Rule #1 of every toxic relationship

[@well_weathered]

'In order to stay in the relationship you have to quit yourself' Telling words!

[@deborahklinkner1730]

@@well_weathered I actually quit from the beginning, looking back, the marriage waa never a relationship to either of us. We just lived under the same roof & there was a marriage license. Neither makes it a relationship

[@Matriarch57]

After you “totally” quit yourself they leave you flat.

[@sfc5774]

Ouch……..so true. Happened to me.

[@metalassassin8841]

Abandoning yourself...To keep that circus togheter... Until you become nothing, just an empty shell, like them...And once you're empty they hate you, because you became what they hate most, themselves...

[@purplediamondify]

This really hit home for me. It’s heartbreaking how narcissistic people sabotage your dreams under the guise of "guidance" or "what’s best for you." I’ve faced something similar with my mother. She would scream and yell at me whenever I tried to focus on my Job or career goals. Over time, it completely broke my confidence and left me paralyzed with fear. Now, I experience PTSD with job interviews, and working remotely is my only viable option due to health issues. But even now, she finds ways to sabotage that too, making it seem like I’m the problem for wanting to work in a way that protects my physical health. I had started job hunting at 16, and now, at 30, I’m still at home with nothing to show for it. My ill health has made it hard to hold down steady work, and freelancing leaves me stuck with no consistent income. It’s so true that in toxic relationships, you’re forced to quit parts of yourself just to survive. I’m trying to rebuild, but it’s a daily struggle.

[@VictoriaSeers]

The thinking i question most rt now is why weren't we taught about this? I'm 66 yrs old and just learning about it. It's destroyed my life.

[@artifundio1]

​@@VictoriaSeers these issues weren't an "issue" before... My parents are highly educated people, born in que 30's and 40's, and they've never acknowledge emotional or psychological damage. Which they had. They are "hurt people hurt people", but absolutely clueless. It's hard to recognize, but we are lucky to have KZbin and Dr Ramani at this moment in time. Even if it feels like too late.

[@Nat-oj2uc]

​@@artifundio1my mother is a narc but she adores her parents saying they were perfect. I didn't know much about grandparents but always was feeling very uncomfortable around them and couldn't understand why but now I know that they were really effed up because she couldn't turned out like that without their 'help'

[@artifundio1]

@@Nat-oj2uc exactly! In our case, we were able to "refuse the help" and turn out healthier, but disconnected from the family members hive mind. At least that is how I see it. ❤️

[@masterklep]

Same! 😢

[@MichaelKevin-l6y]

Exciting video, A year ago I took the no contact route, well i wouldn't say it didnt go well, but i missed her and sometimes you have to leave your comfort zone and go for what you want, Without knowing and having a huge ego, we might actually miss out on our soul mate all in the name of not settling for less, I know who i am, and at the same time i know what i want for me, so i did all i could to get her back, and I must say, it was the best decision i have ever made, we have been together again for over 7 months, yes marriage isnt always rosey, but i am lucky to have her, just as she is to have me, we compliment each other.

[@ShondellChristine]

its difficult to let go of someone you love, i am in a similar situation, and i do not know what else do to have him back, i have been dying inside, people actually think i am happy, i am not.

[@MichaelKevin-l6y]

I feel your pain sister , after trying out the no contact experiment that failed miserably, i had to find other means, i had to reach out to a spiritual adviser, it was brilliant idea which i never thought it was, but it worked wonders for me.

[@ShondellChristine]

Amazing, how did you get a spiritual counselor, and how do i reach him/ her?

[@MichaelKevin-l6y]

Her name is Shelly renee white , and she is a great spiritual counselor who can bring back your ex.

