Does God Exist? - Many Absolute Proofs! FINALE (Part 5)

[@LadyDoomsinger]

Imagine the sheer amount of arrogance it would take, to reach the following conclusion: "God is all powerful, all knowing, and all loving - but he's having trouble convincing unbelievers of his existence, so *I* have to step in and HELP him!"

[@paulnolan4971]

He's shy I think it comes from all the voyeurism 😁

[@stevewebber707]

@@paulnolan4971 I don't think shy seems likely. I could see being nervous in showing himself after all his mistakes. Or being loathe to potentially have to answer a lot of pointed questions, that might not make him look so great. Or maybe he's just having a bad hair millenium. All that said, I agree with the OP. David showed arrogance going off the charts in this series.

[@Prophet.TaeTae144K]

that's actually hilarious because his evidence is all around you but yet you people are so high-minded you think you're so wise you became fool. there is no excuse you know (Yahweh is Real)

[@LadyDoomsinger]

@@Prophet.TaeTae144K "Look at the trees!" xD

[@stevewebber707]

@@Prophet.TaeTae144K I tend to argue that the evidence is all around us that the Christian God doesn't exist. And when getting to the details, much of the time a theist responds, "but we can't understand the mind of God." Implying we can't point to reality and consider whether it points to God's existence or not. An example being that we can't understand all the reasons God might need to create suffering, that seems excessive, and unneeded. I would tend to agree that if he was real, and the bible true, that his existence would be clearly seen. And it isn't. Congratulations that the bible calls you wise for believing in the bible I guess. I'm not going to give you a cookie for believing that line though. I would grant that truly wise people understand that they are sometimes fools though. So there could be a grain of truth.

[@GreatCollapsingHrung]

It never fails to confuse me how in one breath they can say that God's invisible attributes are clearly seen and we are without excuse, then in the next they say that God has to reveal himself to us.

[@bananaslug.1951]

I used some of your stuff because it was very good.

[@Wraithknight2]

Clear like a glass window.

[@wilfredtwitchthrust7688]

He's talking about intuition. Basically, it's intuitively obvious to believers while non-believers are oblivious. It's just another way of arguing for blind faith.

[@jonc4403]

There are two possibilities. Grift or schizophrenia. Either they're aware that no god has ever revealed itself to them and they're using the claims to gain money and/or power, or they're suffering from mental illness and the 'god' they're seeing 'revealed' is a malfunctioning brain. The ones like Pack are clearly making money from their nonsense, so I'd suspect it's mostly grift.

[@LOH__]

Yep clearly see what kind of person he is looking at those parasitic worms and mosquitos.

[@djfrank68]

David’s presentation was clearly aimed at the congregation. He had no intention to convince a skeptic. He also invented a new profession. Astronomist

[@wesbaumguardner8829]

It is like an astronomer and an economist had a baby.

[@monus782]

That's basically what alot of the apologetics are, they're like teddy bears for the believers to hold on to (by telling them what they want to hear) rather than actually trying to convince the unbelievers as I once heard someone else put it.

[@WayneRossi]

"Realize that disproving evolution automatically proves God's existence." That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

Amotherfreakingmen!

[@soliniv1411]

To them this is the only way it works

[@brunozeigerts6379]

'Could you design trillions of galaxies... and then obsess with what the inhabitants of one planet in one galaxy are doing with their genitals?'

[@rickmartin7596]

Criminally underrated comment.

[@pauljimerson8218]

Honey, where are my pants?

[@snooganslestat2030]

Maybe God has the humor of a 12yr old boy? That's the only explanation I can think of for the obsession.

[@brunozeigerts6379]

@@snooganslestat2030 Maybe he's Trelane from Star Trek... a child with godlike powers. (A fan theory, I believe, is that he was part of the Q Continuum.

[@snooganslestat2030]

@@brunozeigerts6379 Ooof I dont know anything about star trek lol

[@nwsmith9]

Lol. I love that his irrefutable proof boils down to "doesn't it just feel right?" and that's supposed to be convincing.

[@Krikenemp18]

The sad thing is that it is convincing... to the already convinced.

[@MrGrumblier]

11:07 Humans create all this stuff all the time. We call it game development, Special effects, movies, books, and art. We also created god.

[@soliniv1411]

The bad thing is that some people took it waaaay too seriously

[@ryanmccabe8825]

"...13 million animals and insects". I think we/Noah are going to need a bigger boat.

