol about singing kids! You were trying to remember Schrödinger's Cat. Back in "The Empty Child", Dr Constantine says "Before this war began I was a father and a grandfather, now I'm neither, but I'm still a doctor", to which the Doctor replies "I know the feeling".

[@10thdoctor15]

Love the TARDIS, 'fingers on lips' and marmalade scenes.

[@nicologikreacts]

Thank you for the insights into your feelings about the episode. :) It´s seems like we have some different takes on certain scenes, but do come to an overall similar conclusion. And yes I was thinking about Schrödinger´s cat, thanks :) Oh and thank you for clarifying the one sentence from the doctor :)

[@electricpants8194]

the doctor revealing that he was a dad to rose and rose just saying "you what?" is so funny

[@nicologikreacts]

Yes I really love the chemistry between them :D

[@roguecomics4775]

Excellent, I look forward to these reactions very much. Hope you are doing well!

[@roguecomics4775]

Well that sucks that you didnt really like the story. :/

[@nicologikreacts]

I´m doing better thank you :) In the video next saturday I wont be feeling that good, but don´t worry. That was weeks ago and I´m much better and healthy again :) And it makes me really happy to know, that you are enjoying my reactions :)

[@nicologikreacts]

I´m sorry. :/

[@sallyatticum]

I didn't mind this one. I don't think it deserves the hate it gets. I am a fan of Nina Sosanya and feel she was sort of wasted here. But I liked the story well enough. I suspect it was inspired by a 1980s film called Paperhouse in which a little girl's drawings came to life but in a different way. She goes into the drawings. And there is a scary father in that movie, too. How is the last rating our fault? hahah.

[@andrewgwilliam4831]

Yes, I agree with you about Sosanya.

[@nicologikreacts]

Well I guess this is a typical Dr. Who dilemma once again. Some people love the episode, the other people hate it. :) Haha the bad ratings are your fault, the good ones are mine :D hahaha

[@AlmightyCRJ]

This, like Boom Town, was a replacement script for one that didn't finalise. A look to the immediate future - London 2012 from 2006. The stadium was Wales's Millennium stadium (classically a Rugby stadium, currently sponsored name Principality stadium), Cardiff. Its interior was used for the bunker corridors & stairwell in Dalek. *deleted London 2012 trivia*

[@andrewgwilliam4831]

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[@AlmightyCRJ]

@@andrewgwilliam4831 I have deleted the line about London 2012 as per the stated request. Nicole can read it. Though I contend the line contained miscellaneous 2012 trivia, rather than a spoiler.

[@andrewgwilliam4831]

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[@AlmightyCRJ]

@@andrewgwilliam4831 Oh, a VERY blind watch through. That's unique.

[@andrewgwilliam4831]

@@AlmightyCRJ Yes, indeed! (I've now deleted my previous two replies.)

[@markdavidson9100]

Thanks for reaction…felt kind of numb when I watched this at a friends, it’s not awful, just others are better. We ordered pizza 🍕 while watching, ate each other’s pizza in error and didn’t realise until afterwards

[@nicologikreacts]

Sorry for the late reply, that sometimes happens, because with every videos I get more comments, and it´s sometimes har to keep up. And yes, that episode was not the strongest one, agreed. But I hope the pizza was good? :) And you really didn´t notice that you had changed the pizzas? :D Something like that has never happened to me, but it´s really funny :D

[@markdavidson9100]

@@nicologikreacts pizza 🍕 was ok, he ate my pepperoni while I ate his margarita…this story replaced a story that was going to be written by Stephen Fry, who appeared in Blackadder…with so many high quality stories you can’t have perfection all the time

[@georgehammond6772]

Never mind, I generally feel unwell after watching this episode too! The fun bit with the TARDIS at the start is the only real highlight, and is wasted in this story.

[@nicologikreacts]

Haha, fortunately the episode wasn´t the reason I felt bad. Otherwise I think I would never ever watch any episode of any series ever again. The risk would be way too high, to watch another bad episode some day. :D And yes the Tardis bit was really funny :D

[@stevebiggs]

"A cute episode but nothing special" yes, that sums it up :)

[@nicologikreacts]

Yeah well, I guess I have nothing to add to that :)

[@brianbritton3693]

What was the had signal in Kindergarten for BAD WOLF ? . haha. Hope you feeling ok and had the tissues ready for the next few.

[@nicologikreacts]

Haha hand signal for Bad Wolf :D I´m feeling ok, and I have my tissues ready all the time, don´t worry.

[@amygreenberg4950]

This episode is not very popular, and is definitely not the best in my opinion. No need to apologize for not feeling well. I think your assessment of the episode was spot on. A nice concept but not that well executed. Great reaction! Looking forward to the finale! Hope you’re feeling better!

[@nicologikreacts]

Thank you for your kind comment :) I hope you will enjoy the finale episodes :)

[@paulweaver4635]

This episode was a very late replacement for a episode that fell though. which i think is why its not as good as it could have been. I think it was a Steven Fry script that wasn't made. He was supposed to do one this series. Great improvement next episode though. love your reactions.