[@ShondellChristine]

Thank you for this valuable information, i just looked her up now online. impressive

[@gilliannae]

Sounds like my family where I am the black sheep and constantly given 'choices' yet punished for the choice and given the silent treatment. It's very sad

[@Fanlady4236]

Sounds like i wrote this. I quit my family, they wanted me bak, my rule to come back was they must respect me the way they wanted respect. I walk away if they overstep. I also give them s**t if they are rude or toxic then i ghost them instead of the other way around. We deserve so much better

[@sagittarius-gu6mv]

I'm 63 this year. Two years ago I had finally had enough of the crap that is my family. An aging Mother..two mature aged sisters..and a mature aged brother. Me being the youngest made me unwanted..talked over constantly..not seen as credible at all . I realised I was having better relationships with the tourists..and townsfolk of my small town. A nice conversation without picking and bitter judgement. Best Wishes to you and your loved ones from🇦🇺

[@gilliannae]

@@sagittarius-gu6mv Im the youngest of 3. My parents were very young when they had us so they were also babies raising babies. It came out about a year ago that I was not wanted by one parent and it really shows. I was very emotional as a child and they didn't know how to deal with me so I was ignored and bullied. Still am. I'm hoping to stop this family dynamic before I get to your age. Im in therapy learning the skills I need to break free ❣️

[@sagittarius-gu6mv]

@@gilliannae Thanks for the reply as sometimes sharing is very helpful. Therapy sounds good as it has helped me a whole heap. Best Wishes to you. 🇦🇺

[@Nat-oj2uc]

Isn't it a similar choice for you either get vaxxed or you get fired? Proof the system is narcissistic and many people have narc fleas

[@tijeraslack3]

This sounds like my family growing up. That’s why I went in the Army and even after I got out, I eventually moved 3 hours away and now I’m on the other side of the coast. I needed a life for me and my daughter and to be our true authentic selves.

[@addy1409]

These 3 minutes described 10+ years of my life with my ex. Wishing Joy Lenz strength and harmony. 💪♥

[@brownin329]

She was misled by a predator.

[@l.b.1903]

3:02 sometimes I wish people who have been in abusive relationships had met one another instead of the abuser they were with. They would probably have given to each other a better relationship based on empathy, compassion, closeness, respect, equality. Being valued and appreciated by your partner is so important. When you are with someone who is routing for you and caring it makes all the difference in the world. If I had been lucky enough to be in a relationship with a woman like that actress I would have been her number one fan sitting front row on broadway. 🎭 🎶

[@critchie]

“You have to quit yourself”… Dr. Ramani! You are a hero. THANK YOU.

[@alexnightray3204]

Heartbreaking 💔 I am glad that Joy got out of that cult, found herself, and became successful. Asian parents are also similar in “giving you a choice” of pursuing yourself or doing the “right thing” (ie. following their way/how they want you to be with fear mongering and hypothetical consequenc causing you to doubt yourself and keeping yourself small.)

[@ENTREPRE-MOMMY]

Was told similar things on multiple occasions and let go of or failed at so many big opportunities because of him. I freed myself this last discard. Now I'm finally building back up. The fear is still there, but I'm finally succeeding, despite.

[@Fifi_Is_My_Name-O]

That is so sad! My heart breaks for her!

[@SherryTomlinson-r2y]

Bless her. Heart! Live and learn. You really got to let the choice go through your own mind. And stick to your gut. She was really influenced WRONG! Dag gone it! ❤

[@Matriarch57]

This brings back memories of a quote that I used to hear when I was a child. “You’re never going to amount to anything.”

[@Buckley-qk6fq]

Being with my ex narc for the past 8 yrs. made me observe this very pattern. I think they wanted to feel very important in a way that is disturbing. Instead of building trust with their intimate partners, they destroy the trust that they built with you (in that case lying when they tried to put you in their pedestal). Once they have a committed partner, they can’t stand being loved authentically by one person. Instead they go on and prey on other women that is susceptible to their love bombing. My ex narc was a compulsive pursuer in a relationship. He would go back and forth to the women he were involved before or try to meet women in complicated situation so that going public isn’t an option while having you as their main supply. In the end they destroy the very person that loved them. They are like toddlers testing your love for them. Showing and telling them you love them isn’t enough, they will cheat on your face to make you feel inadequate even if you are more than they deserve. They want to test your love for them so they keep hurting you and when you have enough of their abuse, you leave. Then they tell you, ‘you never loved me because you abandon me’. Well in fact it’s their actions and narcissistic behavior that made you leave or in other cases they discard you and will give silly reasons of the discard. Mine would use, ‘she’s crazy’, ‘she’s a nega-star’, ‘she insults me’, ‘she cheated on me’ et al. So with this pattern of infidelities and emotional abuse (who knows what else) it’s better to walk away. I did walk away and is now rebuilding my life with our daughter. We are struggling financially because I’m not earning enough to provide for my daughter but now we get to laugh and bring with us sunshine every day. No lies, no abuse and no fake love. We only live once, forgive yourself and move forward but never forget the lesson that narc abuse taught you. That is to respect yourself to walk away from what’s hurting and destroying you. That you deserve a life of solitude, happiness and love. Hugs*** :) Additionally I got to know about my narc husband bad ways when I reach out to a private detective digitalinvestigate@gmail. com for help he did a perfect work for me I can see everything he’s doing on his device.