[@SadisticSenpai61]

David C Pack's mind would be completely blown by the sheer amount of attention to detail and creativity Dungeon Masters put into their world building and storylines. DMs are gods. lol

[@joshuadunford3171]

I’m a Christian but I often feel like most apologist arguments from the conservative movement are such straw men that they are an official fire hazard

[@Zethneralith]

"...such straw men they are an official fire hazard." That's both hilarious and well said. I'm gonna use that somewhere, lol.

[@onedaya_martian1238]

"[Those arguments are]...such straw men that they are an official fire hazard" !! I'm using that (copywrite to Joshua Dunford paid in internet hugs)

[@Soapy-chan_old]

It's also that almost every sentence is a lie. Like, how is what he says true, or how is creation and the bible true, when you lie about it? I respect that as a christian you can see through his BS, I just hope you go the next step to let your faith in something non-existing fall off.

[@joshuadunford3171]

@@Soapy-chan_old thanks but your hopes are probably in vane, I have been watching Paulogia and reflecting my faith for three years and I openly chosen that my faith is mine and I’m not a Christian for the same reason I’m a New York Yankees fan. (My family are all Yankees fans and I just follow)

[@joshuadunford3171]

@@Zethneralith thanks

[@MODea-pq7ei]

Thanks Paul! We are watching you from France and you are helping my little children to know what religion really is and also allow them to learn English!!! I just quickly give them the translation into French and they even tell me..."Yes, I understood that" Love your channel :)

[@Paulogia]

that's amazing! thank you

[@MODea-pq7ei]

@@Paulogia No, I would love to thank you, Paul! My entire family is subscribed to you :)

[@Thezuule1]

English is such a weird language. It's like if you put half the world languages in a bag and then hit it with a hammer over and over. Good luck and more power to you.

[@MODea-pq7ei]

@@Thezuule1 Ahhh, That's very kind of you, Thezuule! I was taught English as a young child and never stopped reading books and watching TV programs, like I do with my kids. It's ok that you don't speak French. We have a difficult language to learn, but much easier in English

[@Thezuule1]

@@MODea-pq7ei I took 5 years of French in school, visited France for almost two weeks on a school trip, and all these years later I can remember how to ask where the bathroom is lol...

[@docmatthy]

As a European I really had a hard time to understand that there are people who think that accepting the enormous amount of evidence for the Theory of Evolution could mean that one could not believe in God. I still find it difficult to take Creationism serious. It is so obviously wrong.

[@bzhyoyo]

European here too, and this may have to do with Protestant tradition of reading and interpreting the Bible as you see fit, without a clergy to tell you how to interprete it.

[@caligo7918]

As a European former Jehovah's Wittness, i can tell you, that i was a Creationist. JWs are a bit unclear if the earth is young or old, but humanity is only ~6.000 years old, but they will not tell you how long the days of creation were. My believes collided with the public school system and to get answers from god, i started to read the bible, for myself, unfiltered. At 14, i was an Atheist with weird believes, because i had to unlearn A LOT of bullshit.

[@xhesarve7109]

Im an american, and i dont really get it either. but then, i am also autistic. i dont *think* the same way as everyone around me (not that thats better or worse. just different)

[@rickedwards7276]

Born and raised in the good old USA and I still cannot fathom where many of my countryman get their bizarre ideas.

[@bloozee]

God created ALL things including evolution and good old Charlie Darwin... surely!

[@Thezuule1]

"A product of dumb luck.." Why do these people continue to insist this is how evolution operates?

[@ericvulgate]

Bc otherwise their world-view fails.

[@pansepot1490]

Perhaps god threw towards earth the meteorite that killed the non avian dinosaurs and ultimately led to the rise of humans? I mean, if he sent a global flood later no reason not to think that he had been tinkering with the earth even before.

[@stevewebber707]

Because actually learning about, and representing evolution accurately, might cause a mass exodus from their churches.

[@snooganslestat2030]

Dont want people starting or trying to think for themselves! Also it reinforces their belief that they're intellectually superior.

[@LouisGedo]

👋 Unshockingly, no one has ever presented a cogent case for the existence of the alleged god of the bible.

[@Marconius6]

11:50 This is actually a really good point FOR evolution... like yeah, I don't have the knowledge to design a full ecosystem from scratch, or even a single complex life form. But what I COULD do is pump some chemicals out onto a dead planet, and then just wait a billion years to see how they get along... presumably time is pretty meaningless to me at that point, so this would be a pretty good method. And even if I'm not sure what chemicals to use, or what kind of planet is best... well, just make a million of them and vary up the parameters, one of them should eventually work. Hey, why not just make a universe that kind of creates stars and planets all on its own, on loop, and mixes up all the chemicals and building blocks automatically for me too... that way I could have trillions of planets, all with random starting parameters, one of those is bound to work out eventually!