[@nicologikreacts]

It explains a lot, to hear that this episode was a replacement. And I do really expect an improvement, since the next episode will be the finale :) I´m really happy, that you are enjoying my reactions :)

[@10thdoctor15]

I like your idea that the old woman was the young girl, like if she was touched by something as a girl and got sent back in time to live out her life in the past. Interesting.

[@nicologikreacts]

Yeah I would have really liked to see that version :)

[@RoundTheArchives]

The idea of drawings coming to life is potentially a very strong one, though we feel it was explored much better in the 1972 ATV serial 'Escape Into Night'. There's a clip here to show how spooky 'Fear Her' could have been... kzbin.info/www/bejne/apbMe2yZgLhod8U

[@nicologikreacts]

Oh wow thank you for that link, that was so horrorfying. That little kid humming and those paintings...wow, that gave me the shivers :) I really would have liked that kind of a story.

[@sallyatticum]

Wow. I didn't know that one existed! I mentioned the 1988 adaptation of the story (Paperhouse) in my post: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoTTZ6afa5yBqs0&ab_channel=HorrorPreview

[@RoundTheArchives]

@@nicologikreacts Although 'Doctor Who' often scared children, there are quite a few other shows from the 1970s that were equally spooky. Sometimes, people only remember a scary scene or two from something and assume it was from 'Doctor Who', but sometimes it's from something completely different. 🙂

[@nicologikreacts]

@@RoundTheArchives You know what? Your comment from before and that little video that you reccomended, really brought me in the horror mood. And I just now recorded my very first reaction to a horror movie :) It´s gonna be out this or next week. So thank you for the inspiration :)

[@RoundTheArchives]

@@nicologikreacts Glad to help! :-)

[@10thdoctor15]

Where are the plot holes that you mentioned?

[@nicologikreacts]

I´m sorry Richard. I would love to answer your question. but by now it´s more than a moth later, and I have already watched so many more episodes by now. I really can´t remember, what I was reffering to, I´m sorry.

[@10thdoctor15]

We don't have tornados in Britain.

[@nicologikreacts]

Really? Like never?

[@10thdoctor15]

@@nicologikreacts We have gusts of wind that knock chairs and bins over, but that's about it.

[@nicologikreacts]

@@10thdoctor15 Ah ok I didn´t know that. But I mean, it´s better that way :)

[@meredithgrace4337]

great reaction as usual things I liked about this episode 1. as being a drawing fan I loved the CGI that was put into making the drawings feel and seem real. 2. good that Chloe and her Mother were fine by the end of the episode, after the rubbish they had been put thought they deserved to be ok and happy. 3. glad to see everyone else was ok same thing they and the animals didn't deserve to be captured in the drawings. 4. seeing the cat was lovely and knowing that rose is a cat person happy face things I didn't like 1. I didn't like that the alien was inside Chloe's body that was crossing a line why couldn't the alien have been inside Chloe's mind it would have been a lot less scary and would have made a lot more sense seeing as Chloe's brain wasn't her's for the hole episode until the end episode. 2. I'm gonna say it again I don't like the sad backstory with the parents or in this case parent being cut out of the story I feel it is a lazy way of making the viewer immediately feel sorry for the character or characters and that prompts for the viewer to like them because of feeling sorry for them. 3. I felt this episode was to slow there was so much blinding up that in the end there was only a little bit of action for me a good doctor who episode should have an equal amount of Quick and slow and as soon as one is more than the other it tips the balance if the episode is to slow then it feels like the episode is lazy and that the viewer themselves want to speed it up, and if the episode is too fast then there's no time to process key information which makes a viewer want to re wind the episode and understand it better. thats why I like two parters because the episodes have time to set up the story and then fling in the action when needed.

[@andrewgwilliam4831]

Hi Meredith, I'm Nicole's moderator for spoilers. Thank you for taking the time to write such a detailed comment! However, after thinking about it, I've realised I need to ask you to edit it, please, in order to remove the bit about the Doctor's children (everything from "so when the doctor said" to "they would be adults"). My reason for asking this is because Nicole doesn't like knowing in advance what *won't* be in a future episode, just as much as she doesn't like knowing what *will* be in a future episode. If I tell her your comment isn't a spoiler, that also tells her that what you've explained won't be explained by the show itself in a story she hasn't seen yet. I hope that makes sense to you?

[@meredithgrace4337]

@@andrewgwilliam4831 I completely understand I'm editing the comment now and from me to You and Nicola I do apologise thank you for commenting this, I will be much more careful in future.

[@joshuajoshua2732]

Yeah not a favourite of mine this episode. Don't worry it's not a popular one among the fandom either even David Tennant thought the writing of this episode was just lazy like the episode itself it's a scribbled episode. This came out 6 years before the 2012 Olympics.

[@andrewgwilliam4831]

Hi joshua, I'm Nicole's moderator for spoilers. Could you edit your comment to remove the last sentence, please? If I tell Nicole your comment is free of spoilers, the implication is that she won't learn more about what the Doctor said in a future episode, and for her it's just as important to not know in advance what *isn't* in future episodes as what *is* in them. I hope that makes sense to you? Thank you in advance.

[@donaldb1]

This is not a strong episode. It feels quite like just a repeat of The Idiot's Lantern.

[@nicologikreacts]

Yeah, I had kind of the same feeling.