[@TorgerVedeler]

Joy, I happen to love Beauty and the Beast, and now I want to see you in it. You deserve your dream.

[@mjblazy]

I’m feeling this pain. This happened to me. You’re not ready ugh

[@SafetyatHome]

So sorry you have been through such a difficult time. 😢😢

[@deborahklinkner1730]

I didn't let go....told him before the marriage what my terms were & held to them....marriage was nothing but miserable fighting & expected him to be the one to bale but he didn't want to look like a failure. I finally walked out when I had enough

[@harmonyvaneaton4101]

How evil! Oh this just makes me see red for her. So heartbreaking.

[@user-7797mty]

Dr. Ramani, and Joy (loved your role/character and you are beautiful and amazing)......I am in year 5+ of what meets the definition of torture, victim of crimes, and exploitation and oppression. My heart breaks everyday more so because I advocate for others but can't get anyone to help me. I will tell you boy, I understood you...felt you....and thank you. Joy, I am so sorry you went thru that. Controlling people who deprive others disgusting....sorry you had such a mean spirited heart steal from you. That is what he did.....he stole and abused, and exploited his role as a spiritual guide for his own gain. Disgusting. You are most definitely Belle!!!

[@orielwiggins2225]

Heartbreaking! This goes deep, especially when it's your parents and that's the home culture you're born into. You never to constantly give up yourself to stay in any semblance of relationship with the only option for something like safety or security. It's never a choice.

[@arnonym5208]

semblance of relationship. A good word for this.

[@Mia1827]

Fantastic video My five-year relationship ended a month ago. The decision to part ways with the love of my life is something that truly consumes me. Though it's all in vain, I've tried everything to get him back, and I can't fathom my life with anyone else. Even though I've made every effort to quit thinking about him, I can't help but miss him and can't stop thinking about him. Why I am stating this here is beyond me.

[@Shanieceflordi]

It's hard to say goodbye to someone you love; I experienced this when my 12-year relationship ended. However, I couldn't just let him go; instead, I tried everything to win him back. Eventually, I turned to a spiritual counsellor for assistance, and he was able to help me win him back.

[@Mia1827]

Interesting! How did you locate a spiritual counsellor, and how can I get in touch with him most effectively?

[@Shanieceflordi]

His name is Father Obah Eze, and he is a great spiritual counselor who can bring back your ex.

[@Shanieceflordi]

he is father obah eze, he has great powers, he can help you.

[@Mia1827]

Thank you for this valuable information, i just looked him up now online. impressive Wow I just looked Father Obah Eze on the net he’s very legit thanks once again ❤

[@TracyMarieBriare]

Thank you I know toxic men have held me back and one even destroyed my life I’m still paying 7 years later

[@SoccerPhoto]

This is so eye-opening. The number of hobbies and aspects of my life I "chose" to give up to keep peace in my marriage... Whether it was going out with friends, going for a motorcycle ride, or just doing my creative hobbies. They were all met with endless roadblocks. Recently, a friend was doing some remodeling. I offered to help, as I'm good with DIY. Fast forward, and in talking with them, they mentioned how hard it was to get a handyman to do small jobs. I asked why didn't they ask me? I offered to do it just to help them. They said they talked to my wife and she said I was too busy and never even talked to me about it.