[@emmanuelpiscicelli6232]

You're so right magic makes more sense, SARCASM DETECTED STRAIGHT AHEAD.

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

One of them? More likely many thousands of them, IMO.

[@lordadamant8182]

I don't think that David understands what "proof" is.

[@humbleevidenceaccepter7712]

Or honesty.

[@KianaWolf]

"What is more important than the god one worships?" Just off the top of my head: * The positive impact one has on our species and the world as a whole. (Including keeping the detrimental impact one has on the world as minimal as possible.) * One's personal happiness and fulfillment in their life. * The willingness to learn and admit one's own mistakes.

[@richardscottmills]

The biggest reason I find your videos so interesting is the fact that I have always been an unbeliever. Quite inexplicably given the geographic and cultural realities of my upbringing in the bible belt. I've never really been able to understand the thinking of my religious family and friends and I find your videos extremely useful in understanding them better because they come from a place I can understand and let me work backwards into their worldview in a way. I'm not a recruiter and have no interest in helping others deconstruct but I am a normalizer. I find the insights you provide endlessly helpful in projecting the kindness, normalcy, and well grounded reasoning I feel that requires, even though I admittedly fall short of my own ideals at times. It can be really hard not to want to be right more than I want to be kind at times but I do pretty good at refraining from flinging poo, for an ape, most of the time. :) Thanks Paul!

[@onedaya_martian1238]

Thanks to people like you, the world is a better place. Much appreciated.

[@tamatebako_yt]

I wouldn't say it's "recruiting" as much as it is putting information out there for those who are open to it. Of course coming from that sort of background you would want to spare others the many years lost to religion and help them transition easier and less painful. As an informed Atheist worldview is tightly knit to a critical mindset and look-at-the-facts-for-yourself approach I would be surprised if anyone in the Atheist community would actually try and "recruit" people to a secular worldview. We all know too well what manipulation by skewing the facts or hiding critical information, indoctrination (targeting the young or vulnerable), fearmongering, abuse of authority and all those other shady tactics look like.

[@bme7491]

I disagree with Sagan's definition of atheist (at 1:50). An atheist is someone who is not convinced that a god exists due to the lack of evidence.

[@jeremypnet]

Yep. I’d describe myself as an agnostic atheist. I can’t say for sure there is no god because the evidence isn’t there but I don’t believe in god anyway, because the evidence that a god does exist isn’t there either. My position is exactly the same with respect to unicorns and leprechauns.

[@cygnustsp]

Dude your edits and pop culture references are perfect, very well done

[@Paulogia]

appreciate

[@nate6898]

@@Paulogia do you want to go to heaven

[@marcomoreno6748]

​@@nate6898what kind of heaven?

[@THATGuy5654]

Waiting until the last part of his series to tell people that the series was just there to waste their time and money was a bit crass on its own, but the part you cut out where he then extends both middle fingers and laughs for 5 minutes uninterrupted while holding unwavering eye contact with the camera is what I really have a problem with.

[@cediviannareeda4305]

that's not real, it can't be

[@dethspud]

Ah, the infamous David CPAC video where he fails to prove God again while trying to use Sagan's corpse as a ventriloquist dummy. I especially enjoyed his insistence that disproving evolution somehow proves God. Cos that never gets old for me. Or for him, apparently.

[@user-gk9lg5sp4y]

I see what you did there 😁

[@Nethar6]

there is also a great rendition of "The pale blue dot" by Robert Picardo

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

I was raised in a splinter group from the same cult as this guy. Weaponized ignorance and compounded logical fallacies. Feels Like Coming home.

[@riverofthewood]

Which groups are those?

[@empressoftheknownuniverse]

I'm sorry to hear that. You're safe now. Master your own destiny.

[@snooganslestat2030]

I'm interested in which group but regardless I hope you're doing better.

[@hrhprophetessofdarknesssex5784]

I remember Aron Ra covering this "preacher" I highly recommend checking his series out 🙋🏼‍♀️

[@empressoftheknownuniverse]

Your Empress is Impressed with Your Elaborate Title. 😉😄😄💓 And I also follow Aron Ra, good call.

[@hrhprophetessofdarknesssex5784]

@@empressoftheknownuniverse thank you 🙋🏼‍♀️ we've chatted before. I'm Lady Selena Felicity White and this is my backup account. Oh! BTW, I've become a lady since we last spoke. I'm a genuine lady! I have a certificate to prove it! 😔🙂😉😁 I combined several insults from trolls to make my backup user name 🙋🏼‍♀️

[@johngavin1175]

AronRa slays. I loved his debunking the flood series.

[@BenjaminSteber]

Game of thrones disastrous final season or so still gave me one, irreplaceable gem of wisdom: disregard anything someone says before they say “but.”

[@JD-wu5pf]

That's from season 1 when Benjen is talking to Tyrion at the Wall.

[@BenjaminSteber]

@@JD-wu5pf I take it all back.

[@joshdarius5995]

I would have watched the series 20 times by now but after the final episode I won't even watch the prequel once.

[@PurpleKnightmare]

Whenever I hear Carl Sagan reading Pale Blue Dot, I start crying. I miss him so much. Now I can't stop crying...

[@Uldihaa]

His enthusiasm for the end of days is unnerving. It's pretty clear that it would be a personal vindication and he would revel in it.

[@njhoepner]

How you manage to have the patience to sit and listen to this guy is amazing indeed.

[@StueGrifn]

This was an interesting side of Paul I haven't seen before. A sharper, even meaner, Paul than in some of his other videos. I think with such insufferable folks as Mr. Pack, it's warranted, but... it's like the thing teachers can do where they flip a switch and become 10 times more menacing just by adjusting their tone. I like it, but I'm also glad I'm not receiving such rebukes!

[@stevewebber707]

Sometimes some content deserves round rebuke from all sides. David managed to produce some astonishingly poor content here.

[@tetsujin_144]

11:15 - "Could you have created this much (complicated and interdependent stuff) by yourself?" He makes a good case for the development of the universe and the life in it being a decentralized process with no single creative agent behind directing it. Though I say "good case" and not "great case" because the question of whether I could do it has little to do with whether something else could. It's a bad analogy and an appeal to ideas that feel good, not necessarily to ideas that *are* good. My inclination to believe that all that complexity and diversity is the product of a decentralized process rather than the work of a single intelligent agent is likewise a matter of intuition, just an idea that suits how I view the world. We approach the truth by considering the evidence, not by considering which ideas feel good.

[@finnhoydal2028]

Ather becoming a Christian in the early 80s, I had no such rebuttal videos to guide me. It would have been nauseatingly painful to see my pastor/leader being totally shredded. Fortunately, I too have become a non-believer again due to KZbinrs i.e. to Paulogia. Kudos to you Paul

[@nagranoth_]

This must be some finale! Since they didn't present any yet the 'many proofs' will all be concentrated in this part. ... Oh :-(

[@bodan1196]

Is he actually asking us: if we had the power of God, do we think that we could create?

[@TravisW888]

Thank you Paul, I have loved this series! Though David belly flopped big time at the end. I loved your take on his statements and your soothing voice throughout!

[@Paulogia]

Appreciate the kind words and support, Travis!

[@Soapy-chan_old]

Why, WHY, would I or anyone care about someone foolishly converting to one of the thousands of different religions? How is that supposed to be proof for their particular God?!

[@letstrytouserealscienceoka3564]

I do not understand why people like Pack think that the rest of us should be actively looking for a god. I simply have no reason to go looking for something that serves no purpose for me and that no one has ever been able to show is objectively real. This whole notion of yielding to authority is something I find utterly foreign. It looks like this is a production of those who wish to be authorities, those who seek power to control the lives of others.

[@cygnustsp]

But you don't understand. Once you accept Jesus' warm, throbbing, pulsating love inside yourself you'll feel so satisfied.

[@dragonhealer7588]

That is the purpose of religion.

[@monsterslayer4317]

This guy (Pack) is a terrifying god imposter. I can see him burning people at the stake.

[@onedaya_martian1238]

Even today, there were people blowing shofars outside the Capitol in Washington DC on Jan 6, expecting god to disassemble the building supposedly like in the fairy tale about Jericho. If Pack were a mulla he likely could have got some people to fly a plane into that building and hit it this time.

[@M_MTsc]

I was not only a Christian but even completed a Batchelor degree in theology. I was definitely seeking. However, the more I learned the more I became convinced of the non existence of god. Think back, I cannot comprehend the the strength of my belief and how completely indoctrinated I was. Keep up the good work.

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

Dave just seem so pleased with his series, as if he actually made cogent arguments!