[@Leoo117]

Taking full responsibility for the choices we make is the only way to be fully immune to manipulation like this. You should be empowering her with the fact that she has the power of choice always, even in the face of manipulation. Even in the face of someone's guilt trip.

[@3leggedsharkkickssurferinballs]

True, but it's not always this easy or straightforward. What you propose makes sense, but unfortunately most people are not taught when they're young how to be immune to manipulation. A lot of people were raised by manipulators, which shapes not only your decision making capabilities, but your entire approach to life; your personality. Not to get all philosophical here, but if we don't get to choose our personalities, is free will ever an objective thing?

[@linneasimchah1621]

🎯🎯🎯

[@drebugsita]

This was only a short video to illustrate her experience, not how to heal from it. Rather odd you think Dr Ramani is less of an expert than you on this matter

[@FavourIkhina]

This happened to about five months ago. I already knew this was a narcissist but got to realise after years of trauma with him and was now praying for God to send me a helper because I no financial support anywhere except him. I had been praying for a job and finally one came and he said I shouldn’t disturb myself with working for people and that he’s taking care of me and could be a volunteer nurse instead of working. He said that I should relax and that he would work on getting me a work visa to the US which is where he’s based. I turned it down, only for him to say he wouldn’t support me financially anymore 😢. I still refused then he said you would have to leave my life and my house. It was tough but gave me the courage to walk away. He knew I had no friends or family to help so he threw me out of the house that very day. It was his mom who spoke to his friend to allow me till I find a place to stay. I started feeding myself and doing everything for myself that very day even though I was in his house. I made it out few weeks later and I have been healing a lot. Thank you so much dr Ramani❤

[@TheStarrySky-sb9df]

That was hard for her. I can’t imagine.

[@kremenakoeva1578]

Omg, I understand this feeling now. 10 years ago when I started the relationship with my husband there was this weird feeling that I didn’t understand and just now I realised that it was the feeling that “this is not me”, “I’m not myself”, because I was being disrespected and dismissed for being me. Thank you doctor Ramani!

[@ekopf]

I just read her book. I am so excited you are interviewing her!!!!❤

[@Kwalo_Tse_Boitshepo]

Whats the name of the book?

[@ekopf]

@Kwalo_Tse_Boitshepo Dinner for Vampires: Life on a Cult TV Show (While Also in an Actual Cult!) by Bethany Joy Lenz

[@ekopf]

@@Kwalo_Tse_Boitshepo Dinner for Vampires: Life on a Cult TV Show (While Also in an Actual Cult!) by Bethany Joy Lenz

[@ekopf]

​@@Kwalo_Tse_BoitshepoI'm not sure it's letting you view my earlier reply, it's Dinner for Vampires.

[@Sally-ih6ls]

That’s horrid, idiotic narcs!!

[@LasoleIacc]

My main concern is how to survive all of these financial and political crisis, especially in light of the US political power scuffle. The government has really called things more difficult for its citizens, and we can't sit back and bear all the consequences of the bad governance.

[@CenterWomen4B]

Good point. I see some people indulge in schadenfreude, seeing the people who voted for this get their karma ('leapord ate my face'). But I can't enjoy in that which causes harm to people who didn't vote for this and fought to stop this chaos. We are in this peril and suffering together unfortunately. I am withdrawing all energy and support and business from any people, entity, business, etc... that promoted this, and it has done wonders of good for my health and energy. This is spiritual warfare.

[@CambiosPimzon]

Thank you Lord Jesus for the gift of life and blessings to me and my family $54,120.47 weekly profit Our lord Jesus have lifted up my Life!!! 🙏❤️❤️

[@AnelisRol]

HOW !! I know it's possible , I would appreciate if you show me how to go about it .

[@CambiosPimzon]

As a beginner, it's essential for you to have a mentor to keep you accountable. Myself, I'm guided by Angela Phyllis Martin. for years and highly recommend him l focus on her. To be honest, I almost didn't buy the idea of letting someone handle growing my finance, but so glad I did.

[@MenghanDonga]

Same, I met Angela Phyllis last year for the first time at a conference in Wilshire, after then my Life has changed for good.God bless Angela Phyllis

[@IamBeautyBraeden]

2:38 "In order to fit into this relationship you had to give up the "joyless" in you"

[@irshikha]

Joy-ness 😊

[@MWear-x8t]

My mom always told me I was the "good" kid. It was my childhood identity. Then when I got a mind of my own at 12, everything I did, I was told I was bad, so to keep my identity I had to listen to her.

[@KatMo7121]

I know her pain so well. At age 17, I was given a handwritten letter of commendation for entering a broadcasting school, written by a very famous broadcaster that I had become acquainted with through the father of my BF in high school. Instead of being proud of me, my mother threw a fit, told me I was too lazy and stupid to survive on my own at a college, how she needed me at home to help her take care of my grandfather and aunt, both of whom worked full time, while my mother stayed at home and watched TV while smoking cigarettes all day. She literally crushed every dream I ever had. Now in my 60s, I know how far I went in the opposite direction, to the point I was afraid to support my own children in their dreams, because I was such a failure that I felt any advice would ruin their chances. They're succeding despite my inaction, but I wonder how much better things could have been...

[@williamdillard8330]

I hope there's a part 2 to this?

[@katjongeward7155]

oh my. the "you chose it." wow. ya, mine used to make me choose, but, I better choose the right one. that hit me. @2.20. hit my gut.

[@REBEKAHJOHNSON-lh6xh]

I really hope and pray God brings the opportunity back around for her…that’s so sad!!

[@sundancer7381]

So well stated. Thank you, ladies!

[@michaelgarrow3239]

I really wish I had these tool 20 years ago. I didn’t know what a narcissist was until after my career plans, businesses, and home was destroyed. Really worked hard my entire life in a competitive world. I have lost everything. Losing mental function was probably the worst. It is coming back, it is taking years. I am back to living in the Stone Age. FTW

[@l.5832]

Yup. When I was in grade 8 I was handpicked by a coach who had coached a classmate who made it to the Olympics. I was a sprinter. He wanted me for a team and he would be coaching. HUGE opportunity for me. I told my mother. She gave me the 'choice'....but she also told me my grades had better not slip. I was a straight A student so I was not going to fail. But the 'choice' I was given really wasn't a choice because there would be hell to pay if my grades slipped one iota. Turned down the athletics team and along with it any hope for scholarship to post secondary....which would have been my ticket away from my mother.

[@igorvoros339]

Typical manipulation. During the Les proposal it started naturally to feel bad. When you put some logic into it, then you know that real family is always supportive. It was clear from that point that it was not a family approach. Yes, we do not always do logical decisions, in spite of the fact that it crucially healthy for us sometimes. I think her decision made her to lose "family" (there was no family) and opportunity as well. Yes it was not a choice, it was kind of ultimatum.

[@Jenda-ld8dj]

Choice is a choice. There are consequences for decisions.

[@TruthandJustice-hz9nv]

Absolutely tremendous, Thank you so much to the both of you for this, Thank you for sharing your story, I hope you have amazing opportunity's come your way, This is your life and you make your own choices, Keep spreading information about abusive people and abusive relationships, Peace, love and respect to you both and everyone, Thank you universe, All glory power praise and smiles to the most high :-) :-) :-)

[@abhilashagupta8934]

Brilliant !!! Brilliant Dr Ramani ❤❤❤

[@aprilswill9204]

That was manipulation at its finest. It’s presented as a choice but it’s not a choice. Rule #1 of a toxic relationship, you have to quit being yourself to maintain it…. Wow!

[@kellygreenii]

Toxic relationships are win-lose….and there is always the same winner and the same loser…

[@kirkstewart-vf6hg]

The creep brought God into it RED FLAG NO 1.....