[@empressoftheknownuniverse]

If only someone would have given him a big piece of construction paper and a box of crayons. 😉

[@marcomoreno6748]

​@@empressoftheknownuniversewhat's wrong with enjoying a big box of crayons and a huuuge pad of construction paper in pretty colors? 😞

[@empressoftheknownuniverse]

@@marcomoreno6748 I'm certain YOU can be trusted not to shove the crayons up your nose or in your ears. 😉😄😄

[@biggregg5]

Maybe in the philosophical sense Sagan wasn't an atheist, but certainly in today's colloquial sense, he was. He wasn't convinced any gods existed....that's an atheist.

[@Thezuule1]

Exactly. I'm fully open to the possibility that a deity exists, and it is free to show up and demonstrate that, but I have no reason to believe one does otherwise.

[@martinmckee5333]

@@Hhjhfu247 I do not expect to ever be convinced of the existence of a god. However, I do not accept the lack of evidence as positive evidence for non-existence. That would be committing a black swan fallacy. Our knowledge - as humans - is far too limited to make an assertion of the form, "if we haven't seen it, it doesn't exist."

[@biggregg5]

@@martinmckee5333 It's about what you believe....not what you know.

[@martinmckee5333]

@@biggregg5 I was responding to a comment - now no longer visible - it seems that posited that the lack of evidence could allow us to know - with certainty - that God did not exist. I was simply saying that I think such knowledge is impossible. But, yes, I would say one is an atheist based upon belief, not knowledge.

[@biggregg5]

@@martinmckee5333 Ok....I think I remember the comment.

[@RadChild13]

Its written on our hearts that there is nothing written on our hearts and anyone who says otherwise is denying it in their unrighteousness.

[@lordfraybin]

There is a game called Universe Sandbox (edit - thank you rainbow), on Steam (PC) - that allows you to create your own galaxies. Tutorial starts with ours, and one little adjustment sets the WHOLE galaxy into chaos. I'm telling you... its actually fun throwing planets into the sun. You can then "attempt" to create a galaxy that can sustain life. Ok... back to playing God. Great video as always. Love your work.

[@rainbowkrampus]

Universe Sandbox 2, for anyone who is looking for the game.

[@ziploc2000]

I used to play an game decades ago, I think it was just called Gravity, where you create solar systems and see if you can get them stable. Kind of fun to do a double or triple sun system, add in a few planets and moons, and then see how long it can run before two bodies interfere with each other and it all goes haywire.

[@lordfraybin]

@@ziploc2000 Its been months since I've messed with it, but I think I have a VR version - which is really insane.

[@davidwimp701]

The one constant among all gods is that he never shows up. All we have is people who claim to represent god and to know what he wants. Yielding to the authority of god is really yielding to the authority of those who claim to represent god.

[@Ernoskij]

"If you choose not to know..." "you knew exactly..." Can you make up your mind David? are we knowing or not knowing?

[@tommygig3]

Finally! I’ve been unreasonably exited for this

[@tommygig3]

Yeah. It was a typo, but now that you mention it 😏

[@yourguard4]

I was reading "existed" :D

[@roblovestar9159]

Great series Paul! And Mr. Pack's series is impressive too, but in a different way: What a sales job; twisting, distorting and ignoring facts, and quoting scripture and Sagan. Thanks for exposing!

[@annaschofield]

Just a side note: wow paulogia your editing has become spectacular! Concise , easy to listen and flowing from point to point- I admire the time you take improving your videos!!

[@ferretfather2000]

"God exists because I say he does" was the entire argument of this series

[@DonHall666]

Thanks Paul. Can't imagine your pain for having to listen to him over and over while you write, review, and edit...over and over... To think that anyone would want to pay to listen to him and be content with their purchase, it's almost as unfathomable as his undeniable proofs!

[@laurajarrell6187]

Paulogia, great wrap up! I love all the 'asides' from movies, etc. 👍🌊💙💙💙🌊🥰✌

[@geneshifter]

lol that dude is so serious sounding. Can't help but laugh.

[@Dragoon803]

As an ex-Christian the most tragic thing to see out of believers in a God is what this man speaks about. He's so convinced of his own belief and that it's true yet cannot prove it then has the gall to say everyone else is confused and wrong instead of introspecting and evaluating his beliefs. The thing that brought me out of my belief was I had to admit to myself that I could be truly wrong about what the truth is. I had to question and evaluate 20 years of Christian teaching. I had to objectively look at both sides of the story and weigh them both fairly. You can't do that when you are convinced your position is the correct one. That is what keeps so many people, regardless of their belief, from discovering truth. To find the truth you must be willing to change your beliefs because you will inevitably have false and misinformed ideas and beliefs. You must fit your beliefs around facts instead of trying to fit facts around your beliefs.

[@BluePhoenix_]

He warned that the quote would be strong, but it was so friggin weak...

[@iriswaters]

"Who is unwilling to put aside their natural prejudice against believing in" Wait wait wait. Natural prejudice? So humans are naturally, as in in their nature, prejudiced against belief in the existence of God?!? That is really quite the claim for a Christian to be making.

[@pauligrossinoz]

I'd say I've got a "natural prejudice" against being told bullshyte stories by people claiming to speak the truth, but it's not specifically a bias against religion. I feel the same way about any situation where somebody is trying to con me. 🙄

[@chewxieyang4677]

That is what the fallen nature of man, I.E., original sin, basically is, by their theological framework. One could not be surprised that they kept running under their own internal logic.

[@snooganslestat2030]

I have a prejudice against believing things based on being told to.

[@Hunpecked]

@iriswaters Yeah, that "natural prejudice" line really caught my attention. Given the number and variety of gods people have worshipped over the ages, I'd say it's just the opposite. We seem to have a strong natural tendency to invent supernatural entities who for some reason need/want our devotion. It's as if we have too much time on our hands. 😇

[@iriswaters]

@@Hunpecked yeah that definitely seems a thing. I am more interested in the fact that it's a Christian saying it, given that one of the more common apologetics is that our tendency to believe in gods is itself evidence that there must be a god. But even more so, there's the whole line of thought around "all know that God exists, so that none can honestly claim ignorance". The whole notion that there could be even ONE non resistant non believer makes the entire concept of hell unequivocally an act of pure evil(even moreso than it would otherwise be). And if belief requires overcoming a natural resistance to belief, then non resistant non believers should be the norm, not the exception.

[@rhonwenstephens8539]

Regarding Romans 1 so someone who already believes in God thinks its foolish not to believe in God? 🤔

[@Irisarc1]

I don't know why they think I would not change what I believe if presented with irrefutable facts. I have done this innumerable times in my life about other things, important things. There have been things proven to me using actual facts that have led to conclusions that have changed my life. The problem here isn't my stubbornness. It's their lack of irrefutable facts to support their supposition. I would be untrue to myself if I let myself believe in something so important based on the half truths and inaccurate "facts" offered here.

[@Iamtheskidoostig]

Soliloquy, such an appropriate word to describe "The Pale Blue Dot." Miss you Carl.

[@hrh4961]

Hearing this pendejo reminds me of the words of that respected pundit of a few years ago: Where's the beef?!

[@THATGuy5654]

You know, that actually makes for an interesting thought experiment. Assuming you could SEE the entire universe over the course of all of time, you wouldn't really need to be particularly skilled at creating universes to create a universe full of life. Just take that little singular point of energy, tweak some universal constants, and check what the results will be. If it's not viable, tweak a few more points, and see if that works. Continue this process until you get something that you like.

[@cnault3244]

" tweak some universal constants" If they are universal constants, they cannot be tweaked, they are constant.

[@moogleborn3132]

@@cnault3244 "universal constants" is descriptive, not prescriptive. It's just a term to describe a specific group of physical characteristics of our universe which appear to never change or be able to change under natural conditions. We have never seen these universal constants under divine conditions and therefore cannot possibly say they would remain constant under such conditions.

[@Uryvichk]

Assuming you have infinite time (or "time," attempts, whatever), it's actually inevitable that you would eventually create a universe superior to this one (by human standards) by just randomly fiddling with variables. Just keep turning one knob a little each time, and it'll happen eventually. And the thing is, if you argue God didn't need to do that, well... we only have God's word on that. Maybe He just lucked into this whole universe thing and is trying to take credit. That's certainly what I'd do. Also if someone ever asks you one of those "Are you capable of [vast difficult thing]?" questions, just say yes. "Yeah, if I had God's power and were in God's place I'd design a better universe than his, you gonna give me God's power and a fresh universe to prove it? Because I will. Just say the word when you're going to grant me omnipotence." Nevermind that the question itself is trivial; all you have to do is say "I'd make the exact same universe as this, but without cancer." Same thing with anyone claiming no one can improve on their holy book; just take out one sentence of some really bad stuff and you've "written" a better book, Borges-style.