[@raniabenseghir]

Im very thankful, god bless you ❤

[@lorianttila9698]

Idk who Les is. I am so sorry he weaponized your faith against you. There is a place in hell for him next to my ex-spouse. I am so sorry that happened to you and cost you. Please find peace in your heart and grace for yourself on this journey

[@simplyixia3683]

Les is the alias she gave to the man who was the “pastor” of her “church” in her book. He was a narcissist who controlled the group and basically was a de facto cult leader. Church is in quotes because the group was so controlled that i don’t feel like it really operated like one anymore. I’m sure if the group is still around the members would insist they are a church though. Glad she got out.

[@jonanon8193]

Frightening.

[@luckystarship2275]

Narcs are very envious people.

[@lifewingcreativ]

Ouch. Truth!

[@donnawomack4223]

Thank you for this!!

[@jenlovesthisstuff]

Coercive control 😢

[@jeanettecook1088]

I like the way people invoke obligations to a being that isn't there 😊

[@HandbrakeBiscuit]

Seems she was cajoled into giving up Beauty and the Beast on Broadway in order to be in Beauty and the Beast in real life... :(

[@RevertYahya]

"In order to stay in the relationship, you need to quit yourself." This sounds a LOT like some of the Christian* ideologies I've run into that say things like "you have to die to yourself." *Under no circumstance am I criticizing Christianity or Christians. I am only pointing out a similarity/correlation I have observed and personally experienced. There are many beliefs and opinions, I am only referencing a specific one I've run into.

[@Tarotlynx]

God does bring things - they just usually aren't very nice.

[@TataBox-w4c]

Hi Ramani, Dodie Clark is a covert narcissist. Anna Akana is a covert narcissist. Many internet sex workers are narcissists. Please explain to me why narcissists are attracted to empaths. What do empaths and narcissists have in common? Thank you.

[@VenusianLissette]

:) love seeing this, great work! thanks :)

[@kiyomifrost]

Mrs. Rama I I don’t know how you do it. These women at my job, this Chinese guy that degraded me, these damn circles and listen to ppl and their non sense I got ZERO. Wth does she need help with? Just stop talking to them

[@jenniferwingo5430]

Sounds like my family.they hold me hostage!

[@Sarah-bx6xr]

Oh yeah exactly!

[@CosmicChild1111]

BOOM🤯 there it is!

[@harrietthornton5328]

If someone I love is offered their dream and they can actually accomplish it, my next question is how can I help? Or Broadway here we come.

[@susanlewis1875]

Bless her.

[@matthewwozniak9138]

If your dream is to be in a fairy tale, go for it.

[@StamperWendy]

I've loved watching BJL in movies lately. She's gotta be related to Kay Lenz, maybe it's her aunt, it's not her mom

[@bruceprigge5212]

Thank you! :)

[@helenpecoraro9096]

Read her book……so interesting💕💕

[@carlpacheco2058]

This is one of the things that makes Christianity and organized religion so toxic in general - the belief God would ask you to sacrifice and suffer to prove something.

[@orenlewis8679]

I get this is true if ot is constant, but the idea our whole lives should revolve about what we want is not a good position either. It makes us just as toxic.

[@christinabaatz1204]

You are STILL young . Job opportunities would come your way again . Be patient !

[@DsnyLuv]

I saw that right away! oxic

[@novairene6880]

So sad.

[@suzismith9681]

They take it all. Your hopes, dreams, love. And when you don't choose their way (the only way) you are worthless. What an option! What a beautiful person that lady is, inside and out. I have learned, choose yourself over everything. Been your own best friend 😊 and who was the manipulator who seemed to think that it was his job to decide who goes to heaven or hell? Playing God. Ummm....... that won't work out well 😕

[@Nat-oj2uc]

Isn't it a similar choice to you either get vaxed or get fired?

[@kimboy1231]

Are religious leaders self selected narcissists?

[@jwonbowling8373]

I would argue that our happiness shouldn't be the priority but our purpose. If she has been escaping being a sufficient mother or partner so she could pursue her passion which is ultimately her happiness then she's being self absorbed. If everyone just pursues their happiness then there will be complete chaos. If she has children and a husband then they need to be first priority not escaping to pursue an acting career. She did have a choice to not have kids or a husband but once she chose kids and a husband her passion for acting takes a backseat until the kids are grown enough to be on their own. She's obligated to be a sufficient mother and wife first before her passion. Sorry but you can't have your cake and eat it too in reality. Consequences and accountability for our actions needs to be primary rather than justification and escaping and essentially no accountability. Too many women in society are conditioned with this mentality which ultimately destroys families. Men sacrifice their happiness for their families as they should while women sacrifice the family for their happiness which is the real reason why God makes it clear that the man should be the head of the household. Making decisions off your emotions is destined for problems and chaos.

[@sanjaypaul9159]

I hope she goes to Broadway ❤. She might need a new hubby per what Dr. Ramani mentioned.

[@amandaliverpool3374]

Wow! 😢

[@MatanotOfEden]

Where can I find the rest of this interview/video?

[@Teacher369]

Taking the role would have been honoring “God,” honoring your true self (Source, Love, Joy, whatever you want to call it. )

[@catherinegoodsett-wein3313]

You don’t need God to know that family should come first. Quoting Burns,” the best laid plans of mice and men oft’ go awry.” so the choices you make in your life should really be more about values that you have moral values and that people should always come first before your career or your money.

[@Kl6784zu]

On one side, he tricked you in giving up your dream. On the other side, he is the big looser. Because God knows that you really made that sacrifice for him! Even when it wasn't needed. You would do everything for God. God loves you for that. And how does he look like in God's eyes! Pretty bad! So you won the more important battle!

[@merlinwizard1000]

1st, 22 November 2024

[@benevalete]

Pffffff....bah, jieks how manipulative unfair🙈🙉😱yah the great Savior....destroying every joy you have....never ever again I ask for advice or let myself tell whst to do. Autonomy breaks this manipulator's behavior and rules....

[@kimberleyshott8970]

💯

[@alexastirling4385]

😥

[@SucessulSaima]

❤

[@ILoveWoolerbear]

This stopped me at god. illllllllllllllkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[@pavschodyko6531]

Wtf. 😮😮😮

[@nataliaprodan9335]

Yep, narcissistic people confuse themselves with God all the time😂

[@kforest2745]

Lol it’s fkn ridiculous but that’s because everybody makes the mistake of having any wants at all. Why do you want, have you ever asked yourself that. Why do you want what only someone else can give you, why don’t you want what you can give you, why do you want what someone else is trying to manufacture/lure you in for. It’s stupid ridiculous. Eventually the species will catch on how dependent it is on ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

[@Godlvr008]

We are Christian. Had 10 very close Christian friends for 40 years. Wife isnt comfortable with them. Even said I was gay with one of them. Well, we all have kids, and in 60 years, no one has ever accused me of being gay or pedo. MAYBE, you have control issues.....

[@Mewkeytay]

That sounds like my parents. I told my mom i needed her to cashapp me 4 dollars to add to my money and buy something yesterday, she told me maybe i should stop seeking instant gratification and to not spend my money. Then she said ok im on my way home, bye and hung up. I hung up and turned back to my homeboys like... uhh... she didnt have anything to spare lol

[@linneasimchah1621]

The rule of a toxic relationship -- that part is highly accurate. But if a person doesn't take responsibility for owning that poor decision, 100% blaming the narc just doesn't seem right to me. Narcs will absolutely psychologically torture someone, but it requires that person's consent and cooperation for it to work. I loved the advice from a clinically diagnosed narcissist: the only power a narcissist has is what you give him.

[@Matriarch57]

It’s not that cut and dry!

[@suef52]

You obviously don't know anything about trauma bonds with the victim and the abuser. It is never just black and white. It's about power, manipulation and control.

[@linneasimchah1621]

@@suef52 You're mistaken. I am currently coming out of an almost 20-year marriage with a narcissist. The first 6 months of physical separation were brutal. I have learned a lot.

[@Leoo117]

Exactly. Ramani misled her here. The problem with victims of manipulation is just not KNOWING that they ALWAYS had a choice. The manipulative person is just good at falsely guilt tripping them. The recovery process is being humble enough to admit that you always had the power of choice and will always be sure to use it in the future so as to not abandon yourself next time and keep your integrity and boundaries.

[@user-un9zz2cy9j]

Yikes