[@cnault3244]

@@moogleborn3132 "We have never seen these universal constants under divine conditions" There is no evidence anyone has seen anything under divine conditions, so any speculation or argument that employs divine conditions can be dismissed as special pleading.

[@moogleborn3132]

@@cnault3244 you misunderstand me. The thought experiment OP proposed granted divine conditions. I was simply pointing out that there is no way to know what "universal constants" would look like in such a universe.

[@jhill4874]

I would like Mr. Pack to show me which university professors actively push their students to dump their faith.

[@OdinMagnus]

11:30 as a game designer. Yes, yes I can. Also in my games some of the races aren't by evolution, so they don't share things. So am I better than his god?

[@grapeshot]

Yeah this cult leader's corpse was unrecognizable after AronRa got through with him.

[@earlfrancart5687]

thanks to David C Pack i have never flipped off my computer screen so much in one sitting

[@spectreskeptic3493]

Suddenly, I want to stop everything and go re-watch GOT...for the third time.

[@Maryfs1]

I binge watched Paulogia's channel and now my dreams start with "welcome to Paulogia, where a former christian takes a look at the claims of christians."

[@guuspot923]

I get a craving for ice cream every time I hear the 'For the bible tells us so' jingle.

[@Kaylakaze]

I take great exception to adding Battlestar Gallactica to that list. The ending was fantastic.

[@kneelingchampion5941]

Martin Gardner's, The Whys of a Philosophical Scrivener, was a powerful stepping stone in my journey towards agnosticism. And what a resource for the spectrum of practice and belief through history and the world.

[@onedaya_martian1238]

Martin Gardner was amazing. Mentioning his books is a great tribute to his memory and work !!

[@Drudenfusz]

As a storyteller I am capable of worldbuilding all kinds of fancy stuff, and well, if I would have divine power then I would have no issue to do so on a universal scale, and of course I have not to micromanagement everything, I simply can set systems into motion that develop all on their own plenty of variations... basically just like evolution does.

[@theflyingdutchguy9870]

yeah if we together as humanity can think of a better way to create the world. then how much does it mean to say that a god created this universe. i dont think it means a lot. it definately doesnt mean he is all knowing and allpowerfull

[@HarryNicNicholas]

actually, when he talks about the diversity of insects, to me it makes perfect sense they all come form a common ancestor and evolve in parallel. and when i think about a grand designer, it almost makes sense, but then you think, why design so many completely different things when all you want is friends in heaven? what has a wasp got to do with salvation??

[@Futt.Buckerson]

Wait, God's Not Dead (the most powerful movie ever made) isn't a documentary?! Wha- wha- wha- whaaaat?!

[@aralornwolf3140]

It was based on the strawman "atheists know there is a god, they are just angry at him."

[@tabbyheraclitus7835]

I was a member of the cult associated with Pack - Well done with this series, Paulogia.

[@DoctaOsiris]

He's so open minded his brain fell out 🤭

[@KaiHenningsen]

WHY ON EARTH would I ask myself "what is the purpose of human life"? Where do questions like that even come from?

[@utubepunk]

Apologetics remains a house of cards.

[@robg5958]

David is truly an author of confusion. I, like you Paul, was a fundamentalist Christian for most of my adult life and it was only when I started to read books other than the Bible with an open mind that I began my journey away from religion. Reading the Bible with a critical mind also helped me to see that it's just a big book of Bronze Age fairy tales. I have lost count of the number of times people like David deliberately lied to me and went out of their way to deceive me when I was a Christian. They are willing to lie for Jesus.

[@Zift_Ylrhavic_Resfear]

Thanks for the video :)

[@stephengalanis]

In my secular university years, my Calvinism survived and thrived. And I was majoring in philosophy.

[@AquaPeet]

11:00 Paul, did you cut out a part or did he just list plants twice within two seconds?? "Plants, stars, galaxies, plants, animals, humans and the human mind..."

[@alexistoran2181]

How could it sour everything that came before, when all that came before is already so bad on its own merits? On another note, thank you for reminding me of the Pale Blue Dot.

[@Forest_Fifer]

The comment section on the source video is hilarious, and also deeply sad. I'm assuming it's "curated" as there are no dissenting voices.

[@Thezuule1]

That's a very charitable way to put it lol.

[@c.guydubois8270]

Curated.. lol

[@humbleevidenceaccepter7712]

The "source video" was made by dishonest charlatans whose positions cannot withstand critical thought, and so questions are cowardly deleted. aka "curated."

[@Edgarbopp]

This was a excellent series. This guy is the personification of what’s wrong with religion.

[@clharden1]

Paulogia I love your content!

[@cyberfiche]

I love how you remain so calm when reacting to these apologetics videos. It makes me so angry the way these people make such assumptions about what's in my own head and heart. There's no way I could do what you do with how completely losing it.

[@danmcqueen5295]

I just hope I don't automatically think "asshat" whenever I hear the name David from now on.

[@MidlifeCrisis82]

Your videos are great. Question. Are there any analysis videos for chuck Missler or Hal Lindsey? My brother is a born again Christian who firmly believes those two are right in their god beliefs. I try to point out their fallacies but I guess I'm not getting through to him.

[@trolleyfan]

Love how his "could you design" comments on plants and animals could be used *easily* to disprove all those "Noah's Ark" supporters. I wonder if he's noticed this... "What will your mind do with so much undeniable proof?" Use it to point out you apparent don't know what the words "reason," "logic," or "science" actually mean.

[@seraphonica]

If you're willing to sit through this many Pack episodes in good faith... your faith is strong.

[@ElvenTinuviel]

That series ended with not a bang, but a whimper.

[@bloozee]

Got to love your movie knowledge! If I had that god-like power to create I would create evolution... and sit back and watch. I am pretty sure I did actually create the universe.. wasn't even there before I was born. Some really good acid may have helped with the creativity though.

[@scienceexplains302]

If you had that power, wouldn’t you already know what was going to happen? If there was a perfect being “in the beginning” I don’t see why it would create anything, since all of the Cosmos is already perfect

[@bloozee]

@@scienceexplains302 perhaps. But people who know their favourite football team is going to win still go to the game!

[@scienceexplains302]

@@bloozee Even if they have great confidence and evidence that their team will win, they don’t know *how* they will win. To improve the analogy, you would have to say that people would watch the whole game replayed, even tho they remember every play, every walk back to the huddle, and timeout in detail.

[@scienceexplains302]

@@bloozee Come to think of it, even with something like a great movie that we re-watch, it is because we require entertainment or “company” or lack a feeling that watching the movie evokes. The perfect being would need none of that

[@bloozee]

@@scienceexplains302 would have to go back for the musical version.

[@nonyabidnazz7487]

dudes like David destroyed my family.. they're so gullible they just BELIEVE this nonsense and hate me because I don't.. this guy gives me a stomach ache..

[@onedaya_martian1238]

Agreed ! People like him are toxic to those who trust, like someone with cashews handing out their "product" to someone with a peanut allergy and then *selling* them, weekly, on "the cure". There isn't really any implication that both parties are actually nuts ;-)

[@riolufistofmight]

I don't see a link to Segan's quote in the description Paul

[@Paulogia]

Ooops. Fixed. Thank you.

[@user-gk9lg5sp4y]

Does anyone else find it ironic (not to mention telling) that the people most insistent and vociferous about non-believers need to bow to the 'Will of God' are the same people who are supposedly delegated by god the authority to interpret and enforce that will on believers?

[@franciswalsh8416]

Great logic and reasoning. Love your videos!

[@susansaunders249]

He who seeks, finds. He who puts his left foot in, takes his left foot out. He who smelt it, dealt it

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

Yep, I'm still waiting for that proof from ANY deity to prove to me they're there. I'd been praying very hard for a very specific miracle for a long time, and .... nothing. That was what finally killed any deistic crumbs left inside. Any deity that could let ... this happen to me would have no care about anything on this planet, any more than they care about dying children. 😕 Thank you, Paulogia, for all you do. ❤️❤️

[@MG6960]

The beginning actually made me mad. Yeah Sagan never took on the label "atheist" but even a casual reading of his many works and lectures demonstrated that he did not believe in a god or gods. The misquoting of Sagan is just blatant lying and dishonesty. There is no interpretation of his works, no matter how loosely read, could give you the opposite impression. If you need to lie facts to defend your position then what exactly are you defending?

[@christianbech4426]

Its infuriating. I think that if Sagan lived today, he would be far more likely be a declared atheist.

[@charlesloeffler333]

Help! Over the last few years I’ve studied a few of the great religions that have different gods and have been praying to each of them. Now I’m receiving visions of god. How can I tell which one has answered?

[@tfive24]

Last week, I had an urge to listen to a pale blue dot .

[@4dragons632]

I'm not seeing Sagans quote in the description. Am I just blind or is it not there?

[@ChJuHu93]

Being blind as well. Up you go to the top.

[@Paulogia]

got it fixed. thanks.